One Piece

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I'll give you a tiny bone alright.

JOIN MY CREW!

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>Then give Hiyori HIS sword

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We're onto you, woman. We know you'll do anything to continue the Kozuki bloodline.

They're so wholesome.

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If you think Zoro is giving Kaido the final blow you’re a fucking idiot and one of the reasons the OP community is frowned upon. The Zoro wank is wild. I said what I said fuck y’all

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Alright, seeing how a shitload of you seem to think Zoro will kill Kaido who will defeat king?

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I love Oda, but I DESPISE how he's given these Zoro fanboys even more reason to suck him off without thinking.

if only there was someone else that can fly and set themselves on fire

I'd say it's definitely not Oda's fault, that's just how he wanted the story to go. It's those fans that are over-reacting just because of last chapter's reveal.

>marco
He will get killed by Weevil to hype him.

"Don't speak ill of Zoro." Niconico Live Broadcast (28 December 2011) Oda

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Jinbe is really most likely option for him, I think. He didn't have any lengthy (on-screen) one on one so far, and commander is really the enemy that makes most sense for him, seeing how he's been doing in WCI. Jack and Queen already have more people with grudges on them. And with all the focus Zoro is getting in this arc, it'd be out of place if he fought someone without it being even slightly personal, his enemies should be Kyoushiro, Orochi and Kaido (this one will be a team up though),

Speaking ill of Zoro and just being realistic isn't the same.

People get offended when I say that Zoro (currently) is not on Luffy's level

Lately people talked shit about zoro lmao can wait for zoro greatness when oda gonna show it.those sanji fans that talked shit about zoro they gonna cry like little girls

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y-yeah... m-marco...

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Are there any bad writing/mistakes made by Oda that you don't like. By the way, this is not a post to insult Oda's writing skills, he is my favorite mangaka and an amazing storyteller. That being said, there were some moment in the history that didn't make sense taking into account the characters. For example:

1. Luffy and Zoro fight on Whisky Peak: i was surprise to see that this was cannon. The fact that Luffy tried to hurt or kill Zoro just because a guy (even if he gave him food) told him is dumb. At that point, we had Zoro making a bow to not lose against after Mihack fight.

2. Doflamingo using the strings on Jozu: I know some people have doing comparisons with the higher level or BM pirates and WB pirates, but we can agree that the division commander have to be strong, even if they are not stronger that the 3 sweet commander (not all of them at least). The fact that Jozu, which is among the strongest commanders, was controlled by Doffy's parasite was weird, and more that he couldn't get out, while Doffy couldn't trap Luffy or Law.

3. Zoro telling Luffy to forget about Sanji in Zou: Even if what Zoro said about Kaido situation was true, he acted extremely weird about the Sanji situation, and went as far as telling Luffy to don't mind him and don't trying to save him. Sanji is not only among the eldest and (arguably) smartest SH, but Zoro even saw him trying to sacrifice his life on Thriller Park, yet he's thinks he would wanted to go to BM territory if it wasn't his only choice? I didn't like it at all.

I doubt Luffy's fighting any more commanders, he's gonna be above this level now.

Crocodile, Ace, and Lucci being the victims of appearing early before Oda established the concept of haki so they look really weak when they weren't.

OJrefugee-kun, I think there are more suitable places for you than this one.

Wow, I honestly forgot sanji's abilities. I could see it as I don't think he's really been set up agaisnt anyone but the Flying 6 who probably will be taken out soon.

Flying 6 members he fought were sent by Queen. So Queen might want to personally go after him given their failure (which he may or may not take personally). Plus, they could bond over their inceldom and jealousy for Zoro (after it becomes known he travels Wano with Komurasaki). Also, after his suit gets upgraded by Franky, he could be ready to face Queen's tech.

Not necessarily bad writing but I don't like some powers which I think are far too strong :

-The Birdcage things, if someone stronger than Pica, Vergo or Diamante can't break it; it's really too cheat

-(Sugar's power) which can take down nearly everybody

-The Light Power, someone who can react Light speed is just too strong

I really didn't like neither the elements based power (Admirals), I find it too "Pokemon-like". (Magma Fists are kind of okay imo).

I find it's a pity that the water weakness isn't more exploited. Strategy isn't big enough in One Piece (except in one of the movie).

Finally, I really really hope that Luffy won't become too strong. I would prefere a strategy/influence story rather than a "I hit harder" one.

>pic
So do I Sanji, so do I.

and this is why zoro's title needs to be changed when he gets his new bounty

>1
People don't think coherently when awakened all of a sudden, so it coupled with Luffy's denseness seemed believable to me.

>2
Doffy's string powers are super inconsistent even in dressrosa alone, so I agree.

>3
You sort of counter your own point. If Zoro knows Sanji is smart, then he'd believe Sanji went with the best option available to him. Honestly, I'd say the bad writing is the whole BM territory infiltration not ending up in complete disaster.

unless marco comes to wano he'll fight king or x drake

>X Drake
>endgame fight
He's getting taken out in Act 3.

i highly doubt oda will let him fight both of them and not job to either

The only character who stands any chance against King is Kinemon.

the strongest scabbard cant even kill jack

Kinemon and friends seems like they'll deal with Orochi, Ninjas, and headliners

He was only the strongest thug; Kinemon is the the strongest Red Scabbard, and Kozuki Oden’s right-hand man.
Kinemon has repeatedly hidden his power level himself or been sidelined by plot devices because Wano is his time to shine.

Yeah, there's no doubt Kinemon would've been the strongest Scabbard if he wasn't down 20 years to get stronger
Even Neko/Inu are stronger even though they're missing limbs

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Is the only attractive female in the Straw Hat crew

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Reminder that Zoro showed the ability to light things on fire all the way back with Ryuma's fight, and didn't even register it as a powerup worth working towards unlike breath if all things.
Kinemon on the other hand has dedicated his entire life to mastering fire sword style, which Zoro subconsciously had mastered already.

Proud father

Zoro defeated Mr 5 with a flaming Onigiri.

They are joking though, ruining your argument.
Ashura couldn’t even learn to add fire to his attack and burn Jack. Kinemon can cut hard things just like Ashura though.

Zoro disagrees with you and literally followed the samurai after seeing the fire stuff, and commented on it every time he saw Kinemon use it.
Zoro’s first fire use was on the bounty hunter island, not Ryuuma.

Kinemon didn’t teach Zoro how to tear fire yet. Kinemon has barely done more than the most basic of slashes in seven years. His stuff is being hidden like when Kenshin progressed to Shishio.

They aren't. Both Ashura and Inu had 20 years to get stronger.

>Ashura couldn’t even learn to add fire to his attack and burn Jack.
He doesn't need to, just like Zoro whenever he cuts something. See

Read Kinemonfag, he's not talking about cutting fire.

Kinemon is like 40 dude and by your logic Zoro can’t get stronger than those characters. Read the scene, they are making light of being older now, the opposite of what you think.

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I made sure it was brought up.

Zero has never shown the ability to create a flaming inferno or to consciously burn his enemies with his cut, let alone tear fire apart with his sword like Kinemon has.
Oda was an assistant on Kenshin and he gave Kinemon the main antagonist of that story’s sword style, but made it stronger too. Adding elemental damage to your attack is generally a powerup, it allows you to strike a ghost in dungeons and dragons.

*Zoro

They nor Neko have commented on them getting weaker because of age, in that very page Ashura says he's had 20 years to get stronger and Inu agrees with him. Kinemon is the only one calling them geezers and implying they're older and weak.

>by your logic Zoro can’t get stronger than those characters
How so? Zoro being close to their level even with his experience and age undoubtedly means he will grow stronger than them. Kinemon on the other hand was roughly on their level 20 years ago and had next to 0 time to train due to having to gather allies. Are you saying Inu, Neko, and Ashura couldn't get stronger than him in 20 years?

Why is there no Carrot doujins?

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Ya dude it’s called old people joking around, very common.
Kinemon is the prime samurai, Kozuki Oden’s right-hand magic who possesses sword skill even Ashura doesn’t have, entrusted as the combatant guardian of the heir to the Kozuki clan.
He’s a combatant leader as well, not the karate kids sensei.
It’s foolish to think he’s weaker than his subordinates as a samurai leader in his prime.

post things that went nowhere

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He also hasn't shown the need to improve on his elemental attacks at all, not even commenting on them.
He did however find Kinemon's fire cutting insteresting, because it actually is a skill worth pursuing. Zoro is not interested in acquiring an elemental advantage, just pure swordsmanship, rely on no gimmicks. This is definitely Oda's answer to Kenshin and him overposing his writing on the work he used to be an assistant for.

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Theres barely any One Piece doujins. The series has been running for so long the Japanese have moved on to other pornography topics.

Zoro has been relying on a magical sword for many years. He relied on his magical spirit to defeat Kaku as well. He already adds a wind element to his attacks like Ruroni Kenshin did.
Kinemon’s fire is “pure swordsmanship,” which is what makes it incredible. Brook uses his DF for the ice. This is a high fantasy story not a kendo dojo journal.
You keep undercutting the significance of the fire swordsman.
Kinemon is like Sephiroth or Shishio, as other Japanese examples.

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Still the best one imo

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last batch of doujins were back in 2014 with rebecca

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Yet to be topped.

>the need to improve
Zoro is training all the time he just has no fucking clue how he set Ryuuma on fire.
RYUMA was noticeably impressed by it, whether Zoro’s dumbass was or not.

lmao magic spirit. I can't wait for Oda to declare it to be another application of Armament Haki - projection of willpower and just go full Susanoo on us.

No, you can't just conflate Zoro's demonic nature with Kinemon's elemental attacks. An air slash is not an "air element". Sorry but you're willingly misunderstanding key differences and distorting the facts, just hand waving your way through overly reductive arguments. Really sad, you did have a point but that's gone now.

I love Denki Shogun's art. This is a personal fav.
Also dig Naruhodo's style.

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>Ya dude it’s called old people joking around, very common.
Ashura was just fighting Inu and beating up Kinemon for framing him prior. He's not joking, the only joke on the panel was Kinemon in comparison to him and Inu, which he implied. It's the reason Kinemon was upset enough to lash out and call them geezers.

>It’s foolish to think he’s weaker than his subordinates as a samurai leader in his prime.
Roger was in his 50's when he died, Katakuri is around the same age, and Garp was the same age as Kinemon when he dealt with Rox. A person's "Prime" in One Piece is different for everyone. Even then, even if Kinemon or the others were at their prime, it's foolish to say there was no way Inu, Neko, nor Ashura was never going to eventually be stronger than Kinemon .

Is he a fox, or is he a human?

>an air slash is not air elemental.
>Zoro’s magical spirit that Kaku identifies twice as the source of the illusion, out loud, on panel, wasn’t Zoro’s magical spirit.
Kek

Ok so you know that movie of the incredible, but they are 20 years later after their legends?
Inu and friends are the old guy versions in that movie, kinemon is prime though.

>I don't understand it, so I'll just call everything magical that means it's all the same
Sad, Oda clearly draws differences between the sources of power in One Piece. This isn't complex at all and you can't even seem to grasp the concept of there being more than one power dynamic.

Ashura totally gave up halfway through that twenty years.

He will and you will like it, cuck.

>Ok so you know that movie of the incredible
This is One Piece. We're going off of One Piece logic and real world traits it's inspired off of.

Lionfox or komakitsune in which Catarina Devon's DF is derived from. We don't know if it's DF-based or a natural ability. Most animals in Wano are recognized by their flame like fur.

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>I don’t have any argument, so I’ll keep repeating the name of an emotion and criticize others for not phrasing and inventing my argument for me.
Wow user, I’m convinced that Kanu lied now!

Zoro's been projecting illusions of his attacks for years dude. It's the same with Asura, it's an extreme version of his illusions brought about by his own bloodlust and fighting spirit. It's like how Sanji is able to set himself on fire by just being overly emotional

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Ya in it Whitebeard tells us everyone gets old. Rayleigh too when hes fighting Kizaru, speedy.

Kaido did this to Luffy. Any you Zorotards are hyping him up to defeat him all because of a sword. Whose mans?

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Right, Kinemon’s fire is likely similar in nature, and in no way “less pure swordsmanship.”
Zoro followed Kinemon.

When you fully give up on arguing and concede, the least you can do is stop replying. I will though seeing as you have nothing to add to the conversation though, maybe one day you'll understand the power dynamics of One Piece beyond "everything is magic", hopefully.

>Whitebeard, Rayleigh
They're in their 70's, 20 years older than the examples I gave. Keep up, please.

Oda is heavily inspired by western movies.

Kys narufag

>Ashura totally gave up halfway through that twenty years.
He has an angry drunk dragon and his super strong minions constantly trying to recruit him while posing as a mountain bandit. He would be conscripted, imprisoned like Kawamatsu, or dead if he gave up.

Zoro Will end Kaido...Luffy will End Big mom
Mark my words, screencap this

Two Yonkos in strawhat pirates

Who thinks the fox fire style isn't pure swordsmanship? Are they dumb? Did they hurt their head?

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Oda is heavily inspired by many things. He doesn't necessarily go off of their logic though, obviously. The logic he's going off of is One Piece and we can confidently reach conclusions going off of it.

Inaurashi wields a crutch and misses a leg.
It’s true that Kinemon can fight without any legs and without a head though.
Kinemon trainer until he was 36, they are 40 now, ruining your argument.
Ashura literally gave up ten years ago, you keep ignoring this.

Or he just drinks beer, lashes out, and refuses to join as he was shown doing.
He was a broken man because of his allies being slaughtered, we saw all this.

for fucks sake brook did eletric atacks before too do you niggs think he is some kinda of pikachu
fuck off you dumbasses

These are the facts:
Kinemon showed his back to Law, and allowed him to strike from behind, a swordsman's shame.
Kinemon got his ass beat by Ashura. Remember when Inu also battled Ashura? This was an obvious callback to this battle with Kinemon in the fight instead, which he lost.
Ashura has pointed out that everyone has grown stronger with time beyond Kinemon. He literally said this.

How does Oda have the time to do all this when he's so busy as is?

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Right, and so from that we can deduce that he secretly had the leader of the legendary want samurais meet luffy a decade ago, and now we are on his home island for him to shine.
Only Kinemon has brought anything new to swordsmanship to the table.

More than half of these are straight reaching.

Is this official? because I feel like Hina, Nami and Barto is kinda reaching

>The year of our lord (Imu-sama) 2019
>People still trying to apply logic to One Piece

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Is Baby 5 a gun logia?

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Yes, user, anyone who thinks Zoro will behead Kaido is a Zorofag. Good to know that they live rent-free in your mind.
The fight may weaken Kaido enough to allow Zoro to behead him. Or some other way Oda may see fit.

Ashura showed his back to Kaido, literally running away from him. Zoro ran from the mini slimes and also showed his back to Nami running from her.
These are facts.
Inaurashi is 40 and fat.
Kinemon is 36 and fit.
Zoro has been literally wounded in the back. Kinemon has not.

Kinemon stood there and took a beating, rather than was in a duel with Ashura.

They're too coincidental not to be.

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Fact:
Doflamingo attacked Kinemon with a sneak attack from behind.

Kinemons back wasn’t wounded.
Read slow.

gan fall is don quixote? no waaaaaaaaaay

>When he's reacting to crazy stuff he's kino
>When he's a powerlevel fightfag making stupid ass theories he's un-kino

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>Inaurashi wields a crutch and misses a leg.
Yes, i've said earlier Inu and Neko are stronger despite losing limbs. Again, try to keep up.
>It’s true that Kinemon can fight without any legs and without a head though.
Fighting against Brook as a torso isn't on the level of fighting against Jack. Kinemon while completely whole was blitzed by Law, after all.

>Kinemon trainer until he was 36, they are 40 now, ruining your argument.
Speak english. Are you saying he trained until he was 36, and is now 40? If you are, Inu + Neko + Ashura has trained longer.

>Ashura literally gave up ten years ago, you keep ignoring this.
See >He was a broken man because of his allies being slaughtered, we saw all this.
That doesn't keep him from getting stronger. He knew he could fuck Jack up but had to make a choice between fighting Kaido or running. It's obvious he was still trying to survive, knew how, and had the means to do so.

>Right, and so from that we can deduce that he secretly had the leader of the legendary want samurais meet luffy a decade ago, and now we are on his home island for him to shine.
The payoff for that was the Zou reveal. You can properly assess his powerlevel and place by reading, your hopes of Kinemon shining the way you want him too aren't facts.
>Only Kinemon has brought anything new to swordsmanship to the table.
Adding and cutting fire with your attacks doesn't mean you are guarenteed the spot for the strongest swordsman, especially when people on the same level as you had and said they've gotten stronger in the 20 years you've been gone.

Holy shit Enel is Eminem.
I see it now.

You greatly misunderstand the point of what being wounded on the back means. If you're caught by surprise or do not wish to join crews with a drunkard, these are not shameful acts. Jesus, the fact that you have to take Zoro's words literally just show how much of a dumbass you truly are.

>Oda has varied character designs
Okay. Not even a point.

Also good job on ignoring the last point about Ashura saying they were already stronger. Cope harder.

reminder that kinemon got fodderized by law across the entirety of punk hazard yet law is a massive jobber

Some of the ones on this list are straight stupid. Goddamn, like not everything has to be a reference.

You can say any absurd thing but it still won’t turn out true.
>Fighting Brook as a torso isn’t as hard as landing a slash on Jack and then getting bested.
It’s more impressive actually.

Kinemon was 36 years old when he was sent to the future.
Inaraushi is 40 now.
Oden has been dead and unable to teach them like he taught Kinemon, his right hand man.
>being broken doesn’t keep him from getting stronger.
It does it’s why Luffy stood any chance vs Crocodile and Moria when he fought them.
>Zou reveal was Kinemon’s shining moment.
Nah dude that’s pretty retarded to believe. We still haven’t even learned who his real son is.

>all those people still can’t cut fire still because sensei Oden is dead.
Holy shit you are taking the “invent your own sword style” meme to the max.

So what will be the joke ? What is the fucking story in laugh tale? The Rio Poneglyph?

Wait a second

Rio Poneglyph.... “Rio” is laugh in Spanish

Oh my fucking god no

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this, outspeeding law is what beats him but he ended up just getting washed

Consciously or not, everything takes inspiration from everything. Just like an interpretation, it goes beyond what the author could say. There probably are some that are accidental, but many are so close that it would be weird if it wasn't on purpose, and they often make sense for the characters in question.

user you keep quoting a joke and asking it to be taken seriously, both with Ashura “beating up” Kinemon and the joke about being old.
If you need to mischaracterize to argue you already lost.
Kinemon is the strongest samurai and he’s hiding his good techniques.

Goddamn dude you're reading your own manga at this point lmao. How about you argue with things that have happened instead of things that happened in your head.

Post characters who defeated Law.

>no argument
Zoro would die vs Brook with no head and no legs. He was less gimped vs Killer.

some numbers about Kinemon
He has been with the strawhats for no less than two hundred and ninety seven chapters
or
two thousand seven hundred and fifty three days in real life time
or
about 31% of the entirety of the manga

If instead of Zoro Luffy had encountered and recruited Kinemon at chapter three, it would mean Kinemon travelling with luffy to the end of the Skypiea arc

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>It’s more impressive actually.
Not at all. Brook was getting outspeeded by his own shadow on TB but Pre-TS Zoro kept up easily.

>Oden has been dead and unable to teach them like he taught Kinemon, his right hand man.
This is your headcanon, stop trying to sneak it in as a fact.
>It does it’s why Luffy stood any chance vs Crocodile and Moria when he fought them.
They weren't actively trying to get stronger or had a need to survive or die/get imprisoned/conscripted.
>Nah dude that’s pretty retarded to believe. We still haven’t even learned who his real son is.
This is what you're wishing for, not a fact.

Which parts of that post are wrong? I’m reading my own manga because you didn’t know Kinemon’s age and assumed he was 20 years younger than he was?

Oda has already pointed out that Wano is supposed to have a comedic atmosphere to it. This should be the first thing that crosses your mind when you see people laughing their asses off when someone dies for god's sake, Zoro's entire jourmey this island plays off on his 'lost wandering samurai" gag, important plot points are hidden behind comedy.
Holy shit man, how do you miss the point of the arc so fucking badly is beyond me.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH BEPO TASUKETTE

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>Zoro would die vs Brook with no head and no legs
Wrong, Zoro beat the shadow + corpse of Brook that was way stronger than him.

Yeah sure, some are really damn close to the point of obviousness, others are just trying to pick two images that are extremely close to one another to give the illusion of relatability when in context, that link is gone.

Oden’s death and Kinemon’s position under him are not headcanon.
>they weren’t trying to get stronger.
They very much were.
>what you are wishing for
Kinemon is strong theory predates my support for it. It predates the reader knowing he was the leader samurai, predates the reader knowing much about Oden, etc, those all just added to how obvious it is.

We already saw how Kinemon reacted to drinking poisonous water and animals, fully umable to fight and barely move.
Zoro showed much more body strength in that regard, an obvious comparison by Oda that went over your head.

Wrong, Zombie Ryuuma couldn’t use ice attacks or use CoO.
Zoro can’t defend himself with his head attached.

Not him but could Brook use ice swordsmanship pre-TS?

>They very much were.
They weren't. Like you said, they've given up and retired to safe places where they didn't need to train or exert themselves.

>Oden’s death and Kinemon’s position under him are not headcanon.
Kinemon being his right hand man that he hands down his techniques too is your headcanon.

>Kinemon is strong theory
Like i've said and has been spelled out for you in the manga, Kinemon was strong for his time. That doesn't mean he's stronger than Ashura/Inu/Neko currently.

When Zoro pushed on the birdcage nothing happened.
When Kinemon pushed on the birdcage it slowed.

Kinemon has fasted longer than Zoro under Axe Hand Morgan, endured poisonous cold water and extreme heat for extended periods, on Punk Hazard.
Also you won’t get me with this crap because I like Zoro and think he is the sword king anyway.
Kinemon is the strongest samurai, the others will assist him, but he’s the only one with Oden’s secret techniques.
Literally the only samurai to bring something new to swordsmanship to the table, and then five years later we learned he’s the leader.

>for his time
You mean like Oden cutting Kaido and giving him his only scar, he was strong for that time? Sure doesn’t imply he’s weak now.

No, but he could vs Kinemon’s torso, making him currently stronger than the zombie Zoro defeated.

I feel like I'm talking to someone who read a different manga than me. Why do you have to make up things to "win"? Does winning the argument really mean more to you than factual honesty?
If so, that's real fucking sad man, even I have been fucking wrong a lot of times arguing in these threads, eveeyone is. You really need to get a grip on your life.

Crocodile is weak.
Ace was destroyed by another logia. Cuz Lava smolders fire in real life.
Lucci was on even terms with Luffy

Crocidile subverted a nation after building a criminal empire and funding the glyph reader, his goal was to find PLUTON and defeat the WG (stated).
Moria built a zombie army so in his next attempt, his crew couldn’t die. He seemed out a powerful shadow to put in Oz (and found Luffy’s).

>You mean like Oden cutting Kaido and giving him his only scar, he was strong for that time? Sure doesn’t imply he’s weak now.
Oden sailed with the Pirate King. I'm not arguing his strength since it has no impact on Kinemon's strength, like i've said.

>Kinemon being the person who protects literally his son means he’s the weakest samurai, and surely Kinemon being the only samurai with new swordsmanship means nothing too.
You are low IQ.

So, Zoro was stronger then against an enemy much more stronger than Brook, while gimped on power himself.
What does that say about his portrayal and how stronger he must be now after training with Mihawk while Brook only ran a music tour?

>Crocidile subverted a nation after building a criminal empire and funding the glyph reader, his goal was to find PLUTON and defeat the WG (stated).
That doesn't necessarily means Crocodile is training or getting stronger himself. He was in Paradise, after all.

>Moria built a zombie army so in his next attempt
That doesn't necessarily means Moria is training or getting stronger himself. He was in Paradise, after all.

You are moving goalposts. Previously you said Kinemon was only strong for “his time,” and now you claim Odens strength has no bearing.

How long it has been since departing from fishman island to last chapter in one piece world time? about 6 months?

Don't worry bro. If Zoro defeats Kaido with Enma, then it was Enma that defeated Kaido not Zoro.

I didn't move goalposts, you seem to think Oden's strength impacts how strong Kinemon is.

4 days, one for each arc.

We saw Brook steak a glyph from a Yonko and Zoro get toyed with and wounded by side characters.
At least it literally took Doffy and Law for Kinemon to get hit.

>Oden was from Kinemon’s time.
By your admission, Kinemon was strong for “his time.”
Try again.

I guess Brook is a good spy yeah.
Not a good swordsman, but a good spy, well pointed out!

nah fuck off, there is off screen sailing
punk hazard was about 3 days
dressrosa was 4 days
zou was some days
whole cake was at least a week

You mean thief?

>Kinemon being the person who protects literally his son means he’s the weakest samurai
Like i've said many, many times, he was the strongest scabbard at the time. Kiku, Raizo etc. are still weaker due to being sent 20 years in the future also. His wife sent Kinemon and the others forward in time, it was the only way to save her son and the others. He still failed at his job obviously and needed help from the SHs.

Goddamn, Kinemonsperg took some massive Ls today. The way he backtracks and changes his arguments, straight up loss.

We saw Kinemon get wounded by Shichibukai with god fruits and we saw Zoro get wounded by a guy who was mindfucked and using a non standard weapon, and you are saying Zoro can fight headless well enough to keep up with Brook?

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I can prove that Kinemon can fight post skip straw hats with no legs and no head.
You can’t even prove that Zoro could do it blindfolded.

Yeah, i've figured it out. He drops points that he's lost in immediately and projects hard by accusing you of goalposting when he's goalposting with his headcanon's himself. It's really simple when you get into an extended argument with him.

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Imagine having to use your sword arms as your legs against a straw hat swordsman.
Kinemon can.

his logic really comes down to
>gaimon CAN defeat kaido, did kaido ever defeat gaimon? no? then kaido can lose to him
its really sad

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He literally makes no sense, he calls all the points he makes "fair", if you point any fallacy he just repeats them until you give up then declares himself the winner.
He keeps losing every thread and everytime he shows up again, pretty hilarious if you ask me.

Yup, I usually just ignore him when he shows up but i'm glad I proved my point about how he argues and the methods he uses.

It’s funny to watch the circle jerk but so far Kinemonfag is the only one with a valid argument, which is that Kinemon has feats that neither the other Scabbards or Zoro do, and that he’a proven he can fight at incredible handicap, similar to Zoro.
It is hard to believe Zoro could fight well if he was even just blinded.

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Can you cite any examples or is this just how you run from an argument?

I didn't understand the whole schizo meme until today.
This literally is schizophrenia, you cannot call it anything else.

>so far i think i'm* the only one with a valid argument
ftfy

Yeah just read all the replies you got man.

I'm confused. What's happening here?

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This is known as ad hominem, where instead of any point being made to refute an argument, the arguer is attacked.
So far literally every point made against Kinemon being strong was addressed in this thread. Anons might not agree with the answer given, like that the old scabbards were joking, or that Kinemon wasn’t fighting back against Ashura, but those answers certainly were given.

I agree with you, Zoro won't defeat Kaido because of some hype sword, he's going to kill Kaido because he's strong and skilled enough to deliver the finishing blow.
Cope mongoloid.

Is this your first One Piece thread friend?
Welcome pal, get used to it.

Read the thread.
>is this just how you run from an argument?
You still haven't replied to . Your next move is doing the equivalent of "b-but [post here]" or simply giving a response to it in your next reply. It's really sad.

So that’s a big “No.” then.

holy BTFO WHAT THE FUCK

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Which arguments got changed? Which points got ignored? It’s strange you can only say they were in a general instead of specific sense, implying your position lacks substance and is relying on personal attack.

Kek, the entire thread agrees and sees that you cannot argue for shit and keep ignoring points, everything you said has already been dismantled.
Cope more.

Trannjitards are seething because they love their "Zolo is to slow, Zolo gets blitzed" delusions they love to spam, that won't work with on panel ownage of a yonkou.
Unless fucking Trannji can now blitz younkos, you'll never know how far their headcanon goes!

Kinemonfag will never directly address your point, he is literally unable to. When you bring something up that happened, or a specific panel in the manga, he will either ignore or bring up something irrelevant.
You cannot argue beucase he is not arguing with you in the first place, he might as well be a bot who doesn't read your replies.

And then when all is said and done, and it is clear as day to the entire thread that he cannot argue, he asks you to contextualize the entire discussion and break it down for him. STOP RESPONDING RETARDS.

Why do the Japs hate Kinemon? Why is he so unpopular?

That was a rehash of something already answered though:
I told you that Ashura gave up ten years ago, and that the cat and dog got physically taken out of their prime by injuries. There is no objectivity to either side here though; except that Kinemon can cut and generate fire with samurai sword techniques, and his subordinate samurai still appear unable to,
When you say insurashi is “stronger” now without a leg, in what way do you mean?
You build up straw men and get mad when eventually I want to ignore them.

Kinemons feats at Punk Hazard showed he was strong years before we knew he was the leader of a legendary samurai group. You keep avoiding this or calling Brook weak, which to me seems like confirmation bias on your part.
Kinemon has only jobbed to Shichibukai, and he was chosen as Momonosuke’s guardian.
When Ashura or any other samurai shows an understanding of the sword to the point they can cut fire, I might start to agree. Until then only Kinemon has shown exceptional skill. Cutting Jack isn’t that impressive unless it KOs him.

>about 200 chapters more than Vivi
gee i wonder

Can you quote examples or is this made up?

Hot

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When the fuck is the Act 2 Intermission coming.
I'm tired of fucking Wano already give me something else.

Have you considered trying another manga?

>I told you that Ashura gave up ten years ago
I told you that didn't prevent him from getting stronger, like he said. Even if you choose to believe that he didn't since he "gave up", he's still had 10 years to get stronger.
>that the cat and dog got physically taken out of their prime by injuries / When you say insurashi is “stronger” now without a leg, in what way do you mean?
Neko is stronger without an arm, and Inu is still stronger even without a leg, Inu agreed with Ashura after all.
>eventually I want to ignore them.
That means you're running from the argument, as always.
>Kinemons feats at Punk Hazard
I've debunked every "feat" you've brought up. By the way, since you've brought it up in a post that was replied to me, withstanding extremely heat and cold doesn't bring him up to Ashura/Inu/Neko level, sorry.
>You keep avoiding this or calling Brook weak
I have not been avoiding this, you're interpreting that going even with Brook means he's on the level of Ashura/Inu/Neko. You've even tried to say Brook's torso could beat Zoro, which i've debunked earlier.
>When Ashura or any other samurai shows an understanding of the sword to the point they can cut fire
Like we've addressed earlier, adding fire/cutting fire with your attacks doesn't mean you're necessarily stronger than Ashura/Inu/Neko.

Kinemon was the only samurai who has added something new to swordsmanship, this was before we knew he was the leader and strongest of the scabbards. Even Zoro was impressed and became his disciple, Ashura was just joking when he said he was stronger.

There is a theory that Kinemon is very strong (the strongest Red Scabbard) based on his feats in the manga, but bringing it up summons retards.

>Kinemon was the only samurai who has added something new to swordsmanship
Adding fire/cutting fire with your attacks doesn't mean you're necessarily stronger than Ashura/Inu/Neko.
>Zoro became his disciple
Headcanon, he did not.
>Ashura was just joking when he said he was stronger
Ashura was just fighting Inu and beating up Kinemon for framing him prior. He's not joking, the only joke on the panel was Kinemon in comparison to him and Inu, which he implied. It's the reason Kinemon was upset enough to lash out and call them geezers.

See He (You) ignores several points and arguments in response to his own.

is that the one where they drink cum from cups

That is the secret of youth.

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>He ignored several points and arguments
Care showing where he ignores points?
Care showing where he doesn't address arguments?
You are just relying on strawmans and ad hominem because you cannot properly answer back.

You're ignore points and arguments right now actually. Again, see and his response here

I just checked and Ashura Douji is 56. He gave up 10 years ago.
Kinemon is 46.
>three old men agreed with each other.
From my read they are joking about being stronger than Kinemon, and Kinemon also jokes with a rebuke of just don’t slow him down or something similar. To me it’s an unconvincing proof that each of them are stronger then Kinemon. This lighthearted scene seems meant to show the samurai got their spirit back, rather than a serious strength comparison.
For me and also Zoro, Kinemon being able to weld and cut fire represents an understanding of the sword beyond what the other samurai have shown. I don’t think Zoro would declare to follow the samurai if the scene was Shutenmaru cutting Jack.
>running
I need to make pastas for your rehashes then.
You haven’t debunked a single feat of strength for Kinemon, here is an easy list:
1. Only jobbed to Shichibukai
2. Oda purposely didn’t tell us he was the leader of a legendary samurai group for a long-ass time.
3. The samurai who made Zoro interested. He made a huge explosion do no harm to his friends. Oda didn’t tell us he was the leader samurai though or even “legendary.”
4. Kinemon saved Brook from the strongest dragon on the island. Zoro’s only falsely looked stronger and cooler to defeat.
5. Kinemon has good CoO since he fought extremely proficiently, while starved and after extreme exposure to the elements, as a torso, with no sight, hearing, and having to use his sword arms also as his legs against a straw hat pirate.
>adding fire to your attack doesn’t make you stronger than Ashura.
Being able to save your friend from more types of attacks does though.
Swordsmanship is about “protection,” in one piece, according to Koshiro’s lesson.
Since Kinemon can also cut haki, steel, etc, but no one else can cut fire in a meaningful way, he is the strongest of them with a fundamental understanding of the sword they do not have.

>height: 191 cm

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IMAGINE

>height: 198 cm

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Do you love mommy?

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Zoro better have a bounty of over 1 billion by the time Wano ends or we riot.

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God, I wish she was my mom.

redpill me on Kuzan

I guess Act 2 is gonna last a bit longer than normal since Act 5 is gonna be really short and just tie up any loose ends.

me too

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He actually won his fight but Akainu backstabbed him and took his leg when he approached him to save his life.

Way off.

Hnnnnng m-mommy...

There was a surge of them when Hancock was introduced and early time skip.
I'm glad that piss tinged cum has died out for the most part and they actually started to color it correctly. For a while I wondered if Japanese diets made it yellow because of how common it was in Hentai and Doujin's. Now I think that most of the artists were female and were inexperienced.

Why are you on the fence about the best admiral?
youtube.com/watch?v=59ngH1vdTx4

Think you're misinterpreting what Wano is for the One Piece story as a whole. Act 1 short length, act 2 medium length, act 3 long length, act 4 long length, act 5 short length.

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Wano villains:
>Kaido
>King
>Queen
>Jack
>Orochi
>Kyoshiro
>Drake
>Hawkins
Who will fight who? It's kinda tricky this time since we have so many characters allied with straw hats that could potentially get a shot.

He will help Blackbeard steal the hat out of Marijoas’ giant freezer, since he’s an ice man he can sneak in.
Oda removed part of his leg because he will lose his balance fighting Blackbeard, the only way Blackbeard could beat him.

I wish Zephyr was canon so bad.

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Kyoshiro's out, he's Denjiro.
4 more Tobi Roppo villains.
Oniwabanshu.
Mimawarigumi.

>Kinemon is 46.
Kinemon is 36, retard.

>From my read they are joking about being stronger than Kinemon, and Kinemon also jokes with a rebuke of just don’t slow him down or something similar.
He's not joking, the only joke on the panel was Kinemon in comparison to him and Inu, which he implied.

>Kinemon being able to weld and cut fire represents an understanding of the sword beyond what the other samurai have shown
Like we've addressed earlier, adding fire/cutting fire with your attacks doesn't mean you're necessarily stronger than Ashura/Inu/Neko.

>>adding fire to your attack doesn’t make you stronger than Ashura.
>Being able to save your friend from more types of attacks does though.
>Swordsmanship is about “protection,” in one piece, according to Koshiro’s lesson.
That has nothing to do pertaining to if he's stronger than Ashura/Inu/Neko.

>1. Only jobbed to Shichibukai
The lower-tier Shichibukai, strongest being Weevil/Mihawk/Boa, yes. That doesn't mean he's stronger than Ashura/Inu/Neko.
>2. Oda purposely didn’t tell us he was the leader of a legendary samurai group for a long-ass time.
That has nothing to do pertaining to if he's stronger than Ashura/Inu/Neko.
>3. The samurai who made Zoro interested. He made a huge explosion do no harm to his friends. Oda didn’t tell us he was the leader samurai though or even “legendary.”
That doesn't mean he's stronger than Ashura/Inu/Neko.
>4. Kinemon saved Brook from the strongest dragon on the island. Zoro’s only falsely looked stronger and cooler to defeat.
That doesn't mean he's stronger than Ashura/Inu/Neko.
>5. Kinemon has good CoO since he fought extremely proficiently, while starved and after extreme exposure to the elements, as a torso, with no sight, hearing, and having to use his sword arms also as his legs against a straw hat pirate.
Brook doesn't have CoO.

From what i'm guessing, you're trying to goalpost away from what the argument started from in the first place.

Luffy +(at the very end, Sogeking will wake Luffy up and hit make Kaiden sneeze with a tobacco star, showing Luffy he can be beat) + all supernova (inc. Zoro and Killer): Kaido
Kinemon and Brook: King
Franky + Robin: Queen
Usopp + Chopper: Weevil + Miss Bakkan
Sanji: Jack
Ashura + Neko + Inaurashi + Okiku + Kawamatsu + Kanjuro + Raizo + Denjiro + the one I forgot : Orochi
Zoro should beat Kyoshiro now that he got taunted.

>Beast Pirates (SMILE eaters)
>Mimawarigumi
>Oniwabanshu
>CP-0

I know Akainu was hesitant about facing the samurai in Wano, but I don't think he realizes how weakened their forces are after the country was overthrown by Kaido and Orochi. Most of the samurai were thrown in prisons or died fighting against the regime.

Couldn't CP-0 report this to the government and inform Akainu he was stressing over nothing leading them to join in the fight as well?

Kaido will be a huge raid boss all the red scabbards will focus on. There's no way Oda will go for the "Luffy 1v1s the unbeatable villain after all hope is lost" yet again, he just can't. Can he?

Who is we? None of the rebuttals you just posted are compelling, you are basically asking for a circle of opinion at this point.
The only one you refuted was his age, the rest are weak excuses that in no way take away his object feats.
>this has nothing to do with being stronger.
It’s as significant as being able to cut steel or not. It’s a fundamental. Undoubtedly Zoro is meant to learn it and that’s why it’s been built up over the course of years.
>Low-tier shichibukai
Not a rebuttal.
>Doesn’t make him stronger than ashura
It doesn’t make him weaker either though, and he can do more skilled things so far.
>Brook doesnt have CoO
Good point, Kinemon didn’t have legs or a head though. Even though CoO was well established, it was very impressive when Fujitora was introduced as a blind swordsman.
Kinemon took that to another level. You haven’t convinced me that inaurashi, Neko, and Ashura are stronger than Kinemon. You have only supported your view that they are with a joke line on one page, yet expect me to believe it despite all the feats of strength and the implicit hidden power level gimmick he’s had going, like when Sanji gets suspicious he won’t wipe the fodder on dressrosa.
Oda could have made any samurai the leader but he chose Kinemon, and he chose not to tell us Kinemon was the leader until years later.
All the samurai are very strong, with Kinemon as the strongest.

>>Kaido
Luffy
>>King
Zoro
>>Queen
Sanji
>>Jack
Jinbe
>>Orochi
Kin'emon
>>Kyoshiro
Zoro
>>Drake
Sanji
>>Hawkins
Law

He is. His movie isn't.

Damn good lineup.

Generic. Boring. Stagnant.

"Zoro is already at Kaido's level".

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he is never made it into the story

He's not. Shiki is thanks to Episode 0.

The old power trio mentality has gotta go. Jimbei and Franky are the new runner ups.

since the WG and CP-0 openly misinform or leave Akainu uninformed, he’s going off his memories of the Ohara years, when Kozuki Oden abd various people snuck in and out of Wano. Most likely Robin’s unnamed dad is one.
The Red Scabbards are legendary in world, but not for beating Kaido; they did something cool we have yet to be shown instead.

>Kaido
Luffy+Zoro+Scabbards
>King
Luffy
>Queen
Jinbei
>Jack
Sanji, Chopper and Franky lmao
>Orochi
Usopp
>Kyoshiro
Zoro
>Drake
Will defect
>Hawkins
Law

LMAOOOOOOOO SORRY ??????? Oda said himself that he is weaker than Luffy in databook vivre Card but you said Zoro can be round Kaido level ? What do you smoke ?

Dumb retards really think 1 sword makes all the difference.

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Finally someone with some sense. The sword itself doesn't really matter because it's the wielder that makes it great

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>Kaido
Luffy, Law, Kid, and any other Supernovas that defect
>King
Zoro and Sanji
>Queen
Scabbard combo
>Jack
Inu and Neko
>Orochi
A wild card, I dunno how he'll actually play out in combat
>Kyoshiro
Same thing as Orochi but for different reasons, he's obviously strong but I have no clue who he'll side with at the end
>Drake
dunno
>Hawkins
He'll defect once the odds turn in the alliance's favor

The Flying Six will all be team fights involving the Straw Hats and the other scabbards who didn't get an opponent yet.

>The only one you refuted was his age,
This destroys you're entire argument, though. You've admitted that even though Ashura had to survive for 20 years, you think he's given up completely everything-wise after 10. That means you admit that Ashura has had 10 years of getting stronger, and we both know that means he's stronger. Since you know this, you tried lying about Kinemon's age. You've said yourself here that Kinemon was 36, proving you lied to make it seem like Ashura was the same age as Kinemon when he finished getting stronger. This is why you get shit on frequently, Kinemonfag.

>None of the rebuttals you just posted are compelling
The feeling is mutual,

>It’s as significant as being able to cut steel or not
Cutting fire isn't the same as high level Ryuo.

>Good point, Kinemon didn’t have legs or a head though
This is called goalposting, please pay attention.

>You haven’t convinced me that inaurashi, Neko, and Ashura are stronger than Kinemon
I've debunked all your points, it's up to you to personally believe Kinemon is stronger regardless.

Skilled user with strong sword and strong CoA > skilled user with weak sword and strong CoA.

The level gap is the highest it's ever been by a very large factor. He won't unless the alliance damages him a lot. This is like trying to solo a level 97 raid boss as a level 70 character, it isn't happening.

Stop calling it Laugh Tale THATS AGAINST THE LAW

Man,I really like the texture on the snake.Shame the dress paintjob is kinda eh.

There's a translator who was in the movie theater, he said the Japanese people there didn't notice any difference in Raftel/Laugh Tale, meaning it's either like Luffy/Ruffy until romanized.

I think the only thing that annoys me is that there's now a space between the word, rather than the reveal of the romanization. Was it ever written with a space inbetween in the original Japanese?

>Was it ever written with a space inbetween in the original Japanese?

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I really hope Kinemon is at least useful on the final battle, because if this turns out to be "Luffy defeats main villain while the rest does less important stuff" over again I'm gonna cut my balls

When I say romanized, I mean we see "RAFTEL" or "LAUGH TALE" in the manga like in the official introduction of the main character in 910.

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based

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The story has hyped up Ashura Doji to be the strongest though, since Oden had to defeat him in order to start his reform of Kuri. Unless Kin'emon came from some random other part of Wano and Oden recruited him separately, but that would then beg the question why someone even stronger than Ashura would immediately bend the knee whereas someone weaker than him would fight back when challenged for territory.

the entirety of the Oniwabanshu already jobbed to Zoro

Extremely incorrect. 2 members. Guarantee you're misreading because I initially did too.

>Kaido
Kid
>King
Luffy
>Queen
Killer
>Jack
Inuarashi and Nekomamushi
>Orochi
9 Scabbards
>Kyoshiro
Zolo
>Drake
Will betray Kaido
>Hawkins
The rest of the cuckhat pirates

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Go back to your shithole of a site, effeminate. And yes, a sword, especially one that managed to scar a monster like Kaido, can make a difference. Your pic isn't proving your point. The sword matters, it's just more about the wielder. But it matters. Put two swordsmen of the same level, but one of them having a stronger sword. The one with the better sword wins.

>Kaido
Luffy, Zoro, Kid, Momo, Law, Hawkins, Tama
>King
I don't know, maybe someone from the BMP
>Queen
Sanji, Franky, Usopp, Chopper
>Jack
Inuarashi and Nekomamushi
>Orochi
killed by someone without putting up a fight
>Drake
joins the alliance
>Hawkins
joins the alliance
>Kyoshiro
Zoro

do you have a link to the movie ?

>watching reaction videos
How autistic does a person have to be to spend his free time doing that?

doesn't matter, if heavily handicapped Zoro took 2 out effortlessly, then the rest don't pose a threat to the Strawhats, at most they'll break a sweat, but that will be about it.

>start to get attached to carrot in BM arc
>y..yeah.. she could be a cool member now that I think about it... the signs are there..
>instantly becomes completely irrelevant once they get to wano, pretty much cementing any chances she might join for real.

t..thanks..

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Definitely matters. 2 =/= Entirety. Also, why are you assuming they'll fight the Straw Hats?

>cementing any chances she joins for real
WE WIN CARROTBROS

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Don't lose hope, ESL Carrotchad. We're still in this.

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What are some other series that introduce the MC 910 chapters in I can check out?

Act 3, maybe something will happen
Maybe.

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shut up furfag

if they are the fights for the scabbards that would be even worse, especially when their leader was only Raizo's rival

Why are you assuming they'll fight the Scabbards?

to be fair most of the crew has barely done shit at this point besides zoro, sanji and luffy, franky in particular I think only blocked some bullets in like 1 panel.

only with chinese subs
nyaa.si/view/1171057

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Everyone's pre-raid tasks are nearly complete, is the crew going to reunite soon?

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thank you so much !

I can't see Oda doing it any later than 970. He's a tease but not THAT much of one. But we still really can't get a handle on how long this arc will be so it's hard to tell. If it lasts until 1100 then they'll probably close to 1000.

So if the big mom pirates do land in Wano, how will the more significant forces clash with each other? I'd personally hope for three-way battles, such as Queen, Daifuku and Sanji and then Zoro, Smoothie and King. But considering how overkill taking out two Yonkos would be, I wouldn't be surprised if the BM pirates just abscond for another reason.

BULLET'D

>>Kaido
Luffy
>>BM Pirates
Marines
>>King
Zoro
>>Queen
Chopper will hard counter his chemical weapons. Possible new legendary monster form powerup
>>Jack
Jimbe. fishman vs.fishman
>>Orochi
Momonoskuke + Hiyori tag-team
>>Kyoshiro
Kin'emon
>>Drake
Sanji w/ raidsuit rematch
>>Hawkins
Law
>>Apoo
Kidd

Hawkins v.s Law is cheating, Law already won.

That would be awesome but i doubt cause oda wouldn't want another mascot in the crew i believe

Does bunny paizuri feel good?

Supreme Grade swords require their masters to be CoC users.

> WB had CoC, naginata is Supreme Grade
> Shanks has CoC, his sword most likely is Supreme Grade
> BM has CoC, her sword most likely is Supreme Grade
> Rayleigh has CoC, his sword most likely is a Supreme Grade
> Oden had CoC, Enma most likely is a Supreme Grade

It wasn't stated for some of those swords to be Supreme Grade, however, here are some indications
> those swords are all used by powerful af people, who, when they would've desired, had gotten themselves some Supreme Grade swords over the time. The only reason they didn't is that they are already in possession of one
> those swords have proven to be very durable and powerful since they partly have been used to fight each other over the time (Shanks vs WB, Shanks vs Mihawk, probably BM vs WB, BM vs Shanks at some point(s) in the last 20 years)
> some of those swords were used to fight highly dangerous, haki using logia admirals (shanks vs akainu, WB vs all three admirals)

This leaves three people
> Mr bald guy from the 5 elders, probably has the 1st gen kitetsu, probably has CoC, if theory is proven true
> Mihawk wields Supreme Grade sword Yoru (which lived through countless duells with Shanks), probably has CoC, if theroy is proven true
> Zoro, if he gets Enma and if theory is proven true, will have CoC

Theory appendix

> there are 12 Supreme Grade swords. It would be sad if we couldn't see all of them during the series, or at least have them stated
> for many Meito classification swords it was stated that the sword has either a soul, a curse or whatever, which needs to be mastered/tamed by their master
> if only there would be a tool in the op universe, that allows users to beat the souls of people or to tame wild beasts, etc... Oh, wait, there is. Color of fucking conqueror

FLCL's a great one that does this.

The bald guy probably IS Kitetsu.

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In that particular webm it's got actual piss in it though.

If you're not in my pussy, you're not breeding, and wasting my time!

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It's a paramecia that let her turn her body into weapons.

You think any of that matters? Mihawk mangaed to defeat Zoro with a pocket knife while he was using a higher grade sword. Skill trounces sword grade this was established since the beginning but I wouldn't expect an illiterate dumbfuck like you to understand.

Neither of them won, their battle started back in Bakura town and de facto continues to this very moment.

>when I pin down the bun and make her do anal

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Some faggots want to hide behind some pseudo sword power up if Zoro turns out too strong for their tastes.
After all Zoro depends exclusively on his power and skill with his swords, he doesn't have a DF that has a million of hidden gimmicks nor does he need suits to make him stronger and faster.
Someone like poor Mihawk would probably lose to Sanji if he only used his knife!

>Kaido
Team up battle with next to everyone participating at some point, Zoro will surely wound him, Luffy will get the final hit in.
>King
Most likely Jinbe because he needs to get a fight versus a power house already. Can be Zoro if Oda goes for "monster trio" again, but I doubt it.
>Queen
I'm expecting Kid, Law got two of Doffy's officers to beat aside of participating in the final fight. Granted, it was his arc and the same can't be said for Kid and Wano, but metal boy needs some hype. Can be Sanji too (especially if Franky upgrades his suit), "monster trio" reasoning as above.
>Jack
Dukes but other minks can participate too.
>Orochi
He's gonna get slapped around a lot, like Spandam. Zoro will cut him at least once.
>Kyoshiro
I'm expecting Zoro will fight him again, but he might join the alliance/reveal his own agenda complicating this. Kin is also kind of a possibility, given he (mockingly) said he wanted to fight him.
>Drake
Might battle Sanji again, but will flip.
>Hawkins
Law. I doubt he's gonna flip, the chances of Luffy's team won't go above Kaido's in this battle until the latter is actually defeated. Unless Oda goes for Hawkins saying "screw it" and betting at Luffy anyway, but it's a bit too much cheesy and boring at this point.

Will any of them win their fights or will all of the beast pirates be jobbers?

Big Mom wanting to assassinate the Vinsmokes even though they already were her bitches
The entirety of Zou with its "lol jk" twists
How some DF users produce some lame stuff and can make it harder than steel (wax, biscuits, mochi)

Excellent parody of a delusional Jinbefag. I can actually see one writing something like that.

>any bad writing/mistakes made by Oda
Punk Hazard.

Unless you're BLACK, a FISH-MAN or possess a BIG CYBORG COCK, Robin isn't interested in you

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Rape it is, then

Please delete this!

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I wonder if Bonney was caught again when Revos were fighting Admirals in Mariejois.

I'm glad I made you happy. Reminder that Jinbe put up the best fight against an emperor aside of admirals and emperors themselves so far.

Kaido will win the first alliance battle, King, Queen, and the Tobi Roppo aren't. Neither is Old Maid, Luffy's just very high level for a non-Yonkou/admiral now.

Isn't that guy's tattoo in the top left panel a combination of a demon and a dragon?

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SOURU POCUSS

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>not fighting the Strawhats
>not fighting the scabbards
who's left to fight them then? they are so much of a jobbers that they can't stand a chance against anybody of the good side

I want to witness the collective meltdown when Carrot officially joins.

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Robin didn't join until Enies Lobby.
Franky didn't join until Water 7: Part 2.
Brook didn't join until the end of Thriller Bark.
There's still hope.

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She'll never join. She's too weak and Luffy has shown no interest.

She's stronger and faster than Trannji

Sabo looks really gay in this new movie

>>She's too weak
So I guess Nami isn't a Staw Hat, huh

What's with the nazi references in the nu-One Piece

Sabo’s amnesia. It’s more compelling if he had some Revoluionary duties he couldn’t abandon, never assuming Ace would really die. Now he’s guilt ridden and won’t let his other brother be in danger like that either. Cliched but at least it’s a motivation and treats Sabo as a real conflicted character

Nami is an old member. She joined before they even went to the grand line. Carrot, on the other hand, is too weak to join now when we're reaching the end.

>Sanji haters saying something stupid
She can't even beat Franky let alone Sanji.

>Muh arbitrary rules
Uh-huh.

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SPOILERS WHEN!?

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>Luffy is d-
Don't even need to know the past of a person to understand what is needed to be done.

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>black blade

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cute

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>Adapting to the new world is arbitrary rules
Cope harder

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>Third of the crew can't even use Haki
>Implying anyone other than Luffy, Zoro, and Sanji are properly adapted

Oda really fucked up with this, uh. Fans can say what they want, but haki will always be a positive in fight no how matter how you slice it

Unfair comparison. They all joined before the new world

Again
>Muh arbitrary rules

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Guess Franky was Luffy level in W7/EL

Usopp subconciously used Haki before, Franky just straight up has zero use for it with his arsenal of Vegapunk weapons, Brook can most likely attack people's souls directly, and who the fuck knows what Robin is actually capable of.
The only one who could use to learn Haki are Nami and Chopper, but since they aren't really primary fighters in the first place it's not like it's absolutely necessary.

>The only one who could use to learn Haki are Nami and Chopper, but since they aren't really primary fighters in the first place it's not like it's absolutely necessary.
They're a crew of 9, 9 persons. it's the smalles crew in OP world. I think any of them need to be pretty decent at figthing or you'll end up with stuff like Chopper & Nami getting fodderized by Vito

Nami's weather divining bullshit might as well be some form of Perception Haki.

>Chopper & Nami getting fodderized by Vito
oof

>franky in particular I think only blocked some bullets in like 1 panel.
He's beaten one of Kyoushiro's goons. And he got a short comedic suplot even if it led nowhere. The one who did the least is Usopp.

I don't really like Sabo's amnesia either,but at least it gives us a reason why he wasn't at marineford,even if it's a really flimsy one.If you remove that,he's just kind of a moron for assuming Ace's gonna get out of impel down just like that when his allies have been down there for years.

31-year-old virgin

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BMP will ally with BP. Or at least form a truce. They might even go for "who can round up more SHs" game.

Incorrect

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He could very well have been on a mission when he was cut off from outside information. Since Ace's capture to Marineford surely not more than a month has passed.

Pell and Pagaya surviving a gigantic bomb in the sky and getting electrocuted by a giant thunderbolt from the sky will never not piss me off.

How could he not recognize Shank if he’s a well known pirate? The man was even on Rodgers ship before he became big

>ANOTHER Luffy 6*
>Bullet already has a 6+
God, this is some top jewery.

user, you have no right to say that when you're using Yea Forums..

Enel's lighting killed NO ONE.

Higuma is a mountain bandit from the East Blue. Even Marines in the East Blue didn't know Devil Fruits were real despite fucking Smoker being stationed there.
I.e. Oda makes this shit up as he goes.

Birdcage.

Falcons are the fastest birds in the world with crazy diving speeds so there's some somewhat logical evidence. Pell was still injured badly and had to recover for four days before he could return to the palace.

Sure, this kills the sacrifice, but Oda's said himself that characters dying would put a damper on the end of the arc. Pell doesn't need to die to advance the story, so Oda's not gonna kill him.

It actually killed Moyle and that dude that Nami first encountered in Upper Yard.

Regarding the Pell thing. The chapter was released like a month after 9/11. It's possible Oda decided to make some last minute changes.

Why are you retards trying to argue? Not everything has to be turned into an internet discussion, if people feel ticked off about certain plot points, and justify their reasonings, can't you just take that and move on?
Do you REALLY need to start arguing about this as if it's another logical argument you have to participate in?
Fuck off.

Doflamingo's glasses reappear on the boat where he is imprisoned after Luffy shattered them with KKG at the end of their fight.

He probably has spares around,he's too /fa/ not to.

They're the pair he had under the original pair as seen in the SBS.

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I fully understand Hammock

Goda.

>I don't like "x" because "y"
>Well, actually "y" isn't quite true
>REEEEEEEE don't discuss
You're retarded, user.

That's just a random design, Oda probably doesn't even remember making it.

How about Jack the Dragdown pointlessly fighting a stupid war for 5 days until he decided to use a poison gas weapon he had which he could've used at the very fucking beginning.

Luffy's scar always looks so bad in anything but the manga.

Reusing Devil Fruits with similar abilities like Aoikiji and Monet, Miss Goldenweek's art and Jora, Miss Valentine and Machivise, & Mr. 5 and Gladius was kind lame and unoriginal in my eyes.

looks pretty cookie-cutter/boring to me. Even the artstyle isn't that great.
There is a lot more you can do with a crazy world like OP.

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No user, explaining the reasoning behind a certain plot point doesn't mean people cannot dislike them. I could punch your face in because you're being a faggot, would you like that though? If someone feels negatively about how a story develops, that is a feeling beyond "it makes sense" or "well it was explained so you have to like it", and the fact that you cannot grasp that is telling.

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Miss Goldenweek doesn't have a devil fruit bro

Not everyone is a complete sexual degenerate, gangbang is enough for me

People disliked Miss Goldenweek's skill?
I thought it was quite creative, hypnotizing people by drawing on them is cool.

Jora's DF ability and Goldenweek's hypnosis are nothing alike though

Speedreading spics lmao don't you even know who Miss Goldenweek is?

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Are you implying miss merrychristmas is miss goldenweek now?Miss Goldenweek was a loli.In merrychristmas's case,she DID have a DF though.

In 18-24 hours

I never knew this, that's just dumb. How the fuck would her skill even work without a DF? OP is usually pretty good about what is and isn't possible.

It does make me think why no one bothered to take out the stitches for over 10 years.

Look at her. Compare her to Jora. They look identical. They have the same Devil Fruit power of contorlling people's actions trhough art.

Trebol was clearly a logia that Oda changed his mind about later on.

Guys gets bisected into thirds and then suddenly he's a Paramecia?

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Buggy confirmed Logia.

She explains it.
It's hypnotism.

You could have stopped at "Trebol" and it would have been a satisfactory answer.

Luffy gets affected by it without ever seeing the paint when they fight.

>Oda always plans everything ahe-

There are plenty of weird, unexplained powers in OP, like Shyarly's psychic ability (which isn't CoO.)

Yeah, and?
Not everything has to make sense and be explained. God user, you sure are boring.

The fact that there's Paramecia, Logia, and Zoan, but then there's "Special Paramecia" is complete bullshit. There should have been a fourth type of Devil Fruit.

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Oda wrote character motivations in Punk Hazard that he abandoned later on:

1. Caesar Clown tried to capture Franky for his laser, then forgot about it once he captured him

2. Oda planted clues that Monet would betray Caesar, then eliminated that subplot (Monet saw Chopper sneaking around and didn't stop him, later someone tosses him a note to help him - Oda still hasn't identified where that note came from).

Both made sense initially to advance the plot (like giving Luffy a reason to chase a captive Franky around the island) - but were let go when things got too complicated

I don't think they're the same.Goldenweek's power(from what we saw) was hypnotizing people,whilst Jora's was assimilating people into art,distorting the enviroment with art and creating some sort of mirror chamber that no one from the outside can see.We also never saw her hypnotize people or draw directly on them.So in conclusion,they're similiar in concept but very different in execution.

Has it ever occurred to you that the categories are just how people in the OP world categorize the fruits and that they're descriptive rather than prescriptive?

oh, that's completely fine. Don't want to shit on anybodies preferences.
But I think even with tamer themes and without anything too wild, there is a lot more you can do than just put the girls in a bar for a blowjob. That's something you can do for literally any series, don't need OP for that.

Just wanted to point that out since the original poster said it was the best doujin - and I was kinda scratching my head at that.
But alright, you may continue fapping.

For me? It's BoBoBo's Bonney doujin.

He's just an awakened Paramecia. Not only is it nowhere even implied he could be Logia, "sticky" is an adjective and not something you can transform into.

>2. Oda planted clues that Monet would betray Caesar, then eliminated that subplot (Monet saw Chopper sneaking around and didn't stop him, later someone tosses him a note to help him - Oda still hasn't identified where that note came from).
That was Law telling him not to interfere with their escape plan. It was pretty fucking obvious.

Jora's abilities have fuck all to do with hypnotising or controlling people though?
If anything Goldenweek is more similar to that hypnotist from the Black Cat pirates early on.

Why is Mochi counted as a Paramecia and not a Logia

Law was chained up. There was no time for him to write a note and swap it at the same time without being noticed.

Well actually, it's just the onomatopeia for things that are sticky or cling.
You know, just like Pika is the onomatopeia for things that glitter.
Or Goro being the onomatopeia for thunder.
Or Moku, that's the sound clouds make.

Carrot needs to have an actual character arc first before joining. She doesn't have one. And the fact that the Oden flashback was retconned to have a mink that resembles Carrot in it is suspicious as fuck.

Mochi isn't an element.

Mochi is not a natural substance

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Remember when Bellows was Kaido in disguise?

I miss the Toriko hype

Imagine being Killer

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Mochi is a special paramecia. Not sure what that means, but I believe it grants a paramecia logia-esque powers without actually being a logia. It's not a logia because mochi isn't an element.

>All Logia are element based

Special Paramecia is basically Oda just saying "Fuck it, this is a Devil Fruit because reasons". Like Cracker, or Sugar.

It most likely means having the ability to become and produce something that isn't natural. For example, Katakuri can become mochi/regenerate limbs and he can produce mochi too

"Force of nature", whatever.
Come on, you get the idea don't be THAT guy.

Will you stop it with this stupid theory? Stop listening to that retard newworldartur. Kaido invaded 20 years ago, Carrot is 15 years old. Do the math.

DF started being bullshit when baby five was introduced

This seems planned IMO, and probably is since Wano predates One Piece.

I think Oda just wanted to give us a preview of Luffy fighting a competent Loga-like user to show how the fight with the Admirals is going to go, so he just invented Special Paramecia on the fly.

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I still don't understand Oda's reasoning for some of his Devil Fruit logic.
Like, in some SBS he said that the Magma fruit is a clearly superior version to the Fire fruit, but that to me doesn't really make any sense at all. Since Fire is something intangible while Magma is a flowing substance, which means they should function very differently.

It was stated that magma smothers fire, and I can buy that.

Doesn't mean that it's an "upgrade" to the fire fruit.

Magma seems like it would be more of a Special Paramecia to me going by the logic we have nowadays.
Alas, if only Ace knew about Haki.

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No no no! Delete this!! This is what we always forget! Shut it down!

It is in the OP world, which is a fictional setting where you can fly on balloons to the moon.

He knew Conqueror's and Armament.

This is exactly what I'm complaining about. What is your point?

Yes. Logia-esque powers.

>Looking up Devil Fruits now
>Shiro Shiro no Mi
What the fuck is this fruit

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It would've been so much easier if Oda just said he used Haki.

Or just said that Ace willingly took the punch to stop it from getting to Luffy.

I thought Ace solidified himself to protect Luffy from the punch, basically taking it without his Logia abilities otherwise it would just pass through him.

A Paramecia :))))

sometimes i cant believe how retarded one piece fans are at understanding this series, why in the fucking name of god would anyone except for luffy deliver the final blow to kaido? did you miss how in literally every other arc luffy always takes down the big bad by himself? why would kaido be any different?

Shanks not able to avoid/beat the monster who ate his arm while saving Luffy. Luffy beat the monster at 17 at the very beginning of his adventure. Shanks was supposed to regularly fight with Mihawk before loosing his arm. You can stand up to one of the best pirate in the world (or at least he is now) but not to a weak East Blue Monster??

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Because the big bad of the Arc isn't Kaidou. It'll be Blackbeard.

Luffy vs Blackbeard
Zoro vs Kaidou
Nami vs Big Mom
The OG trio vs the Evil Yonkou Trio.

Mainly because Zoro still hasn't had a single good fight yet since the timeskip and people are desperately itching for him to go all out for once.
We really have no idea just how strong he actually is, he's barely had any showtime and kind of just shit all over everyone that tried to fight him.
Going up against someone like Kaido, who was already hurt by one of the best swordsmen the OP world has ever seen, would give people just that.

Luffy isn't fighting Kaido alone if that's what you're implying. I do believe he will get the last hit, but whether or not Kaido is actually defeated is something we'll have to see.

Here's the list of superior DF's confirmed by the SBS.

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>Nami vs Big Mom
Lol

at first he won't, he'll probably team up with a few other supernovas, but the final showdown will be purely kaido vs luffy, like how law fought with luffy against mingo but in the end luffy had to do the final stretch alone. that's just how this series works

>linlin
>evil

Bunnys are for footjobs.

Let's entertain the idea that Zoro does end up killing/defeating Kaido, what feat must Luffy accomplish during this arc as not to be outdone by Zoro?

Yeah, remember when Luffy took down Akainu in the Marineford War? Damn, that was great.

Defeat Big Mom.

akainu was never meant to be taken down in that arc though. its very clear that kaido is going down this arc though, as well as big mom

>There is a lot more you can do with a crazy world like OP.
>let's make Robin grow a dick for the 300th time
Not helping your case. Also I want my muhfuggin Shyarly doujins goddamnit.

BEYOND IMAGINATION

Lol, even if Zoro does end up landing the final blow on Kaido using Enma, he won't do it in a 1v1 fight. The defeat of Kaido will obviously involve Luffy, Tama, Kid, possibly Hawkins(he can use his card to boost someone's stats), Law, and maybe Momo.

>that's the sound clouds make.
What?

Really hoping that Katakuri's not one of a kind. Karasu's & Tamago's DF could easily be considered a "Special Paramecia".

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Luffy being a Yonkou all of a sudden.

Or just straight Paramecia. You know, since Paramecia just means it doesn't fit into either of the remaining categories.

That doesn't explain how Katakuri is able to shoot of his arms like rockets and create holes in his body to avoid being dodged like a Logia would tho.

That's because his DF is awakened. He straight up tells Luffy during the fight.

Because he's a Logia.

>steve buscemi

That's not what Awakening does tho

No he's a Special Paramecia

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What does an Awakened Devil Fruit even mean again

That's what I said, he's a Logia.

The way Luffy vs Katakuri was depicted. It was essentially Katakuri beating on a piñata for 12 hours until he got tired. I know in terms of story, Luffy had to win there, but the method in which he won left a sour taste in my mouth. Flampe was pretty much essential for Katakuri to take any real damage, even though I'd rather that entire scene didn't happen. The ending words between Luffy and Katakuri did make it a bit worthwhile, and I know the entire fight can be explained by saying that Luffy is a tabk and Katakuri became a glass cannon since he hasn't taken a hit in decades, but I would have preferred if Luffy got a few more hits in.

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You can that up with Fake News Morgans for hyping up his rubbery bitch ass.

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This is probably the best explanation of the entire fight that I've seen.
youtube.com/watch?v=T5l3-0jEs0k&t

have you even read the doujin?
if all what happened was Robin growing a dick I wouldn't have posted that. Aside from the cloning, futanari, size-play and mermaid-fucking, there are also some nice details in there that show love for the lore of OP, like the coating-bubble Nami uses to dive into Shirahoshi, or the use of Robins DF to create lotion and fuse with Nami.
It has a lot in it, and most of it makes sense for the world of OP, but in no other world.
It's definitely not just Robin growing a dick, and I'm not sure why you would reduce the Doujin to such an extent when it's this obvious it's not the only thing it has to offer.

I think Stampede will boost Usopp's popularity a lot

barto's suitcase

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t. Rebis
You're a hack and you always will be.

Shinokuni actually not being deadly was just stupid. No one cares about some marine fodder dying so why?
There was no fucking point.

It's just a Pulp Fiction reference.

Admit it you laughed when Barto pulled out Luffy merchandise from his suitcase.

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Because if people had actually died then Caesar couldn't become nakama.

Did Caribou kill anyone? I'm hoping he joins.

He didn't need it since Sabe ate the Mera Mera.

The rabbit in the flashback was Carrot's mother

Shinokuni had another point. It let capture people.

yes, he gained his reputation from killing marines

The egg on the Oro Jackson

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Which flashback?

I can't get any (you)s in here...do I need to be an ESL Trannjitard and talk shit about Zolo to get some attention?

It's ok, Zoro killed people before and he still became nakama. There's hope for Caribou.

>Zoro killed people before
when?

He honestly just wings the shit most of the time.

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Pushed Kuina off the stairs so he could get her sword.

My point is you're expecting it to operate by OUR world's standards. It does not, because it is not Earth.

Former Mr. 7 of Baroque Works and just recently the Magistrate in Wano.

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This, it's a combination of winging and long-term planning (see: his notebooks).

I can guarantee Robin had to kill a few people over the 20 years she was on the run, particularly while she was in Baroque Works.

Franky, having basically been a crime boss, would surely have made some people disappear, and that's not even counting how he technically killed tom I'm so sorry.

Brook was a pirate before the great pirate era even started, and I'm willing to bet the Rumbars, despite their fun-loving attitude, killed a few party poopers and/or killjoys in their prime.

We've already got confirmation on Zoro.

Usopp MAY have sniped a few people to death at one point or another since joining the crew, but I'm willing to bet he didn't kill anyone in Syrup village.

Sanji is debatable

Nami probably couldn't have killed someone in cold blood after having watched Bellmere die, imo.

Chopper sort of...kind of...poisoned Dr. Hiluluk, although he was technically dieing already.

which brings us to Luffy, who I'm pretty sure has to have killed someone out of like, negligence or something.

A flawed thought process has nothing to do with what sort of magic it is brainlet, it is clear to anyone that they must function differently because they are fundamentally different substances, with different inherent qualities. Either adress this issue properly or don't bother to reply retard.

It's this right?

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Such books, yes.

Fire and magma do not have to function in OP's world as they do in real life, for this is fiction. Therefore, you can plug your ears and pretend that they have to like in hardcore science fiction, but the author's laws of his world dictate it, not the real world's unless adhering closely to the real world. So fire > magma in the OP world, they are not our fire and magma and you're expecting them to be.

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Considering Oda's insane schedule, this is so nice to see.

So you're just retarded, got it.

Same to you.

Mochi can be split.

twitter.com/hobby_magazine/status/1166630841742778374
New figures

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So can wax and poison but Galdino and Magellan can't do what Katakuri can.

Ah ok, seems like he's a special Paramecia then.

Robin has never worn that outfit.

Damn, I want to have a tour of Oda's office.

She did in a cover spread.

because their body are not wax or poison. they can just produce those.

Also I'm tired, meant magma > fire.

Odas house is wild. He has a bathroom with a shark sticking out of the wall, his office is FILLED with shit, he has a life sized Terminator statue, a mini train ride in his back yard, and I'm pretty sure he has a jukebox.

Yeah you're right sorry about that.

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Katakuri is a special Paramecia because he's awakened. You can't refute this.

No spoilers yet?

I wish they'd let him get that pet giraffe he wanted.

How many bunny offspring does Carrot need in a week?

I want the zorro to turn into a sword that Zoro can use.

use this thread

SWORDRO

You're forgiven friend

*cough* Doflamingo

Then why was he initially referred to sinply as a Logia?

In the magazine scans? Didn't Zoro have Luffy's chest scar in one of those in FI? It got corrected to special Paramecia in the volume.

OK

Because some whiny faggot fan got pissy about "muh elements" and Oda said "fuck you new classification then you little bitch, have fun with your autistic arguments."

Yeah, but why a Logia in the magazine? A drawing mistake is easy to explain, a writing one is different.

These fagfans are responsible for the "AHHH! KATAKURI'S HITTING LUFFY!" panels in OP from crowd members.

He is Logia-like. Just isn't an element.

Gyukimaru's weapons were real, I wonder if he can turn into a weapon just like that.

At least a few dozen per week.