Piracy takes away sales

"Piracy" is just a very efficient public library system.

>snap

>Otoyomegatari

Rip.

there are tons of untranslated material from japan and people waste time translating already licensed manga

This. Having fun isn't hard when you got a piracy card!

Reminder that piracy can't be equated to a lost sale. Someone pirating something doesn't mean they would buy it they couldn't. Every study trying to find evidence to the contrary always returns empty-handed.

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Pretty sure you meant to say GNO/Lunix.

every single study ever made for any medium proves that piracy actually boosts sales.

the jews don't care though, and keep spreading lies as always.

I've never once bought anime or manga and I never will. There is no sale to lose because I ain't buying that shit in the first place.

It isn't. He just needs an excuse.

>what is choco install vlc -y

>they don't sell it in my country
>importing it from overseas means I have to face my country's heavy importation taxes
>from a third world country, so without regional pricing, the base price is already heavy, even more if it got taxed
Yeah, I don't really feel like buying anything.

Even online shit like Crunchyroll gives me the "not available in your country" bullshit.
If only Steam serves anime and manga.

didn't steam literally do that a while ago?

I think they only do Hollywood movies, and then discontinued it later.

I paid a good fortune for Madoka stuff, and honestly the problem is never piracy but how the shipping cost for something is almost equal to the price of the actual stuff.

Manga I can't read = manga I don't care

We live in a time where fan bases are global and want access to the material immediately. Nobody wants to wait for a publisher in their region to pick up a series, and even when they do, nobody wants to wait for releases that come months after the chapter is available. Publishing needs to step up and stop their old practices and the Japanese publishers need to stop being so restrictive if they want to succeed. The only way official TL can beat fan TL is if they release it first, the same way Crunchyroll killed off 90% of fansubs. There would still be piracy of course, but a lot of people would pay a sub for convenience.

They did, they eventually stopped probably because Gaben's cut was too big
store.steampowered.com/app/600900/Mob_Psycho_100/

this is a major gripe with the whole system, hopefully the legal streamers undermine the isekai shitters

That's difficult to prove.

Piracy is free advertising.

>oof
So he's a tool. Got it.

Of course it's true

The Japs don't care about international sales.
Why should I?

they do now

He is a retard.

Right, that's why they make an effort to sell overseas.
Oh wait, they don't.

Even their retailers don't ship internationally most of the time, but they are slowly waking up to the fact there's money to be made.

With anime the real issue as far as I'm concerned is subs vs dubs and broadcast vs bd sales.
Selling their bds with official English subs would be wise and the connoisseurs choice. Decent gains for a small investment, and a few already do it.
But syndication, dubs or manga translations isn't something that pays off for them, hence they license it to some retard western jew company to sell to casuals.
It's fine, whatever, but also irrelevant objectively and doesn't earn them much beyond the licensing fees.
Also forces people to wait a year or more, and consequently has no bearing on piracy or fan translations.

How many people read Otoyomegari's scan and also buy the tankos?
I know a LOT of people, they only buy this manga because they followed the scans for years.

I've never bought anything Yea Forums related that I haven't pirated first.

Only if there are official translations to take sales from.

>piracy takes away sales
For some cases, I wished that it did.

And if it wasn't for piracy legal streaming services would never improve

I don't get it, if piracy boosts sales, wouldn't the jews do the logical thing and encourage it?

There's services like Viz that release the manga immediately digitally on their site, or MangaPlus and their site.

This. I opened the cmd on my classmate's laptop to use youtubedl and he thought I was going to hack his computer

>I thought this wasn't true?
Depends on the industry really.
Some media like comics is vulnerable in the sense that people who read manga and comics online aren't fans of comics exactly but rather fans of easy to digest entertainment while at work if that makes sense. So its not lost sales because if they had to pay for it they wouldn't be interested.

The less options, the better for them you silly goy

>jews
>wanting competition instead of a complete monopoly on everything
oy vey

I have never bought anything in any entertainment media in over 20 years. Everything I own or watch is pirated.

So do you all actually buy manga you read for free online or are you all assuming that there exist those mythical beings who do so, even if you as an individual don't?

"Illegitimate" ways are literally the only reasonable method for anyone outside of Japan or USA/Canada to access most manga they may want to read. Be it scanlations, or pirating licensed releases.

I do

Post them

I buy it if I like it enough, a couple of tanks every few months.

No, but half the shit I read online doesn't have an official translation and I can't read nipponese.

Outside of Japan I don't think piracy does anything other than help series get sales.

Scanlators actually have an insane amount of power because series basically live or die on their watch.

Check any buyfag thread and you'll see people have shelves full of manga at times. I myself have bought only shit I really liked, like Sakamoto, SBR or Hakumei&Mikochi.

If I really love a series I'll buy it. Otherwise I don't give a shit

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This is already questionable in the primary market, but with manga, it's so fucking retarded. Scanlation has 0% impact on the initial production and distribution. It's a market that isn't covered at all. Continued or not is exclusively a question about domestic sales in Japan.
That guy's just a fucking idiot.

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I buy as much as my budget allows. Ballpark 400 volumes so far, which isn't really much compared to collectors.

When they closed that Manga Village site, manga publishers in Japan report a massive rise in sales.

I know a literal tranny autist who thinks piracy isn't stealing. That's the type of person who makes these arguments.

I know a literal tranny autist who thinks piracy is stealing. That's the type of person who makes these arguments.

I've only ever bought manga that I've read online first. Same with books, I either read a pdf or borrow from someone before I shell out money just to have a copy on my shelf. I also have (considerably) more than 10 grand in figures, art books, LE anime releases etc, of which I would not have spent a single cent if I hadn't already decided that I like the material by pirating it first. And I know several people like myself.

who cares, let them learn japanese

Obviously it takes away sales, this goes for most industries where piracy is common. But it's not hard to justify considering how material is handled.
Sure, I've only ever read manga off unofficial releases either because there's no English translation, or only read for a few chapters before purchasing to see if I'd like the manga, but most people don't do that. The issue is a lot of actual English releases are just badly handled.
For anime, I pirate because every 'official' service available is shit. Crunchyroll is awful, Viz is bad, Funimation is shit, every service I've tried using sucks so I'll just go to Nyaa and download an episode or movie. On top of this most of these services barely even support the industry so I may as well just pirate and then buy merchandise for anime and manga I enjoy like a smart person.

Give me a good service that supports the industry well and I'll use it, as it stands most "legal" ways of watching anime are not worth it.

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You can't steal non-physical things.
In other words: making a copy is not stealing since the original remains unaffected.
You also cannot steal hypothetical revenue or your own money (that you'd have to spend).
That is why it's called copyright violation, not theft.

Piracy literally isn't stealing, by definition. Look up any definition of stealing and you'll see that it always involves *taking* the item from someone / some organization / whatever. Piracy does not take anything from anyone, therefore it is not stealing. Simple as that.

Wasn't that a Japanese piracy site? Japs don't give a fuck about foreigners

>CR was LITERALLY born out of piracy
>these same people are now clamoring piracy is super harmful to the industry

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Reminder that piracy doesn't affect sales.
gizmodo.com/the-eu-suppressed-a-300-page-study-that-found-piracy-do-1818629537

>You can't steal non-physical things.
Right, so if you take money out of someones bank account it's not theft?
The absolute state of autism.

Wrong. It doesn't have to be physical to be theft.
>take (another person's property) without permission or legal right and without intending to return it.
>to take or appropriate without right or leave and with intent to keep or make use of wrongfully
Taking a product without permission is theft. That goes for videos, images and software. You. Fucking. Retard. Tranny.

>wat is wire fraud

How can you even "pirate" anime episode that airs on TV, ffs. I can understand pirating manga can hurt someone, but how does downloading tv-rip hurt anyone, or do japanese outlawed VCRs/their digital analogue?

I live in a third world shit hole too and books don't get taxed when imported, I even imported the first few Bride's Story volumes. I guess there's always worse shit holes lawd

But you're not taking. You're copying.
That's why it's legally a different thing.

>But you're not taking. You're copying.
Unlawful duplication is theft. Fucking. Retard. Tranny.

It's an attempt to control distribution, to make money off anyone who didn't record it when it aired.

it's just heartbreaking

So why did they make an extra law to handle this sort of thing, that nowhere mentions it being theft?

Nothing you're saying is true or correct. Fucking. Retard. Tranny.

"no u"?
Really? I don't expect much from dumb shit like you, but come on, you can do better than that.

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Cope retard

My copy is not someone else's property.
They merely own the rights to it, not the copy.
Copying also is not a case of taking or appropriating.
Appropriating would be the act of using it, like reading, which is independent of it being a copy or original.
You suggest reading something online without downloading it is theft?
That's even more dubious and ridiculous.

The real criminal is the one providing the illegal copy anyway.

Unlawful duplication is unlawful duplication.
Nobody is denying piracy is a crime retard, it's just not theft.

Almost none of the non-Japanese audience would exist.

Autists seething.

>You suggest reading something online without downloading it is theft?
To be fair, that's not actually possible.

I remember some old anime having running messages that may have talked about piracy, do those still happen on tv shows? Unless they do, such "attempt to control distribution" either does not hold any actual weight, or may be plain illegal itself.

Those messages never held any weight, just like the reminders on DVDs. It's all bullshit.

True, but there still is the option of not keeping the copy around.
A better example would be glancing at someone elses manga, or borrowing a book.

My problem is that a most of the manga I read are pretty much niche products, and the likelihood that an official English translation will become available is zero. Secondly, something really needs to be damn good for me to buy it considering how expensive collecting manga is for a poorfag like me. So even before I consider buying something, I'll always check out unofficial translations first.

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Daily reminder TL tranny mafia exists. They broke into my house last night and confiscated all my illegal nhentai download.
Stay safe, Yea Forums.

Honestly, I'd be surprised if publishers on the edge about buying the rights wouldn't look at how well scanlations have done.

It's the staggered distribution that really makes it here. Scanlation has no impact on the japanese market, they don't read their mange in english, because duh. Only the japanese market decides if a serialization keeps going (the magazine publishes only in japan), so only piracy inside of japan would be relevant.

By the time the rights do get bought, or not bought, their value comes down to how well the english-speaking market has already heard of the IP. Something that has zero following won't command a price. Also, you don't know if a JP-compatible show will also be a match for americans. So scanlations show interest and cultural compability.

This doesn't say anything about piracy in general. Manga is a really unique case, but I can't see a case for scanlations being bad.

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Taking or copying something someone owns, without their permission, is stealing.

Not going to give a (You) to that, senpai.

>you can own ideas
No, fuck off.

It's literally free advertising. No one's going to buy a japanese book without knowing japanese or its content.

I still feel guilty that one time I translated a comiket newbie's debut release around C83 or C84. I saw her table on Comiket, I bought the doujinshi but I'm not really a fan of lolicon. I just translated it for quick GP on exhentai because there are more lolicons that will view it.

I monitored the artist's twitter and dlsite. My raw upload on e-hentai has more hits that on her dlsite page. The translation has more than 2x hits than both the raw upload and her dlsite.

Then 2 days passed. Saw her update on twitter about while she's happy about experiencing being a seller in comiket, she won't release new titles for suceeding titles because people might not buy them then she referenced nyaa torrent hits on my e-hentai upload.

I saw her again C94, apologised about pirating her shit. Of course she was confused. I was wearing mask and glasses. Paid 10,000jpy and excused myself LOL

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It's a matter of exposure, really. You can't do anything about that.

>create character
>whoops you don't own that character because you can't own ideas

>>whoops you don't own that character because you can't own ideas
Yes?

Why didn't you link her twitter and dlsite on the raw upload so she gets more exposure?

Thanks for making an ass of yourself.

Yeah but you don't have to do that because it's in the app store on Windows too.

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>someone glancing at your copy of a mango
That's "performing", which is a reserved right, if you do it intentionally.
>or lending a book
That's "rental", which is a reserved right, if you do it for compensation.

You're using a black-and-white definition of property which doesn't exist in law. The desk you sit at at work: who owns it? Naively you'd say "work", but who owns work? If it's an LLC, thousands of shareholders do. So who owns the desk? Does one person own the desk? No. Who can exercise the majority of the property-like rights over the desk? Bizarrely it's you, even though you don't own the desk at all. Even though the shareholders actually own a stake in the desk, you get to decide what sits on it.

Life is not so simple as every object being the property of one owner. To go back to your example, you think of your copy of a mango and your day planner as being your property. But if they're both your property why can't you treat them exactly the same (and not break the law)? Why can you photocopy a page of your diary and stick it up on the wall at work, but you can't do the same with a page from your copy of Take on Me?

Because property is not as binary as you're saying it is.

You're suggesting that anyone that's interested in seeing said is incapable of googling her name?

People are generally idiots, that's why saying "follow, like and subscribe" works. The less effort needed for people to do something, the more people will do it.
If you make the effort of linking her official pages, readers only need to make the effort of reading and clicking the link instead of reading and googling the name.

It might not make a significant difference but there is one.

>Want to buy official release of something
>See its been licensed by Seven Seas
Yeah, I'm not waiting 30 years for releases, thanks.

why are Yea Forumsedditors calling piracy a tranny thing now what the fuck

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>buying porn
who the hell does this?

actually yes. See the drooling retards asking for sauce in every OPT thread

It's not. I wouldn't read it if I couldn't read it for free

How many people would have ever read or heard of Otoyomegatari without the "illegal" scanlation? Not very fucking many. It's the case for all but the most mainstream shit, honestly.

It's not. The EU suppressed a 300 page report it commissioned to prove piracy harms media sales because the conclusion was that piracy increases sales in most cases.

How many of the manga you are reading right now will you read if you have to buy them? most im following im doing with the hope that it might turn into something good, or it was good and im just waiting for it to end. Even if I had a shitload of money to spend I wouldn't even buy 10% of the manga I read now because unfortunately most of them are complete shit. Pirating it allows you to try out a lot of manga and find the good ones, because for some reason japan sucks at making covers look anything like the actual manga, and cant write summaries that accurately describe the manga worth shit.

Manga is also so fucking ridiculously expensive, maybe its just here but a 200 page manga, that takes a couple hours to read slowly, costs the same as a 1000 page book that will take significantly longer to read, and most likely contain a full story, and isn't just the first volume out of 14. I (and I know others) try and buy good mangas to support the authors, but theres almost no one in the west that will even try most manga if it wasn't for piracy.

link?

You might be abke to argue that for anime, but even then I doubt it. Fags who use CR or Netflix aren't very likely to buy BD's or merchandise, which makes a lot more for the industry than the shitty contracts Netflix and CR give them.
For manga piracy is the only reason a western market exists. Manga like Made in Abyss and Nagatoro have no up to date official translation, but are both extremely popular because of fan translations from Yea Forums. I know several people who've bought volumes of both and are pre-ordering figs.
Manga would be screwed in the west if not for fan scans.

Anyone who thinks piracy actually helps through exposure is deluded. Piracy harms the author in many ways, lost potential sales, demoralization because of unlawful distribution and so on.

People who defend piracy always fall back to personal anecdotes "I know a guy who knows a guy who only bought the Japanese volume because he read a pirated copy!", essentially a delusion of positive impact while there are very real negative impacts.

There are no lost potential sales, or very little. No one in the USA would know about Made in Abyss were it not for the MiaToc translation getting popular, which led to buzz on social media, which led to demand, which led to an official western release.
You fuckwit. 90% of fuckers here have no idea what new releases drop in Japan until someone uploads them ir translates them.

>cdn.netzpolitik.org/wp-upload/2017/09/displacement_study.pdf
>$500k study by EU, who is anti-piracy
>the results do not show robust statistical evidence of displacement of sales by online copyright infringements.

...

>oof
Stopped reading there.

I use Tachiyomi

>VLC
Why are you on Yea Forums. Use mpv(or mpv.net if you want a GUI).

It's hard to make an accurate comparison when there is no physical copy, like in scans or reading online.
The whole point is simple however:
The real thing that's "protected" is the content, not the stack of paper and so "appropriating" it would simply be the act of looking at it without owning the right.

Why would anyone want to use that?

>sudo snap install vlc
only if you already know that, and its a popular program, the more likely action would be

>sudo snap install program
>no such program
>google program
>find repository with program
>add repository
>sudo snap install program
>no such program
>google again
>oh, the name on the repository is gnuprogram-gb
>sudo snap install gnuprogram-gb
>oh, its a 4 year old version
>go to program github
>clone rep
>install dependencies
>fails
>google error
>finally get dependencies to install
>compile
>error
>fix errors for your distro
>compile
>run program

vs
>google program
>dl exe
>install

I like Linux due to control you have, but holy shit its tedious. There are some pagage managers trying to make it easier, but ironically the most hard core Linux fanboys are against it because I assume they like the struggle.

You could package programs like this on Linux too. Projects like snap standardize this idea. Building on Windows is just so hard that the approach of distributing binaries is mandatory.

That says it did find a negative link for blockbusters. Do you want to kill the blockbuster industry? What will we do without spandex gayshit #34234 raking in billions?

>piracy is the solution to creatively bankrupt works only thriving because of people jumping on the bandwagon
It could work.

>never updates package lists
>surprised package not found
I kid, I know what you mean. I'm a macfag anyway.

>moralfags
Anime and manga are made BY the Japanese, FOR the Japanese, and we harmlessly leech off them. There is nothing wrong with that as long as it doesn't cost them their jobs.
And it doesn't because otaku are still buying every piece of merch that those chinks put out there.

It also means that the west, with all of its garbage taste will have absolutely zero influence on actual artists.
Fansubs are already better than official subs most of the time, since they have no political agenda and they actually give a shit.

TLDR; Artists are the crocodiles and we are the little birds picking food out between their teeth.
These moralfag whiners are complaining about us stealing the crocodile's food.

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Piracy:
>reduces sales because some would-be buyers no longer have to buy to read
>increases sales because increased exposure means more potential buyers who want to support artist
It's like a force of nature. The only losing play is to try fighting piracy.

>It also means that the west, with all of its garbage taste will have absolutely zero influence on actual artists.
This is what I'm conflicted about. On the one hand I want the artists to benefit from the western audience's revenue, which they deserve. But on the other I'm terrified this will cause pandering to western sensibilities.

>The only losing play is to try fighting piracy.
The only losing play is to try stopping piracy. Fighting it by providing a more convenient service like netflix and spotify seems to work fine.

Like I said before:
1. Just because someone will read or watch something doesn't mean they'll buy it.
100,000 people might have read something but only 1000 of them would be willing to actually buy it.
2. If something isn't available in English and is never going to be published in English, translating will always benefit them because someone who's English would've never seen it in the first place.
3. Most books that should be $5 or $10 end up costing $50 or $100 because of shipping fees and taxes. If I want to support an author I shouldn't have to be taxed 90% of what I could potentially give them. So the only people that can buy this stuff are those with disposable income.

Or like Steam did to PC gaming.

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>piracy
Publishers often refer to copying they don't approve of as “piracy.” In this way, they imply that it is ethically equivalent to attacking ships on the high seas, kidnapping and murdering the people on them. Based on such propaganda, they have procured laws in most of the world to forbid copying in most (or sometimes all) circumstances. (They are still pressuring to make these prohibitions more complete.)
If you don't believe that copying not approved by the publisher is just like kidnapping and murder, you might prefer not to use the word “piracy” to describe it. Neutral terms such as “unauthorized copying” (or “prohibited copying” for the situation where it is illegal) are available for use instead. Some of us might even prefer to use a positive term such as “sharing information with your neighbor.”

And now we have a new potential problem of having centralised game stores. Goddamn it Gabe please don't cuck me.

I like saying piracy because pirates are cool now. In serious settings I tend to use "copyright infringement".

But Yea Forums fucking hates Netflix.
Hell, Netflix is even reviving fansubbing.

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Yea Forums is Yea Forumsustistic like that in a good way. I meant to say normalfags are willing to get netflix subscriptions rather than torrenting their TV shows and movies. I think that's a more sustainable business model than selling DVDs and trying to crack down on freedom lovers.

It's not. Someone who's not willing to pay will not do it even if piracy isn't an option.

olá, anão

>On the one hand I want the artists to benefit from the western audience's revenue
for that you need to buy the japanese manga not the western

This works for a small handful of individuals but the mass market will choose something like Crunchyroll or Fakku. Because that's more convenient.

WARNING!
A huge sophist
"Pretends to not to understand basic economics when convenient"
is approaching fast

wow we have an expert here

>oof
fucking stopped reading there. this faggot is a cunt

did he made any money with Patreon or other funding?

What isn't true is that every pirated consumption of media is a lost sale. However, that doesn't mean that the opposite, that no pirate would have bought a legal copy had they no other choice is true.
People try to minimize costs when acquiring the things they want. Not just monetary cost, but also cost in terms of things like amount of effort it takes to get it. This means that providers of media, legal and illegal alike, are competing with each other one those fronts as well. If one of the first hits when googling a manga title is a website offering scanlations of that title in a convenient web viewer, then the legal edition is essentially only competing on cost to conscience. On the other hand, if the only way to pirate something is by joining an IRC channel and entering some cryptic commands, some people may not consider it worth the hassle and just end up buying the damn thing, depending how much they want it.
As for the exposure argument, it feels like that was more valid 10 years ago than it is today.

CR would have licensed the cartoon anyway, which would have had the same effect. Regardless of my opinion of it, it was one of the most popular shows in its season, and it would have had the same effect on Western sales of the source material as it did in region 11.

People don't have money, file sharing lets people enjoy things they'd never be able to afford without it, if people like stuff enough and are in a position to do so they'll spend the money. It's a good thing imo.

Reminder to everyone in this thread:

animenewsnetwork.com/news/2011-04-14/u.s-retailers-list-gintama-manga-23-as-final-volume

North American anime and manga distributor Viz Media has confirmed with ANN that volume 23 of Gintama is the last one that the company intends to publish.

Amazon, Anime Castle, Barnes & Noble, Borders, Buy.com, and other retailers list the 23rd volume of Hideaki Sorachi's manga Gintama as the series' "final volume" in North America from Viz Media, even though the manga's Japanese publisher, Shueisha, just released the 39th volume on April 4 in Japan. The 23rd volume will ship in North America on August 2.

The company's Twitter account acknowledged the matter publicly but did not provide further information.

Other way round: building cross-version-compatible binaries is so easy that building from source is unnecessary. The same program built in 1991 can run right away on Windows 3.11, or thirty years later on Windows 10.

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>People don't have money, file sharing lets people enjoy things they'd never be able to afford without it, if people like stuff enough and are in a position to do so they'll spend the money. It's a good thing imo.
Yes user, just let the niggers steal. they're poor old dindu nuffins.

>file sharing lets people enjoy things they'd never be able to afford without it, if people like stuff enough and are in a position to do so they'll spend the money. It's a good thing imo.
I smell a filthy commie.

But that's a fallacious argument because Steam is both "convenient source of legal game" and "antipiracy measure". Just try buying a game on Steam then copying it onto another PC.

Equating copyrighters with the /pol/ is actually a good thing, because /pol/ will pull copyright down too.

The same works on Linux, dumbass.

You don't know your history. Software pirates called themselves that.

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suck to live in a shit country

Kind of like how the same binary can run not only on different versions of the same Linux-based OS, but different OS's entirely?

I haven't been involved with steam in a while, but last I checked it was pretty easy to circumvent it. Compare steam to various DRMs which are effectively rootkits, one of the most resilient forms of malware ever invented.

USA is a bad exemple, look at Italia and France who has a successful manga market without the need of scanlation

If "titles coming to the market" means shit is doomed to stay years behind the original release, then anyone with sense would keep their money and stick with the free, faster, and often higher quality fan releases. If the nips and their retarded western licensing companies want money, they should try doing better than a handful of volunteers. Until then they can shut up and fuck off.

SteamDRM is laughable and optional. I have several games I can copy straight and circumventing it is no trouble.

>To be fair, that's not actually possible.
Technologically impossible to read something online without downloading it.

I've been forced to buy manga that weren't ripped so yes, piracy does hurt sales. I can admit that.

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If you’re translating a series that never got a US release then it isn’t piracy. The author didn’t sell it outside Japan. You don’t lose sales where you never planned to sell them.

If a japanese author gets butthurt because their series got translated into another language even though they never intended to sell their story in that region that’s just the goyim big-nose kicking in.

>you don’t lose sales where you never planned to sell them
Doujin authors who gets assblasted because their porn got translated can go suck my crusty nuts.

Except it doesn't. Right below your post, it's explained pretty well, but there's also the fact that in many countries, these japs don't even try to sell. Piracy is the main way to watch a lot of anime and read a lot of manga. You can't complain about lost sales when you weren't selling there to begin with.

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Did you even read my comment? I clearly implied that it's available in my area and I only buy when I can't find it ripped.

It's not true, (((certain people))) just repeat it over and over as if it were.

That's because they're dissatisfied with Netflix subs, not because there's something inherently wrong with streaming services. Again, piracy waxes and wanes with the dissatisfaction, justly or unjustly, with official products and services.

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Someone post the disgusting shit they did to Precure

Was this series just recently licensed or has it been releasing for a while? Because the last chapter was like chapter 80 or something right? Translators who stop translating a series because it gets licensed when it'll take years to catch up (and will always be behind since US releases are only released in volumes) are complete retards. Letting licensors take their sweet time just because they're "official" just encourages the licensors to be even slower or worse because they have no competition. That's why Viz still releases the trash that they do.

Digital piracy is on the rise again because there's so many competing streaming services and the rising costs for some of them.

>and the rising costs for some of them.
That's because they all have to show larger profits than they showed last quarter. Offering a good service and making money is not enough.

Tbh, Japanese IPs should be banned from Nyaa. Make sure that Japanese people keep buying, the industry needs it.

Do you remember fansub groups? Sure, speed and quality were often lower than official subs today. But I miss the feeling of community and the motivation and care the groups used to work on the shows. Often, there were multiple subbers for a show, and people discussed which were better. Groups make v2 and batch releases to fix mistakes.
Now everything is all so impersonal.
>tfw Eclipse's FAQ said they'd stop when official English subs became available for all shows on the same day, unthinkable at the time

Fucking BASED

I miss the notes they would leave to better explain stuff. Most official subs/translations assume you're already a hardcore weeb that understands all that crap. Having to pause to look it up kills interest in shows for new weebs

I wish the concept of money can be reworked to accomodate new technologies like the internet.
It just feels like society isn't adapting fast enough with reality.

Did you buy $100 worth of stuff or just "tipped" her?

A Bride's story wouldn't even be released in english if piracy hadn't drummed up interest in the first place
For all the retards saying piracy does take away from sales multiple studies have shown pirates are usually the biggest spenders in whatever medium they occupy

I miss tl notes that actually explained shit instead translating wordplays and puns into some incoherent mess with 0 explanation on what actually happened there.

I don't want the author to think that there's money to be made in the West anyway. Anime and manga are only good because they're produced by Japanese people for a Japanese audience. If you really want to support content creators, either buy Japanese content or mail them cash. Pirate everything else.

I buy and I would buy more but I just don't have the space I'm even thinking of getting a storage locker just so I can buy and store fuckloads of manga

Well let's use logic.
>Sales
Author creates something and expects to get monetary compensation for the experience provided by that something. This is fair.
>Piracy
Something is unlawfully distributed and author will get zero monetary compensation for the experience from consumption of unlawfully distributed something. This is unfair.

If people can't understand the language and can't pay for it, then they shouldn't be experiencing it in the first place. Not only doea piracy not give money back to the author, it devalues the experience people get from buying the work when they know they can get it for free. So yes, piracy does harm to sales.

Obviously especially if its in moon runes

>So yes, piracy does harm to sales.
You can't actually prove that. It has to be demonstrated that in the total absence of piracy, sales would be higher.

It can be proven with simple logic.
When piracy happens, the work is consumed without compensation to the author.
Without piracy, all consumption gives compensation to the author.

I guess, I've purchased manga that I've read online, actually I think brides story was one specifically. I don't think I would have bought it if I hadn't read some of it first. I do have to say I typically don't continue reading the pirated version after I start buying the official.
Do any of you guys relate to this?

Your "proof" doesn't make sense because you need to explain why the case of "all consumption, without piracy" results in more consumption than "all consumption, with piracy".

Basically if, with piracy, you have 100 consumers paying $1 each and another 100 consumers paying $0 for a grand total of $100, how do you know that without piracy, you could have 200 consumers paying $1 each? Or only 100 consumers in total paying $1 each? And so on.

>series is made for Japanese people
>not available to non-Japanese people
>non-Japanese people experience it with fan translations and possibly buy merchandise since that doesn't require knowing Japanese generally
>series is licensed
>retard translator drops the series, leaving a several months to a year+ gap where non-Japanese people can't read anymore of it
>official version starts coming out
>it's shit with worse translation than the fan translation, possibly redrawn art, and possibly lacking things that the Japanese release had
>on top of that fans have to wait for it to catch up and even then it'll still be behind

It's all a plot to get you to learn Japanese.

Even neil gaiman, a popular jewish author, understands that piracy helps more than it hurts.

The vast majority of people actually like to give money to people who make a good product if they have the income to do so, so they can makemore good products. Most of piracy stems from ease of consumption and/or lack of funds.

This is why people can make 100s of 1000s of dollars with crowd funding or patreon.

Oh and also that the series was only licensed because of the popularity through fan scans. I don't know if that's the case with this series but I want to read several series that both don't have any scanlations and are also not officially licensed. Companies aren't generally going to license random series that don't have a proven fanbase that will likely result in a profit.

The introduction of money into what was once a niche hobby does tend to ruin things. But it's the price you pay for not being a fluent Japanese speaker and not actually living in Japan.

Inevitably, the people who translate this shit for free for long enough, will have their mid-life crisis, and realize that other people get paid to do things and they don't. Then they become jaded and either stop translating with some bullshit justification about why they have the moral high ground and piracy is bad, or they sell out/put shit on patreon. Remember when people just translated shit as a hobby and enjoyed it? Those were the fucking days. Now everything is about fucking ad money, site hits, and patreon subs. Fuck your mothers.

It's already proven that piracy does NOT harm sales, and in fact even tends to help sales in many cases. Simply put, the target audiences are different; the people who will actually buy your product are not the same people as the ones that will pirate it, in most cases. I have been downloading manga for like 18 fucking years. In that time, I've never purchased a single volume. I've come to own some, but only because it was given to me as a gift by others. Despite my prolific reading of manga, the only reason I actually persist in the hobby, is because it doesn't cost me anything to do so. If I had to pay for it? I would simply choose something else to do. The same goes for anime and light novels.

It doesn't matter if there are more consumers when there is piracy because they don't give money to consume the product. Logic shows that given a choice of paying for something and getting something for free, people would choose getting something for free. But getting something for free means no compensation to the author.
The only thing that matters is whether the product is paid for or not when it is experienced, if it's not paid for, it hurts sales because the product was never meant to be consumed without monetary compensation.

I used to like being able to compare the fan translated one to the official release. I can't remember what it was, but way back I remember being quite annoyed with some light censorship in an official release (Might have even been NHK now I think about it).

Still bought it because I liked the series, but I ended up reading the fan translation and just buying the books to put on my shelf.

There are next to no series I have bought physical copies of without reading some volumes of a fan translation first though. I don't enjoy gambling.

>if it's not paid for, it hurts sales
Again, that remains to be proved.

>Logic shows that given a choice of paying for something and getting something for free, people would choose getting something for free.

Actually, if not extrobantly priced people tend to go with the product that costs because it is assumed to have more value. This is why it's better to sale your game on steam for 20 dollars instead of 10.

>Yea Forums contains actual shills
What

By that logic nobody would consume free pirated copies because it's free and therefore have no value.

What is the English release even up to? How long would it take before they caught up to the latest chapter?

Is it as easy or easier to get than the pirated version? Do they think the product is priced fairly? Even if the two previous questions are yes, can they afford it?

If any of the questions are answered no, it will be pirated.

>make a good product
>it's available for free
Yes, I will surely get millions this way.
>gets no money because there is no reason to give money because the product is free

Looking at Wikipedia, all the tanks have been released in English, though the English releases are around a year after the Japanese releases. And there's 12 chapters, which is over a year's worth of content, not collected yet and so not released in English officially.

I pirate tons of manga but also do buy some manga plus artbooks and stuff. If I had to buy everything I read I just wouldn't read as much and probably wouldn't even know a lot of it existed. I wouldn't magically get enough money to buy everything I read or be able to find things that are out of print.

And yet when gaiman gave out american gods for free, not only did he make more than its first release of it because the new fans went out and bought a copy, his next book sold better because his fanbase increased exponentially.

This should be talked about more, piracy as means of marketing.

I would imagine that it's cheaper for the Japanese to access that sort of thing.

Even at $4 per volume that'll add up. Not to mention the price of subscribing to manga magazines, which I'd have to subscribe to several to read all the stuff I'm currently following as it comes out. And out of print stuff would still exist in Japan I imagine, though you might get lucky at used book/manga stores.

Given that WSJ is 260 JPY, supposing you subscribed to ten of them that would be 2600 JPY per week, or around 100 USD per month. Should be decently affordable if you're single and on a good income.

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>the highest grossing games in the world are free to play

I'm mostly reading monthly series and the one monthly magazine I've bought raws from before was a little over $7. At the moment I'm following 9 monthly manga and 2 weekly manga, all in different magazines. And that's pretty light compared to what some other people say they read. Using your numbers too that's

>9*$7 = $63 per month for monthly magazines
>2*$3*4 weeks = $24 per month for weekly magazines

Plus buying tanks. Plus artbooks and other merch. And that's not even taking into account space. For both the magazines and the tanks. People aren't made of money and even if they are they might have other things they want to use their money on rather than buying stuff for every series they want to even just try out, not even knowing if they're going to like it or not.

One thing I never see people talk about in piracy discussion is webmanga/webcomics.

The Murata One-Punch Man is available entirely for free on the internet, and it still is on the top 10 best selling manga every year. Spy x Family is only published online and the first volume is selling like hotcakes.

I don't see how being available for free hurts sales in these cases, it probably helps a lot.

If there was no piracy, anime would be hardly known in foreign countries.

>so I read piracy is bad
>hey pirates is it true?
great thread faggots

Like what?

Respectable position. He doesn't own you a translation. Somebody will either pick it up or buy the volume to scan and upload it. Basically, don't be a soiboi OP.

The highest grossing game making more than 3 billion dollars in a year is FGO.
Dungeon fighter online, crossfire, league of legends, fortnight all make 100s of millions a year.

Fortnite. That's why so many games are becoming f2p lately. Because the format works at siphoning money out of people since it's not just a one time buy. You put a store in it and people will give you money of their own volition. And you get a much more massive audience because there's no entry cost.

How do you put a store in manga?

The point is, being free gets you many more readers, especially if they're reading the manga before it's officially available in the US since licensing takes quite a while generally. The chance of that larger amount of readers wanting to buy volumes or merch is higher than if nobody knows about your manga because it requires money to even try it out. Especially after it's already 100+ chapters long when it actually gets licensed.

Also notice that Shonen Jump free to read the latest chapter service they just set up. And there's a Japanese app that's the same way. Probably more than one actually.

thats true

So for manga it would be making the earliest chapters available for free and the latest chapter free for a while.
Therefore having the entirety of the manga available for free would only hurt sales, audience only needs a taste for exposure, not the whole thing.

For mango I would do a free for all chapter but paid sub for week early access of new chapter. Assuming you're doing 1ch a week. It will also keep you on a scheduled so you don't go berserk or what ever that shonen one where he would do three-five months of nothing.

Also sell figs, scrolls, onaholes, etc on the site too.

You're never going to get a mangaka to have a chapter prepared in advance and it's kind of a stupid idea to begin with. With weekly manga especially the schedules are already too tight. You'd have to completely change the entire industry to make that possible.

>piracy takes away sales
>official releases of fan scanlated manga sell at least ten times more than kodansha simulpubs or seven seas garbage

Can pirate will pirate
Fuck copyright

If they aren't willing to try ways of making money then they deserve their instant ramen.

"we'll pay you in exposure!" is a negative meme that presents a false narrative. Exposure DOES PAY. "Let's plays" and twitch tv would not exist if this wasn't true. Companies now pay top twitch streamers MILLIONS OF DOLLARS to play their game.

Increased community means increased sales. Exposure increases community and piracy increases community.
Piracy only decreases sales if your marketing budget is massive in the first place. So it only does damage to the big companies not the little guy.

>"Let's plays" and twitch tv would not exist if this wasn't true.
would not be allowed to exist*

I recently learned there is a game that I can just copy to a Game folder and play without logging into steam. I figured it out because I needed to mod it outside of Steam for it to run better.

There are games that allow that. I know GTA4 does for instance. It depends on what the people who made the game do and how they use Steam.

That reminds me of When Assassins Creed came out on PC and the president of Ubisoft claimed the PC sales would be 10 times higher if piracy didn't exist. But if that were true the sales would be higher than Xbox and Playstation combined. The PC market was never that large, but he just looked at piracy numbers and assumed that meant sales. It turns out tons of people pirate shit they don't even care for because why not?

I only pay for media like manga and blurays when it's something I really enjoyed and want to own a physical copy from a preservation standpoint. Any minimal amount of guilt I feel from not paying for 99% of media I consume is balanced by the massive amount of merchandise buyfagging I do.

Later on (would have been after the pirate AssCreed game I think) Ubisoft's sales reports showed that the PC version of that game sold around the same amount as each individual console version.

Well to be more accurate the current rate of piracy doesn't take away sales. Like if for some reason buyfags did make a transformation into pirates as well there might be a negative print then. But from what studies are available pirates are basically savvy consumers and "try before you buy" is real.

Why the fuck would someone buy something like manga if they didn't already know they enjoyed it? That's the whole fucking market strategy of weekly/monthly manga magazines right? Get people hooked and make your money from fans buying volumes of chapters that they already read months ago in the magazine.
Hell this is the strategy of the anime industry too, TV broadcast then make money off blu-rays and merchandise.

Also another side effect of Piracy is lower crime. I really wish I saved the god damn article but there was some British town where they had nonstop vandalism from young people for decades. They tried absolutely everything to get the numbers down but nothing seemed to work. Then without a single policy or societal change the numbers started going down. Something was causing the kids to stop breaking shit around town. The popular theory was the sudden ease of pirating shit online meant kids weren't bored anymore and all the time they spent walking around aimlessly looking for something fun to do is now spent indoors playing videogames and watching movies. Even with no money you can stay entertained.

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His reasoning doesn't even make sense. He means it won't get English releases? Then he'd BE the English release. Does he mean it won't sell in Japan because of English scanlations? Fucking what?

In all fairness often times official translations can be way behind Jap releases unless it's an excessively popular series. Also you're paying literally double for the exact same tank that the nips are paying meaning it's also overpriced.

>exposure does pay
>ignores all the weird indie games that twitch streamers play and gets millions of views but nobody actually buys

I feel that's more attributed to people having more shit to do at home as technology has progressed. 40+ years ago the only fun a "normal" teenager could have is go out with friends, and do stupid shit, As time progressed you've got video games, and then the internet to keep people inside when in the past the only shut-ins were autistic role player gamers, model makers, etc

The people who watch streamers generally don't buy games anyway though.

Most games that suffer from that are made by retards and only have like 2 hours worth of gameplay, if that. They're the same games where the devs complain about the 2 hours of playtime limit on Steam where before that you can return the game, because their game can be completely finished within that time frame and it has no replay value.

Holy shit you stupid faggots.
Why would you want to use Netflix or Steam over piracy?
Piracy:
>find magnet
>download
>install
>you now have all the files and can do whatever
Netflix:
>make account
>input your card info
>buy a bunch of shit included that you most likely don't give a shit
>supports a politically charged platform
>that will use said money to produce garbage or influence nips to produce garbage
>streaming
>if you want something that isn't on said platform open your wallet for a whole new subscription
Steam:
>make account
>install bloated store
>which has to run in the background and bogs up your system
>its a DRM
>devs/publishers get less by having their games bought there
>you can have your games taken away from you
>if something is not on steam get ready to install another bloated launcher

Piracy is superior to buying because its insanely convenient. And the worst part is that buying doesn't have to be fucked like this but it do.

It doesn’t.
engadget.com/2017/09/22/eu-suppressed-study-piracy-no-sales-impact/

Why do official releases only batch translate entire volumes while taking months to do so? Why not just synch release chapters in jap and english? The biggest thing holding me back from just buying official releases of serialized manga is how fucking slow they release, YenPress dropped Volume 11 of Bride's Tale two days ago whereas Duralumin had the whole thing TL'd and uploaded EIGHT FUCKING MONTHS AGO. Volume 12 probably won't be complete until spring of next year and it will take ANOTHER EIGHT FUCKING MONTHS after that for YenPress to release it.

Why the fuck do japs get to have monthly releases while I have to wait entire years between releases?

Well, not as extreme, but kinda this. Many things I watched/read were just time killers, if I didn't have an access to them I would move towards free alternatives.

I think piracy does indeed affect sales negatively by having people who would buy them not buy because it's available for free but also that it affects sales positively by introducing a wider audience to the work thus having people who will buy the work when they didn't even know it existed before.
I can't say which side is bigger than the other though.

There's no real structure in place to do weekly or monthly simultranslations outside of shit like Shonen Jump. The only other manga that do it are on shit like CR's manga section and there's just so many magazines in Japan that they're not all going to make websites that do that kind of thing for all of their series.

Thats blatantly false

People like keeping up with manga releases weekly/monthly when new chapters come out instead of having to wait for the once every 2-8 month tankobon/volume releases that then take another 2-4 months to be translated.

Anything you can do to fuck over Crunchyroll, neftlix and hulu is a positive.
Most people probably do the same and its ultimately a good thing. Nips shouldn't even bother translating their stuff nor should they ever pander to larger western markets.

There's a difference between random manga magazines going out of the way to do it for their own series and a company like Yen Press doing it for something they have specifically licensed to bring to the western market.

>Otoyomegatari is a monthly serialization
>American tank releases are nearly always about a year behind domestic tanks
>instead of being dripfed monthly chapters I now have to wait two years (optimistically) between domestic tank releases

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>Manga is also so fucking ridiculously expensive
That's an issue on the local end, in japan manga is only about 600 yen (6 bucks) per volume.

Official translations are shit anyway.

How many manga do you think would have any readers in the west if not for scanlations? Even if only a small portion of those buy raws/merch thats more that what you'd get without the exposure it brings.

And yet all of like 5 people have probably read it as proven by this thread.

So westerners buying manga is pointless because most of the cost doesn't even go to the publisher and even less to the actual author.

Just pray that someone isn't afraid of being compared to Dura and picks the series up, otherwise see you next December when we find out how this volume ends

You are blatantly ignoring the already existing readers that would have otherwise bought physical copies but doesn't because it's freely available through piracy.

Pretty much, unless you have a way to get stuff from japan without paying expensive shipping fees. Doesn't help that digital raws are intentionally made to be really low quality.
Only buy manga out of a desire to own a physical copy.

What already existing readers?
Most even remotely obscure manga would have no readers in the west at all if not for scanlations.

The existing readers that matter, the Japanese people.

Those studies are about movies and games, and are in no way comparable to anime and manga piracy due to the wait for translations and fantranslations.
With movies and games people have been able to buy them/recieve them as gifts before they can learn to pirate, with anime pirating came naturally as it wasn't available legally, it was a completely different starting point of 100% piracy compared to other media.

Completely true, another reason why moralfaggotry is stupid. The western manga market is fucking horseshit, you've got professional TLs charging you twice the amount the nips pay for worse TLs than those put out by sweaty weebs in their spare time

How does manga being translated illegally to English effect domestic sales?

It's not. Guy's an idiot. A hero for translating this manga so well, for so long, all for free, but still an idiot.

To translate it into English the manga needs to be ripped and distributed illegally, the raws being available on the internet is harming the already niche market.

On Linux you just open the app store and install

This kind of piracy has been going on for nearly as long as the market's existed. If it was really that harmful, said market would have died by now.

Manga piracy is barely a problem in japan. Manga is cheap enough that most wouldn't bother, especially for the series they like and want to support. Nip otaku are much more likely to support series they like in other ways suck as merchandise, while nip normalfags generally don't pirate online because manga is so ubiquitous over there, plus a lot are relatively tech-illiterate compared to the west. and they certainly wouldn't be getting their pirated copies from fucking english scanlations anyway.

A good chunk of scanlators get their raws either from buying the digital raws or scanning a physical copy, and in many cases don't make them available.

Slants have been ripping manga for as long has the internet has existed, if that was going to kill it it would've died a long time ago.

>piracy
It's not piracy if nobody was raped and nothing was stolen. Stop normalizing propaganda pushed by (((copyright shills))). You should always and without question be able to legally copy/share information you were given.
>takes away sales
It doesn't. If anything it just increases your reach/fanbase.

It's true. Now I DO pirate, but I also buy as much stuff of the stuff I like as I can. Yes a pirated copy doesn't equate to a lost sale, because nothing guarantee that the guy would have bought the material otherwise or that he isn't going to buy it afterwards.
However, there is a significant amount of people who definitely have the means to buy what they pirate but pirate it any way. This happens for many different reasons :
1.The guy already buy so much shit he doesn't want to burn that he doesn't want to burn his entire income on his hobby. Which would be my case. While that's still not a noble thing to do, at least he is trying.
2.The material isn't available in your country. Nowaday this is largely false. You have DLsite, Bookwalker, FANZA, Manga Plus, Mangagamer, manga and LN editors, licensing companies and streaming platforms.
That excuse only works for stuff like doujinshi that are only sold as physical copies on Toranoana and Melonbooks.
If you can't buy EVERYTHING I'd say that 1 is an acceptable option.
3.Out of habit. Lots of people simply don't think about it. Pirating became a habit and thus it's going to be the first thing they do even before checking availability and price of the product. That's the case for pornographic materials. People on the internet have this dumb mindset that "you shouldn't pay for porn" to justify themselves. Even though ero doujinshi and eroge are completely different than the amateur porn you can find on the internet.
4. They don't care. These ones will keep making excuses to pretend that what they are doing is right. They simply don't want to admit that what they are doing is bad and that their money could go toward more anime.

anime is almost single-handedly funded by chinese streaming

It genuinely makes me sad that people still repeat that piracy equals lost sales.
There are studies from the eu, there is simple logic, there is all the evidence pointing to the opposite. And yet they believe the opposite.

I don't understand why the industries themselves believe it. Are they being scammed by people selling them protection?

Its being pushed by the copyright jew to take away even more freedoms.

It's a tenuous ecosystem.

Scanlation groups have offered immediate coverage of material that used to take more traditional publishing companies months to get out, though with the advent of simulpub that waiting period has somewhat diminished (for select titles; others languish). More importantly, scanlation groups have raised awareness of titles that would not otherwise see publication outside of Japan since a traditional publishing company wouldn't want to risk licensing a potential flop without some assurance it would do well, and Japanese companies can also be blind to the broader appeal of their output. VIZ has even put out questionnaires on occasion asking for people's opinions on series they don't own the license for, meaning the only way they could reasonably assume an informed answer would be to accept the implication of piracy among their readers. On the other end, Dark Horse shut down any attempts to scanlate Blood Blockade Battlefield, the result of which was almost nobody knew about a series that really could've sold on the basis of its author's previous work (Trigun) alone until they made an anime out of it, which actually raised its popularity enough to get it back in print after it was seemingly discontinued.

The trick is all this hinges on manga pirates being of the "Try before you buy" variety. You read it for free because it's not available, or because you want to see what it's about and now you're caught up in it, but once it becomes available, if you've been a faithful member of the audience, there's the expectation you'll support it. If there is no support, then the system collapses. And even if you think "Well they didn't originally care about outside profits enough to reach out anyway," a lot of people in Japan are bilingual, typically Japanese and English, and when scanlations are in English then the home audience can get at them that way, which justifies companies going after scanlators even if they legitimately don't care about foreign readers.

It takes money to publish magazines and print collected volumes and if nobody's buying an author's output then they have no reason to keep employing that author. Someone's gotta put cash down, and if they aren't then the system fails.

This. We used to be big on piracy until we learned it's supported by leftist SJW cucks so now we hate it. Anyone who doesn't realize this or disagrees is a newfag

>movies and games,
and books.

In my country is roughly 6 euros as well. Are burgers the only ones gettkng fucked by ridiculous prices?

Basically this, I just don't want the clutter of having manga/DVD/BDs around, and i'd rather spend that money on anything else rather than paying Aniplex $100+ for a series.

If I had to pay for Anime/Manga, I would stop consuming it, and go back to playing video games that I bought for cheap.

Wouldn't the wait for translations and fantranslations make what the article talks about more relevant, not less?

I remember when people thought that the proliferation of computers would turn everyone into coders, and give them in-depth knowledge about systems.

A random gamer from the 90s knows more about computers than any modern kids even though they grew up with them.

That's why Win10 gives you those faggy error screens that say "Whoosie, something went wrong :-)" and don't give a a full error code

Here (Italy) it depends on the manga. Normally, for your average 200 pages volume it goes from 4.20 euros for the cheapest shoujo manga to 10 euros for old and niche manga.

Aussie here, 20 fucking dollarydoos per volume in some cases.

High prices could be a consequence (and a cause, of course) of a very small market.

Anti-intellectualism, like most of these sorts of things.
Why would you listen to scientists, user? They're nerds, fuck em, what do they know?

Same reason people still think the Earth is flat or vaccines cause autism or trans people are just mentally ill and not the gender they identify as: they are anti-science

The earth is shaped like this.

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>piracy should be allowed and people should give money based on their personal financial limits
This makes no sense, they're a business, they're supposed to sell stuff and the stuff they're selling is being illegally copied.
They're not a donation based art group.

The idea is that people should pay for what they like after having watched/read it, so that they can support what they want instead of having to pay before knowing the full content.

>p-please think of the poor corporations!
I wonder who could possibly be behind this post

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I fucking hate CR and their shills that pretend that pirating an episode of seasonal anime will kill a animator when they are just a pirate streaming site that got licences.
What about when you were the pirating site? Why do you get off scot-free while you pay shills to demonise "muh Kissanime"?

Why would anyone pay for something they like if they already saw it?

It depends. There's things like Watamote or Monmusu where scanlation absolutely helped the series, helping them get official release, or in case of Watamote helped the series stay alive.
But that was back when they were new, and nobody knew of them. Right now when those series, and others like Dungeon Meshi are actually relatively well known and get regular official releases, there's really no denying that scanlations are eating into actual sales of the series.
After all, it's so fucking easy for normies to read series on MangaRock or whatever, while buying the actual print release or Epub costs money. Saying that scanlation does not affect sales is ridiculous, though the extent varies from series to series.

>so that they can support what they want

No fuck you, there is absolute denying. Stop repeating this bullshit when there are studies showing that piracy does not hurt sales.

Why would anyone pay for something they don't know they will like or not?

It's mindset like that which caused Capcom to stop localizing Ace Attorney, and when they finally got back to it, the series wasn't getting hardcopies anymore.

An individual is considered a rational actor in an economic setting, this is a business selling a product, the individual already consumed the product for free, rationally, the individual won't send money to the business because they already got what the business is selling illegally.

That's the whole point of marketing, to convince people to pay for something they're not 100% sure of, but marketing doesn't mean giving the shit out for free.

Weren't those studies for music or movies, and very limited in scope? As far as I know, nobody has seriously looked into effect that scanlations have on sales of manga.

>because they already got what the business is selling illegally.
The point is supporting it so you can get more of what you liked. Christ this is how the anime industry works. You air an anime on tv, people watch it, people buy merchandise/bds, people decide the shape of the market.

>That's the whole point of marketing
Which most manga don't have in the west.

>After all, it's so fucking easy for normies to read series on MangaRock or whatever, while buying the actual print release or Epub costs money.
Those normies were never going to buy actual print or epub in the first place, you are under the misconception that they would spend money if the series wasn't available for free.
No matter how good the series is, the main drive of piracy is that it's free, you're equating views on mangarock or whatever to lost sales.

Then let's get back to the OP topic, Otoyomegatari has an official English release, but why would anyone purchase the official English release if the entire series is available via scanlations for free?

Arguing scanlations of Otoyomegatari doesn't hurt the sales is bullshit, it's already well known and there's an official release.

Fucking American
>Buy porn book
>"Oh I'd better tip"

Because I like it and I want to own it.
Because I want to encourage the pubblishers to release more stuff.
Because I want to support the author.

Otoyomegatari has a release in my country, I bought every volume. I also bought everything else of Mori available in my country.

And the bottom point is this: please prove that 1. there is a significant amount of people who would bought the manga if there was no scanslation
2. this amount is not compensated by the people the free scanslation brought in in first place

Because all I hear is the same old bullshit about lost sales which is so stupid I can't believe people believed it in first place.

And modern marketing has shown itself to be completely untrustworthy time and time again.

In this specific case, because scans don't really do much justice to the beautiful artwork.
t. own it

This will work only if there is a large number of people who love Otoyomegatari enough to buy it without scanlations, but who also won't buy it when scanlation is present. People who read whatever if it is free, or absolute fans who already buy everything won't affect the sales. Some people may even stop buying heavily copyrighted stuff out of a principle.

Why would a rational actor even buy manga in the first place?

I'd never have bought the volumes if it hadn't been available online for free first.
Fuck this guy.

No, if you have to wait a week for a fantranslation then most people won't care too much about the official release in three months time and so it won't be bought by as many.
If they were simply pirating a official release then there would be more people converting to buying to not need to wait for someone to upload.

Remember how Starsector was never bought again and development immediately died when Sseth gave away his cd key and download links to over 1 million people?

I only buy tanks of what i really like and i feel i'd want it to keep going, just like one behave by reading them on the weekly/monthly magazines and then buying them if they liked them

I will never EVER fucking buy anime or manga
I'll buy merch and other shit tho but only because I pirated the anime+manga

if somehow I could not pirate anime/manga I just wouldn't view the content. It's the internet so please disregard this but I make 90k a year excluding investments. Doesn't matter how much you make, piracy will always be a thing.

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>it's already well known and there's an official release.
By who?

I have never seen an add for Otoyomegatari. I only found out about it through piracy. If it hadn't been scanlated, I would never have known the series existed, and me buying the official release would never even be a possibility.
How did you find out about the series, user? I'd like to know.

This.

I own hundreds of volumes of manga and western shit and buy more constantly. Every single thing I buy I have read online first. The very idea of buying something blind just seems retarded.

Ah but then there's the farm raised niche anime/manga fan like me, the kind that doesn't get fan or licensed translations of series I truly love. DJT? No because if I did learn JP and read my material, I wouldn't release the translations to the wild in which there are people out there that did just that so no.

En. Oh.

>The very idea of buying something blind just seems retarded.
The idea of buying something you've already read is retarded too. Rereading something is retarded instead of reading something new.
Making a decision while accepting the flaws is normal as everything has flaws.

>DUDE BUY CARS WITHOUT TEST DRIVING THEM LOL
No.

No but not everyone is on Twitter, Pixiv or on a marketplace, and their name might change from one place to another. The least you can do when uploading someone's work is actually linking to his Twitter/Pixiv and the different pages that sell the work to encourage people to buy it if they want. Especially since searching for some works online can sometimes be more difficult than it has any right to be.

I have to say both of you are retards.

But you don't drive a car only once (or a few times, if you really really like it).

>Implying you can't step inside a library, take the manga, read a part of it and then buy it.
>Implying sample chapters aren't a thing.
>Implying Manga Plus doesn't exist.
There are tons of legal ways to try before buying user.

>snap
>vlc
How about you fuck off?

>why would anyone buy a book when they can just read it in a library

I don't see the point you're trying to make. Now hurry up and give me a legal release of Rookies I can buy in a language I can read.

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>Divert the point to unlicensed works.
Nice way to move the goalpost user.

Yeah but you understand that when I buy books that are in English, a language that is foreign to me, I can't just go to a library and read them, right? You do understand that? That that's not an actual option for me?
I have no idea what sample chapters or manga plus are and I don't care much either. I'm still going to read things online and buy them physically if I feel they're worth it.

Getting to a library, finding a book, taking it home and then returning it sounds like a chore compared to just downloading the stuff.

Yeah I know right? Why would I ever want to support the creator of the thing I really really liked?
Fuck them, I'm going to buy this random piece of shit instead because it's new!
Also, much of pirated content is terribly scanned. Raws tend to look very blurry and furigana is usually unreadable.

tl;dr you're a fucking faggot

I'll keep buying things I've already read. It's retarded, but I'll accept that flaw. Everything has flaws, after all.

I agree with this because, despite the uncensored and unique flavor some translators give, if you like the series the least you could do is support the official release.
It's stuff like Shiori Experience that doesn't have (and probably will never) an official release which needs unofficial translators.

>Yeah but you understand that when I buy books that are in English, a language that is foreign to me, I can't just go to a library and read them, right? You do understand that? That that's not an actual option for me?
That's what sample chapters and Manga Plus are for. Sample chapters (or free previews) are literally the way online platforms proposing english translated manga (like Book Walker) let you read a chapter so you can see if you might like the manga before buying it.
Manga Plus is a free platform made by Shueisha that let you read the first and latest three chapters of any of their serialized manga for FREE. You HAVE legal alternatives that allow you to try before buying, you're just being a lazy newfag.

Why should I bother with those alternatives though? How does this increase the number of physical volumes I buy?

It increases it by encouraging you to buy since you won't have read the entire fucking thing for free.

That makes no sense. I don't buy things I don't know are good, because that would be a waste of my money, which I have to work for.

>read sample chapter for free
>I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS GOOD HOW COULD I BUY THIS
Are you kidding me?

>he doesn't know how many series turn to shit
Yikes, read more manga

it doesn't, braindead linux devs break dependencies every month

A manga starting strong and going to shit is the norm, ones that have consistant quality are outliers.

Manga turns to shit like several volumes into them, do you need to be able to read the half of the series for free before considering buying it?

Your ignoring that the market exists solely because of piracy. If you think the licencors don't take the pulse of scanlations before deciding to license something or not you're the one that's delusional.
We've seen fansubbing die because the official releases got "good enough". The only reason scanlation of extremely popular wide market manga is still common is because the officially licensed releases are still palpably inferior to the pirated versions.
Bleeting about legal regimes doesn't make piracy go away. Product quality does.
Manga is not niche in Japan.

This will happen only if there are a lot of people who are
a)fans of the series who buy everything if it is not available otherwise
b)not really fans and will not buy anything if it is available for free

People who buy everything in both cases and people who don't buy stuff at all won't change the picture. There are also people who will stop buying things out of a principle, and people who will be simply unable to notice the series.

For example I only own Dragon Ball up to Goku beating Piccolo Jr. because I know it turns to shit after that. If I hadn't read (to be fair, seen) the rest already, I may have wasted my money on here.

>do you need to be able to read the half of the series for free before considering buying it?
The whole discussion here is that it's best to read the entire thing first.
How fucking retarded are you?

>We've seen fansubbing die because the official releases got "good enough".
This just leads to official subs being grabbed.

Why do you feel so entitled? You wouldn't steal a car, but you'd steal food from the mouths of poor authors.

>not buying something you were never going to buy takes food from the authors mouth
>liscenced english sales having anything but a negligible difference on the authors profits
Okay user

You're a thief making excuses. You want to read it you buy it, end of story.

No, I'm giving food solely to the authors that deserve it instead of sharing it with a bunch of others who can't think beyond the first 20 chapters of their works.

Okay user

My point isn't about increasing sales, it's about not pirating every fucking thing just because you can. Especially if you have the means to buy. It's unhealthy for the authors you like. Yes manga isn't "niche" (though this depends on the genre) however it is oversaturated. Which means that for every author that isn't a Shonen Jump big name every sale count.

You must own a lot of manga.

without piracy 99% of anime and manga fans wouldn't exist outside of japan.

How is it unhealthy when I do in fact buy the things I like?

If the sales are not increased, then all this fight seems pretty pointless.

If the author is relatively unknown, then totally removing piracy will also remove his chances to get more popularity.

Sales can't increase if entitled people don't change their attitude.
Then what I am talking about obviously don't apply to you (at least not entirely). I am talking about the "Why should I buy when it's available for free ?" people. If you enjoy something, you should support it. You're only able to enjoy it thanks to the people supporting it.

Again, I am not talking about unlicensed work, stop moving the goalpost to make yourselves feel better.

In a hypothetical case scenario where piracy wouldn't exist, I wouldn't even consider reading 99% of the crap manga I currently read to kill time. Those won't ever get my money even if they costed a single penny to support.

Nigger, you know damn well that this whole discussion started because people were buying things they already read instead of new things they haven't yet.

Looks like all this quarrel isn't bringing any changes to the said attitude.

So is it about relatively unknown, or already famous authors?

No, this whole discussion started because a scanlator stopped his work on a series because he wants people to buy it now that it's licensed. Then people started throwing a hissy fit because "how dare he force us to buy the damn thing !".
And that's the issue. A lot of people just want everything for free, even when they can buy it.
Then what are you proposing ? We literally have platforms offering the latest chapters for FREE.

>We literally have platforms offering the latest chapters for FREE.
*only for dime a dozen shonenshit

Licensed=/=famous. Licensed works usually have some degree of fame, but not to the point where the author lives in a huge apartment with the latest computer and drive a crazy car. Most simply make a normal wage.

> I am talking about the "Why should I buy when it's available for free ?
But you've been replying to ME all this time.

First off, read the reply chain. Second, buying licensed works doesn't support the author, it supports the licensing and translation company.
If you want to support the author, you go buy the raws and deal with the shipping fees.
If you buy enough, then it'll even be cheaper despite the retarded amounts of shipping and import fees because buying raws is just that much cheaper than the translation tax.

I didn't even know Otoyomegatari had an official english release until this thread. Food for thought.

So then again the question is: will removing the piracy means improve the sales? Or will it remove the part of the popularity without getting much additional sales?

Are you saying that the licensing companies just get the rights for free? That they don't pay anything to the editor that pay the author? That the money they make doesn't make them able to license more shit and thus make more authors more money? Or are you implying that licensors should get no money and translators should all work for free?
Your arguments don't hold any ground user.

I've answered to a bunch of people using shitty arguments. I can't keep track of every retard I replay to.

>I can't keep track of every retard I replay to.
This makes your side of the argument seem reasonable and makes me want to be on your side as well.

It would do both. Yes, it would remove some of the exposure given by the free copies available, but it would also increase sales in turn since people who have the means and the interest but previously wouldn't buy anything would now be forced to buy it. It's not a binary thing, two things can be true at the same time.

Please, your "side" always say that people who buy are retards and that people criticizing piracy are shills. If you can't take that amount of heat then you're just a hypocrite.

How will they get the interest or awareness needed to buy it without the exposure from the free copies?
You keep ignoring this point. Manga is rarely, if ever, advertised in the west. You're not going to buy something you don't know about.

>people who have the means and the interest but previously wouldn't buy anything would now be forced to buy it
Or will just switch to other content.
>It's not a binary thing, two things can be true at the same time.
It's the total balance which matters.

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>Please, your "side" always say that people who buy are retards
But I own hundreds of volumes of manga. I have no idea why this is so shard for you to comprehend. Piracy is what leads me to the series I will eventually buy. I don't buy blind. No piracy means no sales. Every volume of manga I bought was bought because of piracy. That's something in the order of 4000 euros worth of sales that would never have happened without piracy.
How is piracy bad again?

>Manga is rarely, if ever, advertised in the west.
Wrong, whenever I take the sub or train I often see ads for manga on billboards. Exposure can be gained with the usual marketing, and (one point I keep repeating but somehow keep getting ignored) things like free chapters which are common on sites like Book Walker and Manga Plus.

Licensing companies pay the publisher, not the author. The actual money that gets through to the author is nothing but scraps and seconds.
In the end, it comes down to the fact that stopping with scanlations because it's licensed won't make any noticeable difference towards the actual author.

I wish I could afford merch for my favourite manga, but importing stuff from Japan is an additional $80 fee for each packet.

It is suffering and even hard to justify if you make decent money
trust me

That's not what authors says though. Most authors want people to buy their work even if they only get "scraps", scraps are better than nothing after all.
Yes I agree with you on that part, I even said that I DO pirate. However you can't pretend that everyone who pirate is like us and that people who complain about a scanlator stopping to encourage people to buy the licensed copies are a problem.
You don't know the numbers ever way, so talking about the total balance is impossible. However, I do think that pirating should at the very least be done responsibly. And that people who don't buy anything don't actually contribute in any way.

>Most authors want people to buy their work even if they only get "scraps", scraps are better than nothing after all.
Most authors want people to read their works, regardless of what they get out of it.

The fuck? I don't think I've ever seen an add for any manga, not in any medium. Where do you live?

>scanlations for series stop
>english volume comes out once a year
>interest wanes, series is forgotten
>when volume comes out nobody cares
That's the real sales killer right there.

Yes, but more than that they want people to buy it.

There's a manga cafe near where I was studying, you could sit down and read manga off the shelves without buying them too see if you were interested. That's how I first got into golden kamuy. Whats the moral difference (if any) between that and piracy since they are both reading manga without paying for it?

Yeah, the original, not the licensed garbage.

I see manga ads in the backs of manga volumes and literally nowhere else.

>You don't know the numbers ever way, so talking about the total balance is impossible.
There were links to some studies which supposedly show that piracy does not hurt sales.

Piracy is theft, reading manga for free in a library or a manga cafe gives millions of theoretical dollars of revenue to the original author.

I live in France, ads for manga do happen over here.
No they do talk about the licensed garbage when talking about that topic. You just don't understand that authors value money more than simply "views". Sure it's nice to be read by a lot of people, but if it doesn't translate into actual money then it's pointless.

How would you get the money if you have no views?

>You just don't understand that authors value money more than simply "views".
I do, which is why you should encourage buying the original instead of the licensed garbage.
The only one who "doesn't understand" here, is you.

Does your question even matter if barely 1% of those views translate into money? Wouldn't it be better if those people were more responsible and buy more?

There was no entry fee by the way.

>I live in France, ads for manga do happen over here.
Oh. Well, they don't in the states.
So my question still stands. You can't buy what you don't know about. In areas where manga is not effectively advertised, how are people to find out about particular manga series if not through piracy?

Theoretical dollars work in mysterious ways. Downloading a single movie can lead to tens of millions of lost revenue in theoretical dollars.

You seem to be of the opinion that people have some special right or privilege to read manga. While I agree they have a duty to pay for it, I don't necessary feel they should have access to it.

1% of a large number is noticeably better than 1% of a small number.

Oh yes an "original buyer", how many people who read it for free buy the original? I know that I do buy the original for some manga that I really like, but I've seen several times that almost no one does buy the original. There are no crowds of "true fans" who cares so much about the author that they will buy the original after reading the scans.

Oh I see what you're saying, I misunderstood due to tism.

You may have an opinion that some people shouldn't have some rights, but then don't be surprised if said people are not moved by your arguments.

They can just hang on the online platform and on libraries and read the volume or the free sample and figure that out, and yes they can also pirate. But they should do so responsibly.
1% of 1000 is less than 15% of 100.

How many people will buy the manga now that the scanlator decided to call quits? You're starting to contradict yourself. Your "1%" argument from fits just as well on my side of the argument as it does on yours. Checkmate faggot.
>There are no crowds of "true fans" who cares so much about the author that they will buy the original after reading the scans
You're arguing with one.

I am under no obligation to convince thieves to stop breaking the law, but don't be surprised when the law breaks you.

And 1% of 30000 is a lot more than 15% of 100

Yes and I am one as well, but I know this shit is wrong because when I go to sadpanda and check a doujinshi available on DLsite Maniax, the sales are often at 10 while the views are at 10k+.
Most people are NOT like us, the attraction of free shit is much stronger than the will to buy.

And how will you magically get the 100 which will provide 15 times larger purchase rate?

Netflix has heavier DRM than Steam.
>you can only "rent" anything
>they completely control how and when you watch it
>can't watch it with your favorite player
>probably sell the data collected from your habits

Then it switches the discussion to whether you have the means to actually mass-enforce the said law.

When will manga import companies learn from anime streamers? Subs are available right after it aired in jap.

Amusingly enough, the JNC founder talked about this when the overlord drama was happening a couple months ago. Below is quote:
>I don't want to be misquoted here, so let me clarify: >From our data, series that have finished fan translations that have been out there for a while, or series where the fan translation have been consistently released and are caught up to the Japanese release see depressed sales.

>Also, the quality and consistency of the fan translation matters a lot.

>As a concrete example, we've sold more copies of Grimgar volume 4 than Grimgar volume 3.

>Tell me any other plausible reason for that other than the fact that fan translation existed for volumes 1-3.

While people often say "if it wasn't fanTLed it would've never become big!" this is simply not true. The majority of buzz comes from anime adaptions.
As an example, by the time of Overlord S1 coming out, not even the first volume was fanTLed yet.
It's a grey area because JP usually doesn't care, but it's pretty weird to see people saying that piracy is a good thing for the author and encouraging it. Exposurebucks don't pay the bills, anons.

Google is constantly watching you. All we need is a law to allow the police to use that data and it's game over for you.

And you seem to think you're a good judge of character.
Don't dodge the question. In areas where manga is not effectively advertised, how are people to find out about particular manga series if not through piracy?

We who?

They will probably first arrest everyone who downloaded the sexy stuff with underage 2D girls (which is illegal in most countries).

We the people. We happy few.

Why would Google give your data to the police when it can profit thousands of dollars from it instead?

Because it'd be the law. And piracy is illegal, never forget that you're a thief. You'd call the cops if I stole something from you but you think it's okay for you to steal from others because you don't ever meet your victims.

What a god damn trainwreck.

I'd call the cops if you stole something from me, but I couldn't give a fuck if you copied something from me.

What stops google from giving your data to the police AND profiting from it? They win no matter what

>this shit again
Piracy isn't theft. It's piracy.
That's besides the argument anyway. Google doesn't care about the law. If it didn't, it wouldn't sell your personal data to marketers.

>people saying that piracy is a good thing for the author and encouraging it
Is that what people are saying? I've lost track.

>pull copyright down
what do you mean by this?
what if you signed an NDA?

Hey, your boss here, you're not getting paid this month, because the chinese found a cheap way to copy your work and redo it every day. Actually, don't bother coming again.

Every copy you download was once a physical copy that was sent into the internet by the power of an enemy Stand.

>As a concrete example, we've sold more copies of Grimgar volume 4 than Grimgar volume 3.
>Tell me any other plausible reason for that other than the fact that fan translation existed for volumes 1-3.
That's misleading, Volume 4 may well not have sold as much if not for the series community being built up by the fan translations.

If you were to theoretically put out some kind of media worth selling would you put it out for free with the hopes of drawing attention to the version you are selling or keep it all behind a pay wall? Or some kind of compromise like only putting out the first chapter for free?

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If the chinese could do my work so efficiently that I was completely redundant then I'd deserve to be out of a job.

First off, doujinshi and manga are two very different things. Not a lot of people want to actually buy physical porn for obvious reasons. So the comparison you're making is already terrible. On top of that, many doujin artists know that it's hard for non-japs to support them, and have flat out said they don't give a single shit about piracy because of that. A good example of this are some of the doujin music circles that are in the fucking doujinstyle community, sharing their shit for free.
Second, none of the things you said have any weight into whether this will actually encourage people to actually buy now that the scanlations source has been abandoned.

If it's a manga, I'd put out the first chapter for free, and then the first three chapters for free once I have several volumes released. Otherwise it'd be for sale because I need to eat.

>signed an NDA?
Does not apply otherwise whistleblowing would be illegal. Contracts shouldn't be binding anyways.

I'd have it locked behind a paywall but intentionally "leak" pirated copies. That was people can still read the mange but I get sales from moralfags that wouldn't buy it if they knew I was giving it for free.

Metro 2033 was released for free chapter-by-chapter until the very last one which was only available in the actual physical book.
If I was any good that's what I'd do.

Well, aren't you super special

Anime and manga isn't an important necessity for the absolute majority of the watchers. Meaning that they will grab it if it's easy to get, but won't pay much or struggle a lot otherwise.

This is why I'm afraid to upload a loli doujin I got at C95 that still hasn't been uploaded.
There's even a digital download available on their pixiv booth, I'm just afraid they'll notice and get upset.

>People are generally idiots, that's why saying "follow, like and subscribe" works
Wait is this actually true?
I refuse to believe people are this much of a mindless sheeple

Did you know that piracy is still a problem today? Apparently it's mostly about gangs in Africa, who will rob commercial freighters. It's pretty dangerous.

Even if it hurts sales, it only hurts western ones, so nothing of value is lost.

>tfw 月chad
feels good.

user, I... what?
The anime came out in January 2016. It got licensed on October 2016.The fanTLs didn't hype the community, because they didn't exist. The anime did. In fact, most LN adaptions don't get fanTLed after the anime.
Most recent one I can think of is Bunny Girl Senpai. Literally who before the anime, shortly after the anime it gets really big and gets licensed.
Now back to Grimgar, volumes 1-3 of the official release had depressed sales because there was a fanTL in progress while the hype from the anime was still around. Vol 4 doesn't have a fanTL, so people buy it instead of reading fanTL.

fanTLed until after the anime*

Yeah I saw the Tom Hanks movie where the nigger says "I'm Captain now" and they're like skinny fucks with AKs and everybody just feels bad for them because they're morons.

It does. It also boosts sales.
Both parties are usually trying to pretend that only one part is true.
It's complicated.

>YenPress dropped Volume 11 of Bride's Tale two days ago
thats fucking slow, in France it already came since April

If something had a volume or two fanTL or just gave away for free it would give far more sales than the whole series being fanTL or no free volumes at all.
Its not that complicated, its more a balance. Give people a good taste and they'll come back for more.

In Finland we also got it months ago. What's up with that?

Well, yeah. We can see it directly impact manga and anime too.

Ouiaboos are the real lifesavers of manga in Europe. I love those extra-large volumes they occasionally put out.

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>x is a tool
I don't like this cliche, you must be a low quality person

youtube.com/watch?v=0Qkyt1wXNlI
Reminder

I don't see how Gaiman is an authority on any of this but okay.

piracy is free advertising

Goddamn you're stupid

Test

Watch the video then retard

I said "okay", user.

does the Latitudes collection have a dust cover?

France is the country with most manga licenses and at faster rates. The rest of the world is slower.

How come the MCU movies are a huge succes but the comicbooks dont sell at all while they are no piracy for them

or you can put some ad

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Basically all capeshit comics can be read online for free, bro.

>Earth is flat or vaccines cause autism
Possible, but improbable. Feynman had a great speech about this topic in one of his public lectures.
>are just mentally ill and not the gender they identify as
I tend to agree with this one. Gender, unlike sexual orientation, is a fashion choice, not a mental illness.
I will discriminate based on fashion when I conduct job interviews, though. Overly wired people often cause unnecessary trouble even if they are good at their job.

Unfortunately, no. It's my biggest gripe with the edition, since the covers are a lot less nice.

Piracy does equal a lost sale, but not in the case with animu and mango. With games etc. the shit is available and easily accessible. With your favorite manga, you'd have to jump through hoops just to read it. And if it isn't licensed, good fucking luck.

based

Well because they're shit, for a start.

i think only Ki-oon do this and they are my most loved publisher

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>Green Blood ads
I love that country now.

>Piracy does equal a lost sale
Gimme one moment, about to pirate a million copies of skyrim and send bethesda bankrupt.

>never going to pay for it in the first place
maybe?

>Piracy does equal a lost sale
You need a machine that allows you to peek into the parallel dimension where the work wasn't pirated to asses the financial damage.
joelonsoftware.com/2004/12/15/camels-and-rubber-duckies/

why the blonde guy looks like Raoh

>they do now
>now
Where the fuck have you been these past 2 decades?

I buy manga if its being published where I live and the TL doesnt suck

thats just maybe 2% of their global revenu

its like shoplifter in supermarket that represent maybe 5% lost

>japs dont care overseas

Speaking at a news conference, Chief Cabinet Secretary Yoshihide Suga said that the Japanese government is considering taking measures to prohibit access to pirate sites, largely to protect the country’s manga and anime industries.

“The damage is getting worse. We are considering the possibilities of all measures including site blocking,” he said.

“Manga and anime are important types of content that represent the ‘Cool Japan’ initiative. I would like to take countermeasures as soon as possible under the cooperation of the relevant ministries and agencies.”

Cool Japan is a campaign to promote Japan, its culture, products and businesses both at home and overseas, in order to generate interest in the country while boosting investment and tourism.

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Just got to make legal purchase easy and viable enough to convince people to buy it.

Send them the Gaiman video.

>Japanese government is considering taking measures to prohibit access to pirate sites, largely to protect the country’s manga and anime industries.
I understand that sentiment but I do hope they don't go down this route. Audiences are entitled fucks and go to incredible lengths to spite the people who denied them free tendies. Operating as a drug dealer providing convenient/early access stuff for a price tag is the way to go, especially if you can offer them through a monopolistic store.

>cool japan
cringe

>>cool japan
>cringe
What would you have called it? (open question)

nobody would have given a shit about japanimation if they could not have gotten anything for free

>muh gorillion lost sales
lmao

Jap is Whack

wtf I love frogland now?!

And there is a literal tranny translator that went on a tangent blaming scanlation for being the reason why Wandering Son didn’t sell in the English market.

Their version was sold has a hardcover edition for nearly $30 a volume compared to the Japanese copies being $3, as well as the series having a niche topic. And on his old blog he constantly bitched about translators not being paid enough for the quality of their work, which lowered the price of English manga in the early/mid 2000s. But noooooo it’s the evil scanlators that killed it!

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>nu-capeshit tumblr comics
>worth reading
People would rather just buy the classic 50 year old stories, which are actually good.

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It follows the same logic tho. You can follow the weekly (or monthly) fantranslation because they are usually released early but still buy the volumes, or not follow the series at all of it doesnt have a free source

This is another great example of American publishers being retarded, Magic Knight Rayearth has already been translated into english three times so it’s absolutely necessary to release THREE VOLUMES of it in a $130 special edition that includes a “bonus” rescan of the 15 page booklet from Tokyopop’s version. Imagine paying over $250 for six volumes of manga.

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I know that was not your question but i srsly would like if mangakas had something like patreon sometimes. I doubt the revenue they get from shit like Viz actually pay their bills but sometimes i dont want to have physical copies or merchandise since it takes space, but i still want to support them

>this happens
>Eden: It's an Endless World was dropped just 4 volumes from completion
I hate you all.

Japan overseas promotion (JOP)
Something boring and professional sounding you can talk about without having the entire audience cringe internally. Especially when promoting business.

I do but I usually scour eBay for lots or buy them from used book stores.

You must be new, Japan does this shit every year. Its a yearly thing now. Let me remind everyone a few short years ago how Japan's government listed every piracy site from steam sites, to manga sites, to torrent site all just so they can say "We know about these site so stop pirating" and nothing happened ever since. Shit was so dumb that they LITERALLY GAVE PEOPLE NEW SITES TO VISIT

This is Japan on piracy, shit gets dumber every year.

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>I understand that sentiment but I do hope they don't go down this route
Already
but so far only in Latin America

AnimeYT, one the most-visited websites in Latin America, period, has shut down. The website's operator took this action after several other sites faced legal troubles. AnimeMovil, another popular anime site, folded as well, with both events provoking much uproar on social media.

Dedicated anime pirate sites are popular around the globe, but in Latin America they are huge.

AnimeYT has been one of the main players in the area. With millions of regular visitors, it was the top pirate site in countries including Argentina Chile, Peru, and Mexico.
torrentfreak.com/animeyt-and-other-anime-pirate-sites-fold-facing-legal-pressure-190207/

i think some of them do it and draw doujinshi but with a pen name

I think people would be a lot angrier about manga publishers if they knew how many series and licenses have been dropped over the years.

Eden and Bastard!! piss me off the most.

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you pirate too much and Japan is angry

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For me it’s Gash Bell, Bambi and Hyakki Yakushou.

>The shutdowns have resulted in a surge of new traffic flowing to AnimeFLV, another popular anime site in Latin America.
Well they aren't going down without a fight at least
>In addition, inventive users have also started to upload Dragon Ball episodes to porn sites, hoping that they’re safe there.
Based

That's hilarious. Imagine watching 720p anime on a projector lmao

is it only french publisher that do it?
another thing that i saw was those short trailer, at first i thought it was for the anime
youtube.com/watch?v=aJSRtv25o48
youtube.com/watch?v=VYuLNhWX_IA
youtube.com/watch?v=DAyWVzDq4to
youtube.com/watch?v=mY_3Xe7gY9A

>streaming
lmao, based.

To be fair, I'm positive these are just the japanese ads with french audio on it.

never saw the japanese can you put a link please

It's my manga.

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they are only better because thousands of autismo helped and built it
do you feel like working if you are not getting paid? maybe
but what if there's a greedy bastard who only cares about money, but have an amazing artistic and storytelling skills?

Leorio!

all these exposure...and for what, exactly?

Exposure leads to sales. No exposure means no sales.