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Then whats his personality?

Taking down the mafia seems to pale in comparison to defeating Aztec gods that have lived a thousand times your age with all that knowledge and experience and expertise in murdering hamon users over you.

What was his personality besides "Who am I?" into "I want to save my (sorta) mom"?

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Joseph wasn't 15 and Part 2 was longer than a week.

Part 2 is a deconstruction.

Right, he was 3 years older than Giorno, without an OP stand and defeating those who stand above vampires in power, those who lives hundreds of thousands of years with an IQ of 400.

If you describe it like that, you can make anything sound ridiculous.

Rather bizarre, isn't it?

I don't understand what your point is. Joseph was old enough and his accomplishments happened within a reasonable time period, so why bring it up?

He is a calm, stoic, serious and calculating person. At the same time, he can be righteous as is shown by his fight with Bruno. Not to mention he also carries deep loneliness from his childhood, which is shown whenever someone from the gang died. There are many other traits, but if you need me to spoonfeed you, then its better get the manga and fucking read it.

You could've just kept it simple and said he has the boring personality.

>He has no interesting dialogue or facial expressions. At the same time, his moral values change to suit Araki's mood as is shown by his fight with Bruno. Not to mention some stuff I just made up. There are no other traits, but I'm afraid of looking like an idiot, so I'll pretend that I read the manga.
Thanks.

>Joseph was old enough
Old enough for what?
>his accomplishments happened within a reasonable time period
What does a few months change when your enemies are superhuman in mind and have thousands of times more experience than you? Especially when you only train for a month before going against beings that excel in killing the masters of the art you just picked up?

But you described Bruno's.

>Old enough for what?
For defeating the pillarmen? What did you think we were talking about?
>What does a few months change when your enemies are superhuman in mind and have thousands of times more experience than you? Especially when you only train for a month before going against beings that excel in killing the masters of the art you just picked up?
It changes the difference between not being able to defeat the pillarmen and being able to defeat the pillarmen. I feel like this should have been obvious based on the context of our conversation.

Elaborate.

>old enough for defeating the pillarmen
Oh damn, I didn't realize there was an age restriction for that kind of thing. Why couldn't Lisa Lisa solo them? Lazy wench.
I guess that solves whether Jotaro could beat Kars or not.

Well, now you know.

Giorno is like a picture perfect Disney princess version of Jonathan. Both have the same ideal, a noble way to live.
Jonathan struggles, not just physically but way more important mentally too. He's vulnerable but he resists the pain and grows more resilliant as a result.
Giorno never struggles outside of stand battles which he always wins. He's never weak, never falters, never changes or learns anything. He's basically perfect and never gets the short end of the stick, he's the boring boyscout people make Jonathan out to be.

Just compare the difference in how they get first introduced. Imagining Giorno getting beaten up, or being bullied by someone more cunning who'll use every dirty advantage.
It just doesn't work Giorno always wins in a fight, never looks bad and is always the most clever and perceptive.

>dude what if you're a yakuz- I mean gangster but you're a good person who helps people
He's just that and he's perfect. No nuance, no growth, he doesn't expand his horizon, he doesn't learn through his personal struggle, he just knows.

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See

Well he is Dios son you fag

Jolyne was always the best JoJo

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Imagine asking about a character's personality and all people can talk about is his parents.

How does that make it a deconstruction? In what ways does it recontextualize the tenets of the genre it's in?

I think by part 5, Araki wanted to make a new series set in Italy but was too cowardly to do a new one so he used Jojo's brand recognition.

Giorno is a boring fucking character. They should have left the joestars out of it completely as well as Pollnareff. Just focus on Bruno and the boys. Not all of the castlevania series had a belmont in them so there is no reason every jojo series needs a jojo in it.

Part 2 doesn't take itself seriously so I can let it slide and the entire Kars fight was just batshit insane luck. Part 5 tries to be deep with all the fate shit and falls flat at the end when you realize what just happened.

Part 5 was like an awkward transitional period between the goofy early parts 1-4 and the more serious parts 6-8. It just didn't turn out well.

What do you mean no Jojo. The whole fucking point of Jojo is that it's a generation spanning story following the Joestar bloodline.

And part 5 failed to deliver that.

But he's part dio part joestar

It certainly did.
To a degree even Part 4 did I'd argue. Except it had Jotaro, so it felt more core-Jojo.

What did Part 5 have to do with the bloodline?

Joestars always get the best stands

Of families, the Pucci twins have the most broken stands

They do become joestars later on though

Look for the flat protagonist arc, you dumbass.
Not every story is about the protagonist growing, but how their actions make the world grow around them
Giorno changed Passione with his actions, by putting himself at risk in order to save others or gain their trust, and such.

Mai a name is a Giorno Gioavana, and a mai dreem is a to become a GANG-STAR

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Boring

His fans bend over backwards to deny that he's a mary sue when he absolutely is. You're allowed to like him for fuck sake but either admit he's a mary sue or agree to never call another character a mary sue again because you don't know what it actually is

Why did Giorno start out a sassy guy who does what he wants before turning into a one dimensional follower when he joins Bucciarati's gang?

>Giorno doesn't care about guis
>hurrdurr

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Hey, retards, go back to redd*t with your pleb opnions and circle jerk there, here on Yea Forums we don't tolerate NPC opinions that are parroted like crazy

No.

Loyal, compassionate, cold and calculating, honorable.

I don't give a shit if you don't like his character traits, or if he's "boring" to you.

Because he's on a mission.

>Loyal
>honorable

What's with Giorno's hair? Does he go to a bakery when he needs a haircut?

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He is fiercely loyal to his friends/allies and has a code of honor he literally kills people for violating.

>who doesn't show emotion
He sometimes gets cocky when he's in control of a situation and spergs out when he isn't. The problem isn't his personality but Araki's insistence on him being the "gold standard" of the group, which is bad when he's already introverted by nature.

>He sometimes gets cocky when he's in control of a situation and spergs out when he isn't.
When

During the fight with Mista against the Ice Freak, he started flaking out.

He's a sociopath and a badass. What's not to like?

you are not very smart

an unbreakable will fueled by his own justice

Giorno definitely have a personality: he has the benevolence of Jonathan mixed with bits of Dio's cruelty. The problem lies with the fact that the story never cared about doing much with that personality and prefered to focus on the jobros instead (Not a bad thing in itself, but it had its effect, oh well).

>sociopath
No he isn't, much of his cruelty is out of empathy and compassion, like killing Polpo because his stand killed the old bystander.

This really, after this part, Araki realized the benefit of a hero that visibly develops as the story goes on instead of just showing how they came to be in a backstory.

Then he went senile and made JoJolion

God I want to fuck Narancia and leave him like this

Actual good cosplay.

Flat protagonists arcs are fine when they have people to bounce off of in meaningful/entertaining/interesting and most importantly diverse ways. Goku works because he bounces off pretty much everyone and while he makes plenty of friends and changes people, he has different affects on the people he interacts with. Vegeta forms a rivalry with him. Gohan is inspired by and tries to be strong like him, while still keeping his life as a person intact. Piccolo still thinks he's an idiot but genuinely cares for him. Frieza wants him dead and will never stop seething. Zamasu's entire downfall as a god due to goku's thoughtless actions. etc etc. Meanwhile everyone on Giorno's team is just inspired by him, even Abacchio. I'm not one of the idiots who say literally everyone he meets loves him. Passione is just a gang of pretty nice, if eccentric dudes with exception to Abacchio. It makes sense they wouldn't go out of their way to be dicks to someone who puts their life on the line to help them out. The problem arises when he barely interacts with them outside of is mall talk and fight scenes and every single one just is inspired to walk the path of righteousness regardless of consequence. Which narratively works well to contrast with Diavolo who inspires fear and corruption in others and doesn't trust or fight alongside others unlike Giorno, but the problem again comes in when they barely interact with one another so that dichotomy falls somewhat flat. Despite my complaints, I do like Giorno, but I feel like he's was a bit mishandled overall and could easily work if Araki just bothered to give him some more meaningful interactions and diverse dynamics with his allies. Hell, make Diavolo actually the gangster that Giorno saved as a child having abandoned the ideals that inspired Giorno on his path in the first place instead of complete and utter strangers if you're not going to have them interact until the very end.

When he has that little characterization, this nugget of information is all we have to go on

**cont.

It feels like Araki got far too caught up in the themes of Part 5 and while setting up the conflicts involving them didn't build everything around those themes to give them the full weight the needed/deserved and the story as well as Giorno's character/arc which is intrinsically tied to those themes suffer greatly as a result. The plot itself is extremely tight and things happen quickly without a moment to breathe, which makes sense given the circumstances, which keeps the reader antsy on their toes making it feel suspenseful and exciting but the tightness of it gives the characters very little to no room to breathe and makes for a straightforward story that's strangled by it's own pacing which again makes everything else suffer as a result, but ahhh i'm going off on a tangent here. Sorry.

For me, he feels like a different character in the beginning and that part with Bruno. He felt cunning, manipulative, and focused but had a righteous and compassionate side with a mixed but overall strong sense of justice - believing in the freedom of others but taking advantage of the weak and keeping a cool head while analyzing others due to the abuse he suffered as a child made for an unusual but fascinating protagonist. But as the story goes on he devolves to just being 'focused and righteous'. Which is why I think the Ciocolatta beatdown is greatly loved even by people who dont like Giorno aside from the utter brutality of it, him duping Ciocalatta by buying time by spouting off bullshit about sparing him and only knocking him out if he keeps playing dead only to reveal he had no intention of letting him since the beginning feels just like the character that murdered Polpo in his cell and convinced Bruno into joining him.

He's naive, goofy, silly and kind but with a cold ruthless streak when shit gets serious. In a way he's a lot like Giorno in that she's a combination of two different people that influences his traits, but Gappy's given much more time to breath and we get to see his relationships with people like Yasuho or Norisuke, which are the most important things to him since he came into the world with nothing.

Gappy is definitely developing though, especially now that he knows his origins. His focus is again on his relationship, both with Yasuho and Holly.

Part 5's problem is that it has a core cast of seven fucking characters in a span of less than a week with a breakneck plot that involves constant danger.

A part of his personality that kind of shines through briefly in his encounter with Luca, if only connected to his counter-attack ability, is his deep respect for living things. He explicitly says that the frog he created has "nothing to do with this", and (although still warning trying to warn Luca about his ability) insists that because it has a will of its own, he can't just go around smacking it off his body.

I'm not sure if he shows this personality trait off anywhere else, however, but it's something I noticed.

To be fair he lost what little personality he had when he joined the gangstars.

>retards unironically think giorno is anything like jonathan
noone would eevn make that comparison if dio didn't have jonathans body, they're nothing alike, fuck off. giorno is a stu and good on araki for never bringing him back

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He'll be back

This. Not to mention HE FUCKING KILLS PEOPLE, Jonathan would neevr be okay with that
He's the least Dio like son out of Dio's sons, he's such a fucking non-chaaracter comparing him to anyone is a stretch. Versace had more character and growth.

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You're deluded mate, even if araki bring the old universe back he still likes josuke more

Fuck off retard, Part 8 is great.

t. blind brainlet who hates Giorno for no reasons

robust rebuttal, your counterarguments are top notch, pal

Jonathan + Dio, but watered down.

Based Versace

>this fucking meme again
he's nothing like either of them, the fact you need to compare him to someone he never knew says quite a lot about how much of a noncharacter he is. The only genuine similarity he has to dio is that he's blonde and says muda.

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He also speaks politely, has an ambition to rise in the world (on the dark side of society, at least), and is ruthless. He's not literally this or that, but traits are there.

*at that

That's almost nothing in comparison to his brothers in part 6.

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Because he's ultimately his own character, as opposed to a bunch of literally who gives a shits.

No, he has nothing that defines him other than those couple very vaguely dio-like things. 6 brandos are just better at being Brandos than this goof.

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That's exactly why cioccolata got a seven page punch rush.

I don't get the argument that he's like Jonathan and Dio. He's much more like Jonathan and nothing like Dio. He does righteous things because he doesn't want anyone to suffer which is the core of Jonathan's character. Differences between Jonathan and Giorno are: that Giorno never develops since he's already like that from start; Giorno thinks that ends justify the means and is willing to kill while Jonathan only killed zombies; Jonathan wants to become knight-like persona who saves people while Giorno wants to control mafia to save people. But here's where people miss the mark. He is nothing like Dio. Cruelty isn't strong enough character trait on it's own for you all to connect two characters. People misunderstand Dio all the fucking time and I'm thankful Araki gave us part 7 where Diego's character becomes fleshed out and explains even part 1's Dio. Dio wants to harm everyone else because of his terrible childhood and upbringing. Before he ended up with Joestars he was already beyond salvation. At that point Dio already doesn't care about other people because no one was there to help him when he needed it. Now he doesn't care about helping others and actually wants other people to suffer in cruelest of ways. I think Dio shares Diego's part 7 wish of paying back the whole world for his own suffering childhood until Dio in part 1 finds the mask. From that point on he becomes devoid of his past, motives and reason (except the only thorns in his eyes, the Joestars). He becomes drunk with his own power and the idea that he can finally eradicate his only nemesis. Keep in mind that all this came from choosing to get revenge on the world for shitty upbringing while Giorno chose to help the world instead. He's nowhere near drunk on his own power and nowhere near egocentric as Dio, and the only trait they share is that Giorno accepts that he has to kill for his ideals, which Dio also does but let's not forget that Dio has none until part 6 retcons.

The Dio bits are his stoicism and cold calculating behavior. Jonathan was much more emotional.

t. typical part 5 loving fag

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>dio
>stoic
retard

People would talk about how similar Giorno and Bruno are and it's pretty true. Giorno is the hero of the story but Bruno is functionally a protagonist in his own right. He's the leader of the group, the ones everyone is organically drawn to, the one who gives a shit about Trish. Giorno has "charisma" and "resolve" and when he's not slinking in the background, he'll hop forward to shout "I am the hero of the story!" I think Bruno already works fine as the moral center of the group and is in a better position for it too.

The bedrock of Giorno's character is fine but something should have been done with it. Instead of pre-establishing that he's already on the righteous path and so much better than his vampire dad already, make it a journey to becoming gangster Robin Hood. He starts off as a talented punk with ambition for power but it's for its sake, because shitty childhood. His talent and strong resolve to succeed catch Bruno's eye, but Bruno also sees that there is a noble goodness to him and wants to place his bets on Giorno. Giorno does not see this in himself initially but does silently takes a shining to Bruno as the first person to reach out his hand to him (though his early rationale is that Bruno and the group are just a means to an end). This would put Giorno on level with the rest of Passione and proving himself to them won't be a matter of "You guys are just too stupid to see how great Giorno is", but Giorno really is a smooth talking asshole that's only out for himself at first and has to develop relationships with them throughout their adventure and they come to believe in each other.

But yeah, I think the ideals are something he could have gotten from Bruno. Like, Bruno has the ideals but only doesn't believe he can change anything until he meets Giorno. Giorno has talent and resolve but could become another asshole without the right direction. Meh, do what you will with this fanfiction. What a way to spend a birthday.

*but doesn't really believe he can change anything

>Bruno has the ideals but only doesn't believe he can change anything until he meets Giorno.
This was so hilariously abrupt to me and makes no sense. What is preventing Bruno from slowly gaining more status within the organization as it is? The people in his group trust and admire him (altho this is a whole other can of worms since it basically comes off as him recruiting kids off the streets into a criminal organization and the story treats it as something virtuous) and he's known them for quite some time meanwhile he gets an epiphany after one talk with the plot device character that is Giorno. Wouldn't the others also be on board with getting rid of the drugs or whatever? Or do they like their cushy mafia lives? What is the deal with these characters? Shit contradicts itself at every turn.

I'd personally completely get rid of the drug angle, not only is it hypocritical, it's just stupid in the context of this universe and a lazy motive overall. Passione needs to be structured differently because it also makes absolutely no sense in how it works. And Diavolo needs a better shtick as the antagonist than a very messy Dio/Kira cross with YET ANOTHER time-fuckery power which is baseless in the context of some sort of mafia. Heck, give him an active relationship towards the protagonist, so that Giorno can have some actual personal stakes, maybe that can tie into the whole son of Dio angle to be relevant to the story somehow, maybe the boss had some business ties to his dad in the past, whatever.
Either way, I feel VA needs a completely different story in order to make better use of its good concepts and the setting. It's my least favourite part yet the one I consider to have the biggest potential.

I always took him as the same type of character as Jonathan, one that represents an ideal and just like Jonathan, falls flat.
I always saw his Jonathan/Dio duality as defying fate. As Jonathan and Dio were brought together to fight for eternity by fate, their union is an unrelenting force that can change fate. And this force is what inspires other characters to follow suit and change fate.
At least that's how I see it, it makes Giorno a boring character like Jonathan, but thematically he really stands out by those reasons.

Giorno is more similar to Josuke than either Jonathan or Dio.

Not really. Josuke acts like a teenager, Giorno acts like a sociopath

Versace was the only good minor villain in part 6

Along with Rykiel, Miumiu, Johngalli A, Lang Wrangler, Miraschon, Westwood, and Sports Max,

How do brainlets still manage to get it wrong? It's precisely the opposite, with Jonathan influences being marginal to the core of his caracter.
>At that point Dio already doesn't care about other people because no one was there to help him when he needed it
That's the main difference between them, since Giorno had his unnamed gangster moment. Without it, he would've most likely followed in Dio's footsteps, as that's what his childhood hinted at.
And even after that, he's a stealing, cheating sociopath who can kill people without qualms, and whose main purpose is becoming #1 in mafia, with ending drug trade being an additional motivation.
Neither his ambition, nor his general attitude are anything like Jonathan's.
Giorno is literally the best possible version of Dio.

And why did Bruno change from a quirky and antagonizing asshole to an unemotional and strict leader? Because Araki can't write for shit after Part 4

Every time I read a post like this I truly wonder if whoever wrote it has actually seen any jojo

>mary sue
Giorno is probably one of the weakest protags in the show, probably because he isn't actually a Jojo. He got fucked so many times that he barely even did anything. He was ultimately just very, very lucky and good at figuring things out.

>Bucci: only survived because Bucci didn't actually want to kill him
>Zucchero: Giorno does basically nothing while Bucci and Abbacchio figure it out
>Sale: Mista does everything
>Formaggio: Narancia does everything
>Illuso: Giorno was only able to do anything because he got lucky, if things turned out slightly poorer he would've continued staring at a mirror like a fucking retard while the opponent got away
>Prosciutto and Pesci: He deduces the power really quickly, and then becomes old and does nothing
>Melone: This fight was pure retardation, I'll give you this one
>Ghiaccio: Mista and Giorno contributed about equally, both would have been fucked without the other
>Squalo and Tiziano: Giorno is incapacitated almost immediately, Narancia does everything
>Notorious BIG: Giorno got fucked almost immediately and would have died if not for Bucci, Mista and Trish
>Cioccolata: He figures it out quickly, but didn't stand a chance without Mista backing him up
>Diavalo: They don't even really fight, Giorno figures out his power and then the gang kind of fucks around for a few minutes with an arrow and by chance it ends up with Giorno

Imagine dickriding the shittiest part of an anime

lmao the sole fact that people are split between two complete polar opposites about what his ""personality"" is supposed to be shows that he has none at all

>t. brainlet

I mean, you've seen 4 right? How many complete shitheads get punched in the face and then become nice people. Fuck have you seen part 1? Do you not remember speedwagon? Do you have alzheimers?

This whole thread is about Giorno having absolutely no personality after Koichi leaves so how is Bruno any different? Also those characters you’re talking about are minor and barely have any screentime for their personality changes to even matter

I wouldn't say he became unemotional, like Giorno he just became more focused on the goal of attaining status to overthrow the boss. He was actually very emotional, but pushed it down to make logical decisions to keep himself from making mistakes and getting his team or himself killed, but his emotions still shone through from time to time like his disgust for Pesci after the later abandons his resolve and subtle moments he's kind and protective of his gang members. That all goes out the window when Diavolo tries to kill Trish and the feeling of betrayal he felt when discovering the mafia he worked for stooped to the same lows as those who tried to murder his father and his rage made him act illogical leading to him trying to kill the boss right then and there and essentially ruining him and Giorno's plan. And of course he ends up getting killed for this, and now his squad is endangered by coming with him, which he's happy for and he holds true to feeling he did what was right and wont/cant go back on it now but at the same time he's all the more determined to try and not let his emotions cloud his judgment like that again since he got a good taste of the consequences already. The fact he knows he's a corpse with a limited amount of time doesn't help either. Bit of headcanon but I think he's trying to make it as painless for his men as possible when that time finally runs out too and he only fessed up about it to Giorno when the other figured it out on his own. His strictness is just him taking the entire situation extremely seriously and in a way, you could say he just slipped back into that mindset he had as a kid stuffing down his emotions to try and protect his loved ones. Bruno is the best written and most fleshed out member of Passione by such a wide margin it's not even funny.

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Well I guess that answers my first question, the kind of person that makes these posts is just retarded.

>Bruno is the best written and most fleshed out member of Passione by such a wide margin it's not even funny
He's essentially a deuteragonist.
Note that he:
>never shares a fight with Giorno
>all the enemies he faces, he does so alone

He has none.

>No argument
Just fuck off and never come back

this is the smartest post in the thread, this guy gets it

Yeah change your personality for the mission not when you’re goofing off with your group away from danger. Even in the flashback he was acting like a no nonsense strict fucker when his introduction into the series was an entirely different character from licking dudes to suddenly chastising his followers all the time

He barely interacted with the MC for fucks sake. Also he’s anything but well written when he’s not only working for the same guy he despises but he’s okay with assassination, theft, murder, rape, trafficking, and other illegal activities

Fuck you Giorno! I don't like you because....Fuck you!

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nigga was just mad jelly

Thinking on it more, I would argue it's not that he that he changed his personality for the mission but rather he did so specifically for his interrogation with Giorno. Go back to the scene and really pay attention to the way he's acting it's obvious he's putting on this friendly, eccentric, and somewhat creepy act to try and catch Giorno offguard and get him to spill about what happened to Luca but the moment he actually starts actually trying to pressure him seeing that Giorno is a smooth-talker and can keep his cool under pressure, he immediately goes into no-nonsense mode and is very direct and upfront about the issue and never deviates from that behavior for the rest of Vento Aureo.
Which makes sense for him being leader of Passione when, with the likes Mista(wierdo), Narancia(bratty, reckless dumbass) , Fugo(calm and mature, but homicidally violent when he snaps), and (occasionally) Abbachio(all-around dick that joins in on Mista and Narancia's antic, pisses in teacups) he needs to be strict to reign them in as well as he's able to.

>when he’s not only working for the same guy he despises but he’s okay with assassination, theft, murder, rape, trafficking, and other illegal activities

Why do people assume this when nothing indicates he's okay with any of this, in fact everything we know about him and see him do points to the opposite being the case. He only joined the organization out of necessity to protect his father. We even learn early in Vento Aureo on he looks out for the people in his city and constantly protects them from being exploited or hurt when he can(see his reaction to learning the old woman was getting abused by her son and promising to set him straight). He's fucking livid when he learns Trish was going to be murdered by her own father. The only time he's shown to be okay with assassination and murder is for literal pieces of shit - Luka, mooks who tried to kill his dad, Diavolo, etc etc.

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He's the leader of his little gang not Passione

What? I never said
>Which makes sense for him being leader of Passione...
FUCK.
Okay but you know what I meant.

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based abacc

>Why do people assume this when nothing indicates he's okay with any of this, in fact everything we know about him and see him do points to the opposite being the case. He only joined the organization out of necessity to protect his father. We even learn early in Vento Aureo on he looks out for the people in his city and constantly protects them from being exploited or hurt when he can(see his reaction to learning the old woman was getting abused by her son and promising to set him straight). He's fucking livid when he learns Trish was going to be murdered by her own father. The only time he's shown to be okay with assassination and murder is for literal pieces of shit - Luka, mooks who tried to kill his dad, Diavolo, etc etc.
He's still in the mafia. His job is to commit crimes for money. Just because he does nice things for old ladies doesn't erase his contributions to the degeneration of society.

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I feel like Araki innovated with part 7 a lot and learned a bunch of lessons, and then just forgot them all for part 8 and just made more of part 3-6

Even Jotaro had more of a personality than the talking pile of oatmeal called Giorno

SBR took forever to get started, is full of unceremoniously dropped characters getting underwhelming endings because Araki literally got sick of writing about them, and the main villains backstory that people think is so deep and magical and amazing is lifted directly from Pulp Fiction. Lucy did nothing but gibber and cry in all of the many chapters she was in and the comic ended as soon as she started being tolerable. Hot Pants may as well have been killed off-screen, I didn't even know she'd died the first time I read it. Diego's memory was soured by shitty alternate Diego. I bet none of them read any of it as it came out, either, and don't understand the misery of two fucking years of Valentine.

I like how part 7 started but I hope Araki doesn't commit the same mistake with part 8's main cast as he did with part 7's. The treatment Sandman got is arguably the most retarded thing he's ever written.

Plus Spin was utter trash, glad he ditched it.

He was still being a smug fucker when he was running away and no one that eccentric and weird is going to change that quickly otherwise he would’ve been shitting on his enemies in a humiliating fashion. You also bring up Trish when he only cared about the pussy, the parallel with his father, and drugs

And just because he looks after old bitches doesn’t mean he isn’t doing illegal and gruesome shit for Passione since all he and Giorno kept worrying about was the drug bullshit not the other horrific deeds gangs are obviously doing. That’s why Part 5 is the worse part in the series because the main cast are just delusional sociopaths pretending they’re good men

Don't get me wrong, Bruno's no saint but he's not a devil either. He's a victim of circumstances. He had no choice but to go to the mafia as a kid, the law wouldn't protect him or his father, and he developed a warped view that his gang was justice despite committing various crimes. But inwardly was disillusioned by the things he had to do and his hatred of drugs makes sense as it's what led him and his father into the situation they were in, his father dying due to wounds from just happening to witness a drug trade and Bruno having to commit murder and crimes for the organization even if it was likely just moving money, intimidate/beat pushers out of their territory(or kill them if need be), and having to 'take care of' people at the boss's orders He still had very strong morals but had to betray them constantly while working within the mafia. While he never did anything to DIRECTLY harm innocent people, he still felt the weight of his sins but continued doing so because he believed it was right, learning the boss allowed for the selling of drugs that ruined so many lives including his own was got the gears turning inside to betray Diavolo to begin with but he still had a distorted loyalty because his father and him would have been long dead if it weren't for the gang he worked for. It's the source of his internal conflict until he meets Giorno and is inspired to work with him to overthrow Diavolo and change the organization in order to set things right.

That's why his final line to Giorno carries so much weight: I came back to life. Back then, in my hometown… when I met you in Naples… when I betrayed the gang. I had been dying, slowly, gradually; but my heart was resurrected… thanks to you(no homo).”

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>I am giorno
>I look up to giorno
>I look up to giorno
>I look up to giorno
>I hate giorno
>I leave the show halfway through
was passione the worst main gang yet?

>I am Jolyne
>I am Jolyne's dad
>I collect stand users because fuck Whitesnake
>I like Jolyne and absent for 1/3 of the part
>I like Jolyne and dies halfway through the part
>I'm amnesiac and bored
>I want to fuck Jolyne

>so his name is Giorno Giovanna he is a JoJo but he is different because it's spelled GioGio also he is 15yo and the youngest JoJo and he is the son of Dio and is the only son who isn't retarded and also is a Joestar and he was born japanese but he moved to italy and his hair changed color and everybody likes him and his stand is golden and he can punch and say muda and also create life and also you can't hit what he creates or else you will be hurt too and also he can punch you and make you feel pain super slowly and also he can heal anything even himself and also he is chosen by the stand arrow and can reset literally every power and he wants to become a gangstar and he will and he is the boss

Part 1:
>I am jojo
>I worship mr.jojo
>I teach jojo sun karate
>I'm some random kid
>I'm irrelevant
>I'm irrelevant
>I'm also irrelevant and i'm gonna be an irrelevant bad guy and try to kill everyone in part 2 because i dont want to get old

Part 2:
>I'm best JoJo and I'm going to literally carry this entire plot
>I'm black and I like Joseph
>I hate Joseph, no wait I like Joseph, no I hate him again and then I die
>I'm Joseph's mom and I literally do nothing of relevance beyond throwing him in a pit

Part 3:
>I'm Jotaro and I have no personality
>I also have no personality
>I also have no personality
>I should have been the protagonist
>I'm a dog
>I'm still best JoJo but old as shit now

Part 4:
>I'm Josuke and have no arc, motivation, or discernible traits beyond being autistic over my hair
>I'm stupid and wont do anything after my arc besides punch my brother's killer in a comical way and save Josuke by coming back to life somehow
>I'm a manlet and suck up all the development Josuke should have had and fuck yanderes

You tried, but all of these are still better than Part 5

seethe more lol

We can all agree that Part 7 is the best part, right?

He wanted to beat the big bad guy who is bad and take his place to... uhm, well, we've never got to that part.

>He was still being a smug fucker when he was running away
He was serious when he ran away because he wasn't going to fuck around with Giorno anymore after seeing what GE could do. Smirking one time while using his stand to hide in a group of people isn't any indication of someone being a smug fuck. That's like Jonathan is a smug fuck because he smirks when he starts pulling the dude who tackled him in rugby or when he outsmarts Dio during their final fight. It's just expressing one's confidence despite a bad situation.

>and no one that eccentric and weird is going to change that quickly
You're seriously overselling his eccentricness in the interrogation scene, he talks to Giorno like an adult would a child and pretends like he's not a threat until he actually figures out Giorno was lying with the sweat shit and immediately gets serious
>otherwise he would’ve been shitting on his enemies in a humiliating fashion.
See his fight with Pesci and Secco. It's toned down but he still utterly shits on them but it makes sense for it to be toned down since he's never really shown to be a cocky shit to begin with.
>You also bring up Trish when he only cared about the pussy, the parallel with his father, and drugs
>just because he looks after old bitches...
Holy mother of speedreading, Bruno committed crimes as a member of Passione, yes, but is also established to be a man who cares about people and hates the innocent taken advantage of. He hates what the gang is. What it's done to his life and the people in his city and wants to change it. If he didn't care about Trish he'd have no problem with Diavolo killing her wouldn't have bothered comforting her so many times over the course of his guarding her. It's also the fact she's an innocent person who has nothing to do with the gang shit at all but Diavolo's still willing to fucking murder her just to cover his own ass. Stop trying to whittle characters down to fit your black and white narrative.

i'm not seething, I'm just pointing out how retarded it is to shave characters down to their most shallow descriptions
I don't even like part 5's gang that much but I can't stand when people do this shit

tell me what character does abbachio have at first glance, without mentioning his background

I got this one. Smug, confrontational prick but usually keeps to himself, isn't above getting into bantz with friends and joining in on some shenanigans, values his allies but his trust and fondness isn't earned easily, doesn't take well to outsider or people who don't respect authority/fellow directions. Is best girl.

wow i guess that really is all there is to his character thanks for proving my point

He was a petty thief for a little bit. Doesn't mind killing fuckers he doesn't like. Has a dream. That's about it. Sorry if Giorno's not a meme fest like Joseph, OP.

Pissing in teacups.

>first thing Giorno does is slurping his piss with a smile on his face, mantaining eye contact
nigga he fucking gay

>tells me to explain character at first glance
>'d-dont mention his extremely background that informs and fleshes out the traits of his character though (ha ha I got him)"
>still gets btfo
>seethes
>dilates
>cannot cope
>'n-no that doesn't count...'
Guess how I know you're retarded?

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tbf, everyone in Part 5 is gay. Except, ironically, Diavolo. Canonically the only character in the part that got pussy.

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>'d-dont mention his extremely background that informs and fleshes out the traits of his character though (ha ha I got him)"
Oh, yeah, that dramatic rainy flashback gave a lot of depth to his character as opposed to shitty restaurant flashbacks gang members C, D and F received.

It's not nice to make fun of the intellectually challenged

No. Not it is not.

It is, however, fucking hilarious.

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I don’t know why you’re dickriding a shit character so much. Dude just wanted some pussy and to stop the drug trade and Diavolo wasn’t having that so he rocked his shit twice which resulted in his shit getting rocked for all of eternity

Now if that isn’t karma for a gang leader doing stupid shit he knows he shouldn’t be doing then I don’t know what to tell you kid

Giorno sucks.

How does this contradict what i said? Though i do disagree with a few points i'm not claiming that part 7 has no flaws, i'm just saying that part 7 deviated a lot from the traditional formula, which was good, but then Araki didn't keep some of the good changes. For instance i liked the horse race setting as it made sure that the plot constantly had high stakes, urgency and creative fights, all the while constantly changing the scenery more so than other parts, i liked having guns finally be useful and the concept of spin as viable non-stand powers, i liked there being less punching ghost stands and far more usually less powerful stands like Oh lonesome me, that all had to be used creatively while involving the characters more in the fighting, i liked the protagonist actually having real character arcs and more personal goals and i liked the main crew being smaller but more intimate.

>'dramatic rainy flashback'
>Not mentioning he was once a young, idealistic police officer, but his sense of justice was solely eroded by the society who he had sworn to protect.
>Not mentioning this erosion was caused by citizens committed crimes, then blamed the police for not doing enough, and criminals were able to pay for their release to avoid punishment.
>Not mentioning when he accepted a bribe from a pimp to pay out a prostitutes' debt, figuring that they would just post bail later even if he did arrest them.
No mention of the one night he found the same pimp attempting to escape from a robbery, who shot at Abbacchio leading to his partner getting killed
>Not mentioning that how this severely affected him and explains all his traits in the present
>Not realizing that Stands are the reflection of the Soul.
>Not realizing Moody Blues is a built-in guilt trap for Abbacchio, who is eternally hating himself for what he did in the past. He's caught up in the past that his Stand is built around it. It only shows what happened in the past, almost as if to taunt him.
>Not realizing every main character in Vento Aureo is written with this level of depth so I just as easily dismantle your 'shitty restaurant flashbacks' claim and humiliate you further if I wanted to
>Being such a brainlet with hopelessly shallow and narrow perspective you can only interpret things in the most shallow ways so you just shit on things to sound like you know what you're talking about
>Also literally no fucking argument

I would seriously reccomend you stop talking, it makes you sound stupid.

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>No argument
>Unable to cope with this
>Interprets analysis of a character motivations as 'dickriding'
>Seethes and goes full retard after getting btfo so hard
>'I-I don't know what to tell you kid'

I'm well aware you dont.
Don't worry. I used to be 14 too. I understand, man. You want some tea? Careful, it's hot.

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The amount of grasping at straws VAfags do never ceases to amaze.
>That all goes out the window when Diavolo tries to kill Trish and the feeling of betrayal he felt when discovering the mafia he worked for stooped to the same lows as those who tried to murder his father and his rage made him act illogical
But he WORKS for the same fucking mafia AND already detests their drug practices(but that's the only issue I guess, to kiddies specifically) but only NOW the line is crossed? And the people who tried to murder his father weren't gang members, just some random asses. The only reason he spergs out at Diavolo's utterly retarded attempt at killing Trish right in front of him is because they shove his sob story RIGHT before to try and emotionally manipulate you. But it makes no sense. There's absolutely no reason why he wouldn't know about the drug trade from the beginning since we find out from Polnareff that has been going on since the gang's inception.
>and now his squad is endangered by coming with him, which he's happy for and he holds true to feeling he did what was right
Yea, by not telling them squat before and betting everything on some rando kid he had one conversation with which only revealed that he TOO doesn't like drugs being sold to kids, holy shit what a revelation! We're told they're a close-knit team but they hardly talk about anything OR make plans. Wouldn't the rest of his gang, his supposed friends, want to rid the place of drugs or not? But these characters just stumble into everything and things just fall into their laps conveniently.

Giorno Giovanna is a slut. He isn't just any run-of-the-mill cumslut either, he actively tries to service every man in Italy. Nothing makes him happier than feeling cock fill his throat and cum spurt into his stomach. Giorno would do anything to please a stronger and more capable man, especially the members of Passione. Giorno Giovanna's dream is to be tied down in Piazza del Plebiscito completely naked, free for the Italian public to use in any way they see fit.

You can just feel the rage when he reached DiU

Based seetheposter.

Man, pre-part 5 Jojo sucked.

Intelligent, nihilistic, and with a wicked sense of humor.

...

looks like the kind of guy that pulls epic pranks on people like making them drink his piss haha

What was his dream again?

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Impregnating Mista.

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>VAfags
I refuse to believe they honestly exist. Even if, like me, you have things you genuinely like about it and can defend as a whole it's fundamentally flawed and one of the weaker parts. It's a guilty pleasure at best with some hype moments but mostly squandered potential.
Also
>things that are shown to us in the way a character acts, feels, says, and behaves is grasping at straws now.
This is why no one takes VAshitters seriously either. Shit like this.
The obviously line was crossed waaaaaay back, but he felt he couldn't do anything about it and was rotting away emotionally until meeting Giorno. He loses his shit because for all the shitty things Diavolo does trying to murder his own daughter who knows nothing of him and is a complete innocent unrelated to the gang outside of his blood just to make sure he stays absolutely anonymous to the world is something his already strong morality wont let him ignore nor forgive. They were already pushing drugs thanks to Diavolo but killing Trish, to him, is just like the guys who tried to kill his father who was completely innocent and unrelated to their drug trade just because he happened to witness. Which is why he spergs out. Bruno didn't know about the drugs because the territory he operated in was supposed to expressly forbid them(He says this and the gangster who saved Giorno says this). Which isn't exactly uncommon for mobsters even IRL.
>Yea, by not telling them squat before and betting everything on some rando kid...
There was no reason to tell them and telling them might've endangered them early on considering their personalities aren't exactly logical and calculated and it's likely they wouldn't have been on board with him betraying the fucking mafia for some strange reason. It's easy to see why he didn't. Giorno also expressed not only the selling of drugs but a desire to stop the person who would stoop to doing something so low, which Bruno also wants desperately but lets him know-
**cont

ngl part 1-3 were for shits and giggles but part 4 genuinely rustles my jimmies for a lot of reasons.

>**cont
Yikes

>Yikes
Yikes

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-that he'll let Giorno fucking drown if it comes down to it if what he's planning gets discovered. Whether he meant it or not is up for the debate but that's not important in the grand scheme of things. The point is Giorno's the only person who expressed this shared disgust unlike his gang who he didn't want to let in on the plan at all because he wanted to protect them if shit went astray for any reason. It's why he's willing to leave them behind during the boat scene and it takes Giorno to tell him to explain himself to the others to see if they'd be onboard with going with him at all.
>But these characters just stumble into everything and things just fall into their laps conveniently.
Agreed. But this is true for all of jojos if we're being honest and if I'm gonna get pissed at part 5 for it I'd have to for every other part too. Either all of it is okay or none of it's okay.
>Part 1: Dio gets mask. Zeppeli literally shows up out of nowhere to teach Jonathan hamon.
Part 2: Do I really have to get into everything here? Honestly.
Part 3: Star Platinum having eyes so good it can spot a fucking fly on a grainy ass picture and avdol just happens to know where that fly comes from
Part 4: Koichi's powerfups. Kira with the arrow. Ghost girl. Kira dropping a button.
Part 5: Bruno meeting Giorno. Polnareff with the Requiem arrow right when they need it.
Haven't gotten around to reading parts 6-8 yet but you get the point

test

Was bumping this thread just for that really necessary?

>no one will stop my ambition
>i will rise to the top
>things will be best if i am running the show

>Sorry if Giorno's not a meme fest like Joseph, OP

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Wasn't it explained that he didn't like Giorno because he seemed really suspicious? His cop instincts told him that something was up with Giorno, and there was -- he secretly wanted to take over Passione.

>Wasn't it explained that he didn't like Giorno because he seemed really suspicious?
Was it? I don't remember that being said.

Always thought it was he saw some of his old self in Giorno's ways and it only got worse as things went along

I think Giorno is the only Joestar to promise they would let their enemy live if they surrendered when the same enemy is already doomed to die from a slow-acting mechanism. Most Joestars would refuse to forgive a thoroughly evil person, the Joestars aren't that nice, but they generally don't lie about it. It's slightly scummy to pretend to be willing to spare their life. It wasn't even a half-lie by omission or tricky wording, just a false claim.

You can really tell Araki got molested at the doctor's again when he wrote Cioccolata.

>The most powerful stand user in the world is a teenage sociopath who judges people for being good or not to his arbitrary morality scale, while he himself lies and steals and extorts for his living and idolizes a murderer
>He has the power to send someone into a eternity of suffering and death, infinite times

Was part 5 supposed to be a bad ending? Sort of like "better the Devil you know"? Diavolo was a scumbag but no one was getting condemned to the endless hell that he went through at the end. That shit has always gotten to me though, the idea of being trapped in a seemingly infinite hell.

Fuck Giorno, hope the faggot gets JUST'd in the new world.

Part 5 would be much better if Araki had intentionally written it that way instead of pretending that Giorno is the good guy.

>Drugs are bad but human trafficking is okay

>Nose ring
What a way to ruin such a good cosplay.

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I didn't even notice it.

I wasn't starring at her nose, dude. And it's not like that's out of character for Jolyne. If nose rings were more popular in the early 2000's, Araki would've probably given her one

I'd rather have that nose ring than that cow shit that's so popular right now

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Versace and Pucci are what Giorno and Diavolo's dynamic should have been

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Part 5's ending is pretty nihilistic in some ways. Three men died to kill a self-destructive man, for some business that wasn't really that personal to them. They defied the chance at a comfortable life and dove headfirst into the fate of most gangsters because Giorno wanted to be a gang leader and because Buccellati wanted to protect Trish. There was no one Buccellati's gang had to avenge, like Jonathan, Holly, Shigechi or Reimi, they had no beef with the boss, or at least no grudge they would act on, until Giorno met them and necessitated their fatal mission by killing Polpo. The Hitman Team, the ones who had good reason to be after the boss's head, were nearly all killed to progress the boss's orders further. They had no effect on Trish making it to the boss and weren't the reason Buccellati went turncoat. Risotto died to be a stepping stone toward Abbacchio figuring out the boss's identity and dying. Even Diavolo's guards were somewhat tragic, all dying to protect a don who in all likelihood (confirmed in Cioccolata and Secco's case) didn't care about them. Carne especially, who walked into suicide to fail at bringing the group's doom.

At the end, all but one of the members have either died or defected, a chain of casualties beginning with Luca and ending with Buccellati. Mista, in his loyalty to his superior, will eventually allow Giorno to replace Buccellati in his heart. A new gang will be built with Diavolo sent into a physical everlasting hell to match his long standing mental one, and a group of people Giorno only recently met will have died for his advancement.

All of this is part of God’s will. Pray to god and you’ll go to heaven.

Which seiyuu do you guys want to voice Jolyne?

eyes of heaven one was pitch perfect

Well, it's unlikely that Sawashiro is coming back for the anime so pick someone else.

God, I was fine when it was just Jonathan and Joseph. I was fine when it was just Jotaro and I was waiting for part 4. I was even fine with Josuke all the way to part 5. But with part 5 over I am SO impatient for Jolyne. I'm already just going over all the moments I can't wait to see in my head.

I love that "nigga, what?" look Pucchi has there. I love how even as stone faced as he is you can tell Versace is backpeddling hard.

>encounter with Luca
The last time we see his reflection ability and character development.

"I WANT TO BE A [GANG-STAR] HAHA"

fucking cringe my dude
thank god this p5 shit is finally over
now we just have to endure the slog that is 6 before this series gets good again.

The 3 month period of the Maximum Security arc into Yo Yo Ma is going to be so painful

Kinda gay

>then its better get the manga and fucking read it.
Someone hasn't read the manga.
It's fucking worse

Nothing. He's the worst JoJo. It makes sense before chapter 50 because he doesn't know who he is, but after that there's no excuse.

>Gappy is definitely developing though, especially now that he knows his origins.
He's known his origins for like half the manga now. Jack shit has happened since then.

>What's preventing Bruno from gaining power and status
Because it was established that not any shmuck can become a capo. You need to make huge contribution to Passion in order to attain that position and even then there would be 0 ways to track the boss.
Besides not every goddam Passione member wants to become the boss, there's people like Pericolo who would gladly commit suicide for Diavolo and others are too scared because the Diavolo and his elite fucking guards are going to chop up your body and mail it in glass.
The only reason Bruno got anywhere near Diavolo in canon is because of Trish, if he tried to take over Passion without Trish he would be dead and Giorno would have to fight a war against Passione by himself or die assassination.
>The story treats recruiting kids off the streets into criminal organizations as virtuous
Okay speedreader completely ignore that Abbachio and Mista were already adults, Fugo, was already a criminal who murdered his professor (Keep in mind in the manga, Fugo's professor was an innocent person, DP messed up Fugo's character) and Narancia purposely sought out to join Bruno AFTER Bruno told him to fuck off.
Bruno's gang were all criminals and it would have been very unlikely they would have been able to gain jobs so Bruno affords them one.
Bruno's nobility is shown espicially in SS arc, when Bruno is ordered to assassinate Giorno, Fugo offers to due it but Bruno decides to do it himself, this shows Bruno wouldn't order his mind to become mindless assassins (La Squadra is self-defense against psychotic stand users so it doesn't count)
>Wouldn't the others be on board with getting rid of drugs or do they like their cushy mafia life?
Holy shit there's literally a scene explaining their motivations.
youtube.com/watch?v=TSZ8dBHS67U
youtube.com/watch?v=Ch89LTMFJnY
>Shit contradicts itself at every turn
S P E E D R E A D E R

Cringe

>Drug angle
Bruno never sold any drugs, he was tricked into believing Passione were the heroes. The romanticized version of the mafia.

His dad was nearly killed and targetted by gangs because of the drug trade so of course, Bruno is going to associate drugs with misfortunate. In the end, all of his efforts were for nothing as his dad passed away anyway.
It wasn't just drugs, it was him releasing that he was being tricked for his entire life into working for criminals.
Giorno is okay with drugs, it's the act of earning profit from selling drugs to minors that is bad.
>Time-fuckery power which is baseless
The point of the story was to change fate with your resolve. To have the will to pursue the truth because if you only aim for the results then you'll lose sight of yourself and only take Shortcuts.
Diavolo's power is to take a shortcut, to be free of all consequences of the world and only leave his result on the world. It's perfect for the themes of Vento Auro.
>Tie in the Son of Dio angle
>yet the one I consider to have the biggest potential
I agree with this, Giorno being Dio's son was severely underutilized. Hell it would have been sick of during the beginning of Requiem plays quietly arc Giorno manages to get to Polnareff first but Polnareff's PTSD kicks in and he refuses to give the arrow to Giorno. This leads to Diavolo getting enough time to sneak into the colosseum. Then when Polnareff realizes he fucked up Diavolo had already Narancia and Polnareff stabs the arrow into Silver Chariot.
Or make it so it was a Dio follower Pucci that saved Giorno and brainwash him into thinking Dio is a hero who saved the world from the evil Jonathon Joestar. That motivates Giorno into becoming Dio 2.0 and start an empire to save the world from the Speedwagon foundation that has pracically become the Illuminati. Imagine Giorno having a mental breakdown when he realizes that Dio is a villain oh god it would have been so good!

>Drug angle
Bruno never sold any drugs, he was tricked into believing Passione were the heroes. The romanticized version of the mafia.

His dad was nearly killed and targetted by gangs because of the drug trade so of course, Bruno is going to associate drugs with misfortunate. In the end, all of his efforts were for nothing as his dad passed away anyway.
It wasn't just drugs, it was him releasing that he was being tricked for his entire life into working for criminals.
Giorno is okay with drugs, it's the act of earning profit from selling drugs to minors that is bad.
>Time-fuckery power which is baseless
The point of the story was to change fate with your resolve. To have the will to pursue the truth because if you only aim for the results then you'll lose sight of yourself and only take Shortcuts.
Diavolo's power is to take a shortcut, to be free of all consequences of the world and only leave his result on the world. It's perfect for the themes of Vento Auro.
>Tie in the Son of Dio angle
>yet the one I consider to have the biggest potential
I agree with this, Giorno being Dio's son was severely underutilized. Hell it would have been sick of during the beginning of Requiem plays quietly arc Giorno manages to get to Polnareff first but Polnareff's PTSD kicks in and he refuses to give the arrow to Giorno. This leads to Diavolo getting enough time to sneak into the colosseum. Then when Polnareff realizes he fucked up Diavolo had already Narancia and Polnareff stabs the arrow into Silver Chariot.
Or make it so it was a Dio follower Pucci that saved Giorno and brainwash him into thinking Dio is a hero who saved the world from the evil Jonathon Joestar. That motivates Giorno into becoming Dio 2.0 and start an empire to save the world from the Speedwagon foundation that has pracically become the Illuminati. Imagine Giorno having a mental breakdown when he realizes that Dio is a villain oh god it would have been so good!

>he was tricked into believing Passione were the heroes.
He was tricked? Who tricked him? Who lied to him? Which character in which chapter falsely told Bruno that Passione was a bunch of heroes?

he was basically Firion from Final Fantasy II.

"I dream of a world filled with flowers" and that kind of stuff. i mean he's from italy, they're a bit fruity.

a better question is, why the hell do no uploads exist of the blurays for Part 5 beyond episode 8 (vol2)?

not everything has to happen on screen bro

>I made it up
Thought so.

>it was him releasing that he was being tricked for his entire life into working for criminals.
He joined the mafia knowing that it was the mafia.

Did you even read my whole sentence-long post? You're agreeing with me you idiot.

Absolute shit taste.
The westwood fight is great, dragon dreams will be better when its animated, and yo yo ma isn't that bad. You're just parroting what everyone else says.

He's a poor man's Jonathan with some young gangstar angst (Pre-vampire Dio angst)

Planet Waves is grindhouse kino

>Not knowing what subtext is

VAshitters confirmed actual brainlets.

he has a piano

The anime didn't do Giorno justice

cringe

I agree with this but I don't think Bruno was tricked. I think he came to that assumption on his own because they pretty much saved him and his father from being killed and due to being young and naive he bought into believing that. He hated the murders he comitted on their behalf but he seemed to have mostly dealt with various types of scum who tried to wiggle in on Passiones territory or tried to exploit innocents in Naples while the police did fuck all and shitstains were generally allowed to walk if they had the money. It's not hard to see why he would develop this point of view until them selling the same drugs that ruined him and his father's life and even sold them to young kids he started coming out of his delusions but really couldn't do anything on his own.

It wasn't subtext. It never happened. Nobody tricked Bruno, if you read the chapter where Giorno meets Polpo for the first time you'll see that Passione makes no attempt to hide what they are from potential new recruits. I'm surprised that you're actually doubling down after being called out on your bullshit.

Giorno has absolutely no reason to be as smart as he is. He is right far too often for there to be any tension in any fight.

This,the meme about the maximum security ward being the worst arc of jojo is grossly exaggerated.

>planet waves is one of the best fights in all of jojo
>dragon dream is actually good and has some ff goodness
>a whole chapter dedicated to shit on single mothers and explaining the importance of fathers in a child life
>yo yo ma is kinda slow IMO but is not bad either

Based school shooter

a boring piece of shit with an ass pull stand that ruins actual good characters by getting in their way

Jonathan was a fucking retard as was his dad.

Hermit Purple sucks.

B A S E D VAchad beats the fuck out of a retard

Giorno is the worst JoJo character

>desperate samefagging

>It's slightly scummy to pretend to be willing to spare their life.

nonsense

Why are you so autistic? Didn’t get enough attention at home fuccboi?

Loyal(specifically to the people who he considers true allies, if they prove to be what he believes good to be)
Kind, empathetic, compassionate(Half of Giorno's motivations can be summed up in "I had good done to me when I had nothing, I'm going to do the same for those who also have nothing" and it really helps paint his response and reactions to certain antagonists.
Cunning, and a bit of a trickster(has no problems acting friendly to tourists and then robbing them blind but is goes out of his way to return their passports and things they need to get back home. Usually takes a back seat, analyzing people and enemies and forms plans before bothering to take action if he needs to at all.)
Unsettlingly ruthless when angered(More than any JoJo before and after him and even more so then some enemies. Unlike either of his fathers who's anger is red hot and jump into action against whoever was unfortunate to piss them off, Giorno is cold as ice, doesn't emote, but there's a certain look and way of speaking he gets into that lets you know he's about to murder someone and cruelly at that.)
Proactive and opportunistic(Unlike the previous JoJo's, Giorno has a clear goal and pursues it from the beginning of VA of his own accord. He wants to make it to the top, overthrow Diavolo, change the ways of the mafia to suit his own ideals of what justice/righteousness is and should be and jumps at any opportunity to get closer to his goal when they present themselves.)

Unfortunately, a lot of these traits do get muted as the story goes along with rare moments. Which is a damn shame. Could have easily been one of the best JoJo's and had a lot going for him in that regard but VA's breakneck plot and pacing revolving around seven fucking protagonists pretty much ruined him.

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Adding to this, he also has a sincere respect for life(frog scene) perhaps due to his stand's ability to imbue things with life making him understand and appreciate more than most and those who show genuine resolve and growth even towards his enemies.
And while compassionate, he does not really cry for himself nor others due to his experiences as a toddler being abandoned in the dark by his mother. Instead of crying Giorno is shown to tremble. And, oddly, he's seen trembling quite a few times throughout Vento Aureo. This isn't particularly mind-blowing info but I think they're neat little tidbits about him that also could have been given better attention and execution.

cringe

>Still seething
>Still unable to cope
Kek.

>still seething
kek. Imagine being this anally devastated

I am absolutely certain that the only people who accuse Giorno of having no character are autists who need everything spelled out for them.

>Dragon dream is actually good
based

>The point of the story was to change fate with your resolve.
Then Rolling Stones proceeds to tell you that you cannot change ''fate''. And then some characters succumb to it as foretold(retroactively at the very end) and some fuck with it or change it because they simply can. ''Fate'' is whatever the fuck Araki wants at any given point to try and excuse specific events or give characters literal in-universe plot armor because he says so. So Diavolo is punished for using the powers that were granted to him by fate, it all falls apart.
>To have the will to pursue the truth because if you only aim for the results then you'll lose sight of yourself and only take Shortcuts.
Diavolo's power is to take a shortcut, to be free of all consequences of the world and only leave his result on the world. It's perfect for the themes of Vento Auro.
What is Diavolo pursuing? Nothing. He's acting out of self-defense. And if everything in the universe is predetermined as it was revealed, than taking ''shortcuts'' is irrelevant because everything was always going to play out a specific way. He officially cannot interact with anything during the....''skipped time'' (even tho he clearly can on multiple occasions because KC does whatever Araki wants him to without consistency and it affects the plot) so he's not leaving his desired result on the world, he's simply removing himself from the equation, how is that taking shortcuts? The World is much more appropriate for that context honestly (which KC is just a pale nonsensical imitation off) Him ''skipping time'' to evade being hit by bullets is functionally the same as him deflecting the bullets with his stand, just more convoluted. This ''theme'' is inappropriate and has absolutely nothing to do with the context of a mafia organization and if Diavolo wasn't specifically stated to be the boss, you wouldn't be able to tell at all.

WHY KING CRIMSON E IN DURABILITY?

You monster, but I understand.

To level out how strong he is.

in his very introduction dio is shown taking a lot of shit from his father and other people and not showing any emotion you dumb fucking zoomer, he only gets crazy upon becoming a vampire.

The anime literally had to give Giorno an extra scene or two in the beginning so you knew that he was supposed to be the protagonist because he had so little presence in the manga. He may as well be a Koichi-like audience surrogate for the actual protagonist, Bruno.

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So err, do JoJo fans like anyone who isn't Joseph in terms of main character? Think he's the only JoJo no one has said shit about yet.

Johnny
Gyro may be better, doesn't mean he's bad. And combined they are the best crew

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Nope, pretty much everyone loves Joseph because he's a meme machine

Everyone who says they don't like Jolyne haven't actually read part 6

Jolyne is probably the best character in her part alongside Pucci. Most people like her.

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Is it fair to hate her because she failed to save the entire universe.

No because she indirectly caused the creation of a better, SBR universe.

She tried her best, unlike Jotaro.

What I liked was how she developed in prison, becoming more muscular and vulgar yet more empathetic. I hope DP does the part justice.

>Because it was established that not any shmuck can become a capo.
Yeah and Bruno already had enough of Polpo's trust to be personally hiding his treasure on Capri. He would've become capo sooner or later either way and Giorno is not relevant to this whatsoever. Even the Trish delivery would logically be handed to him had Polpo still been alive, because he's a huge fat guy stuck in a prison who cannot do it personally. So the whole ''climbing rank'' cus of Giorno angle falls flat.
> ignore that Abbachio and Mista were already adults
Bruno basically blackmails Mista into joining the mafia by letting him out of prison and seems totally fine with it. Abbacchio's backstory makes no sense, '' Got fired for taking a bribe(not clarified) so now I will join the criminals which I dislike''. And don't give me that ''he was depressed and disillusioned'', it's stupid. It would make more sense if he slowly became corrupt as an officer and WILLINGLY colluded with the criminals and not these strings of accidents, but ofc these backstories HAVE to victimize the characters and not hold them up to any responsibility.
>Fugo, was already a criminal who murdered his professor
>in manga, Fugo's professor was an innocent person
It was never stated that he killed him but it was also never stated that the professor was necessarily ''innocent'' in the manga because there's literally not enough information. He's not a criminal for defending himself from a molester. The way the anime portrays it, Bruno willingly persuades him to join his gang and again, is fine with it. And not even in a ''I'm the lesser of the two evils'' kinda way but a strictly ''yea I can use you'' even tho Fugo declines at first. So that is totally fine but Narancia pleading to work for him suddenly isn't? And he was a neglected street urchin! Bruno didn't give them some local jobs through connections to help them out, he absorbed them into the literal mafia. Bruno is a hypocrite and the story is tone-deaf.

He had a noble character?

cont.
>Bruno's nobility is shown espicially in SS arc, when Bruno is ordered to assassinate Giorno, Fugo offers to due it but Bruno decides to do it himself, this shows Bruno wouldn't order his mind to become mindless assassins
He's not ordered to assassinate anyone in SS, only to investigate. They're not hitmen. It was a direct order to Bruno and that's why he wants to do it, what's noble about this? Stop headcanoning. His personality in SS compared to the beginning of the manga is completely different and inconsistent, and no, he's not merely ''playing it up'', if the holy saint piteous SS Bruno met Giorno, he would not act the same.
>Holy shit there's literally a scene explaining their motivations.
So why the fuck was Bruno acting like him and Giorno are the only ones who believe in the cause and would be willing to go through with the plan at the beginning? Not only is he a hypocrite, but he's suspending important information from the people that trust him the most, if Giorno and him were just in a group of untrustworthy randos, that would make more sense, but not like this. Ofc now that the cat's out of the bag everybody has to make a forced decision, and that is specifically about Trish too and not the plan Bruno and Giorno forged at the beginning regarding muh drugs, which nobody else is aware of for absolutely no good reason. Bruno has NO good reason to trust Giorno over his supposed close friends which likely also share his opinions. And don't say ''he's trying to protect them'', they're not some innocent bystanders, he invited them to his gang and they want to do his bidding. They would've found out about the assassination plot sooner or later and would be involved.

The major aspects of Giorno's personality revolves around his ruthlessness and compassion, his incredible perception of others, his encouraging and inspiring demeanor and his habit of putting himself in harm's way for his crew. He's a quiet and calculating individual who is manipulative and merciless but for righteous reasons and causes. He inspires and gains the trust of his comrades through a self destructive habit of self sacrifice and takes it on when he can't protect the people fighting with him. He is emotionally reserved but throws his malice out at people who pique his contempt and disgust. Of all the Jojos he is maybe the schemer of the family. And I'm not talking Joseph's on the spot wit and cleverness scheming. Giorno is incredibly ambitious and perceptive and makes use of everything he can to patiently achieve his long term goals. I agree he doesn't have a lot of time to exude more endearing charm to his personality, especially next to his incredibly characterized and expressive supporting cast but I feel that's because Araki used Part 5 as a vehicle of far more thematically and symbolically driven story.

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>Giorno
>Disillusioned man but born leader with heart of gold inspired to once again act on his true and righteous values and seek societal reform
>Superstitious stoic who was dealt the worst luck by the world and condemned to the worst fate but given a chance to regain his optimism
>Naïve and indecisive child at heart who is dependent on the instruction of others but learns to stand on his own two feet and make decisions on his own
>Self hating depressive who closed his heart after his lack of integrity got his old partner killed but regains his determination to see things through to the end
>Traumatized abuse victim with anger issues who seeks the most logical path towards a comfortable life so he can avoid facing more conflicts like the ones that scarred him in his past, ultimately unable to move on from them
The Gang are the best written cast

>headcanon

>I can't discern personalities and character growth unless they are spelled out for me
So people who shit on part 5 are just incapable of literary analysis and critical thinking, alright.

>literary analysis and critical thinking,
Aka making shit up that the author never intended. Headcanon.

part 5 is fucking terrible

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>not skipping Part 8 and going straight to Part 9

I would actually like to see DP make an anime original part, just to experience what it is like to watch Jojo without knowing what will happen from the manga.

He had a dream.

youtube.com/watch?v=ECiwDLEPBS4

They could adapt some of the books. Certainly a lot less people have read them.

i really like sassy giorno