What's the appropriate response to this?

Shirou exploits his connections to Rin and Illya to murder them, then he loses hard against Kotomine and Gil since he has no counter to them.

Why did Shirou not respond to her previous question?
>do you love me as a woman or as family?

Of course.

Eh, nandatte?

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I thought the implication was that he won the war?

Kotomine tells him that he'll reach the end of the war, but realistically he has no way of winning. Gil is still around and Shirou has no Servant.

>mind of steel shirou
>losing
kek shut up swordlet

Yes, as long as it's not Rin.

youtube.com/watch?v=_-utjX-NaX0

MoS Shirou:
- has no Servant
- has no allies
- has no proper training in magic from Rin so he can't even use his powers

His ruthlessness might allow him to score a few kills against people who would hesitate to kill him like Illya and Rin, but he's fucked when facing Kotomine and Gil.

he absolutely won the war. Kirei said so with disappointment because it was completely obvious to him and Shirou says at the end that he turned his mind to steel and became a superhero. So if anything, he turned into something worse than Archer

>he absolutely won the war

No he didn't.

I can honestly picture Gil and Kotomine letting him live just for the keks while they sip wine as Shirou goes down a path of utter self-destruction. It'd be like Kariya Suffering 2: Electric Boogaloo for them.

yes he did

How would Kirei not let that happen? To see Shirou murder Rin and Illya would be too good to pass up

Shirou wants to destroy the grail, while both Gil and Kotomine want to use it for reasons that go beyond entertainment. Thy might allow him to run wild for a bit but there's no way they'd let him win.

>Shirou goes full MOS
>Becomes Kerry 2.0

worse than Kerry desu

no way, fag

"No!"

Thats Illegal

>loses hard against Kotomine and Gil since he has no counter to them.
Doesn't the choice that leads into mind of steel come after Gil gets eaten? Haven't read HF in like 5 years.

Gil gets eaten by the Shadow days after the MoS choice.

Gilgamesh seemed to have no interest in the grain in the fate route as he was too preoccupied with 'muh seiba' but then UBW comes around and he all but ignores Saber and wants to unleash mass genocide. Can anyone explain this to me?

Retard. Kotomine says that Shirou will absolutely win the war because Shirou will do anything to win after turning his mind to steel.

Shinji and Archer, as well as Kotomine's death, would be my guess.

*grail

>Gilgamesh seemed to have no interest in the grain
Well, that's understandable considering he's not asian.

>Shinji

Say no more, senpai. I understand everything now. I, too, would wish death upon humanity for producing such a shitbag and allowing it's continued existence.

FUCKING TYPOS

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>appropriate response

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Sakura...

I love Arcuied.

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Is this really something a teacher should wear?

[x] Persist on being a super hero

Emiya Alter is a wholesale reference to Heaven's Feel, especially Mind of Steel. Maybe that's how it happens.

Wasn't he blacked by Kiara and her interdimensional demon womb?

He did, fag. Theorize about it all you want but him losing the war is just your headcannon. In some Bad Ends Nasu uses Kirei as a tool to talk about how things will play out, just because he wants us to know how the war would end after that decision. So when Kirei tells him that he's incompatible with Rin and that he will eventually fight, kill her and win the war, that's the absolute truth, because there's no need to give fake information like that when he's building an ending.

kek

The Emiya of that timeline was already unusually ruthless, seeing as how he slaughtered every one of Kiara's followers to get to her. That's what made him go super-edge.

Absolutely. Turning all those boys she is teaching into real men is a part of her job

>Kotomine says

Why do you believe him? Kotomine is not an omniscient narrator and on top of that he's perfectly willing to lie if it suits him. He had told Shirou and Rin that he has the lesser grail in his church, which was a complete lie and he also told Shirou that he'd never attack someone from behind and even Shirou was able to reply that he's bullshitting him, which he then admitted.

>Kills waifu (Sakura)
>Uses heartless tactics to get rid of all my opposition
>Kill backup waifus (Rin and Illya)
>Win somehow
>Destroy Grail somehow(maybe the bombs Kerry left behind or some shit. I dunno.)
>Go full justice renegade for years on end
>Slowly lose all sense of humanity
>Eventually think I have nothing left to lose
>Ignore the wounds in my heart for the longest time
>Discover Kiara's cult
>Get disgusted by the attrocities people commit upon others and themselves for her
>Realize the threat she's going to become if left alone
>SeiginoMikata.mp3
>Her followers all go batshit and try to kill me
>No choice but to slaughter a bunch of innocent people
>Conflicted but do anyways
>Must keep fighting
>Must be justice
>I am superhero
>Before offing Kiara, the bitch digs as much salt into all the pain I tried to ignore over the years
>mfw finally remember my mind is steel, but my heart is made of glass

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Nice headcanon. There's absolutely no mention in any of the mats or games of Emiya Alter being MoS Shirou. That doesn't even make sense, since MoS Shirou didn't have Rin to teach him how to properly use projection.

And the whole point was that Kiara was such a threat that Emiya was forced to go full edge and murder innocents to stop her. Having him already be a ruthless killing machine wouldn't work.

>MoS Shirou didn't have Rin to teach him how to properly use projection.

Sorry. Not trying to intrude on your discussion as I agree with most of what you said, but didn't Redman confirm that he figured it out on his own at some point, why wouldn't Shirou?

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Emiya Alter's rank in Projection is lower than Emiya Vanilla's.

>In some Bad Ends Nasu uses Kirei as a tool to talk about how things will play out

Name those bad endings. And all Kotomine says in the MoS ending is that Shirou will defeat Illya, Rin and Zouken. He never mentions himself or Gil and you'd have to completely misunderstand both characters if you think that they'd simply step aside and allow Shirou to destroy the Grail.

Nasu has stated that Archer is a Shirou from a version of the Fate route where things played out the same way as in Fate except that Saber didn't get saved. Rin is the one who taught Shirou how to effectively use magecraft in that route, which allowed him to use projection. Otherwise Shirou would still be converting his nerves into pseudo-magic circuits and risking turning himself into a vegetable every time he tried to do a shitty reinforcement.

Emiya Alter's mind is fucked and he barely remembers anything.

Kiara is based as fuck

Memory shouldn't be much of a key factor in terms of his basic abilities. It's not like his memory loss affects his combat prowess. He still fully understands how to use his abilities. But he still has the lowest rank in Projection Magecraft out of the three Servants who have the skill.

He would work with Rin and Ilya since that gives him the biggest chance of winning, and then murder them.

>sex before marriage
nah

you forgot
>- has a bullshit reality marble that lets him beat gilgamesh in another route

"b-but he wasn't trying!"

Without Rin all Shirou could do was use strengthening. And again, if MoS Shirou had survived and was facing Kiara then he wouldn't hesitate for a nanosecond to murder everyone in the city she was in if he calculated that this would save more lives in the long term. Him breaking by being forced to kill innocents in order to defeat her makes no sense.

Two words - Ea GG. Gil also didn't use Enkidu on Shirou (or any other noble phantasms that didn't involve him just firing them at him) for some reason. Also keep in mind that the young redman would've died during the incantation if Archer hadn't put up Rho Aias in front of him.

The only reason that Shirou could use UBW was because Rin was supplying him with huge amounts of mana since he lacked the capacity at the time to activate it and he'd need years of training to gain it. Also the only reason he was able to activate it was that Archer had previously thrown a Rho Aias in front of him to shield him from Gil's attacks. Shirou alone wouldn't stand a chance against Gil or Kotomine.

in every type moon work whoever is the underdog wins, so MOS shirou would just win

deal with it

Yeah man, Shirou totally won in all those other bad ends. Clearly he'd win in this one.

Sorry I don't mean to be rude and jump in here uninvited , but please remember that Shirou needed Rin's help for that since he had didn't have the adequate mana for it, and he needed to learn from Archer how to use it or that he even had it in the first place. Sorry.

He didn't break. He was basically cursed. By slaughtering Kiara's innocent followers, they were treated as martyrs. He fell into the path of heretics more and more with each follower he killed. In the end, he lost sight of of not only his ideals, but even his own identity. A heartless executor who performs the jobs he's given with absolute efficiency.

The only reason he can even do that is:
>he had some bullshit 'training' with Archer who isn't interested in fighting him in this route
>he had rin giving him mana because he is shit on his own and cannot do this. he almost depleted rin when he summoned ubw.

He's dead meat. Kotomine only SPECIFICALLY says he'll defeat Rin, Zouken and Illya. See what he did? He excluded himself.

he loses in bad ends and dies in a painful way usually. which super hero is.

depends on if he's acting in accordance to the Counter Force's will, it will automatically empower, guide, and move allies in an individuals direction if that individual is able to stop a disaster before it happens otherwise it'll have to call in the Counter Guardians. That's what the protags of Nasuverse are, just tools for the Counter Force to use to carry out it's humanity's collective will to protect itself.

Kotomine gets too cucked in Fate and UBW so people tend to forget he's extremely fucking dangerous even in less than his prime. If Shirou has access to projection magic (or Avalon speedhacks/servants) on the level of something like UBW, Kotomine dies, but if he doesn't, he gets instantly wrecked.

That fucking priest is good enough to fight True Assassin to a standstill and force him to use Zabaniya.

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Comes with the territory of being best girl.

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No retard. It's the day after he loses Saber. Gil's alive and kicking. See Kotomine's manipulating him for max suffering and didn't say Shirou would ever beat him, just the other pieces in the board.

Archer can beat Gilgamesh. Kotomine can be taken care of by any of the remaining Servants.

>depends on if he's acting in accordance to the Counter Force's will, it will automatically empower, guide, and move allies in an individuals direction
That's just headcanon. FGO already show us how the counterforce works and it doesn't empower ANYONE unless they make a contract with them.

>Archer can beat Gilgamesh

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>Inplying Gil would go all out against a faker

You're stupid, aren't you? Kotomine already said what would happen: Rin would be obsessed to revive Sakura and persue the Grail. Nobody knows about Gilgamesh (hell, EMIYA forgets about him until he appears). Gilgamesh and Kirei aren't doing anything until Shirou kills everyone else. The ending is about Kotomine persuading Shirou to murder Rin and Ilya and feast on the suffering.

That's why Ilya is so disappointed and can't bring herself to even scold him in Tiger's Dojo. He is just Kotomine's pawn. Get over it.

>Enkidu
gg

>'The Counter Forces are always active, constantly steering mankind and the planet away from potential danger. Usually, the Counter Forces act indirectly. For instance, Shiki Ryougi was driven by the Counter Force to eliminate the threat that is Souren Araya, while historically, Joan of Arc is also named as one who was empowered by the Counter Force. One exception to this is Enkidu, who is able to access the Counter Force directly through his Noble Phantasm, Enuma Elish. The Counter Forces have immense power at their disposal. However, only the appropriate amount is unleashed to address a particular event. If the threat possesses an amount of power equal to X, then the Counter Force will deploy an amount of power just enough to snuff out X and eliminate the threat. The amount of power can be as small as nudging individuals into place through "coincidences", but it can also be as great as sinking an entire continent.'
Also
>Applying FGO retconshit to OG-fate superior world-building

Did you miss the entire "Shirou is going to fight and kill Rin, Ilya and Zouken" and the narrative acknolwedes this. What Servants? Gilgamesh literally has no interest in this without Saber around or the Shadow. He'll sit back to watch Kotomine get his way as he acknowledged he would.

Enkidu is just a normal chain against non-divine enemies.

If Gilgamesh only chooses to watch without interfering, then that's even more convenient for Shirou.

>superior world-building
>eroge
Kek.
The one that doesn't explain jackshit over primary canon hat actually explores this specifically?

Also the shit you quoted from WIKI is just fucking FANON, speculation about the counter force. Not an actual quote. Jeanne shit is mere SPECULATION from Touko proved WRONG in FGO. One even fucking taken from FGO but out of context with Enkidu.

Shitrou isn't an agent of the Counterforce. The agents of Counterforce are either creations of it (the Planet's CF) or Servants. Guardians summoned by wails after the disasters take place, or prayers of hope that bring the Heroic Spirits. This was already explained by Merlin in GARDEN OF AVALON, reinforced in FGO. It doesn't even always exists as System. China Lostbelt had no Counter Force at all because people living there had no concept or awareness of 'being endangered' and only knew peace.

No, Emiya Alter broke because he couldn't forgive himself for killing innocents. It had nothing to do with a curse. MoS Shirou on the other hand wouldn't even hesitate.

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He will interfere idiot. I mean he'll sit back in the other retards killing each other. He promised Kotomine he'll get him there. He simply doesn't really move on his own unless he loses Kotomine or the Shadow is out of control.

>Shirou
>has wizard powers
Toppest kek in my life

>Of course, should the life of a single human vary to such an extent, a reason necessarily exists.
>That which abased the spirit of the man who was as the steel of a sword
is said to have been a woman akin to the Holy Mother in her compassion.
>The price that the man came to pay in pursuing the subjugation of her Malice (魔性, masei, lit. "demonic nature"; often used to refer to "demonic allure")
was the 'disposal' of her many followers;
by their martyrdom did he fall to the Path of the Heretics (魔道, madou, lit. "demonic path"; in Buddhism, a walk of existence beyond the Six Paths, from which there can be no salvation).

A lot of that comes from speculation of speculation of characters from KnK about how it works. Jannu was confirmed to hear the voice of God, for example, not the CF as Touko thought (aka don't believe Dirty Red's ramblings of things beyond her limited understanding in a field that's not her forte). It was never really official fact or canon. CF actually acts directly. Enkidu was created as agent of the planet and gods, for example, literally he's a NP/weapon. We see it in FGO, and this was set up earlier by what EMIYA says in FSN and Merlin in Garden of Avalon, it sends agents empowered summoned directly in disaster zones. There's literally no invisible force that robs your free will and coaxes you to act in a way, that's proved as complete bullshit.

How does that contradict what I said? It doesn't say anything about an external curse, all it says is that Emiya Alter fell after he murdered innocents, which clearly shows that he hadn't killed innocents before. If that were MoS Shirou then him murdering all of Kiara's innocent followers in the name of the greater good would have been just an ordinary day for him.

Guilt alone wouldn't destroy his memories and eliminate his sense of taste, nor would it change the color of his eyes to gold.

Who cursed Kiritsugu to give him dark skin and white hair? Or Okita Alter? You're just coming up with rationalizations that contradict the source material. Go ahead and post a passage stating that his mind is going due to a curse.

>eroge
>kek

Like gachashit that contradicts previously established shit is supposed to be better?

>Also the shit you quoted from WIKI is just fucking FANON, speculation about the counter force
It's paraphased from the original definiton with a few touch-ups to give people a better understanding of it.
"The Counter Force here is the safety device formed by the collective unconsciousness.
The prayer to avert the demise of mankind, Alaya.
And the prayer to extend the life of the planet, Gaia.
These are the two aspect of the Counter Force.
Both aspects have the goal of extending the existence of the current World. They will eradicate the factors that threaten to destroy the World at the moment of their occurance.
Since the Counter Force is the unconscious, its appearance draws no attention, and no one will recognize it.
The Counter Force is a formless spiral of power. It adjusts its scale based on the target that needs to be obliterated. The Counter Force will always appear with a status above the target, enough to absolutely secure a victory.
Normally, the Counter Force empowers "a normal person" to remove the factor that can trigger destruction. As a result, these individuals are worshiped as "Heroes".
Individuals who became Heroes through the aspect of Alaya are said to be integrated into Alaya after death. However, the accuracy of this statement is uncertain.
These individuals are also called Counter Guardians. The emphasis here is "Counter", because they have no autonomy and will only activate in response to an event."
Here, this is an official definition of it from the KNK pamphlet. It doesn't contradict of the information of that excerpt. Shirou is one of these 'normal individuals' empowered to prevent the disaster either Kirei or Gilgamesh might have caused it's why things happen the way they do in Fate. Why Shirou has the perfect counter to Gil and makes the right allies to aide him throughout the story depending on the route.

Based and Redpilled

>There's literally no invisible force that robs your free will and coaxes you to act in a way, that's proved as complete bullshit.
This. The very existence of a system assigned to prune the timelines the history doesn't pass the average of acceptable choices and evolution wouldn't even be implemented if there was a convenient lobotomy/guide toward the continuation of humanity ending. People make choices and take actions on their own. This has consequence that often lead to death ends and the system discards them.

Most of the Lostbelts were due to bullshit by the gods, though.

Sakura is my favorite fate girl but Arcueid is my favorite TM girl overall. Would they be up for a threesome?

>Like gachashit that contradicts previously established shit is supposed to be better?
Better than "oh let's have a threesome on the run of a loli and her Berserker" for sure. Nothing made me cringe as hard as that. It doesn't contradict what was introduced in FSN. Did you actually READ CM III and Fate/side material?

>"The Counter Force here is the safety device formed by the collective unconsciousness.
>The prayer to avert the demise of mankind, Alaya.
>And the prayer to extend the life of the planet, Gaia.
>These are the two aspect of the Counter Force.
Nothing in FGO ever disputes this, it merely expands how it works and the condition of it's creation and activation. Along with other works.

>Since the Counter Force is the unconscious, its appearance draws no attention, and no one will recognize it.
Nothing here says it acts indirectly either. Just that general people are unaware of the system.

>snip about Counter Guardians.
You're fucking retarded. FSN explains WHAT CG hare, which KnK SPECULATES about. All you posted in KnK speculation about how it worked which was based on Touko rambled. Fucking Touko, who isn't an expert in the subject, she's just speculating and giving unreliable information Nasu was going to explore later. He did in FSN. He did in FGO and other fate works. FSN HAS A FUCKING COUNTER GUARDIAN. Archer didn't get jackshit handed at him. He made a deal in exchange of power. You fucking see this happening even in the UBW animu in a flashback written by Nasu. You need a contract to be empowered. There are agents empowered but they aren't puppeteered unconsciously as you claim, they are people who strike deals and are later stuck with them. And no, despite what Touko assumed (wrongly as usual), Jeanne heard God's voice and became a Heroic Spirit and not a Counter Guardian. Is Shitrou under a contract? Fuck no. He dies like a bitch and nobody is lending him power at all in the endings his harem isn't carrying his worthless ass.

Only LB2. And Surtr is unironically part of the Planet's Counterforce which went rogue. He's designed "sword against gods" to end the texture of the Norse Pantheon. Qin and Arjuna were human when they took their powertrip. Both acting on their perception of what is best for humanity and the world. Their actions lead to the purge of their history. LB1 is caused by a natural disaster and Ivan scrambled to make his people survive. He was human when he chose to fuse with those ancient divine Beasts.

Chaldea isn't empowered by the CF either, despite all the speculation from those who bought that headcanon. The CF does send agents to help them (Fujino when she's technically dead and this isn't some unconscious manipulation act: she's deployed, like all the Servants who appear in the chapters) who are under contract, but the living people act on their own will, without any power granted at them, and even acting when the CF is unable to act and reach.
Frankly speaking, presuming there was this lobotomizing force stealing away agency for the greater good was one piece of disturbing headcanon. I can't believe people really assume that's how things were for so long.

In theory, the world could potentially grant Shirou a contract and help him to awaken his latent abilities in order to stop Angra Mainyu.

Sex scenes are not canon.

The gods shouldn't have given Arjuna all their power in the first place. I'm still blaming them.

Yes, but that isn't covered by the ending narrative which only states Shirou deals with Zouken, Rin and Ilya, and doesn't regard Kotomine as his enemy (which is a mistake). We can also assume Shirou stumbles upon Marisbury Animusphere who decided to terminate the Grail because it was worse than what Heartless said and they team up and shit, but such stuff is just wild speculation. It could happen, but it's more likely he just fucking dies to Gil and Kirei. And then Alaya sends someone to take care of them. Like Enkidu for irony.

The gods are part of the planet's counterforce, regardless. And Arjuna still chose to give up to his 'dark side'.

Seems a bit on the nose for the Counter Force. It usually utilizes what's already available.

The point is everything goes back to the gods making a bad call.

How? It generally deploys Servants to take care of things. Sending a guardian or two, or a HS with advantage against the Shadow is the way it'll work. Unless there's a singularity or LB, they aren't cut from their empowering. It rarely contacts anyone for contracts unless that person REALLY wants to see them for a Faustian deal. Emiya and Saber desired this, so it appeared to them.

The point is that the choice of fucking things up was still taken by Arjuna.

Counter Guardians are only deployed after shit's gone completely bad.

>Shadow
I mean the Grail. Someone with a holy sword or a big dick nuke.

Giving that power to Arjuna made fucking things up inevitable. If the gods couldn't see that, it's still their fault. Plus, they basically made Arjuna a god anyway. So the one who fucked everything up was still a god.

Basically, fuck the gods.

Heroic Spirits are also part of the Counter Force, you know. Both from the planet (divinity ones) and the people.

>There's literally no invisible force that robs your free will and coaxes you to act in a way, that's proved as complete bullshit.
No one said this. It's not supposed to act that way in the first place - it's an indirect force, after all. It DOES however create various situations and coincidences surrounding select individuals to prevent certain disasters that would be detrimental to humanity from happening. Counter Guardians as explained by Archer during his rant are called in to cleanup if this goes awry because the individual's free will still does exist and can possibly deviate from it's calculations. Like said: People make choices and take actions on their own. This has consequence that often lead to death ends and the system discards them.

Jeanne's hearing the voice of God is, admittedly, debatable but the implications that it's actually the Counter Force are all over the Apocrypha LN. A good example would be Sieg. His entire life from start to finish is the Counter Force pretty much creating a tool to deal with Amakusa Shirou's keikaku and guiding situations around him to make that possible. Even he notes throughout APO that everything happening him is too coincidental to be mere coincidence if Jeanne's visions didn't tip that off, already. Sieg had choices, but he was clearly being guided a certain way the entire time and actually has a scene cut from the anime where he realizes this after fighting Fafnir(eating him) in his spirit dream shit but accepts whatever's coming since it's his fate. If he ever deviated from that by his own will, he'd likely have died many many times if APO had multiple routes and the Counter Force would have deployed guardians which only show up AFTER things have gotten bad since it doesn't usually do things on the nose that will draw attention to it's existence. Usually it doesn't bother with contracts like it did with Archer in life and just uses tailors events a certain way.

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Give best girl Sakura all the sex she wants

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While cut from the same cloth, Heroic Spirits are different from Counter Guardians though in distinctly different in function though.

B-But she'll wring me dry, user... Also I dont want to ejaculate half of my organs like Shirou.

so soft!

Finally a proper reply. Exactly this.

Depends.

Who is asking him?

If Saber, then make love to her gently in the missionary position and ejaculate inside her.

If Rin, then have her suck your dick and cum on her face and hair.

If Sakura, then slap that bitch and tell her to fuck off.

If Illya/Kuro, then leap onto her and fuck her in all three holes, impregnate her and cover her entire body with my semen.

Most based post in this thread

I thought the discussion was about emiya alter not Archer though? Two different characters.

Most cringe post in this thread

>pedos hate best girl
Not surprised

>44
Yea Forums reaction

Reddit reaction

Emiya Alter is a version of Emiya who decided to become a superhero, like Archer, but who later broke down when he decided to kill innocents for the greater good.

nah he lost it because kiara killed taiga or her son and when emiya confronted her after kiling her cult she killed herself, denying him the cathartic end he deserved

If shirou killed rin/illya, the only thing that would be able to stop the grail at that point would be shriou, he would probably be backed by the counter force at that point.

>Reddit reaction
Funny thing to say considering the blatant Reddit spacing in .

I'm actually on your side in this. But, dude, you falling for the 'Reddit Spacing' meme created by newfags kind of outs you as a newfag.

This honestly, desu.

The darksign in the background reminds me of my fav painting from the Kashmiri pic related

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This franchise should have been put to rest 10 years ago.
Just taking a look through this thread you retards might as well be talking completely out your ass.
Absolutely nobody back any of their claims with a source but your all so fucking sure in your retarded headcanon it's amazing.

This is literally every fate thread lately.
I can't even post cute pictures of Seiba without some autist wanting to discuss the logistics of the root in a boarderline /e/ thread.

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shut up saberfag

>nobody back any of their claims with a source
So the official work in of itself, supplemental info books written by the author, and various dialogue from characters from multiple works somehow isn't a source to you?
>h-headcanon
Seethe more, bitch.
>I can't even post cute pictures of Seiba
/c/ is literally a click away. make your own thread and stop being a retard, retard.

>post cute pictures of Seiba
ok

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>because kiara killed taiga or her son

Literally never said anywhere? Where the hell do you come across those crazy theories?

Just like in the dozens of bad endings where Shirou dies a horrible death, right? Good old counterforce, always on standby to give Shirou god mode and guarantee his victory.

>So the official work in of itself, supplemental info books written by the author, and various dialogue from characters from multiple works somehow isn't a source to you?
>Nasu can't even remember his own halfbaked plot points from time to time but im gonna pretend i can without citing anything

Sure thing retard.

Don't give that fag anything. We were all have a good time but he had to go and post something rude and uncalled for. He doesn't deserve your kindness senpai.

>Nasu can't even remember his own halfbaked plot points from time to time but im gonna pretend i can without citing anything

So you have no real argument and are just flinging baseless shit at this point because other anons actually have reading comprehension? Disappointing but not unexpected from a run of the mill secondary seibafag.

>Just like in the dozens of bad endings where Shirou dies a horrible death, right? Good old counterforce, always on standby to give Shirou god mode and guarantee his victory.

It's purely hypothetical. MOS is an different case because we never see Shirou die in that ending and it's not like he's not still doing what the CF needs him to do regardless in destroying the Grail one way or the other. It's entirely possible he still gets back up from it in the form of an ally or whatever. Still I concede it's purely hypothetical since we never actually get to see it play out to the end, unfortunately. Whether Shirou actually wins and destroys the grail through CF shenanigans or Kirei lies through his teeth and kills Shirou at some point, we can't know.

Yea yea dude, you are so cool for having all this backed up knowledge you can throw around that's
100% accurate because you can literally have a mental link to Nasu mind.

There's nothing wrong about being autistic for a series you like you faggot.

>Yea yea dude, you are so cool for having all this backed up knowledge you can throw around that's 100% accurate
Do... Do you just not know how reading up on shit and retaining information works?

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>post cute pictures of Seiba
Just do it, motherfucker. I akways interject her into Fate threads unprovoked

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The omniscient narrator says "Shirou Emiya will become a superhero".

Last I checked, getting murdered by a crazy priest and a crazier babylonian rapist wasn't superhero material.