Just finished oreimo, my first slice of life anime

Didn't his actual real sister make a fuss about it?

He has one?

Japan is a breath of fresh air when it comes to this.

lurk more

I think that might have been an animemaru article.
animemaru.com/eromanga-sensei-author-no-longer-on-speaking-terms-with-sister/

>their love only lasted a short time
It's hard to believe people actually fell for that. It's a trick in story for characters in the story but viewers didn't seem to get that.

You're late to the party, user.

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I see absolutely no problem with two siblings having sex, should that be what they want.

That's because there was no real implication otherwise in the t.v. series; the book heavily implies and later in an after story all but confirms that it was just a public front but the t.v. series does no such thing.

>Yes, their love only lasted a short time, but that is realistic
user..... they're still together.

>I honestly don’t understand how Fushimi continues to function a normal person in society. Everyone knows that he wrote a novel aimed at teenagers whose message at the base level is “Maybe you should fuck your 14 year old sister”. In any other country he would be treated like a leper.
So the problem here is not Kirino forcing Kyousuke to play incest eroge against the latter's strong objections? the problem is not Daisuke punching his own child in the face till bleeding; the problem is not Ayase repeatedly beating up Kyousuke? the problem is not Kyousuke just standing there watching Kirino and Manami seriously injure one another in a fight rather than attempting to break it up? the problem is not Ayase making up fake sexual assault allegations against Kyousuke? the problem is not Kirino repeatedly kicking Kyousuke and teaching the viewer that violence gets the girl?

No, all that trivialization of violence is not what is wrong but consensual incest is the problem? — this is why moralfags can't be taken seriously.

The incest is by no means the worst part of this tripe.

The problem is that most of the people either wanted Ayase or Kuroneko to win the MC bowl while finding incest immoral, which is a dumb reason to hate it. Oreimo does enough to warrant the viewer to be empathetic to Kyosuke's pursuit of Kirino in the end, despite being blood related.

This series changed how I saw society. Before I would learn to hate things because "that's the way it should be" without any thought into it. Now, instinctively, I question everything thanks to Oreimo.

Is that bait? Incest has less to do with societal views or being immoral but more with the fact that there is a higher risk of giving birth to retarded children.

Threadly reminder that Kirino is a miracle of the universe and undisputed best girl!

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Yet all the moralfags that complain about incest aren't complaining about smokers having children or those older than 35 where the risks are comperable nor are they complaining about people with genetic illnesses having children.

The "genetic defects" is just a convenient rationalization to rationalize moral disgust; they're still complaining and find a new excuse when there are no children involved.

>starts hating her brother when he starts writing BR trash
Based sister.

It's satire, he doesn't even have a little sister (probably).

Have you never heard of Flowers in the Attic? Damn near every teenage girl read that and VC Andrews wasn't treated as a leper. It's almost like people can separate fiction from reality.

KIRINO A SHIT

MY LOVELY ANGEL AYASE-TAN

>Yet all the moralfags that complain about incest aren't complaining about-
They do, just not as often because most of these problems emerged pretty recently in human history, while the problems of incest have been known for centuries. Also even if children aren't directly invovled, many of the "degenerate" behaviours still have an indirect negative impact on society as a whole as they often contradict and weaken the base foundation of all societies, the family. Those who complain about "morality" are often those who seek individual satisfaction at the cost of the people around them.

people aren't buying flowers in the attic merchandise and fapping to doujins of it

>They do, just not as often because most of these problems emerged pretty recently in human history, while the problems of incest have been known for centuries.
I'm sure you can find at least one example yes, but the overwhelming majority of those opposed to incest because "genetic defects" have absolutely no problem with those elder than say 35 to still breed.

>Also even if children aren't directly invovled, many of the "degenerate" behaviours still have an indirect negative impact on society as a whole as they often contradict and weaken the base foundation of all societies, the family. Those who complain about "morality" are often those who seek individual satisfaction at the cost of the people around them.
And here we go — the true colors are shown and it's indeed all a moral argument.

"Negatively impacted" here is just code for "a man doing things in the privacy of his own life that I'm morally uneasy with, hurting no-one."

>Yet all the moralfags that complain about incest aren't complaining about smokers having children
Irrelevant to the argument
>The "genetic defects" is just a convenient rationalization to rationalize moral disgust
This is the real reason

>have absolutely no problem with those elder than say 35 to still breed.
you obviously haven't spoken with anyone in a while. Women are pretty aware of their reproductive faculties degrading. Anti-smoking laws are pushed pretty heavily too. You can't buy cigarettes in some places without dead fetuses on the cover.

Ayase > Ruri >> Kanako > Saori >>> Kirino >>>> Manami

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>Irrelevant to the argument
Of course it's relevant; it shows it's not about genetic risks for them but simple morality which was the original argument: The one whom I replied to claimed it was about genetic risks and not morality and this argument serves to show otherwise.

>This is the real reason
Were it the real reason, there would be just as much complaint about smokers and those over 35 having children and there would be no complaint about nonprocreative incest which simply isn't the reality we live in.

It comes not even _close_ to the moral stigma with incest — don't kid yourself here.

>"a man doing things in the privacy of his own life that I'm morally uneasy with, hurting no-one."
Nice fanfiction. You mean degenerates deliberately propagating their garbage in media in order to groom kids and teenagers that pretending to be a quadrocopter sexual alligator, cutting off of their genitals, stripping for pedophiles on gay pride walks and throwing aside all values that create strong family bonds is healthy and amazing. Totally hurting no one.

post your ugly sister

>the problem is not Ayase repeatedly beating up Kyousuke
that's only a problem if you're gay
>the problem is not Ayase making up fake sexual assault allegations against Kyousuke
it's just banter

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As pointed out by
that was on Animemaru, which is a satirical "fake news" website similar to The Onion.

>animemaru.com/about/
>Ok, for liability reasons, I have to come clean. Anime Maru is not real. Nothing on this site should be interpreted as factual nor as a claim to fact. Content is not reflective of opinions held by the staff of Anime Maru. Content is not intended for readers under the age of 18. In conclusion, Anime Maru is fake anime news. If any of this is a surprise to you, I recommend speaking to your mother. She has something to tell you about the tooth fairy.

It saddens me that so many people are incapable of checking sources or identifying fake news, but still freely spread rumors about stuff like this from headline titles they saw or 3rd-hand testimonies.

I guess in this case it's relatively harmless for someone like this who doesn't even have a sister, and did, in fact, bring this negative attention upon himself by publishing several imouto-incest stories, but bad things can still happen to innocent people if you take everything you see online in anonymous comments at face value.

Right — so it is completely about sexual morality and all true colors have now been revealed?

Were you the same user that once had the prætence to say it was about genetic defects?

Because the mangaka who got caught in possession and distributing actual child porn, got a slap on the wrist fine, and never got jail time and returned to being a mangaka shortly after.

>a man doing things in the privacy of his own life
Not him but come now who are you trying to kid with this stuff?

>"we just want to engage in sodomy inside our homes"
>decades later
>"bake the cake bigot"

That wasn't a pretense, i would be fine with incest if not for the genetic problems. Most other degenerate behaviour however is not leading to genetic problems but societal ones. Stop conveniently ignoring that degeneracy attacks the foundations of societal stability. Degenerates always claim they're just doing it privatly and it hurts no one but at the same time spread it fervently at all costs until the point you're attacking everyone who shares another opinion, even trying to get people fired for it and groom teenagers for the sake of your fetishes.

I mean look at you right now, how are you just a "a man doing things in privacy" if you spend multiple posts dead set on spreading your degeneracy here on this board? How could i complain to you if you were to privatly enjoy your degeneracy right now? Because you're not, you're here and spreading it. That's not private, that's the opposite of private.

god, I want Ayase to handcuff me and bully me relentlessly

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>sour vagina

>Most other degenerate behaviour however is not leading to genetic problems but societal ones.
Where "problems" is code for "other men doing things that morally offend me though they cause no harm."

>Stop conveniently ignoring that degeneracy attacks the foundations of societal stability. Degenerates always claim they're just doing it privatly and it hurts no one but at the same time spread it fervently at all costs until the point you're attacking everyone who shares another opinion, even trying to get people fired for it and groom teenagers for the sake of your fetishes.
Please give me a _single_ fucking example where a man tried to get another man punished or in any way compromised for _not_ being incestuous; I challenge you.

Who — the fuck — has ever been fired or attempted to get fired for _not_ being incestuous?

>I mean look at you right now, how are you just a "a man doing things in privacy" if you spend multiple posts dead set on spreading your degeneracy here on this board? How could i complain to you if you were to privatly enjoy your degeneracy right now? Because you're not, you're here and spreading it. That's not private, that's the opposite of private.
And here you prove your bullshit because I'm at no point here advocating that others should somehow be encouraged or forced to partake in incestuous behavior should they have no desire to do so.

But here you go; you prove that your definition of "bothering others" is apparently as lax as "simply advocating that those that want it should be free to do so just as those that want it not should be free do not do so as well."

>b-but why does the Westermarck effect say I can't find siblings attractive???

Because a simple Google search shows that Westermarck is flawed.

Westermarck only studied a type of Jewish school of the early 20th century and using records looked for people that met as children and later married. This was proven flawed because most of the children who grew up together were separated before marriageable age leaving them with little opportunity to find a mate from one of their childhood classmates.
Although rare marriages still happened showing that long lasting deep relationships were formed during childhood years of people who lived together to the point where some couples sought each other out years after being separated.
It failed to look at whether sexual relations were happening in these schools, only marriages. Later studies have confirmed that sexual relations are occurring at these schools but for obvious reasons, mostly because they were Jewish religious schools, they were left unreported.
Further studies have confirmed that for children with opposite gender siblings most have their first sexual encounter with a sibling. I'm not meaning full on sex, I mean touching or kissing.

If it weren't for the social taboo against incest some researchers believe incest would be common. Since some cultures did not have taboos against sibling incest, such as medieval Japan where the practice of marrying your sister was so common the word 'Younger Wife' came to mean 'Younger Sister', Egypt during the Ptolemys where sibling incest became the norm, and nearly every royal family ever, we can conclude that direct sibling incest would be far more common if not for such societal taboos.

It's also not nearly as bad as people make it out to be. Your genes do not suddenly spontaneously combust if mixed with the genes of a family member and long term incest in some cases has not proven harmful. Incest just isn't as bad as we've been led to believe.

Is it weird if Kirino has been my waifu for more than 10 years now and I've never been tempted to cheat on her with another 2D girl?

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>, i would be fine with incest if not for the genetic problems
when are npcs going to stop parroting this?
incestual born kids have a lower rate of birth defection than kids born to parents who aren't related at all

So how does this work? Like do you get jealous at the fact that Kirino clearly loves one other?

Kyosuke is my 2D self.

That's not how it works. A waifu is a solitary symbol and avatar for your affection. It's not a replacement for a real person, but can be treated as one.

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this is so retarded

You can leave Yea Forums anytime you retarded normie.

if you like miku and miku turns into a slut later on, you're still in love with a slut, even if you liked her when she was pure
unless you dropped her when she became a slut, you're in love with a slut

>he didn't understand the image
So you're low IQ to boot.

Stop confusing 2D for 3D, it doesn't work that way.

i understood the image
the premise of her freezing in time is just retarded to me

>if you like miku and miku turns into a slut later on
She won't, that's the point the image was trying to make.

>cause no harm
Except normalizing practices that all contradict values which lead to the formation of stable families which are the foundation of any stable society causes nation scale harm over a prolonged period. It's don't believe for a second that you're unaware of this, you probably just don't give a shit as long as you can satisfy muh dick. You should stop saying it doesn't cause harm and be honest and at least admit that you just don't give a shit about anything else.

>Who — the fuck — has ever been fired or attempted to get fired for _not_ being incestuous?
Pro-Incest is too recent for this. People weren't fired for being anti-gay a decade ago either, they're now.

>I'm at no point here advocating that others should somehow be encouraged or forced to partake
Correct you're just posting defensive arguments for now, just like any other degenerate starts off. But Pornsites are already advocating. And i'm sure like many others you'll start encouraging people within a few years and forcing people to accept it not soon after. That's how every single degenerate does it for his particular fetish, and incest won't be different. You can't fool anyone.

>"simply advocating that those that want it should be free to do so just as those that want it not should be free do not do so as well."
Sure. Let's advocate drugs among kids now that's certainly harmless as well, eh? Sure. Just be honest already and say: "Who gives a fuck about society as long as i can stick my dick into my sister" because that's what you really think. Come on, it's not that hard.

>But Pornsites are already advocating.
Pornsites are only serving a demand. There is a reason why incest is the most popular porn niche. And what happens when you deny something they want for so long?

You're only delaying the inevitable. Safe sex incest is on the road of becoming normalized soon, with no logical arguments blocking its way.

>Pornsites are only serving a demand.
Kek, right, that's why interracial porn that's already proven to completely flop in numbers is still being advocated so strongly, totally not for ideological reasons. Just like all of media is not used for ideological purposes. Sure thing.

>You're only delaying the inevitable
I wouldn't be so sure about that, anti-degeneracy voices are gaining more and more momentum. But even if that happens, safe sex incest will absolutely lead towards non-safe sex incest, because that's how every slippery slope works. Once that ice is broken, sooner or later incestrious pairs will want to marry and have children just like any other multiverse gendered pairing. It has been like this every single time, you can't tell me with a straight face that it will be different this time.

They should be allowed to get married, just not have kids

Oreimo sucks. prove me wrong.
>>protip u cant.

>>omg i can greentext OwO
kirino is the worst character in the whole series and if she wasnt in it it would have been a much better show

>Except normalizing practices [...]
Yeah, indeed I don't give a shit as to how another man might choose to live his life and whether he would have a family or not. Human beings have no obligation to breed just to service you.

I have no siblings, and yet I will never breed anyway? Is that also a problem for you? Apart from that incestuous couples can just go to the sperm bank so what's the problem?

What you talk about is indeed "values" and other morality stuff.

>Pro-Incest is [...]
Yeah, again, people are fired for being "anti-gay" not "for being not gay"; you sketch it as if the end goal is to encourage people to be gay and to fire them for being not gay rather than to fire them for not just letting others be gay in peace.

No one is ever going to get fired for either not being incestuous or not being gay; what people are getting fired over is bothering others that are being gay or incestuous in their own privacy.

>Correct you're just [...]
No porn site is advocating that people should in any way be punished for not being incestuous.

>And i'm sure [...]
Quite — to _accept it_; I'm already advocating that you _accept it_; I'm just not advocating that you do it yourself should you have no interest in it.

>Sure. Let's advocate [...]
Yeah, where "not giving a fuck about society" is not caring that society just doesn't conform to your arbitrary morality any more though it hurts no one, materially.

>that's why interracial porn that's already proven to completely flop in numbers
We're talking about incest here, don't change the subject. People aren't "suddenly" finding their siblings attractive, it's always been there. Society's taboos have just been holding people back is all.

It's clear from this post alone you're not trying to discuss this topic in good faith. All you're trying to do is to continue pushing your political agenda down our throat.

Even if there be actual breeding the dangers are overstated; it's not the most healthy thing to do for your offspring but it's really no worse than a smoking paternal parent or a maternal parent over the age of 35.

I 100% agree with you here brother.

The problem is the ending doesn't make sense. Kuroneko was totally cool with him banging his sister on the side if he chose her. Instead he tells her to fuck off and gives up his only shot at at least being able to pretend he's a normal person. He could have been a sicko with a future, but now he's a sicko who will never leave behind any legacy to speak of.

Maybe he is not into polygamy.

Maybe Kirino wasn't okay with that?

Cool. For how "conservative" Japan is in comparison to the West, at least they seem to have a much more relaxed attitude when it comes to puritanically persecuting victimless thought crime.

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What's this mean?

"The west" here seems to just be "Anglo-Saxon countries".

A lot of continental European countries laugh at either in how many victim-less crimes they have. Anglo-Saxon culture is noted for its persecution of sexual indecency.

>wake up
>Kirino on the front page
>mfw

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Green legal, orange prison, red life sentence, dark red capital punishment. Italy allows incest, but only if you don't start a public scandal about it.

Do you not understand how slippery slopes work? It's always a single step of "they should be allowed to do this, but not do this", one step after another until everything is allowed.

It's a good thing that you'll never breed. Total Individualists like you will simply never comprehend the importance of a stable society, or the fact that everything good we have right now has come to existance because of stable societies and why it will all be lost if our society delves into chaos because of absolute degeneracy.

Oh shut the fuck up already, you're boring.

I was actually already aware from the first post that it was pure moralism on your part, no need to make it any clearer.

You might want to avoid words like "degeneracy" if you're actually hoping to sell to people that it's utilitarianism rather than moralism.

Only if it not lead to a public scandal; the perpetrator needn't be the one starting it which is really weird.

I was super surprised that there are still so many countries that outlaw the act of sex with a blood relative. Germany by the way only has laws against opposite-sex incest with fertility or protection not being considered.

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I watched expecting a"how to mend family relations" but dropped it as soon it turned into incest.
Tl;dr incest is BAD

>The anime adaptation was sabotaged and the After Story confirms they stay together.
ive found that the japs always have someway to legitimize incest, either by magical condoms appearing, she got a shot that prevents getting pregnant, or they just stay together until one of them gets a boy/girl friend. its always like this, fuck you japan.

>Tl;dr incest is BAD
Literally zero downsides if you avoid having children. Nobody in their right mind would want retarded kids anyway.
Adoption is always an option in this case.

>watch GOD I WANT TO FUCK MY LITTLE SISTER
>wait wtf why is there incest?

time does not affect fictional characters.

The ending is designed to be as absurd as possible because the moral lesson of the story is ironically that siscon fantasies are only fantasies that don't translate well to real life.

>Realistic
user nobody except the least educated parts of American think incest is okay.
Or that flat chests are good.

Everything is better in 2D.

>except the least educated parts of American think incest is okay
Oh the fucking irony. You're the perfect example of the Dunning–Kruger effect.

>This coming from Yea Forums that workships domestic abuse (tsunderes) murderers (Yanderes and/or extreme sadists), argues constantly about shipwars despite how low quality the series is or became but as long as their ship wins it doesn't matter, and will unironically defend the MC of World's End Harem
Hello Mr.Kettle

>implying Yea Forums is a hive-mind

The people that saw the incest not coming are so weird and genre-deaf.

Everyone with a brain could see from the first episode that it'd surely go full incest. That scene in the first episode with Kirino crawling closer to Kyousuke was pretty much designed to send a message.

The worst is the crowd that only really saw it when the actual confession happened: the first episode hinted it would be incestuous and from the moment they went on their first fake date in like episode 7 it was already obvious that at the very least Kirino had feelings.

Oh my God, an actual en-dash being used properly; help mine unbelief.

I swear this show was carefully designed to dog-whistle. The men in charge are actually brilliant from a commercial standpoint despite butchering it from an artistic one — they managed to perfectly walk the line where the moralfag that gets turned off by incest had just enough plausible deniability to keep blocking out all the obvious signs that first Kirino and later Kyousuke were growing feelings for one another but the signs were still obvious enough that the sisconfag that gets turned on by incest could see it and kept watching so until the end where they had to alienate one of them they managed to keep both.

The man that acts surprised at the incest ending is always the man also offended by it. It relies on being so offended by the concept that one blocks out the just-barely plausibly ambiguous signs.

>Yes, their love only lasted a short time, but that is realistic

Amazing people still misinterpret the ending to this day, specially now that, with what the author has said and what the canon short story after the LN implies, there's no ambiguity at all that they continue their relationship.

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No, leader was the right word. Fushimi is a visionary, a pioneer.

they should've fucked

Because o.p. is talking about the t.v. version and not the source material? the former of which in no way implies that they go on in secret.

Saying "But another canon does imply it." makes it not that this one does. This is like using the Sam Raimi films to argue that M.C.U. Spidey has organic webbing.

That whole talk about genetic defects is just post hoc rationalization, such issues among single instances of incest are far less likely and far less severe than you, or society in general, is aware of.

People are disgusted by incest mostly because of social conditioning, if they were actually okay with eugenicist arguments they would support measures that in reality they find morally abhorrent, such as making illegal people with certain congenital conditions to breed.

The anime still has the kiss scene, with Kyousuke still obviously attracted to his sister, and Kirino herself asking for more "life counseling". That scene alone, at the very least, leaves the door open for further romantic relationship between them, yet people act like if the anime separated them for good.

It leaves the possibility maybe but it in no way clearly implies it like the book and especially the after-story do where there's just no denying.

The "kiss scene" was a kiss on the cheek.

>The "kiss scene" was a kiss on the cheek.
Indeed, but it was still flagrantly romantic nonetheless.

>implying the book didn't imply they did

>kirino is the worst character in the whole series and if she wasnt in it it would have been a much better show
This

Maybe it was but it was just Kyousuke kissing Kirino on the cheek; Kirino getting angry because Kirino gets angry at Kyouske's every heartbeat; then Kirino says "You're in for some serious life counseling when we get home." and that's it; that's really not enough to remotely conclude that they are secretly still doing the Alabama in private.

>Kyoud-Ai

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>ywn fuck your sister until her eyes become hearts
Kill me.

Post it then

>he doesn't know it's outlawed to serialize incest in manga magazines

this.
fuck you japan

It isn't outlined; it's sale is just prohibited to minors in Tokyo which makes it commercially less viable.

age of adulthood in japan is also 20 years old

>tfw your imouto will never look at your crotch like this

...

>tfw my imouto did look at me with these eyes
>I was too chickenshit to do anything about it
>now she's married so its too late to make a move

How can people like this wish fulfillment trash?

What ISN'T wish fulfillment these days?

>I can't actually argue that there's anything wrong with it I'm just upset that they don't shield my delicate sensibilities from their entire existence

How it is more wish fulfillment than anything else in existence? If anything the entire point of the series is having to face real problems and how to balance life with your hobbies.

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Best waifu there!

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Ya blew it.

>Says the guy posting on Yea Forums - Anime & Manga

How big are kirino's breasts supposed to be? They are inconsistent.

BASED
A E
S S
E A
DESAB

She's hotter in the manga.

Agreed — the præmise that real-life imoutos are actually terrible compared to their idealized 2D counterpart was interesting.

It's still terrible self-insert shit leading to Kyousuke being a super uninteresting character though, but at least one gets to self-insert into a man of hardship in the real world, except for the harem crap.

Age of consent is 13 though.
Although that's only at a national level, it's higher than that basically everywhere.

Pretty big, Kirino is a titty monster, Ayase is the big booty hoe.

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I want Ayase to beat the shit out of me

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In what country would a person like him be treated like a leader? Cuz I'm already looking for how to get a citizenship there

>consent
Only if the other party is a minor too.

I will never forgive myself for missing this

Your 1st incest too?

Same.

>mfw didn't watch and not planing to watch last specials

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Kirino is just a bitch.

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She can't keep getting away with it!

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>their love only lasted a short time, but that is realistic
user I...

i thought the entire basis of this anime even existing was for the doujins?

>there hasn't been one for 2019 yet
We still have 4 months left.

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This
>first exposure to oreimo was through a faptastic doujin
>decided to watch the anime
>now I can fap to the doujins even harder because I now know they their characters and context.

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I only read ayase doujins and consider the PSP ayase ending to be canon.

based user btfoing the degenerates

baitmaster
this

>he wrote a novel aimed at teenagers whose message at the base level is “Maybe you should fuck your 14 year old sister”

Imagine being a subhuman who is easily manipulated by media.