I still dont understand how he lost

It was an excuse for lazy writing

I don’t remember, frankly. It always makes sense when I rewatch the last two episodes just do that

Wasn’t the whole point of the series a writing exercise? Like the author(s) just tried to figure out how Light will get out of each situation as they went along

i dont really care what the point of the series is. its just trash after L's death

Light should have lost by his own design.
Yet he lost because Mikami fucked up. It becomes unsatisfying.

Law of narrative causality you dumb faggot.

Just a big coincidence made by the author, Light didn't make a mistake but everyone on his side did and everyone against him didn't

Light lost because due to his own hubris. If he had remained as smart and as paranoid as he had like in the beginning he may have out-smarted Near. Light could’ve simply told Mikami to shove a page of the Death Note between his ass cheeks and he would’ve won. Yet for reasons unexplained and beyond understanding, Light did not think of this idea even though he himself held a page in his wristwatch.

>People say DN is a show of smart characters written by dumb suthors.
>Dont understand how Light lost
>Worshipping a literal fag who had 2 slaves with Shinigami eyes, 2 gods and 2 death notes and still loses
>DN fanbase
Fucking pathetic.

Mello kidnapping Takada made Mikami get the real notebook and kill her. Gevanni was tailimg Mikami and then saw the real book. Near didn't know of the notebook Mikami was using being fake. If it wasn't for Mello the last episode would've ended with everyone dying. When Gevanni took the real book he made an exact copy of that book and replaced with the real one.

If it wasn't for Mello Near would've lost.

Light was a retard from the start. He should have taken the Shinigami eye deal, it would have solved 100% of his problems but NOOOO he got all up his own ass about being the new god of a crimeless world.

Speaking of DN, I rewatched the show (until L died, because it goes down the hill afterwards).

I noticed a plothole; drastic change of Light personality after he lost his memories from the Death Note seems unreasonable since he was a (borderline) sociopath to begin with before getting the Death Note and to add to that Misa personalty haven't changed at all.

Another thing is Misa didn't regard Rem death at all (or it could be it happen in later episodes after L died, but I doubt).

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He admitted his crime for no reason, making his own team completely convinced of his guilt instead of keeping them still at least a little bit doubtful about Near's reasoning.
And the worst was his "dramatic gesturing" when he used his last resort, which is his hidden slip in his watch. That part escpacially was completely out of character, as he is normally very stealthy about his actions, escpacially for the kind of situation he was in. The laugh from the anime movie 1 where Light laughs at L's grave is a good example of it. There he didn't do any dumb shit even when almost cornered by L, but instead meticulously waited until he was truly alone before going full crazy maniac laugh (though to be fair it'd be an awkward moment if one of the other guys like Matsuda returned at that moment because they perhaps accidently dropped their car keys and they came to retrieve them, so it wasn't exactly flawless either).

>>Dont understand how Light lost
We do you fucking moron and we say it was lazy writing; Light got cocky and lost.

Maybe you're just mentally handicapped.

I agree. It should’ve ended there

>we say it was lazy writing
>we
Would be lazy righting if he had won when he had always had the upper hand. Fucking idiot.

He was a regular high school student that never had to face his sociopathic side until the death note. The tendencies were there but he had never been in a situation were they would come out.
Even during the personality change Light thinks that maybe he thinks like Kira.

>saying I worship a fag
All I said is that it makes sense upon rewatch, retard. It’s hack writing but it made sense.

>Light lost because due to his own hubris
Again, an excuse for lazy writing

>Light was a retard from the start
Yeah, right
>He should have taken the Shinigami eye deal
He had Misa you idiot

>its just trash after L's death
Based

The mind games is what made DN great.

Same

>The tendencies were there but he had never been in a situation were they would come out.
He cared about people feelings and well beings, even as far as not wanting to risk Misa.

the reason isnt Light got cocky or anything
L was just better, he played fucking 32D chess all over Light's ass by letting him kill him so the two mongrels can pick up the pieces
afterwards and just clean up
Light was already dead 20 episodes before the finale just didnt realize it

How is it hack writing? I only see you retards saying muh lazy writing mu hack but not saying why. What's wrong with the way he lost? Is it because you didn't understand at the first time?

He didn't have an upper hand with L because they were equals with different tools at hand. Nero and Mello didn't seem like his equals and people are probably mad that suddenly Light stepped down to their level instead of doing it the same way as with L

No, you fucking idiot, it wouldn't be lazy writing if Light was still smart and capable as he was against L.

>when he had always had the upper hand
Sounds like you never watched the anime

Retard.

>because I said so!

I wonder how the show would be looked at, if it ended like the Japanese live action movies.
>L is about to test the notebook.
>Rem kills him.
>Light reveals to dying L that he is Kira.
>L dies and Light leaves.
>Then Light is surrounded and L reveals that he used the death note on himself already, making a second attempt on his life, useless. He now has a confession by Light.
>Light loses it and asks Ryuk to kill everyone.
>Ryuk instead writes Lights name in his notebook, making good on his promise.
>Light loses and dies, L wins and dies later.
If the anime ended like that with episode 26 or something, would it be even better received, since most of the hate towards this show comes from the last 13 or so eps.

Explain to me how having 2 notes, 2 slaves with shinigami eyes 2 gods working on your side and a retarded task force playong with your enemy isn't having an upper hand? Jesus christ.

>Light stepped down to their level
No, he was below their level

>Light was still smart and capable as he was against L.
His plan was doing fine until mikami fucked up you dumbfuck

>L reveals that he used the death note on himself already, making a second attempt on his life, useless
Was that a rule? I don't remember it.
Wasn't there a rule were you could change the cause of death.

I talked about Light vs L and you saying he always had the upper hand just shows how stupid you're.

>"We need someone that can perfectly replicate the death note, handwriting and all, and create a fake"
>"That'll take weeks!"
>*beer can cracking open in the background*
>Gevanni: Give me 1 night.

Damn, Near's team was just THAT good

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L had the autistic detective powers and all of international intel that let him deduce everything in the first 4 or so episodes just not the note books. Everything afterwards is just cat and mouse with death gods, magical powers and police. At that point shinigami and police were basically at the same level of usefulness, even including matsuda.

See

Fucking this

>n-no you are stupid!
Light always had the upper hand with all the bullshit that was given to him. All L, Mello and Near had was their heads. If the show had been only Light and his death not and Ryuuk not helping him like he said he wouldn't then the show would be over in 20 episodes or less

The problem is that he is saying that Light stoppes being smart vs Light and Mello. Also

>Ripping pages of a false death note

>All L, Mello and Near had was their heads.
Of course, except for the confidential information, help of the task force, fuck load of money and the insurance that they can't be killed as otherwise Light will give himself out.

>At that point shinigami and police were basically at the same level of usefulness, even including matsuda
Why didn't the police kill the Shinigami like Rem killed L then?

>All L, Mello and Near had was their heads
Yes, you fucking moron and the point is they were able to outsmart him, hence he didn't always had the upperhand you fucking retard. Especially Near and Mello who already know about the Death Note existence.

>comparing humans with gods and humans with gods powers
>a-author is a hack trust me!

Just because you have the upper hand doesn't mean you always win you fucking idiot. Why do retards like you who fail to understand how he lost try to argue?

>Just because you have the upper hand
>Light always had the upper hand
So now you're goalposting you dumb faggot?

>no arguments
I should've known.

>literally pointed out how you goalposting
>have no arguments

Funny how literally no one thought Light would have a spare page in his watch. If he had just told Mikami to wedge a page between his sweaty ass cheeks Light would’ve won

Tell me in s football match if the match is at 11 v 10 who has the advantage? Of course the one with 11 players. Does it mean their victory is guaranteed? Of fucking course not. Compare Light's weapons with L, Mello and Near's weapon and tell me that Light never had the advantage

I think the rule here is that once a person's name is written, no other action taken against him with any death note, works. I'm pretty sure it was in the show too. But if not, it's a good rule to have, and it forces L to give up his life to catch Kira.

>the idiot still think it's just about Light not winning
L and Kira were pretty much even with L being wise, having a lot of resources and the very fact that getting killed would most likely get Kira caught.

Where as Light became cocky idiotic when Near and Mellow came out.

The issue was never Light loss, it was the series no longer had the mind games. Light loss was pathetic and boring.

And whose fault other than Light's was that he had to be compered to human's capabilities? Light disregarded the shinigami eyes which would be the thing that would let him have more information than the enemy. Death note's powers and all of L's backing were balanced pretty well.

Why didn't Raito raito his own name in the note so he could've gone to heaven?

No you are just sad because the fag you worship lost and you are seething because you think he didn't deserve to lose. C O P E

True but he said he wanted to live as long as possible while being a God.

So did Near use the death note on Mikami, forcing him to use the safe notebook, not write down Light, call Light god in front of everyone, and then kill himself? Makes sense, since with ome simple move, Near guaranteed that everyone would live, and set up a situation where Light was forced to confess. I think it was hinted at, but never outright said. If that author had made it clear, then it would have made Near into a much more interesting character, who out thinks Light by using the same dirty keikakus that Light himself loved.

>>L is about to test the notebook.
>>Rem kills him.
>>Light reveals to dying L that he is Kira.
>>L dies and Light leaves.
>>Then Light is surrounded and L reveals that he used the death note on himself already, making a second attempt on his life, useless. He now has a confession by Light.
Nani?! How is that works if L dies?

>Why didn't the police kill the Shinigami
You should know there's only one way to kill a Shinigami...

Whoever use the Death Note don't get to heaven or hell peroid.

>You should know there's only one way to kill a Shinigami...
Don't you know what a rhetorical question is?

I literally said I wouldn't mind Light loss if it still kept the equal mind games, you're just an idiot.

>True but he said he wanted to live as long as possible while being a God.
That doesn't excuse your previous arguments. He put himself in an equal position on his own accord which means that neither of the players had an upper hand. Even considering Mia, who was more of a wild card than a player herself.

>y-youre just and idiot!
Cope
What excuse? Light literally has the upper hand. Since the beginning. Didn't Ryuuk see the cameras in his room for him? Didn't Ryuul tell him about Rayne Penber? Didn't Misa and Mikami have the Shinigami eyes? Didnt he have 2 Death Notes? Didnt Rem fucking kill L? Compare that with what L, Mello and Near had. Anyone with a brain that isn't a Light' semen slurper can see that Light always had the advantage.

>using buzzwords and not fully quoting my sentence which disprove your argument
Yep, you're an idiot.

L was about to test the notebook, when he saw on the monitor that Watari just collapsed. So he pretended to have a heart attack, because he knew that now is the time when Rem writes his name down. He then got a dying confession out of Light. Little did Light know that L already wrote his own name down, and gave himself the maximum time to live (2 weeks or something).

All the things you've said I already pointed out with one sentence. L deduced everything at the very beginning just not the death note and what was attached to it and knew that it had to be something superhuman. After it was discovered it became a game of cat and mouse which Light has rightfully won by using his cards better. I'd argue that Mello and Near had constant upper hand just because they knew about the shinigami since almost the beginning of the game.

>dodging the subject
>no arguments
Pathetic.

What subject?! You claimed I'm just upset about the fact Light didn't win which is false. You moron realize you argue with two anons?

Because L is smarter than Light. Did you not read my football analogy? You having the advantage doesn't mean you win. You can still win a match with 1 man down if you know how to play.

Isn't the whole point of the moment you just posted to show us that deep down, Light was just wimp in the inside?

Oh...yeah that would made far better ending, however L is afraid of death so I don't really see him doing that, maybe if he was truly desperate.

You saying that L losing is lazy writing which is something on the loser side would say, that's just coping. I bet you still don't underatand what happened do you?

>You saying that L losing
>L
The level of stupidity is unbelievable.

>which is something on the loser side would say, that's just coping
How old are you? 5 year old? For the millionth time, I don't mind Light losing, my problem was the way he lost which was bad and lazy writing.

He was equal, he had different tools, they just balanced out. When it comes to having an upper hand it doesn't matter if it's something unknown or something the other player doesn't know about. They played on a scale. L was able to use his cards in a way to find out who Kira might've been and Light used his to keep himself safe. They both had their hidden cards that they needed to use properly. Light even tried to look into L's hand through his father and it backfired greatly which shows how balanced the play was.

>Because L is smarter than Light
And also have a lot more resources and less likely to be killed by him. Your football analogy is retarded and childish.

Wouldn't Rem notice L's lifespan getting chopped before writing his name down?

Meant Light. My bad.

What did I just say? L is smarter than Light. The creator said that the plot needed him to be yhe smartest on the show. Why do you think so? Because if not then Kira wouldn't even have competition.

Didn't the authors want to end Death Note after L died but the Shuiesha forced them to continue because Death Note was extremely popular? This was hinted at in Bakuman.

Pretty much this really. The Mikami and Mello shit was just flavor-text. Gevanni is obviously some fucking supercyborg from the future with a super computer in his brain that let him pull of probably the most absurd bullshit(trust me, in Death Note, that's saying alot) in a single night with time to spare enough for him to return it to Mikami's safe. Gevanni is just that damn good.

>Your football analogy is retarded and childish.
>Can't even understand a simple analogy
The show is just too smart for you and you complain about lazy writing kek.

I guess you won't even read what I wrote. I guess a guy who only eats sweets and almost never leaves his home and has access to all of the police's information and has fuckload of money can just act on his smarts to win against a guy with a magic notebook and a ghost friend

Allow me to correct you. 2 ghost friends 2 slaves with gods eyes and 2 magical books against 1 smart guy with police's information. Seems balanced doesn't it?

2 ghosts and one of which would like to kill him, 2 books, 1 slave (when it comes to fighting L) which is at best as good as Matsuda against a guy with all of police's information, help of a task force, a skilled all around butler and probably billions of dollars on his account. I'd say it balances out pretty well.

>bro money is stronger than gods trust me xD
Still Rem killed L. Misa had the shinigami eyes snd L had 2 magical books to use.

That was Light's character flaw since telling Naomi Misora he's Kira at the very latest, or possibly way earlier.

>The same death note concept and character and etc.
>But written by Naoki Urasawa.
What changes?

And what came of Misa's eyes other than Light almost getting fucked? You seem to think that the magical notebooks and shinigami are overpowered just because they are supernatural. The rules are there for a reason same as the eyes trade having a downside. It's to keep the balance of the cards at hand. Otherwise Light would've just killed L by writing the letter "L" in the notebook and won.

I think light felt that because taking pages out of the DN was his trump card, he didn't want anyone else to know about it at all costs. He didn't normally directly communicate with Mikami, so even if he wanted to, it would also have been difficult to tell him without leaking information.

Why didn't Light -- after beating L -- slowly phase out the detectives for the Kira case and replace them with more loyal subordinates? He could've lived on easy street without having to worry about those fuckers buddin in on stuff, like what actually happened.

Not to mention it'd be easier to micromanage people to do shit for you.

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he lost because it's a shonen series and the bad guy cant win against the power of friendship and courage

Literally overextended. All he had to do was nothing. No one could prove shit. He could casually fuck off if he wanted to for alittle while. But that doesn't make for entertainment and Light was a faggot cunt who anyone with half a brain wanted to see lose anyways.

He was shown to be an egomaniac an had a literal god complex from day 1. How is that lazy writing?

If he had never alluded to it, then yeah, it would be, but that's not the case.

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Bad writing that's how

Same reason Uchiha Madara lost.

The problem with the scenario if you boil it down is that L had no winning outcome as soon as Misa entered the story. Anything he could have done to "win" would have resulted in his death at the hands of Rem. It doesn't matter what other resources he has.

The only exception is if he gave up on the concept of winning with solid evidence, and instead acted on his intuition and did a gamble like he did in the live action movie. But that would have been out of character for how he was depicted in the manga. Ultimately he "won" by having a dead man's switch that contacted the Wammy House after he died, but refusing to gamble isn't exactly a mistake, it's just a character trait. And if he didn't do that, then people would complain that he won by magically unrealistic intuition.

Or to put it another way, as soon as Misa entered the story, Rem was Light's extra life, and it was impossible for Light to lose as long as he didn't piss her off. Under those conditions, you could say L got the only "victory" he could by sacrificing himself to remove Light's extra life so that someone else could take him out.

A lot of ass pulling

oh yeah

KEK, so fucking true.

Near was a 20 year old man when he caught Kira. He's 23 in the one shot where he's catching bootleg Kira (don't think many people read it)

Near wrote Mikami's name in the Death Note and that's why he went full retard in the end

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>He's 23 in the one shot where he's catching bootleg Kira (don't think many people read it)

The one-shot's out already? Last thing I saw for it was the stream.

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The one shot dropped in like 2013. It's the one where a bootleg Kira is killing old people and Near makes him kill himself by saying he's a disgrace to both Kira and L. The Wammy's House one shot that covered L's childhood and teenage years has been out for ages too. A lot of these discussions could be resolved if people would just read the one shots that cleared most of the stuff about the wammy kids and L's money up. But you know, it's just way funnier to make thread after thread with the same topic.

Why didn’t Light just say no?
He’s the one with actual authority, Near was breaking the law following the orders of the President.
All he would have had to do is say no, we’ll discuss it at the station, then say that he needed the toilet before they left. In the stall, write the names that he has now seen written in the fake notebook and bam. He wins.
Even his confession doesn’t make impede this. Just claim that he sees the capture of Kira’s servant as his victory, not Near’s. Pull rank if any accuse him, then say they are rushing to blame him because a deeper investigation would reveal his innocence. In the bureaucratic mess following, sneak to the toilet and win.

He didn't get caught. He got L killed then the show ended.

Wasn't that the live action movie's ending?

>The one shot dropped in like 2013
Fuck I thought you were referring to this new chapter he's making.

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You, stop that bullshit. Only one man can kill that many moves ahead of time, and he didn't even have any pretentions to psuedo-intellectualism.

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Honestly, he just lost because it was his turn to be an idiot. Both him and L had brain farts that gave the other an advantage, but having Mikami bring the entire physical death note instead of just a little piece of paper that he could destroy after writing Near's name, ignoring one of the first things he learnt about the death note, it's just dropping the ball on the last yard. It's even more ironic because, during their last confrontation, before being discovered, he mentions, I don't remember why, that one of the first things that he learnt about the death note was that it works even if you use a little piece of paper, and even if you destroy the paper afterwards. The author didn't know how to make him lose at that point, honestly the death note was so OP at not leaving evidence that you had to be an idiot to get caught. I like the theory that Near wrote Light or Mikami making that mistake, though it has its own share of problems.

>If it wasn't for Mello Near would've lost
and if it wasn't for Mikami taking the entire book with him, Light could have at least kept deniability

a lot more pointless brooding, less goofy stuff, plot ultimately ends up being about solving some mysteries behind the death note that no one asked for

From what I understand he started becoming too obvious without realizing L had students?

The problem is that he kinda went downhill gradually, picking choices that sounded reasonable but in the end made him swing towards his psycho mode. His transformation was made of compromises. Think about it.
>this thing is probably fake, but it wouldn't cost anything to test it, it's just writing a name
>I don't want to kill anyone, but that guy on the TV has a bunch of hostages, maybe no one will miss it
>whoops, it turns out it's real, here it says that it's property of a shinigami, I bet the guy will be pissed when he comes to look for it, better use this time to kill some more people whose deaths I'm sure that they are a net positive for society
>well the shinigami is ok with whatever I do, and I already killed a bunch of people, so I guess let's keep going on with this plan

If all that gets erased from his memories, he reverts to a guy that wouldn't kill anyone, or at least wouldn't admit it openly. By the point he met Misa, he was so deep in shit by having confronted the FBI and L that he wasn't going to care about her as a human being

Near and Mello didn't got enough clues after L's death, because Rem was nice enough to also kill Watari after instructing him to destroy as much data as he could. Though at least they had a headstart of knowing that the weapon was a book in which you had to write a name to kill people, while L was totally on the dark, and just learnt about the shinigami before dying.

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>That scene in the rain with L
>Light trying to tell him something
>L extends his hand next to his ear gesturing he can't listen while smiling
>They go back down the stairs and L wipes Light's feet
>tfw you realize this was his way of pleading to Kira for his life

Fuck Light.

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>ywn get a foot massage by L

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Retard could of instagibbed his way in every confrontation if he just got the fucking Shinigami eyes in the first place.

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He was simply following the moral code his father instilled in him. Light never cared about anyone but himself.

In the manga there are several indications that Near manipulated Mikami completely to the point where he wouldn't even check the fake death note anymore. He probably also used Mello to test his theory of a hidden note.

This. Light consistently got himself into trouble when he relied on his minions to take care of things for him because he gathered people who worshiped him as a god and then expected them to be as cautious and hypercapable as he was.

They outright state that holding a DN breaks people. Morally, Light was an upstanding guy who followed societies values. He was shocked when the DN actually worked and he became a murderer. The first few chapters are about how his attempts to justify his actions to himself spiraled out of control. The whole point of that arc was to show how drastically that power changes a person.

>plan that relies on someone making an unprovoked confession

yeah except for the fact that Light had asked him to tear off 5 pages from his death note and send it to Kiyomi Takada. It's just a plot hole and not some ingenuity on Light's behalf as you like to pretend

Does the death note paper still work if you shape or mold the paper into something else? If you made a box out of the paper does it loses its power if you write on that box

I understood it. It was a cheap loss.

It has been a while but didn't he lose because he opened his mouth before making sure everyone was actually dying?
Like, Near's bullshit plan wouldn't have worked if he decided to wait till they at least showed signs of having a heart attack.

Or what if you dye it brown and doubled sided tape it to the band of a brown banded wrist watch?

Mikami didn't write Light's name in the death note, so as long as they apprehended Mikami and confirmed whose names were written, they would have had their proof.

That's not proof that Light is Kira.
I mean, to them it would totally be proof that they were allies but you couldn't have the guy sent to jail based solely on that.

Maybe if it was america, but the japanese justice system has given the death penalty on pretty shitty evidence before.
You don't get a 99% conviction rate from anything other than corruption or omniscient detectives

IIRC the author explained that Light was a perfectionist (aka an uber-autist) and couldn't cope with the fact that he accidentally murdered that guy the first time he used the Death Note, so he had to come up with that "god of justice" crap to be able to live with himself.

It's not like they were going to take him to court or anything. The guy already rules the world, he can't be dealt with within the framework of the law.

Wasn't Japan still opposing him?
And Ryuk says he is killing him because he doesn't want to wait while he rots in jail so I'm pretty sure they were planning to take him to court or at the very least lock him up somewhere.

>Wasn't Japan still opposing him?
lmao no. Japan was the first country to give in.
>And Ryuk says he is killing him because he doesn't want to wait while he rots in jail
The fuck does he know?

He didn't explain how to kick.

>>The same death note concept and character and etc.
>>But written by Naoki Urasawa.
>What changes?
The ending still sucks.