Continuation of >>192279975

It's still cartoonishly evil.
Why would you even bother with worms when the All Fiction Reality Marble route is right there?

What about isekaing as Tiger before Zero

>Matoi Shinji
Why did you do this. user?

Interesting.
You could probably try and get into contact with Kerry and tell him about the corruption and limitations of the grail, and what awaits him at the end of his path.

What'd be the fastest way to get into Kiritsugu's pants then?

Engineer a situation wherein fucking you saves someone's life.

>Kerry
>not going after Waver
Iskandar even tries setting the two up.

Cultivate Qi.
Ascend to godhood.
Bang all the bitches.

People greatly overestimate the whole All-Fiction RM. With how much it does influence the World, the strain and cost of it would be immense. It wouldn't surprise me if you could sustain a couple UBWs with what you'd need for that RM to work for a fleeting moment. It could be sustained for mere seconds and have a low number of charges you can use to erase effects or material items at best, hell, even a single charge.
For outside effects you could probably negate some minor damage but anything that would blow your limb off would still do it nonetheless.

On top of that Shirou had both his origin and affinity of "sword", so it burdened him less to use UBW. Even if Shinjianon origin was overwritten by whichever his user soul had, his affinity for magecraft would still be that of Matou's.

He was living in a castle in Russia that's impossible to find unless they want you to find it. Plus he's a hired gun who knows how to erase his steps. There's no way in hell you're going to get in contact with him.

Actually, both your element and origin are from the soul.
user's soul might have "Reality" or "Fiction" as their element and origin due to it's upperdimensional existence.

If having Avalon stuck up your ass can change both, swapping your soul out would do the same shit.

I stand corrected then. Okay, it would be easier, but still that's a hell of RM to sustain.
I wouldn't be surprised if even old papa Zel got interested in such an isekai'd existence to try and probe your ass with a jewel sword to see what the hell used something akin to 2nd magic to get your ass here.

Everyone would want to know what the fuck you are.
Your Reality Marble would effectively be so bullshit it by itself could be classed as an unofficial True Magic.

If you went off the rails with it, you'd make the Shadow look like a fucking joke.
You could probably do impossible shit like heal unhealable wounds, too.
You could also probably bring a dead body back to life, but it likely wouldn't have a soul.

You could probably think of a way.

how hard would it be to save Illya before she summons Berserker?

Well the only way would be to get Kerry healed.
The only way you could do that is by trying to perfect your reality marble in like 3 years before he dies. Unlikely.

However you could theoretically inform him about Gray, who he could both save from being sacrificed and use her to save himself by having her jumpstart Avalon (she can use Rhongobongo after all).
Then Kerry gets to live and successfully save Illya (curse was only reason he couldn't). He also gets to adopt a daughter with a Saberface, ironically.

>Cured Kerry
>Gray
>Illya
>Shirou
>Saber
What a clusterfuck of a faction.
It might be an idea to keep Gray far far away from Saber though.

I wonder what Archer would think upon seeing the Emiya household like this at the start of the fifth war.

>Archer meeting Kiritsugu again
On second thought, this might be bad.
I have no idea how Archer would react to him.

What the fuck is this route, that’s what

He still looks up to him.

we're radically changing everything if Kiritsugu lives and making a new route holy shit. Could Kerry kill Zouken?

Would he still try and kill Shirou?

Unless you did something about that, then yes, most likely.

That's kind of a nuisance.
Though honestly, if Kerry never dies, he never inspires Shirou to attempt to become a Hero on the night before his death.
Shirou would still try to save people when he could but he likely wouldn't ever go full Seigi no Mikata.

So this is Shirou's route. You fix most of his problems then bro it up and become a duo of seigi no mikata and go on jolly adventures of fucking up sandniggers.

>could Kerry kill Zouken
Sadly probably not. Zouken is way too tough to put down. Kerry might think of a way though.

Oh also, with a living Kerry, I imagine Sakura would be forbidden from
Interacting with Shirou.

Shirou is autistic enough that he'd probably try following in his step on his own, though.

Maybe, but he'd be stopped before he got to do something too autistic.

what a fucking asshole, saved Shinji/(You) saved his life now he doesn't want his kid to be around Sakura

but i want a harem and to give Sakura a good life

No, Kerry wouldn't forbid it.
Zouken would forbid Sakura.
Why the fuck would he want to risk fucking with a recovered Magus Killer?

could you snitch on Zouken and get Waver to send someone to put him down? Kinda risky but would put down the biggest risk you'd be facing

Possibly, but he's too difficult for most magi to put down.

great point, with that being said, i'm pretty sure you wouldn't be able to hangout at the Emiya household then out of fear that Zouken would have Kerry on his ass

Why does this template garbage keep getting posted?

Yeah, you'd have to keep your interactions with Shirou confined to school.
Actually, Illya would also be sent to school too.
Probably with her excuse for looking like she does being a medical condition.
Gray too would be sent I imagine.

Kerry's house just turned into an orphanage

Okay but what'd be the most effective way to pamper Sakura? And how ingrained would the main worm be in her body? Maybe if we research Zouken's magecraft deep enough we might be able to completely remove the main worm from her and make her a valuable pawn for controlling Shirou.

It's an interesting idea, unless you meant something else if so I'm sorry.

Kerry as in Kiritsugi or am I missing something? I don't see Zouken caring if we fuck about with Shirou, Sakura on the other hand is another thing. I feel we could still introduce them to each other while covering her ass by saying
>She went to a friend's house!
It would all depend on her not tattling on us

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It's spam.

Let's be frank.

Nothing. You don't have magic! You can't use anything like that. The best thing you can do is: Not sexually abuse Sakura, and help Shirou out where possible.

That's it. You're a bit character in your own life.

>Okay but what'd be the most effective way to pamper Sakura?

Just be nice to her, thats it. You're underestimating how easy it is for Sakura to become codependent with someone, Shirou didn't even try and she became obsessed with him.

>and make her a valuable pawn for controlling Shirou.

You're also underestimating how much of a doormat Shirou is. Shinji and Shirou became friends because people were taking advantage of Shirou and Shinji would stop it, they only stopped being friends because Shinji hit Sakura in front of Shirou and Shirou kicked his ass for doing that

Yeah, Kerry as in Kiritsugu.
Basically plan goes
>"Hey Old Man, want to save your daughter? Well there's a girl in an English Village being prepared to act as a vessel to summon King Arthur at the cost of her own soul, she's probably able to jumpstart that Noble Phantasm you shoved into Shirou that saved him from dying of the fire and curses, you should be able to make a full recovery."
>Kiritsugu kidnaps/adopts Gray
>Jumpstarted Avalon fixes him
>travels to Germany, breaks into Einzbern Castle and saves Illya.
>probably bombs them too

Kerry is Kiritsugu, its just a nickname

>spam
>anons wanted to continue discussion in a seperate thread
>two anons made new threads at once by accident and allowed one to die
Fuck off autist.

Sakura is really easy to get to fall for you if you just do the smallest things for her and Shirou is the easiest guy to get along with in the world, basically.

I mean sure, but I mean manipulating Shirou to the point he'd risk his life even if he didn't know why he'd be doing it. I feel planting ideas on his head through Sakura would be pretty nasty and at the same time a good day to truly become the shadow puppeteer the whole time. None but Sakura is wise to our ways.
>inb4 Zouken finds about us and instead of killing us, he feels proud of our dickery

Shirou would risk his life if you told him the only way to save an innocent child was to jump in front of a bus.
It's not really worth putting that much effort into manipulating him.

Shirou would already risk his life to protect you. Your over complicating things, Shirou is extremely easy to take advantage of

honestly, the only person that it would be worth manipulating is Rin

The Matou blood is making user do retardedly evil shit for no reason, obviously.

Filter it then.

Why even bother manipulating Rin if you could actually give making her fall for you a good shot?

>mfw slowly becoming Shinji
ohnonono

in case she doesn't wanna teach you or Shirou magic which desu, she probably will because she'll feel deeply indebted to you from the get go. How do you make Rin fall for you though?

High Jumps.

But I doubt we can surpass Shirou's max score, we'd be considered the jumplets!

Rin is attracted to good-natured people with autism.
I would imagine user would aspire to be a good person and they do have a large quantity of autism bolstered by being Isekai'd with metaknowledge.
Also possibly a Reality Marble because Alien Common Sense.
We have a head start on Shirou, we need to get /fit/ and learn a martial art while we try to figure out magic

actually, thinking about it, i don't know if you can get both Sakura and Rin, pretty sure Sakura would try to kill her if she thinks that Rin is trying to steal (You) away from her

I feel it all depends on what we tell Sakura for a head-start. Like I'd try and convince Sakura to help me get in bed with Taiga beforehand, so she'd already know and there wouldn't be any misunderstandings, and that's another reason why I'd push her as Shirou's love interest apart from me loving the ship I'd rather not deal with a ticking bomb at my side when I already have a shitton of things that need to be attended to and god forbid I forget when do which events happen.

You could possibly manage to tone down Sakura's yandere tendencies if you save her.
Obviously, saving her is a convoluted plan that might end with your death though.

Your obsession with waifuing Taiga is unhealthy.
Why do you want Taiga so much?

Replace Taiga with whichever waifu you want and it'd be the same thing, and even Rin could be a viable choice if you offer in return a chance to ride on Shirou's dick. All just to throw the entirety of HF on Shirou's shoulder so I have enough room to breath and plan if shit gets too out of hand.
But yeah, I want to impregnate Taiga SO HARD it's not even fun. It's unhealthy man but she's my crack and I can't JUST STOP

As a Saberbro, i'm required to make sure Shirou and Saber get together. Also you have like 10 years to get everything together, thats a long time

Based.
The problem with not having Sakura fall for (You) is that the only way to accomplish that is to act like a Shinji-tier cunt to her.

yeah and if you do that, you're changing nothing and losing out on getting any of your waifus

Can we get a compromise and let Shirou just have both? I mean Saber is gonna fizzle after the holy war anyways.
Not really, she'd be extremely endeared to us and we'd be one of the few people she actively gives a shit about meanwhile Shirou would be able to be our shield if we end up going full Heaven's Feel because goddamn. Hell, being one of the few she can cry to about all the shit that's going on and being the only one who can shield her so she can just spend an entire day or two in the Emiya household actually being able to have a normal family day must count for SOMETHING.

the compromise is that Shirou gets a waifu

>Saber is gonna fizzle after the holy grail war
Just set her up with a decent master.
Illya comes to mind, because god damn it I'm going to try my best to save her.
Why do we want Shirou to act as our shield.
He's a sword.
They make bad shields.

Heaven's Feel is pathetically easy to bullshit your way around if you know what you're doing.
Just get Caster before Kuzuki, tell her enough for her to fix shit and that's all the problems Zouken and Angra could cause dealt with.

If the Caster plan fails, just tell Archer to stop being such a nihilistic cockmongling faggot and use Rule Breaker to help Sakura.

If you don't make Sakura love you, by extension, you can't get Rider.

why don't we just get Archer to save Sakura for us then? Feels like thats less chancy

Because Archer is a fucking faggot, fuck him.

>Chancing on Archer
This IS Fate/Stay Night we are talking about

guilt trip him by saying he failed to save Sakura in his lifetime, get Rin to make him, you have a lot on him, it seems hard for him to say no

>guilt trip
>Archer
The guy is a dickhead and is especially vague even when he could be perfectly clear about everything and save everyone from dying.

Ok, so how would you go about individually getting
>Sakura
>Rin
>Saber
>Rider
>Caster
>Taiga
>Illya
>Luvia
to fall for you?
How do you go about getting all of them to fall for you at the same time?
How do you survive the fallout from doing something so unbelievably dangerous?

Get in touch with Zelretch and make a deal with him for knowledge of an outer world/being an outer world being.

Why do you possibly think that would go well?

>Sakura
Be nice to her
>Rin
Be nice to Sakura so you get a chance to be friends with her, take it from there
>Saber
Be as autistic as Shirou
>Rider
Be nice to Sakura
>Caster
Prove that you're super loyal
>Taiga
idfk, be edgy like Kerry?
>Illya
Save her from the Einzbern mansion and tell her about Kerry and Iri
>Luvia
i have no idea

>How do you survive the fallout from doing something so unbelievably dangerous?
i don't wanna die user

I actually don't but I also feel lt's a lot better then any other option as likely wormgramps drags you back if you run if only because there is some possibility of your use.

Jesus that Illya goal is kind of ambitious.
How are you gonna save her?
Hope you get cheat powers?

hope to god that i get that Reality Marble

You must attempt to develop a reality marble under WormGramps nose with the explicit goal to erase him from existence with it.
It's your only way.

>Saber
Impossible, my autism is incompatible with hers.
Also she's Shirou's.

Can I turn myself into a girl and become Shirou's waifu?

Can we like actually help Zouken pursued whatever he's aiming for? I mean can we get to his good side, learning every magecraft from him so we can get his trust enough that he won't be suspicious if we betrayed him at the last second while learning any knowledge he can passed to us?

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Zouken doesn't give a shit about Shinji unless Shinji suddenly develops circuits or a Reality Marble.
He'd probably even consider tossing Shinji's mother into a worm pit a small mistake.

Why can't I just run away and start a new life with Sakura?

she still has a worm in her that will kill her

Ok how do I get rid of the worm.

That's why I said try to get on his good side. It's not going to be easy but it's achievable, I mean it's all about communication.
Keep closing to him until he get annoyed by you so maybe in a good luck chance that he either send you away to another country or maybe killed you. Or, maybe seeing how interested we're in magecraft gave him some idea to throw us in of whatever he's planning.
Zouken doesn't give a shit about Shinji because as a child Shinji already scared of him and doesn't even want anything to do with Zouken, if we can change that, there will be another possibility, a change of direction out of the current canon.

My real question is that why were all of you try playing things safe by actually avoiding every big bad factors of problem. I never see even one post trying to jump in to the main core of a problem with an actual different approach. Like how will you guys even change anything if you won't even take a risk or any sacrifice?

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yeah your gonna need a top tier magus or a servant to do that for you

>trying to get a reality marble that can erase shit
>trying to get to gray

Can we add a stipulation that excludes these from the thread.