Could he beat servants?

Where do the screws come from?

Stop speedreading. It's not that he can't win, as he wins multiple times throughout the series, but that he feels that he loses even when he wins, because his goal isn't met or etc.
And he already gets over this I'm pretty sure.
Bookmaker screws are illusionary. All Fiction screws are real.

「I don't know about that」

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>Could he beat
No.

He just relentlessly trolls everyone in the grail war.
Especially Gilgamesh.

He would lose. Sure, he'd have defeated the servants, stolen the holy grail, and fucked Rin's unprotected anus... but he'd still say he lost.

I miss him.

That entire sequence was amazing. Seeing that alone would make you fall for Kumagawa.

What would Kumagawa do if he somehow got caught up in the Fifth War?
What about the Fourth?

Well he won his own harem of kouhais with that

His entire shtick is that he always loses. So no, he couldn't. Unless we're talking about post Medaka Box Kumagawa, then maybe.

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>post Medaka Box
>All Fiction
>April Fiction
>Non Fiction
>Bookmaker
Yeah there's nothing anything in the Nasuverse could do to him.

Isn't he technically one of the most powerful characters to come out of WSJ? Turning anything into nothing, even someone like Goku is insanely OP. The only thing you'd have to factor in is if he could activate the power before getting killed. But even then he has revived himself from death before by making his death become nothing.

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He can also turn the time it takes him to do something into nothing, allowing him to effortlessly speedblitz.

So why is he usually forgotten on power rankings? I know the ones I've seen on Yea Forums have him but whenever I see powerlevel threads he's usually not there. Must be getting forgotten since it's been so long.

Because the characters aren't really meant to be taken seriously.
Reality Warpers like the top tiers of Medaka don't make good matchups.

Medaka herself can just use Scar Dead to defeat practically anyone who has ever been damaged more than once, and that's just one of her powers.

Here's Goku vs Scar Dead for example
It opens all of your old wounds.
>every bone in body broken
>almost every organ destroyed
>the cumulative effect of any damage ever dealt to him via punches
>hole through his heart
>huge hole through his chest
>vaporized utterly by Cell

>Stop speedreading. It's not that he can't win, as he wins multiple times throughout the series, but that he feels that he loses even when he wins, because his goal isn't met or etc.
>And he already gets over this I'm pretty sure.
This. In terms of fights his winrate is extraordinary. We even see him beat najimi's clone at one point.

is this correct?

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It's possible in theory.

Friendly reminder that Kumagawa can win with the power of the hivemind.

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season 3

I'd say fucking Rin is a loss user

>Power levels
Lmao

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i don't think anything else has infuriated me more with the 'at the end, we all lost our powers and became fucking normal' trope as much as medaka box

he would lose, like always but that one time

they kinda had to explain why the adults didn't really do anything i think

He could kill servants. Hell, he could kill almost anything outside beings past the universe's laws like Demonbane but his ability to always lose will come through when it counts. If the "objective" is to kill the servant, then he will lose at it. If it's just on accident and he's unaware that it's a duel, then he will not be able to through plot powers.

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shit, for that last sentence
then he WILL be able to*

Medaka box cured me kf shounen shit permanently. It's such a good deconstruction of the genre

>Medaka box cured me kf shounen shit permanently
Same, now I'm obsessed with chuunishit instead

>deconstruction
Medaka Box was Nisio's love letter to shounen manga

pretty perfect desu since wiping them from existence means no fuel for the grail

Apparently they come from his Minus. He describes this in a late fight.

Shimapan

>Servants
Throw him to Full Root-access Ryougi Shiki. I wanna see what's gonna happen.

Is Kumagawa also become normal at the end? The OG manga never answered it.

Most likely not, he is either dead or with Ajimu for the rest of forever

Also Kumagawa isn't really like that.

Even disregarding the "he sees everything as his loss" thing, if he met half of the people from WSJ I don't think he'd want to use All Fiction on them but maybe I'm wrong. WSJ exists in MB I'm pretty sure. I just think he'd be more inclined to have an actual anime fight, if only for a little.

Don't trust anything from that site. All the bullshit they do to alter battles to make them 'fair.' Go into one of the battle threads. "speed equalized." Both X-X version. No "hax" either. Blood lusted. Standing X distance away from each other.

what other series does this?

that's Anshin'in
yes and no, there's no such thing as "his time". One could argue that using All Fiction on the time frame in which he moved would simply cause a timeskip.

>speed equalized
This is always stupid. What's the point of a "who would win" if you are going to be taking away one sides advantage?

They hide threads as well. If a character does too well. It's a good way of causing hero or heroine characters like Medaka to end up with a string of losses and no stomps despite the fact she probably has won more than she's lost.

Wasn't that the reason he didn't just All Fiction then out of existent because he wanted to have anime fight? He could have won every fight straight up just by doing that.

These aren't mutually exclusive.

I'm pretty sure someone would find a way to turn off his powers.

Even if he can erase everything, he wouldn't do it.
You all seems to forget about his character, he will let anyone that fight him beat the senseless shit out of him.
He only ever used his power to make sure the person he fights will feel like shit afterwards. That's what makes him the best, despite having OP power yet always lose, he will make sure to broke the other person soul.

Say if touma ever punch him to death, kumagawa will probably cried and ask for forgiveness only to threat him that he will take his frustration of all those beatings to the first civilian he'll see.

He's just great.

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Sounds like someone isn't living his life correctly

bookmark seals it up

He wouldn't or maybe he couldn't.
He can't erase other people minuses for one, yet he could erase a color from the universe.

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Here's a real question, Could he beat Bobobo?

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He could erase the minus, but it would just instantly resurface.

While that site is usually way too wanky, I do recall Medaka being around lightspeed.
I also recall Kumagawa doing that time to nothing trick in his special chapter.

Akasha is omniscient, Kumagawa isn't and has been unable to erase things before because of it. I don't see how he was a way to even land a hit on someone like that.

kumagawa sealed ajimu
he can seal akasha

Yes, but he loses anyway because he's a minus. But he looks awesome while doing it and becomes everyone's favorite character. So in the end is he really the loser?

The answer is yes.

If he can seal the nigh-omnipotent God-Like Entity which is multiple times older than the universe with Bookmaker, he can seal a Connection to the Root.

All Fiction could likely also straight up delete the universe.

What Servant would he summon?
An Avenger?
Manjew?

The seal requires hitting a physical body with a physical object that can be avoided, if you're talking about attacking Akasha that's obviously not a physical entity and he doesn't even know it exists anyway. And in the case of the character you were talking about, it was implied she could escape if she wanted to.

>Throw him to Full Root-access Ryougi Shiki. I wanna see what's gonna happen.
The seal requires hitting a physical body with a physical object that can be avoided

>if you're talking about attacking Akasha that's obviously not a physical entity and he doesn't even know it exists anyway
You spoke of a hypothetical scenario, I stated that Akasha would entirely erased for reasons already stated

Bookmaker does not require a physical screw. Perhaps it makes it more potent, but Kumagawa can use Bookmaker with only his words

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Why would an omniscient reality-warping entity allow its agent to be hit by that?

Reality Warper vs Reality Warper.

>The seal requires hitting a physical body with a physical object that can be avoided
Kumagawa is a Chuuni faggot who nerfs himself to look cool.
I doubt he needs the screws.
If he does though, he can just pseudo-timestop to get the hit like he did against those bitches in his Gaiden.

Kumagawa vs Gilgamesh, how does it go?

Motherfucker couldn't beat his dick if he was watching porn

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>Power to literally delete the shit out of anything from existence with his mind alone
Let's be honest, without the goddamn "In the end i can't win" schtick horseshit he's fucking unstoppable.

>wins
>"Heh, looks like I lose."
>opponent is impaled with multiple screws

How?
Even All Fiction can't permanently erase minuses.

Would he be capable of killing Jesus servant?

Yes

I think that what best sums him up is that he's a loser in life, not a loser in battle.
By Kami, that ending...

This is an pretty accurate description of what would happen.
Wins the battle, but loses in life.

The weakest one

Am I missing something here? I thought this dude even if he was introduced as OP struggled to even beat a guy without any superpowers.
Why are shitters still licking his balls?

Main Character Hax and Metafuckery is strong in Medaka Box and Kumagawa is too apathetic.
Take him out of Medaka Box and he's a nightmare.
Honestly though, he can just totally recover from any damage and do shit like this.
He can delete anything.
People, concepts, events.
Anything.

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Or he can permanently blind you by deleting your eyesight.

He's just bullshit.

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That's a limitation of him, not of other powersets. You could probably kill the entire concept of that power with Mystic Eyes if you wanted to.

from this panels I get that he can only remove reality and not add or alter it in any other way. But from reading the manga this guy is all kinds of nonsensical bullshit. Did the author just said "fuck it" because he wanted a wild card in the story?

Doubtful.
All Fiction is easily at least on the level of Mystic Eyes of Death Perception if not higher (it could possibly delete all of existence) and all deleting somebody's minus does is make it go away for a while before coming back.

You can do some crazy bullshit when you can deny and delete any aspect of reality you want.

The problem of understanding how to destroy something is not a problem for all-seeing Akasha. The death that you trigger with mystic eyes is the "actual end" of the being (Akasha knows whether it keeps living after you kill it.) Shiki even says she can time travel, among other things.

No I mean, All Fiction has no restriction on what it can delete.
Minuses are just special by the rules of the universe and would come back anyway.
Kumagawa can delete ANY aspect of reality.
You stabbed him?
He can choose to delete the reality you stabbed him or the damage itself.
He can delete time too if he wants and instantly act.

Ability that can destroy all reality > Akasha

Basically the only things you can't permakill with (Ryougi's) mystic eyes are things where the concept of them ending doesn't make sense, i.e. god level beings that aren't meant to die. If it can end, you can kill it. Kumagawa's power wouldn't exist after Kumagawa dies (of old age, or whatever other cause), so you should be able to kill his power. All Fiction has more restrictions even in-universe, recall why couldn't he deal with Iihiko at all?

Akasha exists outside time and could make it so he was never born, that's not even a question. Shiki's usage of its powers is just kind of fuzzy. If he has any leg up it could be that she has to physically act to do things, but I'm not sure if that matters if she can do what she says she can.

You bring up Iihiko but that's pure metafuckery end boss.
Motherfucker one shots Ajimu (A God level being) with a rubberband.

I uh
I don't think Kumagawa actually ages.
Ajimu mentions he can't die and he's the only one who seemingly never loses his powers.

The reason why he and Ajimu can't win against Medaka is quite literally because she has canonical plot armor being the "main character".
You are talking about Void Shiki here, right? We have quite literally no feats about her, so most of it is just your headcanon. I think I remember nasu talking about how she would be at a standstill vs an average servant, if she was on the defensive. She is, after all, still a human.

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>exists outside of time
Honestly it's kind of pointless to compare Shiki (with Root access) vs Kumagawa if you're just going to claim Akasha directly gets involved.
Because I can just as easily say Ajimu herself gets involved being somewhat linked to Kumagawa.
Ajimu shits all over Akasha.

If the question comes up, all we have to go on are what she says about what she can do (going back in time to change history, rewriting laws of matter.) It's kinda like trying to argue about who can beat GER, there's not enough info. But someone asked the question.

>who can beat GER
Kumagawa, funnily enough.

I think so. It's been a while since I've read the manga but I'm pretty sure that was why.

Medaka already knows this.

Would Kumagawa consider Shirou a Minus?

Would Kumagawa and Shirou get along?

>at a standstill vs. an average servant
If I recall correctly, the context is like "fighting skill," not overall power level. I.e., just her ability to use a weapon and hit people with it.

>erases universe over chinese card game
>can't delete negatives
nothin personnel kid

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>>erases universe over chinese card game
In wich spin-off did this happen?

so what about the power she made for the guy to specifically nullify Medaka's powers . Shouldnt it work on everyone else making him immune to asspulls and comebacks?

he would treat him the same he treats zenkichi

>Would Kumagawa and Shirou get along?
No, because Kumagawa doesn't get along with people period, hates anything that is popular, especially hates guys who are popular with girls or have friends. He's basically your average Yea Forums poster if he was a WSJ character

So, what's the bare minimum required to beat him? It's been a long while since I've read Medaka Box.

I mean, Shirou isn't actually popular.
He's a doormat who's power makes him think he's a sword.
His only friends are a prick and an autistic priest apprentice.
I mean, he's got Sakura I guess, but that doesn't really make him popular with girls.

steal his power and use it 120% better than he does

All Fiction isn't even needed.
Physically, he's strong and fast enough to easily match most servants.

Weaker than CHADren the Gray

Why was he so based

I think Ajimu's plan was to make Medaka not the main character anymore.

That was so much faggotry. I'd rather Zenkichi choked on thousand dicks than me being fed that bullshit.

Mob Psycho is annoying in a similar fashion. ONE's morality lessons are all that it is okay to be normal, as shown by the most powerful being in the universe who is an ordinary, average guy just like you!

>All fiction
>Erase him from existence
>Literally can't ever die, so he will always come back making his win inevitable
???

People used to speculate that his screws were illusory manifestations from his powerful imagination, but he later classifies them as Book Maker and All Fiction screws.

Personally, I think some supplementary aspect of his superpowers allows him to conjure screws and that won't change. If you're talking about something else though, Kumagawa says the world is based on surreal gag humor, so a lot of people can do things they shouldn't be able to.

He's weak against his cute kouhai.

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The Kumagawa LNs are being translated by someone now, iirc. I think they were posted a couple days back?

Nope, "projection" is the opposite of minus. So Shirou can't be that.
And yes they can get along, he's a bit similar like zenkichi after all.

Be female, preferably wear an apron with nothing else other than panties

Shitpost him to death about his favorite manga

I don't know user.
UBW seems to match more with being a minus ability.

He'd have to have atleast coerced some of his Naked Apron alliance girls for sex, if not the sharp teeth idol gal from that short story

Nah, the easiest way to see if your character a minus or not is by seeing thisShirou is definitely not a minus. Fucking hell, the entire point of HIGH JUMP is the exact opposite of minus.

Manjew it is then

This is the same guy who can be betrayed by everyone and can still be executed with a smile though.

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no. he'd lose.

Don't forget the heart disease

>WSJ character
WSJ?

lurk for 2 more years

>Wins
>Steps on poop
>"I guess this is my loss"

Someone post the page where he still tries to solve the riddle at the end of an arc and sits all alone.

That's him, that's the whole character

This is what happens in real life unless you're a weeb, user.
While in school you're a chuuni, collect cards, play fights, play games, have a vivid imagination and above all dreams, but as you grow up you leave all that behind (either because society wants you to or because you think you must, just like in the Chuunibyou anime).
The powers in Medaka Box are analogous to that.
WEEBS and Hikikomoris are the real life minuses... the losers... the Kumagawas...

I know
He's the best
Also someone post the latest powerlevel chart with the special section

That was Zenkichi

Nah that's just him being broken. You never seen him have that smile after or before that.

>Manjew and Kumagawa
Majew would probably gut him in the end but even then their interactions would be princeless

Not Ceasar?
He could also get Saber, because Kiritsugu is a bit of a minus.
The dynamic between Kumagawa and Arthur would be very similar to that of him and Kurokami and Ajimu.
Also: if the servants are supposed to complete the characters of the masters, like how the outgoing Alexander completed the introverted Waver or the virtuous Saber completed the Machiavellian Kiritsugu, then Kumagawa would definitely summon Arthur

Why did the anime end when his ark was about to start what a load of fucking bullshit.

Angra Mainyu is canonically the weakest servant possible, the version you see in HA is slightly better than actual Manjew because of posessing Shirou iirc but either way multiple times Angra Mainyu has been stated to be the weakest servant

The most of what I remember he lost because a reason like this:
>lost a fight match so he can torture zenkichi
>legitimate loss due to really shitty luck on every card games he's in
>lost because kouhais legitimately apologized

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>tfw the "it gets good later" meme is actually real
Anything with Kumagawa was kino as fuck

Kiritsugu is literally this person

>Manjew would probably gut him in the end
"All Fiction! My death is now nothing!"
>Manjews face when

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I see. He could also get Medusa, because of obvious sexual reasons

>the virtuous Saber
stop posting Urobuchi
Saber tried to kill Archer and Rin in a surprise attack the second she saw them without giving them time to react or say anything

Servants aren't supposed to complete the character of their masters
They're summoned through use of catalyst or connection to origin or through modifying the summoning incantation
Kiritsugu and Shirou got Seibah because of Avalon
Waver got Rider because of the cloak fragment he used
Serial killer guy (don't remember his name) got Bluebeard because they're both serial killers
Rin got Archer because she was inadvertently using a catalyst not knowing that Archer had her pendant in the future

I bet Medusa would feel disgusted.

He loves Ajimu too much for that.

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I miss Medaka Box, I enjoyed the fighting with bullshit powers in the minus and not-equal parts of the story moreso than the deconstruction commentary (which was also great to be fair). Outside of Jojo you don't see much reality-warping or concept-bending fights, it's usually just your stale super-strength and beam spam attacks battle manga. I guess some people just don't find it exciting unless they see flesh being rended, such a shame.

I don't know. She might like the naked apron

In case you didn't notice when reading the first time, Iihiko is a stand-in for the reader. No in-universe power can touch him, even all fiction, because he is not a real character. He is the reader, and no battle power written into the story can affect the reader. The only thing that has any effect on him are the word-based powers, because the author's words CAN affect the reader.

BUT the way they obtained the fragments were completely random as if given by fate.
Not everyone was out to get the fragment they ended up with, but the servants they summoned still completed their character personalities.
I can't think of any master who had a servant he/she didn't had this type of relationship with.

Ah yeah, that.
As I said, Metafuckery End Boss.

Kayneth and Diarmuid.
Medea and Atrum.
Medea and Kojiro.

Kumagawa's monologuing is giving me Kotomine flashbacks

It's hard to say. Like said, it's very easy to see Kumagawa treat Shirou like Zenkichi, because Shirou represents a sort of discipline, masculinity, strength, and moral rigidity that Kumagawa lacks. Even though Shirou's ideals are detrimental to the self and are often criticized as such, by contemporary standards, he can be considered moral. Unless you count Heaven's Feel, but even then, he doesn't condone the idea of letting people die, he merely wants to avoid killing or hurting Sakura in order to stop the problem, and in the end it works out.

However, Zenkichi is obsessed with looking cool and has been this way since Middle School. He's a bit different from Shirou. He's very sociable and well adjusted mentally. Shirou is none of these things. What this user says has some merit. For what it's worth, Shirou can get along with Shinji so he can probably tolerate Kumagawa, but that doesn't clarify whether or not Kumagawa would get along with Shirou.

Shirou is actually very popular with girls. He doesn't go out of his way to flirt with them or anything, but Tohsaka, Sakura, and Ayaka all appreciate him. Neverminding the high jump, Shirou was a top tier athlete. He only ever missed in archery because he wanted to miss. It's not hard to extrapolate from this that he has many admirers that we simply do not see.

Add to this fact that he's a polite doormat that will do anything for anyone in a Japanese setting and he's probably got a very good reputation. It's easy to see how Kumagawa would come to despise him, as with everyone else.

However, what says is important. Just from how a Minus is explained on paper, Shirou's ability fits it to a t. Even the projection aspect, as dismissed here is very Minus like, as Shirou's copies are degraded, as opposed to something like what Medaka does with The End, wherein she elevates the things she copies from others.

>Kayneth
Wasn't Kayneth a stuck up cheater, while Diamud was a very honorable person?
>Atrum
Atrum is a playboy, while Caster is a tragic character.
>Sasaki
And an assassin summoned by an unfortunate princess (one who works with the blade and the other with magic).

It would look like that

To be fair, Kotomine is pretty minus like.

Also, I'd say that the high jump is a very Minus like thing, except for the part where it impresses people, but my argument for that may be a little weak so I'll concede on that front.

The thing about Shirou is that he doesn't seem to move through life with a smile. It's not hard to imagine him doing it, mind you, I just can't remember too many instances of it actually happening; this is the problem with only being with the character for what is perhaps the most dramatic and stressful two weeks of their life. Not that I think Fate/Stay Night needed to be any longer.

EMIYA on the other hand is much more Minus-like, especially with his ruined, and mechanical UBW, bitter and dry humored nature. So while Shirou is debatable, I think it's fair to say he'd get along with EMIYA quite well.

Kumagawa's middle school haircut is so stupid looking compared to his high school haircut. I'm not even sure if he looked that different outside of that panel, but that backshot is hilariously bad looking.

I doubt it, but I mean technically those girls were Ajimu anyway.

The simple beams and destruction can be quite cathartic after immersing yourself in too much JoJo/MB

In the story, the Servants aren't all summoned from their personality compatibility, no, but from a writing perspective, it's pretty obvious that most of them are meant to say something about the character of the master that summoned them, and this was extremely apparent in Fate/Stay Night with Saber, Rider, etc.

Part of the issue with modern fate is that it forgets that the Servants are meant to be supplementary to the original human characters, not the focal point of what's going on.

I liked Kotomine in Fate/Zero

You seems to dismissed what minus is actually are.
From Naze's perspective or in general, they sees a minus based on its abilities. So you can consider shirou as minus, or maybe an abnormal that closest to being a minus.
But from Kumagawa's perspective, him being the worst of minus, he sees if someone is a minus based on their personality. Which shirou is by far the most not minus person of all time.

This was mentioned a quite few times in the manga if you actually paid attention.

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Hard working, having ideals, liked by many, want to be a hero of justice, selfless, and wanting to safe people, all of shirous traits is the exact opposite of minus.

>legitimate loss due to really shitty luck on every card games he's in
He win two card game

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Well the same word is used often to refer to both the ability wielder and the ability classification. I can understand Shirou failing the Minus personality check by Kumagawa's standard, and it would be fair if he did.

But yes, when talking about UBW, I mean based on how the abilities are described, it adds up.

Also, the person Kumagawa is talking to was already posted here and compared to Kiritsugu. I think it's a more apt comparison.

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No, he's bluffing during that. If the kouhai didn't stops him, the nurse would finds out he's cheating and kumagawa would lose either way.
I just read the chapter again. His shitty luck is legitimate.

but he win
in the other, he lose but acomplished a goal

in ataxia, its one of the bad endings.

No, his goal was to get the nurse to wear naked apron for the rest of her school life.

You know I think medaka box is pretty bad but it was really worth the read just for kumagawa

To this day, as the one who always follows Yea Forums's medaka box weekly thread a decade ago, I have never read chapter 1 to 54 of medaka box.

It had tons of character that are pretty one note, generic or just uninteresting like Zenkichi, Medaka, Naze, Akune etc.

Kumagawa would hate Shiro's passive self righteous guts
He would hate that Shiro has the power to bring change, but seeks ways to not use it.
He would hate this, because Kumagawa's powers in a way validate his existence to himself. I think that he knows that without his powers he wouldn't be a powerful loser, but just a regular loser.
So, he would hate Shiro for not using that power and make him his new play toy

Shirou Minus case user here, I like this assessment. I'll concede.

>So, he would hate Shiro for not using that power and make him his new play toy
How come Kumagawa discussions always sound so sexual.

>He would hate that Shiro has the power to bring change, but seeks ways to not use it.
Is this true?

Basically I think Shirou doesn't count as a minus but EMIYA does.
He's definitely a potential Minus though.

>How come Kumagawa discussions always sound so sexual.
Because he's one of us?

I haven't watched the show in a while, but I believe that he was against the Grail war at first

What, you mean the ritual of death that's obviously a fucking scam?

Yes, Emiya is very minus.
The guy just can't seem to get a break.
His past, his love, the relationship with his servant everything about him was minus

A scam? How so?

Not him but it doesn't grant wishes. It kills everything in a nearby radius.

Actually it kills everyone on the planet if it's actually used.

Yeah, I'm thinking that's the kind of change Kumagawa might want to avoid considering he hasn't done it yet. All those other things are valid points though.

He has the worst luck in the world, so it would probably be impossible for him to avoid it, unless there's a character like Medaka with plot armor powers that can negate Kumagawas bad luck.

Also
>Not him but it doesn't grant wishes. It kills everything in a nearby radius
Kumagawa would have the Emiya ending.

Nah, I was referring to when that other user said Kumagawa would hate Shirou for having the power to change things and seeking ways not to use it, but he was referring to the Grail as the method of enacting change when it's not. I don't think Kumagawa would fault anyone for not wanting to use the Holy Grail if he knew what it did.

Although I could totally see him chastising people over it and then finding out about it when Angra Mainyu is about to happen and going, "Oops, looks like I was wrong," or something when the situation is already spiraling out of control. That feels like a Medaka Box gag.

>Kumagawa would have the Emiya ending.
Which one? Big Shirou or Kiritsugu?

[He's lying.]

>I don't think Kumagawa would fault anyone for not wanting to use the Holy Grail if he knew what it did.
I see and I think that you're correct.
Nobody knew that the Grail was a scam at that point.

> "Oops, looks like I was wrong,"...That feels like a Medaka Box gag.
Lol, absolutely

>Big Shirou or Kiritsugu?
Kiritsugu

I think this picture should be preserved for future use in Kumagawa vs. match ups, along with a lot of the other posts here, especially that one where he basically explains that, being from a comedy manga, the conventions of other series don't really matter to him.

There's something one needs to understand when making these threads; if you're stacking up the ability without factoring in the character's personality and everything like that, then a lot of the point is lost. Can an ability that can erase anything from reality beat X/Y/Z? Yeah, of course.

Would it be deployed in such a manner? Probably not.

He's only ever completely erased a person in order to taunt someone else, and then he brought them back, which is something he fully intended to do. At best, All Fiction would be deployed to erase Noble Phantasms and other abstract effects. There are arguments to be made as to whether or not this would work considering he could not erase Emukae Mukae's Minus completely, and this is when All Fiction was at full power as a derivative of Hundred Gauntlets, a causality reversing skill that is first referenced when Kumagawa describes Ajimu's powers as god-like.

In a similar manner, he could use Book Maker to drop parameters and seal abilities, but based on things that have happened in F/SN before, it's more than likely that the effects of Book Maker would be watered down compared to what we've seen in Medaka Box, and would more than likely be stalled in a sense that it would take time for the afflicted Servant to drop to Kumagawa's level completely.

Kumagawa doesn't have the physical strength to compete with most of the Servants from the Fifth War either. More than likely, like Assassin he would get the everloving dogshit beaten out of him.

He would come back to life if most people killed him though, which they would. However if Ryougi Shiki (who isn't a servant) killed him, he would definitely stay dead.

The only thing the first ark was good for was for inspiring the doujin where students use the suggestion box to fuck medaka
The only thing the flask ark was good for was for serving as an intro to kumagawa

Don't forget all the Kumagawa x Medaka NTR doujins

Not a fan of lewding kumagawa but it's k

>Kumagawa x Medaka
cursed

too bad zenkichi is a fucking dolt

Kumagawa could just erase his concept of death though.
He's erased more for less.
Kumagawa vs Void Shiki is more fucky, and could conceivably go either way depending.
Shiki getting to abuse Akasha hax (which is mostly just statements) is kind of like Kumagawa just getting Ajimu to win for him.

With that said
Ajimu vs Void Shiki.

Also doesn't Manaka have the same sort of connection?
Doesn't she sort of get wrecked by Arthur?

>there is this supposedly holy relic that can grant wishes
>for some reason, every 60 years it needs to choose 7 people to kill each other over it in this random japanese town in order to determine who deserves it
>also it always makes sure to choose people from 3 specific families, 2 of which just so happen to basically own said japanese town
>despite this having happened 4 times, nobody ever apparently won the damn thing
Seems totally legit.

Everyone involved knows it isn't the actual Holy Chalice
The 3 families thing is because they are the 3 families that created the ritual in the first place
Double eliminations happen

>magic war for wish
>nobody has ever won
>tends to end in wholesale slaughter of every competitor
Well fuck me for being sceptical.

Kumagawa and Zenkichi chapters are always the best, their fight was my favorite

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I don't really know anything about Manaka.

>Kumagawa could just erase his concept of death.
Why would he do this specifically? Are we acting like he knows about Shiki's powers? Or are we assuming that Ryougi is taking her time with him and he can figure it out from the way things are going? I guess that's fine.

>Manaka
I don't know anything about Prototype lore, but just at a glance it seems like her connection to the Root manifests as a bunch of magical ability, rather than Shiki's ability to eliminate virtually anything.

Kumagawa's powers function on a Universal scale, he erased all colour in the universe in his OVA just to fuck with a guy who's power was colour manipulation.

He jobs in Medaka Box because that's just what he likes doing.
He's actually a threat to all existence if he feels like it.
He can also seal a nigh-omnipotent being that predates the universe 12 times over.

>He jobs in Medaka Box because that's just what he likes doing.
Kumagawa does not like jobbing, he has a complex.

>He's actually a threat to all existence if he feels like it.
I'm aware.

>He can also seal a nigh-omnipotent being that predates the universe 12 times over.
Yeah, by applying an ability that brings people to his level several times over when he was a peak shitbag. Book Maker is related to Kumagawa's mindset, so its potency varies. More than one screw may be needed for maximum effect as demonstrated by Ajimu and implied during his fight with Shiranui.

Even if he sealed the Servants of the 5th War with one Book Maker, or Ryougi Shiki, he would more than likely still lose the fights.

Pic related implies he's still dangerous, and I believe that, but I don't think he's strong enough to overcome most Nasuverse characters in battle. Ryougi's had minimal swordsmanship training, Tohno is an assassin, the Servants from the 5th War have spent most of their lives embroiled in strife, etc.

Also, interesting to note from pic related is that Hundred Gauntlets sounds like GER.

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You're really underestimating how powerful he is without even using All Fiction and Book Maker.

she let him seal her

imagine being so much of an incel that you publicly admit your micropenis and ever-virgin status to the internet because you gotta jerk off to cartoon drawings

Ajimu is the closest thing I'll ever have to a waifu.

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Doesn't he Fuck up some clones of her later on?

>no doujins of her using her billions of sex skills
why live

If you say so, I'm just saying Medaka still kicked the shit out of him under the influence of Book Maker which equalized them. It doesn't matter that much if he interferes with the hax or luck of other people.

...

Medaka is still bullshit even after that.
Main Character powers win.
Kumagawa himself is still superhumanly strong and fast.

There's this, but it doesn't count. I just want more of her in general, it's not fair.

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Yeah, I know, but Nasuverse's characters aren't really jokes either. Especially not Shiki Tohno. Servants are pretty strong physically too.

Shiki Ryougi on the other hand, seems to have minimal supernatural physical prowess. If I'm wrong, correct me.

fuck, this gif is so good

a picture literally from DA that someone copypasted a bunch of text in because they are an incel too? LOL imagine your penis being this sensitive to stimuli

pls go
you would probably nut before even penetration irl

Tohno is such a fucking meme.
Also he gets wrecked by Satsuki.

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>Kumagawa x Medaka NTR doujins
Based

according to those Shinji threads, yes he would but he would still lose somehow

it doesn't grant wishes, it was never able to grant wishes. Even before it was corrupted, it was meant to punch a hole into the Root so the 3 families can unlock the Third Magic

Using Medaka as justification for anything is kinda... eh.
See

I always thought it was something like this.

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The most buttwild thing is that he isn't even the most broken character in his manga.

He might be referring to the secret card game battle between him and Shirou in Hollow Ataraxia

Kumagawa x Zenkichi!

He can respawn faster at least

>GER: NO

GER is too broken, the NO meme is true.

Nah, All Fiction basically just says "fuck off" to Cause and Effect, deleting both.
GER gets deleted.
Heaven DIO can fuck it up.
Kumagawa doesn't even have the punch only limitation.

Tbh, it's doubtful that he actually could. Medaka Box works on some type of deterministic fate narrative where everyone is given a pre-determined weight like when Zeus spoiled us on the Trojan war by measuring Achilles and Hector on some golden scales first. "Abnormals" or "Pluses" in MB canon are people blessed with extremely fortuitous fate, while "Minuses" are their direct opposites. The titular character herself, Medaka, is the paragon of pluses, she's called a "Main Character"; and thus is unbeatable by virtue of fate itself.

And Heroic Spirits would be, in MB, some type of main character. Ajimu searched the globe for other main characters and the closest she found was Tsubami. Of course, there was another main character like Medaka, and that was Iihiko, and he beat literally everyone except for 2-3 people with the most overpowered ability in the series. Considering that Iihiko was a greek-hero archetype and Kumagawa could not hope to defeat him even with the power of surreal gag-humor, then there are certainly some Heroic Spirits, those are exceedingly high in "protagonist" traits, that he wouldn't be able to face. Something like Archer Herc for example, who is a "faultless hero". MB's fate system would just interpret him as being able to crush Kumagawa's skills.

So Heroic Spirits with high divinity, luck, valor, bravery, feats of heroism, etc. should be unbeatable to him. The character most likely to beat a Heroic Spirit in MB would be Medaka herself (if the hero she's facing is weaker), Ajimu (on weaker heroes), Hinokage (also a hero) or Tsurubami. And, of course, Iihiko himself, who was stronger than Medaka.

I don't count Fukurou, Zenkichi or Nienami with their paradox ability because it's an admittedly auto-win tool for the sake of the plot basically.

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This series tries to be special whacky and unique when its a piece of shit nonsensical bs

reminder that kumagawa deleted the colors of the world and thus that's the reason why the story in the manga is black and white

You're equating completely different concepts.
Medaka Box just likes being meta.
If he's not bound by "Hero always wins" rules, Kumagawa slaps.
Heroic Spirits in Fate definitely aren't of the "always win" variety.

Why are you guys even discussing this? Kumagawa has the power to completely erase anything without limit so it's no contest at all. The reason why he is unable to erase minuses completely is because they are powers that come from personality, so if the person still has the same personality after he erases the minus it just comes back eventually and even then it gets nerfed. You fags can talk about how the Root you be able to fuck him up but he can just erase his connection to the world and gain omnilock. There's no way nobody in Nasuverse can compare to his bullshit.

every power rangers

Satsuki's a vampire though.

Op here.
Tbh I just pulled a random pic off here from a power level thread and slapped the usual "Can X beat Y" on it.
It was extremely low effort but I still got a nice thread out of it and manga I look forward to reading in the future.

Yeah and Kumagawa is a character from a manga published in Weekly Shonen Jump.
My point is that he's superhuman in his own right.

Caliburn works like that actually.

Based. This guy knows his shit.

>breaks
Also no it doesn't.
The only "Always Win" ability belongs to Proto Herc.

Everyone has been saying this it doesn't really mean anything.

It means that he can delete concepts at a universal level.
It means quite a lot.

Caliburn grants the once and future king victory, that's why it was able to Kill Herc in Fate. The light it releases is conceptualized absolute victory, which supercedes something like multiple lives and regeneration. The moment it hit Hercules the battle is over.

We've already been over the massive amount of stuff he can delete and numerous problems arise, like his inability to completely erase a Minus even when All Fiction was at full power, the limitations of his personality and how could=/=would, etc. It's a dumb feat for the sake of a gag, and it's not something he'd actually do if it mattered.

Everytime

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We've been through the Minus things already.
It's not that they can't be erased, it's just that they come back as they come from personality.

>He would hate this, because Kumagawa's powers in a way validate his existence to himself. I think that he knows that without his powers he wouldn't be a powerful loser, but just a regular loser.
Hey hey, glorifying shirou is okay I don't mind it, but talking it out of your ass and bending the truth of another character so shirou can get more glorified is becoming more and more annoying.
I get it, you want shirou to be the more miserable existence than Kumagawa to make people sees his hardship is so harsh that he is the best character of all time that you want it so shirou to be minus so bad, but that's not what being a minus is.
You don't change midway and became a minus, you're born with it.

All fiction isn't originally his power. It's bookmaker. And he's willing to trade it permanently as long he achieved whatever goals he had in mind.

Zenkichi's Devil Style could also fuck up some Heroic Spirits, since it negates the luck stat completely.

Please provide the page in which this was stated and confirmed to be the reason Raff Rafflesia came back as an activated skill.

No it couldn't, because Luck isn't a factor in Fate unless something like Gae Bolg is thrown at a target. Luck only factors into certain "checks" you could call them.

Not really, why would he care about changes? He never once want to change society.

What I said was in reference to user analyzing a Heroic Spirit by MB's destiny shenanigans.

Zenkichi would still need to be physically capable of beating them. He's pretty strong though so he would probable be able to fight Hassan-i-Sabbah among others, but I still think most of the high tier ones like Gilgamesh, Hercules, Saber, Cu, etc, would destroy him.

You can't.
It's even stated the the all omnipotent being like ajimu can't bring the one who already dead.
What kumagawa did was just making the killing never happened.
He absolutely wouldn't avoid and will take the first hit if shiki launched right at him tho.

Definitely. Unless he has the bullshit Contradictory Conjunction powers.

Caliburn isn't Seibah's normal sword in any route though, she only gets to use it when Shirou projects it in Fate

It'll happen soon r-right bros?

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Yeah, I know, I just wanted to put it out there, Caliburn works like that.

Wasn't that just a temporary thing

Never happening and it is funnier that way

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To think that the predictions back then became a reality, this was done years before the anime was announced

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>Kumagawa doesn't get along with people period
He gets along with people just fine, stop projecting

How do you comb your hair like this?
i have a similar hair

>It's just a simple fact that you can't erase a Minus. They try it over and over again in the series (Naze's normalization drug being another example), but it never, ever works. The basic idea being that a Minus is formed from the circumstances. It's something the character has "lost", not something they've gained. In order to cure it, you'd have to cure their circumstances (ie: reform them). ...I suppose arguably Ajimu could do it, but that's just because she specializes in doing the impossible.

>"Minuses can't be taken away" is less a rule and more of a circumstance

>The first time Kumagawa tried to delete one with All Fiction but that wasn't very effective since he was trying to do something selfless for Emukae's sake. Minuses are a lot weaker when they're used for something precise like that and even weaker when they're used without negative feelings to strengthen them. The pluses interpreted this as "All Fiction can't delete other Minuses" because they wanted to see it as a limit of the (up till that point) seemingly limitless All Fiction.

>The second time Anshin'in took Hundred Gauntlets away and that was supposed to remove All Fiction but the truth was a little different. All Fiction wasn't a mutation of Hundred Gauntlets but rather an entirely new Minus that was born from Kumagawa. Anshin'in could have removed All Fiction after learning that if she'd wanted to but she wouldn't do that to him.

;_;

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Kumagawa sequel manga when?
It's free money.
I'd also buy Jump's shitty crossover games for playable Kumagawa.

I know right, in fact I bet minuses aren't actually that bad outside of the school.
They even invited the person they badly injured to a karaoke, and they're not lying about it. They really does goes to karaoke together.
For Kumagawa's case, despite his personality, he's actually a good senpai, a good leader, and a good friend to hangout with.
The only instance where he actually hate a person was when his kouhais got hurt, medaka and ajimu.
I don't think he ever hate any other person.

The fucking part when he tells a loli milf that he once saw a porn and the girl resembled her tho. The fuck is wrong with thay dude.

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>Isn't he technically one of the most powerful characters to come out of WSJ?

He’s barely in the top 5 in Medaka Box.

Where did you get this?

Iihiko is just that bullshit.

It's just another argument, it's nothing official, but I thought it was interesting.

Looks legit.

>But from reading the manga this guy is all kinds of nonsensical bullshit. Did the author just said "fuck it" because he wanted a wild card in the story?

Kumagawa is literally nothing compared to the main antagonists who come after him.

Isn't Akasha just the "living" part of Earth? So just blow up/erase the planet and Akasha can suck a dick.

Ah fuck, All Fiction is, amongst other things, a mix of King Crimson and Gold Experience Requiem, isn't it?

That's not a good way to describe it, no.

It erases things from existence, ignoring causality, and can even effect abstracts like color. It's way more busted than either of them.

The way Ajimu describes Hundred Gauntlets however is very similar to how we understand GER.

Was why I said "amongst other things", but yeah, thinking on it more, it's a lot more involved than GER.
Fuck, I need to re-read Medaka Box some day, I'm not too proud to say I didn't catch half the fucking underlying themes the first time around.

Yeah it's really confusing picking out what's to be taken literally and what isn't. The ending makes me feel like it's one big LARPing session.

I'm sure we can all agree that Nisioisin is god damn mental though.

He really is one of the super crazy greats.

I like crazy authors though.

why does he look exactly like hansode?

Nisio is an alien robot who is only vaguely aware of how to write stories so he just throws a lot of shit at the wall. But sometimes it really sticks.
Okitegami seems pretty normal though from what I've read

polaristranslations.tumblr.com/

No idea desu user. Ask /fa/, one of them might be able to tell you.

Wow wow wow, easy there fella.
You completely missed the point.
I called a Shirou a pantsy and said that Kuagawa would hate him for it.

1. People with Contradictory Conjunction
2. Shirahiko
3. Medaka's Final Mode
4. Ajimu
5. ....

Pretty precise desu user. I suppose it's possible that Kumagawa takes spot number 5, but he'd have some tough competition with people like Yuzuhira, Hanten and Tsurubami.

Woah a Kumagawa thread with almost 300 replies? This is great!

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reminder:

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Damn, this arc was fucking kino, too bad for the anticlimax end

I don’t think anyone with Contradictory Conjunction can be called the strongest seeing as Namanie had it and lost to Zenkichi, and Fukurou was slaughtered by the enraged Iihiko. Zenkichi could only beat Iihiko with it because his ability was just pure destruction (I think Fukurou created the Style to beat him, but it’s been a long time).

Medaka couldn’t beat Ajimu even in final form. All Iihiko had was destructive power (he can “tear the paper”), but Ajimu has endless Skills and Minuses that could beat her normally (“on the paper” if you will)

Wall Street journal

He could, as long as they can't seal/finish him off with the first strike, then they might temporarily win. Only other way to beat him is being his best pal Zenkichi

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It sure has been a long time, considering that 1) it's stated that Namanie could have easily won the entire Jet Black Wedding feast if she wanted to, Fukurou explicitly taught her the most overpowered Style since he knew she had no wish to use it; and 2) Styles don't work on those with sufficiently high Mad Enhancement because they're based on words and communication to work. It's a fatal weakness.

> Zenkichi could only beat Iihiko with it because his ability was just pure destruction
That Zenkichi with CC would literally kick Ajimu and Medaka in half if they fought and if he wanted to, unlikely as that would be for him to want.

> (I think Fukurou created the Style to beat him, but it’s been a long time).
He didn't. He created Testament as a fail-safe to destroy the planet should he die. CC was just his favorite Style.

Medaka has the exact same evolution as a hero as Iihiko. Even before, Ajimu couldn't beat her no matter what skills she'd throw at her. Medaka with her final mode born from a Style probably has any number of bullshit powers to keep Ajimu down.

>create someone as broken as Kumagawa
Who should be the next villain? Oh how about what is essentially God? Bet you feel foolish for thinking Kumagawa is such hot shit don't you. Nothing's topping that. Oh wait yes it is, here's a guy who can EASILY kill that god lady.

lol no

shitkichi is fodder and was only groomed to not be worthless

also ajimu 1 shots MB from outside of shonen jump because they are all only fictional characters stuck inside of a manga

non avatar ajimu views the shonen jump multiverse as fiction

Honestly I liked the early slice of life shit

Is this the absolute state of Ajimufags??

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I think that's my favorite thing about it. It's not just being meta for the sake of criticizing the genre so much as it's a send-up of the genre. It has as much fun subverting the series as it does giving into those tropes completely. It just feels really earnest and that's better than some cynical commentary on how all Shounen is the same. It's just taking all those archetypes to their most extreme degree.

What exactly are Ajimu's terminals?

People in the world that are technically her, iirc.

Excellent, you completely missed the point those characters served in the narriative. Let me educate you.
Nisio decided after the flask arc, or maybe he had it planned from the beginning, to have each new boss represent a different role in the literary process.

Kumagawa is the editor. His two main powers are to delete anything he wants and to keep other characters and the setting grounded to his level. His role in the story changes with the popularity of the series, and he can beat anyone in the series except for the main character (because the editor can't do much to change the premise) and Ajimu.

Ajimu, who represents the author. She can give and take powers away from whoever she wants and has a third person perspective of everything that happens in-universe. She is only by the editor and became more free as the series entered its more popular arcs. She also changed who the main character was, something the "editor" couldn't do. She is completely untouchable by anyone in the series other the Kumagawa, the editor, and Iihiko.

Iihiko, who represents the reader. He is unaffected by any power that the characters use, even the author, because the work of fiction can not hurt the reader. The reader CAN be hurt by the authors words, and thats why the word based powers introduced in the wedding arc worked against him. They also stopped working on him when he became enraged because "their words didn't reach him". As the reader, he doesn't even have any powers other than permanent damage, which is really just him accidentally or purposefully tearing the page. Wounds inflicted to the pages this way cannot be healed by the characters within them.

Tldr, if you read Medaka Box as a battle shounen and not metaphoric poetry you did it fucking wrong

Beautiful and based.

Interesting take.

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yes thread finally dies

I don't think there's a single servant, or even any combo of three servants that could handle him. Even bloodlusted, he'd delete them all.

No he wouldn't.

All Fiction isn't a win condition for Kumagawa, it's something he applies to torment opponents or get rid of things he doesn't feel like dealing with. Someone even posted a panel about it earlier, he flat out says relying on All Fiction to be proficient in battle is something he's never done, and he's never done it.

Stop factoring All Fiction into Kumagawa fights its retarded. Use Book Maker instead.

Did Ajimu really die? It felt kind off.

Nope.

Ajimu beat her in the election. That shows Medaka can be beaten and the story won’t necessarily save her. And Nienami did use the style, that’s how she cut a metal ship in half.

Ajimu has clealry pointed out that she has Life Zero, which can nullifies other's skills. So she can nullifies The End and the other skill Medaka has acquired. She could have easily defeated Medaka but her interest was never in fighting her; she just wanted to see the impossible event of Zenkichi defeating Medaka to either confirm or deny her delusion about reality.

I agree with most of what you've said, but Kumagawa isn't the editor. He's the standard antagonist -- always fated to lose, and can never beat the protagonist. All Fiction is his attempt at denying this. This is why he wants to be a main character, to fight against the protagonist.
Regarding Iihiko, that's something entirely different. As shown in pic attached, your oc donut steel can have the ability to remake the multiverse at will, cause big bangs whenever they want, have the combined powers of everyone in the verse, but they'll never be able to do anything to Iihiko. On the contrary, being the reader, Iihiko can just rip you in two or throw you away and your oc donut steel can do nothing in response.

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Medaka threads always evolve into something interesting. This series really did a good job in diving into the depths of the shonen narrative!

It would have been kino if Kumagawa finally beat Medaka in the end

Kumagawa didn't beat medaka but technically he did win. Off-screening pretty much every major fight in the ending was absolutely majestic

What was the point of Nienami?

Such a pointless character.

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Rip gainax

I don't know but I made this a while back but the thread I wanted to post it in died before I was done.

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Is Medaka box good?

No but it's worth reading.

Why I should read it if it isn’t good?

To enjoy the good bits.

good job user

Seems to be autistic screaming to me.
Kumagawa still stomps the Nasuverse.

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What was the best fight in the series?

i wanna rest my head on sleepy-chan's butt

You're doing God's work user. Hope Zenkichi dated her at some point while he was tired of Medaka for that period.

isn't it universally accepted common knowledge that death is a better fate than dating Nienami?

Daredevil Zenkichi is the perfect fit then

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Was it like 10 years or something? When medakabox was a thing in Yea Forums

It ended in 2013

how does she fit in this hearing her name makes me think of "NisioisiN" so badly

Medaka vs Kumagawa I guess

Weird, I don't remember them ever being so friendly. I guess I need to re-read Medaka Box.

EMIYA

Nienami couldn’t just butt her way into the main cast, so she did just butt her way into the main cast.

What Class would Kumagawa be as a Servant?
What would his stats be like?

Season 3 when?

after season 2 of Panty and Stocking

Neat, when's that?

Right after season 3 of Haruhi and season 2 of No Game No Life.

I haven't been following those but can't wait

I'm sure Nienami would be really annoying in bed

>dining keeps making medaka box scat doujins
>new one just got translated
absolutely based

Still after all these years? I fucking hate scat but I admire his dedication to the series.

They're really cute together actually

but Nienami was a bizarre addition by Nisio. It seems there was more planned to happen with her character before the manga ended (might have gotten axed). As it is, she's some weird Zenkichi groupie.

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Wasn't Anshin'in-san acting through her?

why is this shit so lame?

We'll never know. She trolled Zenkichi with that premise once, but it was likely just a troll. Odds are she's exactly what she says she is.

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I fucking love the look on her face in the bottom left panel. Anyone have a PNG of it?

>Anyone have a PNG of it?
You're replying to one.

I meant of just that panel alone.

I'm sorry user, I don't think there's any way to isolate a single panel from that picture.

How could Medaka Box turn out to be such a great manga after those terrible first two arcs?

I'll use photoshop!

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The extra troll is that Nienami did this pose and face before in the professor arc and it pissed off Zenkichi back then too.

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I think it's just the pose of pride she takes when people rely on her.

Kirei is considered the winner of the fourth war by anyone sufficiently in the know. Either way, wouldn't you like to jump on a chance to get an omnipotent wish granting device if you could, even if the information regarding it was scarce?

Why did he start wearing glasses? Is this because Nisio couldn't think of a new haircut?
I don't complain, it just came out of nowhere

He's blind, user.

what's that sound effect?

Pekkâ the sound of finnish shitposting

Is Nienami Finnish? Explains a lot actually

It's the shining sound of the sparkly effect behind her.

Oh I know all of that stuff. I was just responding to user's post about how Kumagawa is nothing compared to later antagonists. And he isn't. And my post is exactly how the story feels from a reader's perspective in terms of conflict. But go ahead and write your essay about what every character represents because that so totally lies in opposition of my post.

How can Kumagawa consider himself a Minus when cute girls keep giving him their phone numbers?

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He's constantly underestimating himself and has an inferiority complex, i mean he quite literally says that he isn't good looking, smart, interesting, etc.

He's also a fucking midget

He's got all their numbers but he'll never call because he knows he doesn't have a chance.

Nisio stopped giving a fuck and was allowed more creative freedom. Riroland's art also got really fucking rad. I fucking loved them as a duo. On that note, Shounen Shoujo is picking up the pace as well.

Christ I completely forgot about this series. I thought it was just a one shot. How is it?

It's !Medaka fucking around with !Kumagawa as he desperately tries and fails to kill her. There's more stuff going down but it feels mostly like Nisio setting up shit only to sweep it aside at his convenience. You know, his usual shtick.

Sharktits would let him do her. Sleepybutt too, probably. But he would have to do all the work. Would Takarabe say no but mean yes or the other way around?

It's only 3 volumes and translations are almost caught up. Was it axed?

Maybe? Don't really know, but I don't think it was supposed to be a long serialization anyways.

FUCK YOU NISIO SHE DESERVED TO WIN REEEEEE

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Only one girl deserved to win from the start, and she did.

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the fuck did she win, Zenkichi's married to Medaka, she got cucked

>manga end: 2013
>anime: 2012

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>the fuck did she win

Our hearts

Best chest size.

Well she was suicidal so I guess getting torn in half by a He-man isn't too bad for her. And she technically doesn't betray Medaka's promise to keep her from killing herself because someone else kills her.

You know she's not actually dead, right?

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Of course. To be fair I don't really even think she would've died if she committed suicide. Probably just wanted to try dying because it'd be a new experience to try out.

She truly lost in the end

>we will never get Akira Akatsuki-drawn doujins.
Why even live?

What's he up to these days anyway?

its hard because the respective plots will not allow gill to win and same is true for kumagawa.

He just did Ill Boy Ill Girl