High School dxd

No.

Such great design just going to waste.

Imagine being cucked by your mom?

Why the question mark?

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Rias still the ultimate cuckqueen, constantly getting cucked by her best friend, peerage & even her mother

Could Ravel turn a bath into a hot tub and Shower into a Sauna?

>her mother
Not her mom, that's never gonna happen
Probably

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I love my wife Rias.

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Very saggy tits.

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Hero Ravel is super cute.

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Let it go, she's not coming back, also a bitch

*Ravel is super cute
ftfy

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That would make the series ten times worse.
Usually when authors write a social, enthusiastic person who loves everyone, they are tempted to make everyone else just Good On The Inside (tm) easily won-over stray dogs.
Issei is a rare character: an idealist who was actually confronted with significant philosophical opposition and had to grow to deal with the fact that some people are just assholes who like hurting him.

Exactly
Which is why putting literally everyone in the harem like some people want is bad

If Issei loved literally everyone, with no regard to morality, I wouldn't be able to respect him. I don't want him to become a battered husband, or the other girls the sort of people who would ignore abuse of the man they love.
The harem isn't just physical, in practice it's always had an emotional element. And with emotional affection comes selectivity and standards.
That's not a bad thing.

Issei is pretty submissive towards his future wives though

Yes, because that's the kind of person he is. (And because they're pretty awesome, in a way that Raynare will never be.) But there's a distinction between 'guy who prefers to let his spouses handle the heavy thinking stuff' and 'guy who accepts the unacceptable'. The first personality is natural, the second is forced and broken.
There are plenty of dogs who are total blissed-out cloudheads in everyday life but can fight to the death if threatened. Issei reminds of them, and I don't mean that in a derogatory way.

leave off, she can't help it that the love of her life is also a complete slut

I'm not saying that Issei should accept Raynare, far from it
But Issei isn't just laid back, he's literally submissive, he's actually dominated by his wives, at least this is what EX said
And it's pretty good in any case it's pretty cool to have a perverted guy that actually wants a harem yet is submissive towards the girls

If you believe for even one second that DxD, or Issei for that matter, are that deep then you're fucking deluded. DxD is literally just a series of one-note characters, with the villains being especially awful.

Kokabiel - paint-by-numbers "I'm bad because I believe my race is the best" villain, one of the first fallen angels to ever exist, gets punked out by some loser chuuni that happened to be super special because he's the great-great-great grandchild of the original Lucifer and has a ultra powerful mega dragon sealed inside him. Never seen or heard from again.

Loki - wanted to end the world just because. Also loses to a bunch of teenagers in high school despite being a god. His fight sets into motion of one the cringiest things about DxD, the existence of other worlds and the "Chichigami". Will never been seen again, same as Kokabiel.

Rizevim - literally just evil because he's bored and because he's a weak shitter of a devil that can't compare to Sirzechs or Ajuka despite technically also being a Super Devil. Entertaining, not actually a deep character. Grandfather to the aforementioned loser chuuni, is also a loser chuuni. Somehow manages to be the most successful villain.

All of the Evil Dragons - they're literally called EVIL dragons, and just because they like to fight a lot and are "brutal", except for Crom because he's a "good" Evil Dragon and not one of the bad guys like Nidhogg, Grendel, or any of the other jobbers.

Hero Faction - had potential to be something of note as an all-human group, all potential went out the window when Cao Cao was revealed to be Vali 2.0 and stopped caring about destroying "monsters" like devils, fallen angels, dragons, etc and instead just wanted to have really good fights. Also they're all good guys now, because of course they are.

Hades - supreme fuckwit that tried to create Super Devils, accidentally made two that are stronger than he is despite being set up to be the "final boss" for this last arc of DxD. Complete non-threat of an existence in a story where gods regularly get stomped out by children. Hates other religions because other religions = bad, religion that worships me = good.

There are several I'm not even going to bother with, such as Nyx (literal joke villain that had supremacy over virgins), the vampires (puppets for Rizevim), or Raynare's group of losers (the only person to have anything resembling an actual character here was Raynare).

The protagonists, Issei in particular, are almost as bad, only being saved by the fact that they have more time to air out what few traits they actually have before being shuffled into the background so the author can introduce more new characters he doesn't know what to do with. DxD is probably one of the shallowest light novel series I have ever read, beaten out by the likes of actual garbage like Arifureta.

Fair enough.

I STILL don't get why his name is EX

The only thing you should take from DxD is this:
>be no talent loser who watches way too much porn
>forever alone
>workout, fight, get shredded as fuck
>bitches everywhere

>>workout, fight, get shredded as fuck
And have magic dragon soul+gauntlet

It's more like:
>be forever alone virgin
>no hope to be anything other than another Japanese salaryman
>born rich
>nothing else matters because lol born rich
With money subbing in for Sacred Gears. Boosted Gear in and of itself is fucking stupid because, unless you intend on writing an overpowered character from the start, it literally can't work unless your character is weaker (and dumber) than a dog.

>conveniently ignoring villains that don't fit
Raynare was a great villain as well as Freed
Riser was a great villain
Kokabiel wanted war, he didn't believe fallen were the best, be believed they could have won
Vali is hardly one note and another great villain
Then you have Sona and Sairaorg that while not actually villains are still great when they were the final boss of their respective books
Diodora was nice, Kuroka started as a villain and was scary as shit
The entire old Maou faction was really good for as long as they lasted but they appeared during a massive power creep period
Ophis was a really cool twist on a cliched archetype
You really need the fundamental part of having the power of a legendary dragon inside you and meeting girls who can appreciate said power
Personally I wouldn't have done things too much differently from Issei except trying to experiment with the boosted gear and nearly die early on, then get Rias fussing over me doing dumb shit
According to how the boosted gear works your body collapses from energy overload if you use it without being able to sustain the energy from it
Because it's really heavily inspired from F/SN so that's how it works and this allows for constant growth
It's not about intelligence and strength, unless the boosted gear can boost conceptual properties and then you can just cheat and Issei is indeed dumb

Rias is secretly a compassionfag who's desperate for friends, she would've saved Issei even if he didn't have the Gear.
(Although then, I guess, Raynare wouldn't have hunted him in the first place.)

Yep. Personally, I'm fine with some antagonists being grey/white/redeemed. It's when they ALL are, solely to shill the protagonist, that I start tapping out.
Even Jesus wasn't liked by everyone.

>Raynare
I literally said that she was the only thing resembling a character in her entire group of fallen angels. She should have survived for longer than she did, instead of just existing as "trauma" for the pissant protagonist.
>Freed
"I like to kill things" isn't at all compelling. Maybe if he existed to elaborate on the Church's experiments in creating a proper descendant of Sigurd and how such things made him the batshit individual he was but nope, he was always crazy and never believed in religion, he just stuck with the Church because they literally created him and he got to kill things.
>Riser
Wasn't even that much of a villain. He wanted to marry the woman he was promised because he believed it to be his right and, legally (presumably), it WAS. Ultimately, was just a stuck-up snob that got his shit rocked and became another good guy. Rias doesn't even seem to bear him any grudge despite their history.
>Kokabiel
He thought Azazel was weak for pulling out of the Great War early and thought they could have pushed on and won because the fallen angels are the strongest race. He said it during his stupid monologue that all villains have to go through. It's a disgrace that the "God is dead" revelation went to this jobber.
>Sona
>Sairaorg
Not villains and never painted as such. "Rivals" is a much better designation.
>Diodora
Relatively decent. He ruined an entire girl's life just because he really wanted to fuck her, which was motivated by the fact that he REALLY likes fucking nuns until they break. Dies when the "real" villain of Shalba Beelzebub arrives. Shalba also gets blown the fuck out instantly before that volume is even over, only survives so he can come back and get destroyed for a second time.

>Kuroka
Was let off the hook far too easily. Killing her master because he was going to experiment on her little sister - fair. Abandoning said little sister and causing her psychological problems until she stopped showing emotions altogether - bad. Abandoning said little sister to be executed for older sister's crimes - bad. Joining a terrorist organization - bad. Does it matter? No. Because she has big tits, so why should it matter if you scar your siblings emotionally?
>The entire old Maou faction was really good for as long as they lasted but they appeared during a massive power creep period
The entire Old Satan Faction literally never mattered. Katarea shows up halfway through a volume and then dies to Azazel. Creuserey gets shit on by Sirzechs despite being powered up by Ophis, treated as a throwaway antagonist. Shalba, destroyed by Juggernaut Drive. Rizevim and Vali (was Vali even part of the Old Satan Faction beyond the fact that they were both in the Khaos Brigade?) were the only ones to matter and it feels like the entire faction was made just to introduce those two characters.
>Ophis
I actually like her because she's a cute loli dragon god.

As for the Boosted Gear's limitations and whether or not it can boost "concepts", who the fuck knows? Ishibumi certainly doesn't, considering he never elaborates on it or anything else related to how DxD's magic actually WORKS. He explained demonic power as just "imagination + power" and that doesn't fly with me, I'm sorry. It's fucking stupid.

>she was the only thing resembling a character
Not OP, but; "This example doesn't count as an example because I say so" isn't a compelling argument.
Truly evil characters can be rare in a setting, that doesn't mean they don't exist or that they're somehow grey because everyone else is.

no Sacred Gear -> no interest from Grigori -> Azazel doesn't give a shit about him -> Raynare never kills him -> Issei becomes a salaryman and probably winds up on some sex offender registry before 30

>fucking deluded
>I'm sorry
?

I'm not saying it doesn't count though? I'm saying the exact opposite - that she counts but was wasted, and the rest of her group might as well have no existed and they should have had their minor roles all compressed into Raynare's.

I think that even though her screentime was short, she had a lasting impact on the narrative and how we are supposed to view Issei's character.

Really, it all comes down to the fact that there are too many characters. Thirty thousand factions, mythologies, pantheons, and organizations that Ishibumi has to fill with characters and that would be fine if they weren't actually relevant individuals but when you have gods and the like jobbing out to high school retards then there's nowhere you can go from there. There's no reason to ever take any character seriously, villain or otherwise. Rizevim was the last semi-threatening villain because he succeeded in his goals several times and, in a way, won by unleashing Trihexa. Of course, that didn't matter because Trihexa just got sealed again by the faction leaders, not to mention the fact that there's an entire other world with a final boss that would make Great Red, Trihexa, and Ophis all look like shitters, but whatever. He died believing he ended the entire world and that's something.

That's what I loved about Issei. He was thrown into a group of weird badass vampire-servants, and instead of moralfagging or trying to destabilize them to become Hokage, he went "That's awesome and you guys are awesome, now let's start working through your tragic shonen backstories."
A lot of supposedly compassionate protagonists never show any interest in or appreciation of the people around them. Issei bucked that trend.

Part of the problem was that her impact wasn't pronounced. She gets brought up suddenly during v10 as the reason why Issei is such a pussy when it comes to anything related to women, because he's afraid of being tricked again, and then that issue resolves itself. It's never mentioned again, as if trauma is so easily resolved. If Issei's brain problems could be fixed by everyone having a group hug and saying "No, we really DO care about you" then they never should have manifested in the first place.

I have no issue with irredeemable villains. If anything, I prefer them. Things shouldn't end with the group of protagonists just growing infinitely large because the main lead is the greatest, nicest, kindest man to have ever existed in the cosmos. I want the villains that are supposed to have a lasting purpose actually have some character to them, instead of being a caricature of what "bad people" are supposed to be.

You have a point. Entire settings revolving around one totally clear, all-important hierarchy don't really make sense, but settings that are just a fancy game of rock-paper-scissors aren't that much better.

"Oh, okay then. Then I got no beef with you."

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Yeah Rias is really sweet despite trying to act tough
Not all of them are, but if they aren't they eventually get killed/imprisoned
Remember Grendel? He wasn't redeemed and eventually was imprisoned
>Raynare
She died because V1 was weird as fuck
Ishibumi used to be a horror writer and it shows, V1 reads like a low budget horror film with a bunch of nudity thrown in for extra fun
Rias kills all her enemies with zero qualms, both Issei and Asia die, it used to be dark as fuck, then it changed starting from V2
>Freed
He was fun because he was ruthless enough to not give a fuck and he didn't want to fight either, he's a holy crusader that went fucking insane
>Riser
Was 100% a villain and Rias and Riser while they don't hate each other still bring their history up
Like in the BorN OVA and in Shin V2 when during the oppai dragon play Riser acts unnecessarily cruel to Issei and Rias is clearly not acting and just fueling her old displeasure
>Kokabiel
He wasn't bad, he was unfortunately just used to set up Vali
>Rivals
They're still pretty good
>Diodora
Exactly, he's really fucking twisted and really a great character
>Kuroka
Well she meant well in a way, and yeah as I said the series changed post V1 so Ishibumi didn't kill her off like he did with Raynare, and Kuroka was never evil
>Old Maou faction
Stepping stones for the power to creep to happen, they were really good in concept but the execution was weak, which is a recurring theme in this series
>Ophis
You like dragon lolis? Now you get 2 dragon lolis! Rejoice
Issei couldn't exist without the boosted gear
It was explained in V20, or at least I think it was V20
Basically his parents had 2 stillborn kids so his dad prayed a lot for a kid and a miracle happened, they had a kid and he was able to be born because of boosted gear

Oh absolutely, Issei is simpler type of good guy, mostly because by not being a mouthpiece for the author, he just does what he thinks is right, and doesn't angst too much
And when he does it usually goes from extremely reasonable
>my first gf murdered me in cold blood
To slightly less reasonable but still kind of a reason
>I have an inferiority complex because I broke my dad's fishing pole that one time
You misunderstand Issei, his issues aren't complex psychological problems, his issues are, as I said above, his inferiority complex and his dreams of grandeur which are at odds with each other
But his inferiority complex is weird, meaning that since he knows he's stupid, he thinks that if someone else tells him something he'll readily change his mind about something
Meaning he believed women were out to hurt him, then some women told him it's not true and since he thinks he's stupid and everyone else is smarter than him he started thinking women weren't out to hurt him
He needed outside help because that's how Issei works

Freed admitted that he never gave a damn about the Church or God, just the idea of killing things. When he decided that joining up with the fallen angels would let him kill more things with less restrictions, he bailed on the Church immediately.

Riser was an antagonist, not a villain. He was portrayed far more sinister in the adaptation than he was in the light novel. In the former, he's flat-out about to kill Issei during the Rating Game as some sort of macabre punishment directed towards Rias. In the latter, he acknowledges that Issei has an absurd growth rate and that intends on nurturing that once he's married Rias since it would look good for his wife to have a strong peerage. He was never out-and-out evil, or even remotely villainous. He was a spoiled brat that demanded the wife he was promised without a care for what she wanted, yes, but that's not evil, that's just him being a shithead. And his entire mindset flips back to being a good person when he gets his skull knocked around anyway.

Kokabiel was awful, straight up terrible for what he should have been. One of the original leaders of Grigori, literally an existence created by the Biblical God to watch over human beings. He should have been strong, at least as strong as Baraqiel, and instead we got some war-obsessed jobber that looks more like a demon than the devils in DxD do. Kokabiel exists for a single light novel and in that time he managed to completely remove the idea that the fallen angels could ever be any real threat to any faction at all. If this guy, who somehow managed to live during the Great War despite being a horrifically weak fuck, is in a top position at Grigori then who can they ever hope to win against? How were they not just utterly obliterated during the war?

Good intentions or bad intentions are irrelevant in these circumstances. Kuroka never got her due for ruining Koneko's life, even if that was due to actions she took to make sure Koneko's life was saved. There's no point to saving your sister from medical experimentation if the government decides to kill your sister as retaliation for you murdering someone else. None of this even mentions the fact that Kuroka that the best course of action after all this was to try and kidnap her sister, even threatening to kill Rias and Issei, two people she's formed close emotional attachments to, if Koneko refused to come willingly.

And, personally, I don't care for Lilith all that much. Feels like she's just a side-grade of Ophis. I'd have preferred just Ophis herself instead of Ophis and Ophis 1.5.

Rate your top 5 DxDs

>Freed
Didn't join the fallen because he chose it, he was excommunicated, because he was fucking nuts
>Riser
Yeah, the anime made him look evil as fuck, and he acted evil, but in the LN he was still bad
Forcing a girl to marry you against her will, and pushing for the wedding date to be as soon as possible because you want to fuck her as soon as possible, and then when she keeps refusing challenging said girl to a competition she had no experience in while you're an up and coming star definitely counts as evil, even if the law is on your side
>Kokabiel
He was strong, don't forget that curbstomped everyone until Vali showed up
Vali is a stupidly powerful devil with hax dragon powers, and he was already considered the strongest white dragon wielder ever in V3
And during the Great War power levels were a lot lower, Sirzechs is said to be 10 times more powerful than the original Lucifer the longinius wielders were less people and a lot less powerful
Remember Riser, that was defeated already was supposed to be one of the strongest devils, mostly because he just doesn't go down unless you abuse rpg weaknesses
The number of ultimate class devils is really low anyway and surviving the war doesn't mean you're stronger than those who dies, otherwise Kokabiel is stronger than God
Kuroka appearing as evil was pretty much just bad writing, the reader is supposed to see her as Koneko's evil sister, until it's revealed that the conspiracy theory that were posted on devilchan were actually true and Kuroka was framed and it was all a cover up, despite the plot holes
But she's a horny catgirl who wanted to save her little sister from a rich pedophile that worships Lucifer

I can't believe Rossweisse is raping her students

She's drunk, it was actually Issei that was raping her

1. Rias
2. Akeno
3. Koneko
4. Xenovia
5. Ophis

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Alright
1. Rias
2. Akeno
3.rossweisse
4. Yasaka
5. Xenovia
If roygun had a design she'd be on the list

1.Akeno
2.Ross
3.Xenovia
4.Le Fay
5.Asia

1 Rias
2 Akeno
3 Yasaka
4 Grayfia
5 Kuroka

now that's a list I can get behind

Yeah better than mine actually

1. Rias
2. Akeno
3. Xenovia
4. Rossweiss
5. Irina

How do you resist this semen demon?

By remembering there are more fish in this sea of demons and fallen angels