Isekai Thread

Ideally the prota gonist would be learning about the world along with the audience. In modern garbage isekai though, he already knows about the world because it's just like his video games.

Both are trash. And isekai are just same battle harems but in another world

Everything
Nothing

>"My ability lets me fart on tuesday, but if I combine it with lots of tacos and the Demon King's army is attacking on a tuesday... This might just work!"

Isekai would be fine if the main character wasn't a Mary Sue
>isekai where the main character isn't the hero and just ends up being a common man
>has to get an actual job to survive in the new world

Does he end up dying again and isekaiing somewhere less realistic? Isekai is supposed to be fantasy

no
SoL isekai works just fine
It doesn't have to be a shitty powerfantasy

>Either super powerful and unstoppable and everyone loves him.
>Or the world's largest bitch, can't do anything for anyone, is worthless in all regards.
Is personal growth just not a thing in Japan? Or romance between two people?

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What’s worse is the uselessness of the premise can be easily fixed in a way that can make the plot more interesting. For example, other stuff could bleed over between worlds, so the MC might have a leg up on others because he can recognize the stuff that shows up, but it can potentially be used against him.

>What Isekai trope needs to die?
The bland, spineless male MC

>What Isekai trope needs more exploring?
Loli MC with a yuri harem

>Loli MC with a yuri harem
Harassing Thief Girl.

Isekei isn't "supposed" to be anything. Believe it or not, any genre can be used to tell a compelling, well written story. The idea that anything is SUPPOSED to always be trash is fucking stupid.

But people have shit taste and it's easier to be a bad lazy author than a hard working talented one, so that's why isekei is in the shape it is.

There are a few but I need more.

>What Isekai trope needs more exploring?
We need more blond male protagonists, goddamnit! I'm so tired of the generic jap face! If the protagonist is going to a medieval fantasy, have your character die and be reincarnated into a body that fits the world!

>They're inside an online RPG

This needs to die so hard.

God, that WN was shit. Up there with the fucking farm isekai.

LGBT town development was a mistake.

they should get a westerner body, but get ported to rice land anyway

I personally like we're Overlord was going with its human characters who had reached their level cap. With game mechanics, that's it. There's no moving beyond those limitations.

Their situation feels more real than in a story without the mechanics. "There's always a way".
Like. No. The only way to overcome human limits is to stop being human. Which is what the one wizard does and becomes a lich.

>Japanese modern protagonist
>Reborn as a blonde westerner
>Reborn into youkai-ridden fantasy sengoku jidai
>Yelling at god, "What was the point of this body then?!"
It sounds fucking amazing, user. Top idea.

>natives are all like, "disgusting uncultured gaijin barbarian desu"

Battle harem issekai when?

"muh limits" is unironically shit writing. There's no such thing as hard limit in reality, only diminishing returns until you die of old age. In fiction the concept of hard limits exists only to excuse the fact that you don't have to write any more development for a certain character. You can just say that he's hit his human racial limit at level 40 or some shit and sidestep any attempts to overcome humanity to get more powerful. Without hard limits you have to deal with the numerous ways to bullshit yourself out of soft limits with magical augmentation or whatever. You can also not have to deal with the logical conclusion that 5000 year old fat ugly bastard would be ungodly talented at everything with muh game mechanics, he just hit his cap at age 60 and stopped growing after that.

Level caps and game mechanics only exist to provide easy ass-pulls and cop-outs for amateur writers. Change my mind.

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Counterpoint: memory loss over time.
Some skills will improve continuously, but not all. Things slip away as people age, and I'm of the opinion that anyone who managed to live for 5000 years would have forgotten 90% of what he'd learned. There's also the matter of an aging body degrading physical power, but then we get into the mechanics of immortality.
Basically, the problem of soft limits is that they're all of different kinds. People have limits, but if you want to address them in fantasy you have to do so individually. It's easier to handwave them (i.e. Tolkien's perfect elves who never age or forget) or to impose broad-spectrum hard limits as a model.
Also, this is just a nitpick, but in your model a 5000-year old would be ungodly skilled, not ungodly talented. Talent is the potential you're born with, skill is acquired ability.

How many times did you need to hit yourself in the head with a hammer before this post seemed sensible and logical to you?

>There's no such thing as hard limit in reality,

There is. No matter how much you train the human body just isnt equipped to lift a gorillion tons even if you train 24/24

That isn’t the same thing as concrete powerlevels.

>concrete
what about reinforced concrete?

>reinforced concrete
what about reinforced concrete toilets?

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Drug addict reincarnated into another world. Pure Evil, the most vicious and ruthless main character to ever hit manga since Shamo.

>What Isekai trope needs more exploring?
Fix'd it in one sentence
"That time when I was going home
...and get transported to another world as a busty girl"

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You sound out of touch with reality. "There's always a way" is a cop out for writers who don't have the skill to write within restrictions. The rules of a game world are reality. Accepting that you're lv1 fodder for the slaughter is exactly the kind of genre subversion isekai needs. Not everyone is a winner. Which sounds like the kind of lesson an escape fantasy would have. You have to lose to leave.

i want a fucking Isekai where it actually explores how fucked up it is that you're transported away to another world. The MCs are never seeing their friends and family ever again, that has to be traumatizing and depressing, or on the flip side, it has to be a blessing in disguise because its a second chance for them since they finally get to escape their horrible lives. That sort of conflict would be really interesting to explore but for some reason, it never is.

The average isekai fan has no friends and is hated by their family so that wouldn't be marketable.

that one user who posts an image about an overpowered isekai MC being capable of solving most problems and conflicts but being unable to do so or to explain to others why he can't is actually a pretty neat idea desu

You're vastly overestimating the value of friends and family in the modern world.

A fat boisterous stereotyped black gangster reincarnates as a white noble loli and forms her gang of other nobles

>i want realityshit drama in muh escapism fantasy setting

well then do the opposite and explore an isekai MC that might be overcompensating and haunted by the fact that his life in the real world was dogshit and they doesn't wanna screw up or let what happened before get to them

Why overcompensate when you can just have a cheeto skirru that lets you instantly win everything.

>What Isekai trope needs to die?
Game mechanics, cheat skills, Japanese food, slave heroine, cheap revenge stories, plain/bland MC, mage MC, moralfag MC, overly edgy MC, one-dimensional side characters etc.

I would love Isekai where the protag has to start and maintain a business without just relying on meta-knowledge to create things from their old world.

Its a form of wish fulfillment and it lets the author self insert.
Its also really popular but most authors aren't putting much effort into it.

>marketable
The genre will sell on it's own. You don't need a likeable everyman that saves the cat in act 1.
How about a conceited asshole who imposes himself where he doesn't belong. Yea Forums can relate to aspergers, right?

>What Isekai trope needs more exploring?
native isekai

>it was actually paradise.
>then this guy showed up

How about an isekai where a language barrier is an actual thing rather than having some stupidly convenient translation magic.

>gets raped wherever (s)he goes

Reverse Isekai needs to be explored more.

Rather than having a beta faggot get Isekaied, have the fantasy characters or monster girls get Isekaied.

Elf San Was already does this.

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Even if there is a language barrier, it gets quickly skipped over, since nobody wants to read about learning a language.

Not him, but I think it could be used to force the MC to stick with some other character and then getting lost in a crowd, only knowing a few words. Also can be used to setup a reasonable romance if the person is a woman.

its not like i want to draw an isekai or anything
but what if

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Well its called limit. As in Y = 1 / ( x) has a limit of 0. You can keep getting infinitely close to 0, but you’ll never truely reach it.

Soft Limits actually allow for writers to write better characters that learn and develop new ways to circumvent their soft limit (power of friendship, mechanical advantage, new strategies, anything really) and keep growing and develop.

Or spend more time in reverse isekai arcs.

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Exactly. Imagine an average Isekai crew and now they are in vacation in a real life exotic place like the Congo, Ethiopia, Indonesia, Detroit, Sahara, and Antartica. Seeing the characters adapt to earth would be interesting.

>enemy gets away because MC has mercy
haha fuck off

I feel like Mushoku Tensei did that. It was a major plot point at the beginning, but eventually his character in the new world became more separate from his old life and he got over it.

>OMG I HAVE FRIENDS AND FAMILY AND A PERFECT LOVING LIFE, FUCK MAGIC WORLD RIGHT
That's the real wish fulfillment.

I hate reverse isekai. Regular isekai is bad enough (god, I want some old-fashioned fantasy anime again) but reverse isekai takes the cake. "Instead of putting a character from our shitty reality into an amazing fantasy world, let's force fantasy people to deal with modern garbage!"
Nothing kills a series faster for me. Fortunately most things with reverse isekai make it clear that it's the premise, and Gate was straight garbage anyway.

I see you are not a man of culture.

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One of her secrets is her lust for daddy's dick

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>Overweight elf gorging on shitty fast food
>Culture
Yeah, no.

You know what I really want to see happen?
A weekly isekai with shonen elements. EVERY WEEK.

Solid agree. It's always more interesting when an isekai does something else with the MC's starting clothing.
The series where he appears naked and immediately gets thrown in jail for public indecency comes to mind.

Source?

It's from slave harem in the death maze, or something along those lines.
New world maze slave harem? Something like that, anyway.

Re:Creators SoL/Harem version.

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>xianxia murderhobo in Detroit
>nothing changes
I'd read it

There's actually a constant stream of people being isekai's to earth from other, more brutal realities, but they all go to detroit so we haven't found out.

>No Sluteora

Isekai'd, I mean. Shit.

>>Or the world's largest bitch, can't do anything for anyone, is worthless in all regards.

Examples of this? Aren't all isekai power/sex fantasies?

I wonder how often we will see Miria talking to others like this.

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I really like it when isekai do the thing where MC brings in knowledge from the real world to invent things or enhance magic using science.
A similar idea is when in time travel isekai, the MC is knowledgeable of the time period and uses it influence events. For example, the MC teaching the three-volley shot or building a fort overnight in Oda Nobuna.

Choukadou girl is kinda like that

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It is known by many names: Hereot, Valhöll, the Elysian field, but we Orcs know it by it's true name; Detroit. Beyond a mighty lake lies a majestic land, where the bravest and greatest warriors of all tribes are born again, to battle and die under the eyes of the gods.

Got the pic? You mean like he knows how to solve things but just can't implement or express the solutions?

Sounds basically like the Greek myth of Cassandra, who was cursed by the gods to tell true prophecies that were never believed.

RIP Cosmic Break ;_;

A World That I Rule

Re:Zero − Starting Life in Another World kind of did this, when the MC was forced to confront the fact that he was a useless fuck in the isekai world and a NEET waste in the old one.

What?

This is especially retarded when Japanese grammar/language quirks (like using correct honorifics) is an actual plot point or is brought up by characters who ostensibly aren't supposed to be speaking Japanese.

>What Isekai trope needs to die?
Reincarnation, OP powers, and Immediate smut plot.
>What Isekai trope needs more exploring?
Being a Dimension hopping protagonist and a different setting other than fantasy.

Isekai stories tends to be so easy that there is no tension to read. Its hard to find one where the MC doesn't start dead, won't become OP fast and doesn't go into a fuckfest of a story in less than 10 volumes worth of story.

Master of Einherjar has that idea. At least I like it for the fact that it doesn't fall in the most common trope in isekais nowadays.

character is stated to have a shit magical element out of no where whoa MC magical element is the legendary X element.

>What Isekai trope needs to die?
overpowered faggots and steal abiliries are the only ones that i hate

Wasn't that more of a thing in battle school anime, predating the current isekai boom?

Delete isekai

>What Isekai trope needs to die?
Isekai'd Otome Villainesses becoming doormats

You need to read more otome villainess isekai, user.

>"Hey you, dumbass peasant toiling in the dirt. It's me, God."

>"Wha...GOD?! Wh..wh...ALL GLORY TO YOUR HOLINESS! What do You need from me?"

>"Shut the fuck up, for one thing."

>"Please forgive your hum"

>"Didn't I just tell you to shut up? Look, you're now the strongest and smartest person in the world, with unlimited magic power. Oh, and a giant cock that never fails."

>"Th...thank you, Lord! But why? Why me?"

>"Dunno, just bored."

End up in a fantasy world everything is so foreign and new but for some reason these guys with a European theme can cook Japaneses food and make katanas, seems all the people who practice Japanese tradition are stronger than everyone.

That or them not somehow doing 15 different oddjobs in their previous life that happens to be useful for the thing they are achieving be interesting if they started on the basics and tried to figure ideas to replicate what their original world had.

aka Budget Nona: The Videogame

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God I wish I was her.

OP main character only gets really bad when the author draws out the fights even if it's obvious who is going to win. Most Isekai fights are not good so it's better to just have main character own his opponent in 2 or 3 paragraphs then get back to world building and character development

Every work being set inbetween early Feudalism and late Dark Ages in terms of tech outside of extraordinary elements is getting quite old hat.
I wanna see some works set in deep BC times, we could even go into a hunter gatherer era world where the protag has to rough out primitive versions of tech.
If you want to set it forward without going into our modern era, maybe set it in a Victorian era where industrial revolution era machines are well under regular use. We could set it in a world set in the far future, where the protag has to figure out how to operate a spaceship, navigate strange worlds, and actually have to negotiate with new technology.

Doesn't even need to be that. The premise can be as simple as "I was plowing my serf-allotted field one day, when I uncovered the amazing lost relic of XYZ-bullshit plot hook! Crazy!"
There are plenty of ways to hero's journey a random loser into adventure without using another world, that don't feel any more absurd than isekai reincarnation itself.
The central reason for the isekai premise should be the protagonist's difficulty adapting to living in a fantasy setting, but of course that's very rarely shown beyond I MUST HAVE RICE.

>everything I like has glacial translations
>the shit being translated at a decent pace is always some combination of thoughtless shounen, MTL garbage or R-15 ecchi
There's no meaning to life.

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>mc is the most broken dude in existence, since the moment he took a step into the new world.

>I wanna see some works set in deep BC times

The Otaku in 10,000 B.C.

yup. its always garbage isekai #10000 being translated, while the monthly serial that has 2 volumes only gets a new translation every 3 months

I want 18th century isekai (or fantasy, really, the reincarnation is unimportant). Give me magical Dangerous Liaisons with elves, damn it!

>MTL is the fastest translated
I wonder why...
I mean, I agree that it sucks, but you can't really complain. Machine garbage will always be faster.

>"I was plowing my serf-allotted field one day, when I uncovered the amazing lost relic of XYZ-bullshit plot hook! Crazy!"

Dual! Parallel Trouble Adventure is kind of about that.

Are stories where the MC gets a redo of life considered isekai?

The problem is 18th century court intrigue/society stuff like Dangerous Liaisons is all about the intricacies of high society and people cleverly navigating them. Your typical isekai OC is a NEET loser who has the social abilities and grace of a potato. They'd never be able to participate, let alone thrive.

Did he goes to a different world?

what the hell do you want/like?

MC is so broken that even the god that gave them their powers say that they surpass them why would a god give a random mortal that much power or an ability that lets them gain that much?

I feel like that could make it more interesting. Sure, in a might-makes-right dark ages world the isekai MC with cheat powers gets everything his own way, but what if he's in a world where you need social grace to get ahead? He's a loser who can only solve things with violence, but violence can only get you so far; he's going to find himself getting manipulated, fucked over, used as a weapon, and generally having all kinds of strife in his experience. You know, actual story tension.
The power balance would be important, of course. He should be given a power on reincarnating that's strong enough to get him cocky about being an isekai protagonist, but not "I can wipe out armies" strong, like some are. He'll still get killed if he makes too many enemies.
Thoughts?

he has the bullshit Isekai powers but for whatever reason, he can't use it freely

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They're tired of their immortal, endless existence and want to die.

he's the most extroverted NEET i've ever seen

you would be too if you knew you would die each time you fucked up

That'd be a good excuse but most of the time was "Oops didn't think I gave you that much power." or "I didn't think that completely broken ability that gives you triple exp or allows you to kill things in one go would make you this strong."

That's basically what happened to the MC in Re:Zero. MC has the power to essentially restart from a save point every time he dies and thinks it makes him unbeatable. He eventually learns he's a joke in the iseaki world who's been played for a chump by all of the major factions because he's such a NEET loser.

I think your idea is workable, though. It's essentially the equivalent of stories about a country bumpkin or someone from a shit background somehow finding themselves thrust into high society.

Re:Zero is frustrating, because every time I talk about what I want from isekai it gets pointed out as "that's sort of what Re:Zero did." Thing is, I didn't like Re:Zero at all. Great premise, execution totally didn't work for me. The moment-to-moment writing and characterization, I mean.

Yeah, his power made him cocky and he ended up paying for that false confidence.

It kind of reminds me of how losers from America go to Japan and suddenly find themselves popular, or at least they do better than back home, when in reality they're still shit and can be easily manipulated/taken advantage of.

>What Isekai trope needs more exploring?
genderswap, anything like youjo senki

>They're tired of their immortal, endless existence and want to die.

Oh, totally agree. It wasn't good and ruined what it had. I just really liked that it did have the MC being forced to face reality, but that's about all I liked of it.

Are there any isekai where the MC gets played by all of the women he thinks he's seducing and making into his harem?

A virgin NEET who's never even held hands with an actual women seems like he'd be the perfect mark for any woman with experience to lead around by the nose no matter how powerful he magically becomes.

99% of genderswap is softcore porn so good luck getting your 1%

I've seen a number of WNs where that happens once and then the MC turns into an edgelord obsessed with CONTROL and REVENGE.
Something where it happens consistently, I can't bring to mind.

why not just make the main character a girl then?

Sengoku Komachi
Do You Think Someone Like You Can Defeat the Demon King?
Kono Sekai ga Game da to (is the only isekai to date that feels like an actual game)
Even Death Mage would be acceptable to see some updates from although it isn't particularly good.

There's a difference between not as fast as MTL and one chapter a season, maybe.

>Look it up.
>It's a hentai mango.

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That's a funny way to say thank you.

>I wanna see some works set in deep BC times
The Master of Ragnarok and Blesser of Einherjar
But don't watch the anime.

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Well it's nice enough, but this is only barely what I had in mind, and certainly not something I can read in public, which I'll have to be for the next few days.

fucking cheat magician needs to be cancelled
I cant believe I watch 7 eps to see if it gets better
literal 1/10 anime

Nemesis seems pretty cute but I really hate the extremely over stylized art style of the illustrator chosen for the novel. It's like Huke on steroids with how everything is overstylized.

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Your life needs to be canceled.

I want a translated isekai series with :

>no OP powers
>MC gets isekaied for a reason that is actually relevant to the plot, instead of just a shitty plot device
>people actually have believable goals and motivations, instead of simply lusting after the MC's cock forever while he ignores them
>no villains that kick puppies for fun
>no idiot that picks a fight with the MC in the adventurer's guild
>no chuuni [ skill names in brackets ]
>the natives are actually useful, instead of needing the MC and his harem to do everything for them
>MC doesn't use simple concepts like crop rotation or two handed wielding to amaze the natives
>no super powerful katanas that are powerful just because they are katanas
>japanese food is not amazing by default
>no ridiculous cafe that somehow manages to make a profit despite using top tier restaurant quality ingredients while selling at ridiculously low prices
>story arcs don't largely consist of the MC showing off "unintentionally" while girls get wet for him
>no "otome game villainess" plots where none of the characters are interesting and it's just about the MC living the luxurious life of a noble
>also no plots where the MC gets "banished" but still somehow manages to live a comfortable life as a "commoner" with zero issues and 10/10 handsome men knocking on her door regularly

For some reason, the shitty isekai series gets updated often while the isekai that fits the above doesn't.

what redeeming qualities does cheat magi have?

>read isekai LN
>grow very attached to side character
>she'll never show up in an anime
>will never get high quality fan art of her

bros it wasn't meant to be like this, was it?

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just get isekai'd to that world yourself

What's your opinion on The Rising of The Shieldbro?

>There's no such thing as hard limit in reality
Neck yourself I'm sure you'll be fine your neck will just stretch indefinitely.

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Oh no, i haven't read or watched ICM, i just felt like saying that. You know how people say X should get Y'd! and someone retorts with Your Z should get Y'd.

retard

MC too troubled to fuck his harem needs to die, seriously.
Proper kingdom building needs more exploring: it usually done shittily, it can even be on a lower scale like first chapters of Nonbiri Nouka just don't devolve into festival/MA tournament arcs.

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I love this spider.

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>i haven't read or watched ICM
you lucky fucking bastard
I'm not even mad

>overbore
>telling others to neck themselves
I understand why you believe in arbitrary hard limits, because there's definitely a hard limit on the amount of new novels you're going to get from maruyama lul

Is Goblin Slayer a soft isekai?

For most of the series, it felt like the villains were being over the top edgy for a ridiculously contrived reason (hurr i hate shield because shield likes demi-humans!).

It didnt help that the other heroes were deliberately written to be huge assholes and retards.

As a whole, almost everyone in the series feels like they were meant to represent the author's bullies from highschool. This isnt a good thing.

i only make this when i'm in this thread. i added more.

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>Accepting that you're lv1 fodder for the slaughter is exactly the kind of genre subversion isekai needs.
I’ll have two number 9 sufferings, a number 9 large tragedy, a number 6 cheating with extra NTR, a number 7 betrayal, two number 45s imprisonmentt, one with torture, and a large despair.

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No, it's a fantasy story.

No, it's shitty litRPG #45369870

>god, I want some old-fashioned fantasy anime again
And you'll never get it again retard because it requires too much investment in fleshing out setting and characters for comfy self-inserting, compared to cupped ramen isekai.
Get on with the times granpa.

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SEASON 2 NEVEREVER

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Even if I got isekaied into the setting, how the hell am I going to win my waifu's heart? Seems like I'd just get eaten or tortured to death.

More than likely, I'd just get isekaied as an level 1 slave and get raped by fat ugly bastards.

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It usually is either of those two
>God needs MC for a mission
>God fucked up and compensating for his faults
OPM did it right make MC fights short and hilarious, make side character fights protracted, gritty and epic.

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For me, it's gotta be Rem hair.

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>Van the Toothbrush Sharer
>elitist
Figures.

>intricacies of high society and people cleverly navigating them.
There's nothing complex about politics, it's just various groups protecting their interests.
Don't post that stolen art shit fanfic, are you retarded?

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>Most Isekai fights are not good so it's better to just have main character own his opponent in 2 or 3 paragraphs then get back to world building and character development

Imagine having all the power in the world and dedicating it to humilliating your enemies in hilarious ways

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>not fantasizing about being saved by your waifu/husbando right before you fall into the suffering event horizon
Get on my level, pleb

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