Vinland Saga

>but he was from the cities in norway which were pagan

i mean christian

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>>set during the Christianization of Norsemen
No it's not. It's like two hundred years before that starts happening.

Even when churches sprung up, double worship wasnt that uncommon. Getting rid of paganism was a slow progress.

I don't quite get this manga/anime. In the first half it tries to stay accurate with historical facts, but for whatever reason the main guys are supernaturally strong. And then, in the later arcs there's a guy who even calls his attacks and it also seems the author stopped giving a fuck about being historically accurate with the events.

Actually christianity was well established in Denmark by the turn of the year 1100.
It was due to early christianization by Harald Bluetooth as well as the political necessity to assimilate Christians that they came to rule over in England and Ireland.

If there's anything i learned from ck2, sending missionaries and funds to build a church won't do jack shit. You gotta send the zealots if you want to get shit done.

Iceland became officially Christian in 1000 AD

The first episodes have a kid who naruto runs and duel wields knives. It was a joke to begin with.

Were Norsemen living in England mostly pagan or christian?

So the Christian rulers didn't have any Christian soldiers? Why did pagans fight for Christians instead of deposing them?

You are not really good at history and politics, aren't you?

Same reason why some muslim mercenaries fought in the christina crusade against fellow muslims. money.

>Why did pagans fight for Christians instead of deposing them?
Why not?
Thor doesn't mind if you pray to some other deity. Polytheism is a bit like free trade. You ask a God for a favor, and you pay some tribute. If he delivers, you give a big sacrifice. There's no obligation to pray to Thor on every Thorsday, and there's no rule that you shan't have any Gods other than Thor.

>beard on mail
That's gotta hurt.

That pokeball shield
Nords were true weebs

>Post a Christian character

That shield is not historical.
War shields were not naked wood, which would have splintered too easily and been way too unstable. Peace shields would not have survived as much punishment as this shield apparently has.

And I find the edge covering to look pretty silly. Who did this shoddy job? His armor and sword show much better craftsmanship.

They did, they were the housecarls and soldiers of local Jarls, Thegns (thats Thane to you) lords and kings. Once the church got established, money started flowing. They collected taxes in a way you could not before (since if you don't pay christian taxes, you suffer not only in this life, oh and fuck your kids etc) Then there was the whole thing of vikings turned saints, which caused pilgrimage (which also was a huge source of income)

Protecting the church meant protecting your coffers. Once the church got properly established, they also simplified local order and made laws universal across local borders and so on. The Thegns, jarls, kings and church were locked in a constant state of codependance and conflict. there were no time or interest to have "pagans" be a third party, disrupting the flow of money and the relative peace that came from a unified set of beliefs.

Not that they would not have peace as pagans, but you can't have that when the christian doctrine outlawed it.

>not knowing that most vikings who converted just worshipped Jesus as another god along with the other ones they already believed in

fugg the Bobe :DD
1171 or 1172 Gravis Admodum Pope Alexander III calls for capturing the possible fortifications of Finns proper in Gravis Admodum on 9. September, since every time they are not threatened by enemies they renounce Catholic Faith and return to Finnish Paganism.

>Not that they would not have peace as pagans, but you can't have that when the christian doctrine outlawed it.
ah olde norsemen, it's illegal to be criminal

>In the first half it tries to stay accurate with historical facts,

You wot, mate? Thorfinn Karlsfeni was not an elite warrior, and his father was not a Jomsviking

>but for whatever reason the main guys are supernaturally strong.

You are underestimating how much skill, training, and experience with a melee weapon actually matters IRL. There is a massive difference between wielding a weapon and knowing how to actually fight with it, and, to give one notable historical example, it is the principal reason why the Romans initially trounced all of the barbarians they encountered with incredible kill-ratios (like over 10:1 in a lot of cases). Keep in mind that your average late republic/early imperial Roman soldier was pretty tough but a total manlet (like 5'2'' on average) while the Gauls and Germans they were fighting were all tall, strong dudes. Even with that, it was only through either treachery (Teutoberg) or after the barbarians had learned to fight in the Roman fashion through serving in the legions (Atilla) that this was no longer the case.

>And then, in the later arcs there's a guy who even calls his attacks

Garm? Yeah, he's a fucking dumb addition to the story. The only good scene he has is where Thorfinn uses what Askeladd taught him to trounce him.

>and it also seems the author stopped giving a fuck about being historically accurate with the events.

Nobody knows what actually happened to the Jomsvikings IRL, and it was something the author needed to address eventually considering how heavily they figured into everything that came before. People shit on the arc, but aside from Hild's autism, that missing link thing that Floki had for some reason, and everything involving Garm, it was pretty good. All of the Baltic War chapters that highlighted the normal soldiers on each side were particularly great.

The characters we see may be pagan but that doesn't mean 99% of the Norsemen are. Our perspective is mainly from one band of vikings. Very small in scope. King Sweyn is Christian. Don't you think that implies that a lot more Norsemen converted?

>it is the principal reason why the Romans initially trounced all of the barbarians they encountered with incredible kill-ratios
Wut? The Romans became the dominant power they were because they could bounce back from devastating losses when their foes couldn't. A defeat on the scale of Arausio, 80000+ legionaries killed in a single day, didn't stop them. Or just look at the Punic Wars.

>it is the principal reason why the Romans initially trounced all of the barbarians they encountered with incredible kill-ratios (like over 10:1 in a lot of cases).
No. Discipline and logistics were the Romans' primary advantages.
Skill also played a role, of course.
But having a large group of soldiers actually fight as a unit is a big thing, and getting a large group of soldiers equipped and fed and moving through enemy territory is an even bigger thing, one that unfortunately often gets overlooked in fiction so people think it's no big deal.

Goood posts

Fuck now I cant unsee it

>murder 10 butt naked suebi downies
>report back you slaughtered 10000 barbarians so you get a triumph
muh romans

Kek

>Thorfinn Karlsfeni was not an elite warrior, and his father was not a Jomsviking
Prove it

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There is no mention of Thorfinn being a warrior in the sagas, and his father was a farmer IIRC. But Gudrid was also supposed to be a widow. It's just the author taking some liberties.

I know that the Romans had superb logistics during the late Republic and early Empire and that this was why they were ultimately able to prevail in pitched conflicts against other great powers. What I am talking about, however, is the performance of the legions against the barbarians. Caesar conquered most of France and modern day Belgium with no more than eleven legions, and he was outnumbered in every single major battle he won. Yes, logistics are what gave him the opportunity to win in the first place, but the actual reason for his victories is because of his superior skill as a general and politician and the superior skill of his soldiers compared to the randoms in the barbarian hordes.

>with incredible kill-ratios (like over 10:1 in a lot of cases).
That is easy mistake for amateurs to make. But these incredible kill-ratios were normal.
You see, unlike in video games, most soldiers are not brainwashed maniacs who will fight to the last even as you easily slaughter them one by one.
For an army's morale to break and the soldiers to rout, it usually took

The sagas say that Thorfinn was a merchant from Iceland, but him being a warrior in his youth doesn't contradict history. The characters would be pretty bland if Yukimura didn't fill the gaps with his own stuff

But Gudrid IS a widow

Caesar allied himself with several Gallic tribes like the Remi.

>Caesar conquered most of France
And mostly he fought armies that were significantly smaller than his own. Logistics.

He is also one of the greatest generals of that time period.
>he was outnumbered in every single major battle he won.
Definitely not. People say that the numbers he claims about the forces he faced at Alesia are believable because the army was a do-or-die thing where no one even tried figuring out how to feed the army after a relatively short confrontation.
Otherwise, he usually just ran into smaller armies.

He also wiped out some 600k Germans on a single day. But those were TRIBES, most of them were civilians and ALL of them were panicking. He didn't even kill them directly. He just drove them into the Rhine.
>the superior skill of his soldiers compared to the randoms in the barbarian hordes.
That's why his soldiers were so scared of the Germans, right? Because they could easily kill them mano a mano?

>99% of characters are pagan
what are you even talking about? Have you even read the Manga?
What about Leif, Einar, Knut, Ragnar and so many other christian characters.

Btw religion isn't even that emphasized in the manga.

How do I save her bros?

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used goods, let her rot

Bwahahahhah nordnigger triggered.

If anything, I'm a Julius-Caesar fag.

speed readers, mate

Because it's so absurd that she's a virgin widow.

Are all women just holes to fuck for you?

where's the lie tho?

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no, but not every oppressed woman is a damsel in distress either

Nobody has ever stuck their dick in any cereal bowl ive eaten from thougg.

Speak for yourself ;)

I did

Even with Christianization, Christian vikings like Harald Hardrada are said to have prayed to both God and the Aesir before his big battles. Having a mixed religion is actually common in any society that is recently converted.

>Arrive in Vinland
>Get the fuck back, snowniggers.
There, I just spoiled the ending of this manga.

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Thorfinn will use Valhalla to subdue the indians

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I can't think of a 100% christian country that doesn't mix it with pagan traditions.

>Harald Hardrada are said to have prayed to both God and the Aesir
Source?

>Because it's so absurd that she's a virgin widow.
Sup.

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Siggy was supposed to give her the D right after the marriage ceremony what happened with her first husband?

He ded.

Her first husband was Leif's brother but he was retarded and started shooting arrows at natives so they killed him

I know what happened to him I'm asking what happened to the wedding night.

He was an explorer like Leif and got killed by Skraelings shortly after the marriage.

He drank too much and fell asleep. In the morning Gudrid told him that they fucked and he was like oh ok. There I solved it

too busy, gotta go shoot skræling in vinland

He just didn't fuck her because of currents or something, he didn't want to wait half a year to shoot Skraelings.

Who says she didn't stab him like she tried with Siggy and they turned the story into "oh no indians killed him"

Thorfinn is like a angry cute pet fox.

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>You're next, Thorfinn

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>Why did pagans fight for Christians instead of deposing them?
Not entirely the same thing, but look what happened during the French Revolution: the army sided with the republic. Not because they were all republicans (in fact most of them had sworn oaths of loyalty to the king) but because the republicans controlled Paris, which meant they controlled the army's paycheck. Professional soldiers will generally fight for whoever pays them. If you're talking about tribal warbands or conscripts then loyalty to the tribe/chieftain/nation plays more of a role.

I doubt the average huscarl gave much of a fuck whether his king worshipped Thor or the weird cross-stick man as long as the pay was good and consistent.

Based Owladd

Given that the majority of premodern marriages were arranged, consummating your marriage while your wife is still just a stranger to you is a good way to get things off to a bad start. Catherine of Aragon () and her first husband, the older brother of Henry VIII, did not have sex despite being married for several months before he suddenly died, and that's far from the most striking case. Marie Antoinette was married at age 14, and it wasn't until she was 21 that she actually had sex with her husband for the first time.

Because the story started in Iceland, away from mainland Europe, they weren't Christianized yet, it's so obvious.

Why do internet pseuds think soldiers act like fucking automatons who can only care about one thing? Do you think maybe murdering thousands of starving people is something the army didn't quite feel like doing, especially on behalf of a shitty king who was letting them starve?

>Marie Antoinette was married at age 14, and it wasn't until she was 21 that she actually had sex with her husband for the first time.
Not disagreeing with you but I think that Marie Antoinette and Louis XVI were on bad terms. He was distrustful towards Austria and because of that, she was ostracized both by nobles and commoners. Her situation was pretty fucked up.

because they do

>Her situation was pretty fucked up.
Am I supposed to feel sorry for the person literally using model ships as a hairstyle?

See

Catherine of Aragon's siutation was fucked too. Nobody wanted her in the family after her husband suddenly died. I don't envy nobles of the past doesn't matter how much money they had.

Yes because you had to sleep sitting up with those hairstyles.

Aren't you a little too optimistic? Back in the day sacking and razing cities to the ground was nothing special, soldiers raped populace en masse, sometimes till the victims died. There were armies looting their own homeland.
I do. She was a victim and despite that, she maintained some sort of grace. She had to endure undeserved humiliation and even today pseudo-intellectuals propagate memes like "let them eat cake". She is a pitiful woman.

>The Turkish Abductions (Icelandic: Tyrkjaránið) were a series of slave raids by Ottoman pirates that took place in Iceland between 20 June and 19 July 1627. Pirates from Morocco and Algeria, under the command of Dutch pirate Murat Reis, raided the village of Grindavík on the southwestern coast, Berufjörður and Breiðdalur in the Eastern Region (the East Fjords), and Vestmannaeyjar (islands off the south coast); they captured an estimated 400–800 prisoners to sell into slavery.
This would've been Ylva's fate had she been born a few hundred years late

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It's always a mistake to apply our morals to something in the past.

Nobles of the past were fucked up. There was a certain Byzantine empress who blinded her own son just to make sure he couldn't be a political rival to her. Imagine your own mother stabbing your fucking eyes out because you might claim her throne. Or what about Ivan the Terrible, who beat his own son to death.

Really makes you appreciate the fact that you can just cuddle your mother without fearing any harm and that the worst fights you had with your father ended with the two of you calling eachother faggots. I seriously can't imagine harming my own parents, no matter what political gain could be involved.

She was forced to spend her entire adult life as a political tool, and she had a miserable end. I am not just referring to her execution but how she was humiliated and psychologically broken before she was killed. She was forcibly separated from her children by the revolutionaries, who turned her own son against her and set up a show trial where she was convicted of molesting him. Unless your name is Robespierre or Saint-Juste, it's hard to not feel some sympathy for her.

not to mention the countless of sons who killed/deposed their own fathers

I'm trying to learn more Byzantine history. Are you talking about Zoe and Michael V?

I thought I was the only one feeling bad for her. Everyone is just repeating the cake thing.

>Ivan the Terrible, who beat his own son to death
The whole fucking story was metal as fuck. First, Ivan beat the crap out of his daughter who at the time was pregnant. She miscarried. Then her brother came, seething and all, and asking what the fuck was that about. So Ivan smacked him in the head with a metal tool and turned him into a potato. Poor bastard died shortly after.

>Aren't you a little too optimistic?
Aren't you a little too pessimistic? Why does everything need to fit neatly in its place in your mind? The french revolution was way more complicated at every level than what you've been saying.

I googled it and no, I was talking about Irene.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irene_of_Athens

Yeah, that's the kind of shit I just don't get. Even if noble families were less close because most of the actual childrearing would be done by servants, I still can't understand how you can do that to your own flesh and blood.

This happened in Farmland Arc. I guess that's part of what makes that particular arc great.

And she always had wonderful clothes to wear, plenty of delicious food to eat, attended exclusive parties for nobles and never had to actually work a day in her life. You'll just have to forgive me if I don't have much sympathy for a person who was living the high life without a fucking care while the rest of the country was starving.

>don't criticize them for letting their people starve they had different values!
Your statement completely defies common sense.

I'd rather be a peasant with a nice family than a noble where everyone wants to kill me 24/7 but at least I get cake and a nice dress. It's not like anyone had a choice.

I think the problem with nobles in general is what Victor Hugo had to say about Louis-Philippe: he would've been a decent man without his crown.

Nice strawman, brainlet.

i really like this painting

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>nobles of the past really had it hard lol
They objectively lead much better lives then the people they ruled. What the fuck is this stupid "nobles were actually cool and lived hard lives" attitude in this thread?

The french revolution is not the only conflict that went awry. Just check what bolsheviks did, what Chinese did to each other, how Nobunaga used to win his wars, how Atilla and countless other barbarian warlords conquered the land, what Vlad the Impaler had to do, I could go on and on. Hell, my grandpa who died 2 years ago remembered WW2 and it was arguably the worst conflict in human history.
Now I admit that there were people who disliked killing and for example they just pretended they were shooting or something but that does not really matter if a huge chunk of the army gets hard while imagining what they are going to do with the subjugated populace.

In the case of Ivan the Terrible, it was an expected outcome given his personality and status. He was absolutely ruthless, had a ferocious temper, and wielded more power than any other Grand Duke of Moscow before him. All of these things together worked to create the perfect storm where he killed his own heir. The worst part of it all, though, was the aftermath. Russia had to deal with decades of strife and misrule because the younger son who inherited the new title of Tsar was incapable and the last direct descendant of Rurik, all because Ivan the Terrible couldn't keep himself from chimping out one afternoon.

>I'd rather be a peasant with a nice family
You'd prefer being a starving slave instead of nobility? You might actually be mentally deficient.

That's literally what you were saying you dumb faggot.

>You'll just have to forgive me if I don't have much sympathy for a person who was living the high life without a fucking care while the rest of the country was starving.
>He fell for the memes

The Parisian sans-culottes =/= all of France. For you to assume that they were in any way representative of the normal people of the country rather than an extremely violent, vocal, and radical minority filled with ressentiment is the equivalent of thinking that Antifa is a good representative of the views of middle America in the modern day.

shame cuz Marie was a prime royalfu

>attended exclusive parties for nobles
Who hated her and only waited for a good opportunity to get rid of her or at least embarrass her.
>and never had to actually work a day in her life
And yet she was trying to do voluntary work. You are probably not aware but she tried to help commoners. The thing is she had little to no influence and, for a queen, humble funds.
The bitter irony is the commoners she had nothing against were the ones cheering when her head fell off.

Stop fucking generalizing so hard. The only things those wars have in common with each other is they are wars and they had soldiers in them. Conflict is never ever that simple. Why do I need to tell you this three fucking times?

Next you're gonna complain how old movies are racist and sexist, double-faggot.

The funny thing about the sans-culottes is that not even the Jacobin club liked them. Let me repeat: the most radical of the radical republicans in French politics thought that the sans-culottes were retarded.

They were basically the yellow vests of their time: a bunch of retards angry about everything and constantly setting them on fire. Various political groups try and fail to co-opt them and in the end they're disposed of for being retarded.

Old movies and 18th century nobility treating their people like dogshit are not the same thing you absolute fucking mongoloid. Leaders letting their people be miserable has never been okay at any point in history you actual autist.

Wew user, you chimping out convinced me that people are generally good and nice to each other. I will have to remember that, certainly will help the next time my homeland is invaded.

How are the people of france starving while the other two thirds of the estates general living the dream a fucking meme? These are literally historical facts you monarchist cock swallower

Says the guy who thinks getting tortured and guillotine'd isn't a big deal.

No you're right, all soldiers and all wars are the same just like all people are the same. An hero retard.

You are rather slow, aren't you?

Never been okay with your morals? You think they gave a shit? And they still don't. Keep seething.

>w-well you're stupid
Is there any better indication that a person has lost the argument?

Considering that they spent the rest of their lives literally living at the top of society I don't see why I should feel overwhelming sorrow and compassion for them.

>>I'm right and I will tell you why
>I see your point and to certain extention I can agree but please consider my arguments
>>Hurr, you stupid
>Eh, you too mate
>>I- I won! He used ad hominem! That means I won!

Orewa Owladd.

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164 dump, "THE START OF A NEW ARC" for the end credits, Siggy redemption arc?

Please explain to me what the actual point of being completely objective for every aspect of history is. Louis was a shit king who let his people starve and he was punished for it. I'm not speculating on whether it was fine or not for the jacobins to execute louis and his vapid austrian wife, I'm saying he helped create the problem that got his own head lopped off.

Based Owladdposter

I like how you're pretending to be the reasonable one when I've literally told you 4 times to stop generalizing. You're pretending all I did was call you stupid because you've run completely out of argument. Next time just stop replying.

This, early Christians were pretty chill with pagans, with occasional realpolitik being a thing, split within the church really stuck a stick in both of churches ass.

>Louis XVI
He was useless, that's true, but the crux of the problem was started by his grandfather. His father was also quite pathetic but that's not the point. The thing is that Louis XVI was murdered by an angry mob and a bunch of faggots who profited on the change of ruling class. Marie was a sacrifice as well, and many others.
See, you can argue like a sane human being, shame I had to slap you in the wrist first. Now if you started giving a proper case rather than parroting "I fukking told you to stop generalizing" our conversation would be even better. Want to give it a try?

>eastern europe next month

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>Marie was a sacrifice as well
How fucking dumb do you need to be to see louis and marie only as victims? Sure, the problem didn't start with him but he did nothing to improve the problem and in fact he made it worse.
>shame I had to slap you in the wrist first
I'm literally arguing with someone with brain problems or an ESL with a tenuous grasp on english. Either way, you can't seem to comprehend my viewpoint whatsoever and your argumentation skills leave a whole lot to be desired. Eat shit.

Why should your chief's religion be a reason not to fight (which is your only way to make some quick cash)?
Most people aren't autistic enough to fuck themselves over so badly just on some shitty principle like that.

How will the manga end? Thorfinn is in for a bad ending but will Yukimura end the manga with a epilogue script ending or during the Vinland events?

Thorfinn goes back to Iceland and lives happily ever after

>How fucking dumb do you need to be to see louis and marie only as victims?
Then what they were supposed to do? I suppose you are the one who claimed that conflict is something complicated, right? How about revolutions, starvation and such? These problems are easy and simple, right? Just snap your fingers and make everyone happy.
>Either way, you can't seem to comprehend my viewpoint whatsoever
Right back at you. Your points are void and you can't even give a single example to strengthen them.

The skill of individual soldiers didn't have that much impact on Rome's success. It was their overall system, their overriding wartime strategy, their superior supply lines, the formations and other tactics they used, that sort of thing.
If having the best individual warriors was what won you a continental empire, maybe Sparta wouldn't have been such a pathetically overrated shithole.

"Well, I will leave those noble savages alone for now but maybe future generations can live peacefully together with them."

Your black and white idea of history and your constant sperging out doesn't really help your case.

Christianization wasn't a night/day thing, you know. Before people even started to accept christianity at all you needed to have people like Leif around for decades spreading the word. And even after it became more popular, it's often the case that even converts will still keep some traditions and even mention the old gods until the big boss decides to go "Ok, we're getting rid of paganism and I'm going to enforce the shit out of it". It's legit been the case that the christianization process for some communities consisted of making the "plot" of their mythology get to the next season where suddenly Jesus appears and beats all the older gods like some shitty powercrept shonen.

This is the best vikingkino.

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Based

lets hope so

Will we see based Snake again?

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Probably when we learn about his past in Miklagard, but I doubt he's leaving the farm

>but maybe future generations can live peacefully together with them.

Poor Thorfinn, wrong again.

A lot of Norse kings who converted initially did it just for cookie points and sometimes just ended up adding Jesus Christ into their pantheon of worshipped gods. One kings in particular reportedly contributed things like sacrifices to Norse gods despite some protest from the church. Most commoners ended up just vaguely "christianizing" their already established religious practices rather than becoming devout Catholics as idealized by those in papal power.

He will definitely show the events and try to put Thorfinn in a better light. Canute is also going to reach a bad end, in that his attempts to build a better world will fall apart when his heirs prove to be unworthy.

You're the speed reader user. She had a husband before sigurd who died in war.

Couldn't it also have been that Gudrid was still too young?

The frog army did exactly that in the Huguenot massacre though lol
Another example in Constantinople there was a revolt where the army killed tens of thousands of rioters to restore order.
Don't project your own sensibilities onto history

>wikipedia spoils that gudrid wins
Goddamn it

"Maybe the true Vinland is the friends we found along the way"

This is unironically the only way this manga can end in a bit of a high note.

Thorfinn's kindness will reach the feral savages' stone cold hearts and everyone will coexist and live happily ever after.

Einar will marry a native american and have a mixed child and they call it "Hope".

>Einar will marry a native american
And call her Arnheid when climaxing, after which he will cry himself to sleep.

Kirusitans BTFOs

I want to see his interpretation of the antics of Leifs crazy sister.
He can end it after that.

Anyway, I don't think the ending has to be bad for Thorfinn. As I remember, the expedition failed, but Thorfinn didn't die and went back to... Iceland? And a statue of him was built?
The ending could be something philosophical about how "Vinland" as this world without problems was always a pipe dream, but that it doesn't mean you can't strive for the betterment of the world you live in, or something like that.

>They tried to appease the natives by offering milk, but the natives took ill and battles commenced.
The settlement will fail and Thorfinns only real true enemy will finally be revealed: Lactose-intolerance

The one that beat her tits with a sword and scared the indians away?

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This is a meme. The Romans primarily suffered heavy casualties during the Punic Wars. Aside from that they were virtually unchallenged in warfare. They destroyed Epirus and the other Greek kingdoms with mild difficulty, they conquered Gaul and the other barbarian tribes with zero resources, they trounced the Seleucid (what was back then the Persian Empire) in one battle. They basically made the Parthian Empire into a puppet state which later disintegrated as a consequence and became the Sassanid Empire.

And even in the Punic Wars, most people seem to forget that Scipio beat the shit out of Hannibal's brothers and his forces in Spain, then they attacked the capital which forced Hannibal back. It wasn't a single-sided warfare in which the Carthaginians won until they lost. Aside from 3 spectacular victories Hannibal didn't have much success afterwards in the Italian peninsula while Carthage was losing greatly on the other fronts.

Delete this.

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Someone add Owladd into the spic ranking.

They went as far as putting idols of pagan gods in churches to try to bring in pagans.

Exactly, Freydis.
She also executed a bunch of women and children because even her own men didn't have the heart to.
I'm sure Yuki can have some fun portraying a character like that.

Yeah, the author doesn't really understand or get Christianity. Thorfinn unironically should have become a Christian as a repudiation of Norse religion and it's direct emphasis on war. Let's not even talk about that shit with Canute wanting to make his own Kingdom of Heaven on Earth.

Is Thorfinn actually based on a real person? I know Leif is but besides him I thought the setting was the only non fiction part of the series.

Yeah, he's based on someone who actually did found a colony in Vinland/America. It's how everyone already knows what the endgame for the manga is.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorfinn_Karlsefni

This is actually the most likely thing that happened, she had blood to prove her virginity this way.

Icelandic girls are crazy man, like when Gunther marries Brynhild and she was into BDSM dom shit and would have left him cucked if his bro Siegfried didn't help him rape her.

What did he say?

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The fuck was schizo.

"I'm sorry but my heart belongs to Thorkell."

He said "Pizza is not a vegetable".
And thus, his future expedition to Vinland was doomed.

>Even Einar was real and was the one that build the statue of Thorfinn

So you're telling me that it's not bullshit to see a tall as fuck guy running around swinging two axes (or a big log) with no helmet on and absolutely destroying people, even cutting people in half with helmet and all?
And before you say that's just Thorkell, Askeladd also cut a guy in half and never got an arrow through his head despite never wearing a helmet.

at first i felt kinda the same but it's important to remember this really is a manga saga i.e. loosely historical with plenty of superhuman embellishment, the old viking sagas themselves were a lot like this with characters loosely based on real people from their past but having the heroes do crazy shit including decapitating an enemy just with the rim of a shield (which were rawhide and wood which while sturdy enough definitely would not at all actually be useable for that)

Stop for a second and actually check the link to that particular Einar.

Yeah he is completely different person but I think he used this guys name for the series's Einar.

It felt so forced when the crowd suddenly started calling him Karsefni.

guy on the left wears duckbill shoes lol

This version is even more heartwrenching

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This one speaks to me alot more.

>play CK2
>hang christian missionaries
>raid France
>capture frank loli
>parents refuse to pay ransom
>keep her for recreational activities later
>torture time desu

When random game has better story than 99% of viking medium

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Cringe

"Sure I like you, Gudrid, you're a very good friend, kind of like a sister"

I can imagine him saying that...

"I also like Einar and old man Leif and our dog"

Lmao his son's name was Snorri

"We are practically a family."

Truth be told, he never seemed to have any sexual interest in her or anything. I guess any reasonable person would accept her just because "why not? she's pretty cute", but I guess author is going to interrupt them or something, or have initially turn her down just so he can develop his feelings or something.

>Marie Antoinette was married at age 14, and it wasn't until she was 21 that she actually had sex with her husband for the first time.
Wasn't that just because her husband was incredibly awkward?

So far they don't have any chemistry. But it's hard to imagine Thorfinn with anyone.

Thorfinn became too much like your typical idealistic MC that is completely oblivious to love. I can't even imagine him fapping (n-not that I'd like to imagine that or anything).

When's this manga ending?