Girls fall for the MC because he's nice

Just like in real life

unironically happened to me
it was awkward

>MC has a chick he likes and wants to muster his courage to confess his feelings
>The story starts by introducing the rival girl as the main girl and also shove her down your throat until you think she is the best girl for him
>Most of the story is about MC trying to get with his one and only crush, rival slowly falls for him but MC knows who he wants to bang and it's not her
>Finally MC grows balls and confess and dates his entire life's crush, all the effort finally paid off
>Happy pair for a couple of chapters
>Someone goes to MC because rival chick is depressed
>Oh MC, do you actually like this chick you spend half the story trying to get? You know you like rival girl instead right?
>MC suddenly loves rival chick
What was the point of all the fucking struggle then if some fuck is going to tell him he doesn't actually like the chick he fought for over 200 chapters and MC is going to suddenly agree with that.

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>guy falls for love with a girl because she's nice

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What's wrong, user? That's how it works if you're good looking. You aren't ugly, right?

>Girls fall for the MC for no obvious reason
>Girls are possessive over him and don't want to share him
>Girls never the less try to get with him
>No girls are ever upset when one of them gets to the next base before they do
>'Best Girl' who wins is truthfully completely emotionally cucked and MC has fondled or kissed every other girl

what is /r9k/?

>Girl falls for the antagonist because he's hitler and killed her friends and almost destroyed the whole world.

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That's more realistic because when you're a bloke you really have to take what you can get.

>Girl falls for the MC because he cut her into 17 hunks of meat

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>Girl falls for the MC because he picked up her eraser when they were in elementary school

wait i never watched the second one. kaisar dies in front of his necromancer loli waifu?

THIS CHAIR!

Unironically this. There's a difference between being a nice guy and being a niceguy.

>Antagonist falls in love with MC because he's nice

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osananajimi fixation is real
I still dream about mine every once in a while.

Even worse.
Kaisar dies trying to save Charioce for some fucking reason.

EVERYONE is nice. For fuck's sake, this "nice guy wins" stuff is insulting because it acts like it's a premium. People are polite by default. Being nice isn't a quality. It's a requirement. I don't like how anime highlights it as a quality, because God knows how "nice" gets you. I'm not saying "nice guys" lose, but being nice isn't the damn scope. By that logic girls would be falling for everyone "nice".

this one is kino

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the point I was trying to make is that there's a difference between being polite and nice

>Girl fall for the MC because she saw him jerking off

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>Really attractive girl falls for mc because he's the first person to ever call her cute

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>People are polite by default.
Clearly you've never been to china.

this doesn't work

Tell that to Okada.

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I fall for girls because they're nice all the time. Why is it different for girls falling for guys.

I really don't think that's true at all.

It works if the dude has a massive dick.
Bit unrealistic for the japanese though.

This is the only good application of this cliche. When you're so inhumanly nice you melt the villain's heart.

>why isn't he jerking off to me??
Okada has issues. I love her.

I like how they subverted that trope in Chuunibyou by showing that the girl Yuta likes is bitchy and insecure

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not the case with True Tears

I would fall for a girl if she was nice to me, so why the opposite can't happen?

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Villains falling madly in love with a good guy and going all lovey dovey (and motherlike if it comes to that) but still retaining traces of their evil nature it some tippity top grade shit

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Has it happened to you?
You're nice, right?

define nice
acting polite and with a base level of friendliness does not show enough of a person to justify falling for them

>but still retaining traces of their evil nature

Fuck yeah

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Man, I hadn't seen this gif in ages.

>EVERYONE is nice
You've been in your basement for too long, user.

Move to a better country.

Don't you fags act like this is unreasonable. I went all of middle school and high school falling in love with every girl that gave me the slightest bit of attention. It didn't happen often, but when it did, I was attached.

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>People are polite by default
No. People who are not nice can try to act polite to make a good impression. I can do it too and it usually works fine when it comes to interactions at work.
If the said person isn't a good actor, it looks creepy as fuck, just like any other failed manipulation attempt.
>Being nice isn't a quality
It is because I'm sure as hell isn't. I'm extremely blunt and see no point in sugarcoating the truth.

Not that user, but I guess the best word for it would be thoughtful, even then, real kindness is not something as common as one may think, because as long as it brings you displeasure most will avoid it. It would be a combination of the two, the kindness to being considerate of others and acting for their well being without expecting anything in return, having an amiable disposition, and then the thoughtfulness to make this possible, in the best kind of way. Realizing others true emotions behind what they are displaying and helping them after having a clear view of their situation and their needs, what, when and why. If they are not a friend is not that normal to find someone who would go out their way to help you, and is strange for a person to have that quality together with the ability to notice the small details, give them careful though, and then do or say something in a honest and open way to help you, disregarding the effort (pain in the ass) it would probably take to do it well enough.

American here. What country is nice?

>Girl falls for the MC because he pulls off a legitimately smooth confession

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girls are not that desperate

>girl falls for a guy because he jerks off to her

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based Okada

>girl falls for a guy because he adopted her

BASED

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Sound realistic

>I went all of middle school and high school falling in love with every girl that gave me the slightest bit of attention. It didn't happen often, but when it did, I was attached.
here's the problem, by doing this shit you're alienated every girl who didn't want to have a sad autist obsessing over her just for not treating him like shit

I don't get this complaint. would you rather have girls fall for the protagonist because he's rich or has a huge cock like real life roasties?

The world would be a better place if all girls were like that.

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Source

What a slut

Yes.
It would be nice to see a beta mc get cucked by a chad for once.

That means I’m an asshole? Good

sauce?

>There's a difference between being a nice guy and being a niceguy.

okay, what's the distinction other than the space between?

>girl falls for MC because he saved her
>would have fallen for anyone if they saved her

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>girl falls in love because mc stole her panties

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>girls loves everyone no matter who they are

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if the MC is attractive then it's realistic

first one is not being a dick to people
second one is the same but with the ulterior motive of getting pussy in return and getting mad when it doesn't work

Thread

Getting your partner is mostly about being in the right place at the right time

this

The same as the difference between being Badguy and a bad guy.

Which is?

>rance is a shoujo now
Could've fooled me.

Thanks user, it was a very cute read.

Being a Sol Badguy?

The latter involves doing a bunch of horrible things. The former involves mashing buttons and using Dragon Install at every chance.

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Niceguys aren't actually interested in other people. They use politeness to get what they want, and become angry when it fails. Genuine nice guys understand what other people are feeling and makes the best dealing in the situation for everyone. The latter is harder because it takes experience and awareness.

kino

Most of the time they justify it with the fact that they never go beyond a schoolyard crush (ie "oh she's so perfect snd beautiful and we're gonna have a quiet and happy life together with our picket fence"), and if he's done some real relationship building it would be with the main heroine since he sees every side good and bad

Komi-san does it right, I feel. Since it's not just one incident but the dude actually being genuinely kind and helpful through the entire series with no ulterior motive but also not coming off as an orbiter.

>girls rapes everyone no matter who they are
More accurate now bro

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You talk as if it's wrong to expect sex in return to being nice.
Niceness is repaid with niceness. If a guy was nice to a girl, it's only natural he'd expect her to be nice to him, and turning him down is the definition of not nice. Therefore she shouldn't turn him down, she should be nice and repay him with sex or at least some physical intimacy.
As they say in my country, one should never deny another person a glass of water nor a blowjob.

I'm gonna need the sauce please. Nothing is more kino than evil femdom antagonist falls in love with mc.

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who the fuck jerks off with pants around ankles and feet up on the table

Not him but I live in NJ. Everyone is nice to pretty women and cute girls. It's not even funny how every guy I know bends over backwards for any girl that's like a 6 or above.

That's why I liked True Tears ending.

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It's porn. Dramatic Couple. Also not really femdom.

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>MC shoots little girls for fun
That doesn't sound nice at all.

>You talk as if it's wrong to expect sex in return to being nice
Not him but it's pretty stupid

females

ok, borat

yeah it's wrong for the girl if she's leading him on, but otherwise it's easy to take a hint early on

There sure are a lot of pedos in Hinamizawa...

>You talk as if it's wrong to expect sex in return to being nice.
Dude I'm just expecting a thank you, but even these days you can't even get that. When I hold a door open for you, I don't wanna get in your pants. I'm just trying to be a decent human being.

Protip, here's an easy way to distinguish between being nice and being the dreaded "nice guy" that everyone despises:

-Being nice involves being polite and approachable.
-Beings a "nice guy" is doing the same thing as an ugly person.

Remember anons, don't be ugly! That's the key!

>Niceness is repaid with niceness.
yeah, not with sex

this

this, also, self-pity and entitlement are ugly

Based

Literally spelled out for you she falls for MC because he saves everyone without the ulterior motive, not just her, speedwatcher friend.

This one is good especially when the girl is super high strung.

>Good
It's fucking ridiculous.
You're telling me that nobody ever tried picking up a very attractive girl who is dedicated and hard working and of high moral virtue? That's like the definition of a perfect woman.

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Quite insightful user. How ugly is the girl you want to bang?

so one's a low bar default person and the other is psychopathic?

Do you sometimes park in handicapped spaces, while handicapped people make handicapped faces?

so one's genuine empathy and concern while the other is psychopathy?

pretty much

Doesn't even need to be really inhumanly nice, just an earnest, nice and good person. It can be really disarming when you encounter someone like that.

so say your approach is the "empty cup" approach, basically you start out as a base line of nice and welcoming as you would like to be treated, if the person is nice back you return niceness too, scaled to their reaction, if they are an ass, you be and ass back. technically you are not being 'nice' but neither is the the other person in that case... what does that fall under?

is the difference that one is physically attractive and the other isn't?

okay, but is the default bar "nice" or jsut default? like this would shift from culture to culture wouldn't it?

Dingdingding!

I don't think it's usually psychopathy, more like a combination of different things. Not everyone is elliot rodgers tier.

I think that is the distinction between hitting on or being a creep.

by default their the same, unless you are seen as attractive or not.

That just puts you on the same level as autists that think because women smile at them they must be chad.

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>I fall for girls because they're nice all the time. Why is it different for girls falling for guys.
It's not. The difference is the level of standards. Women are far pickier, so they only instantly fall for 10/10 chads and find normal men unappetizing. An average man is not the same as the average woman, and thinking so is a mistake.

well I mean I have dealt with actual psychopaths in my life (Superficial charm is always a red flag with me) I jsut thought Rogers was a entitled rich-kid brat.

here's what's weird, in my field i am not an asshole becasue I want to be... But everyone would make things worse and screw things up if i am not. I try my best to be nice, but often I am brutally honest when I cannot afford misunderstanding of instructions of intent. dispite this my crew still likes me anyway and my boss has given up trying to assert his aurthority of over mine.

I guess. I'm still going to go out on a limb and say that most people treat their acquaintances with a certain degree of courtesy and a friendly demeanor. Still there's a long stretch from that kind of relationship to a sexual one.

The thing that really gets me is not when the character is nice, but when "nice" is all they have and are otherwise an extremely boring faggot. Even Rito, as faggy as he is, has an alien space princess and mad gardening skills and a sweet rack of tits when he's genderbent. But those stories where the main character is just described as nice and all the girls fall into his lap are the worst.

Thankfully however that kind of protagonist seems to have been more common 10 years ago and is in deep decline nowadays. The type of isekai hero that gets all the girls because he can shoot lasers out his ass is annoying, but preferable to a protagonist who has literally nothing going for him.

Rance is comedic, shoujo romance is comedic- what's the difference?

yeah... as an autsistic addult, is hard enough to know that some one has smiled at you let alone be paying attnesion to people around your whom you are not talking to. that sounds more like brain damaged NTs

Being direct is not being an asshole, especially in a work environment

That sounds like you're being assertive, which is a good thing.

Yuta didn't get with Nibutani though

huh... yeah I guess I am jsut not sure where i'd fall on that shit just becasue.... I have worked in retail and customer service dealing with ignorant and assholes customer and worked in construction... I kinda had to be an asshole to survive and do those jobs, my worry is is being more gaurded by default making me less nice. or an I capable of being nice, but not very trusting...

yeah, but I am not doing it in the "I ama corperate go getter" wallstreet shit, I am doing it becasue whole projects will go to shit if I don't do what I am doing, and my boss is wome dumbass boomer who has no fucking clue how the policies, the tech, the material crew organization or even the location of the customers are yet, this is the last line of the defense if I don't get things dealt with.

>girls fall for the MC because he's handsome

This one I can believe.

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>I have worked in retail and customer service dealing with ignorant and assholes customer and worked in construction
Dealing with strangers is a completely different cup of tea

When does that happen?

thanks... yeah... dating is not something I have time for or can imagine a place in.

I did it sometimes..

I like this one.

Bern will not allow OP to ever happen again!

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That's such a good lewd manga.

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>That's how it works if you're good looking
So what you're saying is that looks are the actual reason and being nice is just an excuse?

>Women should not complain when men are angry if men spend a bunch of money on them and are told they just want to be friends, don't be a bitch.
Seems to me these men would be better off just getting a prostitute

>Dealing with strangers is a completely different cup of tea
strangers is dating... thus why its fucking stupid.

All the fucking time, but it's mostly background bimbos.

>boy meets girl
>they become friends and their relationship develops for about 100 chapters
>both are sexually attractive and MC is a decent person, who really cares about her
>user thinks she fell for him because "he's nice"

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don't treat your date like a bitchy costumer that wants to return a shirt

yeah... that's the funny thing, I have heard the "nice guy" smear come to mean, making friends BEFORE becoming an item... which honestly would make alot more sense than trying anything as strangers...

>boy doesn't meet girl
>girl doesn't meet boy
>all this because society is structured to alienate the sexes in order to push people into careers instead of creating families
>this pleases the capitalist overlords
>once birthrates go down, politicians import third worlders in order to fill up the labor positions
>this causes a breakdown of civilized society
>girl gets raped
>boy gets stabbed
>capitalist overlords get richer
>all is well

if they are a friend that's different, but if its jsut some rando at a bar or whatever, not a whole lot of incentive to pour effect into a a stranger you don't actually know.

if we destroy religion, then the birthrate will go down everywhere

God died with the industrial revolution.

We might hope to find God once again in quantum physics.

The breakdown between the sexes was caused by feminism, not capitalism. lrn2history.

Well who do you think created feminism smart guy.

What people tend to overlook about this scenario
>MC is actually handsome or at the very least above average.
The feMC would all be creeped out if the nice guy thing was from an ugly dude. Mark my words.

Feminism was pushed to get women into factories, in order to create more cash flow, baka.

But most harem protagonists are plain and boring, not handsome. The number of handsome protagonists is tiny.

>Someone writes the words "plain and boring" over the guy's face
>He's actually at least an 8/10
Oh, but you're totally right. The anime didn't draw sparkles all over him. That means he's a 4/10 never ever.

>feMC would all be creeped out if the nice guy thing was from an ugly dude

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>niceness is repaid with niceness
In other words,if a man opens the door for user,he will be forced to give his boipucci

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The problem isn't capitalism, it's the jews. If there weren't any jews plotting everything behind the scenes, capitalism work even better than it did during the golden age.

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>Be isekai alchemist
>Meet bandits
>Fuck them
>Meet guildmaster
>Fuck her
>Meet even more girls
>Fuck 'em all.
>Do absolutely no alchemy.

I love Butsuri

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cartman?

Shhh, people aren't ready for that redpill yet.

C-chotto matte.

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China is too weird. Don't compare them with normal places please

This isn't /pol/ retard.

>be a genuinely nice person
>but also ugly
>so instead you get labeled as niceguy so other people can pretend you deserved it

This. Drives me batshit.
>3 girls are constantly and forcefully hitting on the MC right in front of the other one and starting mini cat-fights
>One of them is about to give up on him
>"No Girl#3-chan! I want to have a fair fight with you all the way through to the bitter end!"
>Girl#3-chan reconsiders and goes back to fighting over the guy
>"We'll be best friends forever no matter what!"
The only way this situation would EVER actually happen is if the character was in a poly relationship already, not with girls set on marriage and children.

niceguys are not nice people, they're mostly entitled manchildren who think being a polite person is a trait and not the absolute bare minimum. usually people who lash out the second they don't get what they want and play the victim and/or deluded into thinking they're rejected for being too nice

Isn't that the plot of most Steven Universe episodes?

You've tried?

if you think you're entitled to sex just from being polite then you're not genuinely nice and you did deserve it

most people I know who say being nice and polite is the baseline and thus doesn't count are actually massive cunts.

>I said good morning, why aren't you giving me a blowjob, you ungrateful bitch!? No, saying good morning back is not ok
user being retarded, news at 11

Women do that. It makes me think the author is a woman who's never seen a guy jerk it before. I mean, just look at his hand position. Either he's sporting a 2-incher, or his cock is located in his undercarriage.

I don't. I'm nice because I like helping other people.
But even if you are genuinely nice it kinda puts you down when no one ever seems to appreciate it in any way.

they're right, though

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Nice guys are people who become bitter due to constant rejection even though they followed the advice they were given to achieve romantic success. It's a trait acquired over time, not one you start with. Blaming them is only something women do because they don't want to admit they're lying and only care about looks.

He only seems himself as a fat blob because self esteem issues, he's actually handsome or something

OPEN THE BOIWOMB

Real answer: Girls are approached, boys approach. Pretty much every girl is getting hit on 24/7, so they don't need attention. They need security. That's why chicks hate insecure men.

>it kinda puts you down when no one ever seems to appreciate it in any way
Speak for yourself.
I like to buy food for homeless people and drop it off next to them when I walk past because I don't like people paying attention to it.
If I do something nice but then someone makes a comment about it then part of me starts thinking I only did it to get noticed or something which feels like shit.

Selfishness is being nice,and there's nothing wrong with being egocentric or narcicisstic every now and then,keep being yourselves.

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They should get mad at the people who gave them shitty advice.
Nurturing a sense of entitlement and blaming women isn't going to get anyone laid.

no it's that you're literally only being nice to get laid, otherwise you'd be the degenerate subhuman asshole in real life you are online, you think you're slick thinking that nobody can possibly tell your "niceness" is a total sham, when in reality literally everyone sees through you.

99% of "incels" are literally trash tier human beings who should probably kill themselves, but instead of doing so, blame society for the fact that nobody finds them pleasant to be around.

Do you realize the kind of human garbage that gets laid regularly? Gets dates regularly? And "nice guys" can't even meet that standard. Fucking kill yourselves.

finally someone who gets it.

Yes

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I am MC.

Yeah, that's not really normal though. Most people enjoy being appreciated by others.
These threads always have a lot of weird people who seem to think that if you don't also give the guy who just robbed you a blowjob you aren't "really nice".
There's a lot of middle ground between being fake nice because you think it will get you something and having a helper complex that keeps acting up even if everyone treats you like an unperson.

>It's a trait acquired over time
At least this part is definitely right.

>Do you realize the kind of human garbage that gets laid regularly?
So what you're saying is that nice guys finish last and chicks dig abusive dudes?

Its actually healthy in a relationship to help yourself first.

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the whole "nice guys" thing was only ever brought up as a counter to "girls like assholes".
they couldn't really argue the latter so they just claimed that everyone who is not openly acting like an asshole is just an even worse asshole actually.

did you really realize that just now

>Do you realize the kind of human garbage that gets laid regularly? Gets dates regularly?
The ones who have good facial structure and large bank accounts.

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It's just not the same without sound.
youtube.com/watch?v=C_hdn31l3CI

yep, unironically bee urself, even if you are kind of a dick. Being upfront is more attractive that a nice guy act everyone can see trough.

harsh but fair

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>That danger clash followed up immediately by both of them doing Dragon Install

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More like, "nice guys" have so little to them that abusers are actually better because abusers can at least fake being real people for a while

>Girl falls for the MC because he likes someone else

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>Girl becomes your wife because you peed on each other when you were younger.
What a golden show

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>They should get mad at the people who gave them shitty advice.
You mean all of society? if they ask authority figures, they're told to be good boys and respect women. If they ask Chad, he says "be yourself, bro." Nobody says the truth, because it's uncomfortable. What are you supposed to do when you do exactly as told but it doesn't work? When it not working results in your becoming a social pariah, and doubling down only makes it worse? It makes you become bitter. It's a completely natural reaction and blaming the victim is only contributing to it.

Like this shit. This way of thinking is what women use. Because they don't want to admit the system and social order is broken, because they benefit from it. This kind of attitude only further alienates the "nice guys" and destroys everything.

he's saying nice guys are actually self absorbed faggots putting up a front that doesn't fool anyone

actually 2/10 pedophiles and rapists find wives too.

Translation: nice guys are ugly so we have to pretended their inside is bad just like their outside. That's the easiest way to justify me being attracted to assholes.

Looks are the only thing that really matters.

there are no nice guys.

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Correct, because of betabucks.

>I don't rape anymore it's cool

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Says who? What are you basing this sweeping generalization on?

Sh-shut up!

Are there nice guys who are polite to women but rude to everybody else? From what I've seen they're polite toe everybody and merely frustrated in their lack of romantic success. Otherwise the whole "putting up a front" thing makes no sense. Are you critisizing them for not walking to to women and going "hey baby, u want som fuk?"

>What are you supposed to do when you do exactly as told but it doesn't work?
>they're told to be good boys and respect women
acting as a beta orbiter and treating your relationship with a woman as a slow grind towards sex is not in any way, shape or form respecting her

>acting as a beta orbiter and treating your relationship with a woman as a slow grind towards sex is not in any way, shape or form respecting her
Why? What is unreasonable about friends becoming lovers? Ever stop yourself to ask this? When you think about it, the female perception of how the world should work is completely insane.

It's very easy for a reasonably beautiful/successful/studious girl to intimidate men around her to the point she'll take the first guy to actually have the balls to hit on her, and it's only gotten worse in recent years. Everyone in this thread is a prime example; it's a lot easier to sit on your couch and whine about never getting laid on the internet (circlejerking, i.e. seek positive reinforcement) than it is to actually go out and try hitting on girls (i.e. face the risk of rejection). Most of the guys here are emotionally immature as fuck and stuck at the highschool level, if not lower.

>Girl fall in love me with a guy for being nice
>Think nothing of it and move on
>Girl act nice with a guy because she likes him
>Think nothing of it and move on
>After few years, they finally give up and move on with another guy
>A friend tell the guy about this situation
>Still think nothing if it and move on
Literally me

If you aren't at least 6 feet tall with an at least 8/10 face and full head of hair no woman will EVER love you no matter what you do or how you act. This is a fact.

If you do meet those requirements however, you can literally beat women and they'll still love you.

based and redpilled

DESU, that one's still a mystery because KYH apparently liked him enough to dive in front of a car before he did anything for her. There were some theories that she knew him from somewhere before middle school, but nothing substantiated yet AFAIK.

That one's real though. Women love a taken man because basically the other woman is vouching that he's a catch.

Not the last user. I also like helping people, but so many people are just so fucking stupid, ignorant, disorganized, or act like they have some sort of mental disability that when I'm helping them, I sound exasperated and come off as an asshole. I've even been called tsundere because of this.

>Pretty much every girl is getting hit on 24/7
God, that must suck.

>Are you critisizing them for not walking to to women and going "hey baby, u want som fuk?"
yes, you think you can con a woman into wanting to fuck with multiple acts of baseline acceptable social interactions? Let her know what your deal is treat her like a rational being that can make her own decisions

Normalfags in this thread get BTFO in one pic

Quit pushing this bullshit "she's TOO good looking and guys are intimidated" crap. Every woman that isn't physically deformed gets hit on by more guys than she knows what to do with.

And hot girls get hit on the most of all, quit spreading lies to give them sympathy as if they need even easier lives.

The logical fallacy here is that being nice isn't a marketable trait, it's expected no matter who or what you look like

ITT: Bitter fatties and spergs

If you want to smash pussy just get fit and a decent income, then hit up tinder thots or club whores.
If you want a real relationship do the same thing but actually try and connect with a girl over a hobby or passion so you won't hate them after the intimacy dies down later in the relationship.
In either case assert yourself don't be a doormat.

>What is unreasonable about friends becoming lovers?
Nothing. This happens all of the time. A lot of my exes were former friends and we moved up a level to try things out. The "friendzone" exists only for betas.

If I think he is cute, then no shit 2d girls think that

That was actual personal experience, though.
Middle school, 3rd grade. Hottest girl in the class came to our "prom" with a maybe 5/10 guy who was the class clown. Why? He literally walked up to her and asked her for her number on his first day in school (transfer student).

Girls definitely begin gauging you more when you help them out, but she's just pondering whether she wants to answer the door. The door is still locked, and it's certainly not open.

Girls fucking hate weak, effeminate men who never assert themselves or who assert themselves in a whiny fashion. They're looking for a strong, stoic pillar that they can tether themselves to while they're vulnerable during pregnancy and then while they're nursing the child. They want you to have a strong, well-developed identity. They don't want a feather that can be blown around by a woman's whims. The girl would have to be pretty desperate to spend months on end pursuing the average Japanese student™. He's usually not even good as a beta bux deluxe.

>yes, you think you can con a woman into wanting to fuck with multiple acts of baseline acceptable social interactions? Let her know what your deal is treat her like a rational being that can make her own decisions
Again, what the fuck are you even saying? Do you also apply the same standards for women? Do you think women don't start hitting on male acquaintances and friends if they're rebounding or feeling like it that day? Your standards are completely insane. In your world if a man finds a woman attractive he cannot communicate with her in any other way but "I want to fuck you."

AN ENTIRE DECADE AND STILL MAD

The gym can't fix height, face or hair.

But this one is good.

All those traits are physical. If you act like that without being attractive you'll just be seen as a creepy asshole.

KIMI KISS PURE RAGE CAN FUCK OFF FROM THIS PLANET

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The vast majority of harem MCs are made out to be average or even below average, e.g. as indicated by everyone but the love interests being unable to recognise their "true" qualities.

>I never met a sadistic dominant woman in my life
Granted most of them are basically abusive

>He doesn't offer his boipucci to every man that says hello to him.

God damn, all the generalizing. Not all women are the same.

Yes they are.

No. He's literally a fat manlet.

>Haruyuki Arita
>Height 134 cm
>Weight 56 kg

Yes they are.

I think I remember a study or some shit where women seem drawn to men who had sex recently. Something something pheromones.

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The only manga I've ever seen where the entire cast keep pushing the meme that he's "average" beyond chapter 2 is Komi-san.

A bulky body will get you plenty of pussy even if you lack in all the qualities you mentioned, naturally less than an ottermode chad, but easily more than the increasingly obese male population.

This is all atheist evolutionary psychology.

ok but do you want to be ugly, small, bald and a disgusting obese? Or an ugly, small, bald with an athlete body. Your choice.

Why did she do this again?

>Do you also apply the same standards for women?
I apply the same standards for anyone who wants to fuck somebody else. Do you think you're justified in resenting someone because acting like a doormat expecting sempai to notice you and develop an uncontrollable craving for your extremely acceptable ass didn't work?
>In your world if a man finds a woman attractive he cannot communicate with her in any other way but "I want to fuck you."
If a man finds a woman attractive he should try pursuing it and be able to deal with it if she doesn't reciprocate

The gym can only making already naturally good-looking guy even better looking. You can be the buffest ugly bald manlet in the world, women will still laugh at you and get with the 6'4 chubby guy.

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hey

>would you rather do nothing and have a 0% chance with any woman, or work your ass off and spend hours exercising so you can still have a 0% chance with any woman

Tough choice

sounds based

Female sexuality is basically designed to force snowball effects. Men who are already winning just keep winning more and more, well men who are losing just lose harder and harder.

The gym isn't fixing an autist that already gave up because of those things anyways

They can get lucky with genetics and join /fit/ all they want but it probably isn't fixing the colossal problems under the hood that many anons might have

>unless you're acting like you've been lobotomized, you aren't really being nice

It's completely normal to put more effort into the person you are romantically interested in. After all, you want them to pay attention to you and grow to like you.
It's also normal that once said person has rejected you and told you they don't want to be the center of your attention, you tune it back to a normal level. That doesn't mean that your increased attention before wasn't genuine. Just that you know when to stop.

Thats the most realistic story ever told then. Bitches fucking love serial killers.

yes they are, sad virgins on anime forums are famed for their keen insight into the female psyche

>Tomboy never win

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It sounds to me like he was charismatic, or at least not afraid, and women like that.

I hate this shitty anime so much
>Girl forms an unnatural attachment for Dale even though the bar owners are the ones raising her
>Dale is her "father" even though he is way more of an older brother
>Dale is such an annoying piece of crap with is baby voice and "MUH LATINA IS SO CUTE SQUEEEEEEEE!"
>Some young dude is better than all the older and more experianced adventurers
Want me to fix it in one go? Dale is an older brother figure, Latina is being raised by the bar owners and their patrons. Story could have focused around Latina learning a lesson from all the regulars.

Because once it has been established there's usually no point going on about it. Just look at who real women like. Compare shoujo male love interests to your average harem MC. You wouldn't find a guy like Yuki Rito to be the love interest in female oriented romance. Harem MCs are not written to be attractive to women they are written to be relatable to people who are not attractive to women (i.e. the people watching these shows).

>boy meets girl
>relationship grows over time and they keep growing closer and closer
>boy falls in love
>girl notices and seem to reciprocate
>boy muster the courage to confess
>girl rejects him and a week later is with Chad
>boy becomes heartbroken and a bit resentful, but keeps everything inside and simply choose to keep his distance from her from now on
>girl notices she lost her beta orbiter and starts spouting "gee niceguys are so entitled and act nice only because they want pussy!"

Tomo-chan won!

you don't train for women, of all reasons. Go to /fit/ and start a thread on why they do it. You'll get enlightened.

It actually makes sense since Dale is an alpha-adventurer and one of the highest ranked and strongest guys around. He's exactly the type of person women would fall for.

I will never not be mad

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When did Yea Forums become reddit?

Good. Maybe learn to be feminine instead you wannabe dykes.

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Can you actually name a good chemistry between a male and a female character that isn't telegraphed ?

t.

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in exchange, they never really have to experience rejection though unless they seek it out.
got my heart broken pretty badly last year and talked about it with a female friend of mine and she kept asking how that feels because she's genuinely never experienced romantic rejection even once.

>user-KUN YOU JERK YOU PROMISED TO MARRY ME WHEN YOU WERE 2 YEARS OLD

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the fuck you on about m8, everybody knows you got to treat them as if you were a combination of a coworker and her grandmother to really get her wet

The combination of the 2016 u.s. election and mass battle shounen generals started being allowed.

>being resentful over a rejection

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>not wanting a swingtop lover

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>virgin boy vs chad girl

This.

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>Because once it has been established there's usually no point going on about it.
'Cept the problem with that is that it's "established" in a single line of, more often-than-not, self-descriptive text, and then it's dropped as girls just fall in love with him at first site, or even outright call him handsome in their own thoughts. Komi-san, even if being done for a dumb joke, at least have the characters react accordingly when they see the MC what's-his-face by being blatantly unimpressed by him.

>Harem MCs are not written to be attractive to women they are written to be relatable to people who are not attractive to women
No, they're drawn to be above average at worst, then the show just "calls" them unattractive so that actually ugly people can self-insert and pretend they're handsomer than they are. It's the equivalent of American teen movies of the 80s-90s where they keep calling the shy, socially awkward girl "ugly", but then take off her glasses and let down her hair, and suddenly she's a fucking 9/10 dating Chad McChadderstud. It's retarded.

>always think the age is an exaggeration
>read a story where the confession happens literally at age 2-4
Jesus Christ.

They're not!

>sad virgins on anime forums are famed for their keen insight into the female psyche
This. Don't take relationship advice from Yea Forums, anons. Even if there are some normalfags who know what they're talking about around, it's not worth the risk of bad advice.

Years ago.

FMA(B)
Princess Mononoke
Kokoro Connect*
Baccano
Lion King

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She got drugged and would rather kill herself than be tortured to death.

>the 2016 u.s. election
What's the connection?

I think I'm reading this graph wrong.

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Not that I'm going to base my opinion of the entirety of mankind on something as retarded as okcupid, but dang that's sad.

>Don't take relationship advice from Yea Forums, anons
Yea Forums unironically gives better relationship advice than normies and chads. The discussion here is more intelligent than 99% of the shit you see in real life.

No, there's a difference between being a chad and a virgin.

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attractive guys don't need dating apps
second graph is not separated by sex
terribly gay picture user, never try to use it to prove a point

Did you actually read my post? It told you to compare shoujo love interests to harem MCs, you'll immediately spot the difference. Harem MCs are not outright "ugly" (which is rare in anime), but they're not drawn to be attractive to women either. They're usually comparatively short (opposed to shoujo love interests who are usually tall and broad), they're usually young and more feminine looking, at times even with girlish voices, etc.

The point is: the story usually points out that looks are not relevant to the girls - which further emphasises their "purity".

>Yea Forums unironically gives better relationship advice than normies and chads
how's that working out?

>Girls fall for the MC because he killed billions of people to save her

IT'S NOT ENOUGH GOD DAMN IT
It's always the same boring "ideal grorious nipponese rifu" that gets to be dicked
FUCK

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>FMA(B)
winry is not a tomboy

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My penis disagrees.

Fuck off.

I'm so sick of this mentality people try to push of "don't trust opinions about women from people who aren't successful with women".
Sure it's obvious what they're going for, they're implying that if you haven't succeeded with women you just don't understand them well enough. But I say that's a load of crap.

Failure is the best teacher. Guys who have succeeded all their life with women don't actually understand what they're doing. They succeed because they're good looking. Repeated failure no matter what you do teaches you what you're missing and how it can't be fixed.

Thanks, I feel like rewatching it now

Oh please if you don't mentally check out when some fag whines about being rejected you're only associating yourself with morons. You can pull a dating site statistic out of your ass but most anons have serious personality issues that are a much bigger problem than how they perceive themselves to look. There is no great advice, there's just sorting your own shit out

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This can wait.
You must vote!

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Ia she okay

Attractive women need them even less yet here we are with that graph. So basically we can take it to mean that among average men and average women average women find the vast majority of average men to be repulsive

your penis is fukin dumb m8, though if you like winry I acknowledge your good taste.
could be better though

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>attractive guys don't need dating apps
Attractive guys have a much easier time through dating apps since they get messages from girls. Fact is: dating apps only work for attractive guys because when an attractive guy and an unattractive guy are both one swipe away - who do you think gets the message?

>second graph is not separated by sex
And thus it applies to women too, which is the point.

Correct. Yea Forums still gives better advice than you get IRL, though.

She respects his AUTHORTAH

And she's best girl

itibitty titty works for me in this, I hope she fucks like a demon.

>boy falls in love with a girl
>unable to confess
>gifted with deus-ex machina

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> EVERYONE is nice
You never went to school did you?

>EVERYONE is nice.
imagine being so brainwashed by liberal propaganda you unironically believe this is true. If not that is top quality bait.

>It told you to compare shoujo love interests to harem MCs
I did, and it's a moot point. Most harem MC's are drawn above average attractiveness and regularly score high on female reader surveys. Authors often get fan mail from women readers stating that they find MC-kun attractive in the harem series. Comparing the art styles between Shoujo and Shounen is a false equivalency to begin with.

The thing that should be compared is the work itself on its own merits. Harem MC is NEVER drawn with a plain, boring, or ugly face. The most you can get out of your shoujo series comparison is that they aren't drawn with super narrow and small eyes, like wolves are. They're drawn to be attractive.

We could also say Mei Chang is a tomboy, with all her action packed asian kung fu-ery.

She doesn't keep them. She does fuck like a demon though.

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>engineers don't know shit about engineers. High school dropouts should design that bridge

>I did, and it's a moot point.
No, it's not. Shoujo manga shows you what women actually like. Female readers of male oriented romance are outliers.

>Harem MC is NEVER drawn with a plain, boring, or ugly face.
The vast majority of harem MCs are plain. If the harem is based on galge they often don't even HAVE faces.

Just remember anons everything you (don't) get in life is because you deserve it.

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You're imagining a fedora tipper who stands silently in the corner of the room like The Undertaker. That's not what a stoic man looks like.

He meets his obligations.
He owns his problems. If he's unhappy with his life, he views himself as both the cause and the solution.
He doesn't let people see his pain.
He's neither overly materialistic nor completely detached from the world. He enjoys what he has, but he wouldn't collapse and die without it.
He doesn't allow nutcases to drag him down with them. He gets on with his business.
He has a good sense of humor.

Obviously, stoicism is an ideal, and nobody meets it perfectly, but it's the epitome of masculinity's positive traits, and women definitely love men who carry themselves in that manner. Western civilization's success is largely built on stoic principles.

1. Dale is an alpha chad.
2. Dale literally saved her life.
3. Dale treated her like a real human bean.

This man gets it. I've seen so much bad advice going out to people from people who "made it" and didn't understand how the fuck they did it.

There was a video that made the rounds a few years back of some douche in New York telling his story about how his mom and dad told him to stop trying to be a film maker, so he ignored them and went to New York anyways where he almost immediately breaks into the industry. He says "All this happened because I just did it, so just go out there and make your dream come true!". That fucking idiot probably inflated how many waiters there were in New York and LA from gullible dream-chasers who never developed any skills outside of the entertainment industry, and he did this because he got lucky and was the 1/10,000. What a cock.

Engineering is an acquired skill. Getting laid is mostly dependent on natural gifts. This idea that Chads have some sort of secret skill that lets him get laid is lies and propaganda. Chads can do anything to get laid, because what matters most is your looks.

That last line about some men having no women is why religions exist and why literally all of them have fucking novels about how women need to be kept faithful in monogamous relationships and how men should treat women. Religious texts might as well be a redpill/pickup bible

>when an attractive guy and an unattractive guy are both one swipe away - who do you think gets the message?
I assume you try with the ugly girls first, no?
>And thus it applies to women too, which is the point.
both men and women do it, why even point it out?

?

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Esdeath should've won

You're really naive if you think attractive people who are sexually successful have never been rejected, or even always looked that good. There's no other way to put it

Isn't it the cliche/stereotype that attractive girls go for the "bad boy"? Prince Charming meme is for fairy tales and Hallmark movies.

start an armed revolution and seize the means of (re)production

that's why True Tears was good.

Yea Forums gives better advice about women because they aren't blind to how crazy they fucking are.
This is not to be confused with advice on how to get fucked. However, Yea Forums is very good at giving advice on how not to get sex. If you're smart you can do boolean logic to get the opposite.

i am ok with that. I like dirty girls too

Yeah I'm not retarded. I know Chads were still born short and it takes them about 16 years to reach 6'4 and start fucking half the girls in school. I don't see your point.

>Shoujo manga shows you what women actually like.
No, it doesn't. It shows you one subset of what most women want. Just like men have many waifu, so do women.
>Female readers of male oriented romance are outliers.
Lol what? Have you ever even been to a con before? I'm gonna need some heavy source on that before I even touch this line of thinking again.

>The vast majority of harem MCs are plain
'cept they're not, other than by proxy of MC saying "Yup, I'm your average MC-Kun, average looks and everything!" and then literally nobody in the story treating him like that at all. Fuck, this season has a few harem anime that have that MC alone, including HenSuki, where the MC says he's "average" and then the entire cast of women are ripping themselves apart for his attractiveness.

>Seems to me these men would be better off just getting a prostitute
It is impossible to tell if a woman is interested in you unless you are super chad mcgee that women basically beg you to have sex. Most men are lead on, and given that majority have next to zero prospects of a relationship they will attempt to follow up on any lead. Women should be upfront and say "I'm not interested, I just want friendship" - but no they don't say anything and would prefer to be worshiped.

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Dale is a squeaky voiced faggots that would make a lot more sense as an older brother. Even for the loli bit.

>just do the opposite
>step one be handsome

I'm not an atheist but I lost my shit when I realized how hard almost all religions try to demonize it otherwise, specifically the 72 virgins in the afterlife shit. I realized that """incels""" aren't a modern problem, they've existed for thousands of years

>If I didn't have you someone else would do
youtu.be/UEyJnwPIr4Q

>boy is nice to girl
>she falls for him
>boy rejects her
>he's depicted as an asshole for hurting the girl's feelings

partly correct.
You can still make it as an unattractive male, but it will require you to put in more effort and be less picky.

One, I'd be willing to bet that most Yea Forumsnons haven't even tried.
Two, you almost had something with failure being the best teacher, but "how it can't be fixed?" You fuck off, that's THE very worst advice you can give.

>people are cunts by default
FTFY

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Anons 2 step guide to getting women
>Step 1
Be handsome
>Step 2
Be charismatic

>BUT! I'M NEITHER OF THOSE!
Oh don't worry sport! Here is anons 2 step guide to getting women if you're ugly and akward!
>Step 1
Be rich
>Step 2
Be demanding

>BUT I'M NOT RICH
Than you're out of luck friend!

Is that picture supposed to back you up?

It's been too long

>that's THE very worst advice you can give
By what metric?
Worst advice in terms of making people feel bad? Sure.
Worst advice in terms of being accurate? Sorry, but it's the truth.

Reality IS shitty for most people. There is no fixing it. There is no hope. Get over it.

It fits sociological research. Iirc women have generally outbred men by some multiple, meaning x many times more women contributed to the gene pool than men. And in some horrific scenarios you had like 17 to 1 reproduction. Pretty clear why religious arose, it was about dudes trying to get into loincloths and using their smarts to create a more equitable society so as many men can fuck

Quite often, but its not obviously stated except in some stories. In Danberu half the girls sign up because the trainer is a chad

Do not worry user. Sentient sex robots that can bare your childeren soon.

Everytime.

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How are you having such a hard time with this?

maybe for you

I push girls off because they're either toxic or try to act like they're better than my girlfriend, and I'm not even a Chad

And it just so happens that this male-favoring monogamy also creates advances civilization, while modern-style female-favoring open sexuality led to backwards tribalism. Makes you think, doesn't it?

1. most of these guys look alright
2. get a fucking haircut then
3. height is a preference

user, if girls are hitting on you that automatically means you're a chad. You're sounding pretty fucking stupid right now.

>3. height is a preference
LOL

makes me think that I would like some examples and proven causation, broski

>both men and women do it, why even point it out?
Because men are generally more honest about it.

1. Lies
2. What hair? And for what purpose, to show how little of it you have so girls can reject you faster?
3. I guess you're right on this one. Some girls like tall guys, and some girls like really tall guys.

I love chad shotas

>girls fall for the villain because of his cock

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I said man, not a dicklet twerp.

Are you fucking retarded? You haven't noticed that every single civilization on earth was built on monogamous marriage? Are you serious?

What I'm saying is that attractive people are still rejected too. And many of them DO learn the ins and outs of dating. That jock from high school probably ended up a divorced alcoholic since you last saw him. I would consider myself attractive and some of the other dudes who got laid in the circle got fucked up, like going to prison and coming out a gay crackhead. Another guy is getting his doctorate and gives legitimately great advice to people because he learned the ins and outs of dating while still getting his own relationship off the ground, and they're married and have been for 3 years. I'm certainly not denying a natural advantage, but half of my looks came from taking care of myself, lost weight, groomed myself well, was a late bloomer that went from 5'7 to 5'11 at 20, and to say other attractive people are unaware of how they are successful is naive. There's a fine line between being successful and being manipulative.

Jokes on you, I don't have a car.

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Based on what?

He dies to save Hitler. Zombie loli waifu makes him a zombie though and they stay together.

No it depends on how ugly they are

>Couple start as acquaintances, become friends and then fall in love with each other
>They marry and have a kid
>They divorce but are on good terms

Fucking why man. I at least want to know what went wrong goddammit.

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I will never stop being mad.
I allways found it unnaturally cruel to the shota, ofcourse his dick is smaller than 3 fully grown men, ofcourse he can't pick them up, ofcourse he doesn't know how to treat them if they never demand anything from him.
Not only that but the kids dick is actually quite big for his age and he still managed to pleasure them, but after the beach night he's suddenly a whimp.

>No, it doesn't. It shows you one subset of what most women want. Just like men have many waifu, so do women.
Traits of attraction largely overlap. Singular fetishes are irrelevant.

>Lol what? Have you ever even been to a con before?
Of course not.

>'cept they're not, other than by proxy of MC saying "Yup, I'm your average MC-Kun, average looks and everything!"
Which establishes that. Also their comparatively average looks in comparison with love interests in female oriented media.

cool fake outrage, now explain how "modern-style female-favoring open sexuality led to backwards tribalism" is not you talking out of your ass?

Oops.

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Only christendom enforced monogamy, generally speaking.

I would say that was by design, and things are falling apart because humans forgot the point of advanced societies and are also destroying the glue that binds, religion, when it was keeping things together from the outside in

Based on fact?

It's gonna be the fun time when someone mades the first full-cycle artificial gestation system for humans.

Not if Lambdadelta has anything to say about it

their wombs would never lose against the sperm of scum!

The only societies that maintained open sexuality are tribes. Collapse of the family structure leads to civiizational collapse, as seen in ancient Rome. If you ask scholars the only example they would bring to debunk it would be the modern day.

That's not entirely true. Many religions demanded monogamy for women but not for men.

All major religions enforced monogamy for the average folks. Islam allowed up to 4 wives for the rich, and Confucianism allowed many concubines for the leaders. Look at the average peasant however and he was in a monogamous marriage.

>Traits of attraction largely overlap. Singular fetishes are irrelevant.
That would be more indicative of shoujo protracts being drawn extremely similar than the somewhat more varied designs of harem MCs.

>Of course not.
Spoiler: You see tons of chicks cosplaying characters and talking about harem anime. You also get laid more if you pull off an "average" MC-kun.

>Which establishes that.
No, it literally doesn't, you buffoon. That's the entire conversation. You can't just say the MC is a 16 foot pink elephant and then have the entire cast look at, treat, talk to, and interact with him as though he was a human and expect people to believe that he's actually the pink elephant. All you did was just offhandedly say something distinctively untrue.

>shota size can't even break a hymen
>while the man literally reaches up to the bellybutton from the inside

Modern incels, american commies, altright. They're small and sometimes overlap since many are all incels by definition but generally have their own distinct communities. And they're all separatists who dont see themselves as part of de fact American whole and have some issues with women

You aren't attractive then.

>Collapse of the family structure leads to civiizational collapse, as seen in ancient Rome
yeah right m8, rome fell because muh degenerates, corruption, invasions and regional instability had nothing to do with it
>If you ask scholars the only example they would bring to debunk it would be the modern day
cite me a paper, interview, opinion piece or whatever you can to prove this is not just you pouring shit out of your mouth

>hey we have this great idea to make things fair for all men
>ok but let's make it fairer for us because we came up with it
Why a lot of societies lifted up the "priest", "shaman", "prophet", etc class to the top

The thing is, we're past the point of waiting for a civilization collapse. Yes, monogamy is vital for raising kids, this is proven by education/crime rates. However, the world isn't just waiting to be filled anymore either. There's a fuckton of millenials and zoomers that won't have kids and it probably isn't gonna cause another great fall of Rome. The world isn't closed off from each other and self-sufficient anymore, otherwise we wouldn't be talking.

>for the average
It wasnt enforced, if you could get the wife and keep her, you kept her. My grandpa from china had 2 wives

You don't get facts from nothing. Where and how did you learn this?

What an awful thread.

Nig that shotas dick is like 5-6 inches and he made all of them cum.
JIN just throws a softball at you with the good old "NTR victim is suddenly a wimp."

Perhaps polygyny is the better descriptor, but almost always polygamy as a social institution refers to polgyny. Only very rare socities like nepal or some shit allow polyandry

Shotas are just meant to lose everything, user

>got rejected once
>spent time learning and talking
>never got rejected again
People do more learning than you think, and it seems you're the one refusing to learn, despite claiming the unattractive people understand the system. If it was that easy, sinfully ugly people would be procreating en masse, yet they seem to be cursing each other instead.

I don't believe we're near a societal collapse but we're seeing the edges crumble away, which is why incel-types are going insane lately and going on so many shooting sprees

Google hybristophilia and the dark triad. Women positively react to the dark triad and negatively react to niceness. Men do the opposite, which is why guys often think they need to be nice to a girl to seduce her, it's projection.

It was mentioned earlier in the thread that throughout human history, 17 women reproduced for every 1 man.

This is a demonstration of female instincts in their purest form. No limitations or inhibitions from society or technology. Women are ONLY attracted to the top 5% of men. If they have it their way, only those 5% will reproduce. The other 95% can go die for all women care. If you aren't in the top top 5% women will never love you. The best you can hope for is to be her beta provider who funds her life while she secretly cheats on you in the background with the top five percenter.

This.

>That would be more indicative of shoujo protracts being drawn extremely similar than the somewhat more varied designs of harem MCs.
Which is the case.

>You see tons of chicks cosplaying characters and talking about harem anime.
Why do you think women go there? To meet men. They can more easily do that by pretending to like the anime they watch.

>No, it literally doesn't
It does. Also, I've already told you that they don't commonly exhibit traits that are popular with women (i.e. the shoujo love interest look), making them not conventionally attractive.

>all of them get pregnant at the end
>MC gets totally cut off and cucked
>mother and daughters get porn tape of them spread sold in stores
>MC starts to train so he never gets cucked again
WHERES MY SEQUEL, I WANT THE MC COMEUPPANCE TO SHIT ALL OVER THOSE WOMEN. I JUST WANT MC-KUN TO BE HAPPY. Also didn't the red-head girl love him their entire lives? Why would she randomly cuck him for no reason?

So even if you actually are attractive, you didn't learn shit and it just got Unlucky One whole time.

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>throughout history
No, it was just that one time in 6000bc or whatever.

much more ugly then she thinks she is

>the vanilla chad vs the NTR manlets

Human beings lived like primitive animals for hundreds of thousands of years before we reached anything resembling a civilized society. And those instincts from those hundreds of thousands years still very much control us.

Why are you so desperate to cope.

>passing out after a single crunch
lmao

Polyandry rarely works because women can't get preggo from multiple men at same time, so they'll just stick to one or two guys and it'll turn either into normal monogamy or hypergamy (which in turn becomes polygyny). Not to mention strong men in a tribal society have literally no reason to accept polyandry.
Considering how unstable polyandry is, I see no problem in equating any non-monogamous arrangement as polygyny.

Whatever, it wasnt 17 to 1 except for that one time

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He's right though, it happened like once or twice that we know of. I'm sure even the cavemen incels and manlets were smart enough to form, like, rape gangs, to team up and kill chads and distribute their women most of the years.

C O P E

>Which is the case.
Then you either misstated your case, or you don't realize you just conceded that what you're saying is horseshit.

>They can more easily do that by pretending to like the anime they watch.
Or, shockingly, girls may indeed like things intended for men, just as men enjoy shoujo which is intended for girls.

>It does.
It doesn't. I don't know what anime youtuber you watched to get this retarded idea into your head, but Establishment isn't just "someone offhandedly says a character trait, therefore we must assume it's true". Establishment comes in two parts. The first part is showcasing the trait itself. If you don't read and respond to this line I'll assume you're a troll and stop giving you replies. The second, NECESSARY, part is having the world and its actors within REINFORCE the actual things stated to make it actually established instead of being a bold-face lie, hence the pink elephant example I gave you. A character is not "established" if he says "Wow he's the greatest fighter I've ever seen" and then continually and pathetically gets his ass kicked in any confrontation. Saying a character is "normal", but then drawing him above average in terms of looks and then having girls sexually assault him is NOT establishing average/below average looks.

I generally like vanilla but I think getting off to netori from time to time can feel pretty good

>except for that one time
What's your point? It only changed because the other sixteen men banded together to create civilizations based around monogamy. It doesn't change the fact that deep down women still only all want that one 17 guy.

And currently we're in the middle of a cultural revolution dedicated to letting women mate the way they naturally want to again, which means tough shit to the 16/17ers

What was that one comic where the MC-kun was gay but girls still surrounded him?

Never tell me the 3dpd meme didn't come from bitter anons ever again

But he didn't. We can logically assume that this kid will become a hyper alpha if he allready is so above average for his age.

>Never tell me the 3dpd meme didn't come from bitter anons ever again
Who told you this bald-faced lie to begin with?

Like I just said to the other guy, it doesn't matter how frequently it happened. What matters is that it demonstrates what women really want deep down. Women only want the tip top, tallest hottest men. Even if whatever societies you're living in enforces monogamy, it doesn't mean a woman will love you, just that she's forced to be with you.

I'm not sure what kind of answer I expected, but it sure wasn't that.
Don't take relationship advice from Yea Forums, anons.

See the thing is, that one time was the one time I was basically lowering my standards. And it's because I had personality flaws back then. I was more introverted back then. I was a teen so naturally I was a rude shithead, even to the extent of making comments in my head like "damn he/she is ugly", which is pretty much what you hope people are never thinking. It was once I learned about proper social cues and all these things that I spent a good year or two at least ironing myself out before I end up as a fucking lowlife, and I certainly stumbled upon umpteen opinions like the ones parroted in these threads, which is why what you're saying is paramount to saying people don't or can't change.

>it's fine if your wife is basically just another new toy you bought, that's what we call a healthy relationship man
hard pass. don't have kids and don't talk whey addicts like this kid

You weren't expected to get destroyed when your generic "b urself" """advice""" didn't fly? Shocking.

Actually, I don't think you even offered any advice. You just took offense to some obvious facts about women being stated and then tried to personally insult me.

this thread is more mentally ill than the hxh and snk generals combined.

>lmao
Jin-sama, pls.

>making comments in my head like "damn he/she is ugly"
Oh wow you were so mean and edgy.
I can't believe you would be such a massive jerk that you would actually THINK something like that.
You surely were a complete prick back then.

Shit grammar; would not fuck.

He said "people".

He's probably a manlet. Their chances of success are statistically godawful. Sad to say but there's some truth to what he says for a lot of men who are don't measure up in height or facial and bodily aesthetic. Anyone who's even remotely average will never know what it's like to be them

>amv hell
oh god why did you have to post this

doesn't even require the guy to be resentful. you will always treat your romantic interest with more attention than anyone else, so simply accepting the rejection is already enough for that reaction half of the time.

My point is it only happened that one time and nobody knows why, therefore everything you wrote is bullshit

>Just don't call women ugly directly to their faces! It's so easy dude, that's literacy all you have to do to succeed with any woman.

Wow, here I've been doing it wrong this whole time. Thank you Good Samaritan, with this shocking revelation I'm off to go form a 10000 girl harem because it's literally as easy as don't call them ugly to their face. Brilliant.

/pol/ built their colony on reddit, people came over, people don't stay on one board once they are here.
there's graphs showing the trafic and there's a pretty significant bump around the election.

>nobody knows why
It's incredibly obvious why I actually. Are you just pretending to be stupid now?

I wouldn't say it gives out better advice, but it's certainly more honest than your average normalfag when it comes to simply describing the situation.
Telling some ugly fuck that he's a great lad and surely there's the right one out there is nice and all because you don't want to destroy his last bits of self-esteem, but it's also simply a lie.

More people should know this.

While I have tried to argue against a good lot of this thread, height and build is something no one can do anything about. Putting aside 5'11 vs 6'0 memes, being below something like 5'4 has to be tough

No, nobody knows why you dumb fuck there is no historical evidence for any happening that would explain it

Normalfags will give their honest attempt at the best possible advice for any person.
Yea Forums will tell you have a 99.99% chance of failure even with the best advice.

pretty much. it's why guys who are successful with women can't actually give you any advice on how to do it, because they don't know. they just act how they always act and it works out, but it's not like most of them ever put a lot of conscious effort into it.
same if some dude who had been lame his whole life asked me how to walk because his brain never learned how to use his muscles. I wouldn't fucking know, it just werks.

Jin really is just cruel just to be cruel.

Trick to getting women:

1. Meets lots of women in a non-dating site setting
2. Talk to them normally
3. Do that until one of them likes you.

Good thing that that data isn't based on historical documents but on genetic data.

It's because women are hypergamous and only want the best of the best. Therefore if you aren't the best of the best among men women don't want you and never will.

Fact. Indisputable. Quit trying.

r/thedonald was a mistake
but it wasn't /pol/ that threw the first stone
that greentexts/Yea Forums subreddit were the first ones for all the boards in general

you know, I kinda give you the second point. Yea Forums will always assume the fucking worst and whatever part of your story doesn't fit that mindset is assumed to be a lie. just like how no one will believe you that you're a genuinely nice person on here.

but normalfags don't give you their best possible advice. they give you whatever they think you want to hear which lets them exit that awkward situation as quickly as possible.

who wouldn't be?

>height and build is something no one can do anything about
Actually you can do a lot about your build by just working out.
As for your height if you're rich enough you can actually get taller.
Look into limb lengthening surgery.

>ignoring step 0: Be tall and handsome

While I agree with you, you're being hyperbolic. A males odds are way better than 1 in 17 these days. It's like 30-40%.

Yea Forumswill never get a gf as long as they only see women as romantic partners, this is the first logical fallacy regarding these insecurities

wrong
strike within your zone(if your fat, hit on fatties, etc)
project confidence, even if you don't know shit
joke, joke, and joke some more, especially edgy jokes
NEVER seem like you don't know what your doing, this ties into rule one

Anime and manga.

Theres no skeletals or any evidence of a social happening at the time, so the genetic anomaly is unexplained. Whatever reason you give is just your shitty bias

shit people usually don't realize they are shit people. they just blank out the terrible aspects of their personality and pretend that being absolutely atrocious to that one person doesn't count because they only spent like one minute of their day on it and the rest of the day went by normally.

indeed, you should see them as mothers of your children

Trick to getting women:

1. Drug her.
2. Rape her until she gets mindbroken;
3. Rinse and repeat.

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based felon user

I see fat, balding Mexicans with 8s all the fucking time around here. You trying to tell me they're ALL rich? Fuck, there is a literal 10/10 coworker of mine that I met her husband once, and he looks like he was 20 years older, fat, depressed, and wrinkled. I legitimately thought it was her father at first.

This is to be expected since even most ugly women will take care of their appearance by applying makeup and regularly taking showers.
Men will grow a neckbeard and call it a day.

No u

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Well I mean natural build. You know how some guys at similar bf% may have wider shoulders or some guys look scrawny even with muscle on them. And there's some guys who basically look like monstrosities when they try to get their abs to pop due to getting fucked by the lottery of life. But no one's perfect, we all gotta carry some weight

I grew up with 2 sisters and a mother. I'm pretty sure I don't see women as only romantic interests.
Yet I've never dated because as a guy who doesn't see them only as romantic interests I never asked out every chick I could while I was in school and now the only women I meet all work with me so even if I ask out the 2-3 chicks in the office who are single I'm risking fucking over my whole career just to get laid.
You're a fucking idiot.

he ded
its over user

ok nigger

Based and dangerously redpilled

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i wish i helped more cute girls when i was younger rather than laughing

I didn't take offense, didn't try to insult you, and didn't offer any advice. Quit projecting.

That's no reason not to try.

some get lucky, if you follow my 4 rules I can guarantee you a women, can't guarantee quality of the girl
there are always exceptions, but rules are rules for a reason

this is almost the plot to toradora as well except MC didnt get with his dream girl because she was a huge faggot

Self deprecating humor/edgy humor isn't attractive at first, that's once you know someone or know that's their kind of humor

All four of your rules rely on following my rules to start with.

what is this, macross or something?

i can confirm this, slayed countless of pussy for being nice but they said i look like zac efron minus the faggotry

>so the genetic anomaly is unexplained
lol no, that genetic anomaly literally has only one awnser.
It's done by comparing DNA of the mitochondria (which is transmitted only through females) and the DNA of the Y chromosome (which is transmitted only through males).
The disparity suggests that at least twice as many women mate compared to males.

kino ending this one

The men who are most successful with women are actually the ones who understand women the least.

They stupidly stumble through life on their looks and think women are just happy sex dispensers. They never think twice about what they are doing or what women are thinking.

>What I'm saying is that attractive people are still rejected too.
There's quite a lot of difference between getting rejected sometimes and getting rejected every time.

I just hate how Jin first makes him a chad for his age and than turns him into a wimp.
If you wanna make a good NTR story make it so that they never had sex.

i'm not saying self depreciating, i'm saying edgy, like I was asked why I didn't like doing the dishes or something, or why I spilled so much water, to which I replied i'm not a women
all the chicks laughed(it was mostly women at the restaurant) and at that job I had about 2 girls openly hitting on me, one married one not
a slight edge is what i'm talking about.

Not even joking here

Why the fuck they couln't just reject the rapists shit fucking worthless cum and stay loyal to the kid!

But nope instead they get preggo like bitches in heat

/thread

it doesnt tell you why it happened you dumbfuck

because women are hypergamous. Quit ignoring reality.

Genuine altruism is a relative rarity. You're probably thinking of professional courtesies, which even then aren't a fucking given regardless of circumstance. My entire job revolves around talking to dozens and dozens of fucking people every day, and maybe 1 in 5 are actually pleasant.
You also get a sixth sense to determine when someone is faking or putting on airs.

Sauce?

This guy gets it

not the third
>talk to them normally
chances are you are boring, cracking jokes and keeping the laughing/doing situational comedy
being a slight dick in pranking them
being confident when you clearly made a mistake, and pretending like you can do something when you can is what works
mind you this is mostly about Mexican girls
but I doubt its much different around white girls, since you'd just have to tone it down a slight bit, and tone it up a lot more around black girls

Saotome Girl

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They're only falling for the bastard CHAD.

in exchange I'd like people to stop pretending as if there wasn't a good reason to be bitter

Looking at all of our genetics relatives it is likely that early humans deployed an "Alpha male with harem" family structure. The only exception being Bonobos who literally fuck everything and anything.

it didn't, it came from the hopes and dreams of what could be and what isn't

>user spends all night ranting about Chad not being able to understand women
>meanwhile "Chad" is just out trying to have fun
Ever wondered why women find guys who are really into some hobbies mysteriously attractive? Ever wondered why some bad looking guys can score above their league?

i feel like she kind of did in the anime

Damn, this thread literally reeks. I feel like I can smell some of you from your posts.
>I've always been nice to girls! They just don't like me because I'm ugly! That's the only reason. I dindu nothin.
Based off the shitposting, it's probably because you're spineless idiot who lacks in social understanding (otherwise: you're a freak who can't talk face-to-face without being weird or uncomfortable to be around) AND ugly.

Confidence and honesty also helps. There's also the subtle art of expressing what you're like and who you are (i.e. self-advertising) through your interactions with them beyond just being "nice".

It's not complicated retard.

Just take 17 women and 17 men and put them in a room together and tell the women they can only choose one man to get pregnant with.
All 17 women will probably choose the same man, who will probably be the tallest among them, if not one of the tallest. Have a chiseled face, no receding or thinning hair. That one man isn't going to protest obviously, since he gets to have sex with 17 women.
Now expand that room to all of humanity and you've got the history of human genetics.

>do that
>circle of friends is mostly women now
>none of them ever saw me as more than a friend
I might look like Chad when we are doing something because it's usually me and like 5 women but there just seems to be something about my personality that turns them off.
Not like any of them would ever tell me what though.

those guys score chicks because they are often the least beta out of their group
some times its about fetish
and others its about genuine confidence or daddy issues, or a mix of all above

>chances are you are boring, cracking jokes and keeping the laughing/doing situational comedy
>being a slight dick in pranking them
If you're boring, then forcing jokes jokes JOKES like a retard will just make you come of as disingenuous. This is bad advice.
>being confident when you clearly made a mistake, and pretending like you can do something when you can is what works
This model is wrong. There are girls who are turned off by overconfidence like this, and there are even some girls turned on by a depressive emo boy.
>mind you this is mostly about Mexican girls
ESPECIALLY with Mexican emo/goth girls.

It's better to just follow the third rule and talk to them normally. If you fake a personality, you're going to wind up with someone you won't like. If you're normally someone who is a dick, then you're going to have trouble in ALL aspects of life, but even then it's possible to run into girls that like being spoken to like this.

Story would have been way better if it was about Tatsumi manipulating Esdeath, spying off her and leaking info.

I have a bunch of female friends I don't see as anything but friends. Doesn't change shit though.

>The end
Holy fucking kek.

Imagine being this delusional.

Mind if I use you as a guinea pig? Try learning a bunch of knots and ropes and practicing them when they are around and in eyesight. I have a theory that a few of them will try and fuck you just purely out of curiosity of what bondage is like, but I never got a chance to try it out.

From information from chimps we know that not all women function like this. Chimps have a two stratedgies, most of them follow the "Alpha male and harem' stratedgy but some of them follow a "supportive couple" stratedgy. In these couples two chimps isolate them selfs and raise childeren together.

This.
Chicks dig guys who, y'know, are passionate about things. Have things they care about. Are committed and have an actual personality & sense of character to them.

Only stupid people are passionate about things.

In other words put 34 men and 34 women in a room. One of the men is good-looking and will attract the ladies, the other one is charismatic and confident and will do the same, while you lack any redeeming qualities and proceed to rot in the eternal whiny bitch corner.

People who have no passion in their life as basically walking corpses.

the normal for history is like 5 women to 1 man. 17 is an anomaly, and there is nothing to prove any conjecture

>If you're boring, then forcing jokes jokes JOKES like a retard will just make you come of as disingenuous. This is bad advice.
that only applies if you're an autistic basement dweller that doesn't know how to read the social flow, which I was for a time, like when i first set out in my adult life
but now i can read the flow and can joke naturally, this is only a problem if you are the aforementioned
>This model is wrong. There are girls who are turned off by overconfidence like this, and there are even some girls turned on by a depressive emo boy.
nigger, you really think chicks are all different? that's simply not true, sure you can have exceptions, but exceptions are not rules, and rules are rules for a reason
>ESPECIALLY with Mexican emo/goth girls.
don't tell me you still lust after cringe worthy goths. Also it works with most working girls, as i said, you tone it down with white girls, and tone it up with black girls
all girls are fairly dumb, but white girls are generally smarter and can think, and Mexicans like that machismo shit, blacks like it even more

it is really not advised to JUS BEE URSELF, nobody gets ahead like that, and you should mold yourself to the social situation
not being able to do that is just being an autist that can't read the mood

these threads are always the same
>"if you did X, you'd have success with women"
>"but I do X"
>"no you don't you fucking liar, I can tell from here you never did"
really gives you the impression that it's people who stumbled into relationships by luck, then tried to rationalize why it worked and are now convinced their rationalization has to the idiot-proof way to do it

You are literally the saddest person ITT and that's saying something.

Unattractive people shouldn't be owed a fuck by attractive people because they've got the hots for them. It's harsh but a lot of marriages are two people "settling" for each other. Attractive people are a minority so there's nothing wrong with them sticking together. They're not laughing at unattractive people all day, it's not like some conspiracy to breed them out of the gene pool, but you are doing just that yo yourself by thinking so.

We are all walking Corpses. Death is inevitable. No matter how passionate you are about something someday you'll die and it'll all be gone.

Only stupid people are able to stop thinking about this long enough to actually bring themselves to care about something in spite of the inevitability that it will end.

Then why did the genes of inferior men even remain?

This.

i'm sorry you are shit at life user, passion drives chicks wild, especially when they are into the same thing. as long as you are not autistic and force it on them

Wow, Nietzsche, didn't realize you were a fuckin' weeb. Seriously, are you just spouting off, or are you actually this fucking pathetic?

To do and feel things passionately, is to truly be alive in the world. And most chicks that I've met aren't into necrophilia, you dig?

Oh. Yeah I don't know who pulled that 17 out of his ass. But don't be fooled thinking men and women have equal chances.

And the other 32 men wind up alone still? That's the exact same ratio retard.

Unironically seek help, no armchair therapist on Yea Forums can help you

I don't doubt it at times, like when there was an extreme surplus of men, or something like that, history is long after all, and all sorts of shit happened

>that only applies if you're an autistic basement dweller
What the fuck? Have you only ever met like 2 people in your life? I know tons of very straight-laced serious guys who have had no problem with women even with their stern expression. Don't force shit that doesn't belong though.
>nigger, you really think chicks are all different?
If your scientific model doesn't account for all cases, it's a failed model.
>Also it works with most working girls
I'm pretty sure money works faster with most working girls...
>it is really not advised to JUS BEE URSELF, nobody gets ahead like that
Except for the thousands of people that just act normally and then get ahead like that.

Since most people are in marriage/relationships, you need to be very lazy/bottom quality/too picky to not have one.

The only defining trait is physical anons, dont let girls tell you otherwise.

E.g. I am white, get now attention from girls here because I am short and chubby. Hop on over to asia and I am swimming in pussy. Did my personality change? Nice guy bs? No bitterness? Fuck no, the beauty standards changed.

Fuck women that lie about the real truth. Women could not handle being a man as they would have to work for it. And women hate honest work, they freeload all their life.

>We are all walking Corpses. Death is inevitable. No matter how passionate you are about something someday you'll die and it'll all be gone.
If you're going to be gone soon, you should struggle to drain everything out of this experience as you can, because you won't get to go back and do it again.

uggos get the sloppy seconds(or tens) after the slut wears out here looks and has to settle for the first guy with a good job when she's about 40

What? Source?

This is bs. I am passionate about astronomy, history, politics and business. I have yet to meet a girl who can properly hold a convo about any of these things (especially without surface level emotion, such as the case with history and politics).

Are you being cheeky and asking source for reincarnation, or do you want me to give you some pseudo-philosophy about how there will only be one user McAnonerson in the world and you'll never get to be him again even assuming reincarnation is a thing?

Exactly. The people here who think romance is meritocratic are fucking delusional.

Nigger you got any source for that?

>if you lower your standards, you get more deals
No shit.

>While posting on an Oriental cartoons forum

> most people are in marriage/relationships
You check the divorce rate recently, user?
> you need to be very lazy/bottom quality/too picky to not have one
This, however, is pretty accurate.

Relationships take effort and deliberate action to start, progress, and improve. I coasted through my first relationship and got broken up with after 10 months (granted, there were other issues - but ones that weren't being addressed healthily by either of us). Through that, I've learned that you gotta put the time into things if you want them to go anywhere. could learn something about that; and everyone else can too.

Do you honestly think the only way how someone could be single is if they were irredeemable garbage - and completely self-inflicted on top of that?

You mad?

This is nu Yea Forums and no amount of revisionism can convince me otherwise.

That was not the point and you know it. Also, got the same reaction even when going to Spain or Italy. Germanic women are just shite and stuck up.

Are you denying the fact that some day you'll be dead and not a single living thing on the planet will even remember the fact that you ever even existed?

>people here who think romance is meritocratic are fucking delusional.
sums up everything really, attraction isn't rational. there's obviously things that help skew it in the one direction or the other, if you're some fat unhygienic slob it is obviously way less likely.
but even if there's objectively nothing wrong with you it' still possible to be unlucky and never have any of them women you want reciprocate (and conversely, fail to feel anything for the women who might be into you).

It's you being like this that you're all alone. Stop pulling out numbers to excuse your lack of will to change anything about yourself.

>i know many stern straight-laced guys
they don't act like that all the time around their spouses, unless they are already in their 30's, chicks don't like card board cut outs of stiff men, at least that is rare, and by the time they look for that, they're past their prime too, or so straight laced they can't keep anyone interesting
>If your scientific model doesn't account for all cases, it's a failed model.
since when is this science? you literally cannot account for everything, only the most of things, intelligence is measured in pattern recognition, which is about finding patterns in things, not in picking up all the stones and labeling them as something unique, for the sake of uniqueness
>I'm pretty sure money works faster with most working girls...
i don't doubt that, but that's a pipe dream to most, and most would just marry and divorce you, since if they're there for your money, its the obvious outcome
>Except for the thousands of people that just act normally and then get ahead like that.
people don't get ahead by being autistic robots that can't adapt and read their surroundings

bahamut

I didn't know we screend users for relationships.

A hot 6'4 could repeat every single thing I've said to a girl and she would respond with "wow you're like so smart, I've never thought of it like that way before but I'm not like other girls we should have sex"

I know. At least I own up to my being choosy.

this user knows, hot dudes are always more funny/smart/charming than their ugly counterparts, even if they say it the same way

Based Reincarnationposter. Seriously, this kind of thinking has helped me avoid offing myself in the past.

>but even if there's objectively nothing wrong with you it's still possible to be unlucky and never have any of them women you want reciprocate (and conversely, fail to feel anything for the women who might be into you).

Fucking this.

But so many men and almost all women are in denial about this. The other person is always "lying", "insecure" or "abusive".

I think they are trying to rationalize their own dumb luck and think better of themselves.

>You check the divorce rate recently, user?
Yes, more than half of marriages are guaranteed to last. If you add a couple of simple parameters parameters (the marriage is first, you are not married in your teens), then it gets far better. Filter a bit more, and you will get a pretty good picture.

Doomposting is a step below incel ramblings.

>this has helped me with offing myself
just talk a lot of long walks and listen to dragon force you pansy

NO MAN can be a constant stoic, leader type with only the right amount of fragility while sporting a killer body and a fortune.

Did social media make modern women expecting too much?

I honestly feel that people are too individual to really learn how to charm them. The one girl might really want you to be super open about everything and talk it out right away while the next one is immediately put off and withdraws because she considers it to be too pushy. And you can't really gauge their reaction without trying.
So the only thing left is to just try till you find one that just happens to fit your own personality by chance.

Obviously there's shit that will put everyone off, but I really don't think romance works like people in these threads seem to assume, where if you just do "the right" things you will succeed.
I'm still friends with one girl who rejected me some years ago and after a while she told me that I never really did everything wrong and looking at it objectively, she should have fallen for me. But she just didn't. Romance doesn't work like that.

>they don't act like that all the time around their spouses
[Citation required].
>you literally cannot account for everything
Mine does. Well, okay, that's a lie. It doesn't account for the mentally insane. But fuck them.
>i don't doubt that, but that's a pipe dream to most
...you're...not a native English speaker, are you? Working Girl is a slang term for a prostitute.
>people don't get ahead by being autistic robots that can't adapt and read their surroundings
Yeah, but your changes and self-adjustment will happen regardless of you attempting to pick up chicks or not. I went through my biggest personality changes AFTER I started dating and sleeping with my ex, not before.

Does the cold harshness of reality hurt your feelings too bad?

i'd say it was normal media, increasing feminization of culture(put the pussy on a pedestal of your a monster) type thinking, and the final nail in the coffin was social media

I don't care if some day, I'll be dead.

For starters, I'm too autistic about the immediate future to really even care about what might happen 20 years from now. Second of all, I'm happy so long as I can make a meaningful difference to people while I'm alive - because I know, deep down, the spirit of my actions will live on in their hearts.

Is that textbook denial? I guess. But fuck it, dying isn't on my schedule any time soon; so why focus on it?

Just like cute young pure virgin girls with other great qualities will not start loving you just because.

>Dale is a squeaky voiced ""faggots""
DO YOU HEAR THE VOICES, TOO!?!!!!?!?

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Nope I've only counted my blessings. Sneeze some more.

Lmao expecting this much as a fantasy in my country is already too much. I just want a girl that is not a trubo slut and has no tattoos or weird body modifications.

Tzeench is my God.

>Do you honestly think the only way how someone could be single is if they were irredeemable garbage - and completely self-inflicted on top of that?
They may also be not interested in relationship (maybe they prefer their job, maybe they prefer being comfy).

True, but then again, girls have to bring something to the table. It is time to flip the stakes again, filth

>But fuck it, dying isn't on my schedule any time soon; so why focus on it?
You don't have to, because you're stupid. Your brain can't handle remembering more than two things at once so any Petty distraction can keep you happy.
>man I'm gonna die some day. No matter what I accomplish it will all be forgotten and meaningless
>OOHHH A BUTTERFLY SO PRETTY. What was i thinking about? Oh whatever
I honestly envy stupid people like you.

I honestly don't know any women past the age of 17 who expect a man like that. It's mostly retarded as fuck guys who lucked out on a relationship and now try to use that to boost their ego sky high who pretend they are like that.

Women don't have a problem with you being emotional either, as long as it's in moderation. If you cry because your pet died, that's okay, you're human. If you lock yourself in for the next 3 weeks and drink yourself stupid over it that's too much. Men might tolerate that in a woman but women won't tolerate that in a man.

>straight-laced guys get chicks too by being straight laced, despite what the girls personality is
[citation needed]
>...you're...not a native English speaker, are you? Working Girl is a slang term for a prostitute.
not where i live, we just call them whores or hos. also don't try to strawman me
>Yeah, but your changes and self-adjustment will happen regardless of you attempting to pick up chicks or not. I went through my biggest personality changes AFTER I started dating and sleeping with my ex, not before.
stop moving goalposts, you said you should be yourself and, i said you should adapt
i also say that you will change after you get out into the world and start interacting with others all the time. if you only started to change AFTER your ex, then you must have still been in hs, or uni during, and not working and having to talk to all sorts

>Yes, more than half of marriages are guaranteed to lose
ftfy

>Then you either misstated your case
No, you are just unable to comprehend the implications. It proves my point.

>Or, shockingly, girls may indeed like things intended for men
They do. If it panders to them - like a lot of battle shounen. Not the majority of harem anime.

>Establishment isn't just "someone offhandedly says a character trait, therefore we must assume it's true"
Opposed to assuming the opposite? Ockhams razor says you're wrong. If people from the show claim someone is average then he's average up to the point where the opposite is stated.

If you are interested in starting family and having children, they bring that possibility. If you are not interested in that, maybe not getting in relationships is OK.

that's a 2D fantasy though, where the only limit is your imagination and you can have whatever you want.
I am pretty certain that the majority of guys in here would gladly take a girl with a somewhat cute face who is not fat and not a harpy, even if she has nothing else to offer on top of that.

>Your brain can't handle remembering more than two things at once so any Petty distraction can keep you happy.
Speak for yourself. I'm balancing like 30 anime and 50 manga in my head, and on top of that I'm fully aware of my encroaching death, and I still have time to plan for when I'm 60 and too old to work anymore.

its more about giving women power in society, goes along with feminization of culture.
remember the greeks wrote the 'assembly of women' for a reason
it was a warning, one that we didn't head

This sort of mentality might actually help.
Women don't like men who would just take any girl, they want to feel special which is why the "badguy who's only nice to me" trope is so popular.

Yeah. Long-lasting relationships are, cringey as it sounds, kind of a mix of hard work; compatibility, and emotional RNG.

There's no 4-step plan; there are some pieces of advice that you can try from time to time, but it's very much dependent on the individual target of your affections. All in all, "be yourself" (while cliche) in conjunction with self-improvement isn't a terribly bad thing to try doing.

>Saying a character is "normal", but then drawing him above average in terms of looks and then having girls sexually assault him is NOT establishing average/below average looks.
Most harem MCs are of average or below average height and comparatively unmanly looking in terms of facial features. Not being ugly does not imply exhibiting traits commonly associated with mal beauty - which harem MCs do not.

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Would you watch an anime if you knew that right after it ended you would completely forget everything that happened in it, as well as forget the fact that the anime even existed at all, and would also never be able to watch it again?

Because that's what death is except instead of one anime it's everything.

>If you lock yourself in for the next 3 weeks and drink yourself stupid over it that's too much. Men might tolerate that in a woman but women won't tolerate that in a man.

How can you ever be in a trusting relationship as a guy when you constantly have to worry about the "right amount of emotional expression"? Where is the trust in that?

Women suck ass. They have all kinds of standards, but the only thing they seem to offer nowadays, is a vagina.

wrong, the height is all by jap standards, so it is normal, the girls are often either jap, or euro standards depending by the anime

>Would you watch an anime if you knew that right after it ended you would completely forget everything that happened in it, as well as forget the fact that the anime even existed at all, and would also never be able to watch it again?
Why not? Fun things are fun.

This has been my mentality for some time, but I am a certified asshole. Not that I care much nowadays. I really cannot be bothered by adjusting myself to standards of women I do not respect and would hate me anyway

on the other hand, I also think it's very understandable when someone who never manages to hit the emotional RNG while doing everything else right would grow bitter over it.
not the kind of bitter where he turns into an asshole but the kind of bitter where he grows disillusioned and stops trying.

>wrong, the height is all by jap standards
Most harem MCs are slightly below average or average in height. Most shoujo love interests on the other hand are way above average.

this user knows, chicks are mind killers, they'll lie to your face about loving you, while getting ready to suck someone elses dick.
and all for petty reasons too

>the girls are often either jap, or euro standards depending by the anime
Do you know how tall North Western European girls are? That is quite some height user

not that user,
the first one shows the difference in standard between men and women, the second one shows a strong correlation between one's looks and personality, the better you look more your personality is found to be nice, although a bit more info on the parameters used to make the graph would be nice

>want to date an attractive girl
>surprised she wants to date an attractive guy and not an ugly one like you
If you want a gf so bad, just date an ugly chick with low self-esteem. You'll be perfect together.

> Oh, I'm so burdened by how much I consciously choose to focus on my own mortality! My life sucks and I have no way to improve it and it doesn't matter because I'm just gonna be a smelly skeleton one day!
I feel sad for you.

As somebody who just recently suffered a death in the family - but has been successful at accepting the inevitability of the situation - I feel very sad that you're struggling with this. I'm being sincere, here. Please call your family and tell them you love them. Your life is worth so much more than you know.

>"be yourself" (while cliche) in conjunction with self-improvement isn't a terribly bad thing to try doing.
The only problem is that people try to pass it off as advice on how to get women.
That's not what it is about, it's just that if you aren't being yourself, the relationship is doomed to fail later on when she finds out what you're really like. Or at the very least it will grow bitter and you only stay together out of habit.

I love these threads. They make me feel so much better about myself.

wish fulfillment nonsense
but its not impossible, a lot of American girls have the yellow fever thanks to kpop or anime
depends on the ethnicity user, you should know that, that's why most chicks in isekai for example, are taller than the mc

Just like women may dream of some dream prince or a 2D bishounen, but will also marry what they can if they want a family. That's also true for everything else: career, wealth, house and so on.

>As said by t thunderchad on his Vietnamese basket weaving forum

>[citation needed]
Source is personal interactions with coworkers. You have to state an argument that they aren't straight-laced while at home and that this is the normative case for them.
>not where i live, we just call them whores or hos.
urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=working girl
Then you don't live in an English-speaking nation.
>also don't try to strawman me
The strawman is more interesting considering you didn't really respond to the previous statement at all.
>stop moving goalposts
I didn't. Literally just talk with them normally until you find one that likes you. Stating you should "adapt" over and over again implies that you should adapt and force a personality specifically for the woman. You should adapt to just living the best life you can on your own terms. But in the meantime, while you're doing that, you should literally just talk normally. That never changes.
>if you only started to change AFTER your ex, then you must have still been in hs, or uni during, and not working and having to talk to all sorts
No, I was out and about and working. Was in college age, but basically a drop out. The problem was that I was just making excuses for my faults instead of addressing them. My ex though wouldn't put up with the faults and would just gently admonish me or ignore my pity party. The thing was that she was also one of the first people I actually respected, so when she started to ignore me is when I finally started to look in on myself and figure out what was wrong. This interaction would have happened regardless if we were fucking or not, and I certainly didn't "adapt" to anything, least of all to get women. I got her by just talking to her normally, despite being ever bit the beta male that Yea Forums would have made me out to be.

>having low self esteem
i'm all for being realistic, but nobody needs a clingy nutcase

>Would you watch an anime if you knew that right after it ended you would completely forget everything that happened in it, as well as forget the fact that the anime even existed at all, and would also never be able to watch it again?
What are my alternatives, here?

I was only really arguing user's point of women expecting extremes. They obviously still have expectations towards you and the "right amount of emotional expression" is something that always fucks me up. I had more than just one girl reject me because I said too little/too much. Really the only thing that helps if you don't want to rely on luck is if you're friends with someone who knows them well and is also willing to give you advice.
Most of the time you end in a relationship it's a team effort anyway, with friends egging you on to talk to her, holding you back when you're about to do something stupid and so on. Love makes you retarded so you need some uninvolved third person to keep you in check sometimes.

>consciously
Get over yourself retard. Would you tell a war veteran with PTSD "just stop thinking about war lol"? Just because you're stupid enough to just not think about any of your problems doesn't mean everyone is. The fact that you don't understand the difference between worrying about someone else's death versus your own death just proves how dumb you are, you don't even realize what the conversation you're trying to have is about.

And every time I think about calling my family to tell them I love them I look down at those scars from the physical abuse they gave me and suddenly have mixed feelings oh, so that Miracle mental cure is also out the window.

Exactly. I almost fell into that pit with my first ex.

Granted, there were mental health issues on both ends that neither of us were even remotely aware of at the time - but, again, knowing yourself is just as important as knowing your partner. To be healthy with someone, you gotta be healthy without someone.

Surprisingly, I found Yea Forums's version of the "tfw no gf, fuck women" thread way more tolerable and constructive than most other big boards'.

Sound advice, but noway I have the mental energy or time to do this.

women are way less likely to settle because they have so many more options, and they didn't have to invest effort into them.
if some guy pursues a girl she's usually his only "target" (dumb word but I can't think of anything better right now) and he'll put some real effort into it so he's willing to take it to the end, even if not everything is as perfect as he'd hope.
the girl only has to say yes or no to his invitations and even if there's nothing objectively wrong with him, she'll still most likely reject him if it doesn't immediately click rather than giving him a chance because she has 5 other people similar to him waiting in line anyway.

Ask them about their interests (assuming you're actually interested in them), and find what else might work, then. You don't have to stick to just those four topics of interest when you're trying to hold a conversation with someone.

so its all from anecdotical evidence, okay.
>Then you don't live in an English-speaking nation.
base bare character assassination, do you really think everyone uses urban dictionary? also in the context of the conversation we were talking about working girls, as in girls that work at a job, as in the girls you are most like to talk too outside of church or your group of friends, how you think we started talking about prostitutes is beyond me.
> implies that you should adapt and force a personality specifically for the woman
no, not for some women, that you should adapt to your social situation, women come along the way, they are not the goal, making them the goal is how you get friendzoned, or even worse, become an orbiter.
>despite being ever bit the beta male that Yea Forums would have made me out to be.
so you were a kid, well that explains that, your brain wasn't fully developed yet, no matter how much you get out, if your brain ain't there yet, you're fucked.

If one girl is pursued by 5 guys, and one guy pursues one girl, then at least 80% of girls will not get any suitors.

>Ask them about their interests
Most men don't even do this basic thing.

I said I wasn't going to respond to you anymore and assume you were a troll, but this line is such good bait that it simply cannot go uncontested.
>Opposed to assuming the opposite? Ockhams razor says you're wrong. If people from the show claim someone is average then he's average up to the point where the opposite is stated.
That's not "Ockhams[sic] razor" you moron. Occam's razor is, fully stated, "Given all outcomes are EQUALLY LIKELY, then the correct outcome is often the most simplest". If the outcome is not equally likely, then Occam's razor doesn't come into play.

Which is more likely to occur?
The author had a character state that someone was an average looking character, but the girls treat him like he's very handsome, call him handsome, and fight over him because the author
1. Has meticulously calculated out each of the girls' behaviors and reactions to an average looking character to correlate this proportionally to the actual attractivness of this charactor
or
2. Is a bad writer.
??????
Miss me with your gay ass reply, I'm done eating your bait.

A lot of these anons sound like clingy nutcases anyway. If they don't want a girl with low self-esteem, then I think they should lower their standards. Attractive people usually flock to other attractive people, and everybody else just has to make do with that and settle for others more their speed.

wrong, girls always have options, since all that is expected of them is not being fat and having a hole
and even then there will be someone that'll take that, as long as she lowers her standards enough, which chicks don't do until its too late

True, but their interests mostly concern themselves with popculture, tv series and music that is the most mainstream thing ever. Any outstanding interest is usually faked when you ask some probing questions about them. Something to make them appear interesting, but is usually just a fake.

Oh most of them do take interest in are, but I do not give much of a fuck about artists after 1950.

>never got past the first couple dates and sometimes some kisses
>girls always told me there's nothing wrong with me though
>but they just don't feel that way about me
pretty sure that at least a couple of them were honest rather than just trying to spare my feelings, too.
so I've kinda given up and only try when I met one I've fallen for immediately, where feelings make me stupid.
it's just a lot of effort that's only ever rewarded with emotional pain so it doesn't feel worth it.

Again, if one girl is pursued by 5 guys, and one guy pursues one girl, then at least 80% of girls will not get any suitors. That's a very simple math.

see my post

>and one guy pursues one girl
Not how it works. Chads have multiple female fuck buddies at all times. These women aren't looking for boyfriends because they are either satisfied just having sex with Chad, or believe they can become his exclusive girl.

So basically, the premise of your average Harem anime he's actually a real thing. But odds are anybody who's in this thread will never be the protagonist.

> war veteran
Don't you compare yourself to a fucking veteran, Christ's sakes.
> stupid enough to just not think about any of your problems
Death isn't presently one of my problems, thank you very much. Furthermore, if your own mortality
is a constant issue in your life, I sincerely ask that you get the help you need.

I'm sorry about your family. I'm sorry that you haven't been able to reconcile with them. I don't know if you're still trying - but hopefully things will get better between you and them with time.

You underestimate hedonists, user. Nihilism is just one of many philosophies. I'd think someone that speaks of history marching on would first know about previous history.

>so its all from anecdotical evidence, okay.
False equivalency. Are you denying there are straight-laced people who have wives and children? That's a far outcry away from stating "all of these straight-laced people for sure act different in private with their spouse for sure". THAT is a bold claim that needs citation, user.
>how you think we started talking about prostitutes is beyond me.
I just literally explained it to you that in English speaking nations, we use that as popular slang for prostitute. Why do you THINK we got onto this subject?
>making them the goal is how you get friendzoned, or even worse, become an orbiter.
Exactly. So don't "adapt". Just talk to them normally. Rule 3 stands.
>so you were a kid, well that explains that, your brain wasn't fully developed yet, no matter how much you get out, if your brain ain't there yet, you're fucked.
Except the problem with this statement is I literally just told you a story of how I got laid before I "became an adult", meaning your rules don't make sense.

that's not what I meant. it wasn't about anyone actually ending up together, it was about the mindset. if you have options to choose from, you are way less likely to go for someone who's alright but not exactly what you were looking for.
because you won't regret letting them go, there's a bunch of others waiting in line who aren't much worse either.

women are much more likely to reject someone over trivialities than men.

It's entirely possible that if you will take a small enough subset of population, you will get harems, reverse harem, polyamorous orgies and other hentai stuff.

And if they don't feel that way about you, that's okay, isn't it? You take your chances in life. And when you find "the one" for you (and I believe you will), that past sorrow will accentuate the joys of having finally found the one you've been looking for.

Virginity isn't everything; and neither is winning on the first try. Take the time you need to recover, and try it again when you get the chance.

I have one girl like that in my circle of friends who's basically the textbook example of that. has one fuckfriend who is honestly out of her league but goes for it as long as there are no strings attached, and also has one super beta orbiter who is willing to be her best girlfriend forever.

she has unreasonably high expectations for men because she's unwilling to compromise, she has all her urges fulfilled at the moment. she gets fucked every now and then, she gets the emotional support and attention she wants - you'd have to be superman to convince her to give that up and go for you.

>Don't you compare yourself to a fucking veteran
Retard. What is it with people and never understanding the point of analogies? THE POINT WAS, you can't just tell a person "hey you know that mental problem you have? Just stop thinking about, lol there you go all cured". You fucking retards ALWAYS get offended because you don't understand the point of an example. A war veteran with PTSD was a clear way to illustrate that you can't just tell a person to get better and expect it to work. It wasn't me personally sayingI think my problems are just as bad. It's an EXAMPLE. Oh why am I even bothering explaining this, this whole conversation is based on the premise that you are stupid to begin with.

And death is not just my problem. Death is literally every single person's problem at all times, most people just don't have the brain capacity to think about it. I wish I could be stupid like you people.

Maybe recommend them some movies. If they don't like any stuff you do I doubt you'd click anyway.
When I ask men what games they're into they also tell me fifa and the most bland normalfag shit. I lose interest immediately.

So, they're basic. They're in Plato's cavern. Don't push your interests onto them - but recommend things to them, send 'em stuff to listen to, and check in with them to see how they liked it or not. Start out with something closer to their interests, and lead them into stuff that hits closer to home for you.

People can learn, and people can change. Bring them to things outside of their sphere of influence, and - just maybe - they'll thank you for it forever.

Again, the number of men and women is almost equal. That means that you just won't get enough men to form lines for every woman. Either those will be basically spammers who try to get some quick sex, or only top women will get many suitors, and the bottom will not get any.

kuso thread

>And if they don't feel that way about you, that's okay, isn't it?
Yes, it's not like I am angry at them for it or anything. It is just that I do not see the point in even trying anymore when the outcome is always the same and it's just pain in exchange for a lot of work.
I'm bitter at life, not at people.

Sure. But mostly it's just harems. Because female hypergamy.

Your premise is fundamentally flawed the way you keep assuming one man can only pursue one woman at a time. If you put five men and five women in a room at the same time, each man could "get in line" so to speak for all five women trying to maximize his chances to get any woman at all.

But because women generally all have the same taste and are driven by hypergamy, all five of them are likely to choose the same one man.

>People can learn, and people can change. Bring them to things outside of their sphere of influence, and - just maybe - they'll thank you for it forever.

Problem is, is that I am not a teenager anymore. Women expect a man; someone who does not need much schooling as is obvious from this thread, but need me to school them? Hmm yeah, sounds fishy. Also, there is such a thing as too basic.

You are right, but I dont meet any interesting chicks in the business (finance and sales) I am in. Not to mention none of them like edgy humor.

Hypergamy is when you want a pure cute waifu (or huzbando) straight out of 2D, while your parameters are quite worse?

It just means marrying up. But it's generally used to describe women's tendency to only want the absolute best man they can possibly get, and their willingness to drop every other men at the drop of a hat for the sake of that one top man, or just a chance with him.

>if some guy pursues a girl she's usually his only "target"
That was the original premise.
>each man could "get in line" so to speak for all five women
So the women will see men getting in line with others and somehow get any respect for them?
>But because women generally all have the same taste and are driven by hypergamy, all five of them are likely to choose the same one man.
Just like men will choose the best woman given the chance (in reality they will be forced to settle for someone on their level, but that's true for both).

>If the outcome is not equally likely, then Occam's razor doesn't come into play.
So you're admitting that they're not even equally likely due to a lack of evidence on your side. This is not helping your side of the argument.

>The author had a character state that someone was an average looking character, but the girls treat him like he's very handsome, call him handsome, and fight over him because the author
Yes, that's the wish-fulfilment part. He is average or even below average rather than handsome and the girls STILL fight over him due to being pure, able to see is "true" (inner) worth, etc. If you can't see that this backs my argument rather than oppose it then you're the idiot.

>So you're admitting that they're not even equally likely due to a lack of evidence on your side. This is not helping your side of the argument.
wut

>tfw the only girl where the feelings were ever mutual is in a relationship and she loves her friend just as much as me so it's still a loss for me
foreverial cucked by life.

Sorry, I'm not the original guy who made that premise. But I guess I disagree with him too then, lots of men pursue multiple women at a time for various reasons. For Chad's, they pursue multiple women just because they like having multiple women to have sex with. For every other guy they pursue multiple women because the odds of succeeding with anyone woman are so low they need to roll the dice multiple times.

And yes, women absolutely don't mind sharing a hot guy. In fact women tend to be more attracted to a guy they know is successful with other women, they're a hive mind like that.