Ok hear me out >Time in the AoT universe works as in the Block Universe Theory. That means, past, present and future happen simultaneously. Think of it like a book: everything is already written, so the future "already happened", so to speak, which means it cannot be changed >The grandfather paradox cannot happen, then, cause the past has already incorporated the reality that someone has "traveled" to the past, which means, Eren, when he influenced Grisha, became part of the past. Having that clear: >Somehow, Eren accesses to Founder Ymir's memories and witness the moment she came in contact with the "origin of all matter", guided by the "Devil of All Earth", he also witness all of AoT history >He decides then to take the role of the "Devil of All Earth", showing Ymir the way of coming in contact with the "origin of all matter". >Eren pushes the past inheritors of the Attack Titan to "move forward to freedom", whatever that means in each circumstances. >Eren convinces Ymir not to infertilize all Eldians showing her the future, and convinces her to follow his plan >The rumbling is activated, and the world's armies alliance is crushed From now on I'll be rather vague on what I think will happen >Somehow, Eren and Ymir close the gate between the Titan Realm and the physical world >The paths are cut, it isn't possible to transfer memories nor Titan flesh and bones anymore. >Eren let himself to be killed by Reiner, making him the Helos of the new era without Titans. >Because the world's allied forged have been crushed, Paradis has time to develop with the help of Hizuru >Now that the power of Titans is no more, Eldians are kicked from Marley and mass migrate to Paradis (that or they are assassinated) >Last panel is someone hugging Historia's child saying "you're free"
Some minor details: >Krista was Ymir's original name, she went by the name of Ymir when she built the Eldian Empire >Ymir (or Krista) was originally a slave with no freedom at all.
One more thing: Eren shows the future to child Eren in the first episode
Kevin Watson
>>Time in the AoT universe works as in the Block Universe Theory. That means, past, present and future happen simultaneously. Think of it like a book: everything is already written, so the future "already happened", so to speak, which means it cannot be changed Or, as I like to call it "A big ball of wibbly wobbly timey wimey stuff."
since the "Save Mikasa and Armin" speech from Grisha happened after he saw "the scenery" then than means it's confirmed that AM will survive the series, right?
Is Isayama trying too hard? Why the fuck act like that and scare Zeke?
Christopher Gutierrez
I want to impregnate her hands
Jayden Smith
what the fuck happened to SnK? I stopped reading before they got to the basement and now there's nazi and timetravel shit, did the hack writer finally decide to imitate muv luv even more?
Eren knows Zeke feels bad for Grisha now and thought that showing him that memory would bring back some resentment
Austin Perry
We're going to see that scene next chapter and Grisha is going to say some plot point that we haven't seen in the previous flashbacks of Eren eating Grisha.
>did the hack writer finally decide to imitate muv luv even more? He probably had all of this planned when he started writing so saying "even more" ain't that accurate.
More like imitating Game of Thrones theory that Bren can time travel and become Bren the builder or "the founder". We all know that Isayama is a westaboo
He's probably a closeted theater faggot in the AU too. A cute faggot though
Justin Cook
Former EHbro here. Now that EH has been sunk, I've been contemplating which ship to join next. Will reveal my decision sometime today so stay tuned.
Eli Mitchell
Are her eyes closed?
Tyler Bennett
>Literal self inserter
William Bell
Eren would become the new janitor just to make Zeke suffer more.
Camden Hill
Did you skip chapter 1 retard?
Camden Lewis
Who's hand is bigger between Eren and Hisu.
Leo Rogers
>he also witness all of AoT history I'm really waiting for this to happen since the festival. also WHT might have helped in giving some contexts to the history events bc the tyburs r known to have been keeping things secret. they might've hid some more.
Adrian Lee
Yes, because that represents being a slave like all of the characters with closed eyes in the cover.
Tyler Wood
You're going to confuse people with that book example
>no more comfy ZE >I act super evil and muh keikaku Anyone else disappointed? 120 and 121 Eren feel like a fucking different character
Aiden Gray
I wanted to see that since the scene doesn't make much sense if Grisha wanted Eren stopped after getting out of the cave
Oliver Fisher
>Chadner More like cuckner.
Easton Miller
sounds like you got filtered
Kayden Ramirez
Eren was always an edgy evil character, he was just faking being normal before.
Brody Hill
Spoilers: He fucked neither
Adam Price
Lolimir doujin when
Jordan Nguyen
Why is Armin wearing a cheerleader outfit?
Joshua Cox
Did you actually think Eren agreed with Zeke's plan when it was drawn clear he was using Zeke?
Caleb Gomez
Yaaaaasssss what a cute handholding
Brody Reed
t.Eren
Brandon Rodriguez
Reiner craves only Eren's path
Hunter Myers
Well to be fair he looked kind of bad when Zeke cried
Mason Cox
They look the same size despite Eren being significantly bigger and taller.
Eren has Trump hands confirmed
Jack Foster
What an edgelord.
Joseph Turner
Wasting trips on >
Robert Lewis
Watch Eren call her Krista and her eyes will open
Ethan Cox
>one genocider >one ally of the genocider >yass Trying too hard
Christopher Adams
>Saving your race from genocide is evil >Letting yourself get wiped out like Zeke wants is good brainlets don't digest what they read and just judge by the faces they make?
I don't know if I have the patience to sit through a month of posts about how Eren is evil and Zeke and Grisha are correct about this being keikaku doori.
If she has Carla/Eren eyebrows, then the Ymir baby meme will be likely be correct
James James
He didn't warn Grisha about it, retard.
Jason Miller
Kek'd. This template is so versatile
Lucas Long
Erehh please, just a quick one. *unzips dick* Mnnghghh I'm so hard... Aha ahhhhh you're my girl-bitch. Ohhhhhhhhhhh, what about my daddy. Just listen to me, I'm telling you, he's a perfect daddy... But you're not my daddy... you're my slut. You could say that. What I'm saying is, this bitch needs a little help. I'm a good slave, so let me do my thing and let my slutty bitch lover, you know, fuck you from behind, oh hooooo... (gasps and sounds for a few second) It should do him no good, but not so bad. You can do your boy that much better. I'm sure you could. (inhales and laughs) Yessss, that's right, fuck your mouth like that, fuck it hard. Mmm, god yes.
>120 >Zeke: FUCK GRISHA! >Eren: NO, OTOSAN WAS GOOD >121 >Eren: STOP BEING A BITCH, GRISHA >Zeke: AAAAH I LOVE YOU OTOSAN Are Yaeger bros the most entertaining memes?
>Grandpa Yaeger >race traitor cuck who failed his two children >Grisha Yaeger >limp wrist cuck who failed his two sons >Zeke Yaeger >incel race traitor cuck >Eren Yaeger >BASED AS FUCK where did it all go so right? yaeger DNA is cuck dna, how did Eren get so based?
Isayama is a hack. He is the same kind of hack as Anno, he uses smoke and mirrors to impress brainlets and make them think he wrote something 3deep5u. The truth is that the bootstrap paradox completely breaks the thematic consistency of the story and makes the whole thing pointless, but since his fucktarded fans can barely understand the concept, they just go "oh I don't understand this so it must be deep and smart" and bam, another cult of personality begins for yet another hack writer.
Luke Williams
It's recessive allele
Ryan Lee
>Annie >Literally just a Blonde Mikasa >Good character
Benjamin Gutierrez
Carla didn’t want him to join the SC and probably wanted him to marry mankasa
He was made when Grisha hadn't gone soft from living in peace.
Juan Peterson
>Blonde Mikasa Why would you insult best girl Annie like that?
Levi White
Eren reminds me Kazuki from The Empty Box and Zeroth Maria. He went nuclear for his waifu too. But Eren's waifu is Freedom.
Nolan Rogers
This Carla ships EM. Historia will never get her mother in laws support
Ryder Butler
>no ZL doujin in the forest >only yaoi pair I like and it happens to have little material
Mason White
I want to not have children with Zeke
Anthony Morris
>Eren rejected both of her wishes.
Xavier Davis
So Mikasa ended being Grisha best kid.
Tyler Perez
>Zeke says he will never abandon Eren no matter what >Grisha: i rabu you Zeke >REEEEEE YMIR STOP EREN FROM HAVING SEX BECAUSE MY DADDY TOLD ME Don't know what to feel about this. It basically confirms what Eren said about Zeke in this chapter.
Carter Foster
It really cheapens Grisha's character and by extension Eren's, but i guess easily impressionable retards are loving this
Brayden Cook
Reminder that Eren did nothing wrong, amd that every decision he made, even if you think of it as selfish, was the only one he could chose to truly protect Eldia from true genocide
The fact that anyone got to fuck hisu makes me tremble with rage
Josiah Brown
Probably the one he failed the least
Jason Lopez
And this is the answer why Eren let his Mother die
Ethan Lewis
Stupid selfinserter
Michael Thompson
I hate it because everything is literally Eren's fault since he probably told Kruger to present Dina to Grisha so Zeke was created
Levi Jenkins
He helped convinced Levi to save Armin over Erwin
Henry Rivera
I want to have intercourse without reproductive reasons with Zeke
Isaiah Taylor
>mindslave >best kid
Nolan Wright
The story isn't finished yet.
Jace Jackson
>Used by GD >Used by KXsaver >Used by Eren >"Used" by Grisha Is he really 11/10?
Levi Thomas
Naruto's father supported Sakura at the end of manga...
Jonathan Flores
>15 years old vs an adult Sorry but manlet killed Erwin, don't blame the kids
Kayden Flores
It just means Zeke was always a little manchild. He never loved Eren himself and just wanted someone from his "family" to understand him.
Henry Gonzalez
Zeke's character is a fucking joke.
Owen Ross
manlet would’ve given Erwin the serum immediately if Eren hadn’t interfered
Jack Nelson
A hot joke
Camden Perry
But the damage is already done, I defended Isayama a lot in the past, but this is bad, this mada me realize that he's willing to sacrifice the writing for the sake of shock value, I'm still hoping is not the case tho
Jordan Cox
Manlet killed Erwing because his ёбырь asked him to duh.
Chase Cruz
>wanting her son to marry her daughter What a degenerate
Luis Cox
Average in the world of snk
Dominic Perez
Armin is his friend, and i cant imagine how Erwin would be useful now, if anything he would be another strong enemy for Eren
Justin King
>Grisha turns into a bitch >Zeke now literally used by his two daddy's Are Erwin, Kruger and Eren the only chads in this manga? Maybe Floch too if he ends up killing Pieck.
>grisha has his crisis of faith >rod is already running So Grisha didn't necessarily spare Rod deliberately. I've been wondering about Grisha's "is this okay" and "everyone except the father" lines and the implication Eren (3/10 wits) planned it all out. At face value, it sounds as though Eren gave him specific instructions and thus masterminded everything Grisha did that day. But isn't it equally likely Grisha only saw himself killing the Reiss family in Eren's memories of his memories? After it happened, Grisha decided that this was Eren's plan rather than something Eren merely witnessed as a fait accompli.
The bootstrap paradox fits with the themes of the story and it's a counter to Eren's ideology of "moving forward towards freedom".
As Isayama said long ago in an interview, Eren is a "slave to the story", with fits in the context of a self sustainable universe in which everything happens cause it has to happen and thus past or future cannot be changed. No matter how Eren tries to change the future outcome, he can't. It's like a story that has already been written. That's why he's actually a slave.
Maybe Eren wants to break from this paradox, and if that's the case it would fit perfectly with his ideology and the theme of his character: moving towards freedom.
You are just a retard who doesn't stop to think that, and judging by the way you talk about AoT fans you honestly look like a contrarian.
The man is zeke no matter how hard you guys shitpost. The kid could be eren or the next attack titan
Cooper Perry
>did the hack writer finally decide to imitate muv luv even more? harry potter, game of thrones
Mason Kelly
>As Isayama said long ago in an interview, Eren is a "slave to the story", with fits in the context of a self sustainable universe in which everything happens cause it has to happen and thus past or future cannot be changed. No matter how Eren tries to change the future outcome, he can't. It's like a story that has already been written. That's why he's actually a slave. Isayama said Eren stopped being a slave to the story after reaching the ocean, and that he's now a character that "pulls the story alongside."
Jaxson Sanchez
We've seen what Eren directly and intentionally influenced rretard
Funny because the only people I see complaining about it are literal brainlets and ESLs who can't understand it
Ethan Allen
is there going to be someone to not allow that ?
James Collins
>Reiner >worked hard and suffered to get to where he is now >even trough failure he gets back up and keeps fighting >Eren >given everything in life, even godlike powers trough minimal effort >when in danger always first to be saved how is Eren the better protag again?
>A crying Grisha hugs Zeke while telling him what he wants to hear the most (that Grisha is sorry and loves him) >A crying Grisha hugs Eren while telling him what he wants to hear the most (that he is free) Grisha/Eren final panel confirmed.
because reiner isn't a protagonist, and even served as an antagonist early on. he was the protagonist for like 10 chapters, maybe even less.
Ryan Lewis
kids love angry and edgy characters
Gabriel Clark
ATTACK CULO ATTACK CULO
Angel Moore
LH will notice those eyebrows
Benjamin Bennett
It's been a long road, getting from there to here, it's been a long time, but my time is finally near. And I can feel the change in the wind right now, nothing's in my way. And they're not gonna hold me down no more, no they're not gonna hold me down
No, you are the retard. Eren's willful choices are the driving force of the causality loop, and those choices are supposedly informed by a search for freedom. Willfully driving a causality loop is inconsistent with Eren's desire for freedom. Eren is not some kind of tragic slave to fate in this case, because he IS fate, his charatcer just becomes inconsistent.
Cooper Cook
...
Samuel Morales
Reminder that manlet, Hange, Armin, Mikasa, Jean, Floch, Connie and Sasha all kissed that hand too
Hunter Jenkins
Pack it up. It's over, EHbros.
Christopher Anderson
Eren gave himself his powers
Carter James
ATAQUE EN CULO
Ryder Gutierrez
>someone saved my shitty transparent Makes me feel warm inside
Cameron Powell
>me like Reiner me hate Eren Back to Yea Forums, Reiner and Eren were great
>gets back up and keeps fighting Begs Eren to kill him multiple times
Elijah Fisher
Like manlet?
Austin Turner
>Eren fabricated the memory of Grisha embracing Zeke to ease Zeke's troubled mind >Eren will fabricate the memory of him embracing his child since he'll never be able to meet his child
Hudson Smith
Now that we're at the endgame can we all agree the royalty arc was the worst?
Christian Nguyen
Not the fake memory shit again
Eli Gray
t. Isayama And yes.
Matthew Flores
>Eren will fabricate the memory of him embracing his child since he'll never be able to meet his child THIS
Leo Hill
You can't fit post-ocean in just 25 episodes without cutting.
oh, you thought they weren't gonna cut anything? you think marley arc won't be shortened to three episodes?
Jackson Evans
yes
Ian Jackson
We don't know if Eren can control the flow of information the way Zeke and Grisha believe he can. But even if he could warn Grisha, that likely would break the causal chain which lead to Eren being able to send that information back in the first place. We have no idea what effect Carla surviving the fall would have on Eren and Grisha's actions. Eren can't change the past in a closed time loop scenario. Carla has to die in Shiganshina because she already died there in Eren's past.
Tyler Martin
>Tell Zeke to stop(kill) him
Joshua Allen
yet here he is, still fighting only after always being outnumbered and criticaly damaged
How do people not read these 2 past chapters and not think that EM is at least very likely to happen? The scarf is the motif around the EM love.
So kino.
Sebastian Young
They're obviously gonna cut stuff
Carter Collins
You actually thought that whichever studio makes S4 will spend the first 5 episodes without any manlet in them?
Josiah Kelly
>eren gives himself up to his son since his 13 years are up >eren's son with historia's blood goes back to that moment at the end of this month's chapter >tells ymir to stop
Because Mikasa's entire character arc is about growing apart from Eren.
Cameron Edwards
Not him but you're a retad.
Eren can't see the future(except that one time he saw some scene through Grisha's memory.). By moving forward he creates it. because it already happened thanks to the future and past being connected through the Paths. There is literally nothing anyone can do to change it. And unlike the reader they aren't looking at it through a metaphysical level.
Ryder Robinson
>Levi >potential laughinganimegirl.jpg
Adam Perry
yes after being given powers without earning them, letting his comrades die and justifying all his actions by muh born into this world autism
Michael Roberts
You know why >Q: Which character reflects yourself? >I initially thought perhaps Armin, but lately, I’d say it’s maybe Eren after all. Initially, I believed this type of character was necessary for the story, so I wrote him in, but actually, with him came something of a feeling that he was part of an inner me that I didn’t really want to see.
she gets sent back in time through PATHs because the world/eldia is doomed in every time loop we will see this loop be broken and Krista will be born in a beautiful world
Carter Collins
>He fell for the retard panic caused by some 3rd party nobody in an off sourced animation company. Araki is still doing S4
Jaxon Peterson
>being given powers without earning them Literally Reiner.
Tyler Gomez
Like Zero Escape 3, the parents sent the baby to the past
Evan Allen
We unironically can't be sure if what we're seeing is real. Eren is incredibly unreliable right now.
Hunter Lee
>Literally had a farewell party
Landon Taylor
I just didn't want anyone to reply with: >WIT >doing season 4
Lincoln Diaz
Eren doesn't need to see the future you tremendous fucktard, as soon as he starts causing past events that he already lived through, the realization of driving a causality loop is impossible to miss, well, unless he's as much of a braindead fucking mongoloid as yourself.
Nathan Long
I imagine it a hobbit.Most small guys likes pettit girl.
Nathaniel Gomez
>enlisted in the army and saw combat as a child >good enough to be considered one of the candidates to inherit a titan, which only 7 of all marlean eldians can achieve >didnt earn them >inb4 marcel recommended him to the command he was still a candidate to inherit even if Porco was considered a better choice
You don't understand Reiner and Eren's conflict. Reiner was made like that because of his circumstances, Eren was manipulated by a future Eren changed by the circumstances and threat to Paradis to the point he had to accept his parents, Mikasa's parents and the Reiss family's death. He accepted being a devil while Reiner would be praised like a hero by genociding Paradis I think Eren's situation is more fucked up
Oliver Martinez
Reptilian
Luke Cook
>showing off their wedding rings Cute!
Isaiah Long
>Zeke Fulfilling his potential right now. He just participated in what was probably the final battle of the story, made the best catch in the most Xtreme ball game ever, and now he gets a big showdown with Eren. What more did you want? >Levi Can't argue with this one. >Grisha. Dead guys don't have potential.
If you think WIT studio is doing S4 you are delusional. They didn't retweet the Season 4 announcement like they always did in the past.
Henry Johnson
>even if Porco was considered a better choice t. Porco
Asher Evans
Isayama a cute! Kaji-kun a cute!
Michael Hughes
Eren's wilful choices are moving the plot forward, however, future is already written so it cannot be changed. Those two statements are not contradictory.
Eren's intention is not to create a loop, cause as you say that's inconsistent with his character. Rather, he wants to move the plot to the outcome he wants.
That's my take on it but idk since I don't fucking know what Isayama is thinking, like pretty much everyone in this thread.
>you will never get back the comfy season 1/2 aesthetic
Josiah Hernandez
>He thinks Eren has time to ponder the metaphysical or that anyone in that world has even heard of a casuality loop He's just moving forward dumbass. There's nothing inconsistent about it.
Tyler Green
Think. Even if I 95% don't believe isayama would push a happy all good end nor make Eren live happily without dying young, but what will the story be like if Eren does partially cancel the 13 years curse?
That way Eren can protect Paradis' future himself with FT the rest of his life, and just need to be aware not letting others eat and steal their titan power: Armin and Historia would be safe from the fate of dying young or even being devoured, if Eren can also somehow stop the succession tradition. He can even have Historia become a shifter (maybe eat Annie?) now and protect Eldia with her without forcing her a tragic life. Actually becoming a shifter without 13 years curse can even benefits Historia, as she'll get that super recovery speed, and if she wants to produce children herself there's smaller risks of dying from giving birth.
All they need to do now will be get rid of Zeke, Reiner and the other Marleyaen shifters and beware of Gabi, the rest would be easy. Well guess Eren and Historia would be like Emperor and Empress of the new Eldian Empire with that anyway. Sounds dumb.
Dominic Cooper
>Jean looks so much like Mikasa's dad What does this mean
Jackson King
>it appears eren has revived for one final mission... a mission to retake the planet for Eldia
Bet you my left nut you were one of the people who thought Zeke was controlling Eren and then after getting btfo you started to think that the Jeager bros had a super secret plan to save the world together before Zeke came out as a cuck.
Lucas Evans
Between the flood of new characters and the uncomfortable political/historical imagery, I really think they're going to cut some of the Marley arc. RBA's past will be one episode. The lead-up to GR2.0 will be one episode. Eren's scenes will be left intact, but Gabi and Falco will be introduced with just enough screen time to establish their relationship and roles in the Warrior program, as well as Falco's involvement in Eren's plan.
If the attack titan can change the past and future then how can he even lose? Why did eren allow the death of his friends? couldn't he have stopped his mother from dying?
How did the king move to create a city and abandon half of his people? wouldn't the attack titan stop him?
I feel this new chapter opened up a giant plot holes
>Manipulating his own dad into killing innocent children Whoa, Edgeren Skywalker, much? youtu.be/YnwkE4trA48
Joseph Hernandez
>Last words are Meat Who wouldn't laugh when you tell someone that? It's a low blow
Jaxon Jones
The attack titan can only see memories that his future successor chooses to send him
David Bailey
10/10 would put my bepis between her boobies
Connor Allen
Don't waste your time, Erenbro, that person is probably a woman or a fujo, they don't understand concepts of family and motherland values
William Nelson
joy at seeing the walls torn down, freedom attained
Jonathan Turner
Can't wait for the anime to wrap up as shortened & half assed as possible so we can get a Brotherhood reboot with the animation matching Isayama's janky style and follows the manga faithfully from start to end.
Camden Thomas
>Historia: Oh, Eren! >Eren: It's all right, you're safe now. What are you doing out here? >Historia: I was so worried about you. Miss Hange told me terrible things. >Eren: What things? >Historia: She said you have turned to the dark side . . . that you killed innocent children. >Eren: Hange is trying to turn you against me. >Historia: She cares about us. >Eren: Us??! >Historia: She knows . . . She wants to help you. >Eren: Is Hange going to protect you? She can't ... she can't help you. She's not strong enough. >Historia: Eren, all I want is your love. >Eren: Love won't save you, Historia. Only my new powers can do that. >Historia: At what cost? You are a good person. Don't do this. >Eren: I won't lose you the way I lost my mother! I've become more powerful than any shifter has ever dreamed of and I've done it for you. To protect you. >Historia: Come away with me. Help me raise our child. Leave everything else behind while we still can. >Eren: Don't you see, we don't have to run away anymore. I have brought peace to Paradis. I am more powerful than the military General. I can overthrow him and together you and I can rule the world. Make things the way we want them to be. >Historia: I don't believe what I'm hearing . . . Miss Hange was right. You've changed. >Eren: I don't want to hear any more about Hange. The Survey Corps turned against me. Don't you turn against me. >Historia: I don't know you anymore. Eren, YOU'RE BREAKING MY HEART. I'll never stop loving you, but you are going down a path I can't follow. >Eren: Because of Hange? >Historia: Because of what you've done . . . what you plan to do. Stop, stop now. Come back! I love you. >Eren: (seeing Hange) Liar! >Historia turns around and. sees Hange and Cyborglet standing on the steps of the Paradis carriage. >Historia: No! >Eren: You're with her. You've betrayed me! You brought her and him here to kill me! >Historia: NO! EREN. I swear ... I ... >*Eren PATHS chokes her*
Owen Ward
>imagine being Eren >in the middle of dinner >have a vision from the future >Grim Reminder 2.0, Survey Corps raiding Liberio >everyone coming back home after the campaign >snaps out of the epiphany in the middle of ot after hearing someone screaming "MEAAAAT" >looks at the table >Sasha is screaming cause they will have meat for dinner >flashforward to Liberio campaign >Sasha actually dies and her last word was "meat
>the retards who say EH cant happen because Eren/Grisha murdered Historia's family are the same retards who said EM will happen because Eren/Grisha ordered the murder of Mikasa's family to get them together.
Owen Brown
I'm almost 100% sure that you can't see your own memories through someone else's memories. Memory-seeing for all titans works by putting you in their POV in physical space, so it makes no sense that Grisha would see Eren's memory (from Eren's POV) and pass through that to his own future (from Eren seeing Grisha's memory from Grisha's POV). This just doesn't make sense.
William Bennett
Alma: no! I'm not this child's grandma! I have nothing to do with her!
Sebastian Butler
This is the 15th most cancerous thing I have seen in /snk/ this month.
Joshua Lewis
Where does Cyborg Ninja fit into the family tree?
David Russell
Basado
Jose Jones
He can't change anything. Because it would have never happened in the first place then. He also can't see the future because there is no holder beyond him and he was only able to intentionally affect the past when Zeke brought him to Grisha's Path.
He moved on from their deaths and is only looking towards the future by the time he had access to the Paths/
Even got that specific Reiss eyeshape, like all of Rod's children.
C'mon stop your self denial Grisha-or-Zeke theorists, it's god damn obvious. Or are you going to make up a theory that Rod had another bastard with Carla?
This is exatly what i think too. Basically the true mission of all the aT holdres was to reach the moment where the last holder (aka eren) will eradicate the paths and stop this eternal curse.
Connor Collins
>tfw Grisha used to have """""private tutoring hours """""" alone with Misaka.
I think that's his baby but I'm going to be called a shipper even though they have serums and everyone would want to get rid of the no kids curse Also Zeke knows Historia is pregnant thanks to manlet's big mouth right? Need to reread
Henry Richardson
I don't expect it to happen, but that's close to what I'd consider an ideal happy ending. However, they would also need to destroy the technology Marleyans use to titanize ordinary Eldians and erase the research that lead to it. Which means they'd have to rumble all of Marley at minimum, or mindless titans could still be used shock troops by any foreign power.
>Well guess Eren and Historia would be like Emperor and Empress of the new Eldian Empire with that anyway. Sounds dumb. Eh. Neither Eren nor Historia has any imperialistic ambition. It's more likely they would remain on Paradis to rebuild and eventually expand beyond the walls to accommodate non-Walldians who want to immigrate. Basically, Japan post-WWII, but with an economy bolstered by exports.
After Eren and Historia die, there would be a risk their successor would want to expand and conquer. But titans were already losing their effectiveness for Marley. If the rest of the world's technological development continues apace, titans will have lost their overwhelming edge in 50 years' time. In terms of military might, Eldians will be no more or less dangerous than any other world power.
That kid could stop a war with it's scowl. Cringe onesie is superior.
Gabriel Fisher
BASED
Charles Watson
If Grisha, after seeing the future that Eren created, decided it was horrible, then why the hell did he pass on the Attack and Founding Titan onto him? Somehow i think this is some kind of trick that Eren and Grisha came up with to confuse Zeke. We didnt get to see when Grisha got eaten by Eren, after all.
Josiah Taylor
>both dirty blonds >light brown eyes >goatees There's a resemblance, but Jean,s facial features are completely different.
Henry Campbell
Reiner is gay for Eren
Liam Watson
user, Grisha got fucked.
Hudson Harris
That looked and felt like a farewell party.
Sebastian Robinson
What if Grisha's hug was fake and was Ymir manipulating Zeke? She even resurrected zeke
Kayden Cox
What plan retard? Zeke cut the revelation with his cuckiness. You can say it's the rumbling but he never said such thing to Zeke.
Am I the only one who's still wondering why Zeke and Eren didn't just walk up to each other in Liberio and touch hands?
Connor Jenkins
Wait a fucking minute what if Armin somehow got some memories from kissing Historia's hand? what if he got future memrories of turning Annie into a prostitue? What if he's totally in on Eren's plan?
Bentley Hill
Grisha probably saw another vision before he feed himself to Eren. He probably saw something where Armin and Mikasa is alive after the rumbling since he had that speech about saving AM. i don't thing we will see that vision until almost the end of the series
Oliver Taylor
touching hands with a man is pretty gay dude
Levi Rodriguez
Hai Levi sleeps 3 hours on his chair. Thanks for your question
Carson Smith
Plot
Hudson Ross
Back to your hugbox bumblrwhale
Dylan Campbell
So how the timeline works here? I'ts fucking confusing
>Eren touches Historia hand, sees his own memories of the future, they are beautiful >Future Eren tricks Zeke into making him to come in contact with his past dad to force him on killing the Reiss, Grisha somehow knows about the future >Even knowing that his son will genocide the entire planet, he continues the cicle instead of breaking the wheel
Brody King
Either because it was the only way to save Paradis despite the rest of the world being destroyed or because Eren intervened again. The fact he asked Zeke to stop him means Grisha isn't fully aware how deterministic the whole is (but he seems to be since he says Eren's dream comes true) or, more likely, that the thing he saw was terrible but not yet irreversible, i.e. just part of the rumbling and it could still be stopped. I don't think Grisha would trick Zeke, it was genuine emotion.
Armin is just the rich boy that will get to play his forced hero part
Christopher Moore
Best Onesei Best Post
Luke Wilson
Her last words weren't "meat". It was "Niku"/"Nic", her pet name for Niccolo. They misunderstood her because Sasha kept their relationship a secret. source: my ass
Zachary Carter
Why is she so mean?
Caleb Campbell
Unless Zeke has super hearing he shouldn't know. Manlet was far up on the giant trees when he discussed it with his men. He could probably guess they weren't gonna let him sit around forever, and he did have his appointment with Eren.
Given how they wouldnt need to deal with manlet and they only needed a moment couldn't they just run away after that? And even then why fear so much, I thought the cause was more important than their lives
Tyler Scott
The Attack Titan was originally part of Ymir, so what if Eren manipulated her into subjugating the world?
Christopher Howard
Well, of course it would be his baby. Otherwise why would Eren even care about an unborn baby that isn’t even related to him so much?
Alexander Smith
She's not terrified, she has a knowing look in her eye.
She can tell when Eren recovers memories because she's helped him with it so many times
Evan Nelson
>I stopped reading before they got to the basement and now there's nazi and timetravel shit Then keep reading?
Brandon Hernandez
Or maybe he just cares about saving all Eldians from sterilization. That's a possibility too.
Angel Roberts
I don't know man. I hope WIT continues but I'm bracing for the worst.
Brayden Ramirez
He can always undo it
Joshua Bailey
shh, ymir is sleeping
Liam Rodriguez
>I'm almost 100% sure that you can't see your own memories through someone else's memories.
I tend to agree, but that raises the question of who saw "that scenery" then, because it couldn't be through Eren's eyes either.
The way I'm reasoning this is that Eren also formed memories of Grisha's actions. He doesn't have access to Grisha's memories at any time; he just remembers the vision he saw. Therefore, he formed his own memories of those events, even though he saw them through Grisha's eyes. Basically, the AT's power copies and transplants memories with the paths as the transfer medium. Both copies of those memories are from Grisha's point of view.
What Grisha and Eren are doing (observing the past as third parties, like time travellers) is only possible because they're inside the paths. It's not a normal function of the AT.
Elijah Hall
The sterilization can be undone either way but the process itself might kill the baby, so that’s why Eren sperged so much all of sudden I think.
Camden Sanchez
Unless Historia is dumb she should've noticed that Eren acted strangely especialy since he was the only one that wasn't okay with Historia inheriting Zeke titan.
Jayden Bell
See
Oliver Thompson
walls not in reach and even if they were, they would have been in the killzone anyways.
James Flores
>only one that wasn't okay with Historia inheriting Zeke titan.
She knew he saw some serious shit, she was the one who had a direct look at his expression.
Eli Gutierrez
>>Historia is terrified how do you retards end up enjoying the manga if you can't read human faces?
Ayden Hernandez
ahem
I LIKE Gabi
Michael Kelly
I think he simply changed his mind. He returned to that young Grisha furious of the lost of his young sister after he knew Carla was eaten alive by titan, and then told young "you must avenge your mom".
Grisha wasn't born like Eren, he wasn't that aggressive for freedom's sake, but he could be ragetard like his son after a huge lost of a love one. I guess if Eren's plan is indeed to rumble their world, as a kind doctor he was in the walls, Grisha would normally think that's wrong to kill innocents at such amounts to get Eldia free, or at least struggle with that. He wasn't that brave or as edgy as his own son, who genuinely wanted to trample the world before knowing that would cause sacrificing Historia.
But he's still Eren's father. Eren loves and hates strongly, could either die for his hatred of titans or protecting his loved ones. Grisha's hate also pushed him for years, and now once again, after the bitter taste of losing an important loved one. I think knowing his wife died gruesomely made him changed his thoughts from "we shouldn't genocide the world..." to "Marley needs to be destroyed. Kill them all, Eren."
Grayson Hall
>Even knowing that his son will genocide the entire planet, he continues the cicle instead of breaking the wheel
Time paradox. There aren't branching timelines in effect here. If he doesn't see the vision of Eren destroying the world (assuming that's what it actually is), then he can't try to prevent it. But if he prevents it (like by giving the AT to someone else), then he would never see Eren's memory in the first place. The only way to preserve the vision AND try to stop Eren is to ask someone in the future (which ended up being Zeke) to do so.
But they still want to trigger the rumbling in order to protect the island for the united forces, so they need to be alive andsee what they are actually doing while controlling the titans .
Gavin King
I can't help but notice the people complaining about this are not fans
But to think about Eren has these informations, at least "that scenery" already 4 years ago, but it didn't seem like he ever told Hange or Levi or the scouts or AMJCS or anything? I mean if they know that AT can somehow time travel, then they might act differently than what they have tried the past chapters.
How could he pull something like that? He already hid the information about Dina and royal blood titan possibilities over a year, wasn't that enough? Were there any good reason for him again to keep theses informations private himself? He's a solider who vowed his life for his nation, he shouldn't always act on his behalf like this all the time. Or was it because he was still afraid that "activating FT to rumble the world= still need to titanize Historia" and also in the denial stage of rather he really should trample the world or not?
Daniel Lee
I-I don't get this chapter. Future-past mangling has always been too confusing to me. There are so many perceptible loopholes that my mind doesn't even want to bother thinking somewhat deeply about it at all. I get the general gist of what's going on but there are too many whatifs that always ruin time travel plots for me.
Josiah Clark
>Eren touches Ymir >PATHS dissolve >to make it stick and for everything to make sense Erens mind gets sent back to chapter 1 with no memory >but his child gets to live on outside the cycle. >He damns all Eldians to an eternal hell to protect his child
I read somewhere that she was saying "niku" in raws, which means both meat and Nikolo? I might be wrong idk
Juan Phillips
God i love pleb filters
Grayson Diaz
Just a few points. Since this is a loop, the "first time" Eren got in contact with Grisha already set in stone the fact Eren participated in the past; Future Eren talking with Grisha was an event unstoppable. Basically, there could've happened countless unstable loops (see) til one got there. It was impossible for Eren NOT GETTING the AT+FT in that point.
see: , , and the image but not the text in Eren doesn't control everything. His memories only influenced Grisha's actions. The rest of the story's events, like the fall of Shiganshina, are driven by the actions of others. Zeke is basically a retarded speedreader who made wild leaps of logic and assumed Eren magically micromanipulated cause and effect for some evil master plan. All Eren's done is react to events and memories as he's experienced them.
Jonathan Anderson
>eren starts disolving because the decapitated head starts dying off fund it
>last chapter Zeke was trying to convince Eren and himself that the latter is doing all this because Grisha manipulated him >Grisha was the one manipulated by Eren
>zekes fault was trying to manipulate eren, the thing he hated grisha for
Dominic Cooper
This "equilibrium" doesn't exist, Eren would just need to die for the whole thing to break.
John Gomez
>Zeke is basically a retarded speedreader who made wild leaps of logic and assumed Eren magically micromanipulated cause and effect for some evil master plan KEK, BASED CHADYAMA PROJECTING THE BRAINLETS IN THE MOST KEKED AND PROBLEMATIC CHARACTER ON THE SERIES
>Eren is the freedom man and the destiny man What the fuck is going on
Parker Bennett
Based Gabi Hero of humanity, kill those devils.
Cameron Cox
Or he could break PATHS and become the last AT holder, ending the loop and moving forward with the stabilised timeline
Jace Fisher
Eren did nothing wrong.
Anthony Garcia
>all the brainlets who though Eren is a mastermind manipulator when in reality all he did was make sure Grisha did all the things that Eren already knew he did
>being given powers without earning them He literally worked his ass off for 120 chapters just so he can time travel to grant them to himself. After all the shit he went through I think he very well earned them.
Landon Reyes
Conquerors of humanity and saviors of Eldia you mean.
Zachary Ward
Doesn't this chapter prove that Grisha was a shittier dad than we had assumed before? >Betrayed his second son >Pushed his responsibility to first son to stop Eren >Suddenly changed his mind and gave Eren the titans a moment later with positive advices >Basically setting up a possible fratricide with the future of eldia on stake, the thing he swore to protect and restore
Owen Thomas
Not sure if that's a correction or an addendum, but that's exactly what I was trying to explain.
Logan Anderson
Think. What if Ymir opens her eyes at the next chapter, and we found out she happens to get that Reiss eyes like Historia, Frieda and Rod?
Well most of the fandom still could say something like "she's their ancestor, so it isn't a great deal that they've got the same eyes passed down like over a thousand years", and with her thick bangs her eyebrows still wouldn't be shown to us.
If she really turns out to be Ymir the future daughter of Eren and Historia, I can see that Isayama finally unleash her eyebrows to the audience after another couple of months, and it turns out to be the exact same eyebrows that Eren and Carla got...that would be wild to be honest.
I wonder what happened for him and the others to completely forget about her existence.
Jaxson Richardson
Yes that would be unstable. And it will continue to be unstable until it finds an equilibrium.
Aiden Perry
Grisha's heart was in the right place, but he was ultimately a weak-willed person who didn't have the stomach to get his hands dirty. I felt sorry for him in this chapter.
Why did he look mad if he saw ''that scenery'' when he kissed Historia's hand? Or was it his father buckling under the pressure and then telling Zeke to stop him? Maybe he didn't see anything past the cave in that moment.
Eren has those eyes too though but that's Isayama problem even though he made sure to show eren and historia eyes were different. I find the hidden eyebrows more suspicious than anything, naybe the memes got into me but Eren's eyebrows are unique (not counting Erwin for being dead and Gabi for being Eren loli version design-wise). Maybe is their daughter or maybe she is the real Krista/Historia
1. Still an early concept 2. A way of coping but you could say some panels of Zeke hating war and feeling bad. I guess Mike was because of the shocking introduction
Daniel Sullivan
No retard, is literally said that the attack titan power is too see future memories, that's why it resists the founder and in every era has pushed forward to freedom. Every attack titan holder has been influenced by Eren since the first one, Grisha, Kruger and all that came before.
Because only dumb cucks believe he is somehow a good guy. He's been always a piece of shit. He is about to die and against the wall with the possibility of everything he built til now to be destroyed by Eren, so he acts like a victim.
Ayden Walker
holy shit I can't wait for this chapter to be animated. The ending of this manga will be absolutely kino.
Brody Scott
>speedreader
Adam White
Armin is still deluding himself, he can't be a good detective.
Wyatt Sanchez
>Every attack titan holder has been influenced by Eren since the first one, Grisha, Kruger and all that came before. Can you explain how you came to this conclusion
Sebastian Barnes
He didn't. He was angry at the corps being foolishly rushing to their deaths without even knowing why, he was angry at Grisha too, and he had to convince himself that it was all a game to deal with that anger.
Gavin Ramirez
He's a hypocrite.
It's weird how sadistic he is when killing soldiers, not just in Shiganshina, but also in that scene preceding Reiner's and Bert's reveal in which he takes a Scout's equipment and leaves him helpless on the ground, to be slowly devoured by a titan. If he actually believed in minimizing suffering and weren't just an angry, bitter person lashing out at his father, he would have just killed him painlessly.
Aiden Reed
Isayama just forgot about her and when he remembered it was too late to give her a spot on the plot so he shows her crystal sometimes so anniecucks can hope she becomes relevant again
The basically started a conflict because he changed his mind after meeting his second son. I felt sorry for him in the cave but not after that, I felt disgusted honestly. Isayama really did "assassinate" him for me.
BR were brainwashed but they didn't gratuitously yo-yo people to death
Ryan Collins
You're talking about him as if they were his choices to make. They weren't. He's nothing more than a tool of fate and of Eren.
William Rogers
I want him to shave!
Caleb Allen
I will never forgive Zeke foi killing Mike like that. He was one of the most based characters on SL
Noah Harris
>why yes, I do skip all the filler about magic shit to read about top waifus, how did you know? >oh who are those waifus? Annie, Gabi and Nico of course
But it was his choice to tell Zeke to stop Eren. It was outside of Eren's interference otherwise Eren won't be as shocked as he was after that. Are you a retarded speedreader or what?
Thomas Miller
Considering Zeke has no use left in the story and manlet is nowhere near him, i think it's very possible.
Zachary Stewart
The Eldia he wanted to set free is different than the one Eren wants to protect, which is just Paradis. World destruction would pretty much kill off most of the eldians.
Great Escape was one of the best EDs, your taste is just terrible.
Jayden Perez
Where did the high IQ philosophical Zeke posters go? I miss them.
Connor Carter
I was never a Zekefag though I just had fun talking about philosophy.
I'll take any side in an argument if I think it'll provoke interesting discussion and lines of thought.
Brody Butler
>Nico who
Daniel Cruz
>Great Escape was one of the best EDs Yeah maybe if we're talking 2008 music bro.
Ryan Ross
Because that's the attack titan's power. "Seeing memories from the future" is actually "Eren's sending memories to the past users" as he is he is the one here in the coordinate. Eren influencing past holders so Eldia ultimately wins it's freedom like it's already written to happen is the attack titan's power.
Jayden Bailey
>Every attack titan holder has been influenced by Eren since the first one, Grisha, Kruger and all that came before. So far, we have no evidence that could happen as anything other than a butterfly effect. As in: Eren influenced Grisha, Grisha influenced Kruger, Kruger influenced his predecessor, and so on. It's possible fragmented visions of things like "that scenery" or this scene were transferred down through the past and inspired ATs throughout time. Nonetheless, the only person Eren's memories affected DIRECTLY was Grisha. And that still doesn't mean Eren "controls everything", for fuck's sake. The actions of ATs throughout history were just one influence in a giant tapestry of cause and effect. It's not fucking omnipotent, nor does it overwrite its users' character. Notice how Grisha was still an indecisive faggot despite having Eren's angry memories rammed up his ass.
Eren was standing right there when he talked to Zeke.
Carson Harris
Zeke's an idiot. If he were actually an anti-natalist, he should want both the sterilization of Eldians and the rumbling, as that will just about exterminate nearly the entire world population.
Tyler Peterson
But he was willing to let his new family die before Eren "encouraged" him which in the first was the reason why he'd chickened out the first time he was at the chapel and with him tipping off Zeke, the eldia that he wanted and the eldia that Eren wants won't even exist if the future isn't predetermined. At the end of the day, he doomed every version of eldia.
Carson Martinez
please, Levi is obviously gonna live Hange however took the bullets
Joseph Brown
The best girls are Louise, Nanaba and Hitch
Joseph Rivera
You're dumb
Nathaniel Davis
"Every existing thing is born without reason, prolongs itself out of weakness, and dies by chance"
Doomed Eldia as a nation but if Eren fails, most Eldians would still be alive, under Marley tumb but alive.
Leo Cox
I said it was outside of Eren's interference. Can't you not speedread my post too? Eren saw what future Eren sent to his dad through his dad and nothing in it was about telling Zeke to stop him otherwise he won't be as panic as he is now.
Anthony Wood
Did you speedread about what Pieck said when the age of titan is over?
Bentley Roberts
yo this is legit fire art wtf since eren can manipulate causality lets instantiate him into our physical universe to destroy Moloch/Marley, whose with me
Wyatt Adams
Not that guy, but how do you think Eren influenced Grisha in that moment? Are you suggesting Eren somehow told Grisha to tell Zeke to stop himself, or that he intentionally influenced him to do so via memory cherry picking?
Isaiah Young
Grisha doesn't know about Zeke's euthanasia plan. All he asked him to do was stop Eren, he had no idea that he'd try to stop him that way.
Andrew Gonzalez
Pieck doesn't know Magath current intentions, Marley is not currently planning to kill off the Eldians.
Dylan Wilson
M*rley will genocide all Eldians when the titan technology gets outdated
Kayden Brooks
>Your wish won't come true
Isaiah Johnson
I still suspect bad writing
Jack Kelly
Sure, it's not like every nation won't change it's policy every time a new leader takes over. Not to mention, Marley forces which include Magath already effectively lost the battle in Paradis. What's stopping people from making sure that another Eren Yeager won't be born into that world?
Tyler James
i'm really stupid guys, why is eren's dream coming true instead of grisha's or kruger's? is it because they didn't have access to all the paths?
Jason Gomez
Is Eren the sage of 9 paths?
Nathan Hernandez
There unironically is
Lincoln Morales
Grisha saw the future and saw Eren winning.
Oliver Wilson
That's irrelevant if Marley loses here, there won't be any nations other than Paradis. The point stays that Marley is not planning to genocide the Eldians, neither other nations now that Willy narrative used Paradis as a scapegoat for the Eldian threat.
Elijah Jackson
>"Marley is not planning to genocide the Eldians" >the very nation who was conquered by Eldians in the past and holds grudge against the race will magically forget everything and treat everyone with equality because love always wins
so does that foreshadow eren being the last to own the attack titan?
Robert Collins
Didn't say the grudges would disappear, I only said Marley right now is not planning to kill off the Eldians, neither it has plans to do so, quite the contrary this is why they needed Eldian victims with Liberio attack, to separate them from the one in Paradis in the narrative.
Luis Robinson
>cape blowing in such a way as to simulate black wings LIKE A FALLEN ANGEEEELLLL
>why is eren's dream coming true instead of grisha's or kruger's?
Predestination/inevitabilty/fate. Eren is at the right place and time in history to make his dream come true: he's the first person to have both the Attack Titan and the Founding Titan, and probably the first one who accessed the paths. No matter how strongly Grisha or Kruger believed in their dreams, they couldn't impose their will on the rest of the world and make circumstances line up to suit their needs. Maybe, but maybe not. It could be that any subsequent owners will just be normal ATs, since the FT will pass to a different candidate if he dies before someone eats him.
Brayden Price
The narrative that will wear off once their common enemy is taken care off. Do you really think the world will fucking risk another global disaster in the making after Willy promoted Eren an Eldian as someone who could destroy the world? As of now only Magath "cares" about the Eldians.
Aiden Torres
damn poor Zeke
Carson Torres
That's a problem in the future on how to maintain the narrative, but having Magath who is in charge of the most powerful nation in the world is a big help. Right now their biggest concern is to not be genocided by Eren alongside the world.
Sebastian Rivera
ah, i got it! thanks for the explanation. i'm excited to see if they explain how ymir got her powers in the next chapter, though there is still one thing i'm a bit confused by, and it's why ymir must obey the royal blood?
Carter Hernandez
Who is in high risk of losing life since Marley is losing the battle in Paradis and let's not mention that Eldians are effective extinct since Zeke stopping Eren which was Grisha's wish means that his euthanasia plan would happen and since this was Grisha's wish, he essentially doomed every version of eldia.
Josiah Fisher
I'm sleepy with a fever so forgive the eslness
Dylan Gonzalez
this is actually a good theory
Brandon Thomas
If Magath dies this conversation is irrelevant, he is the only one with the power to do something, it's clear he still has a role to play, there is no narrative justification to have the head of state in the front lines if he is not going to do something with his power. And no Zeke won't succeed in sterilizing the Eldians, Grisha already told him and acted under that notion.
John Mitchell
So why the fuck would he create a meaningless conflict with the brothers and wish for him to stop Eren if he "knew" that Eren will win?
Liam Cook
See
Joseph Perez
In the middle of despair, people cling to anything that could give them a little bit of hope, it's easy to understand that.
Aiden Perry
Maybe because he might just saw a more complete vision where it was possible to stop Eren plan. Zeke already mentioned that Eren doesn't see everything in the future, he is not omniscient.
Dylan Sullivan
That would ruin everything presented so far on "time travel" in the series.
Jacob Wilson
But he knew about Zeke's wish so even if he believed it won't happen, it doesn't change the fact that he preferred the extinction of Eldians instead of the survival of Eldians. And Eren saw his future memory through his dad. Everything that Grisha knew, Eren knew it too.
David Cooper
And then he proceeded to give Ereh both titans, so your point?
Matthew Rivera
Again this is not about the survival of the Eldians as a race, is about the resurrection of Eldia as an empire built under the genocide of most of the human population. Grisha saw Eren activating the rumbling and asked Zeke to stop him.
Landon Turner
So my point is even for a moment he preferred the extinction of the Eldians and if the future isn't predetermined he basically fucked the Eldians, every version of it should Zeke win.
Jordan Thompson
>implying he knew about Zeke's plan He only saw Eren would rumble the world and destroy M*rley, Eren never showed him Zeke's plan, so Grisha still thinks Zeke is pro-Eldia. Maybe after that, Eren showed Grisha Zeke wanted to cause Eldian extinction and decided to give him the titans
