>Fate: Holds off Hercules while Shirou is having a threesome
>UBW: Sacrifices himself, Shirou ends up banging Tohsaka
>Heavens Feel: Cuts his own arm off to save Shirou, which leads to him banging Sakura
Why does he do it? Is he the most based character in the fateverse?
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>EMIYA Archer will never get his wish of being freed from being a slave to Alaya/World
If there was one wish with the Holy Grail that should be granted..
Why did Shirou turn into a melanin enriched gentleman?
He hates himself, but also can't help being his own wingself
If you don't have a wingman, become your wingman.
>Fate: Holds off Hercules while Shirou is having a threesome.
Saber is the only one who had a threesome there.
Punished Emiya. A hero who will never score.
idk people say Archer is an asshole that hates his past self, he did more to help Shirou than to hurt him. How can you not give him props for getting Shirou a threesome at the cost of his own life?
>idk people say Archer is an asshole that hates his past self,
I hate how much of a faggot I used to be too. Doesn't mean I'd leave him to die though. Especially if I have some hero complex.
Well he did try to kill Shirou a few times
yeah but he also died so Shirou could get laid so he more than made up for it
honestly i want a Fate Extra anime with Redman and Hakuno, i just want my boy Archer to finally win one.
The Fate/Extra anime could have been really nice if it was just a straight adaptation of Fate/Extra with Archer and FemHakuno.
honestly at this point i'm just hoping for a remake of Fate Extra thats actually fun to play
As long as they drop the rock-paper-scissors 6 actions per turn combat they could probably do well. For an RPG with only 1 party member, making it into an ARPG is probably the best option.
Do we know how big Emiya's dick is? I'm uhh asking for a friend.
i really want a Fate rpg in the same vein as 7th Stand User, feels like that would work remarkably well
probably bigger than Shirou's
Fate/Grand Order's battle system is actually pretty good for a turn-based RPG and if it was made into a proper game rather than some shitty portable casino, it would be excellent.
Instead of everyone being restricted to 3 skills, give a small cast of Servants a longer list of active/passive skills to use in combat and voila. A working console RPG waiting to be made.
But they're the same person...
Do they ever provide any numbers though?
and yet Archer is taller for some reason
Unfortunately no one wants to go to the effort to make that kind of thing when the japs will spend infinite money on phone slot machines
He is the bone of his sword.
here's hoping that Studio BB actually comes up with something good
Empire of Dirt is doing something similar, though it is fanmade and an eroge
Why does Nasu call Emiya weak when he's mid tier and can best people stronger than him with prep and combat pragmatism?
i honestly think its a mistranslation. His stats are dogshit and there's no arguing in that but everything else about him is top tier.
He is getting his own dick wet though.
He is weak in terms of stats, but stats aren't everything
He still gets his ass handed to him by most of the other servants in the 5th war in a straight-up fight
Archer is so jaded the first thing he says to his own past self is rougly "you suck".
Dude got issues.
he didn't do that well because everyone was familiar to him in Fuyuki and that held him back or changed how he acted. I doubt that Illya would be alive if Archer wasn't connected to her
He's at least in 10 years older, while Shirou us still in high school
Shirou is 18 tho
He's on the last year of school, and he lost a school year because of the fire and his hospital internation
so Shirou grew half a foot even though he was 17?
He grew more thsm half a foot actually. An inch shy of an entire handspan
that makes it even weirder
The boy drinks his milk.
Obviously the characters weren't supposed to be 18 years old. With the addition of the H-scenes they had to age everyone up to 18+.
Why would the World wait for an opportunity to do such a thing to such a selfless and nice guy?
See Rin is 17, Sakura is 16, Taiga is 26, and Illya is 19
I don't remember how it works but 18 isn't even the age of majority in Japan is it?
The point was to sell as many copies as they could. Making an eroge about a bunch of underage teens fucking eachother is probably not going to sell as many copies, sadly.
If he helps Shirou get laid, Archer will have gotten laid
My point is I don't think 18 is that special of an age in Japan, also as points out the girls aren't all 18
So what was with Shirou's vision of himself in Archer colors in HFII anyway? He doesn't know in this so it seemed really out of left field. If anything it's the kind of thing I wish UBW had shown, EMIYA in more of a transitional state between the two we know.
>His reward for being the best wingman is becoming a mom to a bunch of dysfunctional people
it's a callback to Mind Of Steel.
Best servant desusenpai
He's no Lancer but he's still pretty cool
Lancer and Archer should team up and win the war
It has to do with underage sex laws in Japan. Like it varies between provinces, but the highest age is 18, so they went with 18 to not risk problems.
It gets worse when you consider that Waver grew rougly the same, despite starting out as a 19 years old in Zero.
Post archer x rider if it exists
>Why does he do it? Is he the most based character in the fateverse?
Because he's a bitch who turned into a real nigga who became a bitch about being a real nigga
what the fuck is wrong with aging in Nasuverse? Does Nasu not understand how height works or does magic make you taller?
Japanese creatives don't understand anything. Vegeta is the same height and weight as Astolfo. Everything you know is a lie.
faggot
Jeanne weighs less than 100 pounds, Nasu is terrible at numbers
Cant wait for that scene to be animated
How is it possible that a manlet boy with pale skin and orange hair grows up to be a super tall brown skinned man with white hair?
So you want an RPG where Zouken forces you to go back in time to the 5th Grail War to fix the timeline. With different endings depending on how you approach the war and who you summoned as a Servant?
That's retarded user, I love it.
Zouken actually forces you back to win him the HGW, you're actually the bad guy and you have to work for it to be the good guy in the end
Magic fucks you up.
If Archer is so good why isn't there an Emiya 2?
the slight tan works for archer but he basically turns into a black in emiya alter, it looks awful
Thats Emiya Alter user
Archer became a nigger.
He lost 30 IQ points but gained a bbc
>Is he the most based character in the fateverse?
Yeah, everyone's agreed to that ever since the VN came out 15 years ago.
Do you think GARcher posting is some sort of new thing or what?
Well he's certainly not supposed to look good. Astraea compares him to burnt out ashes.
why are americans like this?
You mean Blackmiya?
BUP HO DIDDY BIDDY MOFUGGIN BIX NOOD BLAP BLAP BLAP
stilll doesn't really explain why his hair goes all nappy and he gets a black haircut, and why his lips go all black caricature, it's weird. he looks fucking nothing like shirou unlike archer.
Good thread, I had forgot about the movie. Time to watch it.
why did he even become black tf, he's the only Alter that becomes darker, every other Alter becomes paler. Kerry who's in as bad as shape as Demiya still looks like Emiya, what the fuck was the artist trying to go for?
>Fate: Holds off Hercules while Shirou is having a threesome
His hair's not supposed to be nappy. He just cuts it really short. As for his lips, you'll have to ask Sasaki about it. They're never colored that way again after that, though.
i'd understand if they made him look grey but he just looks dark brown/black it's fucking weird
Well, yes. That's the idea. He's burnt black.
black as in a black person not literally black
Well the in-universe reason is probably that his particular usage of magecraft heavily fucked with his skin pigment.
i just think if they were going that route and were trying to make him look lifeless then grey would've worked better
He's compared to a living corpse but he's not actually a zombie, man.
I know
I mean, it worked for Herc.
Heracles' skin is pretty damn brown, man.
not really
Didn't watch it. How does it change from the game?
Did it follow any route?
yeah really
counter force is a hell of a drug
Kotomine grew a foot too despite being in his thirties in Fate/Zero.
>Fate
Shirou becomes the ideal hero
>UBW
Shirou is still a hero but not retarded so people don't betray him
>HF
Shirou is the hero of Sakura, probably will get confronted by a victim of the shadow incident in the future when Rin slips off
>Mindwiped
Shirou will stay a low level mage for some time until Rin tells him she will take him as an student
>MoS
Shirou dies against Herc or Gil
>Prisma
Shirou becomes a lawyer/doctor by day and vigilante by night
>Miyu
Shirou becomes Archer-lite, will probably marry Sakura after saving her
Sakura's dead. They've made that very clear. She won't be coming back.
They'll just cut it or shoehorn in some random out of place bullshit like they do every ten minutes in the other movies
It's basically entirely different from the game in every way. It just uses the same characters in a really fucked up situation.
The game was a very straight forward tournament: everyone fights 1v1 until there's only one person left. It's set in a shitty fake school, you can go into the dungeon to train your Servant and you level up at the church. Every round you have a few days to scope out your opponent and learn about them.
Pretty sure her situation isn't any different from HF Shirou with the exception of the Berserker card's corruption, which a Rule Breaker should fix. Aren't they in the process of saving Beatrice too?
Angelica is also dead but she comes back as a puppet
There's no Third Magic here.
She's probably gonna die.
It didn't follow the game whatsoever. The game itself was relatively straightforward with some minor twists here and there, but the anime was off the rails from episode one. The plot in general didn't make a lot of sense, at least to me.
If Emiya and Demiya are supposed to look the way they do because of magecraft burning their skin, then
>why does Demiya look like a gentleman from South of the Sahara instead of post-lava Hayden Christensen?
>why does no other magus exhibit these traits?
>There's no Third Magic here.
Hello, Illya?
Illya can't use the Third. In Heaven's Feel, they had to punch a hole into the Root with a massive amount of mana in order to use an incomplete version of the Third.
Also, even if they had the Third, it wouldn't matter. Sakura's soul has already been pretty badly fucked.
>Mindwiped
>Shirou will stay a low level mage for some time until Rin tells him she will take him as an student
I'm 99% sure that in a Shirou gets mindwiped ending, Angry Manjew gets born and then a counter guardian shows up to nuke Fuyuki before 5 billion humans die.
Dissidia's combat would work pretty well for Fate too I think.
>There's no Third Magic here.
The Ainsworths literally place the souls of dead people in puppets. Zouken, Ilya and the Ainsworths' magic (hell, Roa in Tsukihime too for that matter) really all boil down to one thing: Your original body dying is irrelevant as long as your soul gets moved to another vessel.
>Sakura's soul has already been pretty badly fucked.
Yeah, just like in HF. There were some pretty convincing red herrings at a point, but if they had intended to kill her off, it would have been against Miyu and Kuro. There's no point in keeping her around after that from a writing perspective if they're not going to save her.
Like fuckin hell, couldnt they have made a cooler design for an alter than this shit, who approved this?
Soul transference isn't even unique to the Einzberns. We know at least three or four other instances of the technique. Soul transference isn't even remotely true magic.
So third magic is just turning yourself into a lich?
>Emiya's true motive to going back in time is to make sure that his young self can hammer drill pussy.
it's not even an adaptation of the game, it's the sequel to losing the fight against twice
Mind of Steel Shirou wins the HGW
The Third is the materialization of the soul independent of a vessel to anchor into the world. It was temporarily used in HF to preserve Shirou's soul after his body died and move it somewhere else, and aspects of the Third are involved in the Servant summoning system.
look, Nasu just makes shit up to make his characters look cool alright?
You basically turn immortal, kinda, in effect your body becomes obsolete since the soul in nasuverse is where everything important is stored
>>why does no other magus exhibit these traits?
i mean aoko got red hair and sakura got purple hair. maybe because they''re sword
Changes to your body only occur if you use thaumaturgy wrong or otherwise use it too excessively. Sakura originally had the same eye and hair color as Rin.
That sounds like a lich. Only the soul jar is hard as fuck to find.
The version that Illya used was incomplete. The true Third would basically make you a soul with no need for a body. Invincible, immortal.
>dude why doesnt he cockblock himself
Are we going to ignore the fact hes essentially making sure that he gets the poontang in the past? Seems like a good deal to both parties
Don't forget this route
>Shirou without UBW won a war against Herc and Gil
He never realistically tried. There were plenty of times he couldve one shotted shirou through out UBW, but chooses to fight with swords instead, fully knowing the Shirou will inherit his skills.
how does he become a Superhero if he's gets turned to paste by Herc and Gil user? Kinda takes away from the whole Bad End if he doesn't actually end up killing Rin and Illya
Have you considered what 'Bad End' means? Shirou literally had no way to kill Herc or Gil, hell Archer might even kill him since he was too close to Kerry.
so Shirou doesn't actually become a Superhero and his mind of steel shit just lasts him like a day. He just has Rin kill Sakura then just fucks off. Yeah sure, totally makes narrative sense
Makes more sense the shit Kirei said.
Illya already considered Shirou an enemy after he denied her. There was no way he could beat Herc, or Gil later on.
Only fanfic retards who turn Shirou into uber godlike could consider MoS Shirou winning the war.
It's not like killing Sakura at that point made sense in the first place. They placed the decision early because the split between the Sakura and Ilya route was supposed to be there.
>Illya
Is going to be his ally, no matter what.
>Only fanfic retards who turn Shirou into uber godlike could consider MoS Shirou winning the war.
The VN itself is very clear about the outcome though.
how would Illya route even pan out?
Something with Ilya getting kidnapped by Zouken and getting rescued by Shirou and Kotomine, Sakura dying a tragic death, and Ilya letting Shirou choose whether she should wear black or white lingerie for her H-scene.
Who hates themselves more; Shirou or Sakura?
>Is going to be his ally, no matter what
She literally considered turning him into a puppet before. Why would she want to help him after he had shown to be the same kind as Kerry?
>The VN itself is very clear about the outcome though.
Clear on what? Kirei said something about Shirou winning the war and Shirou said he would become a superhero, that's it. No mention of him winning the war like Caster winning the war in one Bad End.
You literally have to make Herc and Gil retarded to make Shirou win.
>Why would she want to help him after he had shown to be the same kind as Kerry?
Because she literally tells him.
Did you even read the VN, at all?
She only told him to be his ally when he wasn't acting like Kerry, did you miss the part where she left him when he told her he would kill Sakura?
He doesn't fuck off, he simply dies horribly like in almost every other bad ending.
>very clear about the outcome though.
All Kotomine said was that Shirou would beat Illya, Rin and Zouken. Even if you assume that Kirei is right, which is a pretty big assumption since Kirei makes mistakes and loses in every route, he deliberately excludes himself and Gil from the list of people that Shirou will defeat. Shirou has no allies and is utterly fucked because he relied on them to be able to win. Without them he's on a suicide mission just like the bad ending in UBW where he rejects Lancer and gets killed by Archer.
doesn't Sakura still become Dark Sakura though? In fact there's a better chance since any hope of being with Shirou is destroyed
Sakura only becomes Dark Sakura is Shirou shows that he loves her since she then has something she cares about and worries about losing, which Zouken can exploit to completely break her.
so he was a Superhero for like less than a day and all he accomplished was putting down Sakura, he didn't he do it himself, he just gave the okay. Tf kinda Superhero even is that? This makes no sense at all with what Kirei and Shirou himself said
Shirou wants to be a hero in practically every bad ending as well. That doesn't stop him from dying horribly in them. Might as well complain that Shirou never became a hero after Illya turned him into her personal totrure doll.
why would Kirei save Illya? I guess he gets the chance to kill Zouken whom he thinks is fucking disgusting but is that really good enough?
difference is that Shirou goes all in with being a Superhero in Mind of Steel, Kirei is completely sure that Shirou will win and Shirou himself says that he didn't need to talk about the obvious outcome, only that he'll become a superhero.
>why would Kirei save Illya?
Spotted the secondary.
underrated
Because he is weak. His highly specialized skills barely allow him to survive against proper servants.
>can take 6 lives from Herc
>can bait Cu into a long fight
>can oneshot Medea
>can oneshot Saber with crane wings
He's pretty strong
>highly specialized
not really, he's probably one of the most versatile servants
I think it does kind of depend on the situation. He's actually pretty good at keeping his enemies on his toes since you never know what he might pull out next. The tournament-style Grail War in EXTRA where you have to gather info on your opponent is probably the most ideal for him, since there's literally no information on him while he can freely research across the seven days. Seven whole days to come up with a counter-strategy pretty much makes it his playground.
he was sniping Cu away in HA, who knew actually using archery and not fucking swords was actually a good idea?
Protection from arrows doesn't work?
Even if we assume that Kotomine isn't wrong or lying, all he said was that Shirou would defeat Rin, Illya and Zouken. Shirou has no Servant, allies or proper magical training to be able to utilize projection so he's completely fucked. And making appeals to protagonist plot armor is pointless, since Shirou dies horribly in almost every bad ending and this is a bad ending.
Saber has more chances to oneshot Archer than Archer does to oneshot Saber. Crane Wing is Archer's ONLY usable trump card against Saber at close range, and even then he needs to get in the right position since it's really finicky. If he's too close, he can't use it since it requires for him to throw his swords, and if he's too far away he'd be better off using his bow. And at any rate, Crane Wing isn't even Archer's best tactic against Saber; sniping from a great distance is.
People who think that Archer can instant-win against Saber just because he has Crane Wing are deluding themselves. Plus it's not even like Crane Wing is an absolute almighty technique that can't be beaten either.
Protection from Arrows doesn't work against shit like Caladbolg (even if he can dodge the arrow, he'll have a harder time dodging the explosion) and Hrunting (it literally follows him).
Crane Wings can be used in a cave so it's not that difficult. How do you even defend against crane wings?
it was out of the range of Protection From Arrows. Cu actually needs to see who's shooting at him for it to work and Archer was camping far away and just sniping anyone that came near him. Shirou needed to use a command seal to beat him
Cu can dodge Caladbog enough to reach Archer. Archer doesn't have enough mana to spam Caladbog as broken phantasm.
Archer does still have a good chance against Saber, pretty sure Nasu said that a fight between them is highly reliant on who their master is
Even sniping isn't that effective against Saber. It only worked in HA because Saber was stuck protecting Shirou and couldn't close in to engage.
>can take 6 lives from Herc
That was really retarded since Archer wasn't able to take a single life from Berserker in UBW when he was distracted by Saber and Archer had the time to fully charge up his Caldabolg and aim properly. The idea that Archer would kill Berseker 6 times when he was in his face and with no time to charge his broken phantasms is pretty ridiculous and just another example of Nasu wanking a character without thinking of how it would work in practice. (Just like when he said that Assassin pushed back Berserker, which he had to recton into Medea using gravity magic to hold him back since Assassin couldn't even scratch him.)
It doesn't matter because in the Nasuverse power levels are irrelevant.
The winner is decided by plot convenience not ability.
>UBW: Sacrifices himself, Shirou ends up banging Tohsaka
Why did you skip the part where he betrayals his master and tries to kill Shirou?
Also no, he isnt based. In fact he is a horrible character, much like his past self.
Shirou is easily the worst thing about the Fate series.
making appeals to the fact that the protagonist said that the outcome was obvious at the very end of Mind of Steel? what are you even on about dude
Well, if Shirou said something then I guess it must be true. I didn't realize that Shirou was omniscient.
I'm re-reading the VN now and fucking hell they weren't even subtle with the sheer amount of hints they drop.
Rin thought Shirou sounded like Archer on the phone
It's easy to forget the details when you focus on the big picture
Only because now you're far more knowledgeable about servants and their summoning.
At that point you probably believe servants are all mythical heroes from the past fit into a class, you don't know about counter guardians and how the throne of heroes actually works.
crane wings back, have good armour like karna or siegfried,
i thought servants were supposed to look more like their mythology, Medusa doesn't look like a disgusting snake person at all
The cave was pretty large. More importantly, the problem is how it works. If Saber's in Archer's face the whole time without giving him room to breathe, he can't use Crane Wing. Saber's faster than Archer, so backing away from her and creating enough distance for it to be effective is going to be difficult.
Nasu also said that the conditions for Archer's victory lie in his long-range sniping, not melee combat. Saber has few counters against sniping since all she can do is hide and defend. She might be able to escape, but closing the distance is difficult without Master support. If she's allowed to use Excalibur, she'd probably win, but if not then her only course of action is to retreat.
If Archer's forced into a close-range fight with Saber, he needs to either use Crane Wing or get wrecked. Saber has many ways to beat Archer in a head-on fight. Archer only has one.
Nah I mean about the jewel.
"Hey what happened to the jewel?"
"Dropped it."
"Ok here it is."
"Oh you went and got it for me!"
nigga he was standing RIGHT THERE and didn't go anywhere.
so why does spamming UBW not work? feels weird that GoB somehow works for that but not UBW
UBW consumes a ton of mana to activate. Once inside, you can spam shit with it like mad, but it still takes a fuckload of mana to use even once.
yeah but Nasu once said that it would be a minor annoyance to most servants which makes no fucking sense at all
I recall that to use crane wings first you throw K&B at the enemy, then when he blocks or parries them you use another pair of K&B to hit him. Then when he blocks your 2nd pair of K&B the 1st pair will fly back to hit his back while exposes his body, you then use the 3rd pair of K&B to oneshot him.
Since Archer was fast enough to replace K&B when Cu disarmed him he should be able to use crane wings against Saber.
I really don't see how you can defend against crane wings unless you can break K&B in one strike or have really good armor. Maybe if you retreat after the 1st pair you can disrupt the combo?
gilgamesh vs lancer took 12 hours. unlimited blade works would not last 12 hours
it's might be because he doesn't have everything unlike gate and he needs to actively sustain it. most of the gate of bablyon kills were through overwhelming foes
How are you gonna throw your swords when the lovechild of a hurricane and a rocket in human form is up in your face rushing the shit out of you? Go ahead and try to throw your swords in that scenario, you'd just get ganked in the split second your unarmed.
Every version of Crane Wing we've seen requires for the user to be a sufficient enough distance away to throw the first set of swords.
Gilgamesh is no melee Servant. When's the last time in any piece of media he's ever bothered going hand-to-hand, 1 on 1 with anyone? Never. He just spams GoB, Enuma Elish or Enkidu.
For any other Servant, they'd get in your face and wouldn't let you even CAST UBW to begin with since it takes a while of Archer standing motionless. Once inside, it's all mainly projectiles. Lancer, for instance, is completely immune to projectiles of all sorts. He needs to be fucked up in melee.
It probably took Gilgamesh 12 hours to finally get off his fat ass and use something with his hands, or he resorted to Enuma Elish like he usually does.
Rin told him to chase after Cu to see if he could find out about Cu's master, then he returned and pretended that he got the pendant from Shirou.
>When's the last time in any piece of media he's ever bothered going hand-to-hand, 1 on 1 with anyone?
fate route, fighting saber?
Against Saber. The most optimal way of using Gate of Babylon is to constantly throw your opponent off their game by having a different weapon in your hand for every strike. Which is what Gilgamesh was doing when he fought Saber.
And after that he asked what happened to Rin's jewel.
But you're supposed to believe he had it in his pocket while asking the question (or if you're perceptive enough, you start questioning the weirdness of Archer's question). It wasn't subtle. I liked it.
Like I said Archer was fast enough to trace new K&B when Cu disarmed him. He should have no problem when Saber rushed to his face after he threw the 1st pair of K&B.
He didn't get disarmed with both swords at once. He had one disarmed, parried with the one he still had while tracing another.
The World literally does not care.
How the fuck is Archer gonna throw his swords when a broadsword is being swung towards his face? When Archer's fighting Saber, he's gonna be stuck on the defensive.
Crane Wing requires for him to throw both his swords at the same time. Not only does the act of throwing the swords create an opening but he's also disarming himself. He needs to be a sufficient enough distance away from Saber to use this technique.
Yeah. Like a lot of techniques, it's situational. Archer has a ton of tools under his belt so he's a damn good Servant but even the best can be caught in situations they can't deal with.
That's why I love Fate/Stay Night. Everything is very well thought out.
he fights Saber one on one. He does pretty well because he kept switching weapons and confusing the shit out of her
Saber needs to parry or block K&B when he throws them, that's enough time to trace the 2nd pair.
>minor annoyance to most servants which makes no fucking sense at all
All UBW does is give quick access to weapons, and to a servant accustomed to armed combat, it changes nothing.
Okay, you don't seem to get it. Have you ever been in a fist fight with someone? You're basically in each other's face. Throwing shit in that situation is not fucking easy. Saber's combat style basically gets her up close and personal with you. Generally, she doesn't give you an inch. So let me ask you this: while Saber is constantly unleashing a stream of attacks on Archer, any of which could kill him in a single strike, how the fuck is he going to throw his swords? He needs those swords to block Saber's attacks.
HF Shirou also blocked and parried attack from Saber alter 30 times or so before using crane wings.
In Fate Saber vs Cu when Cu retreated she didn't pursuit him.
Saber and Archer could fall into the same circumstance when Archer retreated a little, threw K&B, Saber then blocked them and got tangled into crane wings.
how strong would Cu be in Ireland?
>HF Shirou also blocked and parried attack from Saber alter 30 times or so before using crane wings.
And in that situation, the slightest slip-up could have gotten him killed at any time. I mean, fuck, if Archer can beat anyone with Crane Wing, why the fuck doesn't he bust it out on the first fucking turn? Do you actually believe that Crane Wing is an invincible super-move that can insta-win any encounter without issue? Are you fucking insane?
>In Fate Saber vs Cu when Cu retreated she didn't pursuit him.
Cu Chulainn is faster than Saber and has Disengage. Saber is faster than Archer.
Sword magic burns a bit
Basically Hercules but with magic
>can take 6 lives from Herc
Well, Herc has 12, so it doesn't matter.
>can bait Cu into a long fight
The fight wasn't very long and Cu was only toying with him
>can oneshot Saber with crane wings
No, he can't. Shirou caught blacked Saber by surprise, while she phoned in, and even then she survived. If it were Archer vs regular Saber, it wouldn't work at all.
Berserk Herc or Archer Herc?
Crane Wings is like Tsubame Gaeshi, it will kill you if you can't dodge/block it. That's how I see it. Obviously if you're strong enough to break K&B in one strike then crane wings doesn't work on you.
>Saber is faster than Archer
Both of them have agility C
>a minor annoyance to most servants
He never said that. The point was that UBW can't allow Shirou to compete with a Servant who has mastered his weapon, which Gil hasn't.
Agility is only a measure of how agile and dexterous you are. Saber's Mana Burst turns her into a human rocket. And even Tsubame Gaeshi is can be dodged if both the attacker and the target aren't on optimal footing. As Saber showed.
And that's the core issue: Archer can't just fucking pop out Crane Wing whenever he fucking wants. Shirou was able to get Saber Alter and himself into the optimal conditions for it to work, but he can't just use it when Saber's jetting around like a goddamn rocket or launching a flurry of attacks at right in his face.
Well Gil did beat Saber who had mastered Excalibur. Shirou could do the same thing if he traced different np and fired them.
Gil is way stronger than Archer. GoB is way more powerful than UBW. Gil doesn't need to trace weapons, he simply shoots them out.
>he's the only Alter that becomes darker
Okita
Both of them have agility C so more or less same speed. Not that speed alone completely dictates the outcome of the fight, seeing that Saber could keep up with agility A Herc. It is entirely possible for Archer to set up crane wings against Saber.
Saber never dodged a complete Tsubame Gaeshi. She either dodged the incomplete one (2 hit) or the one after Kojiro katana was bended.
Archer also has the Mind Eye or something which could give him the possibility to pull crane wings against Saber. Of course it's not like he instantly used it, like his fight against Cu he would use it after making sure it would work against Saber.
How did Shirou manage to reach Saber in End of The Dream?
How old is he by that point, even?
The problem isn't whether she can dodge Tsubame Gaeshi or Crane Wing, the problem is whether she'd be in the optimal place for it to be effective at all. Even fucking Kojiro can't just pop out Tsubame Gaeshi whenever he wants. That technique has an extremely clear and defined area of effectiveness. Same with Crane Wing. Also, Kanshou and Bakuya don't have any inherent homing properties other than their inherent magnetism towards each other, so that first throw has to be fucking perfect. If she's not actually within the thrown K&B's circle, it's meaningless. Unlike with Hurnting, Archer can't change their trajectory mid-flight.
>Why does he do it? Is he the most based character in the fateverse?
>GAR wasn't created for GARcher like 15yrs ago
Wewww not sure if kiddo or just megaslowpoke.
Some people seem to think that he would be close to the age of Archer.
Fate mythology differs slighty from the one in our universe(see seiba and UmU)
But the search should take an infinity.
Though he probably found some immortality sword.
Not as cool, basically Merlin was a bro and brought Shirou to Avalon apparently.
Merlin created some sort of condition. Basically, Saber had to wait forever and Shirou had to seek forever, even if they both know it to be impossible. Like imagine that your dream is to reach a distant star. Naturally, you know it's impossible, but in spite of that, you still reach out towards it without cease. You never stop reaching even until the day you die. That's the condition set for Saber and Shirou. They have to both acknowledge that it's impossible but still wait/seek for it. In the case of Saber, it must have been even more painful since what she wanted was very clear to her. In the case of Shirou, he didn't really know what he was looking for, but he just kept walking and reaching towards it until the day he died.
Once those two absurd conditions are met, Merlin's little trick apparently worked out.
Well, in theory, it doesn't really seem that strange if you think about it. We don't actually even know how Merlin and Saber reached Avalon either. Like, we understand WHY it happened, but the actual mechanics for it have never been laid out. But since two people managed to make it there, in theory, there's no reason a third can't.
But Merlin leaves and lets Shirou and Saber fuck for eternity, right?
Merlin can't leave. He's trapped there in his tower.
Wow that would be fucking awkward for him to be in a place with two people who just fuck forever and ever. Merlin is the third wheel for eternity in Avalon. Poor bastard. I know almost nothing about his character
Dude can just project a body wherever and whenever he wants with Independent Manifestation.
You can continue growing until 25.
Yeah, but he'd still be there. Watching.
well he's half incubus that feeds on emotions and he says that he has an inhuman mindset that can't properly like individual humans but he still likes humanity as a whole. oh and the last time they met they conffesed their love to each other even though neither really understood it so
Merlin likes to watch.
If Archer tried to snipe Illya just think of what Hercules would do. Even in his madness he’d probably drop what he’s doing, block the arrows and proceed to yeet Archer. He definitely can do it between being the super unstoppable force and the sixth sense bullshit of Eye of the Mind False.
Come on dude, he just wanted to make him dark skinned. You guys gotta stop taking these magical explanations so seriously.
wasn't it just Arturia saying she maybe possibly had something like romantic feelings for him but he paid no attention to it?
They’re probably just wraiths of those people user. It’s not much different from making something like Len. Although I suppose the original left over ghost imprint isn’t diluted by cat in the case of puppets.
She said that "Maybe what I feel towards you is romantic attraction", but Merlin claims that wasn't it.
I want a series about Counter-Guardian Saber teaming up across the eons with Archer.
More than that he can use his rune shield that he used against the Shadow that’s called great NP tier in the VN.
As for seeing Archer if he’s serious Cu can clairvoyance rune. Even if he’s mainly shitposting he’s the Archer counter and one of the fastest servants period.
Where's my thousands years old lobsters?
right it's been i while since i listened to it but is right
she thanks merlin for accompanying her and says "Maybe what I feel towards you is romantic attraction"
He doesn't sound interested at all. Like he barely evens understands what love could be.
Saber isn't a counter guardian, she's headed to Avalon. According to Kinoko she isn't even recorded in the throne thanks to this, because she hasn't "died". I'm not sure how this squares with FGO, though.
Saber has never actually appeared in anything outside of events, though Alter has. APPARENTLY, Alter is actually recorded in the Throne. Dunno how that works out, but whatever.
According to her bio, Saber isn't actually a Heroic Spirit, but a "different category of guardian".
not really actually, its pretty comfy for him. He trapped himself on purpose cause he felt bad for what happened to Saber so this was a way to punish himself. He can still walk in on dreams and project himself to places which is fun enough for him, also he doesn't really have human emotion so what might suck for us might not even register for him. He also did some time fuckery in FGO that allowed himself to be summoned
The problem then is that events are canon.
>Alter is actually recorded in the Throne
well i guess it happened in heaven's feel?
Events are pseudo-canon. Do recall that Arcueid's appearance in Fate/EXTRA isn't canon, yet apparently she still affects the story.
I want to see Tin Man Shirou
You can't. That image isn't even accurate. Upon arriving in Avalon, Shirou is restored to his teenage form. You can tell based on his voice. That isn't Suwabe's voice.
to be fair, neither did Artoria. Merlin doesn't have feelings but he knows how women act when they're infatuated, he is a bit of a womanizer. If he brushes it off then it probably isn't romantic
>Fate: Holds off Hercules while Shirou is having a threesome
Haven't seen fate, how does this happend?
But our FGO Artoria isn't contaminated with Angry Manjew's anger unlike HF Artoria, she's just not an idealist anymore or something.
i just want Last Episode to be animated, i want Saber to be happy and for Shirou to be in Avalon with his swordwaifu forever
We KNOW how Saber acts when she's in love. She clearly wasn't in love with Merlin. The fact that she can calmly say "Hey, maybe my feelings towards you are romantic in nature" clearly means she's not actually in love. She has no idea what it means to fall in love so she's just speculating.
In the FSN timeline, Saber doesn't become a counter guardian. That doesn't mean she doesn't in every timeline.
yeah thats the weirdest thing, like in the actual myth Avalon was an island that Morgan Le Fay takes Arthur too after the final battle. Maybe Morgan actually has an important role when it comes to Avalon in Fate? We still haven't seen her yet despite being an extremely important figure
Vigilante Shirou story when?
Why won't they milk his Hero of Justice days
Avalon is the land of fairies and Morgan is part fairy. She's the dark counterpart to Vivian of the Lake.
do you guys ever want Avalon to be fully explained? i don't cause it kinda ruins the magic i guess
>when your so good at fighting that you temporarily awoke Hercule from madness and appreciate your fight
I'm GAR for Archa
I want most of Fate to be retconned away, to be honest.
is Fate Morgan the same as she is in her myths?
i mean her fgo chara info says "corrupted by the curse of the Holy Grail" but it also says "perhaps this is the true nature of the "ideal king" that king arthur sought to be" so...
It's outright stated that while Excalibur is normally associated with Vivian, Excalibur Morgan is named so explicitly due to its association with Morgan.
really? like what
okay so she's still evil to her very end then instead of stopping and taking Arthur to Avalon
Honestly, some of the lore seems to kind of imply that Vivian harbors some sort of twisted love towards Saber.
well we don't know that much as she hasn't made a personal apearance yet but this is one of her kids
i'm looking it up, it honestly sounds like she was bipolar. Kay couldn't even understand what was wrong with her.
I mean, shit, look at her kids. All her kids fucking love Saber. She couldn't raise a single kid to truly hate Saber. And then at some point she hypnotizes Saber and rather than kill her, gives her a fucking handjob on the magic penis that Merlin snuck on her and steals her spunk. And then used that spunk to create a daughter between the two of them. Like who the fuck even does that? You fucking hypnotize your archnemesis and she's pretty much putty in your hands, yet instead of KILLING her, you GIVE HER A HANDJOB AND HAVE HER CHILD.
she needed a "legitimate" heir to the throne that would hate saber and be loyal to her which really didn't work out. also evil casters find saber sexy
That's clearly some sort of excuse considering she told Mordred to never reveal her face.
wasn't that "until the time was right" though?
> idk people say Archer is an asshole that hates his past self, he did more to help Shirou than to hurt him.
I thought that was the point of his whole argument against himself. Shirou Emiya wants to save people to the point of selfdestruction. Even if it's going against his best interests. Because that is the only thing he feels good about and can't really help it. Sounds like Jesus but the way Archer sperged about it is like he questions the value of this self sacrifice if the person who sacrifice himself don't really CHOOSE to do it.
I don't know how to explain it but that scene with Ayako in the first half of UBW really pinpointed it. She noticed that Shirou doesn't really enjoy anything and he went full PTSD on her.
Also I think there is a parallel with Kotomine here. Because of his Open Wound Origin the priest can only really enjoy things if they spiced with suffering of his fellow human. FZ Kirei, being the man of God, really don't like that but in the end can't help himself because that's really the only thing he can enjoy.
The difference of course is Stay Night Kirei is honest with himself unlike Shirou. So Archer being WOKE tries to open his eyes.
Thought to this day I don't understand how come Shirou won their little debate. Anime version with drawing Excalibur from the stone and memory of Kiritsugu's last words made me think that Shirou reminded Archer that a lot of people shared in their dream and Archer being in Counter Force doesn't mean the dream itself is wrong, delusional or that no one else trying to make it real.
Except, if I am not mistaken, Counter Force attacks anyone who threatens Human Order even if the change itself if positive.
%%Also how come Einnashe is in new episode of Waiver anime? I though Ancestors cant exist in Fate Universe because Alaya is Stronger that Gaya there or something.%%
Dead Apostle Ancestors don't exist, but superior Dead Apostles do. Basically, the main difference is that there's no catalogue of the twenty-seven top DAs in Fateworld. Also, many of them are weaker than they would be in Tsukiworld.
Foolish OP. You don't realize that he's already done all three of those, multiple times, in alternate timelines. He is the gigachad, and the only character capable and worthy of a true harem ending.
There is an interview with Nasu where he talked about that Takeuchi really liked the idea of an Altered EMIYA. Nasu told him it was stupid because an EMIYA Alter goes against everything the character is but it went through anyway
I am GAY for Archer.
Die in a hellfire.
White, please.
It is, but it's pretty easy to interpret it as lousy wording and Archer being weird. It's also rather difficult to make the connection if you don't know about it beforehand.
They've literally combined the two ideas into one, see So HF is canon for Saber Alter but it's now treated as a likely outcome due to Saber's ideals.
So basically the Angry Manjew shit just exposed what was always a possibility for Saber anyway. Though her FSN profile says she's always having to restrain her anger and hate or whatever that was a result of the Grail curse, which sounds kinda reminiscent of what Jeanne Alter was talking about in Shinjuku as a hate impulse that drives all Avengers, but obviously FGO Saber Alter doesn't suffer from that. I guess it's not an integral part of her spirit origin or anything, just manjew shit that doesn't persist after being recorded in the throne?
Still, FGO Saber Alter is described as still the same person as OG Saber in the fundamentals, goals and ideal. She doesn't really seem like the kind of person who would help try to release angry manjew and risk killing the whole planet for no reason.
This, in some Bad End she would become CG and the Throne only needs to record her once to make her there forever
Supposedly those red lines over her armor are because of Manjew's corruption because she doesn't have them in F/HA.
>porn Shirou
>gay Shirou
>Kotomine Shirou
>black Shirou
>bara Shirou
Jeez this sword nerd has more incarnations than I remembered. But I guess if Seibah can get a new alter every few weeks, why not Shirou.
Sakura, part of the reason why Emiya abandons his ideals.
Still autistic as usual Emiya.
...and black. That should at least give him a couple of extra inches.
shiro is a shitty mage
How is picrelated still fucking alive
I started suspecting it when they explain how
the throne of heroes works outside of the boundaries of time towards the end of the Fate route.
>no one knows who he is, so probably from the future
>Shirou wants to be a hero
>Shirou was also part of the archery club and was said to be very good at it
>at the beginning, they suspect Archer knew Saber because he hesitated
It's makeup, bro.
Wait. Wasnt vivian in love with merlin and the reason for trapping him
>tfw imagined that pic with Titoria instead of stock Saber
Anons...
My only issue with Archer vs Berserker is why he can't kill him the 12 times instead of just 6, even if we ignore the Caliburn multikill (Archer is supped to be from a Fate route where he couldn't save Saber, that means he had to project Caliburn from Saber dreams to survive that route) Archer can deploy UBW and spam A-Rank Phantasms or B-Rank Broken Phantasms and completely destroy Berserker especially since it has a faster fire rate than GoB and if Rin has mana to supply to Shirou's UBW and Saber at the same time she sure has mana for Archer's UBW alone.
>LN and anime adaptation of Shirou's days as a hero of justice
>Written by Urobutcher
Please fund it
This image is heresy. Implying anyone stare at those tits while looking into those beautiful eyes.
Emiya fights Hercules off-screen (and somehow takes FIVE lives without using UBW) to give Shirou time to give Saber mana via sex, Tohsaka joins in to make them more willing to bang.
Black magic.
>Emiya either has 5 A Rank or above weapons that can each pierce Herc's Armor and take a life, or one that can kill him 5 times over
And people say he can't solo the war
Can you link that interview?
Yeah, with a competent master and prerp time for planning he could easily win a HGW. Rule Breaker especially would come in handy.
Takeuchi really is the biggest plague on Fate isn't he?
>Rhino noses
>Sameface that caused the Saberface Plague
>Lazy
>Forces guest artists in FGO to comply to his whims
>Supposedly was in cahoots with Delight Works to make the SSR rates the dreadful 1% we know and loathe despite Nasu wanting it higher
I don't think he can spam broken phantasms, we only see him using them by manually overcharging them by firing single NP at a time. Also Berserker isn't just standing there waiting for Archer to kill him 12 times, but is far superior to him in physical stats. And Archer would never target Ilya like Gil did, so Berserker wasn't limited in ways he could fight.
I think instead of spamming broken phantasms, it's more likely Archer just copied a few nps that heroes with A rank strength or something used, letting him pierce through godhand at a much cheaper mana cost.
Just make the fucking Fate/Emiya prequel movies you cowards!
Which ending was this one?
he spent years killing terrorists in the middle east
Archer's summoning was fucked as well, it wouldn't surprise me if he got gimped because of it.
It wasn't seen that way when this came out in 2004. Reading it now, you can look for hints, back then, you just think Archer is this cool guy
Archer can only trace weapons he has personally seen. How many heroes with A-rank sword type noble phantasms do you think a 21st century dude has met? He can't just pull excaliburs out of his ass at will
One of the bad ends when you lose to caster, she chops up Shirou and uses his as a projection wand
He's a servant with thousands of noble phantasms by the time of the 5th hgw, he probably got many of those while working as a cg and it wouldn't be that unlikely that 6 of them were being used by heroic spirits with A rank strength.
He'd also had enough experience with it to compare Gae Bolg to Gungnir. Being a magical terrorist and then a counter-guardian exposes you to some real shit.
Shirou is a terrible mage, so every time he uses Trace, his magical circuits begin to burn. Over time this caused his skin to tan and his hair to turn white.
bruh
Hard to believe she's a milf trophy wife by now
He's also from route similar to Fate where Shirou had seen a lot of Gil's treasures so he had seen them too.
FGO Arcade is a thing.
All Medea wanted was someone to love her
>images you can hear
Berserker is fast as fuck. He's not going to patiently wait for Archer to cast UBW and then stand by while Archer spends minutes charging up NPs to use as broken phantasms. In the time Archer needs to activate UBW Berserker can kill him dozens of times.
pretty sure Archer didn't use UBW, he just spammed Broken Phantasms. Also he didn't aim for Illya even though that easily could've won him the fight or forced Berserker to take the brunt of the hits
Rin was actually fucking retarded. She thought the best idea for a fucking Archer servant was to walk around like an idiot and see if they walk into someone instead of camping and sniping anyone that tries to hunt them down
people also forget that Illya is as bad if not worse than Shinji and turned Shirou into a personal fuck/torture doll. Illya raping Shirou was supposed to be a bad end
Men can't be raped, what are you talking about user?
Fuck Sakurafags.
The fact that reads like nasu's writing making it better then it deserves to be.
More like it reads like TakaJun's shitty ESL translation.
