You are hit by a truck and are isekai'd as Shinji a week after the Fourth Grail War

Burn down the Matou household.
WITH NO SURVIVORS

I’m retarded, I was thinking about the 5th war with Shinji surviving it somehow.

Improve my already decent cooking skills to challenge Emiya.

You win.

If I grafitti "Enkidu and Gilgamesh are faggots, Ishtar did nothing wrong" on the side of Kotomine Church, would Gil activate Sha Naqba Imuru to find me?

He would find your house and grafitti “it’s not gay if it’s clay” on it.

what a lovely couple

Go find Flauros and convince him to go on with the plan so I can finally die alongside with the world.

Okay, but what about if you were reincarnated as Sakura one day before the fifth holy grail? How do you ensure a steady supply of Shirou's goop/Rin's nectar? How do you win the 5th holy grail with Rider?

How hard would it be to escape Zouken's clutch and get rid of the worm?

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Then I guess I would have no choice but to grafitti "Still kinda gay, anyway did you know that there's a fake grail war that's being set up somewhere in America where somebody summons Enkidu in a few years?"

You're kinda fucked.
Go pester Shirou for Avalon, then remove worms.

I think Sakura would be more fun if you were sharing the body with Sakura. Just for the fun of Sakura suddenly getting another voice in her head but it's telling Angra Mainyu to go fuck itself and telling her how to fix things.

>That's it Sakura, let the anger consume you, let it all bu-
>You know, we should inquire if Shirou is into pegging
>...Consume those who hurt you Saku-
>I mean you can always convince him by saying that massaging the prostate ain't gay if it's a girl

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Continually make jokes only me and Zelretch would find amusing.

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You'd also definitely want to convince her to take Rider back from Shinji. Before he uses her to kill Emiya.

Don't be a dick to Sakura.

Start hot steamy incest subplot where I help her win the grail. All consensually of course.

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It's not incest if you aren't related by blood.
Illya knows.

Get the fuck out of Fuyuki and never look back.

How?
Also why?
You're passing up a valuable opportunity to seduce Rider, Rin or Sakura!

Or Medea!

>be nice to Sakura
>make Rin your waifu
Based.

>make rin your waifu
not gonna happen

Give Sakura headpats and try to get her out of the mansion as much as possible.
Attempt to start working on a reality marble with my soul's hopefully average circuits and my fucked up min

common sense/element/origin.
Create a great relationship with Rin and Shirou.
Practice a martial art and get /fit/

Hmmm. Could you, as a Matou, get a meeting with the Einzbern about the Grail War?

Be nice to Sakura and build friendly relations with Rin without being overly creepy to her. Maintain my best buddy status with Shirou and then make him protect me after he enters the UBW route. Heaven's Feel and Fate route would be downright suicide

Why?

Heavens Feel or Fate are only suicide if you aren't prepared.
Also, I doubt your specific route knowledge will apply due to butterfly effect fucking everything up.

This.
>How?
Train, Plane, Bus or Boat
>Why?
I just got a second chance at life. Why should I waste it getting caught up in this magical bullshit?

let see...
steal wormslut's servant,
use servant to rape chicks just for the lols
use servant to powerdrain people
-avoid combat with sabre/archer
-avoid your highschool
-keep wormslut locked in rape dungeon with rapeworms
use "population drain" events to lead sabah and archah to bazakah and castah
let grailwar happen without me, fucking servant and chicks my servant nab for me
only show up at the end after grail formed and while gilgamesh, sabre and shiro are tied up with each other take grail
== profit!

You're 8 years old, I doubt you could make it.
Yeah, Rider is just going to kill you.

I feel like we've already explored all the possibilities of these threads.

They're still more fun than the Rinfags and Sakurafags baiting each other.

So realistically, what happens if you tell Rin or Sakura that you're actually an otherworldy being with knowledge of the future possessing Shinji?

Can I make make everyone my waifu by pole jumping before Shirou does?

>calls sakura wormslut
>is retarded
every time

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You need to time the high jump perfectly.

abandon everything discard my crest get on a plane and leave the country

>discard my crest
lol

Rin says she won't go out with someone unless she makes the first move and she's not gonna make the first move on the matou heir who stole her sister

How would Rin interact with a loving onii-chan thou?

Easiest survival way - Don't mess with the Holy Fucking Grail War and use my other genius abilities to make money
If I want Sakura - treat her kindly... let her know that I'm the only one who love her. most
If I want Rin, treat Sakura right. Let her know about Sakura secretly. Make sure that you're the one who comfort her one way or another. Don't be dense and get through Tsundere Act.
If I want Illya, Meet with her to tell her about Iri and Kiritsugu and make her believe in me one way or another. Help her survive Holy Grail and somehow make her live longer.
If I want Saber, kill Shirou... make Medea fall in love with me and Summon Saber. I now have two servant in your hand. Ally with Illya before Gill kill any of us. Beat the shit out of everyone. And fake follow the fate route to make Saber fall in love with me

Would Rin really hate us for something that happened when we were 8 and was completely out of our control?
Even if Sakura seemed happy around us?

I mean, if she wants to play the blame game, we can.
She'll lose it though.

what did rin do wrong?
also even if fyou don't abuse sakura, the worm thing won't make her super happy

she's be polite and respect you somewhat for taking care of sakura but that's it

Can't I just enjoy my harem of schoolgirls and leave the War to Shirou and Sakura?

Why does Shinji HAVE to participate?

The same amount that 8 year old Shinji has done wrong.
Except it wasn't his father that gave his daughter away to the obviously evil 500 year old worm monster.

What if you have been isekai'd into Saber just before she pulled the sword from the stone?

>be a decent human
>get a closer friendship to shirou and maybe rin
>treat sakura well and say that her uncle actually tried to save her and shit
>try to save sakura but i hardly think this is possible at the moment
>try to get caster before kuzuki
>as kuzuki to teach me the snake
>try to save bazett, maybe?
>before the war happens try to talk to illya about his brother
>tell sword autist that he has a sister
>ask medea to kill uncle worm and clean sakura
>tell seibah that gilgamesh is still alive
>tell everybody that the grail is fucked ask medea to find some proof.
>being decent to sakura makes it impossible to get murdered by rider so thats already fixed
Etc, honestly it would be a fun VN trying to survive as shinji while being a decent person.
The hardest part would be stopping archer from fucking everything up with his suicidal shit.

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He doesn't, we can act like the strategist seeing as we have already a somewhat clear path what will and will not happen, which leads me to the next question: Destroying the Holy Grail, how hard would it be to convince the other masters that that shit is foul as fuck?

Actually, you don't have to. Didn't Shinji participate only because he forced Sakura to give Rider to him? And Zouken doesn't give a fuck about 5th war originally.

That why you should follow my survival guide. Unless you want one of the heroine, don't messed with the Holy Fucking Grail War

Do we have functional circuits? Then we can cuck Shirou out of master position by summoning random saber before him.

After writing this i just noticed how overpowered knowing the routes is in a situation like this, no wonder EMIYA could make a plan like that.

>The hardest part would be stopping archer from fucking everything up with his suicidal shit.
You could change Archer's view if you change shitty Shirou's dream

All you have to do is convince Shirou
He will find the way to do others

Wait, why did Zouken gave a shit about the 5th holy grail in HF?

thing is, rin doesn't have t be objective. You're the one trying to bang her. Hell if she saw sakura happy with you while she was alone she could end up seething

Because he meets Shirou when Shirou goes by the Matou house, and something in their conversation makes him take an interest. I don't remember exactly what the line was, though.

Because of Shirou talking to him and Zouken finding out Sakura wants Shirou's dick which can be used to transform her into grail.

You talk like its easier, but i guess with so many years it would be possible.
Because the way the events happened caused him to interfere, also he is kinda dying so its his last chance or something.

>he is kinda dying so its his last chance or something
So he just lets himself die in Fate and UBW?
Is Zouken retarded?

Being supportive of Sakura's love of Shirou is the best way to erase her negativity towards you. Quite frankly, Shinji doesn't even have to bother with magecraft let alone the Grail War. He's got looks and talent and the support of the Matou household while Zouken doesn't pay attention to him. He can lead a successful, comfortable and fulfilling life. If you he REALLY just has to have Sakura just work on her, he'll eventually catch her on the rebound from Archer and Shirou.

What's with these threads anyway? Why not just call them "What if Shinji wasn't a psychologically damaged lowlife?"

>forgot what he even wants in the first place
Yes.

He was planning to skip 5th war and try to win 6th one originally.

he's saying bullshit
zouken just plans to use sakura later in UBW and fate
also seeing shinji get destroyed makes zouken get involved in the war

>Sakura
I mean of course Rin

If you start as an 8 year old there won't be any negativity, nor will Sakura love Shirou yet.

>also seeing shinji get destroyed makes zouken get involved in the war
He doesn't care about Shinji or Rider at all, it's not reason for his involment. He only decides to act because Shirou talked to him in the begining.

>start as an 8 year old
So this is an otome game villaness isekai? Yuck, no thanks.

it's a factor but it's seeing shinji be pathetic that jolts him into action

>What's with these threads anyway? Why not just call them "What if Shinji wasn't a psychologically damaged lowlife?"
There's another Fate series called 'fate extra ccc' that Shinji actually is not psychologically damaged lowlife.
>Being supportive of Sakura's love of Shirou is the best way to erase her negativity towards you. Quite frankly, Shinji doesn't even have to bother with magecraft let alone the Grail War. He's got looks and talent and the support of the Matou household while Zouken doesn't pay attention to him. He can lead a successful, comfortable and fulfilling life. If you he REALLY just has to have Sakura just work on her, he'll eventually catch her on the rebound from Archer and Shirou.
Actually, making her fall for you before Shirou does should be easiest task. People tend to fall in love when a helpping hand reach them while they are drowning in despair.

Hey! At least one of those are good.

So what the actual fuck was his problem? He should have just been nice to the few people that were in his life and he would have been okay

>So what the actual fuck was his problem? He should have just been nice to the few people that were in his life and he would have been okay
He thought he is special and should be heir pof Matou House

His grandpa isn't exactly nice guy.

BTW just how powerful of a mage is Zouken? Is he high-ranking Clock Tower powerful, or like one of the greats? Is he more-past-his-prime and no longer a force?

His pride told him he had to be important, and the grimoires of the Matou household validated him and energized his pride yet further, but he was not important.

In his prime he could fight a servant under favourable conditions.

Convince Sakura the rapings are something she wants

Bugs aren't a combat oriented tradition and Fuyuki is incompatible with the Zolgen magecraft. He's not that strong at all, generally speaking.

He would be half dead, and the grail would be dismantled after the 5th on every route so he is fucked anyway.

Living with Zouken.

I'm a retard that got Zouken mixed with Zelretch. Disregard me.

Aren't you confusing him with Zelretch or I missed event where Zouken beats Crimson Moon?

During the 5th? Not much, he is just tricky and hard to kill.

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I mean, could Zouken get a professorship at the Clock Tower? Sounds like a better retirement plan than what he's normally up to. Or would he not have the patience to deal with all the brats?

i'm half sure zouken was also degenerating mentally, not sure if he would be a good teacher.

I feel not many would be pleased with him pursuing what could be described as utter heresy.

>He beat a type
what

That was Zelretch, not Zouken
Different old guy

People there won't like walking bag of worms teaching students.

Damn it, this picture is so fucking cute. It physically effects me.

Could Medea fix Illya's shortened lifespan?

Doesn't she have ability to make potions that prolong life? I guess she can then.

Well shit, I guess that's what I'll be doing then.

That's that, then. Time to comb the forest for Medea at the beginning of the 5th, then start figuring out how to sway Illya.
Illya x Shinji route may just be the perfect romance.

Awesome

Medea is easily one of the best servants in the entire spectrum, she's just overlooked because she's bad at combat. If you need stuff done that isn't "kill people with lasers" then she's basically the most versatile and capable hero we know of. (Merlin and Solomon excluded, they're extremely special cases to summon in any case.)
Apply her well and you can get some really freaky results.

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you think you can have medea save illya without marrying medea?

I feel bargaining with Illya without Shirou and Saber as our meatshield would be hard as fuck. I mean sure having her as an ally could prove to be the best, with Herc's sheer strength and Rider as support we'd probably give even Gil a run for his money. Either that or we find Caster first which is even better.

She is quite sure she can clean the grail, im sure she can fix illya.
If you take FGO Solomon/Roman says that she one of the top 5 mages.
Trying to save bazett is also good, because it removes kirei from the war, and maybe a alliance with fucking lancer.

Was polygamy normal during the greek myths?

How do you save Bazett? If she you just tell her Kirei is evil, she won't believe you.

I'm hopeful that we could work something out. I mean, she got all obsessive about how small and cute Saber is in Carnival Phantasm, and Illya is even smaller and cuter. Maybe Medea and I can both love Illya.

MASTER PLAN TO WIN ALL THE WARS FOREVER:
Be a kid again and fuck around, and fuck with all the cute side characters
Ignore the worm girl and have fun playing and enjoying life like only a kid can
Gain hopes and dreams
Dream big, I need to make a harem
Fuck Worm-slut as soon as I can get it up, she needs the goop, keep going till I level up my dickings to a godly level
String along Sakura so she does my bidding when she gets her servant
Kill old-man worms with rider, I'm gonna need the rape dungeon, BUT not before I fuck Hassan, as long as I can find a hole.
Find a way to fuck Rin, I'll probably offer her gems, as long as she cleans out her stinky puss
For yet more gems, Get Rin to trade archer's ass for it, even more for a threeway
Go drinking with Taiga, fuck her too
Find a way to seduce Shiro, make him a bottom, try to do a three way saba, or a fuck fest with taiga too
Fuck Saba since she'll need the mana if it all goes to plan, rinse repeat for rider, convince her using sakura for a sweet three way
Keep the train going and fuck ASSassian after using femshiro/saba and rider/archer to pin him down
Find the sword autist, fuck him too using servants to pin him down, make him, swallow to get revenge for all the swallows he killed, find a way to fuck him in all three holes at the same time, that autist will appreciate it
Lure Caster with saber, fuck her AND her ASSassian husband, while I make both watch the respective fucking, then do it again, then do it again till they submit, assassin husband may be trained to pain, but pleasure?
WIth our powers combined pin and fuck Hercules, it might backfire, but it has to be done, after i'm done with him, Take and fuck Snow-loli and her maids too, LOLI GET
Gotta keep going, gotta go for the gold GANGBANG GILL, might as well get Koto too, cause why not? Dominate with the power of pink and stink
Find lancer, he'll probably be down, and if not, pin and fuck the bin, then do it again till the only lance he grasps is mine.
1/2

So going for Medea and then trying to get into alliance with everyone to defeat Kirei/Gilgamesh is the best choice?

Pretty much. Especially since without Avalon deus ex machina bullshit or use of UBW you basically need everyone to defeat Gil.

She's actually great at killing people with Lasers.
Fucking magic resistance is a meme.
She's probably a better magus technically than Solomon and Merlin, it's just that they have bullshit abilities/NPs.
The two spergelords constantly trip up on their own words.

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Merlin trips up on his words because he bites his tongue. Solomon fucks up spells because of unease.

I mean.
You can just use the Avalon deus ex machina too.
It's not like you don't know it's a thing.
Genius.

You need to time kirei trying to kill her, maybe put a camera to record it, then you stop him before that and has the film as proof, this need a lot of set up, but considering OP's timeframe its very doable.
The most important thing to try to end the war peacefully is getting proof the grail is being raped by angra mainyu, that would possibly let to a "everyone that i care is alive" end, that and medea to maybe clean that shit.
After that is creating a plan to murder Gil, with the element of surprise and overwhelming force its possible like it was done on the Fate/zero event in FGO.
Also make medea summon kojiro, he needs a break.

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I know why they do it, I'm just saying that it technically makes Medea better because she's capable of using her magic without freaking out.

It's the best way... or you could somehow ally with them and watch the world burn

>Merlin and Solomon are the Fate equivalent of Tejina-senpai

Yeah but when they do it right, their spells are god-tier. Plus people tend to forget this but, Merlin is a master swordsman. He wields excalibur and he is the one who taught Seiba how to properly use a sword. He doesn't even need his magic to be god-tier, the thing that holds him back is entirely his own laziness.

>Yorokobe-ing with Kirei
Yes please

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The REAL Challenge question is What if you were to become Shinji a day before Fifth Holy Grail War?

Approach the place where the grail will land
Start a gangbang right on the Leyline, we're gonna fuck, they're gonna suck, i'm gonna use my pluck, we're gonna fuck and fuck and fuck some more till the grail descends
then, then, i'm gonna put on a rubber, have medea make that shit magical, so it lets out the juice and keeps out the ock
i'm gonna fuck that grail, i'm gonna fuck it good and while illya is going, i'm gonna be fucking her while it happens, i'm gonna pound that cunny till she squirts out her mud
then i'm gonna make my wish, my wish to fuck, i'm gonna make mud-dolls
and then with the magic condom, i'm gonna fuck those dolls too, i'm gonna fuck em into the leyline, and then i'm gonna bring snow-loli back, using the power of the earth or some shit
its magic, I don't gotta explain shit
then i'm gonna fuck the leyline again, just to show it whose boss
too much will I fuck, i'm gonna absorb some magic with my dick, revitalize it or something
then with all my harem gathered, i'm gonna fuck them again, then, finally then, i'll be satisfied, i'll have fucked my way to victory,
i'll take it worldwide then, and fuck the entire clocktower, even literally
2/2

Medea's problem is that she couldn't physically fight a common human.
First thing i would do after a contract is asking her if she wants to train martial arts or similar.

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I'd just go on vacation and let the war proceed without me.

Okay, when do you define the fifth holy grail war as starting? When the first Servant is summoned? When the last Servant is summoned? The first battle?

Sure but Medea's spells are also God-tier.

Honestly if you wanted to win the war with Medea you could just have her rig random things to explode and vaporise enemy masters.

Obviously that's dumb in this case because most of the Masters would be your friends.

Let's say Prologue of Fate/stay-night

She could actually destroy a normal human.
Even E rank strength is 10x a normal human.
Rin used her gems to super reinforce herself.

But yeah, Medea has never thrown a punch in her life.

That's pretty much hard mode, i am not sure how we can get a good ending from that, too little time to fix too much shit, Maybe we could summon assassin if we got circuits but i am not sure honestly.
Best would be just not actively fighting on the war. Just helping Shirou while trying to fix shit with Sakura and trying to not get murdered by rin/medea/sakura/zouken/medusa/taiga .

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Well then I'm fucked, because Kuzuki already has Caster and Sakura's already summoned Rider. My two main plans are out the window right there.
I'd probably just let Sakura be a Master and not get involved. Live Shinji's normal mundane chad lifestyle and forget about the Grail.

I guess teaming up with Shirou by convincing him that you have same goals of stopping the war as soon as possible is best option. No one else is going to team up with Shinji at this point.

>It's almost exactly what Shinji actually tried to do
We're being sucked inexorably towards Wakame Paradise.

Yeah i meant a fight without using any type of magic, even a random guy that trained could just dodge everything.

I make love with Sakura.
Fuck the world.

I mean when Shinji did it he was being a moustache-twirling motherfucker instead of, you know, actually talking to him like an old friend would.

Hence the almost

>team with shirou
>try to get him, seibah and maaaybe rin to ally with medea
>fucking try to prove/explain that the grain is fucked
>pray that you charisma is high enough
>try to get a peaceful discussion with illya
>tell sword about illya
>tell murderloli that shirou isnt a bad person
>make murderloli believe you somehow, im not sure how
>we probably die to berserker
>???
>maybe try to use shirou to make illya believe?
>also make medea look like less of a witch and more like a wife, to make it easier to hero of justice and rin to believe her
Very few changes of working, but there are some ways, this only if we want a good ending, if we only want to survive and/or get only one waifu its easier.

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I just realised that getting Medea and teaming up with Illya brings two argonauts together.
Medusa I suppose can join the greek clusterfuck faction too.
We should have a chance against Gil with those three alone.
Would Illya even be grateful if you prolonged her life?

Crap. Misread the OP. Thought they said a week before the fifth one, not a week after the fourth one.

Maybe, getting inside illya trust walls if like walking on a minefield, even more with berserker. Taking it slow would be the best, very slow.

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>I just realised that getting Medea and teaming up with Illya brings two argonauts together.
Medea is uncomfortable with Herc around even if they're on the same side it's implied because he hugs her even while berserk

>make medea look like less of a witch and more like a wife
Just have her take her hood off. She's actually incredibly beautiful. If she's not being over the top evil, she's fine.

>"Under that robe hid one of the most beautiful women in Fate."
From the Side Material book.

Rin will probably want to fuck her.

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Yeah, Hercules was one of the few people who were decent to Medea in life.

Medea is uncomfortable with everyone not named kuzuki, it isnt anything new.
Girl has trust issues.

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Luckily for you, you can instruct Caster to teleport the both of you the fuck out of there if you hear Illya even start saying "Bahsahkah."

The problem is doing that, i wish we had shinji's tats to know how much charisma he has, or maybe its irrelevant considering we are doing it while in his body?
But yeah, medea is top tier cute/beautiful.

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If the Grail is tainted in 2004 nobody gets it.
If the Grail is unstained, Animusphere comes out nowhere and hijacks the war and murders everyone with his fuccboi and gets the Grail.

>"Hi illya, want to talk?"
>"oh, sure shinji-kun? "
>later
>"why is caster following us everywhere?"
A good way to make yourself look like you want to kill her.

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Eh, Charisma is a Servant only thing.
It's for kings and leaders, usually.

You already know the feelings and wants of quite a few people, just use your knowledge about them in order to make them like you. Just don't be an autistic retard.

she's repulsive

Medea going full ara ara on Saber while we broing it with Shirou is the dream. It'd be quite ironic since Shirou and Saber are a duo of tanks while we are a duo of spellcasters. Hell we might even train together with Sakura and Rider to really up 'em stats.

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>Escaping the Worm
>Without magical knowledge
>Implying that he will let you off without torturing you a bit

>forgetting Caster can remote teleport people and scry
Medea is absolute top tier.

Different timelines, you fag.
Solomon was not summoned on stay night's timeline.

It depends if she can cast it fast enough before berserker berserks.
It's still a bad ending cause it probably destroys any chance of having illya as waifu.

Not really if you manage your words correctly and I'm sure mentioning Shirou as a bargain chip could peak her interests. Shit, throw Shirou under the bus and reveal as many secrets if you want Illya interested, and then hit her with that 2x1 deal with Caster's elixir and info about Gil and Kotomine.

Read Case Files: Animusphere was ready to fuck the shitters of Fuyuki up in FSN too but he didn't because he hired Dr. Heartless to investigate the Grail and Dr. Heartless tipped him off it was tainted. So he dismissed it as was useless. The guy is always 10 steps in front of everyone.

Eh, it's not like Illya doesn't attempt to murder Shirou multiple times.
If we do have circuits from having a different soul, could Medea help us develop the theoretical reality marble based off of our isekai'd existence and fucky mindset?

The only reason he wasn't is that specifically, Marisbury found out the Grail was tainted months before the ritual, so he decided not to ambush it.

Oh come on, let's try to fix her and shirou's relationship while building us, its better to have both on our side, shirou autism is very useful.
Could solomon even defeat a serious gilgamesh? as in, a gilgamesh already using Ea?

That's fucking stupid though.
Solomon can't be summoned anyway because there wouldn't be a reason to send his ring to the future.

So he probably summons a shitter and gets brutalized by Goldy.

Marisbury always has the ring. The future is in general whether he uses the catalyst or not doesn't matter. the timelocks and differences of timelines set when the time flows 100 years in, that's why the future rayshifting is far more difficult that past (which is set). He also has Galahad catalyst. He's ridiculous rich, you think he doesn't have a collection of catalysts?

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I hit up kiwitugu and get him to accelerate his plan to dismantle the greater grail (his was on a 50-year timer) and then stop 9/11.

Reality marbles takes a lot of time to develop, the reason shirou could use in UBW is because he entered in contact and inside his own because archer, this make him self realize the marble a lot faster than normal.
Also you need a mind world that is detached from the real world enough for it to even work, we all probably can do that, but still.

You didnt answer the question, can him even defeat a serious gilgamesh?

Honestly, that's a pretty great deal.
She can get
>Shirou
>Normal lifespan
>knowledge of corruption
>knowledge of Gilgamesh and Kotomine.

We can even offer the bonus of having Caster mindfuck Shirou into being her slave.

I mean yeah, but the problem is CONVINCING her on not killing us on the spot. For all we know the murderloli will go
>Uso da
And turns us into a paste. She's the riskiest alternative that could theorically work as long as we got the Shirou backing us up.

You and your motherfucking reality marbel are annoying the fuck outta me.

Oh yeah, i forgot that kiritsugu tried to destroy the grail i think, i don't remember how actually.

Please do not mindfuck the shirou.

And Shirou!

He used some explosives to make a bump in the leylines that would fuck the greater grail's shit up in 50 years time

Well, I know who's getting vaporised when we've won this war.

So, is Maeda considered like a uber-mage in the current year, something about how modern mages have shitty dilluted magic circuits while mages from Maeda's era were much more rare and had much more powerful circuits or something?

Easily. Saber Alter can do.
The difference isn't even in the Servant (which we could argue) but in the Masters according to Nasu. Marisbury is just a better Master than Kirei, someone he already defeated, murdered and destroyed in his timeline. He's also someone who does intel beforehand so if he wanted to go, he would comb the place, find out about Gilgamesh with his informants and ambush him.

At what point did the grail go bad by the way and why?

Are Einsberns the bad guys?

>Saber Alter could defeat Gilgamesh
Lmao Ea gg.
>Marisbury can defeat serious Gil
Lmao Sha Naqba Imuru gg.

He's getting mindfucked and he'll enjoy it.
It'll make Illya happy.

>Could solomon even defeat a serious gilgamesh? as in, a gilgamesh already using Ea?
If Gilgamesh were to open up going all out he'd probably win. Solomon is versatile in impossible degrees but "serious" Gilgamesh would instantly pull out some anti-magecraft NP from the Gate followed by every other item he needs for victory.
Thing is, I can't see any reason Gilgamesh would get serious against someone like Solomon. Solomon, as a hero, is someone who follows the voice of a god and doesn't think for himself. He's the exact thing Gilgamesh disrespects, a human led by the nose of a divinity.

This. Toesuckahs live in the place and are connected to the land and never figured out the Grail was tainted. Not Rin or her retarded father or their grandparent. The ezburgers too despite BEING the Grails, only realize when they get there after it becomes filled. Only Zouken kind of realized after realizing Gilles summon was impossible. Absolutely nobody cares to investigate beforehand and jump into the competition like retards. Moneybills had someone specialized to check things for him before he even investigated further. He knew 100% the Grail shit was a sham, too and it was for Third Magic which Rin didn't know about (she's a stupid fuck). Solomon knew too it was meant to use Servants as sacrifices while Gil needed to be told by Kotomine and he was surprised in an unpleasant way. Every Servant had the same reaction in UBW.

Guys...why do you constantly need reminding that Gilgamesh is the series' jobber?

When will someone do something about the Clock Tower's bigotry?

Yes. Nasu straight up says no living magus could compete with her, and that includes Bazett, Barthomeloi Lorelei, Zelretch, Aoko and Touko, Francesca Prelati, etc. etc.

>Lmao Sha Naqba Imuru gg.
Is that the same thing that failed to inform him the nature of the Grail while Solomon and Marisbury both knew? Yikes bro. Wouldn't rely on something that's so shitty that never works.

>Lmao Ea gg.
Nah, Nasu already replied. Saber Alter with Sakura as Master > Gil.

Because when up against somebody like Solomon he'd actually have to use his full power.

I like how we can actually become a much better threat than original Shiji. Hell teaming with either Illya or Kirei can provide a way for survive AND mindfuck Shirou like it ain't nobody's business. Okay maybe no with Kirei cause I feel he'd backstab us the moment he gets bored of his husbando's adopted son.

Hell, we can even build bridges between them and Shirou can get his onee-chan, putting us in Ilya's good size and having Berserker and Medea team up like in the good ol' times. Hell with the Einzbern's fortune and Caster's magic who's to say we can't even purify the grail? All that's holding us back would be the time. And maybe the magic association AND Zouken if Sakura goes full retard.

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>anti-magecraft NP
Solomon himself is anti magecraft. Gil is nothing but a summon against someone who has Summoning EX.

He keeps it restrained normally, if he unsealed it, he would know pretty much everything.

>fucking the female characters
What the fuck are you, gay?

>Kill shirou and claim avalon
Avalon ran out of juice so there's no reason to get it unless you want Saber even though you can probably just manipulate Shirou into giving it to you, that boy is easy to take advantage of, about as easy as Sakura even

>saber alter can defeat a serious gilgamesh without avalon
lolno
Gilgamesh would see him as a treat, he is not that fucking idiotic to not go all in against the fucking king of mages.

>He keeps it restrained normally,
That's basically an excuse. What makes you think he has even a chance to use it before Solomon nukes him. He's really retarded against ambushes.

Solomon is the walking embodiment of magecraft.
>Gil is nothing but a summon against someone who has Summoning EX.
Now you're just granting feats where it doesn't belong. Unsummoning isn't something you can do.

why would she blame a literal child for taking her sister away from her? If anything, its within Rin's character to feel indebted to Shinji for making her sister happy

>Gilgamesh [...] is not that fucking idiotic
Mate have you even read a single story that features Gilgamesh?

>lolno
Yes, Nasu says so in latest HF boxset? He said as Heroic Spirit, Gilgamesh is stronger than Arturia but in the match in HF, what makes the difference is the Master, so Arturia will trump Gilgamesh. You idiots forget Saber Alter regenerates and shit?

>after realizing Gilles summon was impossible.

Why though?
That guy was a descendant of some mages and he was actually trying to summon a demon by the book he found in the cellar.

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you can get Medea to clean up the grail, she's able to do that, if she can't, get Saber to Excalibur that motherfucker

Medea don't even need magic circuits, something like kiritsugu origin rounds would not kill her like it would on a current era magius, medea's magic is all based on "words of power", its age of gods shit let medea's borderline imitate true magic and with high speed incantation makes her very hard to get close.
And let's not forget FUCKING RULE BREAKER.

>Saber Alter regens
Gae Bolg, Gae Buidhe, Harpe, whatever else Gil feels like using.

why would you even bother going to clock tower? At best you'd be a Waver tier magus and it'd only be worth going later on when you can get Waver to teach you

Also if you can actually get a reality marble than the Clock Tower is the last fucking place on earth you want to be.

Isn't the bad Saber supposed to be something too nasty for Gil to unzip his good weapons against?

He’s suppose to be a level 80 or so Pride. He specializes in binding which is good against spirits, and absorption is good. It’s only problem is you can’t cast curses if you have absorption since the curse goes back to you.

He can, and has fought servants solo. He can kill them too.

>shitty no healy spears
>Gil's good weapons
They aren't even A-rank.

I don't see how it would end anything else than a double kill against a full charge Ea, unless salter can regenerate from nothing.
Oh well, it's not like nasu havent talked shit that contradicts himself before.
This is also irrelevant, the point here is who would win solomon or gilgamesh.

Or you could get Circe instead who’s an actual witch instead of Medea’s autistic larping due to natural talent.

Let's not make this a powerlevel thread and go back on how to make shinji/us get a good ending.

BTW I was super disapointed in Bluebeard being the 4th War Caster. I so wanted him to be Abdul Alhazred (author of the Necrocomicon). Japan just sucks at this.

>Saber Alter with Sakura as Master > Gil.
AHHH SHIROU PLEASE DON'T USE ARCHER'S ARM I'M SORRY AHHHHHH

Gilles is pure evil and the grail was originally designed to only summon good boys

Circe isn't shown to be better than Medea. All things considered, they're peers.
Hecate granted her staff of magic power to Medea rather than Circe, so I'm inclined to believe that Medea was the superior pupil.

>summoning isn't something you can do.
You literally don't know because Goetia was limited specifically to the demon gods but Solomon had no real limitations pointed in his profile. If mere runes from shittier magus can fuck with a saint graph as we know with Scat (oh and Merlin can too), what do you think someone who is the foundation of the summoning ritual Fuyuki uses (yes, Da Vinci confirms that's Solomon's ritual as foundation for all summoning shit used later; the containers are the Counterforce: Goetia called himself the archetype of ALL the Servants so buddy, Gil is a pale copy to something that Solomon made, hence why he's the Nega Summon). Look how Zouken someone less talented can use Kojiro as a catalyst for True Assassin because he hijacked the summoning system.

Shirou still went but he learned UBW before going there, you aren't learning a Reality Marble in clock tower, in fact, its better that you learn it in Fuyuki with Rin's help

Prelati made the book

nope circe has better feats in lore and in greek mythos

FGO lore is cancer as always.

because you have to save Sakura user

One decided to learn a Reality Marble because why not. Also in one of her interludes she can do some bullshit like make potions that physically manifest a concept so you can beat it up. Does it with a big curse so you can get rid of it. It’s pretty crazy.

Nasu already said so.
HF Saber Alter crushes FSN Gil. I don't know why you're using mental gynmastics, the very text in HF calls and singles Saber Alter as the STRONGEST monster in the war. And Gil has always been a stupid fucker to play smart in 99% of situations.

Abdul Alhazred wasn't real. Nor was he a mythological figure. He is a creation of fiction, penned by H.P. Lovecraft.
You'd sooner get Lovecraft himself.
Yes, yes, I know you're immediately going to bring up Frankenstein's monster, Jekyll and Hyde, the Phantom of the Opera, Edmond Dantes, and Sherlock Holmes. These were all written generations before Lovecraft just to start. And to second, they're all justified in-setting (with the exception of Holmes [who has some big mystery that's going to come to light later]) as "people that actually existed, and had stories written about them".

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did you want a random mass murdered to summon someone like that? Do you even mana.
FGO really make the entire thing so much more confusing.
Is the staff technically a noble phantasm?

pretty sure Shirou wanted it destroyed before even knowing that it was evil so...

Shirou didn't even need Archer's Arm to beat Gil. And unlike Gil, Shirou dies to Saber unless he has Medusa's help.

[citation really needed]
Nasu expressly said Medea could learn to reverse engineer a reality marble effect if she had the time and will to do so. (She even does so in the UBW anime, but that's not a super canon thing to reference.)

It's literally just the same issue plaguing the franchise of constantly needing threat escalation. Saber Alter can't beat Serious Gil.
Saber Alter lost to fucking Shirou.
Outside of UBW.

>FGO really make the entire thing so much more confusing.
What? FGO didn't need to tell you the big fucking pentagram on the summoning circle is copyrighted by Solomon. I think nuking the shit of everyone and get the Grail is faster though.

he couldn't even use UBW , his Noble Phantasm against saber (who had infinite mana)and he beat her in 5 attacks
meanwhile he only stalemated gil by having a natural counter and even then he was boosted by a magic crest

CAN WE PLEASE NOT MAKE THIS A POWERLEVEL THREAD?

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You don't know either, mang, and just leave it at that. All the Summoning EX skill says is he can summon angels and demons. Extrapolating anything is for Nasu alone, not us.

People underestimate how much of a piece of shit Zouken was to Shinji too, he didn't worm him but he treated him as if he were worthless. And he actually was nicer when he was younger, he defended Shirou and didn't let anyone take advantage of him

A different space and “world” in your territory is something done even by modern magi. That said Medea of course could manage it to a greater degree.

Medea’s biggest setback other than her mentality is the fact that she doesn’t have a high energy capacity. At least her mana stat is high so she can use what she has well.

I don't mean that, the whole rest of what you written.

kill self immediately

gil with a good master would be willing to be serious and use it
he does in strange fake and he's so OP the grail has to restrain it

Zouken can fight a Servant in his prime? Damn.

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honestly, i think Merlin is just a lazy fuck and has the power to just swing Excalibur around instead of doing any magic shit

What would Medea's stats look like under us if we had circuits?
She was pretty heavily nerfed with Kuzuki as her Master.

God, I hate how much the series just shits on Servants now.
Servants were supposed to be top tier.

Fuck power escalation.

Maeda was wasted on Kuzuki, she would have been a serious contender in the War if she was hooked up with a proper Master (ie, one who didn't push her into rebelling).

Sometimes people ship her with Shirou, but frankly Maeda doesn't have the fighting power to protect his ass from all the white knighting he does.

Of course, he hasn't been in his prime for 200 years. Since losing Justeaze it's been a very steep downhill.

>Thing is, I can't see any reason Gilgamesh would get serious against someone like Solomon. Solomon, as a hero, is someone who follows the voice of a god and doesn't think for himself. He's the exact thing Gilgamesh disrespects, a human led by the nose of a divinity.
I think it's the opposite. You're glossing over a lot of special circumstances likewise how God isn't the gods (Kingu said there was a difference). I could explain further but it'll be lengthy. I'll just say look at the people Gil fancies: Enkidu, Kotomine and Saber. Solomon was on the same state of them before Marisbury shaped and molded him. Marisbury is the Gilgamesh in that relationship. I don't think he'll necessarily dislike Marisbury either. Sure he's likely a future Beast, but FSN Gil is one evil fucker himself, but his beef with modern humanity is "laziness." There's this super smart and accomplished person who seeks to preserve the human order with incredible achievements. He seeks to shoulder all this with the arrogance he admires.

Servants were never the top tier of power, ever.

He was born in the early 1500s, meaning he's older than Francis Drake. At his prime, he's a 300 year old magus with no scruples and a will great enough to shake the world. Is it really that much of a stretch?

Teaming up with Shirou and Sakura are the best option with Shinji's connections. Leak Rin some info via Shirou so she scouts out the Matou basement early on and hope to fuck Archer kills Zouken.

We're literally talking about FSN, his Masters are Kotomine.... or Shinji (in UBW).

On the contrary, I feel him white-knighting will force her to think on the spot and it'd be cute if they try and discuss battle plans. I feel her and Archer might be able to support each other much better than with Saber.

>Zouken can beat a servant
Wait, wait...what? His thing is bugs right? That's some damn heavyweight insects.

Third Grail War. retarded homonculus summoned Angra Mainyu and cursed it.

Basically, if you're smart with Medea, have circuits, and don't have an autistically large inferiority complex around the elf eared megawizard, you'd be able to do very well.

Kuzuki acts like a retard, honestly.

He fought Rin and Archer by himself in Heavens Feel. He was always this strong. Also servants are like high mid tier. Above most things in the modern age, hardly top dog in past ages. Very below the cosmic high reaches of Nasu.

Zouken is the vessel of the demon god Barbatos. He should be powerful if he even taps that.

>inb4 BROBATOS ;; memes

shiji (pure) could earn his respect
hell you have years
just go befriend kid gil and he'll remember you afterwards

Barbatos is nothing but FOOD!

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Yes, they are? It's just SOME specific Servants and not Mata Hari.

TYPES were around before servants dude

Then contact Marisbury and convince to become a Master for Chaldea. Get him the Grail instead of giving Seiba a source for a singularity. Now you're playing bigger leagues.

>Kid Gil
And there it is, the solution to all of our problems.

>TYPES
>relevant when Nasu doesn't even mention them when he speaks of his powerlevels in the last time

Aristoteles, Grands, and Beasts were at the top to start with.
(And yes Nasu had them in from the start, they're not retcons. Nasu may not have defined the entities as Beasts yet, nor given the original 7 servants the title of 'Grand Servants', but they certainly existed in his mind and the narrative.)

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wait do True Ancestors exist in the Fate verse?

kuzuki is just now learning how to feel, its expected.

Artoria is absolutely Grand Saber, there's no fucking way that she isn't

>It's red. My feet are missing from the heels down. "...It must be that." I stepped on numerous worms during my escape. The strengthened stick rotten just by slashing at Zouken. Then it's natural for my feet, which stepped on those worms, to follow the same fate.

This is from a bad end during the scene Shirou confronts Zouken at Ryuudou.

The Matou affinity is Water, and their attribute is Absorption. It makes all their magic go to them, and also allows energy drain and other stuff. He's also a master of familiars and binding due to it too, which is good against servants and other ghosts. He also invented Command Seals.

If you touch his worms you get your energy devoured and your stuff falls apart. He likely has a million tricks too. He's not the top of magi, but as a combatant he's very scary and he's very driven with his heroic willpower and obsessions.

Instead of a Master since my circuits are shit, become Marisbury's contact and ally to make it alive when he crashes, tell all information about the rivals Masters/Servants, ensure a top researcher position in Chaldea and warn about Lev. Before Solomon makes his wish, ask him if he can open my circuits and so I cold join Marisbury's faculty too as one of his pupils. Maybe fuck his daughter.

>clearly a retcon
>n-no!
Pls user

You're the kind of poster who denied Primate Murder was a possibility among the "evil of mankind" enemies mentioned in singularity 4, aren't you? I remember arguing with your type almost four years ago.
Types are still there, just not at all a focus of Grand Order. Because unlike the Alien God who is obviously faking it, they are truly something that kills without knowing love or hate, completely disconnected from humanity. And Nasu doesn't like telling stories about robots, even super strong robots, because that's not interesting to him.

They do, but they didn't make Arcueid it seems. Maybe True Ancestors didn't rampage as much due to the stronger human order? or maybe they died off quicker. But you also have chinese bootleg True Ancestors like Hinako hanging around so who knows.

Shinji's circuits are shit.
Circuits come from the soul.

are TYPES stronger than Beasts?

Grands were mentioned in F/SN itself, just in a vague line as "the original servants, the guardians". We thought he meant Counter Guardians. He did not, it was our own flawed assumption.
As for Beasts, well, Primate Murder's been in since Tsukihime and the Beast of Revelations was in the first draft of F/SN before he decided to dial it back to Angra Mainyu.

Yes.

There are a lot of faggots that are better swordmasters than her, but i guess its what nasu wants.

i thought circuits come from the body since Shirou got weaker when he got a new body

They are of "larger scale", but it's a matter of compatibility. Primate Murder is a bigger threat to humanity than Crimson Moon Brunestud, but in a fight between the two, Brunestud would kick Fou's ass in because he doesn't qualify as a primate.

nope he has decent circuits they're just not opened. They are opened after UBW so in a way he got his wish and sakura
what a chad

No.

Shirou just needs to adapt to his new body.

>they are truly something that kills without knowing love or hate, completely disconnected from humanity
That's only true of Type Mercury though, isn't it? Type Venus eventually came to love humanity. Who says the other Types can't too?

>he doesn't qualify as a primate.
How do you know. Anyway Kiara would fuck with CM.

Arthur was never even the best swordmaster in his own myth, his top tier knights like Lancelot and Galahad stomped him and the only thing that could match them was Excalibur. Speaking of Excalibur, Nasu has been hyping it up for a while as the strongest beam sword plus Artoria is the face of the franchise so it'd be absurd not to have her as Grand Saber

He loves stories about robots. The Einzberns are that, Sakura is that, CCC is all about that.
Yes they are. They also aren't really countered by the Beasts so there's that too. Goetia's powerful with the demon pillars, but his main thing making him Beast levels is his spirit bomb/stockpile of energy gathered and the fact that you can't nuke him with NPs. ORT would probably just beat him up directly with specs that outclass him. He could maybe kill one if he used all his energy to beam it. But when I say kill I mean "kill" the way Ado Edem and Slash Emperor "killed" but didn't actually kill TYPEs.

Type Moon functions on entirely different Concepts
Kiara can go fuck herself.

OH, so that's what he means in that interview where he says that 7 Guardians would be about equal to 1 Primate Murder.

Zouken would be a great Clock Tower professor. Imagine him shooting down Waver with a humorless "hehe" and cutting remark.

>Types are still there, just not at all a focus of Grand Order
Type Mercury is chilling in South America and the last Lostbelt is there with Grand Berserker summoned so... Some shit is going down there

>Zouken rediscovering his SEIGI NO MIKATA side as a professor in the clock tower
Spin-off anime when?

His circuits are unopened or something. The grail forced them open in UBW. I'm sure if I were Shinji, I would rather manipulate my way to get me and my sister into bigger places than backwater nip town. Become ally with Animusphere is the best option, become Solomon's pupils (I suspect he'll be ideal teacher for Sakura too) before he does his normalfag wish would be equivalent of 'Saber trains Shirou' only actually good. I'm fine with Marisbilly getting the wish as long as I get into Chaldea and acquire a top position in the Clock Tower. Sakura could remain in Fuyuki.

Impregnate Sakura.

>shinji wins the war, leaves sakura behind and starts a family with olga
KINO

>ORT chilling on Gaia sleeping
>suddenly some faggot ruins everything
>"hold on why are there crystals growing all over my lostbelt."
>"REEEEEEEEEEEEEE"

She literally fuck Mooncell that WAS Type Moon in CCC, user. And she's growth into an universal threat according to BB if not stopped.

Any concepts in the Solar System comes from humanity now. So fuck off.

Okay he likes "robots that BECOME HUMAN" but that's something the other Types don't do. Venus is unique among them since it takes other concepts into itself and we already got Venus's short story.
Beast III/R isn't even as powerful as her Heaven's Hole form in CCC, and that was only a significant fraction of the Moon Cell suborned to her power. The Moon Cell as a whole is called Type-Moon and Brunestud's equivalent. So Brunestud is way "bigger" than her in terms of magnitude.
As for whether he'd give in to pleasure and get liquified, as he does seem something of a hedonist.. well that's the compatibility issue right there.

doesn't Solomon have some Imaginary Numbers bullshit? Yeah he'd be the ideal teacher for Sakura

There's no Solomon. Also why would the Animuspheres care about you? Even with a prestigious name, you'd be treated as well as Bazett for the most part.
Zouken adventures trying to save the world before he falls in love with Justeaze would be interesting stuff.

>The grail forced them open in UBW
So this dude
>rapes Sakura
>tries to kill everyone in his school
>tries to kill his BEST and ONLY friend
>gets away with everything and has his circuits opened on top of that (?)
UBW is wack lmao.

I would also be smart to run any concepts and magecraft theories through Solomon first, even if he's human and a normalfag now, he conceptually understands this shit better than me. If we get Lev to be killed early, it should be fine.

seriously what the fuck was wrong with Shinji

Honestly, might as well make the All Fiction reality marble if we're gonna try and fuck about with Chaldea bullshit.

if lev is killed early, then the A team is still around right?
Are you sure you really want that?

Lev usually kills himself so its not too hard to deal with him

Who is even grand berserker?

>Also why would the Animuspheres care about you?
Assume I have rayshift potential, then he'll care. Plus I'll give him information about Kotomine and Gil and the Servants. I'll claim I have a small untrained clarivoyance.

>There's no Solomon.
In the scenario the Grail isn't tainted, user, there'll be one.

Possibly judging by the design. He could probably unfuck her elemental change too.

Just use and develop the deletion reality marble.
Delete those faggots, straight up.

We still haven't talked about Tsukihime yet user

Does Shinji have any chance to get a proper magic circuit? Could he have taken the worms instead?

do you think you could convince kid gil to give you a noble phantasm just in case?

Keep an eye on the A Team but Kadoc would be easy to discourage without violence. Just give him validation and express understanding about his suffering after all (I) suffered similar too.

who knows, personally hoping its Samson or Cain because i want a fucking biblical servant that isn't a king or a saint

That's true.
If you want to survive waifuing Arc, you'll also need the damn thing.
Tsukihime is nightmarishly dangerous.

Maeda would have fallen to Shirou's white knight routine, but Shirou is a very weak mage and so Maeda would always be trying to somehow catch up to his white knighting while being underpowered and not being able to consume energy like she does normally.

A mystery nigga.

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>Keep an eye on the A Team
ho're you gonna deal with the true ancestor if she starts shit? or the chick with the mystic eye?
honestly keeping them alive seem like the best way to get a mutinery

Samson could be cool, but what if it was something like the ulwednar wolf berserkers from the original myths, one of the animal cults?

Here's a question.
If you've got an ability that can turn things to fiction, could you heal death line cuts?

confirmed to be berserker?

Medea would just tickle his seigi no mikata pride and force him into performing several acts of horrid lewdity, and if Sakura finds out that just means she gets two tanks of mana rather than just one.

why is he hiding his appearance? is he being edgy?

It is not expressly confirmed but Berserker was the class Daybit wanted to summon. However Hinako summoned the wrong class (making two Sabers instead of a set of the 7) so who knows.

How many of these are we on now anyway?

who knows, we need more though

Next one we should Isekai as Sakura desu

The true Ancestor is the less relevant one. I would probably worry about Daybit smuggling guns instead.

Does Herc ever get a fair shake or is he for jobbing only?

Daybit's entire thing looks more plot relevant right now, beyond ORT.

kadoc is the less relevant one

He's the Worf. Someone to look impressive only to make us go MASAKA when the final boss shanks it.

I mean he only jobbed to what was at that time the super OP characters like Seigi no Mikata Shirou and Gilgamesh. I'd say for all her fanfare Saber was pretty fucking weak. Hell if Rin had summoned her they'd be both shank'd .

i don't wanna get wormed user

Kadoc was more interested in LB shit than Hinako, Hinako was letting hers die before Chaldea killed horsecock and she died while Kadoc is still in the running.

We're gonna have to wait for LB7 to make any real judgments.
Honestly, considering lostbelts are timelines gone astray, it may be a world where ORT was active instantly upon touching down, or a world where ORT didn't arrive at all and some consequences sprung from its lack of being. (Especially if ORT really is the reason the middle american gods ascended to divinity.)

>zouken is strong
OH NO NO NO NO

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I mean the LB isn't actually what matters but where do Daybit's deal lies, because he was the one who held up a gun against Marisbury and told him to shut down Chaldea.

For a given definition of "fair shake", Alcides in Strange Fake is at least half of Heracles cutting loose and being pretty nuts.

Zouken on his prime is strong. Not the Zouken of HF.

Zouken WAS strong. Zouken's been a rotting pile of meat for the past century.

Lostbelts are important for their effect on the cosmology. Anyway, if I remember correctly, LB6 and LB7 are belts where humanity is on the downturn and went extinct, unlike the ones where it becomes too prosperous or unchanging.

So...Zouken has the Orochimaru syndrome?

Well I mean I suspect if it's a real Grand Servant (and not another case as Qin), then Daybit is working for Panhistory. That's why I'm saying the LB stuff isn't as relevant as much as what is Daybit's deal. plot wise.

I mean it's still gonna be important enough for Nasu to actually tell us. We learn about all the lostbelts. It doesn't really matter how china became immortal and stuff but we still got paragraphs about it.

Someone should archive the ideas from this threads.

Yes, I mean the LBs also reflect their Crypters in a way, so they aren't chosen just because. Look at the latest example, Arjuna Alter was obsessed with bloodshed and wars leading to more conflict and created something to grasp 'peace' and Pepe's entire sthick aligns to that. LB3 was probably an oddity at the end because Qin turned against his Lostbelt and pruned it but he and HInako too had matches.

pretty sure one user wants to take this to /qst/ after they're done running their current one

How can Cain be on the throne of heroes if God cursed him with immortality?

Counter Force

Well there are always the archives, someone should get all thread numbers so we dont lose the ideas.

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all the threads have the same phrase "isekai'd as Shinji" so not too hard to find

God didn't curse him with immortality, he was branded with the sevenfold mark. It protects him from being murdered, not old age.

I wonder, its nasu that we are talking about, he can always bullshit and saying that "old age" also counts as being murdered by your own body/the elements.

desu i had the idea that Cain became a Counter Guardian as a way to repent for his sins but his main job is to kill Abel who turned into an Avenger, so whenever Abel is summoned, Cain is automatically summoned because he's his perfect counter

He still fights Archer and is spooky as hell even then.

heh, that would be fun.

>fights
that's an exageration

So the best plan is
>get Medea
>use meta-knowledge to form alliance with Illya (tell her the truth, give her Shirou, offer longer life.)
>Herc, Medea, Medusa, RBd Saber stomp any unruly servants
>kill Gil, Lancer, Archer and Assassin to fill Lesser Grail
>have Medea fix the corruption from manjew
>incarnate the four
Easy.

>Especially if ORT really is the reason the middle american gods ascended to divinity
elaborate

He's just hard to kill off.

>wasting your holy grain wish on incarnating some bitch ass servants
>not using it to awaken ORT
user I am disappoint.

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>wanting to die.
No.

>find kid gil
>befreind him
>kill kirei and destroy the greater grail
>go on magical boy adventures

DUDE BLACK BARREL LMAO

What the hell is he thinking? Why the hell would you rouse a Type from its slumber when it ate the fifth strongest ranked Dead Apostle Ancestor within seconds? Are Dead Apostles retarded?

>What the hell is he thinking?
DUDE ORT LMAO

If I can go to the church and give up my master status to Kotomine without dying, then I'd do that any leave the city for the rest of the week. If Kotomine would kill me I'd just use all 3 command seals to make my Heroic Spirit an hero and gtfo out of Furuyika for a week.

Pussy.
You aren't even Rider's master anyway.

>stay in an attempt to win a corrupted grail, with a 99% chance of death
>run and live
Geeh, when you put in that way.

thats why you won't get a waifu as Shinji

>stay
>win war perfectly, unfuck grail with Caster
>get pussy for days with Caster, Rider, Sakura and Rin (maybe)

how dangerous would it be to go for the incest (but not really) route with sakura?

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>99 percent chance of death
What are you, retarded?
How can you possibly fuck up that hard when you're pretty much operating on Clairvoyance EX?

>corrupted grail
>what is medea
Its not that hard to ally with her, if you jave a servant just asking is enough, see archer on UBW.

She'd go yandere brocon for you and you'd end up in Heaven's Feel. So, very dangerous.

So, gods. There's various methods for gods to be gods. There's the gods who were gods from the start, aliens who descended from space. The Mesopotamian gods and the Indian gods are of this variety. Then the gods who are natural phenomenon worshiped and given form by humans, up-jumped elementals made by mankind's internal desire for a parental figure as stated by Gatou. It's unclear which tribes of gods fit this variety but I'd be leaning towards greco-roman and norse because they share a similar theme of being powerful robots that interact with humans as gods only because humans wanted it that way. We may learn more later.
Lastly, there's the flora and fauna that was "infected" by "a pathogen" when something fell from the sky. The middle american gods are of this variety, and the celtic gods may be too (since Fragarach is carried by a pathogen in the Fraga's bloodstream).
Since ORT is something that fell from the sky, and Quetzalcoatl feuds with the god Tezcatlipoca whom she calls "the spider", a relationship is possible.

Or just find her before Kuzuki.

it would only be really dangerous if you try to go for other girls, especially Rin. Its absurdly easy to make Sakura fall for you, the problem is the reaction she would have with you. She could turn extremely possessive and won't take it well if she thinks another girl is taking away the one good thing she has in her life, so you have to be sure not to make her think that or things are not looking too good for you

So it's kind of super dangerous, then?

As an anime only shitter, reading these threads has been fun.

So I have a question. How hard would it be to get all the servants and masters to give up on the grail and consider cease fire? Since the grail is pretty much shitting things up for everyone all the time and nobody ever gets to use it plus the fact it always results in thousands of casualties. I'm wondering if it would be possible to have a peaceful but political/bureaucratic route with masters vs the top dogs setting up the wars in the first place.

>Of course I love rin, but I love you as a sister
How would she react

she would actually murder Rin

No one gives a fuck about grail except for Saber anyway. The problem is their personality clash too much and they have enemy status by default.

depends honestly, she might be okay with it if you make it a point that you're never leaving her

Bad End 40.

Is it so hard to convince saber that her dreams are literally pointless and if she changes the past the butterfly effect will ruin all the good things that came of it? It makes no sense to me to want to change the past. People grow through challenges and trauma, if you wish you never experienced those things you will end up staying a naive baby. Wtf Saber..

Just tell her it's impossible due to the Quantum Timelock.
Alaya is japing her.

You're pretty much voicing what Shirou was trying to tell her throughout the whole Fate route. She's hard to get to.

This might work.
But god damn you do not want Sakura going full Yandere on you.

how should you act to make sakura's personality not shit?

How does Zouken fair against Shiki?

Death point gg?

But Isn't his death point hidden deep inside somebody else's ass?

hpw does zouken fare against touko

I guess Shiki can free Sakura from the worm inside her heart.

Shinji's circuits are shit, but he has amazing natural talent at anything based in actual skill. So I'd study some formalcraft to open them myself and maybe do some magecraft worth a damn, but the more important thing is to go out there and get some actual skills like as an alchemist or executor or something. Ultimately, my goal is to abuse Medea's blood; it has healing properties, so if I become a Dead Apostle and chow down a bit, I should be good. If that doesn't work, and it should, I'd have to try and make a deal with Medea for a potion to cure my vampirism, gaining all the benefits with none of the downsides. I know Medea can definitely do it, since we've seen someone with less technical talent pull it off.

>Quit being a piece of shit
>Start being nice to Sakura
>Play the whole "everyone treated me like shit" act so she feels sorry for me
>Stay in good terms with Shirou
>Ask for help with that old fuck Zouken from Shirou, Rin and anyone else I can get
>Lowkey support Sakura in the war, without taking too many risks or putting ourselves in too much danger
>Cum deep inside Sakura every day, after making her feel sorry for me and telling her I love her

Nasu says she would have immediately taken Medusa back if Medusa had told her Shinji's plans. Was in the UBW animal's Q&A. I remember people used to back in the day say Sakura just hated people and wanted the Bloodfort, but Nasu just shot that theory right in the booty.

>Medea's blood
I hope you meant Medusa's Blood.
Also, your circuits would be fucky.
They'd be whatever you as an otherworldly soul have, overlaid onto Shinji's shitty ones.
You could be fantastic at Magecraft, honestly.

>curing your vampirism
>not using the Holy Grail to revive Crimson Moon Brunestud (or the Dark Six if the Grail can't do that) and overthrow the Human Order while you reinstate the Dead Apostle Ancestors
Imagine being this gay.

Sorry, yes. Medusa is the monster with freaky blood that I can reliably expect to give orders to. And I really hope I do get a boost; the best alternative I can think of is doing something with the Argon Coin, and if even Medea can't figure out how to wake it up, how could I hope to eat or assimilate it?

I'm just trying to head into the War from the best possible position, and melting in the sun isn't a good position to be in.

Wouldn't turning into a Dead Apostle allow you to make super rapid progress on the Deletion Reality Marble?

Also, the condition is kind of incurable.
Maybe you can go sulk with Sacchin.

Sion/Dust of Osiris proves that you can remove the downsides, though, turning it into a straight power boost. She needed a philosopher's stone to do that, sure, but that's what we've got Servants for.

And no, Depletion Garden was Sacchin's unique power. Even if I started developing a Reality Marble in time for the War, it would be different from hers.

Probably wouldn't work, Sakura is pretty conservative minded and wouldn't go for incest, even in the spirit of it with NBR. Even guys who actually try to go for her in Hollow she ignores, Shirou had to work to get her out of her ultra cold kuudere state. Poor Minori will never be more than a cute little brother and he actually tries.

I know Depletion Gardens is unique to her.
It's been a running thing in these threads that your isekai'd soul and metafiction messing with your mind could allow for the development of a reality marble that straight up allows for the deletion of things by rendering them fictional.

To be fair, this is before Shirou ever meets her.
She might have a different attitude if Shinji is always good to her and tries to get her out of the house as often as possible.

don't think you'll easily be able to get away with being a Dead Apostle with people like Rin and Kirei around

Servants and Alaya are gay
*dabs*

yeah thats what makes the harem route a good challenge

Oh man Kirei is gonna fuck anons shit right up.

>How do you survive being Shinji?
Hope it's UBW route

People forget that part in Fate route where Rin was angry at Shirou for getting Sakura to make him breakfast, and she KNOWS Sakura is happy with Shirou. She is jealous of her imouto being happy with another family, even if part of her doesn't want to admit it.

yeah Kirei, even though he loves making people suffer, fucking hates Dead Apostles and would not wait to put one down

Yeah, Kirei is actually my biggest threat. He takes his job as an Executor seriously.

Anger didn't really stop her from having a threesome with Shirou did it?

Well nobody replied with a fun response. Oh well. Who even is responsible for the holy grail war and why are only 7 servants summoned? Aren't servants summoned outside of the grail wars too? How do they not eat up the slot for the war? (I just watched El Melloi case files)

Jesus user, there are a few, what do you even consider a fun reply

Okay but how do we fuck Shirou?

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Summoning and maintaining Heroic Spirits is incredibly difficult, and if they don''t have a reason to fight for you, it's not going to work at all. It's basically impossible without massive infrastructure like a Grail or Chaldea.

According to my plan, you drink taiga and shiro under the table, then we have a drunken three way while they're shitfaced

Dead Apostle should shit all over Shirou. They (or at least a DA on Jester Kature's level) can deny the power of Noble Phantasms used by regular humans, so they'd theoretically hardcounter Shirou.

>fucking hates Dead Apostles
What, really? Why?

idk Shirou did consider fucking Issei so its not too hard

As a friend and brother, but that is as far as you'd get really. This is around Zero, but by that time, she has lived with Shinji for a year and change, and even back then, he was a snot nosed brat. She doesn't forget things easily, so you'd get her glad you're better, but no brocon romance.

Because you need 7 servants to complete the ritual and servants are summoned by that grail itself to fill the slots.

Ask Kid Gil for some gender switching potion.
I'm sure that he has something like that in the GoB.

No :(
My original post
I was curious about the whole foundation for the war and it's reasoning. What's stopping Masters from banding together or someone going rogue to dismantle the higher ups' plans.

Brilliant!

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he's an Executioner user and he takes his faith very seriously, Dead Apostle are an abomination under the eyes of God and must be put down immediately

Killing Shirou doesn't help unless I can inherit his Reality Marble. I doubt we'll be compatible enough, so he's better used as research materials, unless I can swing him on the vampire thing and keep him as a friend, in which case having a strong fighter on my side is vital.

What's god even up to in this universe?

It's a scam by three founding families to reach the root where they advertise it to outsiders and summoned servants as wish granting miracle.

she met Shinji after Zero i'm pretty sure, plus Sakura has no friends other than Rin who checks up on her and Shirou but thats years and years later

We don't know. Nasu is pussyfooting around that topic (understandably).

She hasn't even met Shinji once yet.

depends on what you consider God to be, there are tons of them in Nasuverse

Of course, because she harbored a crush on him too. Put it to you this way, in Hollow, when Rin and Shirou were imagining all the girls in maid outfits, she got really irritated when Shirou imagined Sakura in one, saying she'll have to speak with her as she thinks Sakura would immediately try it if Shirou asked. She got pissed. She wants imouto love man, even if she wants sword dick too. You forget, Rin herself is really possessive, see how she acts in UBW Good. People say Sakura is possessive, but then they forget Future Dere Rin.

>Shirou
>a regular human
Lol.

I wouldn't even mind if he shits all over him. Im mature enough to differentiate fiction from reality but there will always be someone inevitably REEE-ing because someone said something bad about a fictional god.

well when we talk about possessive with Sakura we don't mean "you can't be with anyone else if you wanna be with me" its more "I kill everyone then myself" which yk, probably easier to deal with the first one. Also still implied that Shirou sleeps with Saber in UBW Good so she's not that possessive

but the important question is do we fuck femshirou or we would let shirou fuck us as femshinji

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I think the solution is to become Best Girl.

Yes

Eh, Sakura gets exaggerated in conversations a lot because they think of her when she is at the brink is the way she is all the time, which is untrue, as she mentions liking Saber for instance when they talked in the Fate route, and the context that Sakura is apprehensive due to Saber being a servant, not just a female around Shirou. And I mentioned Future Dere Rin for a reason, since she threatened to hunt down and kill her younger self. Did you forget that Nasu says the two sisters are alike, which is why they butt heads sometimes? Though to be fair, Luvia was mentioned that she and Sakura would get along famously in the HF2 interview, while Luvia is at Rin's throat constantly, so who knows. Sakura may just be the more tempering influence.

Yes

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Well Sakura has a demon in her that is taking whatever opportunity it can so it can go eat people, thats why its dangerous to go for Sakura, not only because you can be the reason for her to go Dark Sakura, but because Zouken can just straight up kill you just to make her suffer. Sakura as she is normally isn't all that bad, too obsessive yeah but not dangerous.

yes

Have sex with Shirou

And anons are going to try to get Sakura to fall for them while she still has manjew inside her.
Good lord this can only go poorly.

Better start working on that reality marble, Shinji.

I don't even think the reality marble will do much against all those odds, specially considering how fucking hard it is to pull it off in the first place

>rule breaker

Can shinji not take Sakura to the priest and clear away the worms like in HF?

>trusting Kirei to do anything

Do you want to get us yorokobe'd?

Steal Sakura's dirty panties and sniff them every day

That seems kind of like too much effort considering with some choice actions we can probably have her fall head over heels for us.

What are the materials that depict/talk about the years between the 4th and 5th grail war? Asking mostly if user doesn't deliver I might do the /qst/

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I'm sure user will deliver, they are just busy running another Fate quest.
I suppose you'd want to read the Materials Books though.

ah shit, i don't know the names off the top of my head but i do know the enough of what happened inbetween, like how Shinji never really gave a shit about Sakura, even when he wasn't a rapist he basically treated her like a guard dog and pitied her. Also Kerry went to the Einzbern manor a lot to try to get Illya and Shirou and Shinji became friends because someone was taking advantage of Shirou and making him do school work late at night, Shinji tried getting him to bail but he wouldn't leave so he stayed with him

Some of that stuff is in HA.
It can also be surmised that Kerry is on multiple No-Fly lists.

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What's up with this thread template? I thought these weren't allowed on Yea Forums with a few exceptions, and this one is by far the worst of the bunch. "This is My King" is much better,

>I always thought he just liked boats.
I wanna be best friends with Shirou before anything else

because its fun user and people enjoy it

It's not really a thread template, honestly.
It's just a theme to drive discussion.
All of the OPs have been different.

Also it seems to do a good job at actually staving off excessive shitposting.

What are you talking about? A thread template is an identical thread that gets posted periodically that isn't a General thread. I've seen this "what if you become shinji from F/GO prequel" thread many, many, times.

yeah this always drives to different discussion thats not involved to isekai, like if you scroll above we started talking about what the fuck the Counter Force is

>"what if you become shinji from F/GO prequel"
Ah, so you're just trolling then
Carry on.

Cope, shonenshitter.

He really is great isn't he?
Unironically the best friend you could ever make in the world.
He would literally throw himself in front of a bus to save you. (or well, anyone, but he needs to work on that)

you were isekai'd thinking you were gonna get laid but got a best bro along the way

If we can get the Fiction Conversion Reality Marble we can go around the world saving people with Sword Autist after the war by deleting incurable illnesses and wounds.

Even if I was fucking Sakura i'm still going after her undies

I still don't know that that's really an appropriate Reality Marble. It kind of sounds like Mystic Eyes of Death Perception but shoehorned into an RM slot.

what do you have in mind user?

>what is medea
A meme? Medea never purifies shit, she just stops Servants from dying and activating the Great Grail. There's zero evidence she purifies anything. If you have it, please cite it.

That's why she literally is hanging around using the still existing active mana and feeding on people rather than incarnating as she would have IF the Grail was purified in that bad end.

I dunno, if you're going to put me on the spot like that. Probably something based on black ink, like Ichibe (Bleach), Amy (Okami), or All-Black (Marvel). It'd fairly versatile within it's one, clearly defined theme and relates to the meta-fictional narrative expounded by its wielder.

It's somewhat similar to MEoDP I suppose.
Fundamentals would be different though.

MEoDP also don't have the possibility of going out of control and erasing reality indiscriminately.

In another scenario how would you bond with emiya if you summoned him
how would he react to you wanting to save him

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i don't wanna die user

would Path to Victory work as a RM? Feels like that would work in conjunction with your meta knowledge and put you in a position where you have to think things through instead of killing everything

>Path to Victory
>think things through
It's an ultra high powered precognition that literally gives you a step-by-step guide to achieving any result with superhuman precision. You don't have to think about shit. That said, Meruka was in KnK and had such a power, until Shiki killed the future where he blew her up, anyway.

No it wouldn't, it's not really compatible with how RMs work.
Unless it's a Reality Marble with the condition where you always win upon summoning it.

Also Gil already has Path to Victory.

never really made sense that he had that since he has a fucking treasure trove of weapons past, present and future and has an "I Win" button with fucking Ea what the fuck Nasu

>Excalimarble: World of Promised Victory

So, theoretically if you got the marble, and news got out that you've got a marble with the ability to erase pretty much whatever you want from existance, how many Magi/Dead Apostles/other magical fuckers will want to capture you?

they would kill you if they can't grab you

Honestly, they might have trouble with that.
Considering the auto-repairing Reality Marbles try to do on their owners, you would likely have Avalon+ tier healing.

You'd need to obliterate the head.

there are some magus that can kill anyone at the cost of their own life, if it really got that bad, then they would use that

Everyone from the Clocktower to the Wandering Sea would want a piece of your Wakame Ass.

It's effectively True Magic, honestly.

Sure but they've also got to fight an enemy that can kill them no matter their defence with a single attack who can shrug off the majority of your attacks.

And there's no guarantee that their last gambit suicide attack isn't erased before it hits

>a meme
>one the best mages that ever existed

Path to victory is kind of what Kamekura from KnK has with his mystic eyes. Pretty much what Musashi has too. Then you have Atlas Alchemists being mentats who math out the future. In Nasu however a defined and concrete future is pretty much what servants and heroes overcome. A guaranteed outcome is similar to a curse as a forced fate. It’d be far from amazing in a grail war.

wait is Illya Russian or German? Her name sounds Russian

She's supposed to be German, Nasu just isn't that good at making Western-style names (cf. "Luviagelita")

Nasu comes up with weird ass names, sometimes they work but other times it sounds like you need 3 tongues to pronounce it

Shirou didn't work for shit, she just made him his meals and acted like himself around her and that was enough

Where the fuck to download fate anymore? I haven't played for about 8 years, and I don't know if fuwa still exists, last I checked they stopped hosting vns and stopped translating

Waiting for your proof.

Hey OP I've seen this thread every week for I think about 3-4 weeks now I'm very tired of being Shinji I'm already on my fourth new game plus please let me be someone else I'm begging you I don't wanna be Shinji after the fourth grail war again I'll take Shinji Ikari Instead please for the love of god stop making me into Shinji Matou

The true question is how to win the Holy Grail War as Shinji without all the meta knowledge of knowing the events that happen or the abilities of everyone.

Anyone else would be too easy. What about you're Shirou but you grew up functional and didn't train your magicraft in the shack thus can't get UBW during the Holy Grail War.

I'm with this user, let's be Sakura next!

Bump limit. See you in the next episode of Fate Isekai adventures.

>Rin says
She's a dumb naive teen. She doesn't anything about anything. Shinji's chad beam would be beyound harem MC levels if he wasn't so fucked in the head.