Villain is evil... because he's evil

That ain't any worse writing than the opposite; Protagonists who are good because they just are. Somehow incapable of ever not pushing their nose in to other people's business and insist on dropping everything they're currently doing and sacrificing themselves and saving the day anytime even the most mundane issue arises.

You're saying it like it's completely black and white. He was a good guy at times, he cared for his friends and destroyed their enemies.

>realism
>makes the writing good
so is GOT

bang bang bang

OP has non idea what writing is, he's a teenager.

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Sociopathy/Psychopathy aren't real mental illnesses. They are just Hollywood jargon used to mean general "crazyness".

This character was alright as a case of Antisocial Personality Disorder, but the "evil successful businessman/ nobleman/ general" archetype isn't. People with poor empathy are creepy, foolish, and easy to lie to, like this character. They would literally never succeed in life.

Successful people without empathy are just people with enough emotional intelligence to suppress their empathy voluntarily. The opposite of the people with Antisocial Personality Disorder.

HIT ME ON THE GROUND

>Sociopathy/Psychopathy aren't real mental illnesses.
Ah, so you are retarded?

If you don’t know what your doing you aren’t evil.
You have to be aware that you are doing evil like raping, torturing and eating children.
Murdering for pleasure and for greed.

Are you? Neither is an accepted medical term. Just Hollywood jargon that means whatever the writers that use the term want. Sometimes they are used to mean schizophrenia, other times they are used to mean someone with antisocial personality disorder +200 IQ.

>Expecting even an iota of subtlety and nuance from Hiroya Oku
You only have yourself to blame.

Boredom is the worst motivation for evil. Shishigami's parents failed him by assuming he was anywhere near okay with their downward spiral.

>everyone says that A is evil
>A is confused because he doesn't do anything that is evil
>everyone still says that A is evil because that is what they believe
>A decides that he should be evil and he acts evil

Explain all the people with divorced parents who aren't serial killers

>kills people who trash talk him on anoymous mesaggeboards
he's literally me

One of the shittiest villains ever.

The mentally disabled is a good source for knowledge on mental illness.

They arent pre-disposed to socipathy.

You're not a good reader. user didnt say divorce was a catalyst. They insinuated that it doesnt matter what the underlining motivation was. The character is sociopathic either way. They lacked proper mental components to being a complete human being from the beginning.

sociopath is a colloquialism for severe anti social disorder.

>with a pre-disposition towards sociopathy
What's the alternative? Take a guess. Have, or...? not, it's not, you fucking retard

Anymore. It's like going on about how Asperger is all a sham, it's not a mental illness, it's not real, it's not a medical term, whatever, when all they did was lump it under autism. Yeah, antisocial/borderline personality disorder are used now for the same shit.

He's always been a sociopath

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That is normal, he's just being honest.

nah, that's just how japs really are, they lack of many human emotions specially empathy.

No, that page is shown after Ando wonders if Hiro would be capable of killing people to let you know he's always been wrong in the head.

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>Hero is good... because he is good.
Better than this faggotry.

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You must never post that again.

He's right though. I'd rather 1 million random people die than my dog die. I'd rather 1 billion foreigners die before white people start dying. My dog's life is more valuable to me than the person reading this.

I've been saying this about depression and gays for years but somehow i'm an asshole when I say this.

Yeah because you give a shit about others not in your circle right? hypocrite.

you might be sociopaths.

Hold on, are you saying major depressive disorder and homosexuality aren't a mental illness?

I'm saying that depression shouldn't be
I'm saying that being gay should be
I wasn't clear enough I guess

I suppose depression should really be treated as a neurological disorder instead since it is chemical brain damage, such as a loss of serotonin release system and decreased dopamine release (in absence of drugs).
Good thinking, user.

No. Depression should be classified as normal functioning unless there's a real underlying cause.

why shouldn't something that makes people kill themselves be considered a mental illness?
Isn't that a pretty big problem?

If I go bankrupt i'd probably kill myself. Is going bankrupt a mental illness now? In fact, in most cases of depression, the person ends up killing themselves once they experience an increase in dopamine, how do you classify that?

mental illnesses make people act in irrational and harmful ways
like depression

Other things can make people act in irrational and harmful ways too. In romeo and juliet the main characters end up killing themselves because of how much they loved each other. That's an irrational and harmful act. Shit, I guess being in love is now a mental illness.

Nothing wrong with that. Not every villain is a complex character twisted by his life experience into something monstrous. Some people are sadistic assholes by design.
youtube.com/watch?v=Wb6V3t_fr_I

>love
if it wasn't a purely fictitious concept it would be

>People with poor empathy are creepy, foolish, and easy to lie to
I've attended several management training programs(like practical applications Andy Grove-style constructive confrontation) and teachers say that there are some(but not a lot) high-profile successful executives like that, but usually not at the very top.

>unless there's a real underlying cause
then it'd just be a normal response to stimuli, not a mental illness

God, if I have to sit through another fucking sob story, listen to another retelling of why running a torturefarm where he gleefully harvests liquid fucking suffering from small children, in between his kicking kittens around a golf field for sport, is really kind of sort of OK because someone snatched his notebook once in third grade while he wasn't looking and drew a penis in it and the teacher told him off for it and it was really embarrassing and shit and now that cute 10 year old girl that he's building a time machine to try and diddle because he never got over her laughed at him and it's just awful and shit and what did he ever do to deserve this.

If even the guy himself has to make excuses for his pursuits then why the fuck should anyone else give a rats ass about them?

>in denial
most of us would do the same, baboon-san

>is really kind of sort of OK because someone snatched his notebook
It's not ok, but I think it's actually pretty realistic.
Someone takes a misguided shot at achieving something, like being a model citizen, student or something.
Then the person is not being justly rewarded(and it's mostly in the twisted mind of the person) and then snap - this person is now willing to take revenge on a world that screwed them over.

I mean, maybe they got there with nepotism. My point is mostly that being unable to tell if a person hates you/finds you scary/likes you is crippling, as was seen with this character, and is not a superpower associated with geniuses like it is often portrayed in movies/TV.

A CEO who sells weapons to both sides in a Civil War is far more likely to have rationalized it with racism/classism, or perhaps just deemed that somebody would sell weapons to the combatants anyway, or maybe just become jaded, rather than being a genuine "sociopath".

>unable to tell
How did you go from the pop psycho social chameleons to the average sperg?

>mean, maybe they got there with nepotism
By being ruthless, manipulative, hard-working and naturally smart. The reason why they are usually not at the top is that top executives are usually not willing to promote them after some point.
Working with these people is taxing.

When you learn that the evil guy had an ice cream cone as a kid and a mean guy smacked the ice cream cone and then their family died it really makes the villain a good character the instant after you learn that, before that they're just evil and that's no good

Because Social Chameleons are not people with ASPD. That is what I am complaining about. A realistic sociopath villain would be a "sperg" like this guy, not a Patrick Bateman. Patrick Bateman would probably be a narcisist with schizophrenia.

So your argument is that we don't have Batemans, because people erroneously call him a psychopath, and the closest medical analog to psychopath is a social retard, so ackshually, social chameleons are fucking retarded, because for some fucking reason we're supposed to put stock in what people you've already said are wrong say.

That's absolutely, 100%, poop graffiti insane.

exactly my point. In most cases that is exactly what people who claim depression have.

>exactly my point
No. Why the fuck should normal stimuli be listed as a mental illness? It's a fucking circumstance, doesn't say anything about the person. If there's 'real underlying cause', it's just fucking normal. That it should be classified as normal functioning UNLESS there's 'real underlying cause'(i.e. is a normal fucking response) is retarded.

You're retarded. Kill yourself.

No matter how hard you work, it shouldn't really make up for the fact that you can't tell that your coworker is mad at you because you made an insensitive joke, or that you can't tell that your new proposal for a commercial where the protagonist representing your costumers assaults the consumers of rival brands is no good. And the point is that people with ASPD would be unable to tell those things.

At least if they are particularly extreme cases. Which is what you would need if you also want to pretend that your "sociopath" character is also a cold blooded killer in secret.

No. Social chameleons are emotionally intelligent. Which is the extreme opposite of people with ASPD. And if you want a realistic Social Chameleon villain you should invent a better motivation than "born crazy". At least make him a drug addict, or a cult leader with a messiah complex, or something like that.

Because 99.9% of the time when you hear of a serial killer, they are some hobo or a sperg, and not a rich, successful guy.

No, they're right. There's no point in caring about anyone half a country away, let alone half a planet. I'm never going to know them, they'll never have any impact in my life, and vice versa.
The idea of even having the capacity to care for every human life is insane. It'd be impossible to live a normal life. Just think about all the people that have died during the time this thread has been up. Can you really say you care about all of them, or do you just not want to admit the truth because it goes against social stigmas?

Dude: aliens.

Not him, but if I were to know their story, their passions, what they achieved, what made them them, then I would totally become sad. I agree it's impossible to care about every human passing away, since its kind of like caring what sound a tree makes in an empty forest. It's beyond the scope of mental capability to care for so many people on a literally level, but if given the opportunity to empathize, I would totally care.

On the flip side, I wouldn't wish malice even on people that I don't know, that is just immoral. Just because I can't care about them on a one for one basis, it doesn't mean I can wish their demise.

>you can't tell that your coworker is mad
But you can. This one, in particular, is pretty obvious, really.
You just don't give a fuck about it and you have a harder time telling it because it doesn't come from your gut.
You confuse being a psychopath for being stupid.
youtube.com/watch?v=hLTAjW5Twlk

>Which is the extreme opposite of people with ASPD
Yes, which you've said pop psychopaths don't have, so why the fuck are you bringing it up like it's in any way relevant?
Read the post you're replying to, you fucking retard.

wish inuyashiki was just all about the old guy doing cool shit with his tech, fuck this edgelord

Kills innocents for the sake or fun of killing = evil
Kills for self defense or for the good of others = not evil
Whats so hard to understand?

Being gay is as much of a mental disorder as preferring strawberry ice cream over chocolate ice cream. And yes, being denied your preferred could make you want to kill yourself. I'd probably kill myself if society would want to take away women from me and so would you (unless you're into that). And it's probably the same for transgenders.

The value you give is irrelevant to whether or not you're a sociopath. You just went full sociopath and tried to justify your stance with your personal beliefs, like an addict who tries to justify its addiction.

Being gay is a mental disorder in the sense that it it discourages reproduction. It doesn't affect other mental functions and isn't really treatable so it's not treated as mental disorder.

You're reaching. user said he cares for his dog and for his tribe. Excessive in-group bias is not a sign of sociopathy.

>literally author's wish fulfilment
>realistic

no

Are you saying that all it takes...is one bad day?

reddit tier reply fuck off

At least two people died while you were typing your post. Can you really say with a straight face that you care or mourn their passing?

/co now go

What I don't like about fiction is that sometimes character became evil because they had no choice, it was already written in their DNA or they were in a situation where there wasn't another solution to it.

and they are bashed for what they are like if they were the biggest assholes of the universe about something who doesn't even depend of their own will, why god create beings to make them suffers and play an evil scheme?

>Hero is good....because he’s good.

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But the romeo and juliet story is a really clear case of irrational reaction. Would you think that a girl is sane if she decided to off herself because some dudebro rejected her in highschool?
This isn't to say that love isn't fucked up though. Having a sudden obsession like this is really reminiscent of drug addiction. The only reason nobody finds it creepy is because they feel good when they experience it. If you were to compare it to depression you'd suddenly see a lot of similarities.