What's the meaning of the last scene of End of Evangelion?

What's the meaning of the last scene of End of Evangelion?

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I read from somewhere (and it's in no way confirmed) that it's supposed to represent the two characters overcoming their big hang-ups; Shinji getting rejected, because he feared rejection from others, and asuka learning to accept someone (with the face caress thing) since she always pushed people away. I really don't know, user

The meaning is that Rei is pure dog shit and that’s the reason why she died at the end while Asuka lives and wins the MCbowl. Rei a shit. A SHIT.

>What is the most obtuse and opaque narrative element I can insert right here so decades later people ask what the meaning of it was?

It's just a retelling that despite pain and rejection existing in the world (the choke), that understanding and acceptance can also shine through (Asuka counter arguing with the caress). It's bittersweet yet hopeful.

Shinji rejecting Instrumentality and going back to a world where rejection and pain exist is important and character growth. It shows us that, by choosing to go back to this world, he feared rejection and pain but decided that he must face that fear.
The caress shows that Asuka has grew also. She would reject, yell at and belittle Shinji out of fear of him getting to close to her (even though this is what she wanted, she was conflicted about it), making Shinji's own accusations against her in Instrumentality true, just as her's towards him were true. The caress shows that she learned that she has to stop pushing people away and instead learn to accept them into her heart.

Trying to explain why Shinji or Asuka did the actions they did in the last scene any further is hopeless because it is purposefully ambiguous and there are tons of different interpretations. The only thing that matters truly is that they both chose to reject Instrumentality and that there is hope for both of them to find joy and happiness within themselves and each other if they choose to pursue it. At least I think.

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Also, I subscribe to the interpretation that he choked her to confirm that pain and rejection exist in the world he is living in, to confirm the choice he made of returning is real and not another dream. But then again who knows, it's more symbolic and thematic than anything and trying to argue about literal reasons they did these things will never get anywhere. I doubt even Anno knows.

Pee pee poo poo

Does anyone else get their bodies back other than Asuka and Shinji? I think so, but a lot of people think they are dead forever and Asuka and Shinji are the new Adam and Eve (in a Christian sense) or something like that.

Shinji didnt know if he was still in some sort of mental dream. Since we can see a marker with Misatos cross that has rust on it, for all we know its been awhile since Shinji was back on Earth alone. If Asuka allowed Shinji to kill him it would show him that hes still in a Instrumentality world where no one feels anything. Asuka not only proves to him that hes in the real world but brings him to tears since she shows a sign of compassion with her caress.

They can if they find the will to live. But nobody knows how many people will come back, when they will come back, who will come back or even if anybody else will find that will, although it is more likely than not. For the foreseeable future it's only them two

Wee wee poopey hole

Shinji revealed himself to Asuka, and she did too, thus removing their AT fields, however beautiful or ugly it may seem.

Time out, iTodlers.

you time out poo poo face haha

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Try using your brain and come up with your own answer, it is not like it is surrealism or something.
All you’ll get from Yea Forums is head canon that have been brewed for years in circle jerk discussions.

Good response

>What's the meaning of the last scene of End of Evangelion?

It means "Asuka a shit."

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Replace all 3 w nut and protect

But there's no reason to protect Worst Girl Asuka, user.

nice dubs but thats a shit opinion

But also a correct opinion.

Rei > Asuka

>Rei > Asuka
Correct.
>but Misato > Rei

Have sex

EXCUSE ME...
WHAT!!?????

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I’ve always wondered—assuming the majority of humanity returns to Earth, how would humanity survive level of ecological devastation in EoE? Is any infrastructure left? Is life in the ocean the same as it was?

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I think that the physical and ecological devastation only really happened in Japan and Asia
US and EU infrastructure should still be standing.

The card game Gainax made says Shinji chokes her to feel himself in relation to an other. He had been alone for a while too. Asuka caresses Shinjis face because she now accepts him and herself and the last line is about him jerking it to her in the hospital.

I believe that the point is to show that they they will have to deal with their own shit with their will to live

>im jerking it to her in the hospital.
This still perplexes me. After all of she went through, why would she say that specifically in relation to him wacking off over her? It seems to me that should be the last thing on her mind? I'm sure it is part of the blob in her mind about things she feels disgust towards, but I would imagine the state of the world, what she went through, and especially Shinji crying like a weak child after her caress instead of returning some gesture of affection himself to be part of it too.

I don't know man, shit's too hard to read.

She got to see it in detail during instrumentality, as she took a peek into his mind. That was one of the very last interactions she had with him, so she should remember.

Miyamura:
I had been thinking directors should convey their ideal how the show shold be to us. But Anno pitches us questions such as "What do you think for yourself if things went on such and such ways to you?" After recording all lines of the movie, I was called to the studio because the final line needed to be revised. Ogata came there too as it was Asuka and Shinji's scene. Asuka's final line was "Anta nankani korosareru nowa mappira yo!" in the film scenario. Anno didn't live with my line no matter how many times I tried. Ogata and I were at a loss how we should play what Anno wanted to express; she even tried to ride on me and choke me to meet his demand. He must have been pursuing reality. Concerning the final line we adopted, I'm not sure whether I should say about it in fact. At last Anno asked me "Miyamura, just imagine you are sleeping in your bed and a stranger sneaks into your room. He can rape you anytime as you are asleep but he doesn't. Instead, he masturbates looking at you, when you wake up and know what he did to you. What do you think you would say?" I had been thinking he was a strange man, but at that moment I felt disgusting. So I told him that I thought "Disgusting". And then he sighed and said "... thought as much." He said. " I thought as much. "

Yeah.. Didnt she also say she knew this wasnt the first time he did it too?

I think people make too much of it. I think the only meaning behind it is that Shinji will have to deal with his previous actions and that not everything is perfect.

The thing that gets me mad is how Anno gets that answer. He asks the VA what she would feel if she met a strange guy who could rape her while she sleeps but instead jerks off. It doesn't describe Shinji in an honest way. He was her friend and mentioning he could rape her is not necessary. I just hate that the fact Shinji hated himself because of it is overlooked

Yeah, we are also shown a flashback to that scene

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What about her entire 3 or 4 exchanges with him during 3I though? On top of that she seemed rather forgiving of it on the train scene as long as Shinji manned up and actually tried to care for her (which he doesn't).

It seems much more likely that it's more about the total of Shinji's selfish actions in the end with her rather than just that one, such as trying to use her as a crutch and begging her for help when she too is in desperate need of it. Which is masturbatory behavior, I guess. Ah fuck it idk

Someone post the image where she's pregnant you know the one

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Based, thank you

Agreed, come to think of it it is kind of fucking weird. It's a very dishonest equivalent to what Shinji actually does.

You're welcome

>I thought as much
I would be more like "WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING HERE WHY IS YOUR DICK OUT AHHHHHHHHH"

Yeah. He could have just asked her what she thinks Asuka would say after all she's been through with him. He fucked shinji over with that comparison. Ah well, I think they'll get over it anyway. They need to be together for a while and now are open to change and some love. Asuka did show him some affection after all.

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I think this theory is right because they wear these same clothes during the choking scene when instrumentality starts.

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To me it's (even more) weird because - what, should I be grateful that this rapist didn't rape me, only jacked off on me?

Anno seems sad about it. Was he expecting something besides sadness, confusion, or contempt? I mean, for me at least, the most I'd be if a known rapist just jacked off on me instead of raped me would is relieved. "Well at least he didn't rape me."

Yeah I think the ending is hopeful for the two of them to grow and understand each other better, whatever the end result of that may be. They only have each other for the foreseeable future, and they need each other to not only stay sane but have a person to compare themselves to so they can have some form of individuality.
Now that they have the capability to learn to love themselves, Asuka can stop projecting her self-hatred and Shinji can finally learn to face his fears. They'll have to work hard to find happiness with each other but it's something they already chose to be worth it.

But...why?

So did Lilith as an individual die? What was the purpose of having Rei show up as a vision for the last few moments? Was it an illusion or actually her?

I think people are too fucking into their "psychological development." Fucking Jeffrey Epstein was doing Yoga and trying to find his center while raping 12 year olds.

Yeah I don't know what Anno was expecting? Disgust sums it up quite well but that entire situation is such a small part for what Asuka should realistically be feeling at the moment. Trying to compare how one would feel after realizing somebody jacked off to you versus everything that happens in EoE just seems very strange and unfair.

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>What's the meaning of the last scene of End of Evangelion?
Asuka is Lilith and the new humankind is doomed from the start.
Not that's anything wrong with that, just meaning that Shinji was a fag that couldn't stand a real girl.

She wanted her, but couldn't be confortable around her.

And Asuka had her issues, too, of course.

tl;dr: Humanity is fucked.

Especially when she was fine about it earlier.

>She wanted her
He*

4 legs.

>20 years

Ya know thinking about it more, comparing Shinji to a stranger is extremely dishonest.
To Asuka, Shinji was a friend and rival, a person she simultaneously longed for yet wanted to keep at a distance. She was lonely and wanted his affection, but couldn't openly admit that to herself or him and so hoped that he would 'man up' and force her ego down while also pushing him away.

When he wacks off to her, I would expect her to feel a mix of anger and sadness more than disgust. The guy she wanted to help her and show affection only does so when she is completely comatose and devoid of any agency, when she isn't actually 'there' to get the validation and warmth from that affection because he is too afraid to stand up and face the possibility of rejection. Instead Anno compares him to a faceless stranger that Miyamura never encountered before and has no connection to. It's so stupid.

Asukafags are mad that even Anno said Asuka would see Shinji as a disgusting creep.
Both Anno and Miyamura BTFO their ship.

delete this

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I think he just wanted to set the tone he was going for. He didnt want a more optimistic line. He wanted to keep it ambiguous as to what their relationship will be now

If that was the case he wouldn't have made the original line: "I'll never let someone like you kill me!"

i think you just taking the whole thing too literally and taking it like its part of the narrative itself when its just a meaningless behind the scenes anecdote

That's the same type of line. It still has hostility in it. By point is that it makes it hard to interpret since Asuka shows affection to Shinji a second earlier.

That's a lie though

Kaworufag is just baiting. You can tell it's her because she cares what the VA says

I think the line fits perfectly in the context of the show and everything that just happened, including Shinji's reaction to her kindness, it was just a weird way to get to it. It really doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things, the thing that irks me is that whenever discussion about the 'meaning' of it arises people point out Shinji's masturbation as the sole reason for it because of that snippet. To me, it would make much more sense if it encompassed not only that, but all of his other weak actions, her reaction to her own kindness and the general state of the world as opposed to singularly wack off time.

The meaning is that Anno is a fat baby

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the vast majority of 'explanations' for that scene you see posted and repeated on Yea Forums are completely reductive and miyopic in that same way, it's a shame

Give us your interpretation then, dick

>shinji is a girl now

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if you watch evangelion you will find crossdressing is not a new thing in the franchise

It's like Kaworu is a harem MC and they're all his maid sluts

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>Kaworu not being only faggot
Keep dreaming

Was that post supposed to be English?

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>Lots of speculation from everyone!
I have to credit Anno with more ingenuousness than Bioware. At worst he was probably unsure of what it meant himself.

Supposed to be, yes.

What a disturbingly specific fetish...

Kaworu is an angel, I don't think his sexuality is comparable to a normal human, if it even exists

The internet's got everything.

No, no he's definitely a faggot user

I kind of like this video

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5 vaganias

That's just you projecting your dicklust onto him

Why is Kaworu not allowed to dress as a maid?

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