Is Diana really that bad of a character, or can she be fixed?

Is Diana really that bad of a character, or can she be fixed?

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Yes
No

yes go back in time and let imaishi make his show without the producers forcing yurishit pandering

But Imaishi was the one that handled the biggest pandering moments

No
No

People dislike Diana? I thought she was the highlight of the show.

Only by yurishitters (I don't think she even has waifufags)

Maybe

I don't know

>Rival is actually competent and stays competent for the whole series
>Not just "perfect" though, because there's major personal problems
>Is enough of a badass that she can stay relevant throughout the final conflict, despite not being the chosen one

>Only yurishitters like her

Why are people like this? Diana solves all the stupid garbage that you put up with from typical garbage main characters, and makes sure you can actually appreciate Akko without getting sick of her bullshit.

Most of that is in relation to Akko, thus Diakko and thus only yurishitters care about her

She wasn't that bad in the OVA, it's the TV show where she's unsalvageable.

I could give less of a fuck about shipping, she's just an insufferable Mary Sue that flip-flops constantly between either being hyper competent or fucking up massively and having zero consequences for it. Also her back story feels cheap and tacked on.

>despite not being the chosen one
She's still part of the prophecy though so that's moot.

Problem is that what make her so cringeworthy and annoying is what define her as a character.
So no, she is hopelessly flawed.

>imaishi
>not putting in yuripandering
it's like you don't know imaishi at all, showing yourself to be a complete MORON
i bet you get blocked by kamiya
holy shit dude the meter that measures stupidity, you blew the entire meter
it exploded and sprayed meter juice everywhere
it was extremely acidic and went into everybody else nearby, absorbing through their skins and making them nearly as stupid as you

Anyways I love shario!

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Top cute

Bull shit. You can appreciate what the deuteragonist means for the protagonist's portrayal without wanting them to fuck.

>Mary Sue
>fucking up massively
Ok.

>Also her back story feels cheap and tacked on.
Alright, that's valid.

The backstory was fine I feel. They only vaguely imply the dead mom and they don't show any out right bullying scenes, just that her family name and eventual disenchantment over magic turned her into the strict person that she is now.

with anal

Akko please...

akko is for anal too

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>fucking up massively
With no consequences, did you miss that other part? She gets nothing but praise and adoration no matter what she does. She even got away with nearly murdering Akko for fucks sake.

>still this salty Diana is the most popular character in Japan

If she's so popular where's to porn?

hannah needs to be more popular
she is the cutest and i want to lick and bite every single inch of her body for hours
wheres to you're grammar

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Because LWA is dead.

It was kinda ridiculous just how soft the writers were on her throughout the whole series. She was pretty much treated with kid gloves despite being such a shamelessly hypocritical bitch for most of it.

you're that guy from deviantart aren't you

>Is Diana really that bad of a character
Dunno if i would call her bad, just straight up boring, and all the yuro shit that she brough made everything worse just like the shitty villain
>can she be fixed?
Make her Andrew's wingedwoman or at least less bitchy

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What the hell are you even on about?

I'd rather see Diana and Andrew hate fuck each other

Andrew is like 50 times more boring than Diana and he is the one who brought the "politics" into the story.

Because she put in the fucking work, so any time she fucks up, she's able to minimize the damage to the point where the biggest impact is her own disappointment in herself. Or, occasionally, her frustration with the fact that she's the only one disappointed in herself.

That's not a Mary Sue. That's earned.

She does have her detractors, but objectively her character could have been better.

>Is enough of a badass that she can stay relevant throughout the final conflict, despite not being the chosen one
It's funny how you don't see the reason that's a bad thing.

Akko spent almost the whole series being shat, getting shit, displaying her flaws, learning from her mistakes, only for Diana to hog the attention he problem isn't Diana being a badass. The problem was to unnecessarily shove her on what's supposed to be an Akko moment at the end to tickle Dianafags bone just because.

>Japan likes the blue/rival archetype. More news at 11

However, They turned her in the TV on a "safe" version of her OVA version and thus making her a less entertaining character as a consequence.

Everyone and their mother knows that Japan has shit taste most of the time.

>She's still part of the prophecy though so that's moot.
Yeah, thag looked bad, but consider the following : it wasn't necessary indispensable for Diana to be part of Akko's test for that work, taking in to account that:

Akko didn't need Diana to help her with the word, it was the circumstances surrounding Akko's situation that managed to lead Akko to the word. Diana only happened to know the magic tongue twister so that Akko could say it.

Chariot was able to find that same word without Diana's and possibly any Cavendish help.

However, I agree with you that she was totally forced in the end. It was supposed to be Akko's character arc conclusion, after all.

He was still better than Diana tho, the whole dilemma between following his father's footsteps and living his life was way better than Diana's, wich was just a melodramatic version of Akko's dream. Plus his interactions with Akko were waaaay better and well developed

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>Dude doesn't know that Imaishi was the one requesting Diana to be present in the final showdown and in charge of animating it
>Also producer was the one who request Andrew

>so any time she fucks up, she's able to minimize the damage to the point where the biggest impact is her own disappointment in herself.
Except she doesn't. Any time she fucks up the whole world bends over backwards to make sure she doesn't even need to do that. What you said was actually one of my favorite parts about the OVA. She was a bitch, but was still more than willing to fix her own mistakes whenever they occur. In the show her mistakes are just brushed aside or treated as inconsequential without her even getting a chance to do so. Fucking nothing she does in the show is earned, that's the issue here.

>Also producer was the one who request Andrew
That was Yoshinari, not producer.

Producer was the one who left Akko and Andrew as friends and shot down Diakko thrice.

Objectively the whole show could have been better, so what's your point?

No.

Producer was the primary anti-Andrew voice, you mixed her up with the writer.

>so what's your point
That we are talking about fucking Diana's character, not the show as a whole.

But everything about the show could have been better, so what are you comparing Diana to, other characters that could objectively be better?

>writer
It was Yoshinari. Shimada was only tasked to write him in the story.

>No
Nice argument

It is never a problem for the protagonist to be unable to resolve the final conflict alone. Especially when it's a protagonist like Akko, where her personality is supposed to be her greatest strength, not her talent.

Over the course of the series, Akko slowly gained more and more control over the situation, and Diana slowly either lost control, or it was revealed how little control she really had in the first place. And at the end, it all converges, and they're able to stand as equals.

Why does it always have to be about being "the best"? The protagonist doesn't need to be the best at anything, except having the most interesting point of view through which to tell the story. And when everybody is constantly mixing that up with being "the best", the most interesting stories end up being the ones where the protagonist cannot be "the best".

Akko cannot be "the best". She can be equals with Diana. If she had saved the world alone, I wouldn't have been more proud of her, I would have just been disappointed with the story. But because Diana was there too, I was proud of them both, and I was able to be proud of Akko for something as trivial as hovering slightly above the ground on a broom.

Diana's not stealing Akko's thunder, she's making her more appreciable.

Yeah mixed up Shimada with the producer for a moment there.
I would not say producer was anti-Andrew, more like the whole staff except Shimada was anti romance in general. He was still quite relevant plot-wise.

>has the most magically tuned family in the entire series
>is literally the descendant of one of the 9 witches
>has more than enough wealth and support for her to do whatever without issue
>earned

There is no argument when you actually pretend Andrew had a quarter of Diana's character arc when Diana has basically everything that Andrew has and a lot more.

The question at hand was about Diana herself. Whether she was the "highlight" of the show or not, that's subjective.

My point is that I don't feel Diana was any worse than the rest of the show or than any of the characters.I'm replying to OP.

>Any time she fucks up the whole world bends over backwards to make sure she doesn't even need to do that.
No, not "any time". Some of the time, yes, but she's visibly frustrated with her own shortcomings, and seemingly the fact that nobody will acknowledge them. I already mentioned that.

>Fucking nothing she does in the show is earned, that's the issue here.
How so? Did you miss the point that for all of Akko's goals, Diana is trying to achieve the same thing in a different way? Or that all the pain and effort Allow is dealing with, Diana dealt with years ago?

Pre-TV Diana wasn't very popular and lost out to the main trio by a big margin, both in Japan and over here. After TV show she is the most popular in both places. So I would say she id indeed the "highlight" of the series some what.

>has the most magically tuned family in the entire series, but had all her inherent magical ability ripped away
>is literally the descendant of one of the 9 witches, so feels responsible to stop magic from fading into obscurity
>had more than enough wealth and support for her to do whatever without issue, until her aunt threw it all away
>not earned

>Andrew had a quarter of Diana's character arc
Diana's whole character arc was a poor man's Akko, and the only noticeble development she got was being less of a bitch. Andrew's arc got dropped because who knows so yeah, Diana's arc had a more of an actual conclusion, but at his arc it was its own thing, and actually served to have Akko put in motion her dream of bringing magic into the lives of other people
>Diana has basically everything that Andrew
Except, you know, organic character development, good interactions and not creating a cancerous fanbase

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>Organic character development
>Magic is shit
>Proceed to meet a cute witch girl
>Magic is good now I've learnt!
That's like hating anime because it's childish then falling in love with it later because you're banging an animator.

Who said this was about being "the best"? Diana was almost always the best, it was never a contest, specially if we are talking about skills. Akko never stood a chance in that matter.

You even said it yourself, "the protagonist doesn't need to be the best at anything, except having the most interesting point of view through which to tell the story". The moment Diana and Akko talked in ep.23, they cemented the fact that they had a similar point of view and stand as equals but only in that sense.

The end was supposed to be leading to the climax of Akko's development and hoe she still managed to go forwards despite her ideals and love for the craft being challenged. Her shooting the Arc alone was a representation of the result of her hard work thorough the episodes. If they really had to go with a "teamwork final shot", they could have involved all of the witches present in Arcturus, including Chariot. That, or making actual use of all of that wasted symbology about THREE (03) witches joining forces using the (Tri)skellion.

Not only Diana. That was blatant pandering.

Reminder.

It's wild that this post came from Yea Forums of all places

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Sure, and then they could waste all the parallels between Chariot vs Croix and Akko vs Diana, along with the fact that it was lack of cooperation between Chariot and Croix that prevented Chariot from unlocking the 7th word.

They built up Diana. It had to be Diana.

No, Diana had to struggle with the expectations of her lineage, the fact that magic is dying, her love of magic and her childish admiration of Chariot.

>itemshopguy
Chumlee is best girl

>Dianafag shitting up yet another LWA thread

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I agree with you that it has to be Diana because of the Croix parallel, but honestly the Croix stuff was total bullshit and the show would have been much better if they cut both her plot and the politics completely.

>Why the fuck are Dianafags making their opinions known in a Diana thread

>without the best part
i just want more cute little witches

>Pre-TV Diana wasn't very popular and lost out to the main trio by a big margin
It's like you're implying there's anything wrong with that. And also implying OVA Diana didn't have room for development, even doubting she would get a similar level of popularity later if they stood with the same path for her in TV.

Main trio was more popular because they are the main trio. They were ghe ones that got more spotlight and development there. Diana was there not only to be a foil, but to antagonize as well and give their rivalry a bit more of an edge.

They just watered down Diana's characterization in TV to make Akko (supposedly) more tolerable to people who would find her character hard to swallow. That they got a bit out of hand was another matter.

Well, that's what part 1 was. Also featuring much less Diana. But I really liked the moment where Croix and the politics tied together such that, instead of playing the cutesy intro, they just overlayed the title card over a live nuke.

>Parallels

Wrong. They were ANTI-parallels.

Diana was supposed to be what Croix wasn't and Akko was supposed to achieve what Chariot couldn't.

And in Diana's case was to not be a royal cunt with overloaded levels of salt, accept that she's not "the one" that can wield the rod and support the true wielder.

And she was doing it SO good, until they forced her right at the end. So fucking unnecessary, given her background, status, skills, and development (which ended perfectly in ep 23).

No, I'm not saying there is anything wrong with main trio being the most popular. I just mean that I don't think the way they handle Diana characterization is that flawed because she was pretty well received.
I don't think OVA Diana would be as popular as TV Diana even if they receive the same treatment though, at the core their personalities are very different and were she in the series she would just come off as bitchy and tsundere to Akko.

Sometimes a little pandering is fine if it gets you an impactful moment.

>antiparallel
That word doesn't mean what you think it does.

Stop seething so much and just accept Diana is the best

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Which could have been done perfectly without being a Diana pandering.

The best Mary Sue, judging by the series and this thread. Indeed.

I think that was mostly Imaishi and a bunch of animators over there trying to pander to themselves before anything else.

>Diana was supposed to be what Croix wasn't and Akko was supposed to achieve what Chariot couldn't.
Yeah. Chariot failed by going off and doing her own thing without considering how that would affect Croix. Croix failed by remaining bitter about not being chosen, and antagonizing Chariot to try to force her own involvement.

Akko instead regularly put effort into helping others with their own dreams, and Diana accepted that the best way to help was to help Akko.

The result was that Akko helped Diana achieve her dream, and Diana helped Akko achieve hers. So they were both present at the end. Working together, like Chariot and Croix failed to do.

The one you don't seem to understand is you.

Hell, Akko and Diana weren't even properly friends, as opposed to Chariot and Croix apparent longer friendship atvthe time.

Just fuck already

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Of course people like bitchy blonde hermoine.

>Yeah. Chariot failed by going off and doing her own thing without considering how that would affect Croix
Why on earth would she had to be careful about how it would "affect" Croix? It's like you're implying Chariot had to constantly walk on eggshells and accommodate herself to not making Croix upset.

Chariot becoming Shiny Chariot was pretty much her own initiative, probably mainly triggered by her not being able to find the last word thus probably believing sharing her dream and trying to connect with people through her shows she would be able to unlock it. Croix just happened to dislike it because, ironically like the other traditionalist witches, she thought it put the witches on a bad name and the craft and on a more personal level, stupid and humiliating.

>Akko instead regularly put effort into helping others with their own dreams, and Diana accepted that the best way to help was to help Akko.
I can agree with this.

>The result was that Akko helped Diana achieve her dream, and Diana helped Akko achieve hers.

I disagree. Akko helped Diana to not give up and run away from her dream and Diana supported Akko to achieve hers.

Alternatively, Akko helped Chariot to achieve her dream, which was basically the same dream as Akko. I fail to understand how people often forget that detail.

The words could only be unlocked through the wielder's experience and if they managed to decipher what they mean. Any 3rd party tagging along to help is a plus, but ultimately depends on the wielder alone. Who knows which was the extent of Croix's help on Chariot's quest, but she must not have been the only one. Diana wasn't the only one who had helped Akko in her quest either. So if it was a matter of "working together", Diana was not the only one entitled to that spot.

No one gives a fuck about your opinions you delusional autist, because nothing you say is even remotely grounded in reality.

She can be fixed, but for that we need a 2nd season and for them to highlight her actual flaws.

She needs bigger boobs with big pink pepperoni nipples.

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She was barely a character in the ova, that argument has always been bullshit.

this
it just seems to me that people just like it when diana is hardly present, it has way less to do with characterization and muh MEAN GIRLS MOVIE semblance than they claim
also that movie was dumb, but it's no surprise this place likes dumb movies, you can't even like good anime most of the time going by the catalog full of floating turds

Diana kind of had the same problem Satsuki did. Someone on the writing staff really wanted to write about the rival more than the MC.

i wouldn't have minded that given that ryuko was boring vanilla as fuck despite the fact that she's the tomboy of the two
then again, you guys like mikoto mcbiribiri and her personality is about as present as kuroko's breasts

So that post about Diana _trying_ to impregnate Akko got me thinking about something...

Imagine the two girls gradually get closer. Akko would be the one pushing the relationship forward, making it more intimate and physical just because that's the kind of friendship she's used to. Diana would be bewildered and charmed, taking the interpretations too far. She would barely contain her uneven breath during some of their playful conversations. She'd soon find that she needs to change underwear after each one of the oh-so-frequent visits to the Akko-Susy-Lotte room.

One day Akko would stop by Diana's room to ask something. She would say something that would set the Diana off, something probably innocent, yet something that Diana will interpret as a sign, as a confirmation of what is now everything she hopes for. She'll be done with Akko before either of them even realizes what is happening.

Obviously, Akko has never masturbated before. She would wake up to the new pleasure instantly and the new couple would go at it like rabbits. At some point Diana will get her first B+, and this will be the moment when the whole school will know what's up, with certainty.

However, something will be missing. The girls would get curious about penetration. At some point Diana will try a transformation spell on herself and obtain a temporary male part. Akko will be rejoiced initially, but soon she'll get jealous of her lover's ability to manipulate magic so finely and attempt the spell on herself. And that will be a moment when a new chapter in the history of Luna Nova begins...

Instead of transforming just her clit, Akko's whole body will transform her into an anthropomorphic male genitalia. She'll be about a foot and a half tall and three inches wide. Unlike her incomplete transformations into animals, this one will actually affect her cognitive ability. Through becoming a penis, she will begin to think like a penis.

Akko will attempt the transformation in the lovers' nest, in Diana's room, early during a normal school day. Between the first two periods, Diana would stop by there to pick something up. By the time when classes end she won't be able to make any any sounds anymore. Later, girls from her corridor will recall how strangely she walked the morning after.

Meanwhile, it will seem like Akko is completely gone from Luna Nova. Lotte will stop by Diana's door, only to find it closed shut, smelling funny and emitting strange, quiet, wet sounds. But, being an innocent girl she is, she won't know that smell from normal sex usually doesn't penetrate doors and will run away in embarrassment. Later she will deeply regret it, as in time it will be apparent that she could've prevented a catastrophe.

That same evening Chariot will be preparing for her daily masturbation session in her tower. She will notice a presence behind her closed door, similar to a mouse, not something that's unusual in the corridors of Luna Nova.

Masturbation is a chore for her at this point, a means to improve sleep. Her mind will wander from young Croix of her memories, to Woodward-sensei, but eventually it will land on Akko. With slight embarrassment she will fantasize about her pupil's bright eyes, curiosity and slender, athletic body. As she will get wetter and begin move faster she will sweat slightly. Faint smell of her arousal will fill her room. Too weak to be sensed by a human, this smell will be very apparent to the being behind her door.

As she will get close to climax she will whisper "Akko" in a low voice.

Within the next second the door of her room will the wall across from the entrance and a strange creature will jump on her before she can even think of casting any protective spells. Two seconds after that everyone not yet asleep in Luna Nova will hear her sharp cry, followed immediately by multiple loud recitations of the restoration spell.

It'll take about 15 minutes for the first witches to get to Chariot's tower. During those 15 minutes the young woman will learn more about her body than in all 24 years of her life. Here are some of her findings:
- restorative spell actually does work on female genitalia;
- if the said genitalia are constantly destroyed by raging Akkoboner, multiple applications of the restorative spell are advisable;
- after a while, genitalia adjust even to such harsh conditions and can subsequently withstand the onslaught;
- once they do, it feel really, really good;
- it is possible for her to have orgasms in quick succession, about twice per minute;
- every orgasm in the succession feels better than the one before;
- receiving a dose of semen so large that it can actually get into the womb and inflate it gently feels best.

I hope someone is screencapping this.

By the time the first witch will be at her doorstep, Chariot will be unconscious.

What will follow will go into Luna Nova's chronicles as "The Luna Nova vs The D" event. Obviously, there won't be any records in the public chronicles, but it will still be recorded in the more detailed version locked in the artifact storage, only available to witches capable of flight after obtaining the permission from the Principal. This is how Akko herself will learn about the exact sequence of events that followed her visit to Chariot, thought most of it she'll be able to deduce the next morning as she'll walk through the halls of her school. Semen stains on walls and ceiling; tiny pools of blood from hymens and occasional larger ones from girls who had the misfortune to have a menstruation during that night; her fellow witches laying along the walls as if in a field hospital, appearing injured, but with blissful expressions on their faces; teachers and the healed little witches running around casting restorative spells on the girls' crotches. It'll be all very telling.

Susy will actually be the one to stop the attach. She'll peek out of the dorm room, onto the battlefield, go back and listen to the sounds from outside chuckling. Not until the monster will enter its own room, supposedly to get some rest, but instead freeze at the sight of happily sleeping Lotte, will she decide that that's enough. A few drops of her trusty libido poison will turn Akko back into her human form, at which point she'll immediately fall asleep.

There will be no conclusive proof of Akko's fault in this mess. Except for Susy, no one will have seen her transformation, and Susy won't be telling anyone. During the first day all after the catastrophe food will be literally the only thing she can think about or care for, to the point when she will ignore all the questions. That's when "The D" will come to be, as the provisional name for the creature used by the few uninjured teachers piecing the event together from the slurring testimonies of the victims.

She will never fully confess. She will answer "yes" to things like "did you visit Chariot that night?" and "did you use a shapeshifting spell during the day before?", but when asked about the sexual stuff she will not give any answer. Investigators blessed with better looks will note a cute, if slightly carnivorous smile on her face.

Saved by the pressure from victims she will get away with a very light punishment. She will go to Chariot to apologize, only to walk out of her idol's room 15 hours later with bags under her eyes and a silly grin on her face.

Diana will never go back to being a straight A+ student. She'll still be excellent, but constantly busy trying to finish homework before the classes end. Occasionally she'll be able to distract Akko with some particularly interesting area of magic and do some studying with her instead the usual activity, and then she'll get an A. But those instances will be few and far between.

Akko will rarely appear in her room after the event. Those who will see her walk through Luna Nova campus after the event will note that she carries herself like she owns the place and commands a wave of blushing. After all, everyone will know that while the D is trying his best to stay faithful to her lover, on certain days her libido does get the better of her. And everyone will know that the girls that happened to disappear during these days later considered themselves very, very lucky.

And a boyfriend!

Pregnancies following the event will be too numerous for the administration to deal with. Many of those who retained consciousness throughout the event will manage to cast a spell preventing conception in time, but many others will not. The teachers will decide to not punish the victims and facilitate their early (and not-so-early) motherhood as well as possible.

Constanze will be the first one to give birth the one of many, many children of the D. She'll deliver her healthy daughter slightly before the term. Diana will give birth exactly 280 days after the event. Chariot will lag behind, postponing the inevitable by about half a year with spells and potions. When asked about how did that happen, she will blush deeply and mumble something unintelligible about wanting some time alone with something.

Children's cries and laughter will fill the school's halls. All the children of the D will be girls. Croix, having missed all the fun, will spend long hours in Principal's office explaining to the teachers, ignorant in modern biology, that it all makes sense since there are no males (and hence Y chromosomes) on campus. She will be the only person on campus to not know the true identity of the D.

At some point, Akko herself will decide to give birth. She won't be able to transform during her pregnancy, and those 9 month will be characterized in Luna Nova's chronicles as "most frustrating". Diana will almost completely disappear from the campus, spending almost all the time in her room with Akko; on the rare occasions she'll be out to get some food and everyone will note her extreme tiredness. Susy will be taking care of her, providing numerous potions for restoring all kinds of vitality.

Her first daughter will have beautiful greenish blonde hair. Whenever someone will point out that fact, Diana will smile proudly.

---

... is what I was thinking about Diana trying to impregnate Akko.

Her problem is that she's too perfect in the anime. At least in the OVA she was an actual bitch and made mistakes. She also gave you a reason to want to cheer for Akko. In the anime she's a perfect princess damsel that did no wrong and Akko is obnoxious as fuck and learned absolutely fucking nothing.

Stop

Very, uh, interesting

I'll need some Diana facts to decide that.

Neat. So essentially, you guys are upset that Diana became the secondary protagonist, because it meant less focus on your waifu. Yes?

Thanks. I wish I could correct all the small mistakes I've made while typing it. Traded off accuracy for speed.

No

>Diana
>Secondary protagonist

That never happened, though.

That's the gist of it.

Lotte and Sucyfags are upset they got pushed into the background. Chariotfags are upset it wasn't her. A few Akkofags, who don't understand why people are sick of certain tropes, think it should have been just Akko. Amanda, Jasminka, and Constanzefags are upset that only Diana got elevated to more importance.

Dare I dream?

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delet

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Have you actually seen OP2?

Well that was certainly a fucking ride

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should Diana get a wizard rival/crush?

yes, me!

It'll make people mad so yes

No

how can you hate diana ? she is best girl

no

She'll get a witch rival who's actually Andrew's new girlfriend

Literally read the thread

Have you?

>The triskellion symbology with THREE people (namely Sucy and Lotte)
>Green Team being more relevant than they were

Akko and Diana's relationship were not the focus of the 2nd cour, just an important aspect of it. The same happened with the Akko and Diana part of the OP, it was there, but it wasn't the focus, nor the theme.

Still wishing.

Ni

Yes.

But keep it ambiguous like Akko and Andrew's friendship, except having it more like as a rivalry.

That way the waifupurityfags and yurishipperfaggots won't have their immersion "broken".

What, you mean the one second at the intro, with the three hands as the symbol of the triskelion? That was about unlocking it, not using it.

How the hell do you think that was more important than Akko vs Diana taking up half the intro, and the big shot showing the main 7 students focusing on Diana and Akko?

It honestly sounds like the main reason you're upset about Diana's importance is that you spent most of the show in denial of Diana's significance. If you do that, of course it's going to feel forced when the finale doesn't let you deny it any longer.

I don't hate her. I actually believe she's one of the most decently characters in there. I just think she's overrated. Sure, she's pretty and I like she's the voice of reason, but her character doesn't offer anything else to me.

My guess is that people either just self insert to her or just want to fuck her.

You just need to accept that she isn't any more relevant than Sucy Lotte or Chariot. Diana is as much main character as them, but unironically believing she's a co-protagonist? You're baked.

If you actually fucking watched the 2nd cour you wouldn't say that shit. Just simply out yourself as a Dianafag and call it a day. I won't judge you, but I'll definitely fight your arguments and I won't be the only one here.

>That was about unlocking it, not using it.
Diana didn't use the rod. It was Akko all the time.

I hope if Trigger ever brings back the witch fusion concept they call up Hori to animate that sequence, because you can't tell me that he wasn't the one that came up with that idea in the first place after watching SU.

Who cares? Post Lotte.

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Make her a bitch again and then slowly overcome those flaws. But its too late to fix now, she's a perfectly boring Mary Sue.

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Your arguments are that they're treating her like some kind of deuteragonist when she clearly isn't.

Except if they're treating her like one, she automatically is. How do you not understand that?

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Nah fuck that I want her to fall to the might of the dick

I'm going to fix her with my cock.

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Yeah! Akko’s Dick!

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Be brain sperm there, Retard

Nice. Source?

pixiv.net/member.php?id=11660557

>Croix
Into the trash it goes.

She may be a bitch but she's also hot.

There wasn't a deuteragonist. At most she required to display aspects of one later im the game, but this was Akko's arc, Akko's story. That Diana played an important part in it later at some point, doesn't make her a protagonist.

>deuteragonist
That was Chariot.

Imagine dicking her, but she’s constantly mocking you to get you riled up, just so you could fuck her harder and harder. Then when you’re both spent, she just teases you how cute you get when you’re angry.

I don't think you know what a deuteragonist is. Diana is the Luigi to Akko's Mario. The Vegeta to her Goku.

Very nice

Inspired by my own post, got a great idea for a 5-koma for dicking Croix
>“Oh we’re having sex now? I thought that was your tongue and this was still foreplay.”
>“Ooo, finally putting some effort in huh?here I thought id be doing all the work.”
>“You think you can make me cum?! In your dreams, im just barely getting wet!”
>“Im not cumming! Im not cumming! This dick could never make a woman cum!”
>“IM CUMMING! IM CUMMING! FUCK YOU IM CUMMING!”

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Where the fuck is my Chariot nendo?

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There was the survey that went out, i forgot when the new nendos would be announced tho

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>Diana is the Luigi to Akko's Mario.
No.
>The Vegeta to her Goku.
Slightly more accurate and even then not come that close, she's Akko's rival, that's all.

Best boy in the anime.
He should have got an harem and gone /ss/ with Ursula.

I for one love my gorgeous British wife, Diana Cavendish!

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But Lotte is an adorable girl!

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you better have money for that

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It's the same thing, damn it. You've got a main character, your #1, and then you've got a #2. They're not as central to the story as #1, but they're more central than #3.

Raphael to Leonardo, Sam to Frodo, Han to Luke, Spock to Kirk, Zelda to Link, Caesar to Joseph. These are deuteragonists.

It's not about the nature of the relationship. Diana is the deuteragonist of the second cour.

I hope someone who has money can make this idea happen

Over 150 posts into the thread and nobody has given me some Diana FACTS

that's an easy 80-100 bucks and I ai the got that

>deuteragonist
That title goes to Ursula if that's the case. Diana only comes to get involved in the plot only very late and it's pretty much a sub plot thay gets resolved in a two parter.

Diana is indeed a foil, and the rival, hell, she's on the same level as Sucy, Lotte and Ursula as a main character, but no way In hell is a protagonist, saying that is a overstatement.

I'm not in the mood for shallow meme today user.

Fuck off

I wanna see a team captains fusion

God why is it so hard to find porn of Diana enjoying cock

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Diana x Lio
think about it

I love Diana, I want to put a disgusting slav baby inside of her. People who don't like Diana have shit taste.

God Tier.

You only like her for shallow reasons. You don't care about her character.

lol fuck off retard you don't know my mind

Yes I do. You're just a basic faggot and Diana doesn't deserve followers like you.

I like her character and she's a good foil to Akko, plus the lore she has with her name + Beatrice is interesting. But I love her design and want to breed her till she stops thinking of anything except my cock.

shipfags like you that ignore the story and force her into yuri relationships to satisfy their impulse forn high-faggotry are the reason she's not as popular as she deserves to be.

>Why is [character] important in this part? They're not even an important character, except in the parts where they are.
I know this show is child friendly but holy shit you guys

God I wish Diana was Akko

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oh no what are those gianthead andoryus gonna do to her???

You just outed yourself s a retard if that's what you're understanding.

Kek

Give her the love and attention and dick she deserves

Woah no shit it's almost like that's the oldest fucking trope in the world.

>makes yurishitters seeth

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No

ahh if only this artist could shut the fuck up in between art posts, he draws some pretty decent stuff but hes also a dumb fucking malay with the dumbest fucking posts

Just follow that one person who only retweets witch stuff.

Dude is hella cheap so I put up with it

That concept art you're talking about predate that show by a year or more.

Still be cool to see it tho

Requesting lewd Chariot/Akko/Croix ideas

Akko scissoring a Drunk Chariot while making Croix watch.

Requesting a Male name for Lotte
Ooo, thank you! Maybe have Croix fingering herself while asking “You having fun Chariot?”, while she can only moan and Akko says, “I think that was a yes!”

>blonde
Her hair is green though

Green striped hair is better than gold striped hair

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Lothar.

Thank you! You got one for Sucy?

Full?

If theres a full version I haven’t seen it

It does?

Musical Episode: Entirely in song from start to finish or Random dance numbers throughout?

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No one actually does the first one

Make/buy them yourself

I’ve think Its been done in movies? Sceweeny Todd comes to mind

Better than Ethel from Tge Worst Witch
Literally an LWA ripoff

Post twin braid Akkos

how the fuck is she hermoine

>Is enough of a badass
dropped
post ruined

Theres an Akko with twin braids?

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I fucking hope so.

I want to fuck Akko until my pelvis breaks

I want to fuck Jasminka til my balls are dry

I too wish to do that ontop of making Akko submit to my kisses

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I want to casually fuck Jasminka, her laying down eating a snack and just letting me pound her ass

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Jasminka training Akko in fucking through a threesome

What the fuck, this isnt deviantart.
Do your job, mods. Rule #6 breaker here.

Hmmm, never thought of them being fucked together, add that to my list.
Or maybe them competing in an anal sex contest

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You're an idiot

I want her to be canon (and fuck me)

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They can use her as a small S2 villan, or hell maybe a new student

how do you feel about witches fucking their male counterparts?

Goodnight thread, lets see if you can survive

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COULD YOU REPEAT THE QUESTION

Akko is the highlight of the show

She's better than Akko sure but everyone in the show is shit. Being slightly better than shit is still being shit.

Imagine devoting your entire life to recover from a magic draining fraud ruining your childhood, finally making with blood and tears to the top against all odds and watching this idiot waltzing inside your world with absolutely no idea about what anything is and fucking up time after time.
Diana isn't bad, Akko is a fucking eyesore.

This.

Kek

I still want a braided Akko.

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Meh. I'd be good if it was mix and match at least

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Like male akko on Diana?

Yeah, or male Diana on Amanda

Or male Barbara on Lotte!

Meh 2bh.

Diana (male) x Akko sounds okay.

Thought i lost the male names for H&B but i found them!
Can we agree that male Barbara would have still have a nice big butt?

People calling Diana "deuteragonist" are confusing popularity with importance.

Not saying that Diana wasn't important, she totally was at a certain key points, but these people are overblowing it.

Maybe have Croix fingering herself while asking “You having fun Chariot?”, while she can only moan and Akko says, “I think that was a yes
I like that.

>Maybe have Croix fingering herself while asking “You having fun Chariot?”, while she can only moan and Akko says, “I think that was a yes
I like that.

Requesting Male names for Chariot and Croix
cute twink boy chariot

Chariot is fine as a male name.

I might need some other Chariakko ideas cuz I might not have enough money to do the car fucking one.

Strangely, both of their names sound like they can work if they were males too.

Damn, that car idea was too good.

Akko licking Chariot dressed as Ursula, sitting on the lectern in a classroom. Ursula's hair is turning red around the tips and is just about to slip out of her braid. She's looking straight at the viewer with her eyes slightly sparking.

I'll try to keep the original idea itself, but sadly no car scenery. I'll probably just have them make out and fuck on the couch in their sleep clothes.

Oh shit that's a good one too.

Both 69ing eachother, with Akko on bottom vigorously eating her out while Chariot is gasping with 2 fingers in Akko and saying “A-Akko! Please slooOOOoooW DOWN!”

Background cost went over budget im guessing?

Nah I just got a ton of stuff to pay for and I'm going between jobs. Hopefully by the end of the month I have enough money to get it, but I want to do others before then.

That's fair in the OVAs, but not really in the show. Especially the second half.

Ah i see, whats on top of the list currently?

But why? She's not irrelevant and had key moments, but she was not as prominent nor moved the plot in the same level as say, Ursula. Hell, even trigger said that Chariot was a central character in this back then during the original broadcast.

Either Akko eating out Croix or one of the Andrew/Diana ones.

Hmmm, theres not a lot of Croiakko but Andriana is getting more....
Id personally go with The Croiakko

>Andriana
Is there anything other than what that one dude makes?

Otsuka said that the second cour was going to be about Akko, Diana and Ursula, but Yoshinari did call Chariot the central character of the story.

She's a fucking nerd.

Will Trigger actually animate Dungeon Meshi?

The malay? I dont think so, other than the one jp artist i follow that does Ankko sketches

Post their stuff I don't think I've ever seen JP Andrew/Diana art

Chariot's a central character as well. Probably the tritagonist, at least of the second half. But you can't judge her entirely on how much she advances the plot.

Chariot's main purpose seemed to be to advance the plot. In the second half, she was advancing the plot more often than Akko was. And neither of them were advancing things nearly as much as Croix.

Instead of thinking about who drove the plot forward, think about their significance in the plot (especially at the most crucial moments), how much character development they get, and how often they seem to be the main focus (again, especially at crucial moments).

Diana and Akko are the focus of the opening. Diana and Akko share the same ultimate goal. Diana and Akko deal the final blow. Diana fixes Akko after Chariot and Croix break her, because Diana was also present in the first scene in the show.

A guy posted a list of protagonist/deuteragonist pairs earlier, and there's a couple really good examples to fit Chariot into as well. If Akko is Luke, and Diana is Han, then Chariot is Ben Kenobi. If Akko is Frodo, and Diana is Sam, then Chariot is either Aragorn or Gandalf. She's very important, especially in keeping the plot moving, but she's far more involved in her own subplot than the central story.

Kinda busy but ill see if i can find them

Half of the first cour is Ursula bonding with Akko and becoming her mentor.

I can wait! Hope it's actually shippy art because that's basically non existent.

I would say "half", but yes, it's the most important part of it as far as plot is concerned. But there isn't really much plot in the first cour. It's mostly slice of life stuff meant to establish the world and characters for the second cour.

I'll fall back to the Ben/Aragorn example again, though. The major points of the early parts of the story are to have Luke/Frodo meet them, and establish their relationship.

>I would say "half"
wouldn't*

Damnit! Im sorry my dude, it looks like twitter unfollowed the guy for me and i cant remember his fucking name! And i didn’t even save the guys pics fuck!

All I'm getting from this is that Diana isn't that more important than Chariot but also plays an important role in Akko's story.

Dammit that's fucked. Not even on pixiv?

What did the pictures look like at least?

No, i followed him a while ago so i could check his stuff out later but fuck man
Think sketchy like this, I remember them being real close face to face in one

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ehhh i dont think i could myself, like honestly if he was fucking yoshinari tier I'd still be unsure of whether I'd want to keep following with how fucking dumb some of his posts are

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If you consider the second cour unimportant, and Chariot's subplot more important than the main story, then that's completely valid.

Evidently the show at large doesn't consider that to be the case, though. Which makes Diana the deuteragonist of the second cour, Akko's story, and thus the show at large.

They probably don't even have a ship name so it'll be impossible to find that art. God dammit.

Wish some jp artists would use the fucking jap lwa tag at least

Nothing on pixiv or even google jp. Dammit.

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Who cares it's a shit ship anyways

Had to summon the power of ウィッチログ and the dude came through. There's barely anything other than the stuff the malay dude has done, the threesome pic on pixiv and some lewd prompts (that may or may have not been deleted) from that same person. There's also the 安戴 (andai) tag on chinese sites which does have some content but I've never bothered with those places.

Who?

Really now? Didn’t figure they’re would be any at all on the chinese sites

Didn't expect that at all. Even more surprised that they have a tag for it but not pixiv. Now I regret never trying to get an account on weibo/lofter.

I'd like the second season to have stakes but no real villain. Something like a natural calamity that's coming as a result of the Great Triskelion being unlocked, and only a big magical festival can save the world.

That sounds fucking stupid.

Fund it.

Series finale they all become trees and interact with the world in the botanical metaphysical plane?

Bitch this ain't lost

I thought the creators said Diana will probably eventually become a tree?

all witches become trees its also why witches live so long they become more tree like with age

Well yeah but that's not how the series will end

Yeah but after she dies of old age and having been married to some wizard and had children and all that jazz.

Unless she gets killed by *plot twist*: Akko.

Yes
Yes, make her a villain

Hmm, so even in Japan it's not 100% certain that Diana and Andrew are cousins or just related politically.

Id think politically related, if anybody has so much of a hint of Cabbage DNA i think they’d at least have a second shade of hair

They aren't cousins

Trips confirmed, not blood-related cousins

that brief scene in ep 20 of all the mini beatrixes doing medic stuff was great, cabbage hair too stronk

Thats what i like to think, even if your other parents genes SOMEHOW beat the Cavendish cabbage hair color, you’re getting that fucking second shade of hair no matter what

I completely forgot that this artist was still around. She's the only other person that I know that ships Diandrew but as a guilty pleasure thing so it's not much.

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Hoolbroke is 200 years old and looks just fine, how long are witches supossed to live? There should be witches that were alive during the times of the nine old and knew about the Triskelion and the Shiny Rod.

still amazes me how fucking old she is and still only looks a bit elderly rather than decrepit, her dad literally fought and died in the 18th century judging by the uniform he was buried in

>all witches become trees
I thought it was only the a select few overly-talented ones? Something about becoming so immersed in magic that they're effectively an extension of Yggdrasil?

The original LWA aired 6 years ago. She was great there.

But yeah, the series sucked. Her catching Akko was the high point of the original, and they immediately butchered the scene. First, nothing came out of it, and second, Akko went on a much more surreal stunt just moments later, implying she was never in danger.

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>First, nothing came out of it
Well, Diana used it to say "we're even now" after taking credit for healing Jeniffer's tree and almost murdering Akko.

You know what really bothers me? The show never threw a hint about Diana being a Shiny Chariot fan until episode 19, they just assumed everyone in the audience already knew.

Felt like the writers liked her way, way too much. Considering how much Akko got shat on it really got obnoxious at times.

The dragon episode singlehandedly wrecked that entire show.

It's supposed to be a surprise, unless you're actually paying enough attention to recognize her as the same girl from the crowd in Episode 1.

Most protagonists are expected to succeed. Akko constantly being shat on makes her successes feel worthwhile.

So I can confirm that Diandrew does exist in chinese sites, but it's a very miniscule amount. Still, it does have some fics too which is neat.

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Oooo, thats a pretty sexy smug Diana!

There any more? Also what kinda fics?

Diana is in the audience in episode 1 and it's a lot more obvious than in the OVA.

Haven't seen much, but I'm on my phone and working so I'm probably missing a lot.

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i could go for male amanda fucking hannah pics

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Im thinking of the reverse Male hannah fucking/getting fucked by crossdressing male Amanda

Ah i see, well good luck on finding more!

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well, we'll just agree to disagree on this topic

>Jumps in front of officer's gun and he shoots
Akko is just a moron.

Once again adding to my own degeneracy
>Amadeus calling Johannah a faggot for getting and being balls deep in a dude in a dress
>“Last chance to prove you’re not a fag, dont cum inside!”
>proceeds to fuck even harder and cum inside, but before Amadeus could mock him, Johannah locks lips with him and holds him tight
>pull away and both are panting, then Amadeus tries to put on a smug grin
>“you’re such little lala homo..” “I dont hear that from someone who’s ass is still gripping my dick...asshole.”
Its great playing both fields

Not disagreeing with your idea tho, just im currently exploring boy witches fucking eachother, yours is good to! Helped come up with another idea: hannah and Amanda being fucked side by side by the others male counter part and holding hands

That's pretty fucking hot looking. Now I wanna see them kiss dammit.

You're correct, It says so in the databook.

Holy cow. Nice.

Cool. This bitch over here is gonna be the next Woodward.

Hopefully not be as big a fuck up

Who?

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Are there any other big chinese social medias other than weibo (and I guess lofter)?

Diana, who is confirmed for eventual tree

Bitch in the tree

Happy Birthday Lotte!

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Its her birday already? FUCK

How could you user!

i got owned by work and chinese lwa shit, let me be.

You are forgiven and appreciated!

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Then she won't be a Woodward. She would be just a tree.

So yeah, this whole thing was a bust. I'll see if I can find some Chariakko from other regions for the fun of it

Aw well, to be expected i suppose, maybe better luck for Chariakko

The party pic was really fucking good at least. Just a shame I never found those supposed smut fic prompts.

Course the fag ran to /qa/ what a fucking loser lol

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I wonder what you think has happened lol. I also wonder what kind of person made the /qa/ thread. I enjoy these threads, even the moderation here is fun to observe and troll. Seems like there's a mod protecting it.

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Delete this

Are you one of the mods ? thanks for protecting us lol

Nope, I'm one of the trolls. Just happened to see a certain dynamic of how things are deleted from here, what stays up and so on. Whoever they are, I am thankful. Their ways might be twisted, but it's still heaps better than the no-fun-allowed desert that the rest of the board is.

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Stop spamming this shit

Just be honest, user. The real only reason you like Andrew is because he's Diana but male.

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OVA Diana or Series Diana?

Series diana easy

>A select few incredibly talented witches eventually become trees
>An ancient witch who is a sentient tree exists, and appears to know more than any other witch alive

>Witches become regular trees.
What

Jennifer, Holbrooke's mom and the witches at arcturus forest don't seem very lively.

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Have you any source for that user? Looks great

ztcmq.lofter.com/post/1ddf06dd_1c68209b6

Thank you lad

He is not as annoying and entitled as Diana.
But the only male characters i like in this anime are Lotte and Andrew's blonde friend.

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HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO OUR GIRL LOTTE

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It's best girl's birthday?

roflmao, have sex

They do. Holbrooke's mother became a tree. The Cavendish manor has witch trees on their back.


So what's your point?

>Witches become regular trees
Like you said, only exceptional that fully delve in magic. Not all witches.

What is this amazing and beautiful thing, and what's the source?

Lofter. Chinese site.

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Thanks. But got a link or anything? If it's weibo, there's no way I can check.

She is already great

She's not

She is.

how would this shit even work

How would Diakko even work? They aren't even lesbians.

Hehe, nice.

My brother.

Not at all.
She's a perfect Croix to Akko's Chariot, only, like Akko, she has a vision for the future that's bigger than her own self-aggrandizement. She might have ended up like her sisters, had her powers not been retarded by Chariot's bumblefucking.
I get the feeling people built their expectations up too high for the show, based on the ridiculous hype over the ovas, without really appreciating what kind of story it was telling.

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for me i loved the show and what it was (despite the pretty glaring cour 2 flaws) after being so hyped up from the ovas

>Not at all.
>She's a perfect Croix to Akko's Chariot
You can argue that Akko and Chariot share a couple of similarities, but Croix and Diana are nothing alike.

??

I enjoyed Amanda's blonde dumbass

I love Lotte, and I'm happy to see her getting some love in this thread
Bless you guys

Fuck that guy

Yeah. He's a total shitbird, and I liked that.

I think it was a night post from a bumpbot. Good robot!

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he's good for "amanda steals whatever girl he's trying to get with" jokes.

Fake dating AU.
Diana and Andrew are forced to get together by their head of family to take advantage of the coming change of times. They of course oppose but eventually relent anyways. Akko is together with Diana but still gives her support (in part because they're her friends and in part because she's not worried about anything happening between them).
As time goes on Andrew and Diana start realizing how much they have in common, and all the fake "couple" moments make them start feeling something real for each other. It all comes to a head when the couple get stranded for a bit in one of their travels and have to deal with each other without any of the magic/politics nonsense and realize that they do truly love each other (and have an all night sex marathon where they release all the tension they've been building up since the relationship started Akko crosses their minds exactly zero times while doing it)

I am sickened, but curious.