>introduced as being extremely creepy/evil and tries to seriously kill the MC
>actually turns out to be a chill person and great guy who aids the MC
What is it with Jojo and this trope? Speedwagon, Stroheim, almost everyone in part 4, and pic related are just the tip of the iceberg
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stroheim was never friends with joseph, he just didn't want the world to end so he helped him
Because that's how it goes IRL. For example, Raffaele Cutolo could be a chill guy, fond of poetry and art, but on the other side he was a ruthless murderer.
If somebody has bad intentions, they're not going to be up front about them, so anything that appears to be bad on the surface, isn't really.
Here's a better question:
After Narancia died, if Giorno (who swapped bodies with Narancia at the time) was able to heal the wounds of the corpse, allowing Giorno's soul to swap back into his original body and leaving Narancia's body as the corpse, then why didn't they do that for Polnareff? They went back to the Colosseum, presumably Giorno could have fixed the wounds of Polnareff's dead body (even making some functional legs for him), and by the same mechanism, Polnareff's soul should have been able to slip back into his empty body somehow
Why the hell did Polnareff choose to live his life as a turtle?? Did he want to have people carry him for the rest of his life and shit on the floor? It pisses me off
Turtles are a lot more long-lived
>Speedwagon
He starts off as a seemingly bad person but Jonathan's bravery enlightened him so he decided to become a better person.
He grew up on the bad side of Victorian England so he had to become a thief to find success.
>Stroheim
See :
>Kakyoin
>Polnareff
They were possessed.
>Okuyasu
He's dumb and was following his bro's orders but he still had good intentions like saving his dad. Keicho was killing people not him.
>Hazamada
He got his lesson and acted friendly towards Koichi after his fight so they assumed he was good.
>Hazamada
He got his lesson.
>Rohan
The duwang gang taught him how to become a better person. It took time for him to get along with Josuke and the others besides Koichi and Reimi.
>Yukako
Koichi fell for her
Characters from part 4 seem to forgive people after they got beaten up most of the time. (Josuke went too far with Miyamoto)
>Bruno
He was trying to intimidate Giorno a little bit, he was just following the orders and thought Giogio was a murderer.
Part 4 constantly doing that seriously killed my enjoyment. There are multiple characters who tried to kill main characters for no reason.
>Yes I think they should kill dumb teenagers
Only people that died in Part 4 deserved it
Cringe
>and thought Giogio was a murderer
but he is
Let's count how many people Giorno killed directly or indirectly:
>Leaky-Eye Luca
>Polpo
>Melone
>Ghiacchio
>Cioccolata
>Diavolo
He assisted in a lot of other kills, too.
It's actually a shonen trope, not just Jojo. Enemy to friend is like a shonen staple, it's just Araki makes it more exaggerated and weird. It's actually stopped when Jojo went seinen, except for Wekapipo and maybe Joshu.
They don't have to kill them. The writing just has to be less retarded.
Your question is literally the same as asking 'Why doesn't a ghost just possess their own dead body'. Giorno wasn't dead and could enter his body fine, Narancia died and his soul moved on. Polnareff stuck around but is a ghost, his body is dead beyond repair even if Giorno got to it now.
Because araki love horror movies
Can we all agree that Awakening Three Leaves is the best post Part 5 Stand, in terms of originality?
>lol arrows
No
Reminder that Part 7 = combination of the two weakest JoJo parts (1+3) = better than both of them. Part 8 = combination of two of the three best JoJo parts (2+4, the other one being 7) = is weaker than both of them.
There is nothing 2 or 4 does better than 8.
There is nothing 8 does better than 2 or 4.
>the two weakest JoJo parts
>(1+3)
Opinion invalidated
>Part 3
>weakest
lmao not even close
1 is always going to be the worst followed by 6
fuck Part 6 and larpers who pretend it's not shit
1 is better than 6
You know what you are right, Part 6 is outright awful while 1 is just kinda boring and unoriginal
Lmao why does everyone ignore that giorno technically killed a gang member, then stole their bag with money in it?
because Leaky Eye Luca was a piece of shit.
Everyone Giorno kills is a piece of shit.
missing the point
>What are you gonna do when you get out of jail
>I'm in Heaven
>Simple catchy rhythm.
>1981
I could've swore this song was a lot newer
It's called retcon, OP.
I would agree, but he went to his funeral, and did the whole JOOOJOOOOOOOOO scream
>He starts off as a seemingly bad person but Jonathan's bravery enlightened him so he decided to become a better person.
>He grew up on the bad side of Victorian England so he had to become a thief to find success.
I know everyone loves Speedwagon, but he's introduced as a guy who was going to mutilate some rich dude with his gang of scumbags who changes his mind because Johnathan kicked him a certain way and was nice, then this makes him full homo for the guy and somehow all traces of his scumbaggery just vanish like he was never a guy who tried to eviscerate someone with a hat because they were there. He's all over the place.
Didn’t Miyamoto attack Josuke’s mom?
the Vegeta effect
While we're here, Shigechi's death is the most fucked up and horrifying death in all of JoJo, let alone Part 4
to be honest fuck rich people anyways
>There's no beginning and there is no end
>Time isn't present in that dimension
Stardust Crusaders is the biggest filler arc in an anime, I'd watch Phantom Blood over that any day, although in a shcking twist I really don't like Johnathan, him and his dad were so fucking stupid they deserved to have Dio wrck their lives. There's a fucking line separating honorable and fucking gullible moron and they were both way past it.
There are many worse ones.
>filler arc
fun character moments and fights>plot progression
Eh, Shigechi was a kid frightened out of his mind, desperate to warn his friends and family, in his final moments he screams for the friend who didn't even hear him die. Can only imagine how scared the little guy was.
>'Why doesn't a ghost just possess their own dead body'.
That’s basically what Giorno did.
to have character moments you need characters, and part 3 only has soulless husks (save for polnareff and joseph)
like 30 episodes of it takes the piss a little bit.
>He's all over the place.
That was two places.
>Stardust Crusaders is the biggest filler arc in an anime
The absolute state of jojo threads
Actual question, what did Polpo actually do wrong? He probably thought Giorno would make a great addition to his crew as he managed to pass his test, however he was betrayed by him and was not able to live his quiet life inside his jail cell.
>what did Polpo actually do wrong?
Nothing
every other Part has less memorable character interaction aside from 4
3 is full of based stuff like fake Kakyoin, the toilet pig, Avdol pissing, Hol Horse every time he appears.
hell Part 5 doesn't even have any moments like these, you get Abacchio's piss tea and then you get Narancia thinking Giorno is molesting Mista, that's it. Aside from that it's nothing but fighting front to back.
Avdol was a way better character than Polnareff, who almost fucks everything up every other episode by being a retard. It's a shame that Magician's Red is such a boring fucking stand, they managed to make a stand able to melt bullets in mid air boring somehow so props for that.
>what did Polpo actually do wrong?
Got an innocent bystander killed.
Chances are if his initiations only killed people who were auditioning for the gang, Giorno wouldn't have cared.
Outside of being a creep and trapping her with Enigma, he left her completely unharmed. I not saying that Miyamoto did nothing wrong, but he didn’t deserve the Angelo treatment when he didn’t do anymore harm than the average rando stand user
Imagine actually believing this
Watching the double parter with the mother of the Hanged Man guy almost made me bail on the show, it was like nails on a chalkboard.
>Got an innocent bystander killed.
That was Giorno
So you have shit taste.
I think bucciarati is the most jarring of all of them though. He's literally like a completely different person after the first episode he appears in
O MY WHIRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
>rohan has the attempted murder of koichi and okuyasu under his belt
>gets beaten and hospitalized
>enigma boy kidnaps but ultimately doesn't harm josuke's mom
>fate worse than death
If preferring Part 4/5 to 3 is shit taste so be it. Kira alone is better than Part 3.
Reminder that Rohan molests Koichi every night and gets away with it.
Justice did not get proper justice
>talk shit
>spin the wheel to determine the degree to which you get hit
How is she alive
She isn’t.
...
I love how Bucciarati's entire recruitment process boils down to "find homeless kids and give them superpowers"
he's got his own brainwashing restaurant and everything
>=I'll just bring the susceptible into the mafia and make them my soldiers
No wonder they kept turning to Giorno, he actually valued their lives.
But he didn't ?
Hol Horse was cheated out of this because Araki got cold feet at the last second cause he was too similar to Polnareff. He had the set up and everything, but Araki dropped the ball.
Best lad was cheated
Then why did he give him a new arm?
Giorno should've become a zombie after that.
Hol Horse was a partner in crime with a serial rapist who raped one of the main character's sister. No way he'd join the crew anyhow.
>take off the hat
>show flesh bud
It's that easy.
>What is it with Jojo and this trope
It's an old battle shounen thing. Otokojuku for example, probably the biggest inspiration for jojo after Hokuto no Ken, and Kinnikuman, the first battle shounen, do that for literally every character.
giorno just hate fat people
>Awakening Three Leaves is the best post Part 5 Stand
No, that's Catch the Rainbow
>HEAVEN’S DOOR
>writes “I have to let Rohan smell my feet every night” in Koichi
The Stand itself is boring and only overrated because Blackmore has a cool design
What the Fuck?
>jojo
>writing
AraKI FoRgOT
>stroheim was never friends with joseph
They had extreme respect towards one another. Joseph actually teared up when Stroheim blew himself up, and Stroheim helped Joseph recover even though he had literally no reason to after Kars was defeated. Stroheim was the closest thing to a second JoBro after Caesar died.
>He's literally like a completely different person after the first episode he appears in
He's also way smarter with his powers in his introduction, like hiding himself in people, which he never does again later.
>Annasui gets introduced as a creepy yandere psychopath
>becomes the main comedy act right after his debut fight
Part 3 needed less fights and more interaction. Kakoyinh only interacted a few times with Jojo. Avdol with Polnareff and Old Joseph. Iggy with only polnareff. I want more moments like Jotaro saying that he will not take the same flight as his grampa or the polnareff/kaykoyin salute. I think because of the few moments like thoses is way Polnareff is usually the favourite character of that arc (also because he was one of the few character of the group that got character development)
Kakyoin and Avdol are non characters, same with Iggy for most of his screen time
Actually, Giorno killing Polpo due to let innocent citiziens being killed and letting Koichi and Bruno being alive due to be “nice person” were the only time it shows some characterizacion from him. Then he became just “I HAVE A DREAM” and the reason why Mista and Bruno steals the show even if the three have the same screentime
>DUDE WE HAVE THIS NEW CHARACTER IN THE CREW, HE’S VERY POWERFUL
>Only appears in like 3 fights, winning just one
Part 3 has a pretty decent amount of character interaction compared to other parts.
Nah it was Polpo. Giorno knew nothing about Black Sabbath and Black Sabbath should have been made to attack only auditioning members or kept away from the general public if it could not be. But Polpo didn't care about the casualties, so it wasn't.
Remember when in the Giorno vs Bruno, Giornio have the power to make the opponent feel everything slower? Me neither
True, but 3 have 6 MC, while 4 only have 4 MC and 2 have 3 MC. From such a large number I expected more. Specially from characters like Jotaro that have funnily edgy and have strong one liners
>or kept away from the general public if it could not be.
It's almost as if though Polpo told Giorno to take the lighter to his room and wait quietly.
He still has to transport the lighter to his room and in doing so, it could have gone out at any given time of the day for any number of reasons. It's not like Giorno can teleport.
Part 5 haters are so fucking stupid I can't believe this.
So what? Black Sabbath doesn't attack people when the lighter goes out. It attacks people when the lighter is LIT. Obviously if the light goes out while you're walking home, you would wait until you got back to relight it.
>Part 5 haters are so fucking stupid I can't believe this.
Why are you automatically assuming that I'm a "hater" just because I pointed out a single flaw in one arc? Do you have a persecution complex?
Blame Koichi for that
Giorno didn't have to hide from Koichi.
That's a general problem in 5, the beginning was like a whole different(better) show.
>Add best character from 4 in the beggining of the new arc
>Forget about him a few chapter lates
Why?
Maybe he have to? Because he stole his wallet? And maybe Koichi would try to kick his ass due to that and, therefore, the lighter would lose the fire?
Just give him his wallet back then? Whatever happened to the "I can tell that you're a good person" shit from earlier?
>But Polpo didn't care about the casualties, so it wasn't.
user, Polpo doesn't even know what the fuck is going on, Black Sabbath is automatic and tied to the lighter. The janitor's death was an accident. Banana gun funnies aside, Polpo should not have been taken out of the picture so quickly. He was more of an interesting mafia boss than that retard Diavolo.
>Actual question, what did Polpo actually do wrong?
He's literally a murdering, drug-dealing gangster.
I believe user meant, what did Polpo actually do wrong relative to the protagonists of the story
>Steals
>”Haha you punched me but you’re a good person because you didn’t kicked me. Anyways how’s the day going?”
>Polpo doesn't even know what the fuck is going on
He knows what his stand does, yet he obviously doesnt care about civilians possibly getting killed by it.
Haha just like Gironio
He gives people specific instructions to prevent innocent people from getting involved with the test. It's not his fault if someone wants to cheat.
actually you're wrong Anasui was introduced as a fucking woman
god Part 6 is terrible
This is so soulfull.
Reminder Avdol and Joseph almost died and Iggy didn't care
reminder
Giorno could only move his soul because SCR was active
I believe that user meant, what polpo did wrong is irrelevant because early Giorno was much more brutal.
Kira wasn’t in part 5
when they're the reason he's in Egypt in the first place do you blame him?
OG Gold Experience was too OP.
>Foo Fighters
>Girl
Part 5 was just Giorno, Bruno, Mista, and a little bit of narnancia
Okuyasu is even more useless than Kak, which makes it amazing how likeable he is
>Great stand
>Pretty of screen time
>Almost always useless in battles
HOW?!
Are you sure about that?
>fugo stabbing narancia with a fork
>mista feeding the pistols
>abbachio and giorno fighting during man in the mirror
>narancia and mista chasing frogs
>bruno reassuring trish
>narancia and mista fighting over chocolate
>all of the body swap stuff
>turtle polnareff's first appearance
This isn't even counting some of the villain interactions
tfw butthurt part 5 fag
They beat up and kidnapped iggy, obviously he would hate them
>trope
This word needs to be incinerated.
I'm surprised between your post and the other one that the torture dance wasn't mentioned, or does that fall under villain interactions
I think that's villain interaction, but the torture dance is definitely one of the most memorable scenes in this series
Diavolo isn't dead
Doesn't mean he wasn't killed
How is it more original than paper moon king's
Trash opinion
Part shitters are garbage
I find it funny how you chose to reply to that post out of all of the partshitting in this thread.
Joseph literally mentions him not being there.
To me, what makes Part 3's crew feel better than 5's is that it was a crew that formed through the course of the story. When we see those interactions between the characters, we are seeing them form bonds with each other. In Part 5, all of the interactions are between Bruno's gang, who met each other and became friends before the story started.
He was pushing the drugs that Giorno wanted to stop. He was in the way of Buccarati and Giorno's goal of changing the system.
Polpo wasn't in charge of the drug team.
sounds like every shounen ever
I agree, that's one of the saddest deaths in JoJo. I don't get why anime-only normies dislike him so much/didn't care when he died. He was either some of us at one point or we knew someone like that growing up. A bratty kid with a lot of growing up to do, but lots of potential and deep down a heart of gold that wants everyone who cares for him to be safe. Killed in an instant, mercilessly, just like that.
eh no?
anyone 7su in here?
Mista and Giorno forged a genuine bond. Bruno and Giorno too
But like the other guy said, you don't see it outside of fights. Giorno wasn't a part of those moments like the torture dance or the mealtime conversations that Bruno's gang had with each other.
everyone did
maybe because he's not a goofball like mista narancia and fugo? Did you ever consider that?
Do you know what we're talking about in this conversation or are you just jumping in randomly without reading it?
Mista opens a window for him
But people die when they're killed.
Red CHADland here
1 ED any song from Jamiroquai. Second ED Stairway to Heaven, don't care about the budget.
Looks gay
The only ED for Part 6
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Araki's favorite trope.
Egypt itself is great (I still think Joseph should have died), the antagonist is already developed and established, is an actual threat to the team and moves at a decent pace. The middle of the part is just boring fights against enemies who have no weight to them, either in tension or emotion from being developed. Maybe fewer tarot cards, but that was probably not going to be possible to stay on theme.
Other parts also have a slog fight train to get to the end, but they're often fine because there's something more with characters going on, most of SC cast is static after joining the party. Jotaro's personality type is also boring as fuck for me. Joseph stole the show again.
part 3 had a comfy journey feeling
Dunno about that but it's definitely my favorite stand ability in all the series, should have been a main character's stand
