I forgive him.
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For what? He did nothing wrong.
He's so pure.
Connie:
Levi:
I love him
Lewd ZF
hey remember when titans were creepy ?
He deserves happiness and sex with Levi.
ZF is the patrician Zeke ship. Get with the times, grandpa.
Gotta give it Isayama: his terrible art did a lot for the creepy atmosphere.
What if I like both?
>Imagine being this much of a cuck
I can only laugh at Shitkecucks though
List of Eren's crimes:
>Inflicting massive collateral damages
>Actively intending to genocide the world
>Psychological torture and manipulation on his own father
>Terrorism
>Treason
>Crime against peace
>Insubordination
>Breach of authority
>Libel
>Assault
>Blackmail
>Insurrection
>Usurpation
>Kidnapping
>Jailbreak
>Desertion
>Sowing discord
>Undermining Eldia's national security
I cannot wait for the day where he finally pays for his crimes, would pic related be appropiate?
They don't even know each other.
This did not age well.
Reminder that present Eren is a slave to future Eren
Reminder that Eren will win and there's nothing you can do about it.
God finally some ZL lewds. This took way too long.
For Armin, since he was implying Eren is a slave to Zeke.
Kys, fag. ZE is the patrician Zeke ship.
>Eren wins
Nice meme, all we know is that his "wish" comes true, he can still die at any moment
Don't forget that he raped Historia.
More
LEVI WANNA PLAY MARIO WITH ME
Well, what did he wanted to talk about before it escalated?
Fujos are just too weird. ZL spent an entire month together in the forest. You might amuse there would be tons of doujins by now, but no somehow shipping them is wrong.
No, Historia was an accomplice on all of this and for that she also deserves to die.
>Murder
>Lèse-majesté (he fucked the queen and conceived a bastard)
He should get hanged, drawn and quartered.
What am I looking at?
rough sex with mikasa's cute butt.
?
He is still pretty much right
You have to wait until the next Comiket for doujins. Also beards are not popular in Japan so that might make Zeke doujins fewer.
ZE is fine too, no need to be upset friend.
Kek. AU Zeke when?
Calm down, Louise.
I'd say him achieving his goal counts as winning. And who else has the intention and power to cause the Rumbling?
>freedom to do what he wants
>uses it to hurt mikasa and armin
you're right, it didn't age well. he actually is a slave to the attack titan's future successors.
Have all the ZPfags moved on to ZF? This proves that they are just Zekefags wanting their selfinsert to get laid
Zeke even smokes and read books like a good yaoi trope
Mike,levi and connie don't
I don't.
Fuck that pathetic sod.
I agree, next comiket for sure. There are bound to be at least one or two.
>proceeds to post an image of a bigger cuck in his franchise
>Nothing personnel, Zeke
He's a slave to himself. Brainlets like you wouldn't understand.
This thread is by far the worst /snk/ of this day and it isn't even 100 replies so far. Guess this time all burgers are awake.
Oh right, Connie still exists too.
ok fag, very interesting
more like reddit tourists like yourself just need to stop coming here.
You sure?
Be honest. Did you previously think he was a slave to Zeke and/or Grisha and/or Kruger and/or the Attack Titan?
I can't believe I'm defending Armong but he's not even wrong here. Eren is a slave to himself and to Zeke, because Zeke ultimately controls lolimir. Plus, since Isayama loves to shill his blonde twink, we may as well assume that he's already been in the paths area and seen the future himself.
Is it the power of the Attack Titan to constantly alter their timeline by influencing their predecessors so that they can win the fight against the king? If so, then that explains Kruger's saying "if you don't, we are doomed to repeat the same mistakes over again." Maybe it would also clear up what kind of long dream Eren woke up from in chapter 1. He was dreaming of an alternate timeline. The timeline the story is in now is the final timeline, with Eren being the last Attack Titan.
>new chapter that turns the entire story on its head
>/snk/ only knows how to ship
I expected it to take a lot longer, not just a single day.
The problem with Zeke/Levi is that while Zeke has the big body and glasses of a seme he's portraited as way too fragile to be a top, and could readlly only be a bottom to a really dominant and mentally manipulative seme. While Levi is dominant and it could make up for his small stature he's just not sadistic enough and doesn't understand Zeke's motivations enough for their interactions to be satisfactory. Add to that that frame of Zeke running away from the manlet and their pairing becomes just comedic at most.
I could see uke Zeke working with Eren, Kruger, the janitor, and seme Zeke with weaker characters like Reiner.
No, there's only one timeline. It's linear timetravel.
>ifw half of them are of shota Zeke
>future successors
He's the last attack Titan. It's been implied that his very own will from the future was what influenced the attack titan holders of the past to seek freedom.
Besides, if you actually think the power of titan shifting or that titans will remain after this conflict, you'd be wrong. The 2000 year long pact is drawing to a close
>cherrypicking on a thread full of actual discussion
>posting it on another thread full of fujos and Shitke apologists
I love them
Only slightly to Kruger--mainly just a slave to himself and his autistic idea of freedom.
But that's why ZL is great, Zeke is bigger and thought he was the biggest chad till a manlet put him on his place. They have good chemistry too
Hugs with Yumiru...
delet this please
Yeah, but it's always the dumblr whales and fujos. If you want actual discussion, you should try to go on threads in about 15 hours from now
>all that shota Armin fanart that came out once the first episode aired
You're next.
I love how reddit and tumblr are in absolute seething mode calling Eren a slave, monster or some other shit. Isayama went out of his way to say Eren isn't a slave anymore and they just won't listen while still screaming he's being controlled or that he isn't the true Eren.
You know it's going to happen, I don't like it either but it's bound to when we have the baby Zeke scenes in the anime.
YArmong is destined to be!
Zeke will heal Levi through paths because he'll be the only one left who can stop Eren. The final battle will be Eren jobbing to Levi.
>He's the last attack Titan
headcanon.
But Eren is a slave. To freedom. Nobody is ever truly free. Even in death we can't control what happens to our bodies.
I'm not really sold on manlet putting Zeke on his place after the ending of their lest encounter.
But now that I think about it I suppose they could work well as a switching pair.
stay there
That's a good and wholesome post.
If you look at their conversations Zeke is playing with him, while Levi is the physically strong one. It fits. You just have to be more creative than the typical Seme forces the Uke to have sex plot.
>Zeke will heal Levi
Fucks sake he will, wont he.
The worst part are the fags who say that you have to leave if you don't like the shipping in /snk/. It's all just so tiresome.
Ackerman paths are different
Nobody is healing Manlet
Eren has been consistent throughout the entire series. He wants to end all titans. He’s been manipulating the timeline from the beginning probably. Who knows how many loops he’s gone through. He’s trying to break the loop.
What if there's an Eren like figure controlling all of our destinies right now? I don't mean God or satan, just someone stuck in a place going back and forth in time to modify events to their liking.
So if the ideal that's driving you is negative you're a slave to it? Are you less of a slave if you're driven by something good that's still innate to you and that you don't have control over?
I mean you're absolutely right but it's not like doujin artist care about staying 100% in character when it comes to porn. They'd find a way.
>Nobody is ever truly free
So you mean Levi could be a reluctant power bottom via Zeke's manipulation? Interesting.
why are you booing him, he is right
I’d ask them to manipulate me to get a GF.
Why the fuck are we taking Grisha's assessment about the Attack Titan's powers seriously. All we know is he started getting fragmented memories from someone in the future, which he deduced was his son, concerning the rumbling. So he starts running his fat mouth about how the attack titan's power is peering into the future successor's memories, when that shit probably only happened because Eren was brought into the path dimension thanks to Zeke's retarded plan.
Tl, dr: the only attack titan to ever send fragments of his memories/thoughts to his predecessors is Eren, once when he touched Zeke in order to influence Grisha, and the next probably when he touches Ymir in the next chapter and his thoughts/wants/memories get scattered across the paths timeline (hence the Kruger whose memories are these moment)
Rico when?
>tfw you can only trust in homosexual chinese fan doodles
>Eren is a slave to Eren
Is this a new level of cope?
This, Kenny himself sait it.
That's what I'm saying. But I also think they would switch. Zeke has Daddy issues and Levi is the perfect cure.
He’s talking to Eren & Zeke. There’s no one else around. The brothers are in a place where time & space intersect. There’s no one else as the Attack Titan, maybe Ymir Fritz the daughter of Historia Fritz.
You can be a slave to yourself though. Even more so if we are taking into account the Ego/superEgo/Id as parallels for the past and future Erens.
What if Eren IS a slave to someone that we haven't been introduced to yet?
Wtf I love ZekeLevi & LeviZeke now
His daughter controls everyone.
>cope
>this is what erenwhales believe
Christ, just fuck off back to Ieddit if you're going to shit these threads up with your whining.
AoT HS is the timeline where Eren succeeds. Prove me wrong.
Is he daughter Ymir?
Will Historia send her 2000 years in the past when she's born?
Justify Historia seeing memories without being a shifter. So far she is the only one to break this rule, others royals weren't shown to do it.
Isayama literally said in an interview that Eren isn't a slave. Anything you say is you own opinion not Isayama's.
>his daughter
With who? Armong?
Do you think Kenny is laughing his ass off and watching this shit like the Superbowl while looking up at it?
Maybe. Or the daughter is named Krista and will inherit the nine titans from Eren, creating another loop.
Can two males reproduce through PATHS?
Isayama is a slave to his self-insertion as Eren.
He said he isn't a slave to the story anymore, which could be taken several ways.
She ate Annie and it'll be revealed she did next chapter.
Fucking boomers.
EREN FUCKED HISTORIA'S PRETTY PINK PRINCESS PUSSY
eren already nut in her by that point and his cum is actually able to transfer some minor titanization like spinal fluid
she took so long to get pregnant because most ovaries cannot survive shifter sperm hulking out on them
It's because her memories were erased by the FT, so when she touched the FT it was undone.
They can have children without the need of paths. Just need Lolimir to say the word and one of them can grow a baby pouch.
>princess
>this is how much EHfags speedread
Nigger did Eren tp you 4 years back?
Kissu Hisu hands
>PRINCESS
*queen
There is a connection between royal blood as shown in the manga.
When she touched Eren in the cave she got her memories of Frieda back.
When she killed her father she saw his memories.
It's a special ability of royal blood, I guess.
>Eren sees a future he can never be a part of
>Hurts his friends in an attempt to make it easier on them
Saying goodbye hurts...
>mpreg
Despair is beckoning to you,
Stand up against the world,
DON’T CARE
There's no need for mercy here!
When your body perishes,
does your wish disappear as well?
HELL NO
It’s the beginning of a Golden Wind
Okay shipping aside can someone explain to me what is up with Historia if Eren isn't the father?
You don't even need to explain Farmer-kun. I just can't understand what people think the purpose of her treament is since the timeskip or where her character is going if it doesn't involve a relationship with Eren, and I say this as someone who used to ship him with Annie and doesn't care much for Erehisu.
Yeah but that doesn't explain Rod.
Not everyone gets a happy ending. Isayama said that himself. Not everyone dies a heroic or tragic death, some just fade into irrelevancy.
Annie's getting the same treatment too. Remember that.
>This kills the Fujos/YH/EMfags
It doesn't even matter who fucked Historia. A farmer or Eren.
The Queen of Eldia got bent over and fucked in a barn.
The proud, noble, saintly Queen with her crown and white flowing robes got penetrated like a common slut
Shhh user, you already got it right but people will tell you that she's irrelevant.
YArmong's love burns bright in a cold doomed Eldia.
If Eren isn't the father her being in on his scheme and agreeing to it is still the only rational explanation for why she's offscreen and the pregnancy plotline. It could be they're psrtners in a platonic sense and she genuinely got knocked up by the farmer as part of the plan.
In any case poor farmer boy got used and dumped, no chance love is legit there.
Zekebros what will we do when Eren stops Ymir? I don't think we can recover from this.
I still think Eren will replace Ymir in the paths. Maybe that's what he has to do to be able to activate the Rumbling.
I haven't seen the OVAs yet, where's a good place to watch them?
What does freedom mean to Eren?
He's willing to die for it.
He's willing to risk his friends lives.
He's willing to kill innocent children.
He's willing to assassinate the leaders of his country.
He's willing to start a civil war.
He's willing to betray his friends and his brother.
He's willing to manipulate his father into killing the Reiss family.
This chapter aged well
>retarded EHwhale didn't read the part where Isayama said Eren wasn't speaking from his own experience here
>they're psrtners in a platonic sense and she genuinely got knocked up by the farmer as part of the plan
Do you want Eren to be a cuck that badly, that would just be pathetic, strange and disregard what she would want.
Did you miss Kenny's speech speedreader-kun?
Rod Reiss also saw memories when he touched Eren's back
>Isayama said
Proofs? Ah, sorry, you don't have them.
>been posted countless times itt
>n-no proof
back to Ieddit newfag
>e-everyone a slave
>dies like a bitch
I'm sure he wouldn't say that if he actually won.
>the user complaining about shipping is nowhere to be seen
Yes. It's funny how it changes by the month.
No way that the pregnancy is a part of any plan.
Post it then, and not that retarded tumblr page.
>not that retarded tumblr page
That's the source, you coping fuck. That tumblrina is one of the few that can be trusted.
>newfag
lol
so, no proofs like always?
If Eren already saw his kid in the future, then the pregnancy would be a neccesary part of his plan
Just how important is she to him? He hadn't seen the future by that point so it's not like he needed her for his master keikaku.
>"m-maybe if I paint everything as crimes, it will show t-them!"
>ignoring the fact Eren knew the best path and course of action to free his people
Spoke like a true w*rriorfujo/armongwhale, my friend
He didn’t and never would have as it would be a major spoiler. Plus this chapter btfo’ed “Eren is being influenced by x” into oblivion.
That’s right, I didn’t read that, maybe you should post saying.
Considering how you AntiEH faggots were hallucinating a definitive refutation of EH because Mikasa showed up for a couple pages, I imagine that source is just as imaginary.
>EHwhales in the 5 stages of grief
Your "proofs" is a some deleted tweet from a fujo who asked Isayama a question (believe her!)
>that ass
I can't believe the farmer (dykemir) fucked this with his/her feminine penis.
*post the source
they are literally crimes though, are you retarded?
>retards dont know how to use the archive
That’s not proof, I could make dozens of such “interviews” if I desired too. There’s no direct citation either way, because such interview never existed in the first place.
so did your mother one night after she had a few too many. that's why you're posting here now.
>making shit up as usual
It was on dumblr and part of the official questionnaires. Cope with it, EHtranny.
>last panel being Eren holding baby Eren is a real possibility now that time travel has been introduced
Detective CHADmin is the only one who can figure out Eren's motivations. How can other detectives even compete?
National upheaval and self defense genocide has never been this heartwarming. But seriously fuck the rest of the world, long live New Eldia
If Eren is a slave to future Eren so future Eren is also a slave to another Eren where do you draw the line with this? If he's a slave to freedom and we know his wish becomes true how can he still be a slave? It really feels like people just aren't happy with Eren shitting on their fav characters so they try to insult him in any way they can.
Armin has always been right. Eren IS a slave to a bastard. Either Historia or his own daughter (both born out of wedlock)
>Justify Historia seeing memories without being a shifter
Why would we need to do that? No one cares about Shitstoria. She just needs to die asap so that YH can go on.
>>princess
>>this is how much EHfags speedread
imagine being too autistic to appreciate alliteration
Detective Hange > Defective Armin
Is this really all going to boil down to Eren being a waifufag?
This is the fate of the entire god damn world. A history stretching back 2000 years is on the line here. Surely it can't all be decided based off of a boy falling in love with a girl. The stakes are too high for it to be that simple.
>I-it was on Tumblr so it has to be legit!!
>and part of the official questionnaires.
Then prove it, lol. You can't because the only source is a some deleted tweet.
The only 2 central characters we haven't seen use 3DM gear post-timeskip are Eren and Historia. Historia obviously because of the pregnancy but the parallel still exists and it's strong.
Not them but I saw it too. Not sure where though, probably in these threads.
Armong is going to be busy eating Pieck. You should invest in Derective Hange coin.
youtube.com
Erehisu theme for S4.
It was part of Eren's vision. It may or may not serve a purpose beyond that, but at this point it's safe to say it was planned.
user, everyone is a slave to something, Kenny said it and everyone here agrees with him. Eren isn't a superhuman, he is also addicted to the feeling of freedom.
Remember what Kruger said?
That was a message from future Eren to past Eren
Rod didn't saw anything
This is why everyone hates EHfags.
The simplest and most logical explanation is he started catching feelings for Historia during the 2 month timeskip when the orphanage was created. "Handholding sessions" were also an offscreen occurrence as confirmed by Jean.
I love Gabi and Annie, they hate degenerates, that makes them great. If you like them, post art.
Yeah, chapter 121 not only sunk EH delusions, it also reincarnated EM as the second ship to maybe become canon after YH
Proof? Rod was the one who directed Historia to touch Eren, which means that it was a known fact to him that people of royal blood can get memories in this way.
>or his own daughter (both born out of wedlock)
Stop posting here Isayama.
>not even with armin
Based
If you want to hate on EH that's fine but don't drag EM and YH down with you.
Man this board is going to fucking crash when the baby daddy is revealed
Which got copypasted from that deleted twit? Yeah, whatever.
>The simplest and most logical explanation is he started catching feelings for Historia during the 2 month timeskip when the orphanage was created. "Handholding sessions" were also an offscreen occurrence as confirmed by Jean.
sEE
It was during a fanmeeting/fansign event. People posted accounts from it on twitter, but there is no valid proof.
Also it was same event where Isayama said Erwin's mother would appear in the story. You really shouldn't take him too seriously. He's a troll.
> >not even with armin
What's going to happen to Zeke?
I'm somewhat expecting that the thing he couldn't tell anyone about is his relationship/attraction to the queen. What else could it be?
Holy...
I think some emfags are going to kill themselves in a few month.
? I'm not dragging anything down, only you do
Just because it was deleted doesn't mean it was fake. Have any proof it was deleted? Furthermore, Eren finally realizing that love is a thing doesn't mean he fucked Historia.
The smarter ones have already jumped ship
>It was part of Eren's vision.
>sauce: my ass
t. Dykemir lesbowhale
>farmer's bun is in Historia's oven
We’re not here to fact-check YOUR delusions and lies, back up your bullshit or fuck off sperg.
Imagine stuffing her in there and turning it on haha
Lmao.
trips of truth
Nope, I'm just a normal rational guy.
You know where she got that bun.
Would the Wall Titans become worthless in a couple of decades?
>says the ehwhale that is so delusion it thinks that that comment somehow confirms EH
dilate
It was not a part of any official interview or whatever. Why I should believe to a random people in the internet?
fivesome with timeskip eren
>Eren has reactions ONLY when she is around
EMdumblrinas need to be purged for good
What type of fun shenanigans would AU eren get up to with his incel half brother?
you mean Ereh
>imagine still being an EM/YHfag in 2019
The battered housewives of the SnK fanbase amirite?
What's Eren's endgame and what is he willing to sacrifice to achieve it?
I feel sorry for them. Being stuck in a Titan body unable to move or to think for 100 years. Someone should put them out of their misery.
Eren needs a Therapist.
Ok, dumblrina
He actually has more sad reactions like when Grisha is going to kill the Reiss
It’s fake because there is no valid source to confirm that such claim was made and Isayama would never reveal anything that is yet to be revealed (i.e Eren’s motivation), since Eren being influenced by anyone would be a major spoiler.
Learn to read
>being this obsessed
Do you think his child is part of "that scenery" he was talking about? If so, then it's part of his vision. If not, then it's either not his child or not important to him.
HOL UP
Do the majority of Eldians live in Paradis, Rebellio or just scattered across the world?
>being a slave to big pharma
He's also looking kinda sad at armin in this chapter, then there's pic related
which mommy do you wanna milk? for me, its armom and carla
Yes
user they've been around for 2,000 years.
They're fucking everywhere. Paradis just has a lot of them.
what a dumb post
>Do you think his child is part of "that scenery" he was talking about?
Nope
I'm pretty sure I could take the dyel to the right in a fight
>waifu is this important to him
>entire romance is off-screen
Lazy writing.
I don't mind admitting I'm a guy with a Tumblr account.
The majority of Eldians live on the mainland. Marley probably has the most.
>>Actively intending to genocide the world
Wanting to do a crime is not illegal. Doing it is illegal.
>>Crime against peace
So attacking Marley? Because Marley declared war on Paradis as he did it so it's not a crime. Only crime is killing civilians and that only if that is considered a war crime in that universe(we know pretending to surrender is so it's not that far fetched)
>imagine rejecting SNRIs in 2k19
That's part of why I think he's the dad and there may be feelings involved too, among several other reasons. Hiding the circumstances of the pregnancy and by extension Historia for a year just to confirm what drunk, biaised and unaware MPs was exactly what happened with Yelena swapped for Eren would be the biggest waste of time the manga's ever indulged in, especially when the introduction of the wine completely destroyed the dramatic potential of that development by making the pregnancy superfluous if it happened to protect Historia/Zeke. Zeke himself being anti-baby was yet another red flag, and even on a meta level, if the point of this pregnancy was to write Historia out then Isayama couldn't have handled it in a worse way by connecting to the MC this whole arc revolves around and whose thoughts and activities this last year are still a complete mystery to the readers.
Mrs Arlert would probably have very cute breasts. Do you have more fan art of her?
>Wanting to do a crime is not illegal. Doing it is illegal.
Attempting to do something illegal is still often illegal.
The other nations are keeping eldians just in case marley fucks up and one of their titan's dies, they have the potential to get a titan in a random baby. Marley's concentration camp is actually one of the least brutal
filter these words to vastly improve your snk experience:
fat, whale, pisstoria, shitren, yumiru
How does Eren pull off long hair so well?
what chapter was this?
You can only pull it off with abs
Mostly in Marley and around the world. Paradis only has a population around 800k
>Hitchkini
Neat
>Paradis only has a population around 800k
SOURCE
Then you're admitting the child isn't important to him, because that vision of the future is what's been driving him all this time.
Three of those are used by your fellow EH shippers.
>Petra
>Oluo imitating Manlet
Cute
...
And then people try to argue that EMfags wouldn't somehow fucking destroy the threads and every other part the fanbase on a daily basis if Mikasa was the one with the pregnancy storyline.
>Louise using snapchat filters on her icon.
Cute :3
If 112 didn't kill them, at this point nothing will.
>ch 121 sinks EH
>2 days later we get the anime studio supporting YH in two different official canon arts
posting the real translation
Eren really needs to not only do the rumbling but do the opposite of what Zeke wanted to do.
121 shows Hisu has bigger hands than Eren.
>law is real
Imagine being this fucking retarded. Just because something is "illegal" doesn't inherently mean it is "wrong" nor does it bar someone from action, you brainlets. You handicap yourselves to morality and law (which is declared via a piece of paper with ink and the belief in said law.
Only this level of mental illness can be found in the "west".
Don't forget
>Levi
>hongoloid
Did you notice, Eren's memory only triggered when he touched his lips to Historia. That means kissing is better for memory then handholding.
Its Krista referanced from YH EM Doujin book 2013
Mikasa being secretly pregnant was actually a theory
TRUE.
>In the fall of Wall Maria, it is said that 10,000 individuals lost their lives to the Titans, and two years later approximately 250,000 individuals participated in the operation to reclaim Wall Maria, with less than 200 individuals surviving the mission. This number of people participating in the operation is said to have been 20% of humanity's population that had survived the fall.[1] With this information, it can be said that the total population of humanity within the Walls was approximately 1,260,000 individuals before the fall, 1,250,000 immediately afterward, and slightly less than 1,000,200 after the operation to reclaim Wall Maria.
Floch looks like such a fuccboi, not that Eren is much better
Jean actually got Mikasa pregnant? Based
What is wrong with the Fritz? Why are they all like this?
what did she mean by this?
According to Google Translate:
>Armin: I don't understand Eren recently.
>Floch: Is it "I don't know Ellen ~"? Ellen has always acted for the Eldia people !! You just don't try to understand Ellen. Don't blame it for Ellen. ** Please support Ellen, everyone, RT, like.
>Louise: I support you!
>Eren: Nice, many RT..
>Reiner: Excuse me from outside the FF. I'm looking for children who are missing. If you are protecting or witnessing these children, please let me know by foot non-lip DM. #SpreadingHope #ThankYou
Thankfully this story doesn't play in modern times.
You just checkmated yourself, EHfag.
It means that Eren never kissed Historia after 4 years ago.
Fuck, you are right
Pls, Tell me you're falseflagging.
finally, we can all accept the true endgame
Wait a god damn fucking second, jesus christ this is fucking retarded.
Why in the fuck didn't Eren tell Grisha he just had to titanize one of the Reiss and he would be able to save everyone?
I feel like things are looking up for Zeke, he finally settled his issues with his dad and now the true villain finally revealed himself.
So is genocide not wrong? What are you getting at?
OH MY GOD EREH LOVES MIKUSA CONFIRMED
Because Grisha is a pussy and should not be trusted
EH never live with after graduation.Histria has got along with the farmer.
He can't. It's a closed causal loop.
Accept it, EHfart. this EHfag already did and he was blessed by 000.
That she wants to fuck manlet like any normal human being would
I am .
I can confirm. Just chucked out all my EH fanart and have become an EMchad
*tips fedora
Download YH art also.
>Same question
>Different scene
I'm so tired of this bros. Sure this time shenanigan is shit but are we really infested with literal brainlets?
Nah, I'm FarmerHisu. Fuck Yumiru.
So how come no one else has addressed the fact that Eren can’t actually command Ymir? It seems he can only do so if the royal he touches is a mindless titan, otherwise he can only free any Royal from King Kucks will, so they’re the ones who still give commands.
It appears that if he wants to activate the rumbling, he’ll have to use a royal who agrees with him. Hmmmmmm
That is because you don't have an argument. Not my fault, bro. Just have a think before memeing cringe and you'll understand. I'll give you 'till tomorrow to think about it.
Or more likely, Dina just told Ymir to do whatever her son wanted
oh god, you are a treasure...
based. the more crimes the better
But she's the queen so Eren actually isn't a criminal, just acting undercover under the queen's orders.
>n-no u
Wow.
>Reads chapter 121
>Sees EM canon
>Sees EHfags struggling to cope on these threads
Nice
I can't believe Eren went back in time to rape lolimir and then became the first emperor of Eldia to take over the world. Someone needs to stop this devil.
Yhfag, your ship died a long time ago, it's time to stop shitposting.
what the fuck is this manga anymore.
>chapter literally has Grisha saying “his son and daughter”
Sister zoned EMfags
Kruger saw his family being killed infront of him, had titanized thousands of his fellow eldians. He could infiltrate the Walls himself but the only thing he could do in the end was transferring the AT to Grisha.
Grisha got over Faye's death, his wife and friends were titanized because of his son treason. He could kill the Reiss family long ago but had put this in the very end of his lifespan. He even broke in the end.
Eren saw his mother eaten, dozens and hundreds of his comrades died for him. He could gave up in the titan's stomach, after Sannes death, in the cave and while serumbowl peak. But he already broke the fate of his predecessors by stepping the Devil's path.
I think every AT suffered the same scenario (being unable to save someone, being disappointed by themselves), but the eternal will of the Devil (which Eren represents right now) kept them moving forward.
shit
bleach
time travel shenanigans
>Just because something is "illegal" doesn't inherently mean it is "wrong" nor does it bar someone from action
So are you arguing for abolishing laws? Do you really want to be robbed, raped and murdered that badly?
They're not EMfags, they're yh.
Nobody cares what Grisha thinks though, certainly not Eren. And Eren went out of the way to watch the scarf scene again.
Cope
Let's say that an entire country tried to kill you for a crime you didn't commit.
If you somehow gained the power to fight back against them, you would be well within your right to kill them all, even though they have 10 million lives and you are only 1 life. You have the right to fight back, rather than laying down and dying.
Maybe that's a difference in morality between the east and the west, but that's how I feel as a westerner.
In Texas for example, if a police officer abuses his power and threatens you with a gun, it is legal for you to kill them. That's because we respect individual rights, the right to fight back. Every single person has the right to defend their own life.
This
>story goes to shit
>shipfags are too obsessed over who wins and loses to care
based
He looked back at his parents at well. Does that mean he has romantic feelings for them too?
A masterpiece. If it manages to copy from pic related.
Wait, can Eren see his own future?
He looked at armong
I think he's gay.
Well no shit he got the epiphany as he was on death's door
Farmer face reveal when
Cope
I believe that you can only communicate with Attack titans one generation behind.
So Eren can send memories to Grisha, and Grisha can send memories to Kruger.....etc.
However, Eren saw his father's memories from the past, and in those memories he saw his own memories from the future. So in an indirect way he saw his own future
Based and LPpilled
My point is that it doesn't need to be "illegal" or otherwise. It's just an action. Whether you think it is wrong is up to you, but state your reasons to why it is. Obviously, you can just say "just cus" and I won't even be mad because you can do that and that is your choice. My point is, that it being wrong because of law is trapping yourself under someone elses opinion via paperwork. It is mindless and creates mental complex you see in the west today. People will literally behave a certain way because of "law". Even though it isn't necessarily the law that binds them but the implications to "breaking" them. There is no real law, just belief or fear. The main component is the physical/financial ramifications that go with the law.
So when arguing about crimes, you are doing it under the guise of a criteria that is very unnatural - civilised - which isn't necessarily a good thing.
>dude fear lmao
I would prefer it as it's how I live mostly anyway. I taught myself to drive with just me and my car, no insurance, tax or license. Not bragging, but I am just saying. Also, by your own admission in your fear tactics you prove how law is bullshit and arguing with that as the centre piece is stupid because already you went passed law and got to the physical threats of what *could* happen without "laws". But even with laws these things happen, yes?
When you drive a car, it's just a car. It's not magic and doesn't "have" to have insurance or a license. It is just a physical object that can be driven. The law and insurance is added on for obvious reasons, but to argue under that mentality is blinding.
So does it mean Grisha purposely left Rod alive cause Eren told him so? I mean he could have asked his father to kill him but if he did Eren couldn’t have inherited from the rigidification power right? But now I think about it during that special scenery Eren could have asked him to keep one of the children alive and use it to activate directly the powers of the FT but he didn’t... this is just so weird and it just doesn’t make sense at all.
KILLER OF THOUSANDS
Farmer is YH
That doesn't make any sense. Why would YHfags want Farmer
Let's say this wasn't a general statement, and Grisha actually knew Zeke's goal thanks to receiving Eren's memory of their conversation. If Grisha says Zeke's wish won't come true, that suggests he saw something that proved future Eldian children would be born after "that scenery". Perhaps the final panel baby.
But what if that's Historia's child? Zeke's command to "take away the ability to reproduce" might not kill a baby in utero or prevent it from being born. Zeke's soft genocide plan could still succeed, making Historia's baby the last Eldian to be born in the world.
Wow, you are very retarded
so isnt the plan just to use the child to undo zekes mass sterilisation, the kid will just wish for ymir to reverse it or somfin?
Qrd how did eren hurt mikasa
The farmer was chosen by Ymir.
I think that is more in your court, given your response. It's thinking you aren't accustomed to, apparently.
To cut is short, you have to figure out the premise to most things. You are arguing within framework post premise.
I want the next chapter to be the timelines falling apart and all of the main cast fading in and out of history as Ymir tries to delete Eren from ever having ever existed.
The thing is the line about "take away the ability to reproduce" is a bad translation, a more accurate one would be "take away the ability to give birth"
Why Eren want so much to protect Hisu's child ?
You really don't know their arguments? If farmer is the father and Historia looked sad at him it means she didn't want to have sex with a man and that she will always be a lesbian in love with Ymir. For YHfags that's a victory.
Take the Gabipill
Ymir eyebrow reveal when?
>If you somehow gained the power to fight back against them, you would be well within your right to kill them all, even though they have 10 million lives and you are only 1 life.
That's a dumb hypothetical because even in this story not everyone in Marley wants to kill everyone on Paradis. A full rumbling does not discriminate between innocent or guilty, Eldian or non Eldian, which is why even someone like Grisha finds the idea unspeakably horrifying.
>In Texas for example, if a police officer abuses his power and threatens you with a gun, it is legal for you to kill them.
Lol. See how that works out in practice.
How can one non-romance manga have so much shipping?
I swear if Eren ends up being the father it will cause the shitstorm of the century.
Based
The child needs to be a shifter, same if he wants to use Historia for that.
That's why i want it to happen.
People are going to talk about it for years.
autism
This is so dumb kek. Yay miserable pimped out Hisu.
>mental illness
If it's between his people and the other people, Eren chooses his own people. Numbers don't matter, because he has the right to fight, and the right to live. Eren is in the right.
Maybe the alternative manga covers were from a different timeline.
Could you link an explanation of the different phrases? Or explain it if you can. I haven't seen anyone else mention this.
Did you not see the chick pregnant under mysterious circumstances
>AU where reinforcements arrive at Utgard before Ymir reveals herself
The success of the anime adaptation gave open entrance to all kind of fandom, shippers, and fujoshi mainly. Even if the story turned into a more darker tone, they never left.
JEANBROS WHERE YOU AT
>mysterious circumstances
nothing is mysterious. We were told exactly how it happened
The ones who prefer Historia as a miserable rape victim rather than bisexual or straight never actually liked her to begin with. All they care about is cute lesbians and muh representation.
Because they're actually EMfags
Yelena convinced her to get pregnant to prolong Zeke's life?
Nobody is going to dispute that people should be able to defend their lives and their right to exist, but most people aren't going to accept that murder on such a massive scale is justified or necessary as self defense. Even among the people of Paradis the only ones who would agree with Eren are the ones who are no better than Marley themselves.
they just want to see the world burn
I kinda miss that artstyle
Gothstoria>>>>>>gothkasa
Nah.
Is there a pic of Mikasa in a gothic maid outfit? I want to compare.
Facts
1. Eren and Mikasa knowing each other longer and better. She did everything for him and he tried to protect her always.
2. almost kiss scene and backride
3. Mikasa is in love with Eren, so why should Isayama break her heart?
4. Farmer is the father and it’s confirmed.
5. Historia is a lesbian, WIT and Isayama confirmed it. When she was with Ymir she never saw Eren. Not a little bit.
6. Eren said I always hated you to Mikasa is a lie. You can see how dead his expression in the window scene. His heart is broken because he told her such a lie. But he did to protect her. The railroad scene is the evidence. He cares so much for her
7. Eren and Mikasa have many scenes together
8. the scarf is very important and don’t forget what Eren told to Mikasa. He will wrap the scarf again and again. It’s a promise
he wasnt surprised because he knew she was gonna die
>nah
I’ll take your nonexistent argument as a sign that you agree with me
There was an argument that the farmer was controlled by Ymir through PATHS, although it's not certain
I said that and got laughed at.
>EH is dead
Can EMfags/YHfags even read? this chapter basically confirmed EH.
1st Eren conversation with Falco got confirmed it was Eren himself and not influenced by anybody and it didn't even make sense in the first place because Eren was the only one in similar situation to Falco, ffs Falco literally repeated Eren words to Reiner in the same
chapter , Isayama was straight up telling you that Eren sees himself in Falco.
2nd Eren reaction to Zeke telling Ymir to sterilize the Eldians is not normal, the sterilization could easily be reversed, the only thing that can make that reaction is normal is if there's an immediate effect to the sterilization plan that cannot be reversed, the only thing that i can think of is Historia's baby death. Why would Eren care so much about a baby he forced her to have and she didn't want?
this is bait right please tell me this is a fake post and not copied from some cesspool
She is goth in the AU
That's not a gothic maid though.
nah
dumping
Who fucking cares, you faggot?
Gothlolita>>>>>>>>>>Goth
Always
you for one
You know why falseflagger
I doubt he can see all the future, only glimpses.
Not as bad as you. Just shut the fuck up, you worthless cunt.
True.
WHIRRRRRRRRR NO OTOUTO LET ME OUT I NEED MY RUMBLING
I wonder if these are foreshadowing for the main story, notice how Historia is very interested in Eren
Thinking is killing a bunch of people is not illegal, stocking weapons with the intent of killing people is.
>She likes to watch ants
That's a very sociopathic behavior right there
I do too.
Link to new chapter?
Look at this cute Gabi
Who even cares about Mike? He's not a cute waifu.
This is what I can't understand about the rumble, if the Titans in the wall are suppose to kill everyone outside of the country, why the fuck are the facing inward?
You can only keep the same thing creepy for so long.
And this is all that I have
Is there another one? please post it
Mike's waifu cared about him
So we can end theories of Eren's family. Also muh family theme faggots got btfo
>those ears
>cute
>Domstoria would never get fucked like a common whore, she’s in charge
Because Eren is going to do a big mistake activating it.
Detective Hange for Hisu.
Because Eren is a megacuck for the farmer I guess
>titans can't turn
really user
Got em
>Can EMfags/YHfags even read? this chapter basically confirmed EH.
Die EHfag. Eren has not had any physical contact -- certainly no kissing -- in the last 4 years.
>1. Eren and Mikasa knowing each other longer and better. She did everything for him and he tried to protect her always.
If she really knew him then she should have anticipated Eren’s betrayal. And she thought he would never kill children, still he did: she doesn’t truly know him anymore. Even her childhood memories when he saved her were actually corrupted and she was afraid of him, it means what it means Eren has always been that way but she never accepted him truly she thought he was a “good person” lol.
>2. almost kiss scene and backride
One sided kiss and the backride is the most important part lol, actually Grisha called her my daughter in the last chapter: it means what it means they are brother and sister.
>3. Mikasa is in love with Eren, so why should Isayama break her heart?
Her heart is already broken anyway and Isayama already warned us that he wanted to destroy this relationship to give Mikasa some development. It’s way better for her, for once she will actually truly live for herself and not for Ereh.
>4. Farmer is the father and it’s confirmed.
It has never been confirmed from the interested and the fact Isayama is keeping her POV for the very ending even though he’s constantly teasing regarding her situation and relation w Eren (cf. chap 119 and the most recent one) should give you some clues she has things to hide.
I will reply to the rest in my next message.
I'm just saying what if the rumble is not a weapon but a fail safe to make sure no Eldian ever conquers the world again?
Remember that time when people thought Nanaba was a guy and shipped him with Krista?
>how did this boring primate end up as a popular student at school
Poor Bort
They would be a pretty couple.
pedofags out
she blushed !! Ishiyama foreshadowed the breeding ?
Yeah that's why Eren is the dad.
>Nanaba had Mike's favorite scent
;_;
Maybe, who knows at this point, he's asspulling so much since RTS.
You fucking retard, he doesn't get memories everytime he touches Historia he repeatedly touched Historia in uprising and didn't remember anything.
It would be very aesthetic. I still prefer the straight version. Since S1 I always wanted Krista to end up with a man.
Nope, Isayama said the farmer is the father, both in the manga and in the interview during the exhibition. He was actually wondering why he was asked the question when he already said farmer impregnated Historia.
FUCK IGNORE THAT
are you dumb? everyone knows extreme pacifists tend to have functional weapons of mass destruction, just because. And more if they hate their race and only wants their destruction. There is no reason to be suspicious about those weapons at all!!!
>Eren has not had any physical contact
Why are you lying ?
dear god. Eren and historia used (and sometimes they are still use) to be shipped literally to everyone in the cast eccept each other until uprising. There are even characters with more ships tham them in manga?
I-Is this true EHbros. Fuck this shit, If Yamyam sank the EH boat, I'm now an EMCHAD
It's okay to prefer that she gets with a man, but I prefer it with Nanaba being female because it's more in line with the canon. But, to answer your question even though I wasn't who you were talking to, yes, I remember. Here's a cute girl girl one.
You forgot mass murder and being a chad.
I had planned on it. It's gross.
>isayama won't make an alternative timeline where everyone lives
I'd say Krista, Eren and Levi are the three that were shipped with lots of characters during S1.
People shipped EH back then too. It was crack ship as fuck, but it was still a thing because of the OVA where Eren went waifufag with Krista
I'd like to think the AU will contrast the actual story
>SnK ends with EMA dissolving and EH
>AU ends with EMA reaffirming their friendship
>both have daddy issues
kek
>5. Historia is a lesbian, WIT and Isayama confirmed it. When she was with Ymir she never saw Eren. Not a little bit.
This is the dumbest thing i’ve ever heard, Wit never confirmed her to be a lesbian, either Isayama did, she actually looks very straight in the Highschool AU where she’s apparently in love for Eren and blushing because “he’s protecting her” , I will have to add Isayama himself confirmed himself that the AU is an alternative “if our characters were in a modern environment”: it doesn’t change the personalities or what Isayama thinks
about his characters. And she’s pregnant which is the straightest thing ever. And your “not a single time” looks like deny to me knowing all the scenes they shared and how Eren is the only one who actually appreciated Historia and cared about her when no one truly did.
>6. Eren said I always hated you to Mikasa is a lie. You can see how dead his expression in the window scene. His heart is broken because he told her such a lie. But he did to protect her. The railroad scene is the evidence. He cares so much for her
His heart is actually broken for many things, Mikasa’s situation is certainly not his only concern, to think such thing is actually terrible when Eren himself said he cares about all his friends and wants them ALL to be safe and happy, which brings us to Historia’s situation and how she obviously doesn’t appreciate Farmer-kun.
But yes he definitely cares about Mikasa too.
>7. Eren and Mikasa have many scenes together.
Eren and Historia too? And they actually have concrete interactions and there is an actual complicity for example you can see them joking together. Which is not the case with Mikasa especially when he calls her “a pain in the butt”
Last part in the next one
8. the scarf is very important and don’t forget what Eren told to Mikasa. He will wrap the scarf again and again. It’s a promise
Yes and this is just a scarf, a cloth not a wedding ring. And I personally like the way she freed herself from this scarf it means she’s becoming more and more independent even though you seem to appreciate “slavekasa”. That’s why a brother could do to her sister yk protect her etc...
No you were right
No u
>Rivaille
God, I hated this
>It was crack ship as fuck
only if you're a narutard who doesn't know what shonen are like
Zeke is a good man, he was alone all this time and no moral compass or emotional support like Eren. He had to make his own choices and deal with its consequences, despite all the hardships, he still remained true to himself until he met his little brother, just then, his heart began to change.
Zeke and Eren are best bros and all I want from these events is for them to reconcile and hug each other. The world can burn for all I care.
Why you lie in the internet?
It's like Sasuke once again. By making Eren cooler and edgier every other character looks like shit. Grisha from really cool character with a story and strong motivation became a fucking loser who can't do shit without his god son of time helping him
>both our posts start with "No you"
Is this paths, AMchad? (I almostp osted the image you did too) ...Oh right I'm supposed to be posting Armin's mom.
Can someone please explain how Eren hurt Mikasa
How will Emfags and yhtards recover ?
Mrs Arlert is cute, clever and probably funny and kind. Armin sucks. Mikasa sucks. Putting them together is worse.
>Levi Rivaille
still the funniest thing of early SnK.
chapter 112
easily the biggest shitstorm ever
>Mikasa sucks.
Mm
How the fuck was EH obvious back then. Outside of the OVA, Eren and Krista literally didn't a single line of dialogue together until Uprising.
Only Manlet can compete with them
KINO.
Do you think time travel ghost Eren was part of original mist ending or no?
Dumb.
>Eren told Hisu that he hated Krista
Doesn't the OVA among other things contradict this?
Lazy writing of a romance would be a display of shallow physical attraction, like panels of characters blushing at each other. Or stating it outright, without ever showing any justification for why these two characters fell for each other rather than any of the other hot guys/girls around them.
But the foundation of Eren and Historia's relationship (romantic or otherwise) was shown during the uprising arc. She saved him from being an apathetic faggot when his sense of purpose was at its lowest ebb. You don't go through something like the cave with someone and not form some kind of bond after. If it developed into a romance during the timeskip, we already have all the necessary clues to understand why it did.
>Complete lie, why are yhfags and emfags literally lying ?
>that comic
Shit taste my dude. Although it's true Mikasa sucks. Armin's dick.
It's destined to happen
Gay
They should have shot Armin.
Bother someone else with your shipping nonsense.
I'm not lying, EMbro.
Who was in charge of this ova ?
since mr and mrs arlert have birthdays but no names, what should we name them?
Then give us the source.
You should call her Mrs Arlert out of respect.
>wanna grow my hair out like Eren's
>know it'll look bad
>mfw not cool enough for long hair
It's in Japanese
You literally started it by commenting on my fuck up sweetie. Keep sethig
>Erwinfag still mad that manlet killed Erwin
That's pretty much how I feel. I can take all the evil mastermind shit, but the thing that hit hardest was exactly that. I want Zeke to save his bro and have the best ending they can have, I don't care about the ship flinging with EH or EM or whatever. I want a good bro ending. Though I'm sure I'll be disappointed
Degenerate shipper, you can't even finish your post properly.
I'm not any of those things.
>implying I didn't leave it like that on purpose
S E T H I G O P
>EHfags
I'm moonfag, now bring it
Don't lose hope for uncle Zeke.
How funny that you don't complain at all the other EH posts
You didn't. You're just dumb.
The shitposting is real lmao
>he doesn't know the sethig meme
>he's this sethig over nothing
Okay I'm not giving you any more Mrs. Arlert since you're a fag.
The anons posting EH aren't talking to me about their stupid shipping, so I have no reason to complain.
>EHcucks are incel permavirgins and kooks who follow Jordan Peterson
>YHbros are good allies who follow RationalWiki and ContraPoints
EH is plot.
Eren is a slave to his future vision.
>RationalWiki and ContraPoints
Who
Why can you ignore EH but you had to comment on AM?
>I'm not giving you any more Mrs. Arlert
I don't think you have much more anyway.
EH is a now officially dead crackship that got raped by the plot
Goddess
Because AM is a crackship like EM.
EH is not.
Because the original post, , was aimed at me.
So you had to insult AM because it's a crackship? keep seething erwinfag
I do but you can't have it, FAG.
...Eh, fuck it. Here you go.
>crackship
It has more basis than EH.
I have that one. I edited out Armin to make it better.
AHEM.
Historia is a shit character. That is all.
>user tells you to ignore it
>instead you go on a rant about how much you hate Armin and AM
lol
I think Isayama did already had time travel planned way ahead with the "see you later Eren" dream. The line of Zeke about Eren not knowing all the future make belive the Mist type of ending is likely to happen. Eren is acting over a vision of the future he interpreted as positive for his objective, most likely the wall titans waking up, but on the line of that type of ending, the protagonist belief for salvation ends in tragedy.
I think you have a problem EHfag.
I didn't rant.
Based
I don't ship, I'm not an EHfag.
Finally
>raped by the plot
Just like Historia was raped by the farmer under threat from Eren to kill the orphans.
You're rather defensive of EH and get very offended of Armin so I'm inclined to believe otherwise, since a lot of EHfags hate him for 'getting in the way'. But whatever, I don't realyl care. You should get help though because being this mad over a fictional character is a very large sign of mental illness, like CWC tier.
Based YHbro. Give us Christa back Isayama! Yumikuri is best.
>You're rather defensive of EH
I'm not.
>very offended of Armin
He's crap and I hate him.
What's CWC?
Just read the chapter looks like the rumbling is gonna be much worse than we can even imagine.
>CWC
Chad Wild Clay. You literally never heard of him? Do you live under a fucking rock
>what's CWC
>he's crap and i hate him so im going to cut him out of photos
newfaggotry and mental illness, what a horrible combination
>what's CWC
Who armongCHAD here?
I can feel my stomach churning at this image
>What's CWC?
Further proof Erenwhales are from Ieddit
>this low effort falseflagging
he didn't hate her you speedreaders, he didn't like her personality
So now you're falseflagging? You went out of your way to find that on tumblr. This is how obsessed you are. Seek help pedophile.
Not canon
This image made me physically recoil from my screen. 10/10, would cringe again.
...
What/Who is it? Why is it surprising I don't know?
>peak aot at this point
>>What's CWC?
>Further proof Erenwhales are from Ieddit
kill yourself retarded tumblrite
That isn't an answer.
God damn it.
based AMchad thread
>Chad Wild Clay
nah, he said he hated krista
only one of those is from the ova though
will armong ever be right? lmao
One the other hand eren is far more well written and interesting than sucksuke. Also i think this chapter made grisha more human in a different way. It showed us how fragile is the human will when it have to come into doing unforgivable act like killing an entire family (until that moment grisha killed only kruger, and this while being uncontious) so while he became weaker as person, he became also relatable and credible as human (and also he had still the balls to continue, while he could just kill frieda and than disappear, he decided to continue his massacre. He just need someone convincing him that it was the right choice)
It's Chris-Chan, but he's not Yea Forums-related (more like Yea Forums, Yea Forums, or ye old Yea Forums). Normalfags latched on to him ages ago, so I don't know why anyone's pretending recognizing his name makes you an oldfag.
He was always about to do the same thing just with softer words perhaps.
They insulted his freedom.
Eren takes from others when attacked.
Its' probably all her plan
>sterilization plan that cannot be reversed
Well he is dead, so it's hard to reverse it, if he can only use Zeke there
Eren is a slave to his own history
Eren was dying in the real world when they entered the paths, not dead. Zeke says as much. If Isayama did his research, there is/was quite a long window to revive Eren:
>Physiology of death by decapitation
>Decapitation is quickly fatal to humans and most animals. Unconsciousness occurs within 10 seconds without circulating oxygenated blood (brain ischemia). Cell death and irreversible brain damage occurs after 3–6 minutes with no oxygen, due to excitotoxicity.
Well, she's a bastard child grown up in a farm, and her mother probably was a whore as well.
But I don't think Eren would ever mind that if he's the father. Carla used to flirt with men too according to Keith.