Dragon ball super

Cute!

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>spicrata
Miss me with that gay shit.

because he hasn't been officially crowned as king. also he doesn't even care about the prince stuff in canon.

>Grew up in a military force, fighting countless battles
I don't really think you can call those battles. Outside of sparring with people from within the Frieza Force, he was basically always against people that were an order of magnitude weaker than him, even as a child. That's more like shooting fish in a barrel.

Exactly. The whole point of vegeta being inferior to goku is that vegeta always had more power and for that he didn't put any effort in his battles.

Lol no.

>>spicrata
what?

I can't believe how muscular Jiren is.

Ki = power = strength x speed (mass x velocity)
Z-fighters can use their ki and change it into strength or speed and vice versa.
If Goku has an multiversal amount of ki, he'd then be able to convert this multi-versal amount into speed or strength.
A multiversal amount of speed would easily outdo Superman's feat of reversing the time of one universe.
If speed is the only reason Superman was able to perform that feat, then Goku would be able to do the same if his speed is the same as Superman's.
So, when Seth said that Goku is more powerful, but Superman is faster then what he really meant to say was that Goku wins because all Goku has to do is convert his ki into speed.
If Superman is universal and Goku multi-versal (let's say 3 times), then Goku has 3 times the total amount of energy to put into speed as Superman has.
This is why Goku would still defeat Superman

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>The year of our Kami 2019
>There are still people who believe UI is a power-up

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>2019
>people STILL believe that goku can defeat superCHAD
Good pasta btw.

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>s*th
Instantly discarded.

Imagine, just a for a moment, defending a hack as Toyotaro, that even copies figures to make his drawings.

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It is in the canon anime.

>implying the figure isn't based on it
Cope

YIKES.

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aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

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Oh god.... Toyobros, I'm not feeling son good, I might throw up the quesadillas I ate... Please tell me it's fake.

>using yikes even unironically
Kys

Fighting people weaker than you and losing to their tactics is a sign of lacking (GOOD) experience.

>already having an aneurysm

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Enter BASEDren

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kys risu

>canon manga gets high quality figures
>shitime gets UFO Catcher bargain bin figures
BASED

>2019 and another "Supertard wins" video has been debunked by the DBCHADS

based gokubro

COPE

HOLY BASED

Experience ≠ Strength

>still pushing his unfunny meme and traced drawings
kek

>It is in the canon anime.
Why did Kefla call his punches weak compared to his punches in SSB if UI is a power-up?

Cope.

> Your country
> Your favorite character

Argentina (pic related)
Gohan nino and hombre version

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Wat

>inb4 "broly (insert african country)"

Gross what is going doing to Chichi there?

Poland
Vegeta

>Wat
What*
And yes, every video that has claimed that Superman is stronger has been debunked by now. There isn't a single argument that could make the man of pillows defeat Godku

Alaska
Jiren

Volume 5 was released in March 2018. You can find advertising for that figure before that date.

Not an argument.

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Whis explicitly said why, speedwatching cuckaroo.

Maine, USA
Jiren

Shadow Moses
Liquid

>Did you mean
>SSJ
OH NO NO NO NO

>Whis explicitly said why, speedwatching cuckaroo.
And there you have it.
A power-up that doesn't makes one stronger isn't a power-up.
UI is a technique, but when you perform a technique you're not used to you'll do a horrible job performing it.
This is why Goku gradually regained his strength until it was back on par with blue.

Now you tell me why UI is a power-up, candy ass

>Goku broke through his LIMITS (SSB)(SSBKK)
>absorbed the POWER of the spirit bomb
Jesus Christ now wonder these threads have devolved into based/cringe shit you are all retarded like a home for dimensiaing old people.

>Did you mean SSJ
HOLY SHIT DBSPICS BTFO
Also, if you go on the Amazon page for it (the only page with an actual release date), it says the figure was first made available at the end of March the same year.
amazon.ca/Banpresto-Dragonball-Makers-Super-Saiyan-Figure/dp/B07B7ZGRYL
Also, the art you're showing that was used for Volume 5 appeared in V-Jump before Volume 5's release.

>going doing
Anyway, they are kissing.

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Enter Moro

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The smell of shit is strong in here.

>it says the figure was first made available at the end of March the same year.
Literally lying to defend Toyotaro.

Sorry.

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Are you retarded? He had shit attacks because HE specifically DID NOT use UI when attacking. God either you're a complete retard or I'm a genius.

>Good pasta btw.
Thanks, I made it myself

Can sHit pick up Maggeta?

>Date First Available
>March 31st 2018
This is the ONLY site I found with a release date for the figure. Google is not a source.

>And yes, every video that has claimed that Superman is stronger has been debunked by now
Holy headcanon.

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well of course, the op is goku.

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>What are preview shots.

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so will he ever introduce the concept of S-Cells in the canon of the series or it will remain as that thing he said on a interview while being drunk?

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B-b-b-bros?! Y-you told that it was SS! M-my videogames sources confirmed it! W-what happened?!

Like all toriyama says in interviews, it will be shruged off and only spics will take it as canon.

Again, Toyo's art appeared in V-Jump a long while before Volume 5 released and if I recall he had used that pose before.

Grow up.

cope

>He had shit attacks because HE specifically DID NOT use UI when attacking
Yeah, no, you're full of shit and your "UI is a power-up" statement is complete horse shit.

>God either you're a complete retard or I'm a genius
Definitely neither, also, stop using my name in vain, filthy ningen

No seriously, do it.

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>Holy headcanon.
I know Supertard's strongest feats.
Death Battle
That Robot faggot
Seth the Cuck
You name em and I flail em

kibito used clothes beam without the beam...and made potara on gohan. can they just keep making potara then?

>Seth the Cuck
lol were you the user having an autism attack in the last thread?

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>people unironically get mad for this low bait
Why are the other anons except us so retarded?

>Yeah, no, you're full of shit and your "UI is a power-up" statement is complete horse shit.
Wow, great counter-argument. You sure got me, WOW WOAH.
Everyone, may I please get your attention? ... Sigh
HEY
FUCKING SHITTERS
LISTEN UP.
See? How this Techniquecuck got BTFO? Don't get embarrassed like him by claiming the same nonsense.

>lol were you the user having an autism attack in the last thread?
You're the last person who is allowed to talk about autism, your superhero wears his briefs over his yoga pants ffs

>Mind
>Broken
I challenged you into explaining why UI is a power-up, but you failed to do so.
Might be because your retarded, it might be because you don't have any arguments or it might be both (me thinks both).
Anyway, provide evidence, show us that UI is a power-up, lowly n-word

user, these type of figures are advertised well in advance. Sometimes up to a year before they are released. For example, pic related will be released in December, and it has been advertised since early this year.

My bad. Here.

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Except sometimes they aren't. The match makers figures aren't even high quality, they're like $15 new.
I doubt a promo for one of them would come early.
Also, there IS a reason why a Broly figure would get advertised early in the year but not be released until December.
Marketing and hype.

>no response to what i asked
So you were? How sad...

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This is from February.

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Take your own advice, little man. Even transformed, you're an Oozarulet.

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Will Goku be remembered in a thousand years?

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>transforms
OH NONONONONONO

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Cope .

Hey, Frieza went from Namek level to surpassing Super Saiyan Blue after 4 months of punching Zarbon (Super).

D-DELETE THIS!!!

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hijacking this thread

bros, why is zerochan down right now?

holy shit are bejitafags this predictable? Holy cringe.

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>Not responding to a question is the same as giving a positive answer
YIKES!

Enter CHADjin buu.

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*Giving an affirmation

You are right user, you aren't answering, you are deflecting. Also, see

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Canada
Piccolo

SMUGjin buu

Will vegeta get chameleon powers?

How do you debunk two fictional characters having an imaginary battle?

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Why would he? He will get the power to get smaller (yes, even more) so moro can't detect him.

>you aren't answering, you are deflecting
I was keeping the thread on track by not replying to your silly question.
You're the one who is trying to change the subject from "Goku beats Superman" to whether or not I graced the last thread with my divine presence.
Now be a good boy and concede

Hey liquid! How is your arm?

I'm not. I'm just asking a question and instead of saying "yes" or "no" you are seething and deflecting. Maybe If you answered i could follow your game.

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The same way you debunk two non-fictional characters in an imaginary battle

>still going with this shit like gokufags have any room to talk

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Still taller. Seethe.

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Your unrelated question in and by itself is a deflection, Supercuck.

> Maybe If you answered i could follow your game.
I highly doubt anyone who wears his briefs over his yoga-pants can.

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I don't know. What i know is that another site called 8 chan got deleted because jews.

What if instead, Vegeta was taller?

>still posting outdated non canon trash
at least you do as you're told.

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>fanart
concession accepted.

Yes, keep seething.

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HOLY BASED

Y-yeah bro! B-based...

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>Yes, keep seething.
But I'm not a Vegetabro. I'm just asking a valid and genuine question.

>asking headcanon
>"valid question"
>"vegetaBRO"
Sad...

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>Your unrelated question in and by itself is a deflection, Supercuck.
Not really. Just waiting your answer. And your "joke" about briefs is deflecting.

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The whole premise of Omen is that he can't use UI to attack you little kid, you little runt, you small drudgeon. Did you even watch the fucking thing? Are you just here to fish (you)s and waste my valuable time?

>watch
toeipup detected. Discard opinion inmediatly.

I rather look like Bejita and not Trunks with those long legs out of proportion.

Whis

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>Not really.
It really is

>And your "joke" about briefs is deflecting.
It was a serious statement and neither was it an ad hominem.

Now if you want me to explain why Goku is far superior to Supertard I'll be more than willing to enlighten you.

>I rather look like Bejita and not Trunks with those long legs out of proportion
Holy shit, is this how being a manlet feels like? Sad...

Go ahead then, do it.

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Weren't we talking about what Kefla said about his attacks? Or you're the typical toyopup that loves to intrude in grownups convos?

Look at his legs you retard. A fucking meter-long femurs to make Bejita look smaller.

>Weren't we talking about what Kefla said about his attacks?
Holy shit, toeipuppies can't even follow what is being discussed. AHAHAHA TOYOCHADS WIN AGAIN BABY!

>The whole premise of Omen is that he can't use UI to attack you little kid
This is complete bullshit.
The premise of ultra instinct is that he can move without thinking.
This goes for defense AND offense.
This is why his attack power went down and his speed up.

>Are you just here to fish (you)s and waste my valuable time?
Not only that, debating you has given me several wins as well

There's so much unironic seething from the fact your precious goku being unable to beat superman

>implying bejita isn't small in the pic
Man, good thing that i'm not a manlet.

>fanart
trunks is only 2 inches taller.

Oh yeah you are the little bitch that just wants (you)s
Discarded.
I said OMEN not UI, you stupid, drooling, sub-par, dumb, slow-witted RETARD.
God is there someone with a 3 digit IQ besides me in here?

>AAAIIIEEEEE GODKU-SAMA PLEASE I WILL GIVE YOU ALL THE FOOD YOU WANT BUT DON'T EAT ME!

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It's like this:
Goku has the power of several universes.
Superman has the power of one universe.
It does not matter that Superman has a better feat.
The fact that Goku has three times the amount of power, means that Goku is able to perform that feat three times better.

You seem like someone who has only watched the vs vids and a couple of scans and whom now thinks that he's an expert despite never having read the comics.
I bet this thread is filled with retarded posts made by you

>*talking about the canon manga*
>"B-B-B-B-BUT WHAT ABOUT MY NON-CANON ANIME GUISE!"
cope

>taller
I accept your concession.

Whis should have been a girl

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>kefla said Goku had wimpy attacks when he fought her in the manga
Last (you). Don't spend it all at once.

So you can justify your homo fellings for him?

CHADREN THE GRAY

All angels should have been female because it's cute

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>didn't even fight
Who are you trying to lie? Yourself? Or did you get mindbroken. Sigh, toeicucks i swear...

He has several sisters to choose from.

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The only thing you're showing is that more than one person in this thread thinks you're a retard

>I said OMEN not UI
The only difference between the two is that the latter can be maintained for a longer period of time.
He wouldn't have been able to hurt Kefla if Omen was only for the defense, yu damned Troglodyte.
Cope. Kneel. Concede. Beg

Is the biggest and strongest, kneel and obey.

So that's a yes? Also, weird pic.

>several
or 4

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>genderbent
>plague shit

>Who are you trying to lie?
I know I said last (you) but now I see what's the source of your cancer shitposting.
Ahem....
>IESLB
DIDIDID-- COUGH*-- DIDISCARDED, Manolito.

No offense but seriously, from where do you get that shit of "goku has the power of several universes"?

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what are you gay

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See

People that like genderbend are closet homos. Remember that user.

Latvia
Rabbit boss

>The only difference between the two is that the latter can be maintained for a longer period of time.
Are you serious? Or is this just shitposting? Please confirm your claim about Omen being the same as the white haired UI form so I can can finally pretend you don't exist. Do it so everyone can see what the "UI is a technique" retards are comprised of.

192534295
>Who are you trying to lie?
Learn English, Pablo Escobar.

>"so I can can finally pretend you don't exist"
>admits that user lives rent free in his head
Concession status: accepted.

>RTH

>admits that user
Glad you admit not being the same dude and just another bitch intruding in other people's esoteric conversation so I can swiftly discard you.

Wrong pic.

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It's simple mathematics
When Goku fought Beerus, they were able to destroy the universe with a couple of punches.
So, let's call Goku 50% universal (SSG is universal imo, but I'll go with half).
Now, Goku gained power in the following arcs.
He trained for years in the Time chamber, under Whis and on king Kai's planet.
So, he should easily be 3-6 times stronger than he was during the BotG arc.

But we can skip all that and look at the transformations and techniques.
SSB is a stronger than SSG and anime Goku has the Kaio-Ken x20 to stack on top of SSB.
This means that Anime Goku is at least 10 times universal (0.5 universe x KK20).

Manga Goku has his SSB stacked on top of his SSG and we should carefully calculate how many times stronger he got from the BotG arc.
Some would say several hundreds of times, but I can just say 5 and still have him be stronger than Superman

Holy shit you're retarded.
Fine, show us all your evidence that will show that UI is a power-up and not a technique.
Show me where Goku is unable to attack Kefla (even though he damaged her after a couple of tries).
Do it, faggot

And then the series introduced canon genderbent characters.

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>how do we show an absorbed characters traits
>just give him their cape or vest
Why was this allowed?

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>he never noticed
omg......

>When Goku fought Beerus, they were able to destroy the universe with a couple of punches
isnt this explained as being the result of beings with god ki fighting, as opposed to being literally so strong you shake the universe

Saitama isnt really an experienced fighter. Its already shown in his Garou fight that he lacks martial arts. The only reason he can compete is because his strength, durability and speed are too insane.

Jiren the Gray > Superman
t. 650 IQ

Hey, I never said the experience paid off
Just that Vegeta had it

>I-I fucking love dragonball.....

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You just don't know when to concede, do you? You just backpedalled from that stupid claim about Omen being the same as UI. Now you used an Argument by Repetition fallacy about the already discussed Kefla stuff. He couldn't hurt her with his punches because his thoughts got in the way when attacking, therefore not using UI. He BHTFO with a Ki blast confirming that it indeed is a power up, otherwise it wouldn't have done jackshit. You want me to post the pictures where they say "if they clash like that they gonna BTFO everything"? And when Kefla asks him if he's done powering up and he says Yeah? Or do you prefer watching it yourself so your trouncing is a bit less shameful?

Even with an IQ of 15 (Goku tier) you can realize that.

>S-Cells
Quick rundown

>isnt this explained as being the result of beings with god ki fighting
Well, my head canon is that the God ki turned them universal.
Gods (especially GoDs) have to be universal, because they have to be able to eliminate every threat.

>as opposed to being literally so strong you shake the universe
We've learned that you don't need God ki to do that ever since they introduced Jiren.
Champa and Beerus almost destroyed the universe when they fought.
SS3 Goku almost destroyed the planet when he transformed.
I won't call it new, I'd just say that the scale changed and it did.

It’s Champa.

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...

no im really really certain whis or the fish explained that god ki clashing super destabilizes reality, which is why beerus and champa fighting was so dangerous and why there were shockwaves when goku fought beerus.

im not denying you can be so strong you can fuck shit. broly and gogeta were so physically powerful they shattered reality, but im really sure the universe shockwaves were due to god ki clashing

kek

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muh dick

>Omen being the same as UI
Never stated that

> therefore not using UI - confirming that it indeed is a power up
So, this not UI is indeed a power-up? Retard

>He couldn't hurt her with his punches because his thoughts got in the way when attacking
He hadn't mastered the technique yet, HOWEVER, there would have been no reason to master the technique if it was just a power-up.

>He BHTFO with a Ki blast
Yes, after he was able to damage her with his punches he decided to not let the battle drag on and end it right there. He got used to the technique and this made him punch as hard as how he used to.

>And when Kefla asks him if he's done powering up
You said that UI is a power-up in itself, so why did Goku needed to power up?

You don't understand the series at all
Post whichever screens you think can save you, because you need all the help you can get

>using mathematics in fictional battles
Look, i'm not trying to sound mean, but i doubt that toriyama or the writers of superman comics take into account things like that. But letting that aside:
Goku and beerus almost destroying the universe with their punches is more thanks to them clashing their powers than one of them being capable of doing it for himself (though it's confirmed that beerus can destroy the universe but without punches). Take into account that in later fights (goku SSBKK vs hit, goku SSBKK vs merged zamasu etc...) things like that don't happen again (though that can be attributed to how inconsistent the feats in dragon ball are but meh). Now talking about superman:
Superman has more feats that are at that level or more in the comics. Listing those feats:
> punches that cause reality to change
>punches capable of destroy a wall made of reality itself
>capable of surviving and defeating beings with the energy of the big bang
>breaking a nigh-omnipotent being in half
>destroy ships with the power of destroying universe and reality
>a battle between superman and wonder woman shaked earth and heaven
And many more. (Ask me if you want the images with those feats. I'm to lazy to do it for myself. Sorry for the late response btw.)

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Into the trash

Not tosatosay

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FAT

No.

>liking muscular women
Faggot

>15 (Goku tier)
You only need that much to be eternally superior Shitgeta? Based Goku

>im really really certain whis or the fish explained that god ki clashing super destabilizes reality
Then I must ask for evidence to support your claim

>beerus and champa fighting was so dangerous
The world started to slowly dematerialize when these two fought. Which is completely different from the shockwaves Goku and Beerus put out.
It is taboo for 2 GoDs to fight, because the universes could be destroyed.
They have definitely said that, but your comment is unknown to me.
Also, Goku actually managed to absorb the shockwaves which allowed them to keep fighting in their Godforms.
So, I doubt that god ki clashing by itself would cause the universe to be destroyed

they look about the same there. cope.

How do 35 or so people regularly make and post in these threads for 500~ posts?

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There is also superman holding a black hole and this.

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>they look about the same there. cope

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Ochantix

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We are the most dedicated posters on Yea Forums. (We also own this board)

Me? I just prove the superiority of Goku, which is really easy. considering how the competition are a bunch of jobbers.

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>So, this not UI is indeed a power-up? Retard
She easily stopped a SSBKK kameha then got one shot out of fusion with a ""base"" form Goku blast according to you. God you're such a damage controlling cuck.
>there would have been no reason to master the technique if it was just a power-up.
Literal fucking nonsense. Holy shit. It took them a shitton of effort to master SS, an ape tier form even children can obtain. And this little cuck thinks UI is easy to master because it also increases your power besides giving you autonomous moves.

>Kefla: Lol your punches are shit.
>techniquecuck: t-that means it hurt her!! Trust me!?!

>why did he power up when transforming into UI? LOL checkmate.
So SS is a technique because they keep powering up once transformed? DUDE you are getting eviscerated.

>y-you just don't understand my headcanon
You got BTFO hard, and by hard I mean HARD. Everyone is watching right now and laughing, pointing at your little posts and laughing their asses off.

Please post these images in one chain of replies so that it's easier for us to follow

good thing I'm taller than the tardkuspic IRL

Yeah there's the feat of the balck hole too. But i didn't take into account the feat from pic related because that's more of a speed feat and because i'm only taking into account post-crisis superman.

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>likes jobgeta
Kek you most certainly aren't

HOLY BASED!

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>t.

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>easy.
easy, *

I see. Is that seth the chump grammer still around? I forgot he existed except to revisit the many people butthurt over that death battle and when be tries hiss hands one OPM yet didn't even read the web where said character he looked up had his feats.

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>Everyone is watching right now and laughing, pointing at your little posts and laughing their asses off
This but with your post.

Australia
Mr. Satan

>i doubt that toriyama or the writers of superman comics take into account things like that.
A baseless argument.
DC comics went out of their way to let us know just how big and how similar the DC verse was compared to ours.
The longest saga in dragon ball was that in which scouters were used.
Math is everywhere

>one of them being capable of doing it for himself
I already took that into account. Which is why I placed Goku at 0.5 universal and not (1) universal.

>Goku and beerus almost destroying the universe with their punches is more thanks to them clashing their powers than one of them being capable of doing it for himself
This makes no sense.
Nothing would have happened if their powers weren't near universal to begin with
The fact that their powers are so high is why the universe trembled when they clashed.

>Take into account that in later fights (goku SSBKK vs hit, goku SSBKK vs merged zamasu etc...) things like that don't happen again (though that can be attributed to how inconsistent the feats in dragon ball are but meh).
The show disagrees with your head canon, this does not mean that it's inconsistent, it just means that you were wrong.

>a literal fucking NO U after getting intellectually dismembered
See? I think techniquecucks might be even weaker than Toyocucks. Even though they are usually both.

Broly
Sweden

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Well looks like I won again, and decisively. Now I'm off to bed like the good wagecuck I am.

...

Never forget that Merus was a mistake.

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Should kefla had been her won single character, erased completely or stay a fusion?

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My name is Juan

>punches that cause reality to change
Superboy did do that, though it's still a universal feat

>punches capable of destroy a wall made of reality itself
Superboy did do that, though, the wall was weakened thanks to the magic of Lex Luthors son and he SB didn't broke the entire wall, he punched a hole through it from which he and his peers could escape the paradise dimension.

>capable of surviving and defeating beings with the energy of the big bang
Imperiex can wield/conduct the power of entrophy/chaos. The Big bang is entrophy. Imperiex is not entrophy, he is not the Big bang.

>breaking a nigh-omnipotent being in half
A man needs a name

>destroy ships with the power of destroying universe and reality
Mageddon had the power of one galaxy and Superman was unable to break free from its control.
Which ships?

>a battle between superman and wonder woman shaked earth and heaven
SS3 Goku was already able to do that

>There is also superman holding a black hole
It's weird, because a miniature black hole would evaporate quicker than you can say "Ramen".
That micro black hole, would be the size of a golf ball, which is only around 3 times the mass of the Earth.
Not so impressive now innit?

Superman can have every speed feat there is, but it means nothing if Goku is 5 times more powerful, because Z-fighters can transform their ki/power into strength, but also into speed.
This means that Goku can make himself up to 5 times as fast as Superman

>DC comics went out of their way to let us know just how big and how similar the DC verse was compared to ours.
And how is that related to what i'm saying? Just because they say it doesn't mean that is important.

>The longest saga in dragon ball was that in which scouters were used.
Math is everywhere
The cell and buu saga are longer. And these numbers jus tell you how powerful is x character, they aren't related to mathematics just because they are numbers. (And toriyama stopped using numbers since the frieza saga)

>I already took that into account. Which is why I placed Goku at 0.5 universal and not (1) universal.
Ok then. Sorry for that.

>This makes no sense.
Nothing would have happened if their powers weren't near universal to begin with
The fact that their powers are so high is why the universe trembled when they clashed
I know. My point was just to say that goku couldn't do it for himself. Not that he wasn't even near that.

>The show disagrees with your head canon, this does not mean that it's inconsistent, it just means that you were wrong
Can you explain why? You didn't refute the examples that i put and why it didn't happen there. And my point wasn't trying to prove that they were inconsistent, it was just a comment.

And you didn't say anything about the feats i mentioned proving superman as universal. Do you want the sources or what?

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Where's Jiren at? He's hungry

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>sweden
Kek. Based.

He would get more energy from Roshi.

Stop shilling your drawing risu. No one cares about them (and merus is based)

...and i'm the spiciest man alive.

>and merus is based
Disgusting

>liking the 4th mary sue in the series
You have to go back.

Risu makes my dick hard, stop chasing her away

Who are the other 3?

>her

Toyobros, Mark is making a video about the manga arc.. this can't be good..

Look retard, first you're saying that Goku is not using UI, because he "can't attack" and then you say that Ui is a power up, because Goku blasted Kefla off the stage.
Well, you can't have it both ways.
Either it is UI or it isn't.

>She easily stopped a SSBKK kameha then got one shot out of fusion with a ""base"" form Goku blast according to you.
Didn't you say that Goku powered up himself.
Wouldn't it be logical that he increased his strength by doing that?

>It took them a shitton of effort to master SS
Yes, because it's a transformation that used to require pure anger for it to be achieved.
SS is not a simple power up.

>And this little cuck thinks UI is easy to master because it also increases your power besides giving you autonomous moves.
Listen cumcleaner, I never said that UI is easy to master and neither did I say that it increases power.
UI makes you able to move without thinking. This means that your offense and defense are faster.
This speed is what gave Goku the edge.

>So SS is a technique because they keep powering up once transformed?
That's the thing, they really never power up after unlocking a new transformation.
Goku stayed levelled when achieved SS1
Gohan stayed the same when he achieved SS2 against Cell.
They never went beyond their initial transformation in the same fight they unlocked the form in.

Prove she's not female

Congo
Broly

>Will Goku be remembered in a thousand years?
By the general public, no way.

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God I hate this annoying bitch

>Superboy did do that, though it's still a universal feat
I was talking about the battle between new earth and earth two superman. Since they both altered reality with their punches

>Superboy did do that, though, the wall was weakened thanks to the magic of Lex Luthors son and he SB didn't broke the entire wall, he punched a hole through it from which he and his peers could escape the paradise dimension.
You are right. I still consider it a pretty good feat but yeah, the wall was weakened.

>Imperiex can wield/conduct the power of entrophy/chaos. The Big bang is entrophy. Imperiex is not entrophy, he is not the Big bang.
Yeah, i wasn't expressing myself in the right way. I still stand by what i said though.

>a man needs a name
pic related (comic is "death of the new gods" if you don't know it)

>Mageddon had the power of one galaxy and Superman was unable to break free from its control.
Which ships?
I'm talking about superman: beyond 3d (he didn't destroy all the ships by himself though, he had help).

>SS3 Goku was already able to do that
Only earth was shaking. Unless you are talking about the supreme kai planet or about anime filler.

>It's weird, because a miniature black hole would evaporate quicker than you can say "Ramen".
That micro black hole, would be the size of a golf ball, which is only around 3 times the mass of the Earth.
Not so impressive now innit?
the black hole was going to destroy the solar system though.

>Superman can have every speed feat there is, but it means nothing if Goku is 5 times more powerful, because Z-fighters can transform their ki/power into strength, but also into speed.
This means that Goku can make himself up to 5 times as fast as Superman
Proof? And with proof i mean the characters saying it.

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He is right. Thanks for reminding me to follow him

Risu is a spic. He has expressed himself as male in the comments of spic videos about dragon ball. He even has a youtube channel. (With all of his content hidden)

The greentext is kind of fucked. Sorry for that.

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>And how is that related to what i'm saying?
YOU were the one saying that the writers don't take actual physics and/or math into account. I showed you were you're wrong, but you can also look at the backgrounds and interests of many of the Dc writers to see that they do care about it

>The cell and buu saga are longer.
I misspoke. I meant to say series (Dragon ball Z).

>And these numbers jus tell you how powerful is x character, they aren't related to mathematics just because they are numbers.
No, because the strongest fighter is the one with the highest power level and the way we write this down is with mathematical symbols SS1 Goku > Final Form Frieza.
Math is everywhere

>And toriyama stopped using numbers since the frieza saga
The scouters kept exploding, because the numbers were too high. Toriyama himself stated that the numbers were getting so high that children couldn't keep up with them.
He used scouters again in RoF and DBS:Broly.

>My point was just to say that goku couldn't do it for himself.
I disagree. Goku's energy blasts are far more powerful than his punches. So, if his blast is 10 times as powerful as his punch, then he'd be 5x universal and Goku's blasts are probably more than 10x as powerful as his punches.
Weird, but true

>Can you explain why?
I was thinking about the other guy here, my bad.

>You didn't refute the examples that i put and why it didn't happen there
Well, one could argue that the only reason it happened with Beerus was because Goku was inexperienced in using God ki and Beerus didn't care about what he was going to destroy.
This is why Goku found a way to absorb the shockwaves.

Roshia will tell his students about him

Single character. Easily.
Kale and Caulifla are...okay alone, with Caulifla being cuter. I'm into agressive tomboys so I'm biased, honestly. But Kefla just feels more complete as a character, her fighting style and green and red energy attacks are pretty dope, and she looks better designed than either of the girls that make her being the perfect middle ground of Kale's tall and muscular and Caulifla's leaner more petite build with better hair than either and her outfit while simple stands out the gold and dark (reddish?) pink complimenting each other well. I feel if she were her own character from the start and if they mixed a bit of Caulifla's background with Kale's in the manga she'd have been MUCH better received than either individually.

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>tomboys
See

Him and Vados need to make a workout plan.

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>Not wanting an agressive tomboy gf who are objectively superior to most women who expect you to fucking everything for them or women who actually have enough self-respect and discipline to put the time and effort in to looking good
>straight

Okay, kid.

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Liking tomboys is gay.

yes.

They are objectively the superior breed of women and the occasional moments that they allow their innate femininity to shine through can make any man who's not a raging fag absolute diamonds in minutes. Explain yourself, user. What brought about this horrid view?

>Comparing a character that has been managed by one specific writer to one that has been managed by hundreds of writers through multiple continuities
Almost as pathetic as comparing fictional characters for internet arguments to begin with

>objectively the superior breed of women
Wrong. Submissive housewives are the superior ones.

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>YOU were the one saying that the writers don't take actual physics and/or math into account. I showed you were you're wrong, but you can also look at the backgrounds and interests of many of the Dc writers to see that they do care about it
Saying that the dc universe is as large as whatever isn't related to physics or math.
And i'm not saying that they aren't interesed or don't care but in a fictional universe, physics and math aren't as realistic and just serve for making something sound big and awesome (like the dc universe)

>I misspoke. I meant to say series (Dragon ball Z)
Ok then

>No, because the strongest fighter is the one with the highest power level and the way we write this down is with mathematical symbols SS1 Goku > Final Form Frieza. Math is everywhere
Or you can easily tell how much powerful a character is by their feats. You can read/watch dragon ball without looking at the power levels and you can easily tell how powerful is a character of another. It's funny that you bring up SSJ goku vs frieza since the power levels of those two appear only in data books and even then you can tell that SSJ goku is stronger than frieza.

>The scouters kept exploding, because the numbers were too high. Toriyama himself stated that the numbers were getting so high that children couldn't keep up with them. He used scouterd again in RoF and dbs: broly
These numbers don't mean anything. Their aren't as high as the others ones and we didn't see how big is golden frieza (though i think that it was mentioned in a interview or something) or broly power. And can you give me the source of what toriyama said?

>I disagree. Goku's energy blasts are far more powerful than his punches. So, if his blast is 10 times as powerful as his punch, then he'd be 5x universal and Goku's blasts are probably more than 10x as powerful as his punches. Weird, but true.
Was that said in the series or are you just calculating again? (I'll make another post, this one is too long)

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This but unironically.

>new earth and earth two superman
I can't really remember, but they were inside another "dimension" so it might have been harder or easier to perform such a feat.
Imagine this. Take a bucket and sit in the bucket. Now punch the bucket to have it move forward. You can't punch the bucket forward, because your weight is in the bucket.
Now, if you're outside the bucket and punch it, you can send it flying.
I don't know a lot of Dc verses mythology. I only know that they should never be taken literally (like with the book of infinite pages that wasn't infinite)

>I still stand by what i said though.
You shouldn't. Imperiex' drones were Solar System level and Imperiex was Galaxy level. Your entire comment about the Big bang was irrelevant.

>pic related
Are you saying that DarkSeid is a nigh-omnipotent being?
I'll also have to read it in context. If I hadn't read all the other comics I wouldn't have been able to rebuke you as well as I have.

>superman: beyond 3d
Never read it.

>Only earth was shaking. Unless you are talking about the supreme kai planet or about anime filler.
I was thinking about the movies. That being said. I can use the movies, because you're using every form of Superman, including SB:Prime.

>the black hole was going to destroy the solar system though.
Black holes get smaller over time, they don't get bigger, but what you're saying is that the black hole wasn't a threat yet.
So, it wasn't even Solar system level (SS2 kid Gohan level) according to its own lore. Neat.

>Proof? And with proof i mean the characters saying it.
We hear Piccolo mock Garlic jr because he sacrificed his speed for strength. It's filler, but that doesn't matter because canon stopt mattering when you tried to have me face every version of Superman.

"When fighters gather ki, they are able to gain enhanced strength, speed, endurance, and can increase the power of their attacks to inflict greater damage to opponents."
dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/Ki

I was thinking about the other guy here, My bad
Ok then.

>Well, one could argue that the only reason it happened with Beerus was because Goku was inexperienced in using God ki and Beerus didn't care about what he was going to destroy. This is why goku found a way to absorb the shockwaves
Maybe. But i doubt that for how irresponsible beerus is, that he wouldn't care about the universe being destroyed. More taking into account that his job depends of the universe existing and because zeno would delete his ass if he destroys it. And whis was there too so it's weird. And about goku absorbing the shockwaves, wasn't that anime only? It wasn't in the manga. (Not like it matters that much but still)

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Fucked up the greentext again. Shit.

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>duuuuurrrrrrr you can only like characters by their height relative to yours
cope sandfucker.

Hmm. I can agree that they're certainly good, cute and based even, but I must respectfully disagree my good man. As someone who's stumbled into relationships with both types long ago (before I went full autist. long story) I feel that while initially it would be great, they would come to get a bit dull after awhile since they'd pretty much never really challenge you in any way and eventually the relationship would devolve into just going through the motions rather than any real passion. It'd be like living with a yes-man who
you happen to fuck every once in awhile. Once you have kids she'll likely focus more on them since submissive housewives are driven by a nurturing instinct and feel the children would need her more than you. A loyal and loving tomboy, however, has no problems speaking their mind and challenging you and has a mind of her own. Maybe you'd have particularly harsh disagreements here and there but you would always make it known how much you mean to her. Plus those moments just feel more genuine since there's no doubts she's not saying so just to please you. They're also more likely to push you if you ever slack and stop wanting better for yourself while a submissive housewife would just let you get progressively more stagnant. Along with generally not asking stupid questions constantly and waiting for your approval and needing you to initiate everything, tomboys also aren't super conscious over every little thing. Their confidence confidence is charming and they pretty aggressive when it comes to sex and more willing to initiate. I respect your views, but I'm sorry, overall, they're just the superior choice.

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Trunks
Caulifla
Broly

>baiken
Shit taste

the scale doesn't even make sense to begin with

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fag.

Moe Lesbian Goddess defeats and befriends Goku.

I was originally gonna post Tenchi Muyo stuff, but nah.

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>duuuuurrrrrrr
Literally seething

Basically, every time you heal from a serious injury, some of the Saiyan cells becomes super cells. The more you have, the easier it is to become a super Saiyan, which in turn makes more super cells
Though he didn't say it, it implies this is why goten and trunks went ss so young. Their dads were already super saiyans.

>Saying that the dc universe is as large as whatever isn't related to physics or math.
It actually is, because the differences in size are meassured with math. You have to know physics to understand if tanking 50 Supernovae is impressive or not.

>Or you can easily tell how much powerful a character is by their feats.
No, you can't. Krillin is a multi-planet buster, but he has never busted a planet. You need calcs to sclae him off other fighters.

>You can read/watch dragon ball without looking at the power levels and you can easily tell how powerful is a character of another.

sure, let's just throw out all the things that made Dragon Ball awesome, because you want your Capedfriend win in a Death battle.
Power levels are a part of the lore whether you DC fags like it or not.

>you can tell that SSJ goku is stronger than frieza
You already know that Goku has defeated Frieza, so it's not like you're "telling" that he will win

>These numbers don't mean anything. Their aren't as high as the others
So, only high numbers count? Who decided that? And DBS:Broly took place in the past, so of course would the numbers be lower...

>we didn't see how big is golden frieza (though i think that it was mentioned in a interview or something)
They said 8 billion, but some claimed that it was a joke, because it makes for a good Japanese pun.

>And can you give me the source of what toriyama said?
No, I can't

>Was that said in the series or are you just calculating again?
Let me ask you.
Are Goku's punches stronger than his ki blasts?
If the ki blasts are stronger, then he will be able to do a lot more than shaking the universe with his ki blasts

> whis was there too so it's weird
Whis can rewind time, so nothing would be lost

>And about goku absorbing the shockwaves, wasn't that anime only?
It was in the anime and in the movie

NO TOYO BROS THIS CAN'T BE MOTHERFUCKING HAPPENING NOOOO

>(and merus is based)

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>trying to talk shit despite showing Vegeta is actually taller
This aside from Goku being a canon dicklet (can't compare to Bulgeta), retard who takes a week to learn what Vegeta did in less than an hour (fusion), MC who only loses to his rival (2-0), a techniquelet using trash like Kamehameha still (to say nothing of SB), etc.

It's a fine thing SKW happened else Gokek wouldn't have gotten past King Piccolo with how weak he was. Guy couldn't even figure out Oozaru existed, much less master his tiny form (that kept going berserk and he would pass out when it got reversed). Even with power, 'our hero' just keeps managing to fail (often jobbing to his own forms when not just losing otherwise in the debut of a new one).

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You people are all dumb

>can't really remember, but they were inside another "dimension" so it might have been harder or easier to perform such a feat.
They were fighting in the city of the fake earth two. It wasn't said that the copy was weaker or something like that so i assume that no difference would be made if they fought in a real earth.

>Imagine this. Take a bucket and sit in the bucket. Now punch the bucket to have it move forward. You can't punch the bucket forward, because your weight is in the bucket. Now, if you're outside the bucket and punch it, you can send it flying. I don't know a lot of Dc verses mythology. I only know that they should never be taken literally (like with the book of infinite pages that wasn't infinite)
This is a common misunderstanding, the book of infinite pages HAD infinite page when superman and ultraman lifted it. It stopped having infinite pages only for a moment. After the whole story, the book had infinite pages again.

>You shouldn't. Imperiex' drones were Solar System level and Imperiex was Galaxy level. Your entire comment about the Big bang was irrelevant
Okay then, i concede.

>Are you saying that DarkSeid is a nigh-omnipotent being?
He was in that moment. He was fighting the source. (A weakened version of him though)
>I'll also have to read it in context. If I hadn't read all the other comics I wouldn't have been able to rebuke you as well as I have.
I know. You know much of the dc universe (I don't agree in the "rebuke" part though)

>Never read it
You should. Is good.

>I was thinking about the movies. That being said. I can use the movies, because you're using every form of Superman, including SB:Prime
I'm not. While it's true that some feats that i mentioned are from superboy prime or earth two superman, they have almost the same power of new earth superman so it isn't a big deal.

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I wouldn't really consider caulifla and kale OK except their manga counterparts. Anime wise I hate them.

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>Black holes get smaller over time, they don't get bigger, but what you're saying is that the black hole wasn't a threat yet.
So, it wasn't even Solar system level (SS2 kid Gohan level) according to its own lore. Neat.
Superman was containing the black hole with one hand. He also escaped from it later if i don't remember wrong.

>We hear Piccolo mock Garlic jr because he sacrificed his speed for strength. It's filler, but that doesn't matter because canon stopt mattering when you tried to have me face every version of Superman.
I already answered that in >When fighters gather ki, they are able to gain enhanced strength, speed, endurance, and can increase the power of their attacks to inflict greater damage to opponents."
I meant a comment from a character inside the series. Anyway, even then i admit that what is said in the wiki is true. Although i don't think that goku has enough energy to surpass superman both in speed and strenght.

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>It actually is, because the differences in size are meassured with math. You have to know physics to understand if tanking 50 Supernova is impressive or not.
A supernova is the explosion a sun. Seeing how a big a sun is, is not hard to see why it's amazing.

>No, you can't. Krillin is a multi-planet buster, but he has never busted a planet. You need calcs to sclae him off other fighters
From where do you get that krilin is a multi-planet buster? Don't tell me that id from those power levels videos.

>sure, let's just throw out all the things that made Dragon Ball awesome, because you want your Capedfriend win in a Death battle. Power levels are a part of the lore whether you DC fags like it or not.
Dragon ball has a lot of things that are better than power levels. Saying that the series was great only because of power levels is pretty stupid. And no, it's not. Character getting stronger and stronger are, but not power levels.

>You already know that Goku has defeated Frieza, so it's not like you're "telling" that he will win
That's my point. We don't need numbers to know if a character is stronger or not.

>So, only high numbers count? Who decided that? And DBS:Broly took place in the past, so of course would the numbers be lower...
My point is that numbers don't matter to tell power levels. We didn't see the power levels of frieza or broly because they aren't inportant.

>They said 8 billion, but some claimed that it was a joke, because it makes for a good Japanese pun.
Oh, ok.

>No, I can't
O-ok then... discarded, i guess?

>Let me ask you. Are Goku's punches stronger than his ki blasts? If the ki blasts are stronger, then he will be able to do a lot more than shaking the universe with his ki blasts.
True, but the number you used were just your headcanon. And while is sure that goku can do more than shaking the universe with his ki blasts, i don't think that goku has the ki to do it.

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>Caring about powerscaling just because it isn't saiyan faggotry
Muh three punches to destroy the Universe.

>Whis can rewind time, so nothing would be lost
True, but it's weird that he didn't do anything before that happened. There's not point on waiting to see if it happens or not.

>It was in the anime and in the movie
Okay then. But i'm going a little more inclined to the manga when i'm taking into account goku feats.

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I find it funny that he thinks shitting on the manga proves that he isn't a Toei shill.

Please note the filename and ignore or even filter.

Well, that's all for today folks! I'm going to sleep. I know that my posts have a probablity of 99% of being deleted for off topic but meh. Sorry for not ending the discussion with you user, maybe some other day. Goodbye!

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Cope.

And that's bad because?...

>"I feel that while initially it would be great, they would come to get a bit dull after awhile since they'd pretty much never really challenge you in any way and eventually the relationship would devolve into just going through the motions rather than any real passion. It'd be like living with a yes-man who you happen to fuck every once in awhile. Once you have kids she'll likely focus more on them since submissive housewives are driven by a nurturing instinct and feel the children would need her more than you"
>implying that's bad.
Die cuck.

Still taller.

See And . you already got your ass kicked. Get out.

It's funny to bait him sometimes though.

bros why does minus cause so much butthurt?

Dead thread?

Because it's absolute garbage that was forced down our throat and replaced a superior story in canon.

Because it's shit. Duh.

>superior story
you deserve the pain, faggot. only a real cuck would think psychic fishmen is better than what we got

why is minus shit?

>only a real cuck would think psychic fishmen is better than what we got
Right, a Superman origin story and a child looking Frieza is so much better

yes

I feel like we have bullied the Juans away. We are sorry, please come back.

What a brainless retard you are

because nostalgia. its why some "people" still cling on to old broly or get really pissed off when they bring up noncanon anime shit and people disregard it. they grew up with it so thats whats real and you cant tell them its not as good as the real stuff or theyll lose their shit

Because Father of Goku was an actual story that was capable of existing independently from even the original manga, whereas Minus is just a short prequel comic that doesn't properly introduce or develop on the canon versions of Bardock and his wife at all.

They have no redeeming qualities in the manga, theyre boring as fuck jobbers with no character development or defining moments. Let me guess you hate them in the anime because BACK TINGLES right? Get over it faggot toriyama came up with it and ss transforming was trivialized 25+ years ago.

>toeipup is misbehaving again
SILENCE.

>supermanfag took over the thread
B-bros?... aren't we gonna do something?... i'm scared...

Father of Goku is also very interesting because it's not afraid to tell its audience that Goku's dad was first of all a saiyan as we know them, and saiyans are cunts, and so was Goku before he hit his head. Minus pretty much says "Goku's parents were SPECIAL, and so is Goku."
He's not on Earth because he was a low ranking saiyan sent to invade, but it was sent by loving parents, in a race of drunken dads, to protect him.

Its a pretty pathetic story honestly, are faggots seriously praising it just to be contrarian or something? Back when it first came out, the most praise I saw for it was people saying,"it was ok". Toriyama is not a good writer, people keep shoving him into writing positions just for the publicity of it being written by the series creator.

It made many things right. It's by no means a masterpiece and the future vision is a forced contrivence, but it's one of the better DBZ movies easily because it actually tells a story. What we got now in canon instead is actually shit.

Probably this guy as he has been in wars since childhood.

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I was talking about minus when I said it was a pathetic story. Its funny hearing Goku say to freeza on namek that the saiyans got what they deserved, with freeza saying they were no better than he is, then we see in minus them living in little villages happy and smiling, being friendly to eachother.

>Name a more experienced fighter than him.

Master Roshi.

Goku is a shadow of his former self, he used to be a pretty clever fighter in OG DB, but he's worse in DBS. It's all part of the character regression, Goku isn't just slightly dumber as a person, he's also a clumsier fighter.

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Remember when funimation first dubbed dbz and changed the dialogue to imply vegeta and all the other saiyans were just forced to do evil by frieza and it wasnt their fault? People shit on it then for being inaccurate and now all these years later toriyama has pretty much canonized their dub and extended it to king cold, that he`s the reason the saiyans do evil and later freiza. The amount of effort to make the saiyans dindu`s is wierd. Did they think it would be bad if kids wanted to be saiyans with them being ruthless, evil savages so they felt the need to change their background so its ok now?

Enter Yamcha.

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>Wanting a boring fuckdoll that would only come to ignore you.

I bet you like Rei.

>B-BEJITA SAMA, P-PLEASE!!

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Back tingles is the least of them. Also character development? Who said anything about that especially in this series. They were annoying as hell in the anime. One being just other universe Super Goku and the other an even more obvious genderbend Broly. also I said they were ok manga wise not great or anything. They are still lacking but I'll take that over the anime. Same for Jiren. He's better characterized in the manga even though overall he's still a shit character both anime an manga.

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>Volume 5 was released in March 2018. You can find advertising for that figure before that date
Then you have one of three possibilities
>Toyo or Tori designed it
>Toyo's editors told him to use the design to upsell the figure
>Toyo copied the design (of a design that they had the right to use anyway)
There's more ways that you can look at it but at the end of the day there's still many ways to justify it when you consider that Toei and Banpresto have a partnership and it likely was not an accident or laziness.

reminder that goku and vegeta are not friends, and any depiction otherwise is fujoshit fanfiction.

everyone was regressed in DBS.
goku and vegeta should have had their MC role end at Z.

I was fine with Goku being in other world and training but nope had to bring his ass back. Then Vegeta's sacrifice made pointless. DbSuper just continued the downgrade and it never recovered.

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>Hey look at those faggot ass clothes! Faggot! Fag! My son's a fag.

-Goku 2019 (Dub exclusive)

Funimation is officially finished. Who will voice Goku now?

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Explain

to be fair, goku kysing himself was also pointless and was kind of detrimental to the torch passing, given how disjointed it felt.
blame the cell arc.

>My son's a fag
Fucking dying.

sean shemmel has died at age 79

Why is gohan such a faggot????

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Has girls cut their hair like boys. Really don't know where he picked up this shit. Godku will fuck his wife for him anyway.

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It was ok a little for Gohan to get his moment but once we see the result after all of it, overall it was pointless.

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i suppose you chalk that up to bad planning

Wouldn't any of the 2 fusions between goku and vegeta be a more experienced fighter?

kek. based.

All things considered lads, Kryptonian is a far better package.
Raw feats and damage and all that being put to the side [Goku can be scaled, but as far as destroying anything he doesn't actually have feats that are all that good]

Superman seems to be faster, Think faster, hit harder, and be WAY more durable on average. The fact is, in DBZ, you CANNOT use all your power at once, so people having this Ki=Mc2 IS fucking dumb.

We already know that the body itself shunts the rate in which you can spend it. If it didn't, there would be no need for transformations. It would all be there. SS3 is strong BECAUSE it lets you tap into more of the body's potential energy. but whatever.

Also, something that needs to be stated is that superman has 3 separate sets of powers, and these are split amongst various characters after new 52
>Body powers [Lois Lane gets these. "Base"]
>EM powers [Lana Lang gets these in superwoman.]
>Kryptonian Chi [Kang gets these in NEW SUPERMAN].

Essentially, these [Which he eventually re-absorbs], would allow him to EASILY scale to top tier dragon ball characters, or "Power Up" if you will. Even though he hardly needs to.

Superman would get stronger fighting goku, just by observing how his body works. He wouldn't be able to duplicate his transformations, but he would be able to duplicate things like Kaio-ken and energy blasts and such.

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and I'm taller than you. end of discussion.

No planning more like it. Toryimam writes as he goes on and usually editors step in to fix his shit.
Uh the talk of superman kind of ended already so.....

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I'm so fucking smart

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jc Dragon Ball Super's OP sounds like some early 2000s pop punk bullshit a la Simple Plan

cope

>experienced fighter
>shit grappler
>relies on random powerups rather than skill to win battles
>has the martial arts equivalent of an aimbot
Literary any seinen protagonist.

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actually, in the cell arc it was the editors who were being retarded.
they constantly forced toriyama to change shit, swapping villains and plot points out one after another. the whole arc suffered for it as a result, since AT just started making things up as he went along as to please the editors.

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twitter.com/UltearSorrows/status/1166957437338832896?s=20

Goku voice actor is up to some odd stuff

where did this come from?

Being leaked at the moment on a stream

based Tardku destroying Faghan!

Now THIS is based.

thats hilarious

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Other major leaks from Funi promised tomorrow

youtube.com/watch?v=UKBUYhzMulk

Just rewind a bit

>Tardku
It's CHADku you stupid fucking faggot

Fagku and Faghan

leaks of what? if it's not DBS2 then I dont' care

Basically Funimation recorded voice actors saying a lot of retarded things over the years, and kept the files instead of deleting them.

quiet dog, everyone's an idiot here, the only problem here is who is less obnoxious

kek
why are the dubfaggots so irresponsible
aren't they supposed to be working adults

what the fuck? there has to be more context to this, this is too funny.

Well yeah there's a lot of context, and all of it revolves around the Vic Mignona case which turns out to be bullshit. Where they accused him of a lot of things to get him fired. So all of that and all of the voice actors being dicks for months and actively interfering with contracts and threatening conventions caused backlash so that now their dirt is slowly being dug up over time.

Turns out all of the dub actors are assholes or monsters

>Turns out all of the dub actors are assholes or monsters
just like us huh?

oh no.
they said some mean words.
the horror.

i was more of meaning as to why funimation even bothered keeping warmup lines, and what the hell are the other ones like?

It really doesn't stop with words

the number 1

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For me, it's Chi Chi

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chichi a shit.

youtu.be/kt63sVdVxdI
Goku's really snapped

Goku is one of us. He hates faggots, just like us.

God bless him.

and here comes the pedo

if you're going to post porn, at least post healthy heterosexual material like girls and traps above a legal age

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Why do you hate us so much? I'm a Vegetafag btw

Jiren, survivor of 1 million battles

Teen Gohan is best Gohan.
Moro will defeat UI Goku and Yadrat Vegeta then everyone last hope will be to use Dragon Ball to revert Gohan to Teen Gohan to defeat Moro.

namek gohan>every other gohan

SS2 Gohan is peak Gohan.
Apex Hybrid Super Saiyan

The main male feminist that tried to get Vic's career ruined is a serial wife-beater with a court record to prove it actually.

then why did anyone believe him?

wtf? I love dubs now!

ZEEEEUUUUSSSS

Because make feminists are immune to #metooing The same people still against Vic are unironically saying "He's changed that's in the past."

The guy threatened to kill a judge's children lmao

Dad...I...

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>not even 60 years of experience
Dozens characters have way more experience

>toeikeks just realized the meaning of the word "reference"
OH NO NO NO NO NO NO

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Gohan just can't catch a break
>balding
>jobber
>irrelevant outside of spicland
>his dad calls him a faggot, faggot, fag, fucking fag who wears faggot ass clothes.

*healthy homosexual material like men and traps above a legal age

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Put some clothes on okay?

quiet fag

what kind of clothes?

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You're like my family.

>6'1'' vs 5'11'

LOL MANLETS

Baki hanma

...

Faggot, faggot faaaaaaaag
our son's a fag

The beta male outfit.

okay Gohan

Yes.

o-ore wa s-s-sup-pa b-be-be-jit-ta

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xth for the cutest shadow dragon you've ever seen, Oceanus Shenron!

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>blue-skinned thot
Leave.

He's not even a thot, hes just El Hermano de Zarbon

Too late! That's what you get for overusing the dragonballs.

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>t.canastus
Your waifu was a mistake that needs to forgotten like the rest.

Oceanus will never be forgotten, the shadow dragons are among the most popular things from GT and keep coming back in spinoffs and other material.

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>They were fighting in the city of the fake earth two
Never hear of it. Can you provide a scan?

>the book of infinite pages HAD infinite page when superman and ultraman lifted it
It's still a magical book. Did the comic saythat the book had infinite weight?

>He was in that moment. He was fighting the source
How is Darkseid nigh-omnipotent? Name me his feats.

>some feats that i mentioned are from superboy prime or earth two superman, they have almost the same power of new earth superman so it isn't a big deal.
I can say the same about filler Goku and movie Goku.
Also, Superboy-Prime is several times stronger than Superman. His feats outclass Superman, so you really can't compare them at all.

>Superman was containing the black hole with one hand
Two hands, he was covering the black hole with both hands.
and it's still only 3 Earths worth of mass

>Although i don't think that goku has enough energy to surpass superman both in speed and strenght.
Supermans feats are universal at most, correct?
Goku has the ki to destroy multiple universes, correct?
Multiple universes > one universe
I say that Goku has the ki, because ki equals power in the DBverse. They don't meassure muscle strength, they meassure ki and ki can be transformed into whatever they want, like speed and strength, but also flight.

>Seeing how a big a sun is, is not hard to see why it's amazing.
And you've learned about the size of the sun thanks to physics. You can't tell me that you looked up at the sun and instantly knew that it's several millions of times bigger than the Earth. Physicists discovered that. Math and physics are everywhere.

>From where do you get that krilin is a multi-planet buster?
From where do you get that he isn't?
Roshi blew up the moon DB, Piccolo in DBZ and Vegeta was about to blow up the Earth in the Saiyan saga when he had a max. powerlevel of 21.000. This is important, because Krillin has far surpassed that level or hasn't he?

>working on gohan before trunks as if trunks doesn't have a giant hole in his chest and been passed out for like 10 episodes

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He's fucking dead and dende isn't shenron

youtube.com/watch?v=vM6WnG966XQ

Fuck off, superfag.

>Saying that the series was great only because of power levels is pretty stupid.
I never said that. I meant that trying to take away power levels as if they never mattered pretty stupid.

>We don't need numbers to know if a character is stronger or not
Power levels served various purposes. But besides that, because this was about math. You do need math to determine whether Goku is faster than Superman. To determine who has more durability. You can't get around that or else you're just using head canon.

>My point is that numbers don't matter to tell power levels.
They do in the same matter that the color of your belt tells us how experienced you are in Judo and Karate.

>We didn't see the power levels of frieza or broly because they aren't inportant.
That's your opinion, but it's not backed by facts.

>True, but the number you used were just your headcanon.
These numbers had explanatory value, they weren't the actual numbers.

>goku can do more than shaking the universe with his ki blasts, i don't think that goku has the ki to do it.
We have already established that Goku is on a multiversal level, this means that he has the energy to destroy the universe that many times over.

>True, but it's weird that he didn't do anything before that happened
Why should he have?

>Okay then. But i'm going a little more inclined to the manga
Movies > manga = anime
The movies reign above them all, because these are directed and written by Toriyama while he only supervised the manga and anime

>Goku can be scaled, but as far as destroying anything he doesn't actually have feats that are all that good
Almost destroying the universe with three punches is a pretty impressive feat

I know Goku wanted his son to become stronger, but repeatedly calling him a faggot was a very risky move on Toriyama's part
Very brave of Funimation to adapt such a problematic part into English dub unchanged.

LOOK AT THOSE FAGGOT-ASS CLOTHES

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>watching the dub

>Superman seems to be faster, Think faster, hit harder, and be WAY more durable on average
That's only because he gets scaled to regular humans a lot.
And no, Supermans durability maxed out at galaxy level on mutliple occassion, like when he got controlled by Mageddon and jumped by Imperiex's solar system level drones, whom also obliterated the other heroes like Wonder Woman etc and made Superman hide in the sun to grow his power level.

>The fact is, in DBZ, you CANNOT use all your power at once
Vegeta and Chiaotzu seem to disagree when they sacrificed themselves.

>people having this Ki=Mc2 IS fucking dumb.
you're just mad, because you can't into math and physics.

>If it didn't, there would be no need for transformations. It would all be there.
Humans aren't born with perfect control of their ki/power. They train to cultivate it, to grow their ki resources. This isn't some capeshit comic in which all the fighters can't grow their power or have to use outside sources like power ups or sunbathing. In DB you get stronger via exercise, emotions, meditating and image training

>Essentially, these [Which he eventually re-absorbs], would allow him to EASILY scale to top tier dragon ball characters
But they don't. Superman isn't on a mutliversal level while Goku is.
We're looking at the total amount of energy a character can use. This energy can then be used for attacks, speed feats, increased durability etc. Especially in DB.
Now a universal being would always lose from a multiversal being.
Superman could sundip, the sun doesn't only replenishes his power, but it also multiplies it.
He'd still have to sunbathe for a considerable amount of time if he wants to defeat Goku.

Kryptonians are also vulnerable to Ki, a weakness Lex Luthor tried to exploit with the Science Spire.

>he would be able to duplicate things like Kaio-ken and energy blasts and such
He would still be too weak without sunbathing

Roshi
Genkai
Netero

Any badass old character.

>Claim Goku can defeat Superman
>Get called Superfag by an actual fag
Wew lad

Bejiiiiiiiita, your meal is ready.

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Don't care, piss off.

>Father, train me!
>lol no way fag
What did Goku mean by this?

Comiiiiiiiing.

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You should care, because I think that you being a faggot is a big thing, you pretty little faggot

B A S E D

Could Goku and Superman beat Beerus if they fused?

You're basically asking if a fusion that's weaker than Goku could beat Beerus?
No.

>pretty
Kys.

Belmod > Beerus
Jiren > Belmod
Goku > Jiren
therefore Goku > Beerus
Why would he need to fuse with Superman when he can defeat Beerus alone

>Belmod > Beerus
Kek

Cope.

what is wrong with trunks' legs

ah goku on a stick. 3-0 coming right up.

it was stated in the show and in the manga, your headcanon can't change that

Enter my cute wife Chino!

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too bad he didn't say "nigger"

he doesn't have the balls to say that, unlike Vegeta youtube.com/watch?v=GQOH7u-4GwU

Wrong. Also, nice projection on the headcanon thing.

>Wrong
Correct*
Now concede, your headcanon is irrelevant to the discussion

based

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rent free

>implying that Goku being shotter than a objectively tall woman is the same as Vegeta having the same height as a short one

Stay mad about your dumb memeclown being inferior.

You mean this

youtube.com/watch?v=nEMtBtMv1Z0

>Goku has the power of several universes.
Holy headcannon
>unironically using "hype quotes" as actual evidence when SS3 was said to almost destroy the earth and now can barely shake a room
>unironically beliving in multipliers when they have beem show to be inconsistent multiple
Gokufags confirmed as retards, DB powerlevels are as inconsistent as Superman's, but at least sups has the excusenof being writing by multiple writers. But so far the strongest despiction of sups>>>>>strongest despiction of Goku

MistareFusion is a godly DB fan but ugly. Are all DB fans so ugly?

1-0

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>Are all DB fans so ugly?
No shit.

B-b-b-b-based!!!!

Pretty sure it’s never going to be mentioned directly, but he was obviously only talking about s-cells because he was using them as a reason for broly being some mutated freak of nature. 99% chance it was mentioned in the original script for broly but got cut

your headcanon is discarded once again

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Dragom ball's midichlorians

>rth

Only goku shitposters

>passed out for 10 episodes
Pretty sure when half of your organs get vaporized you don’t just “pass out”

Peak autism

Can you expect any better from a capeshitter?

Jiren the Gray. The indisputed strongest mortal in the entire multiverse. His strength surpasses even the domain of the GoDs. His speed is on par with Ultra instinct, an angel tier technique. All of this, Jiren reached not through asspulls, not through powerups, not through transformations, he doesn't even have God ki. Just pure, raw strength, and the determination to become the strongest.

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Enter CHADren.

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based
late but based

Since Jobhan and SHITren are both faggots, can they get together already?

Absurd, nonsensical, ridiculous, unquantifiable feats are just that. They have no place in a scholarly debate of any intellectual merit. Childish fancies like "Superman can lift eternity and infinity" don't signify his might; they speak quite clearly of the writers' lack of creativity and inability to clearly and concisely communicate their character's abilities in a way that is consistent and logical. It's the equivalent of a schoolyard game of make-believe, right up there with anime Hit's "nuh uh I improve over you" ability, but alas, even more egregious. I will ask--not command, YET, but ask--that in the future, you refrain from utilizing such disingenuous metrics as "proof" during debates of mental acumen and wit, and instead firmly ground your points and hypotheses in cold, hard fact as the denizens of these threads learned to do long ago. Being that you are a capeshitter, I fully and completely understand and sympathize with the fact that your mental faculties aren't on the level of the Dragon Chads--there are few who can match us, especially with such intellectual juggernauts on our side as the Jirenscholars, Toeintellectuals, and the dogposter. This is why I am graciously granting you this reprieve and forgiveness for besmirching the name of esoteric pontification and philosophical ponderance. However, my sagacious hand outstretches in a gesture of peace but once. Think long and hard upon your transgression. Strive for something more, something better. Rise to the occasion and deliver your best shot to your opponent in a debate.

HOLY BASED

>and when be tries hiss hands one OPM yet didn't even read the web where said character he looked up had his feats.
What in the FUCK kind of incomprehensible ESL babble is this?

holy shit
capefags wish they had this kind of command over lexicon
I love being a dragon chad

>literally no argument
I win again. Next time pick your opponents more carefully, lest you are subjected to an intellectual torrent of merciless dismantlement.

>c-c-c-c-cope

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>following yourself on Twitter
Toeipups are fucking sad.

His step-dad diddled him too much. Made him into a raging fag.

>yet another original and esoteric tome of intellect from a fastidious Jirenscholar
Status quo maintained.

>can't defend his point so he has to attack the opposing point
Just like a sub-intellectual brainlet. I win again.

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BASED
fuck SHITrentards

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Keep sobbing Toeipup.

>MUH NO FUN ALLOWED
Just kill yourself, wagie.

that looks like it would feel amazing

>fucked around like a goddamn retard and got his father and Trunks killed
>peak Gohan

>The intellectcs of the Jirenscholars is big impressive
Based JirenChads

Cope.

kek

Why are you crying so much, you sissy little bitchboy pissbaby?

>Fanfictionime
Discarded.

>Toeintellectuals
You were doing so good...

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>can't follow intense intellectual and scholarly debate
>calls it autism

Well if Goku can get his friends killed and not give a fuck why can't Gohan? You guys liked that personality no?

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>implying Shitrenbitches could come up with anything approaching that level

>strawman
Aaaaaand done.

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>N-no, actually the official anime isn't canon but my opinions are
discarded once again

>Shitrendogs spamming gay porn again

>official=/=canon
Arguing with Toeipups is like trying to play chess with a pigeon.

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@192554554
The post was literally made by a jirenscholar, just because a Zombie like you can't think of anything better than screeching SHITREN SHITREN SHITREN all day doesn't mean that no one else can

It's simple, poodle. What happened in the fanspictionime from SHIToei KEKnimation is irrelevant and non-canon. In the superior and canon GODnga by CHADiyama's CHADsen successor CHADyotaro, Quitela is the GoD stated to be stronger than Beerus, who later argues with Quitela about that statement only being based on an arm-wrestling match. Later they are the final two GoDs standing after Beerus almost effortlessly goes 11v1 with the other GoDs via incomplete UI.
>"b-b-but master!" the simpering Toeipet cries, "B-Belmod was just faking!"
Even more damning evidence that runs contrary to your claim. Belmod clearly felt that he couldn't compete with either GoD, even exhausted as they were, without resorting to trickery, further confirming that Beerus and Quitela>Belmod.
Cope, dog. Kneel. KNEEL, I say.

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>C-canon is defined by my thoughts, not by the creator of the DB who gave all the rights to the DB to a company who produced the show
like i said, discarded

>i-it was made by a Shitrenscholar I s-s-swear
>Proof? uh...s-shut up...z-z-zombie...
I win.

>who gave all the rights to the DB to a company who produced the show
Either you're just trying to make shit up or you're actually fucking stupid and don't know what the hell you're talking about. Toriyama and Shueisha co-own the Dragon Ball IP. Toriyama didn't "give the rights" to Toei, what are you fucking talking about you braindead beanerspic?

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>strawman
Canon is defined by what is stated to be canon, which the manga has been. Guess what hasn't (and got cancelled)? Right, the shitnime.

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why are jirendogs so obsessed with fag porn?

>posts the fag porn himself
>"why did jirendogs post this porn"

>deafening silence stemming from an endless maelstrom of defeated concessions
I am so fucking smart.

>double trips
The gods have smiled upon me, it seems. Blessed I am with monumental intellect, superb good looks, and the luck of the Irish. Truly, I am of superior stock.

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>no u
fucking degenerate shitrendog.

I wonder why faggots get AIDS

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This is even more evidence that Dragon Cuck threads need to be banned. You fucking manchildren are a waste of oxygen.

>spams the thread with porn because he is mad his own thread doesn't get any activity
>"T-this is why we need to ban you guys, look what you are posting"

Are you fucking schizophrenic or something? You fucking idiots are the laughingstocks of the board because of shit like this.

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>gets exposed for posting disguisting fag porn
>"n-no u"

Based trips of truth

>Holy headcannon
Goku went from absorbing the form that can shake the universe to adding his SS forms on top of that and to add KKx20 on top of that in the anime.
Yeah, anime Goku is at least 10x universal thanks to the KK.

>using "hype quotes" as actual evidence
Which hype quotes?

>unironically beliving in multipliers when they have beem show to be inconsistent multiple
KKx20 is a twenty times multiplier, retard.
SS and SSB are multipliers as well, but I never used the official multiplier for SS in the comment you replied to, because that would make Goku (0.5x50) 25x universal as an SS.
So be careful what you wish for, retard.
I can havce Goku max out at 2x universal and he'd still be twice as powerfull as Supertard

>DB powerlevels are as inconsistent as Superman's
You're just saying that because you're a bitch who doesn't want us to use the official SS multipliers
Wrong, only retards think that Z-fighters go all out in all their battles and don't think about how they can preserve their stamina or that they can't hold back when they spar against Krillin as an SSB to let him get used to fighters with that kind of pressure.
ONLY capeshit comics have this problem, because Capeshitters can't increase their power. The Flash doesn't get faster and Superman can't train to get stronger. The DBverse operates under different rulers, burger.

>sups has the excusenof being writing by multiple writers.
Dragon ball has no power inconsistencies.
Only retards think it has.
When you think about the fact that the fighters don't go all out in every battle, that they train to get stronger and that two people of different strength can fight each other without killing each other for a long time you won't call it inconsistencies. You call them events.

>But so far the strongest despiction of sups>>>>>strongest despiction of Goku
That's BS, the strongest version of Goku is Xeno Goku and he is way more powerful than the stats I gave for Super Goku.

>thinks his schizophrenic delusions exposed anything but his own mental instability
>no idea what "no u" means
Like I said, you're the laughingstocks of the board.

That's essentially what you're doing, you low iq DBSdog

>literally admits that he posted fag porn here
>"y-you are the laughingstock"

>literally admits
Where?

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>W-w-where? :(
cope

That's what I thought, you little spic. Now get the fuck back to your padded room.

>Posts mexican homosexual porn
>y-you are a spic
discarded

Based Goku was one of us all along.

Was an armwrestling match you daft mongoloid.

Started out as a fag, but ended really strong

>just because belmod defeated beerus in a test of strenght doesn't mean that he is stronger than him

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Oceanus is cute! CUTE!

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I don't know about all that, but Vegeta is undefeated against Goku. See:

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