What the fuck? Is Isayama retarded?

What the fuck? Is Isayama retarded?
Future Eren cannot influence past events without having existed, but in order to exist, he would’ve had to let past events already occur, so would he be able to influence them?

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He is a hack

To You, in 2000 Years

He is a hack

Only unironic redditors and normalfags praise this hack at this point tbqh

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In the 1st timeline, what happened then ? Eren wouldn't have been able to from the future because he wasn't there

Wait there time travel in SNK? Dropped that shit after season two

Time travel ruins everything, only retards apply that to their stories.

Isayama missed a chance to make Eren say:"And since when were under the impression you were in control?"
And it actually makes sense, timeline wise, don't pretend people.

BASED. Dropped it immediately

>Coping this hard

Grisha is using the Attack Titan to see Future Eren

Future Eren has always existed. The manga is going with a non-linear version of time.

Oh God he was going so good. Now time travel in SNK? TIME TRAVEL IN SNK? I KNOW THIS WAS FORESHADOWED BUT IT AS A CONCEPT ALONE IS SO FUCKING STUPID. TIME TRAVEL KILLS STORIES. WHY?

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Eren is aizen if aizen was in-universe likeable

What would have happened if eren didn't influence grisha ?

Since when were you under the impression free will existed? He always influences Grisha.

I guess it can't happen. That's why Eren went full edgelord, the universe did it so he could order Grisha.

>Future Eren cannot influence past events without having existed
Do you not know how time travel works? You can come back in time even if you didn't exist in it.
>but in order to exist, he would’ve had to let past events already occur
He only influenced certain things that weren't related to his birth. He could tell Grisha not to marry Carla and he wouldn't exist then.

Time is a loop theory.

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So future eren must have had a different past if things until now all happened because of present eren influence

Low IQ retards can't understand basic time travel storylines

Really subverted your expectations didn't it?
So smart

That's a time paradox then.

If it's a time loop then the past-present-future always existed.

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No, it's a causality loop, like kyle reese being John connor's father

And a retarded one at that, it's the least realistic form of time travel.

literally fucking useless then
Fuck these time shenanigans, dropped SnK

In Terminator time changes all the time after the third movie. Not a good example.

If i go to the past and kill my past self, do i cease to exist or does the event just not happen because my past self being dead means i wouldn't be able to try to kill myself?

Isayama a hack for introducing time leap.
At least it's not O MY SEVEN QUIRKS level of asspull yet.

I just realized, if you don't write "snk" in the title you will suddenly get good discussions without the usual braindead shippers shitting up the threads

You create a split timeline

These. The pic in the last explains it completely. Everything happens because it was destined to happen. Nobody is free at all and they are all cogs in the machine. Even Eren.

>Power of the mc is to control see and control past / future
Yeah, Eren surpassed seven quirks

If it's a looping travel theory, then you can't kill yourself. Some bullshit thing will happen to stop you.

Time leap was possibly always designed to be a part of the story.
The way it's written is an absolute garbage though, but that's more in line with the entire manga.

Again?
Goddamn, go watch Terminator and 12 monkies to understand Isayama's timeline.

>This one dude just existed for all eternity for no reason
ISAYAMA.

IS.

GARBAGE.

The series peaked at 2. Also i'm only talking about Kyle Reese being John Connor's Father

>>This one dude just existed for all eternity for no reason
Imagine speedreading this much

Eren is the cause of his own misery. The resentment burning into him has completely damned him to a causal loop, living through this pointless fight forever. Right here, he discovers he has the ability to affect the past, yet, driven by his hatred, he goads his own father into doing something he doesn't want to. He damned himself and everyone he loves to far greater misery than had he not interfered.

Your existence has literally no reason either.

>SNK readers since the manga started
To you 2,00 years means time travel
The "see you later Eren" is hinting at time travel
>SNK readers now that time travel has finally been introduced formally
REEEE ASSPULL
REEE THIS IS RETARDED
HACKAYAMA

Yeah, bro how does God even Exist? LMAO!

>Implying that time is non linear and a future can exist without a past or before it
That's one of the most delusional excuses I have ever heard. I bet some nerd came out with it to cope with his shitty series plotholes.

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It has been showed to work in the past on Kreuger, so it's not an asspull. I'm not saying it's not retarded, just that it didn't come out of nowhere at this point in time.

Yeah I'm just giving Isayama credits for being consistent. The series in general is mediocre at best.

It can't happen, because this is what will always happen. There are no timelines or alternate possibilities here.

Eren has always been a slave to his ideals. But now he's just a piece of shit along with it.

There is an original timeline where Grisha hesitated to kill and made things worse or didn't kill Freida and Eren had to get her titan himself.
It really isn't hard to make sense of it, its not like interstellar's shitty nonsensical paradox

I'm literally just saying the exact thing you said. Your words, not mine As does yours, and Isayama is still garbage.

But Eren had the choice to not interfere. But he didn't, and he damned himself into a cycle with no end. The Attacking Titan will attack and attack and attack forever, knowing no peace, respite or happiness, entirely of his own choice.

Hehe.

Who said it's an asspull? OP was talking about the fact that Eren created paradox and whole plot doesn't make sense.

People have been calling it an asspull all day

>Eren was God all along bro eks dee
Isayama is fucking TRASH. This is worse than Naruto or Fairy Tail writing.

There's no "original" or "first" timeline.

>choice
Free will is a spook. Eren was simply a machine designed to perpetuate the time travelling military industrial complex.

Only the illusion of choice, he was always going to do it.

And it's not what OP was talking about.

Who gives a fuck what OP was talking about? I'm talking about the retards in the threads in general

But user, Eren did choose to interfere. He did it by influencing Grisha just so everything would turn out the way he's already seen it. He has enslaved past self to a destined path, because he's drunk on the concept of freedom

Because you replied to OP, not to people in this thread. Now go back to your low IQ SnKshipping general thread, you clearly not smart enough for this thread.

Yes there is you dunce, paradoxes are by definition impossible

>Eren created paradox
>time travel creates inconsistencies in causality
wow stop the fucking presses

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You're a fucking retard

Name a bigger than asspull than "the main character has always existed since the beginning of time and can influence people's memories from the past and future with no foreshadowing that he can do all this". And no, To You in 2000 Years is not proper foreshadowing that justifies he can do this omnipresent, almost omnipotent shit. At most, it implies time shenanigans, not divine powers that some random boy just happens to have for no valid reason.

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no the attack titan vessels can all be influenced by erin because erin was at the source. it sidesteps time . the source of the paths if where the founder is. normally it would only be a royal who is the vessel for the founder titan who wont ask for anything. instead we have the beast titan vessel AND the attack titan vessel who is also the founder titan vessel at the source of the paths where ymir is

erin is probably the reason his father was allowed to live and become the attack titan vessel. hes probably the reason the owl nigger was selected to be the attack titan vessel

erin is about to drop kick ymir to stop her from sterilizing all of them . the source of the paths is outside the time stream. if she sterilizes them erin would have never been born. neither will zeke. titans would have never been a thing

There is no "original" different timeline, there is no other timeline that the one we've seen already.

If paradoxes are by definition impossible, then there is no paradox.
Let that sink in.

>Name a bigger than asspull than "the main character has always existed since the beginning of time and can influence people's memories from the past and future with no foreshadowing that he can do all this".
>Save Armin and Mikasa
>Who?
>...No idea. Whose memories are these?
What the fuck do you think an asspull is?

Why doesn't eren influence squad levi to not die so petra is saved

That doesn't justify Eren suddenly being able to influence people from the past and him being a divine God being that existed since the beginning of all time. That just implies there are time travel shenanigans at most.

He can't influence the squad, he can however influence himself by showing his past self these memories. He chose not to because they have already been sacrificed. If Eren helped them, then his position in the future becomes unstable. That he's choosing to not do these for his own goals is what makes Eren a monster and complicit in their deaths.

The moment you get "visions" of the future, those cannot change because they already happened or you wouldn't have seen them in the first place.
As foreshadowing goes, if the "see you later" is from the future, some sort of time hopping memories and a destined future were always there as a concept.

nice fanfic

>Gets BTFO in the previous thread.
>Runs away and makes a nameless thread.
And you thought I wouldn't find you?
>Yet another low IQ user who doesn't know about closed loops paradox.
>Isayama isn't retarded, he's just using a very popular concept that most people with an IQ above 90 already know.
>But I'm a nice guy so I'll explain.
When someone can see the future, there's some theories that assume that the future they see already takes into account the fact that they can see the future and how they would behave with the information of said future. And it's done in such a way that said future is unavoidable.
>If they like it, they will try to make it happen and it happens.
>If they hate it, they will try to stop it. But it turns out that said event wouldn't have happened if they didn't try to stop it. But it's the act of trying to stop it that made it happen.

Cappiche^2?

It does however foreshadow some kind of time travel theory through memories that definitely leads to Eren. You cannot call it an asspull when the groundwork has already been provided. People have been talking about that scene and what it means for ages. Now we know.

He chose this. Now it makes sense why Kruger mentioned Armin and Mikasa almost like in a stupor. Eren was influencing his actions too. Again, had he NOT done any of that, the whole ordeal might have not happened that way in the first place. And Eren had the ability to influence events to go differently. But he deliberately chose to follow his resentment, damning himself and the world as a whole.

This is not fate. These are the consequences of one man's choice to fuck with time out of spite. We're witnessing a retelling of those consequences.

>I-Isayama is a hack!
Why? Because he's using a popular form of time travel theory? It has its faults but it's one that cannot be proven incorrect because the concept is still beyond us. All the pros and cons of deterministic time travel will be present, but that's an issue with the theory used, not the writing

All that dialogue does is imply time travel, nothing more. It doesn't at all foreshadow Eren being some kind of immortal superhuman that always existed since the beginning of all time in a neverending timeloop that can directly change people's minds for no valid discernible reason other than the author writing himself in a corner.

That's like saying in Steins Gate, them discovering time travel is foreshadowing that Okabe is actually an avatar of an ancient 5 dimensional alien that controls timelines and he's destroyed dimensions with his superpowers in the past. A mere implication of time travel doesn't justify all the other bullshit.

I think you don't understand cause and effect

>Eren was influencing his actions too.
No. Let's not go full retard. Kruger's actions as far as we know are not influenced by Eren by way of manipulation. Kruger had already gotten Grisha on-board by the time he mentioned Armin and Mikasa and those words mean nothing for Grisha anyway.

Or, y'know, maybe he could write a story without using a flawed concept?

Yeah, that's exactly my point. His blind resentment dooms him to this causal loop, and he can't see it at all.

>It has its faults but it's one that cannot be proven incorrect because the concept is still beyond us.
And it's still the most simple of all of them as it doesn't have to deal with different timelines.
But the brainlets here still find it difficult to grasp.

>All that dialogue does is imply time travel, nothing more
Which is exactly what we're seeing here. It does not reveal the full extent to which Eren performed could perform this brand of time travel, but it doesn't need to. Foreshadowing is to set a foundation, not blow its load on the explanation.

>Retelling
There is no retelling. Everything was bound to happen because that's how closed loops works.
The future events already took into account that someone fdom the past could see into the future. And thus, what the people from the past saw was already events that took into account their action with the knowledge of the future.

I think you don't understand how to think in 4 dimensions.

Future Eren could've told his past self about the Warrior Trio, but he understood no one in the past would believe him and it would probably result in the trio kicking his ass and kidnapping him.
Eren turned him self into a monster by neglect.

Paths lol

This.
Unironically.

I feel like SnK is becoming the biggest pleb filter of all time and that's fucking amazing.

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It's been obvious he's a shit writer for years. Where have you been

That's exactly what I mean.
>but he understood no one in the past would believe him
They would. As soon as it was revealed that Eren was a titan shifted. Erwin was already onto the high possibility that the colossal and armored where human too, simply because of how quickly they came and disappeared.

But yeah I agree. He's a monster and turned himself into one

Human emotions and interractions are also a flawed concept. So why do almost every single writer alive still use those, and some of them hailed as geniuses?

I say retelling because we're not experiencing these events as they originally unfold, because in a closed loop there is no real beginning or end.

He chose this because this is how the timeline turned out. This is the only decision Eren Jaegar could make given the circumstances.
Get it through your thick skull, there is no such thing as free will.

based shipper

No he can't, if things don't happen the way they did, Eren wouldn't be Eren and he wouldn't be in the PATHS in the first place.
He doesn't want to change the past but also he cannot change the past.

It was pretty good at first imo, but now Isayama gone full retard. I feel like he wrote himself into the corner after deciding to change original ending

How does "Stop Eren" fit with "He is my son", serum injecting and "If you want to save them all..."? Don't tell me future Eren was always there behind Grisha shoulder whispering him shit with yandere stare.

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This chapter confirmed that he's going with the original ending where everyone dies though.

At this point Isayama probably didn't came up with 'Eren is a god of time and space' plot

Grisha can't stop Eren, that's why he fulfills his role and tells Sieg to do it while in PATHS. If Sieg is able to do it or not remains to be seen as being in the PATHS is an unknown variable.

Fuck Zeke

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Yeah, that's what we're saying? It's two-in-one. He can't change the past, because he has chosen not to change the past and that's how it was determined to be with no derogation. He has the illusion of choice, but in that framework chose not to save himself.

Maybe, but i don't think timetravel bullshit of ths calliber was in his original ending.

Knowing that Titan-shifters are humans is one thing, determining which human is a shifter is another.
If Eren told everybody that he can see the future and those three were titans do you think his friends would believe it? Would you believe it if you were reading it back at that time?

I'm glad you agree that all it did is imply time travel, and nothing more, not Eren being some kind of time deity that has always existed for all eternity for no reason whatsoever.

>It does not reveal the full extent
That's a nonsensical excuse. That's like me writing a character who heard one line of dialogue about cats. And then later on the character is actually a reincarnation of two interdimensional space warlords from an alternate universe who got fused together by an omnipotent god being that looks like two buttcheeks who had a pet cat once. And that gives that character the power to be immortal, shoot missiles from his mouth and become intangible, also able to accelerate through a multiverse in less than a planck second. One line of something can imply something, in this case time travel. But it doesn't justify Eren all of a sudden being an omnipresent godlike chosen one that wasn't birthed, only existed since the beginning like jesus and can change people's actions because fuck logic. Implying one thing doesn't mean all the bad writing that comes with that one thing is okay. I guess because a lot of people invested time and read the manga for this long, they don't want to backpedal and admit it's garbage. But it's just a manga, stop being this much of a pussy about it.

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There's no choice, yes.

You don't understand. This is a chicken before the egg dilemma for which there is no escape. Eren "chose" to fuck with time, yes, but there was never a possibility that he would have made any other decision because of his actions to put himself on this path in the first place. His will is an illusion that has already been determined by his own actions. It's a hilarious paradox and play on irony that Eren himself probably doesn't realize. Fuck him.

Eren isn't going back, Grisha is looking FORWARD.

He's seeing the perspective through Eren's future memories, that he's allowing him to see through the paths.

Once they're the Attack Titan, everything is connected. Think Dr Manhattan, time is not linear in this instance.

How are human emotions and interactions flawed concepts? lol

A causal loop fundamentally breaks storytelling (cause & effect) as we know it. So when an author introduces it, they will always have to hack around its flaws (everything is predetermined / higher system enforcing consistency / there are no original event).

Obviously a lot of these hacks don't sit well with readers hence why the thread is in this state at moment

Eren couldn't see the future until he kissed Historia's hand, and then he could only influence Grisha when he was in the PATHS because he saw himself influencing him back then.

Is this a homestuck timeline situation? The part where modifying what happened doesn't matter because you already read it?

I miss when this was all about killing titans..

Me too user, me too :(

Actually they would test it. At this point, the scouts see him as an important resource. They know titan shifters can heal. So they would naturally perform it on the warrior trio...who would then heal right in front of them or retaliate and prove they're traitors. Not saying this won't have consequences. They might not even believe he's seeing the future but is instead playing some scheme where he got that information somehow unless Eren tells tehm about memories that he could not possibly know. And if they did believe he could see the future, that might even have worse consequences. Just saying that if he wanted to expose the warrior trio ALONE, he could probably have done it. The fallout might be horrific though

None of the timeline would have happened WITHOUT Eren fucking with it. But he's motivated by some vision he has kept from everyone else, something entirely his own. He chose it all for the sake of that vision. He had so many choices along all this time. But every time he chose to escalate.

You, too, can choose not to respond to this post. But will you be able to resist the temptation to once more try and convince me about lack of free will?

The only answer is actually PATHS.
Paths are outside of the time, therefore have always existed since the inception of titans. If Eren's will is that powerful, he could influence all the AT's since the begining because he is just now in the paths dimension.

>Eren tries to influence the 145th king to be more courageours
>Karl refuses his advices and keeps jerking to Tybir chads fucking his three daughters
>Eren gives him disdain stare and fucks them himself, destroying Tybir and Helos asses too
>Karl goes full cuck straight to Paradis

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How does zeke know nobody could have stopped ymir once she moves ?

We are going directly to Ymir/Krista though.

Eren isn't a omnipresent god, he can just share his memories to his predecessor, nothing more.the only reason why he was able to influence grisha there was because of zeke presence , the FT and the paths jurney beyond grisha's memory. the AT holders (eren too) can't do nothing to change the present or the past, they can just see what will happens and maibe remind to the others ATs what have to be done in order to succeded in eldians (or even global) savation. Eren after grisha slaughtered the reiss in this chapter was depressed (pic related), but he couldn't do anything to prevent it since everything is already written.

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So not only did we get misled by the title (attack on titan which turned out to mean "the attack titan") but also on the abilities of the titan itself to see the future (shingeki can also be interpreted as "forward")
I hate the latest twist with time paradox shenanigans but at least i have to admit the guy played us good

time is not linear

Why would future eren bother sending memories to the past if things are fine for him ?

He doesn't. He is not counting that Eren has the coordinate and the Attack, so he is in for failing in his predictions yet again.

Every time time or future or past is introduced, americans go full retard. This manga is basic determinism

No time paradox actually.

I though Shingeki could mean "Advance" like "Advancing Titan"

Yeah, "Attack on Titan" is a Duwang tier translation of a very reasonably translatable and meaningful title and I have no clue why the localization actually went with such a garbage title.

If Eren gave his past self information, do you think the Survey Corps would be able to capture and take the titan powers of the Warrior Trio?

No, because it didn't happen.

you fucking brainlet he can't change the past and he can't change the future. This is LITERALLY harry potter level shit yet you faggots can't wrap your heads around it

So why Eren was acting so surprised in the previus chapters if he's already knows the future.

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Why is this a big deal? Can't he ask founder Ymir to give back everyone their ability to reproduce afterwards? Is Ymir going to do something irreversible like castration?

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>Future Eren cannot influence past events without having existed
He only influence ATTACK TITAN users you brainlet

haha is this your first stable time loop?
you poor child.

He know only the outcome (aka the rumbling and what will follow it) and not what will happens between when he kissed historia's hand and the rumbling. For this reason he didn't know about the path dimension, ymir fritz and reiner's surprise attack.

Fuck off nigger, i wasn't reading your shit

>TIME TRAVEL IN SNK? I KNOW THIS WAS FORESHADOWED

since literally the first page

The stopped time will probably end and Eren will die if he doesn’t reach Ymir first.

>To You, 2,000 Years From Now
More accurately, it foreshadows communication beyond time.

Eren is the least free of all. Everyone else has at least the illusion of free will, but Eren is now trapped on a path that he must see to the end.

>. For this reason he didn't know about the path dimension, ymir fritz and reiner's surprise attack.

also Sasha’s death.

I wonder if these "Berserk" fits of Eren's Titan are more than what we thought.
Like when he tried to kill Mikasa out of the blue despite fully ignoring her and other humans before.
Or his little stroke when fighting Annie.

“By the way, titans can see the future.”
At least most of the show was somewhat acceptable for anime but this is just stupid. How do people defend this?

Wasn't it mentioned in Harry Potter sometimes time traveling wizards accidentally kill their past selves? How would that work?

They can't, only the AT can, and only their future holder's memories.

The devil in the story with Ymir is the eldian who previously destroyed the world and reverted civilization to primitive tribes. Every 2000 years or, a mad eldian destroys the world. This is usually followed by the mad eldian calming down and giving their powers to a young successor and telling them to start civilization anew with no war or hatred. The previous successor was Ymir, the next devil is Eren. At the start of the story Eren says "to you in 2000 years" because it refers to this never ending cycle and the vague hope that one day it will stop. The reason the world becomes unstable and reaches critical mass after 2000 years is because that's the time it takes for technology to progress enough to defeat titans in warfare. This causes eldians to begin to lose their advantage, so they unleash the mass titan stomping apocalypse. Eldians always go mad and fuck up everything. They just can't help it. God I hate eldians so much.

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One could argue there are conditions.
Child Eren did not have the AT when they breached the walls, so communication is perhaps impossible.
Likewise, perhaps the amnesia and being unaware of his titan power also plays a role.

Awwight End of Eva scale ending back on the table

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Multi-verse theory?

Because the mangaka higly foreshadowed this since chapter one, it also explain many thing happened and don't contraddict the rule imposed by the paths (also the attack titan was the one without any superability outside strong fists, he was kinda depowered compared to the other 8 titans, which all them have a unique ability)

>God I hate eldians so much.
Did your Grandfather hate them too?

But that's exactly what it is. It has new dimension because he's talking to the Eren that pushed him to kill the Reiss while not telling him Carla was long dead. He's also looking off into the distance strangely when he tells Eren about the key.

No, bootstraph theory: basically the entire story is a controlled loop, where the AT shifters know already the outcome and what they have to do to succede (at least on a surface level). They can see what will happen but can't do anything to change it, since this grand scheme that is "the will of the Attack titan" is already happened and can't be avoided (even eren can't avoid it).

While I find these time travel/memory sending shenanigans very unsatisfying, how it's possible that anons lack the capacity to imagine a timeline where past and future can coexist? It's not a concept exclusive of this manga. Predestination really sucks, so I hope that Eren rebels against his future self or something.

I would keep trying endlessly because I'm a stubborn asshole like that.

I think that the only thing they know for certain is the person they have to pass it on, as they see their memories at some point in their term.
That's why Kruger knew it had to be Grisha, and Grisha, obviously, Eren.

I read Isayama liked the translation because he thought it was cool. Idk if he suggested it though.

>I hope that Eren rebels against his future self or something.
Eren is working towards achieving what he saw, though.

>Eldians always go mad and fuck up everything
The big majority of Eldians are innocent, they have to suffer for their kings' sins, and also get their free wills and memories constantly toyed with by the same kings. Really all the blame goes to the shifters.

Because the concept of "big fighting giants" and precognition is a strange combination.

Mikasa totally knows of these loops, right?

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Based janny

the whole of the marley arc focusing around reiner and the other eldians in marley was extremely well written. I'll admit recently it's gone a bit downhill though

>Eren being some kind of immortal superhuman that always existed since the beginning of all time in a neverending timeloop that can directly change people's minds
Dude, this doesn't exist. The manga has nothing to imply this, you're taking some random fucks' headcanon to be the actual canon.

The only thing Eren did is create a timeloop when he influenced Grisha's actions through Grisha's ability to see the future. He can do this because he was at the coordinate, the "source" of all mater, something which exists outside of time. There is nothing about Eren being beyond human, existing "since forever" or anything of the sort. This doesn't mean something weird couldn't happen next chapters, if he gets into the light pillar and goes to visit Ymir 2000 years ago or some shit, but that has nothing to do with Eren being "eternal" only with using the mechanics of the supernatural element that exists in the SNK world.

Go read it again, dumbspeedreader

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This.
Using multi-timelines theory would ruin all the show and it would look dumb as fuck.

yes

>Future Eren could've told his past self about the Warrior Trio
He literally couldn't. How would he? Past Eren can't see his own future

how could grisha see and hug zeke physically?

This would mean the only people who exist on are subjects of ymir, because everyone, wherever they’re gathered like Paradis, are Eldian at the least and Subjects at most. FT could wipe memories of Subjects after the rumbling but not eldians, right? So the story of how the world ended and restarted would survive and they’d know better not to take steps towards doing it again.

But that wouldn't explain why Manlet doesn't have headaches if Mikasa does.

He didn't. He just hugged the air where he thought Zeke would be standing, according to Eren's future memories he was seeing in that moment.

Dudes, the AT power is seeing the memories of one's successors, not LITERALLY seeing anything from the future or whatever the fuck they wanna show you. The whole Eren "talking" with Grisha things only happened because he was taken by Zeke, from the Coordinate, into the inside of Grisha's memories, where Grisha was seeing Eren's memory of seeing Grisha's memory at the same time as he was performing the actions Eren was seeing in the memory. So Grisha could see what he was doing from the POV of Ghost Eren, this is how he knew Eren and Zeke were "there" and why it made sense to him to "talk" to them and "listen" to them (since he would listen to Eren from Eren's POV).

Eren can't influence anything by himself, he can't "send memories" to whoever the fuck he wants, he can just use the power of the AT for himself courtesy of the FT being able to access a realm outside of time.

This is the most needlessly convoluted and idiotic plot point I've ever seen in my life. I would be easier to just introduce regular time travelling. Who cares at this point.

Glad we agree.

It's literally the most basic bitch version of time travel there is.
It's fair to hate it being a thing but don't pretend it doesn't make sense. Think of fucking Futurama or something

it was literally hinted at like 40 chapters ago dumb dumb speedreeder.

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Regular time travelling would lead precisely to "why doesn't he just go back and kill Karl/Ymir/himself" type shit. It's also inconsistent with what we have known about Titans, that is they're connected by memories through paths, and the coordinate which structures the paths exists outside of time and space. Yes, the scenario is convenient in a sense (Zeke taking a tour through Grisha's memories, unknowingly giving Eren the chance to kickstart this whole shit), but not really convoluted in terms of mechanics. Not anymore than other timeloop scenarios

Now that we know that time travel influencing can happen, isn't it obvious that a previous/future holder of the Attack Titan used that power to influence Eren and it hit him exactly when he touched Historia's hand? There is an obvious focus on that hand scene. Eren reacted strongly for no reason and then abruptly changed personality. It might possibly have been future Eren influencing past Eren.

So you can see memories of the future. Can you change the future? If not, then it's a rather useless power

Eren already changed the future by changing the past

Eren saw his father’s memories of being influenced by Eren himself.

The AT literally cannot do this. You can't "send memories back", you can't "influence your past self", none of this shit exists. What Eren saw when he kissed the hand was Grisha's memory IN WHICH Grisha was randomly talking to him, explaining the future-memory ability, and telling "Zeke" to stop Eren. This is why he went insane.

Eren was only able to influence the past because of what happened inside the Coordinate these last two chapters. It's not an in-born ability of the AT or anything like that.

Does anyone have a read expected got for snk that’s up to date? That includes determinism and sins of the father for the got. Or I’ll make it myself but I want suggestions of good examples of these themes.

>previous/future holder of the Attack Titan used that power to influence Eren and it hit him exactly when he touched Historia's hand?
Yes, Grisha. Only that Eren was the dominant will there because he's, PROBABLY, the last Attack Titan.
And he didn't change his personality, he just aquired some knowledge that made him change his perspective in life, nobody took control if that's what you mean.

There is only one (1) timeline. It's all set, everything will happen and has already happened.
Remember when Bender went back in time, stole some shit and then sat in a basement until the moment after he went back? Same thing, the future he waits for it's not one created by his trip hence why just by waiting he winds up in that exact same moment, he's always been in the basement.

>Regular time travelling would lead precisely to "why doesn't he just go back and kill Karl/Ymir/himself"
The time travel of information/memories/communication leads to the exact same plot holes that physical time travel creates. It's not a safer approach from a writing perspective.

>Eren made his own present by influencing his past into happening.
Would be more accurate.

>you can't "influence your past self"
>Eren was only able to influence the past
Well which is it? Can they influence the past or not? SnK fans are truly mad with denial that their story took a shitty turn.

Going further, travel of information is the same as physical time travel on a fundamental level. Unless you restrict it like Stein's Gate did with time leaping but then it's useless.

This shit always leads to some weird ass conversations about free will and determinism. The key question to what Eren's character will be, is what came first, the closed loop or his choice. Do we say that Eren chose this future, and so it always was to be so, or that Eren was always going to chose this future because it was to be so? I'd like to think it's the first one, and his will is what shaped the closed loop, but I can see how the other side could be argued.

But this is not a simple "time travelling of memories" scenario. The normal ability of the AT is purely passive, you only see memories from future holders, you can't interact with them same way other Titans can't interact with the past memories they see.

What allowed Eren to interact was the Coordinate being outside of time, from where Zeke took them into Grisha's memories as pseudo-ghosts (as opposed to the usual method which is seeing it from the POV of the holder). So we had a situation where Grisha was seeing a future memory of Eren seeing Grisha at the same moment Grisha was seeing that memory. This is the only way they can interact, and yes it does create a timeloop, but it's a very specific and constrained mechanism that doesn't just allow anyone to do whatever they want. Eren couldn't simply "go into" the memory of some random Eldian and talk to them, nor could he physically interact with the past in any way. The entire thing is confined to memory-seeing, and only possible by the special power of the AT to see the future.

It's closed. It's inconsistent only if there can be multiple outcomes. By making it non linear there can are no issues barring it being boring.

Eren is making choices in the coordinate, outside of time, so clearly he's not "bound" by the timeloop. It makes no sense to tell fiction in which your characters have no choices, and that's certainly not what Isayama is going for here.

Let me rephrase for you:
There is no inherent ability to "influence the past".
Eren was able to influence the past due to a confluence of factors, which made use of the future-seeing ability of the AT, but that's it.

It's the same thing, you are just looking at it from different angles. If there is only one timeline, like in snk, there exist no free will.

>FT could wipe memories of Subjects after the rumbling but not eldians, right
subjects of ymir are eldians you brainlet

Every fucking time a story with a closed time loop pops us, there's a guy who is simply incapable of wrapping his head around the very simple concept that there's no "first time".

But nobody cares if Eren could only influence the past through specific circumstances or a "confluence of factors". The conversation is about the fact that he did it. When someone makes a post that says "wow Eren is so OP with time travel" then you can write a long tl;dr about exactly what he did and why it's not OP because it required special circumstances. But that's not what people are saying. None of these posts are answering a conversation about Eren being OP or using time travel at will. Literally nobody cares that it requires specific conditions. Why are you ranbling about this out of context?

>"hey Eren sorta did time travel in the last chapter, isn't that bad for story continuity"
>>REEEEEEE IT'S A LIMITED POWER IT WAS HARD TO PULL OFF OKAY???? SHUT UP

>That's why Kruger knew it had to be Grisha
But Kruger saw Eren's memories not Grisha's

It's a pretty weird idea to grasp. The future happening before the past is opposite what anyone is used to.

Iyasama is a god, and you're wrong about the time influencing. It's clear it's not a perfect loop, based on what Kruger says. We haven't seen why he says what he says.

But not all eldians are subjects (who can be wiped), speedreader

but they are, you subhuman

It's not a perfect time loop, and Kruger says as such.

>"hey Eren sorta did time travel in the last chapter, isn't that bad for story continuity
No it fucking isn't because in this story time is closed.

It’s because it’s so hard to visualize especially when all we can possibly be exposed to in our universe as humans is linear. I don’t blame people.

Reminder that we are finally getting historia next chapter

Read the 7 and 1/2 Deaths of Evelyn Hardcastle. It's not a perfect loop.

No, everything has yet to happen and has already happened.

sure user, he definitely rests that arm on the thin air to match with the memory of where zeke's shoulder is!

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If you can wrap you head around folding a piece of paper you can wrap your head around this.

Eldia is a nation not a race. Subjects are a race. Eldians who aren’t subjects lived on paradis (fake king’s guys and first king of the walls guys to start). BRA talked about this but you’re too stupid to remember so.

That’s a good way to explain it. I’ll use it from now on.

You intentionally read "continuity" as timeloop continuity. That post is about continuity in the sense of world building consistency. "A closed time loop is a CONSISTENCY problem", do you prefer this wording so it doesn't trigger your autism? Even if the continuity was not severed in this particular instance of time travel, it's obviously a problem that it CAN be severed.

>implying
>discounting first time speculation
>ISHYGDDT

You fucking retard, this whole chain started because I replied to people who were talking about Eren "sending his memories back to his past self to uncover BRA" or something along those lines (I forgot what the exact point was already). So yes people ARE talking about Eren using time travel at will, so you're wrong and should shut the fuck up.

You replied to my post by saying that this was really convoluted, so might as well have gone with simple time travel ability. I explained why that wouldn't be the same and would alter the story significantly, and now you're trying to backpedal by claiming "it was never about Eren being OP" (you're right, it wasn't, but I wasn't talking about that either).

Re-read the reply chain and then shut the fuck up before trying to talk to your superiors

Redditors

Its hard to visualize because humans evolved in an environment that forward cause and effect is statistically easier to detect even while we know that at the quantum realm backwards casualty or Retrocausality is a thing

If you think about it, speculations about first timelines in a timeloop are just timeloops across different threads and anons.

>You replied to my post by saying that this was really convoluted, so might as well have gone with simple time travel ability.
That wasn't me but I already expect that you don't have the minimum reading comprehension skills to follow an online conversation.

It makes sense though. Since he was an Attack Titan user, he has the memories from Eren to know exactly where Zeneca is. It may be contrived, but it’s kino.

Tryhard-kun

If it wasn't you then you shouldn't then reply to my reply as if it was, because you should first consider what the fucking point of my reply was. I wasn't arguing with your own imagination, I was replying to a concrete point made by someone else with a reply that took that into consideration, so for you to come out of nowhere and start whining about whether it makes Eren OP or whether it damages the story is nonsensical. This makes you look even worse, now it wasn't even a simple misunderstanding, it was your own inability to think about things before acting.

Better a tryhard than a redditor.

Why is it called the Attack Titan when its specialty is memory time travel? Why isn't it called the memory time travel titan? That should be the title right there on the manga, "memory time travel titan". It has a nice ring.

Since it's closer to time-leaping in Stein's gate we should include leaping. What about the Titan who leapt through time?

I get it already, you can't follow Yea Forums conversations. I have an advice for you. I recommend quoting a sentence with green text and then replying to that exact sentence. It helps staying on point and it will help you in the future. No need to thank me.

>mfw
>Got so caughted up by uni that I forgot about SnK
>Got REMINDED on Yea Forums
My boy Zekzek is alright, right?

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Eldians are a race, Paradis is a nation.
The ones who lived inside the walls that weren't affected by the Founding weren't eldian, like the orientals. There's probably some marleyans who became nobles after they fled with Karl inside the walls.

brainlet speedreader

It turns out Zekzek was best boi all along. He just discovered he loves his dad, and now his dad wants him to stop Eren for being stupid and wrong.

Wait, the manga has fucking time travel? Holy shit, am I glad I dropped this.

It doesn't make sense in any fiction.

It does if the rules in universe can explain the paradoxes it arises.

Yeah that’s what I mean. They were in the walls so how could the titans rumble them? The big boys face outwards and stomp everyone who isn’t an island devil. This means that there are people who on paradis descended from the kings guys, assuming at least one couple didnt racemix with subject eldians. A continual reset would be stupid since these people, who were in the walls and not rumbled, would preserve history. A reset could only happen once before.

>>Got REMINDED on Yea Forums
stay there, Yea Forumsermin

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>there're not subjects of ymir
>probably different race of eldians
so it's literally saying they can't be eldians since they're not subject of ymir, how is your tiny brain unable to get this?

Not all eldians are subjects of Ymir.

Based retard

It's not backwards. There's no "before". Think about it. Space-time is the universe. If you were to exit the universe (which you cant) and look back at the universe, what would you see? Keep in mind that since you are outside of time, the very concept of something being sequential doesn't exist. As a result, you'd see that past, present, and future are just constructs of being inside of time. From the outside looking in, there's no difference.
You are imagining a line being drawn on paper. Either a straight line or a line that loops back on itself. Stop, and instead imagine the entire line, loop and all is printed all at once, like a stamp on a sheet of paper.

It is consistent going by the worldbuilding, if anything you're the one being autistic about phrasing

You just discovered the concept of a closed time loop in fiction. Congratulations.

Enligthen me, how were those comments reddit?

>Onslaught Eoten
Just fucking stop

I think it's taken for granted that during the "rumbling" the big guys walk in every direction, not just in front of them, and and turn everything to dust under their feet. Do they even actually face outward for sure? In some illustrations they face outward, but we saw one when Annie damaged a wall while trying escape. I'm pretty sure that one was facing inward.

>isayama hates the idea of destiny
>he wants to destory his readers hearts
>decides to make the entire story about destiny
Based

eldians are a race descended from ymir, so they are subjects of ymir. eldia was created by the first subjects of ymir, thus it makes every eldian a subject of ymir. now concede

>Implying O MY SEVEN QUIRKS was an asspull

Keep seething

I think it’s more that the FT commands them to move outward.

... Seems pretty obvious they take commands and will perform any actions they're commanded to do.

What if someone wanted to say that a time traveling mechanic can possibly cause a paradox, that it didn't cause a paradox yet but that it certainly can, what are the words that you will accept that someone can use in order to refer to this concept without offending you? Continuity is out, consistency is out, worldbuillding is out. We're running out of words. I'm not sure how we can communicate with you anymore.

Armin is the pleb filter of the manga. If you disagree with him, you're not human.

You are seriously retarded. Eldian EMPIRE. Do you know the implications of an empire?

Are you new to fiction? Literally thousands of stories deal with this kind of paradox.

The manga contradicts you, there's nothing to concede or argue. If someone was looking at a green leaf and INSISTED it was actually pink, what could you actually do to change their mind beyond showing them the green leaf?

TATAKAE

Yeah, I've read it, but Ackermans are like that for example, a race of eldians that cannot be controlled but they are still from the eldian race.
Paradis is the nation.

>armong's seiyuu holding onto mikasa's seiyuu
AMFAGS EXPLAIN THIS

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nice non-arguments, wiki disagress with you btw

It doesn't prove his statement
>That's one of the most delusional excuses I have ever heard. I bet some nerd came out with it to cope with his shitty series plotholes.
Wrong in any way. A shit idea repeated many times remains a shit idea.

How can Eren see his future memories, from within his fathers memories, when he kissed historias hand?
Also do we kno w what he means with "that scenery"? What future did he see in his fathers memories? the fact he gets the founding in the last stand? or something entirerly different?

>isayama suddenly balding
so this is the power of have sex...

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You mean that Mikasa and Arming thing? Grisha is the one who said it in the future before he gave Eren the AT. So that might be Grisha's memories.

so who is eren a slave to? Or his he literally the end of the line? the last eoten?

"Eldia (エルディア Erudia?) is a nation created and chiefly populated by the Subjects of Ymir, a race of humans who can turn into Titans. In ancient times, the Eldians used Titans to build their empire, slaughtering countless peoples and taking their land.[2][3][4] Eventually, the Eldian Empire grew unstable due to internal conflicts between the families with the power of the Titans, and collapsed during the Great Titan War a century ago.[5] Eldia lost most of its land as well as seven of the Nine Titans to a newly reborn Marley, and many Eldians retreated to Paradis Island, their last territory."

>Future did something so fucked up that Grisha wants Zeke to stop him
M8s, what if Eren actually foresaw all of this and is just playing with the situation? And what the fuck did he saw when he ate the Warhammer? And if he could see the future so why did he acted so surprised? And what if Eren is being controled by the next Attack?

Foolish creature, limited by it's own ignorance.

>what he means with "that scenery"?
here you go

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I'm not offended, it's simple logic. The way looping time travel works nothing can possibly happen that could screw with time in a way that would lead to anything inconsistent.

>time travel
is snk truly the best pleb filter ever? no one even fucking tries to read anymore, fucking speedreaders i hate you all, brainlets

Based

based

How are speedreaders this retarded and clueless about how the time loop works - or worse, claim it's an asspull?
>title of the first chapter of the series "To you, in 2000 years" - clear fucking indication of time travel of sorts
>time in the series and for Eldians is not linear - this is literally shown by Kruger talking about Mikasa and Armin through Eren's memories from the future traveling to Kruger in the past. Everything about Eldians is connected by paths to the coordinate and these paths - as stated by Armin in the same chapter - transcend time and space
So why is any of this surprising? The past, present and future have already happened because otherwise Kruger wouldn't be able to see Eren's memories and Eren wouldn't be able to see the future. Old Adult Eren and old Adult Zeke from the Coordinate's dimension can influence the past and future by traveling through the paths that do not obey linear time - like the movie Interstellar and Matthew McConaughey's character in the singularity influencing the movie's actions.

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Yes he is

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Too much testosterone.

>Implying that time is non linear
Time isn't even linear in the real world, you idiot. Time is relative.

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>I-I-I-IT'S NOT TIME TRAVEL GUYS THEY'RE JUST TRAVELLING INTO THE PAST AND INFLUENCING EVENTS BUT THEY'RE NOT PHYSICALLY IN THE PAST EXCEPT WHEN THEY DECIDE TO REVEAL THEMSELVES AND TALK TO PEOPLE IN THE PAST BUT IT'S TOTALLY NOT TIME TRAVEL

Everyones forgetting Eren ate the Warhammer Titan. So actually in the PATHS Dimension. There is the Attack Titan, Beast Titan, Founder Titan, and Warhammer Titan.

Now i reserve all judgement until the manga is finished. Ive been wrong about so much and also right about such few things Ive given up by now. Im just enjoying the ride.

I like where is mange been going and I love it. I think if you were to write it as a book and as an actual story it would be an epic story similar to A Song of Ice and Fire, the Illiad and other epics.

>How can Eren see his future memories, from within his fathers memories
1)Eren saw the cave scene from his father while he was in the paths with Sieg
2)Grisha saw Eren with him because Eren was in the paths, thus be somewhat present at the same time and talking to him.
3)Eren saw that memory while he kissed Historia as that's how his father remembers the event: Eren talking to him and Grisha talking to Sieg.
Result: the moment Eren kissed Historia he knew he somewhat provoked the cave event, that Grisha was being manipulated by him, that he somehow came in contact with Sieg and apparently some other things, thus knowing pieces of the future.

>it would be an epic story similar to A Song of Ice and Fire
Fuck off, fa/tv/irgin

How does that work? Will the power simply fail to work in that case? Or will some coincidence force the user to not activate the power? Or will the user only ever choose to use the power in such a way that inconsistencies do not happen?

One time i got stupid high on three week old weed brownies that weren’t refrigerated. I felt as if time had almost stopped. Felt my life slipping away and i couldn't do anything. I think the moment you die its like that. Its a permeant moment you are stuck to live in. Fucking trash.

Fucking moralfags were thinking this anime was some typical shonen with tipical shonen storytelling, all of you clowns should stop watching it if you don't like it, its not like you buy the manga or support the creator in any way. its sad to see how low this board has fallen filled with degenerate moralfags crying because the story its hurts their fee fees i remember the butthurt before the whole
>ME NO UNDERSTAND ME NO LIKE TIME TRABEL. you fags have been shitting on this manga for some time now, making threads just to shit on and nothing else a classic case of circlejerk and hey no matter how much you fags circlejerk here its not gonna change reality. people love the manga people cant stop reading it especially in japan where most of this manga is sold, so keep crying and keep talking shit in your echo chamber because when snk its brought out in other boards or irl people always get hyped just talking about it. STAY MAD FAGGOTS. also the salt these recent chapters produced its nothing compared to when you fags where crying about eren going full on massacre on marley. fuck you one more time crybaby fags.

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Devil Eren confirmed?

What if is a alternative reality?

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You seem more upset than anyone here.

so, how many times are eren and zeke visible in these PATHS memories? it seems like grisha is constantly noticing eren at his side, as well as young eren.

I stopped reading this for a long time but if this is the case then why didn’t he influences his dad into saving his mom?

Lmao. This explains everything

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Sometimes. It's difficult to know if Eren makes himself visible on purpose. It seems that he wants to be seen in some instances while Grisha seems to be unaware of Sieg until he gets out of the cave.

Because his mom death is in the past and he cannot change it.

Looping time travel implies a deterministic universe, everything has yet to happen, is happening and will happen; time is non linear. There can be no inconsistent uses of time travel because nothing can possibly change.
You are looking at a book that is already written (otherwise there would be no such book), regardless of how much you've read it or if you skip pages the book isn't going to change.

>Every fucking time a story with a closed time loop pops us, there's a guy who is simply incapable of wrapping his head around the very simple concept that there's no "first time".

In some stories there is a “first time” like Buddy Complex. Of course, there it was necessary because Hina didn’t have an origin before the first loop was shown.

why do they always fuck it up with time travel?

>This is worse than Naruto or Fairy Tail writing
You went too far you stupid incel

>tfw this quote was Eren talking to King Fritz

What? But I thought he can influences his dad’s action. So he can’t influence him before the mom is dead?

There is a place in the SNK universe that exists outside of Time connected to all Time. Called the Paths.

Ever since Ymir made a deal with the Devil, the Paths which exist outside of time have connected the future with the past, making them exist simultaneously in effect on the course of history

another simpler image

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I agree 100% with this sentiment
AoT is pretty fucking good story telling. As always, fags here turn to hate it because it became popular and successful or they prefer whatever shit they are reading/watching and play favorites like children.
The shit happening right now is not an asspull, you fucking pride month enthusiasts should take a look at what that means.

the fuck are people complaining about, we're at peak SnK right now

He "could" but he wont, because he never did and his mom died, that's why he "could do it" in the first place.

Absolutely based. I still remember that translation where Iyasama talked about truly hurting his readers

Nah, you're just dead. It's nothing, bub. A dreamless sleep.

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This chapter is fucking weird one, for a moments these reveals looks like the most genius shit a human came up with in fiction and others it seems like a big asspull and work of a hack

Only the upcoming chapters will tell her

>Isayama wants to hurt the readers by writing shit ending
Kinda based desu

>Now time travel
Read the first chapter

The Frieda scene where everything went down has been shown to us in different ways numerous times now. There's no way this wasn't intentional. SnK's biggest theme has always been how perspectives change the meaning of events. We spent a whole arc learning exactly how fucked up RBA were by the time Wall Maria actually fell, and it completely contextualizes what actually went down and introduces different takeaways for the reader.

It's been hinted since chapter 1. What we didn't know was what type of time fuckery we were going to see.
The common ones are
A) Steins Gate world altering type with different cycles
B) Everything is preordained and trying to change the future just leads you to the future you saw. Because seeing it was part of the cause leading to it in the first place.

Fucking Uchihas

AOT is stinky horseshit due to time travel. People trying to make excuses for timetravel are in denial.

All I can say is time travel in this is fuck up. So it is like they are “trapped” in a fixed time loop or something but then this bring to question of the “first” timeline. I don’t even know where the fuck this is going, seem way too complex, glad I stop reading this. The whole deal is stupid, if he can affect the past then do it in a way that can save the person he cares for, his mom. Who the fuck care what happen afterwards, fuck the butterfly effect or different timeline shit.

>AOT
back to red dit, faggit

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It's a bit of both really. As far as I'm concerned I still find it interesting and I'm hyped, so I give the weakest parts of the writing a pass.
If I had to say the main problem with these types of time fuckery mechanics is that literally anything is possible from this point on and that can make the reader feel left out of the action, conflicts and stakes. When you can't make head or tails of what's happening, and everything comes out of left field to you, the action becomes indisguishable from a random trainwreck. You just watch, powerless, as the latest train crashes into the ever growing trainwreck every once in a while. It's still not as bad as the climax of Magi for instance but it could potentially go into that territory if Isayama is not careful.

>time travel in this is fuck up
Not really, but it has nuances as the ones that "travel" are memories and not physical people.
What already happened is bound to happen and cannot be changed, it's not that difficult.
>if he can affect the past then do it in a way that can save the person he cares for
His mom has been dead for a long time, and he has seen something in the future that he longs for, why change the past at all if he wants to reach that future?

It's not like the alternative is better. You're only fine with it because you just have to live in your mom's basement. There's nothing antagonizing you.

This is one of the simpler time mechanic story to explain thanks to the Paths and people are still confused. We really have alot of brainlets here

>What already happened is bound to happen and cannot be changed, it's not that difficult.
If this is the case then what is even the point of future eren even influencing people in the past for? I mean if it is bound to happen then even if he don’t influence anyone it still will so why is there a need for it? Time traveling whether it is physical or mental to the past no matter what is fuck up when it come to story telling like this.

>His mom has been dead for a long time, and he has seen something in the future that he longs for, why change the past at all if he wants to reach that future?

So he choose that future over saving his mom? Ok, eren sucks dick. His whole revenge majority of it center around his mom’s death but for a certain future he let her died, great mc.

I can see the future in my dreams too. Just because it doesn't happen to you, doesn't mean it's all hack fiction.

Exactly, but he's had what... 10 years to think of a way not to fuck this up, he has had something relevant to a time loop since Chapter 1 so I trust where he's heading for now at least.

>New chapter of any popular manga series comes out with a major plot revelation
>Threads are flooded by people who don't actually read the manga because its so funny to go around pointing at things and saying they're asspulls even if you don't understand anything about what you're talking about
I defend Yea Forums a lot, i believe its one of the best boards on this site, i really do, but this is one of the aspects where its just as bad as Yea Forums

O MY RUBBER PATHS

>what is even the point of future eren even influencing people in the past for?
Getting to his current present, even more because he already has seen himself influencing his father. It's a self-fullfilling prophecy.
>So he choose that future over saving his mom?
Think of it in this way:
>You lose a leg in an accident
>Became depressed, still depressed 5 years after
>Because of that you went to a group therapy for amputated people
>Meet the love of your life there, happiness forever ever after
>Go to PATHS somehow
>You can only "change" the accident event
>1)provoking it
>2)avoiding it
>Your past self will never know how to reach the love of your life.
>You know this
What would you do?

He wrote himself into the corner and fucked everything up. That's it

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And there might still be more memories, like at the part where Eren ate Grisha. Meaning there could still be more ghost fuckery in the paths awaiting.

>He wrote himself into the corner
I'm not seeing it in that image.

I doubt it, all the midfuckery with Grisha happened already with Sieg.
We get Ymir mindfuckery from now on.

user you're just dumb. By reading this post I have affected your life and changed your course by however little and there's nothing you can do about it.

Because the Paths connects the Future and the Past it allows them to exist simultaneously in effect. Memories and information from the Future thus affect the course of the Past creating the road to said Future. There's nothing that can be changed becaue all events lead to the creation of a person who wouldn't think about it or change them for whatever reason. It's all already set in stone.

I'm not seeing that in your image either

>Getting to his current present, even more because he already has seen himself influencing his father. It's a self-fullfilling prophecy.
But this contradicts with statement of “What already happened is bound to happen”. Eren is actively trying to make this happen so why couldn’t he actively make it so his mom survive?

>What would you do?
What would I do? It depend on how much suffering I am having losing my leg. And there is no guarantee that I couldn’t meet the love of my life if I change the outcome of the accident so I would definitely change the past so I don’t lose my leg and leave it to fate whether I would meet my lover or not. Thing might be different if I can see different timeline or different results that my actions’s causes. Like if I can see the timeline that if I chose to avoid the accident, my leg is save but they I get kill or something like that then I won’t change anything but if I can’t see this then I will stick with avoiding it so my leg is saved.

Anything that happens inside the PATHSland is not bound by the timeloop, since the PATHS are above that. This point of the story we are at right now is the tipping point where choices happen

erens titan power is a self fulfilling prophecy type of deal if he had saved his mom the events leading to where he is now would not happen

Based. Time traveling ghost Eren was obviously planned from the beginning

So what would happen to Eren in that case?

Yeah no user, I don’t think so. If I have memory and info from my futures self then I will definitely avoid your stupid post but since I don’t have it, I read it. If I have access to my future memories and i notice something bad about it, I will actively try to change it, I am not going to head straight in to let it happen and believe everything is set in stone. That is fucking stupid.

You can't change the events, but you can change the context. Over and over and over again

No it wasn't, wtf. King Fritz didn't have the Attack Titan.

Yeah but his mom would be save and it will lead to a new future and who is to say that future is bad? Basically eren is faces with the chose of making thing flow into the future that he already know about and a unknown future. He abandoned his mom and chose the future that he is familiar with. There is no guarantee that whether his mom surviving or not will make his future better or worse but I think it is a risk he should had take.

If I know what is going to happen in the future, why can’t I change it? What is stopping me?

Eventually, probably "yourself."

Incomplete information, if you change what you saw it's merely because you misinterpreted it. Or maybe you can change future, and Grisha and the others were just fooled into thinking that everything is predetermined.

>tfw not retarded enough to understand that there is no such thing as "time" and everything happened altogether in an instant
>too much of a brainelt to be able to properly explain this

okay first of all lets try to understand how some people view time travel

theory 1 is people theorize that multiple timelines occur when you travel in the past

theory 2 is that the world has 1 fixed timeline and that the universe auto corrects itself in someway that all the puzzles fit together

AOT world functions on the premise of theory 2
so asking what would happen to eren in the case that he saved his mom would be contradicting past and present events

however the whole eren influencing grisha works because it is in a closed time loop
meaning the cause and the effect loops back in itself

SnK became an ESL filter. Because they're too stupid to understand time

>Eren is actively trying to make this happen so why couldn’t he actively make it so his mom survive?
Because his mom died already, all he does is go forward by keeping his present, and his present is there because his past happened.
>And there is no guarantee that I couldn’t meet the love of my life
>Thing might be different if I can see different timeline or different results that my actions’s causes.
You can only see what has happened already, you lost your leg, you became depressed, you met the love of your life.
All other options are unknowns because you haven't lived them.

Because the future version of you had already seen yourself doing it in the past, and yet decided to do it anyway. The future version of yourself is still you, and had seen it happen already, and decided to do it again.

It was probably not, doesn't mean he is contradicting his first chapters in those images.

Do you actually believe this?

this. I hate drive-by-posting.

My point is that I will chose to avoid the accident and face a new unknown future Even if I don’t know what will happen, it could be worse or it could be better but no matter what, I would chose it if I am suffering from losing my leg.

Yea Forums is really bad with snap reactions.

Let's just call it a possibility.

What? How does that even work or make sense? So let me get this straight. If I have info of my future self that he would turn right on a certain road at a certain day and time but then on that day and time I decided to not go out and somehow this didn’t change the future?

do you not know what a self full filling prophecy is?
you cant save your leg because you are where you are right now because you lost your leg

in erens context he didnt save his mom because he then wouldnt have the conviction to do what he was doing now and a paradox would occur

If time travel in SnK is an unavoidable deterministic time loop then why does Grisha says he saw the future and then asks Zeke to stop it from happening?

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remember the last page being of the manga being "you are free"

the end of SNK might be freeing them from that pre determined future set by the paths

>t. Grandad Yeager

Did you forget the example you provided?
>Go to PATHS somehow
>You can only "change" the accident event
>1)provoking it
>2)avoiding it
>Your past self will never know how to reach the love of your life.
>You know this

If I am giving the option to change it then I why can’t I chose it? I would try to go against the self fulfilling prophecy if I view it as a negative.

Oh boi.
I don't know if contrarian or truly FREE.

Anyway my point was mostly the question that old people are asked frecuently, "would you change anything in your life?"
If they were happy they usually answer no, even if the middle of it was bumpy.
You would be that one old coot that, after having a fullfilling life but a leg less and asked this question, would say " yes, of course, I wish I had never met the most important person in my life because I was kinda bummed by my leg for a time"
That and , who is another user.

There's two theories of time travel

Lets say the first theory is Steins Gate, where fate is easily malleable and shit, and can change. You can change the past.

But it looks like Shingeki is using the other type, the Twelve Monkey's style of time travel. Where everything happened as it always happened, future can't be changed, you get one shot. Even if you go back in time and change shit, it already happened, you can't change it. You going back in time is an event that already took place and the future is still the same.

I don't think eren is getting any do-overs here. He fucked up the past and future for his own selfish reasons, and now he's stuck with a half-assed fate.

Those happy with their lot in life would not wish to change it. Those unhappy would of course wish to change it.

But tragedy of the commons would apply. A good time travel outcome for me isn't necessarily a good time travel outcome for everyone

Will we finally understand just what it meant soon?

Saying her hair got longer, its obvious he was talking about future Mikasa here. He was remembering something that would one day happen like a dream, but upon waking up he forgets it all.

Did future Eren send all his memories back in time one last time, only to end up fucking it up since his past self couldn't remember it, since it just felt like a dream?

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>Onslaught Eoten

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again this all depends on what premise timelines work

some people theorize that the universe has 1 timeline others that multiple timelines branch out (this is the most popular one because when incorporated to fiction it has less headaches)

SNK works on the premise that there is only 1 timeline in the universe or in this case the paths

erens titan ability cannot create a paradox because the the snk universe works on the logic that there is only 1 timeline and the dimension of time within the paths of the "Attack titan" all occur simultaneously

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Closed time loops in fiction work similarly to prophecies. In both cases, the future is set in stone, the people that try to change the future end up making it happen, ussually to cause a tragedy. However, it always lends itself to troubles. For example, if the future that Eren saw is set in stone, why does Eren need to send his memories to the past in order to enable it? Shouldn't Grisha do whatever he did in Eren's past, without Eren having to do anything? And if Eren knows what he's going to do and can't change it, does it mean that he never had free will in first place? If he has free will, and he exercises it to not speak to Grisha the day that he killed the Reiss children, which is Eren's future but Grisha's past, what happens? Does Grisha kill the kids anyway, changing Grisha's memory of speaking to Eren? The same happens in Harry Potter, when he thinks he saw his father summon a Patronus but then realizes that he saw himself doing it, what happens if he decides to not summon it? He wouldn't do it because they would die, but if he decided to try to see what happens, what would happen? In a world like Harry Potter with flexible magic, it's not unthinkable that some force would force you to carry out your destiny, or that those that break it are erased. For SnK, I don't know what would be the alternative.

>Those happy with their lot in life would not wish to change it.
Exactly, Eren is happy with what he saw in the future, so he doesn't wish to change his past, others be kind of damned.
But because we don't know what he saw, we don't know if that future is actually a happy ever after for everyone or total doom.

probably not important. the mikasa that's saying it is child mikasa, not grown up one

I don’t know where you are going with this. But my point is that is eren living a fulfilling life right now? Did his mom being dead led to the fulfilling life he wanted? Does he value that fulfilling life more than his mom?

Eren is presented with a choice to change the past, which he can use to save his mom which can result in an unknown future or he can push thing forward to the future he is aware of it. It place his mom and the future he is familiar with a a scale but he choses that future and not his mom which make me look down on him.

>Story involving time travel in a sense
>First chapter is called "To you 2000 years in the future"
>First few pages are Eren waking up from a "dream" he can't quite remember, wondering why Miksasa looks different as though he's remembering an entirely different set of memories, and starts crying as though even if he can't remember what he saw his soul still remembers it

Literally time travel 101 tier stuff that ends being something you only understand at the very end so you go "Oh....that.." when it happens.

The only thing he knows for sure that will happen is what Eren showed to him. Even if he saw the titans waking up, Zeke could put them to sleep again.

It was probably important in original ending, not so much now.

Because even that is pre-determined.

Isayama copied Game of Thrones.

Never-ending causal chains with a dubious payoff sure are great.

DABID

CAUSAL LOOPS DABID

Is simply "seeing" a future worth fighting for it? I imagine Eren "experienced" it to want it so bad

It’ll end with Ymir being reborn, the timeloop will end, and Eren/Eldians will finally be free. Zeke will lose because he’s actually being influenced by the King Fritz.

1st line of my comment was just an example of information affecting those who see it.

Since you're kind of retarded just ignore it and focus on the second half.

As long as the paths connects them across time they will always be on an unchangeable road

Most recent chapter kinda shows he actively lead to his mom and dad dying because he wanted to grow up into a pure hatred machine of rage, who would take revenge on the world. He keikakued himself into happening by making himself miserable all his life.

Well, no, the existence of the realm beyond space and time is primarily to blame, or credit, or whatever.

He's still the one who did it, retroactively

>But my point is that is eren living a fulfilling life right now?
He KNOWS the future is fulfilling, so he wants to achieve it.
>Did his mom being dead led to the fulfilling life he wanted?
He knows it leads to the future he saw.
>Does he value that fulfilling life more than his mom?
He is not killing his mom, you seem to misunderstand this. He is just letting the past be the past.

He doesn't want to change it because he KNOWS he cannot change it, that's your misconception, like thinking that you had other choice that wasn't provoking your own accident and you lose your leg.

PATHS doesn't give you options, but illusions of them, you can only "change" the past so it becomes the past that you lived already -lost a leg, lost your mom- there is no "alternate outcome"
It is what it was.
It was what it'll be.

>Is Isayama retarded
No, but you are for not being able to grasp the most simple concept of time travel

He's not presented with a choice. He can't change the past because then it would have never happened in the first place. All of time is connected through the Paths, he can only move forward.

He's a slave to fate then

Yes, but he's the only one aware of it.

He didn't show Grisha that Carla was going to die, however, if he did it to ensure that Grisha did what had to be done, or if he did it because he knew that Carla was going to die anyway it's still a mystery. There's also the possibility that the future he saw it's a future where Eldia is free, a future so good that risking the chance of it not happening just to save his mother would be selfish.

Can you say you're not?
Destroying the Paths would make it so the future is uncertain. Because no one can see it.
That doesn't mean things aren't still fated to happen. Just that the future will no longer have an effect on shaping the course.

So only Eldians get access to Paths, right?

If that were the case, Zeke might be the one in the correct here, if the goal is as simple as "breaking free from fate."

It's the power to "influence the past" that is creating the future. Get rid of that power, and you don't have people fucking with time.

So basically, the entire plan to use the Rumbling and the Founding Titan was a RUSE and the real reason Eren needed Zeke was so he could get into paths and alter-ensure his own past and everything up until now.

based

No

It's a Time-loop.

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The problem is that Sieg's plan involves killing his own people while, I hope, Eren just wants to destroy the PATHS and with it the titan power AKA the determined fate.

Wait people here ship these 2? Attack on autism much?

So its safe to say Grisha lost his resolve against the Reiss family, but upon coming home regained when he found out Carla was dead? Or did he still administer the serum to young Eren because it was just the only thing to do at that point

Eren bullied him into getting his resolve back.
His own son time-raped him.

>while, I hope, Eren just wants to destroy the PATHS and with it the titan power AKA the determined fate.

This is the only thing that Eren might think is more important than the rumbling. It would also fulfill his original goal of killing all the titans and freeing humanity from them. If Paths are gone, then no one is a titan anymore and Eldians are just regular humans.

Of course, if Eren can actually do this, he should just tell Zeke about it since it’s clearly preferable to euthanazing Eldians.

As always, I think the question with fighting or obeying fate is "Depends on the fate."

Folks in SnK are anti-fate, and oh boy, are Berserk fans anti-fate, but One Piece fans love Luffy and his fate.

>If Paths are gone, then no one is a titan anymore and Eldians are just regular humans.

Except Eldia is now powerless and the rest of the world and/or Marley will fucking genocide them anyway, and all Eldians will be killed irregardless.

>If Paths are gone, then no one is a titan anymore and Eldians are just regular humans.
So the walled Eldians are useless and get killed.
So the Paradis Eldians are powerless and get killed.
Marley is still at war, faggotface.

Endgame should be the flattening.
The titans go to the other side of the earth, trapping all Marleyans in the same three walls leading to the live action SnK movies.

>he should just tell Zeke about it since it’s clearly preferable to euthanazing Eldians.
Maybe Sieg antagonizing him is the only way to achieve that future.
Maybe, if he told him, it would never be realized.

This is how it should have worked. You cannot refute this.

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someone make an edit of Eren saying "That Scenery" and a transparent image of the ErenxHistoria doujin on it.

The fuck.
No

How are you all this stupid?

Did you rike it???

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Enlighten us

this means that from this moment when he touched historia's hand, eren saw everything that was gonna happen (and could have possibly used the power of the coordinate). would explain why his personality drastically changed after this point

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Yes.
If Eren always influences Grisha in that scene, why don't Eren and Zeke see a memory of Eren influencing Grisha? You know that's it's how it should be. Eren and Zeke as spectators, they see another Eren pop in existence. Zeke can't do anything. Because his titan doesn't do the memory time travel thing. Sucks to be him. Ultimate cuck.

but why is it that eren could selectively control what memories grisha sees, even though grisha also had the attack titan? does this mean that eren already used the coordinate to arrange this stuff before the time skip?

t. Isayama

brainlets and their linear understanding of time travel

>Because his titan doesn't do the memory time travel thing.

His royal blood is the literal only thing doing that.
Without it Eren couldn't be able to influence his dad at all. It's essentially using the power of the Founding Titan to alter memories, just in the far past which Zeke if he had the Founding could only do in the present.

>Laughing_Homestucks

Isiyama dropped several hints that Grisha could see Eren in the memories. During this scene he's looking at memory Eren while talking to young Eren.

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Because the attack titan just gets the memories Eren sent back to its users using the coordinate, something he will do when he takes control. Attack titan users can't see the future at will, they just retroactively benefit from something Eren has yet to do.

With no titans, Marley’s power evaporates, though. There is no more reason to genocide the Eldians.

From his perspective he's not seeing Eren, he's just hearing his voice and looking said way. He probably assumes he's going schizophrenic until he connects the dots.

thanks for the explanation user

t. Doctor Strange

Isayama you madman

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>With no titans, Marley’s power evaporates, though
They already pretty much stopped relying on Titans. Doesn't really do away with their million-men, army, jeeps, blimps and battleships.

And sure there is. Oil. Slavery. Historical bad-blood, assuming Magath dies the next leader in charge is just going to steamroll over Paradise like Britannia in Code geass.

holy fuck he WAS looking towards the way where he saw future Eren back then, that wasn't a last minute retcon from the last chapter

It's brilliant

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something is fucking telling me that the past evil shit the eldian did was also part of the plan and everything is just repeating itself. Hell, i would go as far as too say that Ymir stopped caring because of eren and people like him making timeloops.

at the end of the day, both sides of the war are at fault for all this since they are both racist and assholes trying to get power and nothing more. if you killed and leaders and secret groups like the family then nobody would care about bloodlines,titans and even coexist.

all i could say is youtube.com/watch?v=ztZI2aLQ9Sw

I skimmed the first few hundred post in this thread and people are claiming that Eren specifically is some time god, why?
All the chapter said is that the holder of the Attack Titan has the power to see memories of the future/past and influence them. This is an Attack Titan power, not an Eren power.

>speedniggers
don't pay attention to them

This.

Read nigga.

Attack titan can see the future thru people who have it.

Tho i think the attack titan can't do this but the founder titan is the reason for it.

>mfw its real

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Ymir is an indifferent deity, a malebrancheian god. She's impartial to humans and eldians and only does whatever the one beholden to her commands.

She has no more agency than a pocket watch, like the Spirit in Hegel's philosophy.

He's not.
He needs Zeke's royal blood just to even alter memories/influence the past, without which he can only really take a peak.

>why
Because people like to make exaggerations on the internet, sometimes for comical purpose, sometimes to draw a reaction from others. People who believe they are smart are triggered to explain what everybody already know to obvious jokes or obvious trolls.

He said that "there's no way that Zeke is that old bearded man", maybe he was seeing Eren

There's literally no indication in 1 chapter that he was looking at something special. Is this fakememoriesfags once again thinking Isayama is a genius and planned everything from the beginning?

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Wouldn't that be Zeke's own doing tho? He was projecting the memory of his own image onto Grisha in that present moment.

>That doesn't justify Eren suddenly being able to influence people from the past and him being a divine God being that existed since the beginning of all time
why not?

All of these screencaps here I swear are more than likely from the same poster.

well there’s also no indication he ISNT looking at something special!

SnKfanbase overanalyzes everything and comes up with most retarded theories every single time. It's just a fact

It's not that complicated.

Attack Titan (Eren) ---> Let's the users see into the future --------> Connects Grisha's memories -----------> to Eren's memories
It's like a time-slider on a youtube video basically.

Founding Titan (Eren also) can alter memories but only in the present and it needs Royal Blood (Zeke/Historia). It's photoshop that can let you edit the frame on a video.

Founding Titan + Attack Titan + Royal Blood = You can go to the past and alter the memories of past Attack Titan users, i.e. slide back in time and edit or project past-memories aswell.

And it's not really an asspull given the parts of this ability have already been established.

Theres a theory that the devil that Ymir Fritz makes a deal with is Eren.

imgur.com/a/EY2aiSr

If you compare with this panel, it looks like it could be possible. Eren has the coordinate power and time doesn't exist in the paths world, and the very first chapter's name is "To You, 2000 Years From Now", and 2000 years from when Ymir Fritz made the contract is where the story is right now

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Fake memory was a retarded idea, Grisha looking straight at future Eren is probably just a small nod to the fact Grisha didnt look at kid Eren on the first chapter, found it kinda cool

Maybe.
Also in the first chapter, when Eren wakes up, he is crying. And there's a short panel with the number 845 written in white with electric effect.
What does 845 stand for?

>what does 845 stands for
it's the year 845 you dumbass

ah fuck, I forgot it was the Eldian calender.

>Even the branches are PATHS

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

fuck!
Good eye.

Read the first fucking chapter

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Grisha saw from Eren's perspective because Grisha can see Eren's future memories. So when Grisha was looking at Eren it was because Eren was looking at Grisha and Grisha is staring at the spot Eren is standing. When he saw Zeke in his study it was because Eren saw Zeke, not because Grisha literally saw Zeke.

That legit looks like the attack titan.. HMMMMMMMMM

>The apple is the bucket

>To You, 2000 years from now
>"aww, when did your hair get so long?"
>"I just feel like I had the longest dream..."
>starts crying
I can't believe this shit was orchestrated all along

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Fuck bros, what attack titan that we know of has a hoodie as well?

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why would it be bad if they touched there?

It does.
Could be a red herring.
We don't know.

The Jaw is wrong.
I don't think Eren has claws either

>Eren tries to stop Ymir by offering her the founding titan
>Ymir rumbles the current timeline
>Ymir gets born into the new world with the power of the titans
>Same shit happens all over again

He already saw the future. Therefore it has already been decided by fate that Eren would do x action to accomplish that result.

You seem to be under the impression that you dictate what happens in the future.

someone screencap

why was Ymir transporting a crummy pail of water anyway? she should have been fetching pokémon creatures instead

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The hoodie is not important, what is important is the facial resemblance with the attack titan. Some weeks ago anons pointed out that Eren might hold the seed of the devil, that the devil is a different entity from the other titan. I think the AT is the devil from the past.

>Bucket has water in it
>Source of organic life is water

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Bucket is the apple, Ymir will give Eren the bucket.

it's just water.

Water that molds the sand into titans.

I want to believe that Kruger is actually the devil or at least someone carrying his will, another pawn like Grisha and that Eren was warning Mikasa and Armin about it, telling Armin that a shifter's mind can be infected by a past user and telling Mikasa that she should not listen to his commands.

good point

I'm fond of the dbz and steins gate version, basically differing versions of alternate worlds where time travel doesn't change your past, as much as creates another world where a version of you traveled there.
In DBZ these worlds exist simultaneously but in steins gate the old one collapses and only the new one remains.

this might be a bit of a stretch but it seems like the devil is missing a thumb in this pic, in the panel you sent eren loses his thumb.

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This can't be the end though.
So Eren is the only one to ever make Ymir stop.
and his bargain is that he gives her
>Founder
>Attack
>Warhammer
So how would Ymir get the other titans?

Could be that the water is actually the power of the titans. So giving the bucket/apple to Eren/devil would give Eren/devil the power of the titans while Ymir might free herself.

That could be the deal. Freedom or the power of the titans.

And Eren is stuck in the Paths until he's...
>BORN INTO THIS WORLD

thread full of retards like OP who can’t grasp the universe viewed as a whole

So another author tried doing time powers and fucked it up? How can Togashi explain a time power in 1 chapter and even speed readers can understand?

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I dont like this type of time travel story, because even if it dodges plot holes way more easily it just makes it less interesting. And in the end with Steins gate this didn't even work because Okabe traveled back to the time of the first episode and his actions impacted the same Okabe, although that should have supposedly been on a different timeline.

>How can Togashi explain a time power in 1 chapter and even speed readers can understand?
because they have months of time to digest and talk about it before the next one.

OH SHIT!
>Could be that the water is actually the power of the titans.
That will explain the steam when they transform!

>So giving the bucket/apple to Eren/devil would give Eren/devil the power of the titans while Ymir might free herself.
No.
Let's not jump into conclusions now, the future is never set.

>People watch this
>People read this

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>When titan flesh dissolves it turns into steam
>Turns back into water in the paths to be used again

I don't think the AT is the devil, or if he is, the devil is really Eren himself.
To pull another entity at this stage would kind of take away from Eren's actions. Plus he has already been named the devil by the marleyan
If pic related is indeed the last panel, it must be Historia's baby, maybe Eren does stop and free Ymir from the paths and she is reincarnated into the baby same way as if a titan shifter dies without being eaten the titan reappears in a random eldian baby

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SHIEEEET

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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Eldians were always slaves to the Founder. So long as Titans exist, none of them have ever been free or will be.

Marley=The Eternal Anglo

Wouldn’t that be taking freedom away from his unborn child?

>Eren will control the bucket
>Will be forced to create titans for the rest of eternity
>Loses his freedom forever

you might be right, anyhow historia's baby needs to tie in with all of this somehow

When you say "this type of time travel story", are you referring to SNK, DBZ, or SG?

And the SG does make sense when viewed properly, although I know how pretentious that sounds.
In episode one okabe found a murdered kurisu. But, he never actually checked the body, if I recall properly. This started the entire story. It ended when he went back, set up the same situation, to have her body covered in blood like in the original only not having her be dead.
It's implied that the original body he found may not have been dead though, and that he merely ended the loop that he started himself... I think. To be honest it's been a while since I played the VN.

anytime I see this trope I go THE INK IS DRY.
It's not so bad.

GODDAMN!

I was talking about steins gate and dbz. its too early to tell with snk but at the very least it doesnt seem to follow the type of time travel that steins gate or dbz had

The devil gives the apple to Ymir.

youtube.com/watch?v=Oj9Yuf4yalo

There's a plot hole in our theory here.
Eren doesn't have all the titans to give Ymir right now.

Oh shit.

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It’s a bent thumb retard

Is the rest of the world fucked?
No matter who wins they will end up with a nation who could wipe them all out

>the devil is really Eren himself
This.
The original source for this manga, a fantasy novel by an american author had the same premise.
Eren is not tied by Eldian blood-pact, he is outside of it and can influence it through the paths.

There is no way in god damn hell I am betraying Kruger, that spiffy well put together man with a good head on his shoulders, for team zeke and his no cummies policy.

samefag

I didn't ask these gay retards to have a onions attack over my comments

Someone spoonfeed me everything

No
Only these are me

Isayama is definitely keeping the tree and this scene in mind, since it literally made up the biggest panel in that MEMORIES spread. Plus the tree of Ymir is modeled after it.

I'm actually so fucking hyped right now, regardless of what people say about this part of the story it's obvious some shit that's been long in the making is finally coming together. It has such a grand scale to it. And I'm not a shipper or anything but I seriously hope we get some resolution for Mikasa

>Eren is the Devil
>The Devil is a fallen angel
>The Devil got tricked by Ymir and got kicked out of heavens
>this is all a part of his redemption arc to undo his crime

go through the thread, everything that you need to understand the latest chapter is in here (plus theories for the future)

Eren can't give Ymir all the titans here, because he doesn't have them.

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Maybe this not the Abrahamic devil?
I think there will be two timeline divergence- one will loop back to Year 845 and another will continue with historia's baby.

Space-time boogaloo.

Damn, I am remembering the simple times when people thought this is just a Seinen about fighting giant zombies

...

Then he must acquire them ASAP after he goes back.

Eren is the devil, but only because he is the devil that is will convince Ymir to fight for her freedom, cursing her to 2000 years of suffering for her and her people in the pursuit of freedom and all that entails.
The devil of all earth, the incarnation of humanity's thirst and rage.
The devil we need.

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So Eren is the devil.

Ymir is still an innocent little girl being pushed around.

And whatever deal Eren is going to make with her in the paths is going to release the power of the Titans into the world and retroactively cause the whole story to begin in the first place?

Is that what's going on here?

I looked in the anime.
It has its thumb.
Pretty sure iseyama was involved.
If it was plot relevant it wouldn't be there.

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Didn't Zeke just make a ton of eldians into titans?

No I mean the nine.
Eren can't give Ymir all nine titans in exchange for her stopping.
He doesn't have them in his possession.

>"yeah, I planned to use the founding titan's power to unleash all of our colossal titans so we can flatten the rest of the world, how could you tell?"

Must be a 'covfefe', Isayama would not likely do this.

FPBP

>Seinen
Lmao

Based. This series is getting ridiculous.

>The last thing Eren sees on his first page is Mikasa saying "see you later"
So maybe Eren grabs Ymir and says
>"I'll get you all the Titans and take your place in this hell"
>"give me a day"
Maybe this is why Annie is waking up.
So that Eren can eat her.
>Eren wins
>Mikasa and gang say "see you later Eren"
>He brings all the titans to Ymir in the Paths.
>Ymir comes out of the paths and goes back to her time.
>Eren is trapped in Path hell from the time Ymir exists to the time he is
>Born into this world
>Free

Probably won't happen but still

Too bad that's the dumbest power system in all of manga history.
>you can just make up you power as you feel like it
>but at the same time you can discover a random power
>you can invent rules out of thin air based on some vague gameplay balance which makes no sense

Togashi is a lot more skilled and experienced author than Isayama retard

I wish we could see Levi in the Jaw.
Too bad he's a nip

>lot more skilled and experienced author
Too bad he's wasted his time on battle shounen his whole life

Hunter x Hunter hardly can be considered 'battle' shonen

lmao kys

Sorry

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the existence of a paradox itself means that it doesn't make sense

Then our world must make no sense. Also, any story with time travel involves the possibility of paradoxes, no exceptions

Real world doesn't have controlled time travel, dingus
that's why time travel is nonsensical and makes no sense in any fiction.

Can someone explain this to me
Why are the rest of the world siding with Marley when Marley is planning to use the Titans to assert their hegemony like they used to?

Is it as simple as Xenophobia?

>If I had to say the main problem with these types of time fuckery mechanics is that literally anything is possible from this point on and that can make the reader feel left out of the action, conflicts and stakes. When you can't make head or tails of what's happening, and everything comes out of left field to you, the action becomes indisguishable from a random trainwreck.
Well put.

To you, 2000 years from now.

>Marley is planning to use the Titans
You are reading too fast.

They are going with the flow.
They just concluded a massive war.

Marley is.
Zeke isn't

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>the rest of the world siding with Marley
are they tho

nice

The whole world saw Eren kill Tybur.
Every nation was there.

Holy fuck

open your mouth

now we get to see them all rumbled to death