Tohno Shiki. Wolf in a sheep's clothing. Agree?

They are way more interesting. Plus chuuni.

well he'd give Angus Hudson from Upstairs Downstairs a serious scare!

Mystic EYE !!!

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He kills Arcueid on impulse because his demon-hunter instincts go haywire and he was unable to control himself because of it. The rape scene happens way later when they've pretty much bonded and grown an attraction for each other, Arcueid vampiric impulses kick in and she activates her Eyes of Enchantment/Seduction to lure the dead to her so she can kill them to stave off her urge to drink blood and Shiki ends up finding her and his instincts kick in along with being put under the affect of his eyes make his bloodlust and sexual lust start to interact with one another in a very disturbing way(later we also find out that a vampire who's connected to him and his adoptive brother's lifeforce also had some influence over him during this moment) so Shiki has not one but three outside influences fucking with his head at once and when he sees he's making her cry and harming her he manages to snap out of it before he rapes her and is honestly disgusted and horrified by what he tried to do to her even if it literally wasn't his fault. After some time to cool off and apologize and clear the air between both of them though, Arcueid who also felt guilty because she felt she forced her own desires on him with her eyes and controlled him during that situation not realizing everything that was going on with him and his own attraction to her. So basically two really fucked up people really wanted to fuck each other without realizing how much they wanted to fuck each other and it nearly ended in rape. Early Nasu was...interesting to say the least.

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>manages to snap out of it
No not like this

Because otherwise you end up with boring pieces of shit like Gudao if Nasu tries to keep the mental issues out of it. Hell, even Sieg and Hakuno had their own fucked up shit to deal with, Sieg basically having a slightly less extreme but equally suicidal messiah complex as Shirou and Hakuno develops a guilt complex and PTSD whereas Gudao is just a glorified pov camera

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can shiki kill servants?

If Non-Void Ryougi can now, than he absolutely can.

Arc would get destroyed by anyone with a RM. Her power comes from being connected to the Earth. As soon as someone like Shirou or DUDE shows up and sucks her into their RM, that connection is severed.

She can just crush it with the planet's support/raw power as she threatens to do in Melty Blood to things like White Len's shit.

No. Move on.

arc has the whole earth as her rm who gives a shit about a redhead mong chuuni delusions

Yeah because we all know the moment a Type leaves their world they become utterly powerless and not unkillable godbeings right?

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Reminder that Ciel is best girl regardless of what shitposters say

>more layers and psychological issues than a traumatized onion.
this post is... this DAMN post is...!
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OJOS MYSTERIANDO

Badly written teen rapist withno drive, unlike Shinji. Good ideas but poor execution.
A Tsukihime remake would probably fix every problem I have with him.

This. Shitposting aside I never liked Shiki as character. He always will looks like pure self-insert without any ambitions and opinions. Yes I know Nasu said both Shirou and Shiki are self-insert but I have no idea how you can self-insert into Shirou.

>no drive
How do you get this from Tsukihime?

are you both retarded or illiterate, perhaps both?

>rapist
>no drive
>self-insert
>no opinions
How the fuck do you read Tsukihime and come out being this objectively wrong about the character you have the most exposure to?

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>rapist
Aside from his shitty, OOC threat to Ciel that Nasu threw in there just for shock factor any rape scenes involving Shiki are him being possessed, manipulated, or literally him seeing what SHIKI is doing via their connection. Shiki is outright disgusted by rape, vomits when he sees SHIKI's dreams of it and nearly kills himself the one time he goes through with assaulting someone because of Roa because of the utter disgust and remorse even if it literally isn't his fault.
>no drive
If actively trying to hunt down the vampire in your city who's killing and trying to turn the populace into his undead army while keeping someone you killed safe, facing an unholy amalgamation of 666 immortal lives on your own to avenge your classmate and innocent people who were eaten by him, spending literal days on end searching for his missing classmate just to uphold a nothing promise he was never obligated to against everyone's best wishes, uncovering the mysteries of his past and coming to grip with the tragedies surrounding both his blood family and his adoptive one and those affected by it out of his own will and desires isn't drive I don't know what to tell you. Sorry he doesn't have Shirou's hero autism.
>self-insert
Shiki is a morally upright individual and a normal boy most of the time but he's such a fucking goofball with weird hobbies and passtimes that throw everyone in his house off the moment he gets comfortable because the thought he was laidback and mature rather than childish and energetic and playing pranks here and there but can still flip on a fucking dime and can be colder and even more disturbing than Ryougi if he wanted to. Not to mention his incredibly fucked up life and past and nihilistic yet optimistic view on life due to his near death experience on top of the subtle sociopathy he occasionally displays sometimes even in lax situations makes him possibly the hardest character to self-insert into

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Nasu literally answered that. Anyone who isn't a Type level would get their RM btfo by Arc

Shit like the Demon Slayer Clans is part of the reason why FGO and the like feels fundamentally flawed. They had to give up so much to become capable of faring against non-humans, the Nanaya impulsively attack non-humans whether they consciously want to or not to the point where they can become unhinged, the Ryougi have essentially psychotic "warrior" alternative personalities that they're normal personalities have to keep in check or go mad and the Asagami tied their TK ME to their fucking sense of pain. And the Fujoh aren't super clear but given how messed up they can be (extenuating circumstances, but Kirie and Kohaku being cases) they probably didn't have much better.
There isn't really any indication of that in modern TM works. No one has to sacrifice anything to be a badass, no one really risks anything when they go into combat beyond the standard consequences of losing. Even Cu's geass is virtually never brought up, the most that ever happens is stuff like Nero's migraines which also become essentially forgotten after Extra. There's an inherent lack of stakes and background to the characters, it makes it hard to care about what they're doing or why they're doing it.

Arc pretty much wrecks any RM she gets stuck in, Nasu confirmed this and she states she's more than capable of doing so during MB if she wanted to. The only reason Shiki manages to de-power her in the Ciel route is because he kills the area around them so she has no power to tap into and he still gets fucking wrecked..

Shirou is a retard

This pretty much is my entire gripe with Gudao/ko and FGO as a whole, really. We're supposed to be dealing with big world-ending threats apparently but it never feels like it at all. I never can get behind rooting for Guda because it feels like he hardly does anything whatsoever to contribute to victory and then gets sucked off constantly by the Servants and gets pats on the back for basically sitting back and letting others fight and anytime they do take action it never amounts to anything really unless through extremely contrived circumstances when you can't help but think 'couldn't LITERALLY anyone else have done this instead?' but nope. and i could forgive that if there were ever any consequences to their actions or some lingering effect on their personality by the events but nope. Other than ocassionally getting sad over roman, fucking nothing. everything's fine. no stress over somehow making mortal enemies forget their grudges and fight on the same side, they can just be really nice and everyone loves them and gets along because of them and everything's fine. guda can jump headfirst into danger and...everything's fine. when shirou, Shiki, Ryougi, hell even Sieg jumped into action without thinking or backup they got fucked up they suffered and their actions always had consequences one way or the other. you can argue their powers give them an advantage but aside Ryougi the rest literally have to gamble life and death anytime they use them, Shirou's nerves splitting, Shiki's brain exploding, Sieg's lifeforce and existence getting eroded by Fafnir's. There was always a price to pay for every action and it always made things feel earned in some way but you get none of that in FGO and despite attempts to make it seems like it, you hardly ever really FEEL like anything was truly earned.

Fuck I left Kerry out when listing the protags but...yeah him too. I don't need to even go into all the shit that comes with him, I feel.

>aside Ryougi the rest literally have to gamble life and death anytime they use them
With Ryougi it's not an immediately lethal threat, but she's in a semi-constant sense of psychological phantom pain from the death of SHIKI that impacts upon her identity. It's a mental plight rather than a physical one but its still an ordeal she has to deal with, especially when facing the like of Araya and Lio who deliberately mess with her head.

Honestly, FGO would be far better if the POV character was actually the one capable of fighting alongside the Servants with an actual past explaining why it's possible.

But I guess that turns the normalfag self-inserters off.
The MC is so irrelevant they can change gender at any time and nothing changes.

>on top of the subtle sociopathy he occasionally displays sometimes even in lax situations
I don't really remember him displaying any signs of sociopathy, if anything I remember him being deeply affected by the bad things that happened to the people in the VNs.

If they can just summon Rins and Sakuras and Luvias and Illyas and Wavers and whoever the fuck else just to let Servants possess their physical bodies...
Why don't they just throw the shit tier Magus FGO protagonist in the bin and have somebody competent lead the effort to save humanity?

I think the best way to see whether or protagonist is good is with the Olga Marie test.
If your main protagonist just stares like a fucking autist while an innocent girl (also your boss) who's been accompanying you through the post-apocalyptic Fuyuki is literally screaming in terror and despair whilst the persom who betrayed them is promising that they will suffer infinite death while throwing them into a fucking sun, your main character is pretty bad.
They also like, don't care immediately after her death.

Like shit, can you imagine Shirou's reaction to that?

The perfect self insert for an anime watcher, I was also bored and didn't care at all

Great argument

Yeah, but that's one of the reasons it's so shit.
If the MC is boring, everything is being viewed through a boring, almost clinical lens.
"Oh no... Tiamat is killing everyone *yawn*.

MC personality is not center of story and never will be in FGO format. Everything is for your imagination. Only upcoming Babylonia can add him character. But you can imagine the Lostbelt deal is not something he/she takes easy.

no
a generic MC reaction will be screaming, or at least try to save her
Guda do ... absolute nothing ...

Ok retard.

It's really offputting, honestly.
Like, that moment for me solidified Mash as "forever a cunt" for not even trying to help despite being a Superhuman.

I'm reading this now, and so far this has been more interesting than the near side. Roa is so fucking boring,

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I thought Roa was fine in Ciel's route, he's just kind of a panto villain in Arc's.

That's the only kind of MC he knows how to write, personally I only think Shirou was done competently.

what about Aoko?

This is true as seen with the FGO protagonist.
Camera with Legs doesn't have a twisted personality because they don't have a personality.

Realistically, most of the Servants would fucking hate the boring asshole.

Grooms Shiki.

He and most early Type-Moon characters are warped people and that's why I love them.

Superior Shiki coming through

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>Boring and overpowered
>Muh Kokutou for over seven movies
>Poorly-handled mystery
>Best movie from her series is the one she's barely in at all
YeahNo thanks.

THIS. Gil would have fucking murdered him on site just like Hakuno.

Is it an intentional part of his design that you want to punch him in his stupid fucking face?

She was too busy getting wet over camera-kun's incredible ability to gawk into space without contributing to anything.

Yeah. It lures you in to get murdered like an angler fish.

Cool. Smart design then, because I really want to punch him in his stupid fucking face.

>Deviantart tier OC.

The glasses are there for your protection.

Not only Gil, there are fucking tons of Servants who should only ever barely tolerate Camera-kun's presence at best.

Literally what? Solomon was born without freedom as God's bot. Pepe killed all his family. Marisbury Animusphere had such a brutal disregard of human life for the sake of greater good that it disturbed broken Emiya and those crimes made him berserker (Kiara just continued what Marisbury started for over a decade with those children). Bedivere suffered for over a thousand of year the burden of Excalibur on his hand which broke down his soul. That monster friend of Enkidu was an abomination made of thousands of children who broke her ego when all activated and he was forced to mercy kill her with Gil. All Lostbelt shit too, with Skadi systmetaically killing population at 25 years old (or 15 if they don't breed) to substain the place, the ignorance paradise of Qin, etc. You're a retard who doesn't read FGO and cherrypicks.

>Skadi kills old people
In fact not even truly old people? Wtf? Is this true?

They kind of did a weird horrible injury segment in the America singularity at the beginning, but it just felt so out of place and was immediately disregarded with some healing magic or whatever that the whole thing just felt like a dream sequence

>Ryougi the rest literally have to gamble life and death anytime they use them, Shirou's nerves splitting, Shiki's brain exploding, Sieg's lifeforce and existence getting eroded by Fafnir's.
Mashu literally endured horrible experiments until Roman came to her life and basically treated her like a human being, still felt pain because of her fragile existence and a limited lifespan. She still denied to stay in Chaldea even if Roman wanted her to but gave her a choice and put her life in line to fight as Demi Servant, even if it mean getting vaporized to protect the self insert.

>B-But she was saved!
Every single of those protagonist never suffered a final death outside a bad ending, they were all saved and rescued or given another chance. Mashu died and was completely fucking DESTROYED before Fou brought her back.

>B-But Guda
Guda isn't the MC. Nasu never said FGO was Guda's story. Guda is just a cameraman who exists as empty slot for the players to get sucked off but the story of Fate Grand Order was never about them. Hell, they got officially edited out from all their "deeds" and isn't recorded as the hero of part 1 officially for his "safety" but as a meta way of Nasu telling Gudfags to go fuck themselves.

Far side is generally better, though I prefer the maids

Her Lostbelt is a small land with limited resources which also has giants who need to be fed or they'll go berserker and slaughter everyone. She has to feed them those people for those reasons (population control basically) and because she cannot let humans grow, mature and advance because without their belief, she would weaken and so would the protection and guarantee the world lasts against Surtr's fire and ice. So at age 15 they have to have children, at age 25 all are giant meal. The things would have changed if they would have been allowed to exist after Surtr's defeat, then humanity would be allow to prosper now the world isn't covered with the ice and fire.

It's a Type-Moon protagonist. I don't doubt for a second that he has some bullshit to kill me instantly.

It doesn't change that, just looking at him, I want to punch him in his stupid fucking face.

So why not cull the giants?

Because they were weakling faggots who couldn't do shit.
Imagine if they were led by a True King.

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Because they are her children too? Either way she couldn't let humanity advance because means she'll lose power and everyone would die. After Surtr is defeated, her LB had a chance and hope to develop and actually continue into a peaceful future, but Chaldea destroyed the tree. The last scene is this girl whom (you) saved from the giants watching spring bloom all around the lostbelt before she disappears of existence.

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Those flavored CE texts are sad:

>The maiden of the Flower Garden
>"I don't really understand what you're talking about, and I think I wasn't given a proper answer yet,
>but...

>It's lovely, isn't it? I'll grow older,
>and I can't do anything about it.

>To my surprise, I couldn't imagine it, not even vaguely, in my head,
>so this is my first time."

>───This is a picture of a dream.
>A world never to be seen, a world that cannot exist.
>But still, you imagine it.
>Surrounded by flowers, it seems she appeared a little mature.

>The Renegade Yaga

>"I will never forgive you.
>I will never forgive you for making the mistake of teaching me that a happy world exists.
>So stand up. Stand up and fight!
>Haughtily claim that a world where you can laugh and live is superior, that such a world deserves to survive!

>Hold your head up high.
>Hold your head up high and fight for that weak and feeble world.

>...Don't lose.
>Don't lose to this ruthless world where only the strong can live!

>--This is a picture of a dream. The image of a yaga who dreamed of the stars, of a world that can't possibly exist.
>But still, you imagine it.
>The image of a wolf who looks up the stars and smiles, satisfied.

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Fuck off GOnigger nobody cares about your poetry.

I admire your determination if nothing else, user. Have a nuShiki face.

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>A Family Portrait
>"Ahh, really? That's it.
>I knew it, I forgot something, right?
>I've always felt like something was missing.

>Hey... please tell me.
>Tell me about all the important things I forgot."

>───This is a picture of a dream.
>Gentle parents, affectionate siblings, a cute little sister, and her beloved dog.
>A family destroyed in a mad cycle.
>A world that cannot exist.
>But still, you imagine it.
>The prayer of the girl who couldn't remember anything
>would finally be answered in the end.

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You're the ones who brought muh sacrifices in my old porn games!!! now deal with it.

I didn't bring up shit retard, I'd just prefer you didn't spam the thread with unrelated images.

The context isn't entirely unrelated though you can say we have flown off a tangent

>Mashu literally endured horrible experiments until Roman...
>Every single of those protagonist never suffered a final death outside a bad ending, they were all saved and rescued or given another chance. Mashu died and was completely fucking DESTROYED before Fou brought her back.
Sorry I misworded. It's not about death for me. Nor the dying and coming back really, so much as it's more so the lack of sacrifice or lasting consequence that came with it aside from Roman really.
Ryougi: Becomes a real murderer and bears the guilt of taking a human life but does at least get the normal life with Kokutou she always wanted.
Tohno: Goes to save Arcueid - fights tons of dead apostles and becomes an enemy of the world in the process, Kills himself to give Akiha back her lifeforce(is implied to still be alive), loses both Akiha and Kohaku(one to murder the other to suicide he couldn't prevent). Dies at 25 regardless of the route due to shitty lifespan and overuse of eyes cutting down on that.
Shirou: Spends ages pursuing his deal and suffering tragedy after tragedy for years until he finally meets Saber in Avalon, takes a more realistic approach to fulfilling his ideals with Rin at his side so it's a bit better if she didn't give up on him at some point, Kills Saber, Illya sacrifices herself for him, still feels a bit of guilt over his actions during the route possibly leading to the death of others but otherwise happy ending with Sakura(aside the fact he's a soul living in a doll that needs mana transfers on daily now to live)
Sieg: Half his siblings die despite his best efforts, loses all his friends during the course of the final conflict between red and black, loses any chance at a normal life by dragoning himself, spends ages in the reverse side fighting off various monsters until the end of time where by the time Jeanne finds him he's horribly injured all over and he can barely remember her promise to(anime cut this part for god knows what reason).
You get-

-get what I mean. I don't need a bittersweet ending per se but losses and irrevocable changes upon the protagonists life/mental state, by their own decisions or outside factors they couldn't prevent, makes a story feel more meaningful to me. That said, Mashu's story isn't over yet and as far as I'm concerned she is the MC in pretty much all but name and I really wish we could follow her POV as she's the one who actually changed during the course of the plot, has history with Chaldea, actually fights along side servants when she earns praise, and feels genuinely affected by the events around her rather than camera-kun. Her complete breakdown during Chaldea's downfall and calling it her home is honestly one of my favorite FGO moments. So really I'm withholding full judgement until the story actually does finish but for now I'm still a bit on the fence with alot of FGO though it'll constantly be tainted by the need to force Guda in there. We could be getting a far more personal and impactful story from Mashu's perspective that could really resonate with players/readers but, alas, how could we properly waifu her without self-inserting into the story? That would be the real loss here.

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>Every single of those protagonist never suffered a final death outside a bad ending
I dislike it myself, but what is HF normal faggot?

He's a GOtertiary trying to defend the shitty change of overall tone.
Disregard him.

Both HF endings were kinda meh. Either it ends on a depressing note or it ends too happily. Shirou either dies or the mental and bodily damage he does to himself is rendered null

>Illya dies sacrificing herself for Shirou
>too happy
Die.

Them being happy when Sakura's sister comes to visit 2 years after the war is fine. Thematically, the epilogue is good, but it's actual content is just ok, it could be much better.

Not him, but the bad ends relating to Illya have forever rendered me unable to feel bad about her dying

If HF was written with the same tone as FGO, Illya would sacrifice herself and die and then magically come back to life because of dumb bullshit.

This, honestly.

Illya's bad ends are endearing.
Sorry you have shit taste.

What kind of kinky shit are you into, man?

oh no, Illya dies a year before she was supposed to die, how tragic

HOMUNCULI HAVE RIGHTS TOO, user!!

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That's not really what I'm getting at here.
It is tragic though.

Shiki and his double blue button shirts always gets me too.

OH MAI CONVENIENCE PLOT DEVICE DOMESTICATED RODENT WHO ALSO HAPPENED TO BE A SECRET SUPER BOSS THAT GOT NEUTERED BY YOU BECAUSE OF FRIENDSHIP AND LOVE AND SO HE'S A COCK WIZARD SPY WHO HAPPEN TO KNOW EVERYTHING AND ANYTHING IN THE STORY!!!

I can only imagine what bullshit would be pulled to do something like that.
Mashu should've stayed dead and been summoned again as a heroic spirit.

He was always dressed like a little furry Merlin, so it's not really a surprise that there was something up with Fuu

yeah, that's the point having a character like that makes everything fall in line so easy that the plot feel cheapened.

I'm fine with Fuu being a Chekhov's gun, but I really wish it took the form of him just going full monster to fight something instead of just randomly healing Mash. That seems like something that should have been set up separately at the very least

Imagine for a moment that in F/SN Shirou just randomly befriends an odd looking forest animal and it just brings whoever needs to live for a happy end back to life because it's secretly a Good Manifestation of the Evils of Humanity.

but that's why he's a good protagonist

this, but it's a phone game so I stopped bothering reading deep into it because the powerlevel and the massive potential of every character have and every characters (you) CAN have to make any plot can happen. You see, there is almost no limit of potential in FGO that's why it feels safe and secure to say "everything make sense!" because everything can happen if given the set up and convenience. With a world building where potential is vast and easily obtainable, you can't blame the writer for OOC or faulty lores because the plots are completely canon safeguarded.

I was going to try and defend this a bit but shit when you put it like that....

This. I'm fine with Chekhov's guns in fiction so long as it's been properly foreshadowed and setup beforehand. Lord knows Type-Moon stories are full of them but the difference here is that they're properly set-up and the payoff actually makes sense in regards to the nature of aforementioned Chekhov Gun whatever it may be.

I assume everyone just thought Fuu was a familiar for a mage there or something, and it's not really farfetched Merlin would have something there keeping an eye on things considering his role in Chaldea.
What they really need in FGO are bad ends to show how things could go wrong. It's not like reverting to an earlier part of the story after that happens would ruin "immersion"

>could've had Beast v Beast Showdown
>instead got pic-related
So they just let the random mage's familiar come along to their humanity saving missions despite already knowing they have had at least one traitor among them.

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It makes more sense if Roman knew more about Fuu than he ever let on, but that's about as best as I can play devil's advocate here

Mashu was the main heroine, Ilya wasn't. And HF had the OH NO RIN IS DEAD - OH nevermind, she's alive for reasons.

>normal
Not the true ending, faggot.

>Sorry I misworded. It's not about death for me. Nor the dying and coming back really, so much as it's more so the lack of sacrifice or lasting consequence that came with it aside from Roman really.
Mashu's experiencing lasting consequence: she lost the person that raised her and had all this bottled up until she got a breakdown. She lost Galahad and this affects her enormously, they lost Chaldea because she was unable to defend it. Her weakness now she's got not Galahad makes her lose battles and is one of the reasons why Patxi died among other things. She's constantly second-guessing herself, torn about all the people she has to kill in order for them to live in each lostbelt. She lost Ophelia who was the closest she had as a best friend. She lost Da Vinci, sure there's the Loli but she's not the same 'person' anymore, that was another lost of an authority figure of her life. Last LB and her interaction with Pepe highlight a lot about her guilt and her doubts.
She has done worse shit than any of your TM protagonists put together because LB storyline is too edgy.

Obviously Guda is a non character, for all the attempts they are trying to do lately, but she has lost a lot of things, including her innocence. None of the TM protagonists face the dilema of destroying a full world with millions sometimes inside, Mashu did. At best Shirou had a city wide dilemma.

Saber dies.

>It makes more sense if Roman knew more about Fuu than he ever let on,
He did though. He had a chat with him in Solomon and his backstory manga which got supervised by Nasu showed he knew exactly what Fou was.

Saber isn't a main heroine in HF. Are you literally stupid to do the false equivalent? And she doesn't even die. Her real body is in Britain.

Nobody took Fou. Fou appeared anywhere he wanted, even when he wasn't with them.
Plus Roman knew his identity, he even teases him saying he first thought he and Merlin were similar and didn't care about humans, but he was wrong about Fou.

She dies in all routes.
But in Fate she dies for real.

You'll have your Beast vs Beast showdown with Tamamo Bitch. All Beasts ignored Fou, so he wasn't able to do shit. While TV attacked him.

>But in Fate she dies for real.
In Fate, she goes to Avalon. She's not dead. See Nasu.
She has a contract until she gets the Grail. She'll only die then or when she breaks it. It has nothing to do with Shirou or HF.

Characters that are (You)sexual are the best.

>Tsukihime thread
>overrun by Fateshit
AAAAAAAAAAARGH.

What if we merged Shiki and Shirou? How powerful would they be?

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>Can shoot swords at people's lines of death
Maybe okay

Pretty sure he threatens to rape Kohaku or Hisui during one of their routes

FGO will forever be shit and no one can change that.

>perfect archery skills
>can make multi-kilometer insta kill shots on deathpoints
Doesn't even need projection.

Nope. Only Ciel before the Roa fight in Arcueid's route. Closest he gets is when he tells Kohaku to run away when he feels Roa starting to taking over wanting to rape/kill her near the end of Ciel's route.

You guys are thinking small. Imagine this shit really, just start lets take Shiki's ability to shut off his sense of pain/ignore extremely fatal wounds like a hole in his stomach and multiple broken bones and still manage to shit all over Nrvnqsr on top of Shirou's abnormally high resilience and sword skin shit + avalon would make him nigh-unkillable via wounds suffered in battle. Then Shirou's tracing ability which lets him copy the stats and experience of whoever's weapon he's wielding with Shiki's ability to move faster than the eye can track and slash someone into 17 pieces in under a second and kill fucking lightning on top of his dexterity in being able to accurately carry out these strikes and his precognition, and finally Shirou's circuits with Shiki's high amount of mana that lets him contract with Ren who's mana consumption is so high she can kill the average mage if they attempt to contract with her, he'd be able to use UBW entirely on his own and, like you guys said with the archery shit, blade storm shooting at people's points and lines of death just....holy shit. They would be a fucking monster.

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the real question is

what would Shirou Shiki's name be?

So are you saying he would be able to kill servants?

Hisshou? Shiri? Kiri? Kirou?

......Possibly.

So who could possibly stop Shikirou Tohmiya?

Counter Guardian TOHMIYA

Sabarcueid

"If you can only live by holding on to all those heroines, drown in your harems and die, Tohmiya Shikirou!!"

>FGO will forever be praised and beloved by the social media and bitter tmgcucks won't change that
Good.

>FGO will forever be praised and beloved by the social media
>social media
Look at this tremendous faggot
Look at him
this is the typical FGO fag.
This is your enemy.

let's rape him

I agree with your sentiment, Shiki.

>soulless, shallow, cashgrab made to appeal to the soulless and shallow masses by taking advantage of their stupidity and willingness to overlook bullshit is loved by the soulless and shallow masses
wow. like. imagine my shock dude.

Yep. He is a better MC than Shirou and has a better group of females from where he can choose a bottom bitch.

Oh and in the manga, his inner desires nearly gets the best of him and holds down Arcueid and I will let you read and view to find out if you don't know what I am saying.

yes yes, he licks her titty

we get it, mang

what kind of rapist goes down on his victims though is my question.

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The rape was consensual.

One who's really into her.

cringe.
Also
>Not liking all TM protags(except Gudao) more or less equally
double cringe.

>One who's really into her.

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Sieg is a shit, Extra fag is a shit, Kiritsugu is a manchild, Waver is a fag, and Ilya is not for lewding.

Angra was the only other acceptable protag from the OG TM works and he was basically a ruder Shirou.

You actually can keep going, it's just a bad ending (recommended you do this at least once).

By Allah behave yourself!

Soujuurou was a pretty cool guy and maybe Canaan too.

>Satsuki Route never ever
Secret best girl never got a route in Fate either.

>tfw she literally says later on she wouldn't have minded if shiki raped her
Where can I get a girl like Arc?

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Shitty taste user.

I mean, she wouldn't have minded but she would have lost control and sucked his blood till his death.
Not really ideal.

For you, maybe.

God, poor Illya really got shafted with Prisma.
Way to fucking butcher everyone's character, but most of all Illya's.

It's not the same if it's just some different character that looks like Illya but acts totally different.

Haven't read Mahoyo because Mahoyo translation never.

hang out near a certain snowy forest

It's not. At least that way her death has a meaning. Her sacrificing herself is literally the best thing that can happen to her. She's a tragedy in itself, and her most tragic ending is clearly the UBW one.

why did Nasu name him Shiki when Ryougi exist? Is there a reason it's the "same" name? I know the kanji is different.

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Man, UBW just doesn't make sense with how Gilgamesh acts.
Like for what reason does he all of a sudden prioritise the grail over Saber?
Why does he just decide he no longer needs his armour?
Why does he not fuck up Caster for not only attempting to but actually fucking with Saber, like he did in Fate.
Why did he in Fate, not just decide to take Illya's heart while he was at the temple after killing Caster?

Why does he dress like a slav instead of wearing his cool white coat?

KnK was the prototype of the Fate series and Tsukihime. Shiki was Shiki's prototype as Enjou was Shirou's.

I feel like the whole Caster fucking with Saber fiasco is what makes him lose interest in her. He likes her for her prideful nature, by how strong she is. At the point that she loses like that, he feels like she's not worth it, and with that there's no reason to take it serious, since his only opponent at this point is a little boy.

In a meta-sense, it's probably related to the fact that "shi" is death in Japanese. The kanji for death is "死", however, which does not appear in their names but could be a bit of a stealth pun and lord knows Nasu loves those.

>Like for what reason does he all of a sudden prioritise the grail over Saber?
He needs the grail to make Saber a physical body in the first place.
>Why does he just decide he no longer needs his armour?
He never decided he needed it in the first place.
>Why does he not fuck up Caster for not only attempting to but actually fucking with Saber, like he did in Fate.
He was about to but then he saw the clothes Caster put Saber in.
>Why did he in Fate, not just decide to take Illya's heart while he was at the temple after killing Caster?
He didn't have a master like Shinji to shove the heart in.

Sure, but you would think he would do something about it, honestly.
It's also not like she doesn't resist Caster with all her power.

Yeah, and she lost miserably. He thought she was better than that, so he lost all interest. It makes sense to me at least. Gilgamesh is a weird one.

To be fair, this is the same woman that managed to get her shit slapped by pretty much everyone in the last war.
Strongest Servant my ass.

She's the true king of jobbers. They make a good couple tho.

Saber was effectively Caster's virgin anal slut during the entirety of her captivity. She was always one orgasm away from being Caster's pretty little virgin slut slave pet

One of these days, I'll do a dump of the Tsukihime manga.

EL BLANCO SHIKI

My problem with Guda is that Nasu refuse to give him any character, and he is actually suck at giving character without relaying on dark past gimmick

Please do.

>just like Hakuno
Unlikely. By the time he entered the stage, the ex self insert-kun had already won the moon hgw, which would probably earn him a measure of acknowledgement.

why does Nasu come up with the weirdest fucking names that require 3 tongues to pronounce?

at this point he's too far in and it would be jarring to give Guda an actual personality

Shirou dragged her down HARD

This. She went from B+ to A tier to D+ maybe C at best.

Except he's talking about how she somehow managed to job to caster of all people in Zero

>I can't read: the post
Those are all tragedies hoisted upon the characters that have nothing to do with their abilities. It has nothing to do with what they have to deal with on a moment-to-moment basis when they go into combat and even if it did, it NEVER comes up in combat because it's a fucking game that can't bring that across.
Suffering that doesn't inform gameplay or risk in combat isn't anything to do with what I'm talking about.
>You're a retard who doesn't read FGO and cherrypicks.
I haven't bothered with anything after Solomon yet, but no. Try again.

"B-But my waifus..."

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OJOS MÍSTICOS

its like Nasu afraid to give Guda actually personality because he's afraid to offense waifufag
i actually fell sorry more for Guda

>Olga
>innocent girl
Hahahahahaha. Yeah, right. I suggest you to re-read the prologue

all japs can't into western names

Ishtar and Ereshkigal weren't initially summoned by Guda, nor was Kama. Not sure on Parvati and Zhuge Liang though

OOC gag.

Nasu's best MC and character in general.
Nuff said.

All of it is said but none of it is actually elaborated on.
Show, don't tell, such a basic rule of writing.
But proper writing wouldn't work in a mobage, especially with the whole singularity system.

Mashu is simply a far inferior Sakura who is somehow more annoying.
This is overall symptomatic of FGO as a whole.

Orwell would kill you if he was alive.

Aoko is the main protag of the 3 leads.

Guda isn't a proper character though. It's just a lens for you to experience the story.

That is what auxiliary material and adaptations will be for, as in a mobage you need to be an empty self insert to not trigger incels.

>mary sue

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Not true, actually. There's gatcha mobage where the MC is actually characterised, albeit to varying degrees of sophistication, Witch's Weapon is an example albeit not a very good one. If Nasu had taken that approach where the MC actually has to fight his own battles if with support from the heroines then it might've actually suited his narrative better. Too bad that's not what happened.

Nasu is a hack who only good at writing one note character "muh dark and sad past" like chunni he is

The sheep cloth is pretty thin considering on one occasion, one of his classmates says they're always agitated around him.

I remember in a flashback kids were so on edge around him they were constantly asking to be moved away from him. It's why he's such a loner despite his reputation and popularity with girls in and out of school. Only abnormal people can actually tolerate being around Shiki and he doesn't really bother getting close to normal people or really individualizing them from one another. Like Roa and SHIKI and Arihiko say about him, sometimes it's like he doesn't see people as people and more like hunks of meat and why he didn't really notice Sacchin until she forced herself into his life with that promise. I would argue he's a lot more subtly fucked up than Shirou and Ryougi who's abnormalities are easily indentifiable, he's just marginally better at masking as a normal person when he has to.

**reputation as a pleasant and mature person among his peers and popularity

Well it's meant to be like beautiful irony that AU Primate Murder would save a primate rather than murder one.

I think Shiki is more internally wrecked than other Type-Moon Protagonists, if not the most screwy of them all.

Hakuno, Ritsuka, and numerous others from miscellaneous works are all pretty vanilla, unless you count the train wreck Ritsuka from that tutorial manga. But that character's a gag. Aoko is well adjusted, but it's hard to count her as a Protagonist for some reason. At least to me. Ayaka's mostly just traumatized.

I personally don't like it myself but that's a pretty nice way to look at it man. Feels more meaningful that way.

No, Shiki as a character was a lot worse than Shirou.

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Nasu himself admitted that he fucked up with Shiki and basically had him tag along with the heroines.

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Ngl, I'm really fucking tired and there's so much wrong about that image I don't know where to begin. I can tell they at least actually read it but they misinterpreted a number of circumstances during those scenes as well as missed some very keypoints about Shiki's character intentionally being contradictory and self-denying as well as why the just living is wonderful aspect of his character isn't just crucial to him but the story of Tsukihime in it's entirety. Either way, I'm gonna save this and write a reply getting into this later when i get a nap in if this thread is still up hopefully. Also
>No, Shiki as a character was a lot worse than Shirou.
They're both great characters in their own individual ways and are extremely different from one another to the point the only reason to compare them at all is their instabilities and the fact they're from the same company. I don't know why everything has to be a contest of some sort.

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damn didnt know the manga had titties

Doing that would give Shiki an awful headache.

Yes. How thick that "clothing" is though depends on the game considering how different Shiki's personality can get past the first visual novel.

Maybe Angra Mainyu but idk.

did you even play hollow ataraxia? he like legit says he can kill any human even if they're like shiki and have mad skills

His curse can. There's a distinct difference between Angra and his curse, the curse being the real evils of the world while he's the husk it was born from.

What's up with Shiki? I remember in Akiha's route a part when crazy mode kicks in while he is in school and he keeps saying loner and unpopular. I actually wonder why he is considered weird, to be honest besides Satsuki's opinion on how Shiki has "two sides" you don't see his classmates talk about him.

They can sense that something is wrong with Shiki. That's where the whole loner thing comes from since no one can really pass a certain barrier that Shiki unconsciously puts up against other people. In order to get him to notice you, you need to either be a little unhinged (like his best friend or most of his harem) or be really assertive. He's far from being unpopular though. The girls in his class all love him and thanks to his general good conduct, there's no shortage of people who at least think decently of him.

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>esto el fin

It's not only that. He liked staying in Chaldea. He played tsun sometimes, but he still cared to keep an eye on all those people who were doing the best. Roman teased him a little when he stopped by to check how he was doing. When he says he was defeated without a single blow he means it, he was loved and cared as one of them. He was most attached to Mashu, but he honestly says Chaldea beat him.

They wrecked his home, though. Twice. He's nothing but loyal. He's livid with Merlin because he kicked him out and he wanted to stay there, he was cozy. He's really murderous with Tamamo Vitch. She was the one who was behind the invasion of Chaldea which killed more of his humans, and then she tortured him.