Why are there so few anime with an evil protagonist and/or plots where the bad guy always wins?

Yeah, fair enough. She's also a pre-pubescant girl forced into WW1/2 just because god was bored of people not talking to him, and actively having her mental faculties eroded by God in order to grant her superpowers. So I mean, I'm willing to cut some slack due to PTSD and god actively brainwashing her.

She might not be a good person, but I wouldn't go so far as to call her evil. I don't think anything she does is particularly evil-she's a soldier, she kills other soldiers. It does so happen that she's a lot better at it than they are.

>autistic office slave
>evil
Nigger, please

>youjo senki = tanya the evil
Stop breathing, do us a favor

Yōjo Senki (幼女戦記, literally "The Military Chronicles of a Little Girl"

>god
Being X wishes it was a god.

Thats the fucking point.
But apparently americans have a cult of "soldier = hero", so any soldier shown as morally grey and practical character instead of "yes sir captain Call'O-Duty SIR" armybot considered EVIL.

>instead of "yes sir captain Call'O-Duty SIR" armybot
But Tanya fits that description perfectly and goes out of her way to be very literally a perfect model soldier, to the point it creeps out even her commanding officers. So I'm not really sure you even know what your point even is, or why you quoted me in the first place.
settle down little girl I'm busy arguing why you're my waifu and not evil

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Because according to brainlets, having the bad guy win is just not right.

According to the same people, it's also self-insert fantasy.

>Overlord
Ainz lost from the start of the series...

cute user

We need more bad guys for isekai

>Ainz
>evil
Pick one

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I hate to give recs because it's an automatic spoiler but Texhnolyze

Also Toradora, Ami was best girl she died for our sins and Taiga was a shit. That's an evil protagonist winning in my book.

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At least in the novel it's clear that he's been stripped of his humanity and only the lingering memories and persona he has from his human time hold him back from being straight up evil.
The further along you get the more he suppresses that part of himself until he's unlikable.

I have only one question:
when the FUCK volume 14 is gonna come out?!

This is how I see it going down:

> Other PCs arrive.
> Ainz is happy to see them, but they're horrified by what Ainz has done.
> They see their creations as horrible, awful monsters that have caused untold suffering to thousands.
> Insist on disbanding Nazarick, likely killing the NPCs in the process.
> Ainz, who has grown to love the NPCs as his own children, says no.
> A world war breaks out.

A villain winning all the time is kind of boring. The only time a villain winning is satisfying is when the hero tries everything, when it really comes down to the wire, when it could go either way, then the villain wins and we move to the aftermath.

You can't have a story where the villain keeps winning without losing all sense of tension. Even that manga about the Dungeon Master who cucks everyone and fucks all their women doesn't work, because he's never challenged. For a story to be interesting, you have to win some, lose some.

Code Geass.

How was this a question?

If you have even the most basic understanding of social cohesion, societal bonds, biological needs, and pure instinct, you should easily figure out why the good HAS to always win.

There is just no other way to create a functioning society than to be good. Or at least be on the 3 Lawful side. The 3 neutrals are apathetic bound to stagnation and the chaotic are just anarchy doomed to stay primitive and barbaric.

Go ahead, I dare you to create a reason as to why you would want to root for the villain other than wish fulfillment that you weren't some bullied kid with insecurity issues.

Overlord's combination of edgy nonsense, wish fulfillment, and videogame mechanics is an obvious tell that the author is among those greasy, creepy tards.

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>Overlord's combination of edgy nonsense, wish fulfillment, and videogame mechanics is an obvious tell that the author is among those greasy, creepy tards.

It also falls apart on a thematic level, because he - and his allies - are so stupidly powerful, there's no challenge or even meaning to be extracted from it. The closest they've come to a defeat is Entoma getting melted.

>it falls apart on a thematic level because of things that that aren't related to it's themes

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Lelouch ended up being the evil winning, crushing all good forces, killing millions and transforming as Lelouch from the fighter against the tyranny into the absolute tyrant himself, enslaving people to his rule.

He did win mostly, despite losing at times or plans going awfully bad/wrong, and yet his victory as evil due to the duality of his character made him realize his great wish for the better life.

Snk.

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Let's not be ahead of ourselves.
Slime follows the same pattern but, unlike overlord, it is actually a fun show because it was written by an author who enjoys making friends and treats everyone as equals.

You can easily tell, based on character alone, that Slime's author is the people's person able to talk with anyone and holds no concern over the fact that he holds authority

Overlord was clearly written by that creep who stands on the corner, observing everyone, and cursing why no one ever cares about him

Except Lelouch was Lawful Evil only until the end where his goal turned into the desire to become a tyrant just so the world could unite against him.
Still pretty much on the Lawful, if you ask me.

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I'm saying he doesn't have to learn anything. There's no context to his villainy. He doesn't even NEED to be a villain, he could easily conquer the land by being Bioware Commander Shepard.

Yes, I know he does things like spare a village and so on, but there's no reason he can't just reign his insanely evil minions in. It's not even as a case of 'work with what you have', they worship him as a God.

But she saved her mom from the Train! We will never get a unique character like Altair ever again!

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Because its boring as fuck. Overlord is the perfect example of that. Bad guy always wins, and there are no stakes. It was fun seeing him wreck shit the first time, not so much after the 50th time.

Who we kidding?
There was NEVER any theme on Overlord
It's all just sandbox mode where the author was all "Oh look at all my OC donut steel. Everyone so afraid of em,"

>I dare you to create a reason as to why you would want to root for the villain other than wish fulfillment that you weren't some bullied kid with insecurity issues
Because it's boring.

>t.shonentard

Plots where the bad guys always win are dime a dozen. Look up any "despair porn" title.

Villainous characters on the other hand are hard to handle, and require subtlety and a level of self-awareness in the writing that amateur writers often lack. "Lack of morals = cool" is shit that only appeals to teenagers; "I might not be so strong, but I can still hurt others because I'm just so ruthless!"
Fuck that retarded "evil = competent" meme.

You need to contextualize that shit, either through your themes, a light-hearted or morally ambiguous tone to start making it interesting, which takes a lot more effort. Even just properly showing repercussions, or acknowledging outright how horrible the character is without tapdancing with excuses such as "well, the people he killed were a lot worse!" goes a long way.

A villainous character is compelling in spite of being evil, not because of it.

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Tanya wouldnt use people as skin regeneration plants to use for scroll production nor use humans for experimentation, shes willing to make tough calls but not downright evil.

The reason why he doesn't reign in his minions is because he has no justification to do it.
His entire thing is that he's filling in the role he is expected to play because he doesn't want to disappoint his minions.
Them worshiping him as a god is something he's aware of but not something he excepts as a given especially after confirming their capacity for personal growth .
It's not like he has much of a reason to stop them considering his new perspective is one where he himself feels no empathy towards people at large.

There are many things wrong with Overlord, but his villainy and his ineptness are more or less justified because it's mostly about his difficulties in being a leader worthy of his people and about his loneliness as one surrounded by servants rather then comrades.

Ignorance is the source of all evil. Ainz just became super ignorant to actual feelings to the point he doesnt know whats bad and whats not.

Ainz know when an act is evil. He can still recollect that from his human memory; however, he is indifferent to them unless it is related to his guild.

The greek homos were full of shit, Ainz knows human morality, he just no longer has the gut feeling to compel him to follow it.
That's not lack of knowledge, it's a lack of feeling, lack of empathy (toward humans).
It's similar to how Demiurge is described as one with great compassion towards his allies, but utterly sadistic towards others.
That's Ainz without the sadism. He just doesn't care about humans on an emotional level.

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What about Golgo 13?

Just doing his job: not evil. He also gets his comeuppance, and the manga is a whole lot worse for it.

Wait... What happened to him?

I know it's from hours ago but I have to call you a moron. The "Tanya the Evil" subtitle is official and was decided by NUT itself. No localization had any input on it.

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You can literally say the same about Ainz.
He a good boi, dindu nuffin, just trying to figure out the limits of the RPG world he's stuck in and figure out his way out.
Not to mention everyone around him is an NPC so he feels zero regard for their wellbeing.

the only reason why it fails with it's themes is because it barely has any and those it does have barely get explored because Maruyama is a fucking hack. Ainz' loneliness barely gets explored at all because we have to have more funny Sasuga moments or it just gets reduced to "muh friends".

You know what would really help with developing themes? An Albedo arc for fucks sake. We haven't seen anything from her since the start of the series besides "God I want Ainz-sama's bone" and "his friends would have to die if the author wasn't such a hack and actually brought them into the story"

That would basically be a horrific ending. He'd have to kill all his friends, and the world would be fucked.

If they did bring his friends in to the story they would to be "inhuman". Remember their characters were also not human one of them we see is a slime.
At most you could say they would betray Ainz and try to take power for themselves. But none of them would end up on the humans side because of morals.

His guild members are from the same shitty dystopian setting as him, it'd be retarded for them all to have much care for human life.

Sure, but they have a wider range of experiences. Also, I don't think any of them are undead / subject to emotional suppression like Ainz is.

>will do anything for his nazarick, anything includes torture, live experiments, being eaten alive by cockroaches again and again, burned to death, baiting people in and killing them
>not evil
>war conquest series
>no stake because author is afraid of his characters being hurt
Fuck off.

If anything they could have even worse racial effects than what Ainz gets, so there is no way to know how they'd even act if they were ever going to somehow be summoned to that same world

There's still TouchMe who's as autistic about justice as Ainz is about his friends and who are we kidding, if any of his friends are going to come to the NW it would be him. Anyone else would either peace out or LARP the world to death, like Demiurge's creator.

Slime is not even evil, or even overpowered by his world standards (at the beginning).

This. If the author was better we'd have all sorts of juicy emotional stuff about Ainz being explored beside the things that were established in the first volume.
Out of the guardians only Sebas got a good arch, I didn't get much from Cocytus in the lizzardman arch.

Slime gets boring quickly. I agree with OPs sentiment that there need to be more stories from the villains perspective. Good villains are proactive and thats why theyre more interesting than MCs, who tend to be reactive.

Ulbert would definitely want to larp as the big bad super hard given the opportunity. It would be Pandoras Actor levels of drama.

Ulbert could appear. His creation; Demiurge is the real villain of the series and Ulbert could take his creation with him and fully commit to his evil plans.

Cocytus was a fucking meme. The entire arc was set up to show that the guardians can learn new things and none of them mastered any combat arts from the NW yet. Not just that, literally every Guardian changed nothing about their mindset or what they're capable of. Cocytus himself has basically been written out of the story since he's conquering demihumans/beast monsters all the time. Those lizards sure were important to the story huh

He got a little bit of characterization in the arch, so I wouldn't shit on him and the arch completely.
He also did change in that he became pro-active by the end, like having the white lizard on the ready when Ainz was going to ask for her.
It's a waste that he didn't show that change in the Sebas arch later.

I don't think Guardians would grow in fighting ability, I think that was about growth as in experience and character. But you are right that it didn't manifest past the arch (except maybe Albedo).

Is it true the author threw a bitch-fit on twitter because someone translated a side-story that never received an English Publication and said he would cut down the story?

Yes but he already sort of quit before.

It's obvious he's getting tired since he's just an office employee that writes in his spare time.

Albedo's completely one-note. There's absolutely nothing interesting about her.

The most interesting thing that could be done with her is to have her team run into a group of Supreme Beings, and they all die. Then these guys look at each other and go:

> "Looks like Momogona is trying to kill us."

Overlord needs hard NTR

Then it can be saved

Sure, but with who? Ainz has no penis and no romantic interest in anyone. The most interesting development would the other Supreme Beings returning, and the NPCs they created IMMEDIATELY defecting.

Then all hell breaks loose in a rapidly-escalating civil war with cataclysmic consequences.

Albedo can be interesting if she started betraying the interest on Nazarick to get the Ainz bone.
She's obviously far from Ainz for long periods which should be driving her crazy. What if she sabotages him in a way that he has to stay with her.

>Overlord was clearly written by that creep who stands on the corner, observing everyone, and cursing why no one ever cares about him
Imagine projecting this hard

I don't see the Supreme Being returning

From the very start it seemed setup as one dude who's still stuck in the same game while all his other friends moved on,some probably together but he himself is unwilling to let go until the very moment because his greatest moments of happiness were with his guild mates. It would probably be awkward if they met because in a way their creation that they left like Albedo and Shalltear and everyone else are like the family Ainz never had and he himself has realised he can't hold his old comrades in his thoughts forever and accepts his new family.

And it is an MMO so Ainz probably has some polymorph potion lying around that can turn him human for a brief moment. But that's just head-canon.

Why are nips so fucking retarded they prefer an oppressive office job environment (that made him start writing in the first place) to continuing his successful franchise. Even if hes just tired of overlord why not just do spin offs or start a new fantasy thing where he doesnt write himself into corners

>>hard NTR
>Ainz suddenly develops romantic feelings for Albedo despite no dingus
>She reverts back to her old settings
>She still reciprocates his feelings but it isnt enough frkn stopping her sleeping around
>Ainz leaves Nazarick and starts exploring the NW while making friends along the way

Because it originally started as a DnD campaign with his buddies who helped him build the world together. Imagine coming to a point years later when everybody stopping playing and the only person who's left is you

But also he's just a prick IRL..

His DnD campaign stopped before he started writing, the whole reason he started writing was bc everyone had left.