With VRAINS officially ending at episode 120. What are your final thoughts on Fuijki Yusaku as the? Did he live up to the name of King Of Games?
Episode 118: 無謀な提案 – Mubō na Teian (A Reckless Proposal) Playmaker barely manages to fend off Ai's attacks. Having found an opening, Playmaker attempts to launch an attack against Ai. However, Ai knows Playmaker inside and out, and can predict everything he will do. Ai then unites the feelings of all the Ignises, and brings about the advent of the ultimate Cyberse monster.
Episode 119: 壊れゆく自我 – Kowareyuku Jiga (A Broken Ego) Having learned about Ai's sorrow, Playmaker tries to convince him to stop the battle. However, Ai has already made up his mind, and won't back down no matter what. As the two's battle continues to rage on, Ai makes a proposal to Playmaker.
Script: 吉田伸 || Yoshida Shin Storyboard: 髙田昌宏 || Takada Masahiro Direction: 佐藤道拓 || Satou Michihiro Animation Director(s): Lee Sung-jin, Kang Hyeon-guk
Episode 120 (FINAL EPISODE): 繋がる世界 – Tsunagaru Sekai (A Connected World) Both Playmaker and Ai have come to acknowledge each other's ideals: the importance of connections to humans, and what an AI ultimately desires, respectively. The two then use everything they have left to settle their battle once and for all. Just how will their Duel conclude?
Boring main character. They hardly even push his Anti hero gimmick. It's like they remembered that this is a Shonen for kids and they can't push Yusaku this route since he's the main character
Bentley Long
Yugi had a 27 episode series once.
Luis Watson
At least they'll get a rest now. Especially Yusaku who pretty much had to solve EVERYTHING. In this show. Literally Jesus.
It could be three times better if it had a divine card.
Adrian Collins
I wish vrains was more batman beyond-ish in how it handled the depiction of the MC's life. Maybe it would've allowed more for yusaku as a character
Jace Taylor
No
Jack Taylor
>incidentkek oh no no no
Nathaniel Ward
Muy entretenido. Me reí.
Zachary Myers
With the way they were handling characters in Vrains, I doubt it.
Ian Powell
Why not exactly? Watching more people duel would have been better than seeing the same 3 people duel 3 or 5 times and still lead to nowhere. The lost incident children would have totally felt like the signers and they would actually have had something that tied them together.
I think they would have gotten us the same levels of excitement that any Takeru, Yusaku or Spectre duel ever did.
Oliver Rodriguez
It would have been more entertaining watching them job than watching Kengo or Emma job over and over again.
Daniel Brooks
Spectre duel did*
James Gutierrez
>These same 3 people dueling 3 or 5 times is better than these other 3 people dueling 3 or 5 times
Gabriel Watson
Miyu and Jin are actually cute and feel like more fit to fighting alongside Yusaku and Takeru. Emma and Blood Shepperd are boring looking and they feel forced to be in the team Yusaku.
Anime tag duels has always been messy with its rules since they always had their own fields and then they sometimes use cards that just flatout can't work in the real game. The Tyler Sisters duel in Arc-V should have been how Tag Duels are done, but then you get silly cards that has to force some sort of interactions between two incompatible decks
Kayden Price
They need to create a new cover monster.
Logan White
I mean they shoved soulburner in there pretty hard.
Jackson Thomas
A bit surprised that they didn't use the "driven into a corner" quote for Vrains' final batch of summaries.
Liam Hill
Where is the guy who was supposed to organize a new Vr/a/ins sings?
John Morgan
They've been very adamant about not having tag duels for a long time despite whatever tag opportunities may come out, so no, I didn't even think shoving SB around would have made it happen anyway
Dbh it looked like they were trying to find the fastest ways to cull characters by that point due to time limits
Andrew Diaz
Well they didn't and they still pushed Playmaker and Soulburner as a wonder pair.
Xavier Morris
Is this series even worth having one of those charts on what to watch and what to skip? I feel like you could just watch the beginning 4 episodes, skip to the revolver duel from season 1, skip to the Bowman duel at the end of season 2 and skip to the Ai duel in season 3 and you wouldn't really miss anything worth more than a paragraph of explanation.
Grayson Foster
I hate how close the OP made Takeru and Yusaku when in reality they were barely friends. Well in S2 at least. It wasn't until S3 started that Yusaku began to show some fellowship
Funny considering the last OP of VRAINS happened 100% and even used the same shots in the Anime. The ending is also a way for the writers to wrap up the characters and let the audience know they are doing ok in the end
Oh man, what the fuck is even gonna happen with MR5 now? Imagine if they blame Vrains's failure on the Links instead of the rules and they create bullshit rules that ruin Links like MR4 ruined Pendulums, Synchros and Xyz
Someone should make a timesaver list of just the better duels. Context doesnt matter too much to someone who just wants to see if vrains has anything to offer in duels but doesnt want to sink in 120 eps of time
>added the lost incident children in Maybe. The thing is Vrains lacked real enemies for the main cast. Which ended up with always Yusaku alone defeating the enemy and everyone else jobbing. Honestly it was fucking pathetic, especially Aoi, who went under 3 transformations and still couldn't do anything in the end. It was a shitshow really. Same with Go. Things would had been different if the real enemy was a massive organization with many sub bosses and all lost incident children were good duelists. But alone I doubt it would be too different. The other problem was the main cast lacked appeal I think. Some designs were awful. What the fuck were they thinking with Go?
Jordan Rogers
>it's a shitshow when everyone but the protagonist get things done You must really hate 5ds too.
Kevin Foster
atleast this wasn't as bad as arc V, but honestly i think i enjoyed Zexal alot more then this.
Nolan Myers
Wind Level 2 [ Cyberse / Effect ] You can target 1 other Cyberse monster you control that began the Duel in the Main Deck; return it to the hand, and if you do, Special Summon from your Deck 1 Cyberse monster with the same Level, but with a different name. You can only use this effect of "Garbage Collector" once per turn. ATK / 100 DEF / 1900
There was a god that defeated the god yusaku is based off of in the origin of sumo wrestling.
Henry Perez
>if the real enemy was a massive organization If only the show had some kind of large omnipresent corporation with a hierarchy of leaders established in the first episode
Benjamin Parker
I hope there would be a lot more dynamic monster interactions in the next series, I understand why Vrains couldn't have reached as high as some as the previous series as the manpower just wasn't there for it, so hopefully they can sort shit out and get the action in high energy again
SOL seemed like that at the start with the chess pieces, being only the Bishop, Knight and Rook that spoke to Zaizen, while the King and Queen just appeared when the formers were discussing behind the scenes. Wonder when they decided to massively change things.
Camden Rogers
>as high as some as the previous series Really trying to cover those bases, I see.
But 5Ds did what that user wanted to see in Vrains. 5Ds had a lot of personal rivalries between the characters and the duels there actually had some meaning besides the "defeat the villain of the turn" thing that Vrains did.
Daniel Taylor
>a lot of personal rivalries I only wanted that for Go. Otherwise it should be trying to defeat the villains.
Hudson Ramirez
That is one tough Kuriboh.
Christopher Nelson
He seems much happier on female cast shows Hes never coming back
Go had that little quarrel with Yusaku, but it didn't work well because Yusaku never gave a fuck about him, so it was just a one-sided thing. There were hints of more rivalities, imho. For example, at the beginning it looked like Spectre had some kind of undisclosed past with Aoi, but they never did anything with it. Like seriously to this day I never knew why Spectre choose to meddle into Aoi's business, in first place.
Adam Myers
It seemed more like something to do with the blue angel story character itself and how specter hated what she symbolized but both got sidelined hard anyway. And the show is fine with specter remaining a sociopath I guess because revolver is good now and he does whatever revolver does
Angel Perry
nice art but what's up with that zooming and not actually showing the sword go through?
Luis Anderson
Absolutamente basado.
Carter Morales
At the end of the day, autistcucks live up to their name. Chadmaker is better off with anyone else than that blue slut.
Dylan Howard
He has a connected future with AIs.
Brody Nguyen
>spic memes
though I have to admit that this is pretty good
Landon Mitchell
Honestly, Aoi probably should have just been Miyu. A Lost Incident child that developed into the Blue Angel persona as a means of coping. Her insistence upon alleviating the hearts of others when her own heart is shackled in darkness could have been what made Spectre despise her, and her effectiveness at inspiring/relieving others (outside of himself) could have made him admire her, thereby giving him conflicting feelings towards Aoi that mostly rounded out toward: "I want to destroy this."
Jonathan Thompson
Huh no one ships Yusaku with Aoi anymore. Can't believe Yoshida made a full show with no sexual tension between the MC and MG. Don't know if thats good or not
What do you mean? Yusaku is just a retard when it comes to romantic shit. And there's no shipping to talk about right now.
Julian Sanchez
kek. I think I saw that glitch before.
Charles Rodriguez
Not everything is supposed to revolve around the lost incident. Otherwise they would have brought up the torture on a more consistent basis. A lot of the conflict centered on things happening post incident.
Jace Mitchell
I know, I know, I'm just saying that's one way they could have explained it. Lazier, but easier.
David Lee
eldctrumite is legit glitched in the game Konami can't even make games properly anymore
Yusaku is a pretty boring and inconsistent character in large part because the writers didn't know what to do with him. He was a complete fucking asshole in Season 1 but mellowed after after the first half of Season 1. Then he became "friendship and comrades" in Season 2+.
None of VRAINS's cast outside of Revulva and maybe Soulburner are memorable.
Eli Ross
>None of VRAINS's cast outside of Revulva and maybe Soulburner are memorable. Based but actually true as much as it pains me to say
Not that the cast was particularly big in the first place, since they seemed deathly afraid of episodes about stuff other than the main threat of the season.
Ryan Cox
So what's the next summoning method going to be? Am I going to be able to put my fusion, synchro and xyz monsters in the main monster zone again? That's all I care about.
Carson Evans
They're only shut up now because they're cucked by Yoshida.
Jordan Young
>Borreload Furios not appearing in the anime >Borreload not getting a link 5 or 6 >Link 5 appearing so late >No link 6,7 and 8 >Bohman as the ultimate villain >No villain like Zorc,Darkness,Z-ONE or Don Thousand, >7 recaps >Not 146 episodes >no autismlove >interactless characters >Episode 84 and 85 not being the duel from 116 and 117 >Flame dying >vrainfags claiming that its all arcv fault >delusion autists still claing arcv is the worst and having a meltdown if their favorite series is insulted >favorite
Truly, the worst series. Ygo 7 better be better.Sad
Man, Link summon was so lame that it didn't even have an upgrade like former methods.
Joseph Ramirez
Either itll stay with links for 3 more years bc to any normies or kids the list of summoning methods heightens barrier of entry with each addition, or the next one will be a lot more restricted in use and less impactful on the game
Justin Parker
There's multiple recap episodes but other than that everything is part of the main story. VRAINS is the most plot dependent YGO show with no filler and a fast pace. There's episodes w/o duels that are there to advance the plot and duel episodes take 2 episodes to complete.
Anthony Thompson
S2. It was obvious that originally SOL Technologies was going to be the big bad but something changed during production of S2 that they rushed things to have the final battle with Ai which I think was how they planned to end the series akin to the Ceremony Duel of the original YGO.
Brayden Cruz
Vrainlets more like episodlets.
Adam Diaz
It was a different age.
Aaron Anderson
God I miss the actual good virtual reality series.
Being allergic to at least some fluff is what really did vrains in. Outside of what, recaps and two brave max episodes, the show operated on an entirely linear track with the same basic structure each season.
Joshua Allen
They will come back to life, in a new merged world where both Humans and Ai can co exist.
>official konami poll >zarc wins Vrainlets on suicide watch
Jonathan Torres
kek
Landon Rodriguez
Based and pendulum pilled
Juan Ross
Vrainbros.. were the Nico ratings all a fluke... Is it possible that actually.. Arc-V is remembered fondly by everyone?
We're truly a doomed cause
Brayden Stewart
Ai really love all the Ai puns.
Landon Hall
The anime has been bad for 5 years because the nips deserve it
Kevin Phillips
where is my tournanent arc
Hunter Carter
Why is there no good Yugioh fanfiction? I can only think of one or two that were well written. The rest are mainly written by fujoshi.
Ayden Powell
What do you mean? There's plenty of CaC out there.
Alexander Reyes
I had a dream in which Vrains received a new series for it to have a tournament.
Thomas Jenkins
Not gonna post that poll?
John Davis
He's inconsistent in the move from s1 to s2, but from s2 onwards he is suddenly and consistently the mouthpiece for the wisdom of mankind and always correct. Because all he needed to become the local wise sage was to resolve his grudge I guess
Austin Clark
I felt that the best Playmaker is when he is excessively confident saying things like his dueling always win and being the opposite of past YGO MC.
I hope the personalities of characters are bigger next series. Not in an annoying way, but like a lot more individualized and with better one liners thrown at each other once in while.
Austin Cooper
>skip to the Bowman duel at the end of season 2 That duel is awful. You could probably recommend the recap episode at the start of season three over the entirety of season two.
I'm getting Bakemonogatari intentional anti-climax humor vibes from this
If only Vrains had a budget and a pornographic fixation on 10(,000) year olds.
Angel Murphy
Define "good fanfiction". Also I don't know why there is so much complaining about fujoshi here when half these threads are cringey shipping shit. I guess as long as it's a straight crackship it's okay?
Christian Baker
What a last duel. Seeing her brother die, and laying in piss, and being told to give up dueling.
Because it symbolized the Lost Incident. Only time he did it after Season 1 was against Bohman because he brought it up again and in response he specified Revolver was the one who kidnapped him and not Kogami.
Jonathan Cook
Lightning really should have been the one to absorb Bohman at the end of S2, instead of what happened.
Elijah Carter
>Only time he did it after Season 1 Nah it was more times than that. He did it vs Earth too. Though I agree that it was a coping mechanism for the lost incident. Once he put the past behind him by end of S1 he slowly said it less and less until he totally stopped.
David Flores
Custom cards. He's memeing you.
Jace Jones
battle network is not virtual reality.
Lincoln Carter
>vs Earth Forgot about that to be honest. And I recall he did it once at the hot dog truck too by the start of the Season.
Ryan Scott
>and laying in piss, and being told to give up dueling. fanfic writing retard.
Charles Lee
I liked watching lightning because he was so bent on getting what he wants and showed it It turns out that an anti buddha like bohman isnt very easy to make engaging when his whole schtick is detached transcendence
Aiden Nelson
Yea Forums can't stand fujo ships even though some of them have more chemistry than the "canon" straight pairings.
Ritual isn't bad at all. Also meteorburst and quantum have different purposes.
Exceed and excharge are mediocre, the latter more so
Cameron Myers
Now let's take a look at the previous heroine's last duels >Mai After being stupid because of some mental issues she beats Joey, has a mental breakdown, challenges Rafael and loses off screen without him even breaking a sweat
In canon, thanks to Joey's lie she has a tantrum and tries to beat the already defeated Marik with his own God card as a final fuck you only to get mind raped for her trouble, she then completely disappears from the series with no mention of her by Joey or anyone.
>Asuka Final duel in the series is a tag duel between her,Judai and their kouhai and rather than the duel it's more about repairing Judai's relationship with her only for him to leave before she gets a chance to confess her love for him.
>Aki Her last duel in the series is a handicap duel between her and Crow against Sherry and it leads to her suddenly having developed healing powers effectively putting an end to her "I hate myself because my powers can only cause people pain" angst, just like Asuka her love is one sided
>Kotori Not a duelist, Yuma will put a baby in her and then abandon her like the fujoshi bait that he is to go world traveling like his daddy and mommy did.
>Yuzu Her last duel was against random fodder with her shota teacher and she effectively put into a plot box until the very last few seconds of the show, she may get Yuya dick but she has to share with the other 3 versions of her and the other 3 versions of him
Yeah, this franchise is not kind to female duelists.
Caleb Martinez
2 is an upgrade over 3 and so on. Individual monsters didn't have much upgrading though.
Liam Diaz
It's a pet peeve of mine for VRAINS. Like, look at the latest episode >Garbage Collector still pops out of a hexagon >Flame Bufferlo still pops out of a hexagon >Flame Bufferlo still dissolves >Sea Archiver still pops out of a hexagon
William Perez
>Clock> Vortex >Quantum>Meteorburst People actually played Vortex and Meteorburst.
They have different purpose. Meteorburst is an extender and has been used in D/D/D as well. Vortex is cheesed out with guardragons
Jacob Garcia
That's not Bakura and Malik the gayest couple in Yugioh.
John Evans
I'm trying to point out the whole "as a friend" thing that never really happened.
Carson Butler
Atem sees Kaiba as a friend and Kaiba is willing to actually die and break the laws of space-time to beat Atem at a card game. That's LIKE friendship...I guess?
Zachary Foster
>A Broken Ego Phew for a second I read >A Broken Egao
Chase Campbell
Bakura and Marik have more romantic chemistry than Aoi and Yusaku. Prove me wrong.
Adrian Morales
Did they ever fuck
Landon Russell
Bakura didn't get "chemistry".
Carson Lewis
Yes, they have a kid in the epilogue
Parker Lopez
Ai has more romantic chemistry with yusaku and hes an AI in a robot
Jayden Ramirez
KEK
Logan Cox
Having Players become monsters on the field and using life points for the new summoning method
Jose King
You're all welcome to hang out with us over at /dlg/ on /vg/. Duel Links is a free mobile game where you can play with over 5000 cards and battle fellow duelists from across the world.
Based, bro. I hope Quickdraw and the other drawfags move there as well.
Luis Rodriguez
Wasnt Yuzus last duel the one where she crashes into a building? I dont remember her dueling afterwards.
Hudson Thompson
She had a short Battle Royale with Sora against Security afterwards, but I wouldn't count it as a legit Duel to start with mainly because Security and Sora already had lots of monsters out while she just had her starting hand.
Lincoln Price
So what will Konami do with the 2 core booster packs that come after VRAINS ends but before the next series begins? They don't have an Anime to pump out new cards to shill.
Wyatt Reed
>give her wins >don't adapt interactions actually important to her role
Maybe Konami will FINALLY give us Drones and other Anime archetypes used by characters not in the core cast. Or they'll just shove in every single Yusaku and Revolver card that hadn't been printed yet.
>>Yuzu >Her last duel was against random fodder with her shota teacher and she effectively put into a plot box until the very last few seconds of the show, she may get Yuya dick but she has to share with the other 3 versions of her and the other 3 versions of him I still don't understand why Yuya dueled against brainwashed Serena and Ruri when it would have been far more dramatic for him to duel against brainwashed Yuzu and Ruri.
Kayden Torres
The cast's backlog from Season 3 for the January Set, and a preview of YGO 7 for the April one, along with a bit of remaining Vrains backlog,
Xavier King
Wow thanks, I was already planning on going there but is nice to have an invitation. Arigatou Kaiba San
Henry Mitchell
>she may get Yuya dick but she has to share with the other 3 versions of her and the other 3 versions of him >Implying that's bad One pair is already dating and the other is into each other. The only ones who lose in this situation are Joeri and Serena for being Gay
Why did they even bother giving Revolver so many lame generic dragons instead of focusing solely on Rokkets?
Hudson Howard
What went wrong? Why did Konami put no effort in releasing Anime cards not used by main characters unlike in Zexal and Arc-V despite the fact that Vrains' cast was so much smaller?
Oliver Perez
He's a rival so he gets many and varied cards.
Landon Watson
>Forgetting about the Gouki, Altergeist and Marincess cards introduced this season come on, pay attention, they got their backlog ready for next year
Gabriel Adams
What an ugly archetype
Carson Parker
As others have said, there's enough of a backlog to last 6 months. I'm curious about what the cover cards will be. My guess is whatever new super awesome shiny boss monsters that Yusaku and Ai whip out at the end.
I legitimately don't know what was going on here, its like there was no communication between the card designers or something
Jeremiah Johnson
Not much where to go with Rokkets. Sniping from the hand? OP. Banishing from GY? No Rokket hits the GY so that could have been. Banishing from the field? Powercreeps previously stablished Rokkets. Different effects like Recharger, Synchron and Tracer? No need to destroy their theme of being just bullets more.
Jayden Johnson
Maybe it's precisely of the smaller cast that they want to drag things out more to ensure they have stuff to release later down the line.
Michael Reyes
The weirdest thing to me is that during Arc-V, the Booster Special Packs had 2 Anime themes and then 1 OCG theme. But come Vrains, the Deck Build Packs that replaced them only had OCG themes, no Anime themes even though that would have been the perfect way to introduce many of the cards the Anime put so much effort into shilling. Seriously, I would have much rather had Drones, Sunavalons and Armatos Legio than Fur Hires, Prankids and all the other forgettable Deck Build Pack decks.
William Smith
Collector's Pack Fuel
David Hughes
So no yu-gi-oh anime until 2020?
Gabriel Fisher
WHY ONE OF THEM IS DABBING HOLY SHIT REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Except the most developed of the vrains anime-only archetypes have way too many cards to print out and konami does not seem to want to increase the pack size of that.
Gabriel Martin
I wish Collection Packs came out twice a year instead of once a year.
Jaxon Nelson
I want to see Konami try to print out the hell that is Hydradrives lmao
ANY OF THE ACTUAL LOST INCIDENT KIDS ACUALLY DOING SHIT INSTEAD OF THE OTHER JOBBERS NO ONE CARES ABOUT
Blake Gutierrez
Poor deluded fool. Havent you noticed how they are deliberately ONLY printing @Ignisters in the October set. Just so they dont have to print new archetypes in January and instead they can say 'see we havent forgotten about Goukis and Altergeists'
Kevin Bennett
goukis and altergeists this next one then the others the other set.
Andrew Perez
Honestly, I don't know, something like Go vs Aoi, Aoi vs Akira, and Revolver vs Ai were implied at some point to have been a possibility, but I don't think they'd have followed up on it regardless if it was cut short or not.
Ethan Butler
lol, no, there's only room for Ignisters in IGAS
Isaiah Cox
they'll be putting be something else than @ignisters in this next one even if it's only one other anime archetype.
Eli Brown
Kek, I come from /dlg/ and was just memeing, is there really a dark form of Revolver?
Daniel Peterson
Left one is S1 Revolver, when he was the main antagonist of Vrains' first arc.
This series centered more on science-fiction and eschewed the supernatural elements of previous series, so KOKORO NO YAMI would feel out of place.
Carter Robinson
>that's like Yoshida's favorite theme I think Yoshida's favorite theme is Hopu vs Despair. He used that philosophy as a central point in Zexal, the Zexal manga and the Arc-V manga.
shout out to any Noh eps not listed, and episodes 101-102
Nolan Jones
This is the shortest Yu-Gi-Oh! show to date. Even Zexal had more episodes.
Ethan White
Watch YGO7 have even less episodes than Vrains when NAS and Studio Gallop are focusing on YGO8 later.
Tyler Cook
TSUKIKO A CUTE!
Aiden Scott
>zarc wins Because Zarc was a good final boss, no matter how much people here shit on him. He was foreshadowed since the S2 and it was ominous and overwhelm enough that you could actually believe why he BTFO so many duelists in the same fight. And he was a perfect Yu-Gi-Oh! final boss that got all the requirements checked, even if that season was atrocious.
Considering we need to be as generic as possible with how low Link set the bar, sacrificing specific card types from either your hand or field to bring out something from the Extra Deck (ex: combine a monster and a spell to bring out a monster from the ED).
Charles Robinson
>combine a monster and a spell to bring out a monster from the ED So Fusion with one material?
Anthony Garcia
Yes, you can also do it with a spell or trap to bring out something else. We need to be as generic as we can get.
Adam Gutierrez
>spell or trap meant to write spell AND trap.
Juan White
How about no. Also, who could have been a better final boss than Zarc? Leo was lame as fuck, Reiji becoming suddenly evil couldn't have work considering he was always a good guy and he created the Lancers in first place. That Doctor guy? He was a literally who and didn't even duel once, so who was left?
That effect it's kinda irrelevant in the Links era, anyway.
based on the polls dm>arcv>gx>5ds>vrains>zexal based and all is right in the
Michael Ward
world
Sebastian Perry
Every time I see this posted I keep seeing Yu-Gi-Oh! VIRGINS.
Luis Smith
Yes. The first series didn't have a tournament arc either. We need a gauntlet arc.
Gavin Butler
your not wrong though waiting for chad ygo 7
Elijah Carter
Those are some high levels of self consciousness, bro.
Bentley Wright
ebic
Hunter Wright
How many of us arent virgins?
Nicholas Price
I mean, you're not wrong.
Jose Campbell
This is nu-Yea Forums, and vr/a/ins is made up of mostly crossboarders, so about 90%.
Samuel Flores
You are obsessing over it too much, user. It is not that bad that you are still one.
Ryan Martin
To think VRAINS really managed to be worse than ARC-V...
Easton Johnson
t. didn't watch arc-V
Aiden Morris
Did you actually watch arcV? You sound like all of your data comes from memes.
Christian Ward
They were both pretty bad. Whether one is worse than the other is which you find the bigger issue: a good show with a lot of promise completely dropping the ball and then shitting its pants in front of everybody (Arc-V) or a boring show that never even bothered to try to pick up the ball (Vrains)
Jordan Hernandez
Yeah, both are bad on their own terms. Arc-V was the definition of a trainwreck while Vrains was as exciting as a wet fart.
Juan Bell
Except none of them are bad. The characters are great looking and the duels are most of the time great to watch. How about you take some time and watch it instead of just repeating meme opinions?
Watched both series btw, the laziest form of argument on the internet is pretending your opponent hasn't read/watched something. It is intellectually braindead
The revisionist world where Arc-V and Vrains weren't panned through most of their runtimes
Daniel Reed
How about not pretending that arc v and vrains dont fall short even by the standards of previous yugioh series. Especially when it comes to character relationships ever since arc v's hotels
Yet when you ask any yugioh thread about the anime they say: hurr durr keep watching you have to watch the first 30 episodes before dropping a season
Jackson Edwards
Normally I'd pick trainwreck as a lesser and more entertaining evil but I cant condone arc v's cynical attitude towards duels, the very premise of yugioh, for a good portion of fusion arc. Vrains just kinda forgets characters or drops them when not really knowing what to do with them, but arc v was a lot more flippant about taking a dump on it's own cast.
That doesnt mean anyone has to listen to that. Most average anons taking all of Yea Forums into account wouldnt tolerate that at all, since there's probably plenty of normal 1-3 cour anime much better suited to them
Andrew Peterson
I hope the next one has motion duels as well, it's the only excuse they have for constantly changing backgrounds.
>arc v's cynical attitude towards duels You mean how many of their outcomes didn't really matter and the plot would often march on regardless of who won?
Hunter Moore
Field spells I think moving backgrounds are dumb if it means we get uninspired rolling hanna barbera bgs most of the time instead of more distinct set pieces for duels
Jackson Campbell
Yeah. Maybe vrains did it too I dont really remember but not to the same consistently egregious level
Zachary Thomas
I'd settle for just letting Field Spells affect the background again.
Eli Stewart
They're going to force crazy changing moving backgrounds in anyhow.
Unfortunately yuya only became more intolerable or annoying with the passing of time so I dont think you're alone. I didnt like at all that any other entame duelist were in that entame mode throughout their duels but for some reason yuya only bothered when he was about to win. Seems like a glaring oversight on how he comes across to viewers
Jonathan Hernandez
I am on ep 101 and Yuya feels fun for the most time. I don't get what the butthurt over ep 92 is. It was a little disappointing after the hype but nothing to lose your head over. Maybe shippers wanted Yuzu to reunite with Yuya already?
Ryan Green
192884673 It's not shitposting just because someone thinks a part of vrains is worse than other parts
Blake Robinson
We could make entire essays about the psychology of Yuya, but personally I think he was an alright character until his duel with Yoko, when he developed the typical EGAO mentality that people here hate so much. And with good reason, what kind of mother says to his son to only laugh instead of letting the feelings flow? That's not healthy. And that's the reason why Yuzu will be a better mom for Yuya than Yoko.
Logan Cook
You were posting that vrains fans wouldn't say that the duel where go's character was established was good. And I have good reason to believe that's not true.
Elijah Barnes
Maybe studio gallop simply doesnt have it in them anymore despite their efforts. There are other studios whose best days are years behind them now and havent able to match that. Or ones that just up and died like manglobe because anime is a tough industry
Lincoln Carter
I'm meh on vrains and actually like several characters but go himself just feels like one of the bigger awkward misfits on the show and doesnt contribute much outside of brain hack memes. Why does it matter so much that duel established go when go himself isnt of much consequence or value
Yeah, Go feels like one of those mooks who duel the protagonist for one episode and then are forgotten after that.
Jackson Sanders
>Why does it matter so much that duel established go when go himself isnt of much consequence or value Every card game anime need a petty and obsessive character who only cares about victory. I don't think any of the other obsessive characters quite go the length he does to try to win.
Evan Hernandez
Not really, or at least he's on par with Blue Angel, both were stars of Link Vrains that took the mantle of responsability to protect it from the Knights of Hanoi, the difference is that Aoi managed to grow from her defeat in a positive way, while Go threw everything away for power.
Easton Lewis
I kinda get not wanting your son to become warped or something but at the same time the situation warranted some alarm and anger when someone's CHILD or friend that you personally know goes MISSING, and it's confirmed malicious people are/were somewhere around. But yoko got dwarfed by later problems
Camden Bell
Aoi's place in the show is kind of awkward as well tho. But at least she has her relationship with Akira who was connected to Sol that had some kind of arc, including resolving issues as siblings. Go resolves his issues mostly off screen
Luke Peterson
Other than killing earth (which to bohman didnt matter for some reason, bc specter I guess) what consequences did he hold for the plot?
Lincoln Diaz
I blame the tonal shift were they abandoned the whole Link Vrains celebrity setting. (Which by the way was really good, since these characters were a good foil to Yusaku's personality) I mean the episodes where Go turns heel and Yusaku taunts him were really enjoyable. But I guess VRAINS had to pay for Arc-V's sins and the entertainer stuff was too close to it.
Jack Nguyen
pushing neo storm access. plus his arc is apart of the plot.
Tyler Hill
Killing earth was very consequential to Ai's evolving hatred for humans though.
Cameron Rodriguez
You're trying to make the argument that being a relevant episode equals good but that's not true. Even if hypothetically go was a lot more integrated and important to the show, I still think his very first duel is not good and I wouldnt reccomend to someone who would ask for a list of top 10 or even top 20 duels in vrains
Michael Edwards
I would, the wrestling gimmick made it unique, I enjoyed it.
Kayden Hernandez
Which is a gimmick done much better in his duel vs dna doctor
Landon Perez
How Ai's plan has more to do with what he wants for AI, not humanity specifically. To bohman and lightning they didnt care
Chase Richardson
I told you I thought the ring thing was interesting, and goukis are fun to look at that. Besides I wouldn't make a top ten list to watch because those duels usually have pre established context, especially in vrains, where here's no real casual duels.
Noah Thompson
That tackles a heel turn, not just wrestling. It's definitely a follow up duel.
Landon Powell
I think keeping the entertainer thing while combining it with current Yusaku could've been interesting. Take Lost Incident PTSD Yusaku and have him get wrapped up in the world and shenanigans of the resident Vrains celebrities often against his will. Remember when Blue Angel challenged him and his manhood or how he got wrapped up in a bout of manliness in his first Go fight. More stuff like that with some more colorful characters could've been interesting.
Jayden Sanchez
That doesnt say anything about if they actually did it well in the first duel, which I dont think they did. But considering the circumstances is understandable
Gavin Gray
>delusion autists still claing arcv is the worst It is though. It's just the worst for different reasons than Vrains
James Gomez
He'll be revived.
Jason Long
That's what I expected from VRAINS when I started watching, but as I said, after Arc-V's reception VRAINS was fated to suffer from this.
Zachary Parker
Yusaku def was more entertaining when he was more abrasive. If only they were able to use that better
Blake Hall
>So who was left Leo could be written better instead of being yet another ">muh ruri" Alternatively, Punished Roget. He could hijack the Arc-V machine to make himself a final boss tier deck or something.
Sebastian Nelson
>Yusaku and Go's ace monsters continually clash without destroying each other until one of them falls down. It totally did, they even animated them in a ring fighting. That's what anime Yugioh should strive for. Another fight that thematically represents their characters is Yusei against Aki in the Fortune Cup, most notably Stardust Dragon embracing BRD.
Connor Harris
Aoi deserved better. I hope at least we see her as Blue angel again at the end.
Is okay for me to say I totally hate Hydradives now?
Michael Morris
Some say Yuki Nakashima became too busy because of idol work to play a bigger role.
Aaron Hall
>Because Zarc was a good final boss I don't even think you believe this
>And he was a perfect Yu-Gi-Oh! final boss that got all the requirements checked Yeah I remember when Yuya dueled Zarc in a big final battle oh wait no
Andrew King
I dont think they're comparable at all since the latter went a lot deeper into Aki's history as well plus the psychic dueling concept that would come up later for a bit I didn't enjoy go's first duel and it was immediately dwarfed by the ones afterwards in the first cour
Xavier Collins
It depends on what you consider worse, a show with a great setup that started with all the potential in the world and fucked it up or a show that stayed at a consistent tone but that tone was ultimately not very engaging and wasted potential in a different way
Alexander Brooks
They're comparable in a way that the card game is a medium to show an exchange between characters.
John Parker
Synchro is where the whole TRAPPED IN HOTEL ROOMS and FUCKING SHINJI memes started. It was already there. It just got exacerbated by how nothing the arc was
Nicholas Flores
I think the latter is less malicious to viewers in the grand scheme of things. Easier to decide early on if it's not for them and ignore
Anthony Rodriguez
This is understandable due to how YGO series are 3 years and the jump between arc quality can be ridiculous. Do you know how many people get turned off by GX's first episodes and have to be coerced into watching the rest with nothing but "no no, it gets better" just as an example?
Caleb Ortiz
After Action duels and Speed duels, I never want to see motion again. Just give us good quality standing duels again like Zexal
Matthew Rogers
I think Yuya was fine at first, but like the show, he eventually becomes pure shit
Jonathan Sanchez
>but personally I think he was an alright character until his duel with Yoko So like the show, everything went downhill with Smile World.
Remember when we actually thought Yuya's EGAO philosophy was like a big setup for him eventually realizing he can't do that with everyone around him (beginning of Synchro) and hypocritical because of his berserk mode? Man we were so naive
Aiden Fisher
Yeah I think the only duel setpieces I can distinctly remember are from the standing duels. Bohman a shit but the giant statues set above the clouds was a cool idea.
Wyatt Watson
>they can't remember the tower of hanoi This is just confusing.
Tyler Scott
I remember the tree guy
Jackson Watson
Which yusaku and revolver had a standing duel with for the finale Most of the time it's generic rolling backgrounds in speed duels which gets monotonous.
Jaxson Stewart
Is it bad I frequently rewatch GX's first two cours?
Gabriel Gutierrez
>GX shortened because of KENN >Carly changed the entirety of 5D's >Kotori in every episode because of her VA. >Reiji's role shortened because of Hosoyan being busy in Gundam >Spectre axed because of his VA >now Aoi appearently also too
At this point it would be better if Manga became the main medium for spin-offs. At least there wouldn't be problems regarding to voice actors.
Eli Russell
Not really because you already know what GX is like and how it gets better. First timers don't know that which is why GX sort of killed the anime's popularity in the West
Nathan James
I dont think reiji can be chalked up to his va. That's his main job and it's not like yuki kaji has trouble showing up everywhere
Justin Myers
what happen to spectre's guy?
Logan Ward
He didn't say a single word in S3, something must be up
Christian Thomas
his main gig is stage acting or something
Benjamin Hill
He got deleted by Ai along the other hanoi, did you skip the first eps of S3?
Carter Cooper
to be honest i forgot he even existed in season 3.
Ian Rivera
What? It's just some questionable casting choices.
Brody Harris
>influence how the show goes >just some little casting problems thats all
Jeremiah Ortiz
>I showed you my dragon duel me!
Isaiah Baker
>Most of the time it's generic rolling backgrounds in speed duels which gets monotonous. They'll break out into generic backgrounds in standing duels to pretend there's more motion than there actually is.
Yeah, not all actors are always available. Producers probably didn't know Kenn and Nakashima were going to hit on something bigger than yugioh.
Kayden Powell
I think it would be better for the anime if the characters were voiced by literally whos that were truly in compromise with the project instead of high profile VAs that are absent half the time.
Jonathan Walker
>using dm as a representative example of all spin offs Gradient backgrounds being used to save some time diesnt change what the actual setpiece is when the bg is clearly shown
Jason Jenkins
MCs are usually voiced by literalwhos. Not sure about KENN, but I don't think he was famous before Judai.
Jack Robinson
Judai was KENN's first anime role
Julian Ross
Aoi's seiyuu was apparently dealing with her management company shutting down and transitioning to a new one. Not 100% sure if true
Levi Bennett
Obviously I'm not saying it's to the same for every series, but I do get the feeling they tend towards having shit move constantly. That's why there's so many summons that aren't just materialization.
>it's not like yuki kaji has trouble showing up everywhere Isn't he a dedicated voice actor? I don't think I've heard of him for anything else.
Elijah James
>Spectre axed because of his VA Wasn't Mieru also axed in Arc-V for her VA as well?
Ryan Bennett
And I'm saying they come up with better set pieces with standing duels a majority of the time. When everything is in motion all the time options are much more limited and kept relatively simple to be easy rolling bgs. There's a difference between that and occasionally incorporating speedlines or whatever to help convey a moment of action
Joshua Roberts
Having your company shut down is a pretty valid excuse to not be that sure about whatever contract obligations you had under that comapny
Liam Wood
Specter's va is mostly involved with a diff industry, not a comparable situation when other popular vas have no issue getting around with multiple shows
Kayden Reyes
I bet this shitshow didn't even have duel spirits. It seems like every show that doesn't show duel spirits or downplays them will turn out to be shit (5Ds, ARC-V, Vrains)
Samuel Evans
Pokemon could afford Aoi Yuuki for like 150 episodes and 3 movies. Yu-Gi-Oh couldn't even do it for 10 episodes? I guess NAS was really greedy.
Angel Rogers
5ds explicitly pointed out duel spirits, they simply werent important Maybe one could say meklords were apocalyptic duel spirits
Juan Gomez
zexal had duel spirits?
Carter Wood
Rua and Ruka had constantly their lifes saved by Regulus and their other fairy tale monsters. They were important if you cucks didn't skip episodes.
Connor Reed
even popular seiyuu dont cost much at all compared to total cost of production. If they didnt want to pay they wouldnt hire since theres so many other seiya vying for an opportunity Video games is where the real money is for voice acting
Isaac Jones
Yuma's Gagagas, Baby Tiragon, Shark's Shark Drake, Rainbow Kuriboh, etc. Every Number, actually. Number 96 is also technically one and he is a major villain
Oliver Cruz
And? It's objectively true that the duel spirits concept in 5ds were a small footnote at best, the conflicts didn't involve them in a major way
Jaxson Walker
No, this time cards are just that: simple cards. And the monster were no more than just mere holograms.
Zarc could talk to his dragons, so Duel Spirits definitely existed in that universe.
Andrew King
That's why I said downplayed. I was actually surprised by that bit but it's still pretty minor
Jacob Young
>I guess NAS was really greedy They still are, why do you think Vrains only will have 120 episodes?
Lincoln Ward
That's not unwillingness to pay when they've had no issues with doing so for all these years, that's unwillingness to continue a torturous production
Elijah Rivera
Oh that reminds me, Yusaku never saw the Cyberse World proper, but I guess he couldn't anyway considering it got destroyed
Aiden King
Even the shitiest project can run well if there is enough money involved.
William Hughes
It depends on what their setting is. Many of them opt for plain cities a lot of the time.
Jack Lopez
And Crimson Dragon is what exactly?
Joseph Gray
Who, yuki kaji or hosoya? I'm saying both are primarily anime VAs as their jobs and neither have had issues in the past of doing multiple shows iirc. It doesnt take that long to record for one show out of all the hours of the week It's not like kenn who also had singing or aoi's va doing idol things
Brandon Sanchez
I'm sure Shuiesha has a hand in budgeting so NAS wouldn't be the only one deciding that.
Adam Bennett
>muh budget Doesnt help much when studios who could help out are already booked for up to a year or 2 years in advance and have contracts to fulfill
Nolan Green
I was just bringing up the reason he's so everywhere, perhaps it was redundant to do so.
Jose Long
A normal anime god, was never a card in the anime. Duel spirits in 5ds were distinctly of a completely different dimension
Juan Peterson
>Duel spirits in 5ds were distinctly of a completely different dimension Wait, isn't 5Ds a sequel to DM and GX? Duel spirits were pretty common in both
Lucas Thompson
They were there in 5ds but not nearly as important as in gx
Eli Peterson
Yes, but in both DM and GX the spirits were in the normal world. The other dimension thing, as shown in the Doma Arc in DM and in Season 3 in GX, was more of the spirits being tangible beings
Aiden King
>Manga became the main medium for spin-offs. Then you would have adaptation problems.
Justin Gutierrez
Not every set is going to be great but there are higher highs in creativity when standing duels are an easier format to do layouts for and less limiting for design Why is this concept so difficult to grasp
Elijah Clark
The setpieces are constrained by the setting more than motion. The only way to get around this is introducing plot points that loosen the constraint. Usually VR or alternate dimensions. Which at this point are probably both sort of dry.
Grayson Torres
Field!
Spells!
Matthew Kelly
YEAH I'M SURE THE FUCKING SIGNER DRAGONS WHICH THE SERIES IS NAMED AFTER WERE NOT IMPORTANT.
FUCKING RETARD, your mental capacity is non existant.
Luis Cooper
Field spells are useful sometimes but they don't want the duels to be uniform which is often why they go without.
Nolan Stewart
Their status as servants of a south american god combating other south american gods was way more prominent outside of ruka's dragon than being tied to the monster spirit dimension
Juan Myers
Even in zexal though they found ways to vary up the sets in the first half (which took place in the city) whether or not field spells were involved from the start
Brody Lopez
Retard Ancient Fairy Dragon was a fucking spirit just as any other signer dragon, or do you think suddenly actual gods were involved? You absolute fucking braindead retard, why do you think they're tied to cards in the first place??
I can't believe I have to share a thread with dumbfucks like yourself spewing shit they know jackshit about. Next time shut the fuck up.
The crimson dragon is a literal god in the 5ds universe though. Its divine status takes precedence over how it chooses to manifest its powers.
Nathan Sanchez
I don't think Yugi was talking about the past (although he may have been referring to the closing chapters of Duelist Kingdom, but I doubt it), I think he was saying that going forward, he would like for them to be friends, since they actually have a lot in common, like loving games, respecting the skillfulness of the other, etc.
Jacob Gonzalez
>watching i'm going back to the tcg to try and become better until ygo7
Evan Taylor
Yeah I'm sure that's why an actual god can only manifest itself through cards and his sworn enemies can also only manifest in cards.
If it doesn't get spoonfed to you in the most direct way possible it didn't happen huh? For fuck sake.
Oliver Williams
The speed duel bgs are a lot more samey with each other outside of a few cases when link vrains being destroyed is involved
Jack Torres
Im gonna buy a Switch together with Link Evolution. Hopefully, by the time YGO7 starts Konmai completes the VRAINS era
Card games in yugioh spin offs are an extension of the dm concept of ancient magicians using it as a format to manifest their own powers. If that's why combat is still ritualized as card games in 5ds why wouldnt a god choose it?
Playing revisionist with the crimson dragon mythology doesnt help
Brayden Gray
Zexal did hit a lot of places. Though I think it was too sunset like.
Hudson Lopez
YGO pro 2 all the time I would spend in these threads. By the time YGO7 is out I'll be good enough to spot misplays and stuff.
Asher Sanders
Hopefully you'll buy a Switch for something better than a slow, janky, minor update to Legacy of the Duelist that manages to somehow crash on the Switch.
