Is Sakura a well-written character?

More interesting than her sister, at least

Yes. And if anything she is the ultimate self-insert for used up whores in the real world. She got tons of depth, drama, and duality.

plot device at best but it's anime so she's ok in my book, can't ask for too much in this medium
objectively the well written character in hf would be shinji out of all people

A realistic abuse victim.
Extremely helpless in front of her abuses, takes the first kind person who helped her and develops a borderline obsessive attraction and goes on a power trip against the people who wronged her the moment she can.

>throwing everything you've been working so hard for away to save a whore
Heaven's Feel is every roastie's wet dream.

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accurate analogy

She would've been without that big ass PITY ME sign. Nasu really dropped ball on her character and used cheap tricks to make people like her.

Yes.

She is the best written of the three heroines. I prefer kohaku of tsukihime though

Walking talking plot device. She has no character.

Worse Kohaku, but still written well as a victim and does everything you'd expect of one. Can't say she's my favorite heroine though. She's kinda boring.

>headcanon

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>It's tight
Case in point.

Nothing about fateshit can be described as well-written.

On the flip side, though, according to Hollow/Ataraxia she's perfectly okay six months later, her emotional issues basically disappearing the moment her external stressors are solved. That's not how trauma works, though I guess I can explain that away by thinking that her past will catch up to her eventually and that this is just a temporary remission/second wind. It's not unheard of for people to feel okay and normal for a short time after escaping a traumatic period of time, thankful that their problems are over, only for it to gradually fade away as time passes.

The fact that she's so perfectly normal and seemingly balanced around Shirou also doesn't feel quite right to me. Yes, it's said that she's gloomy around everyone else, and it does count for quite a lot. Nobody I've ever known who suffers from trauma issues or is going through the severe kind of stress that Sakura is going through, though, is as consistently pleasant as Sakura is around Shirou and Taiga. No moments of irritability, few pensive moments, no off days where she isn't as genki and chipper as usual. It strains believability for me and makes her feel plastic.

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Sakura a shit. HF should have been an Ilya route.

I like saber more but sakura is better written as a character than saber (and rin). Not that any of the three heroines are badly written

I think she's written fine but she's not written in a way that makes her likeable.

While her writing has some flaws, she is one of the best written FSN characters,

What kind of flaws do you have in mind?

>shirou is a dicklet
No shit.

She is the best written out of the three heroines, and I say that as a saberfag

It's Fate. What do you expect?

Whether she's well-written is beside the point. The point is that she's a shit and non-engaging character.

She is engaging to me and to many people, so stop proyecting.

Not bad as much as her hates make it out to be but still she has her development problems

>>throwing everything you've been working so hard for away to save a whore
Lol what did shirou do up until this point in his life? He only had his ideals at this point. He can have new ideals as much as he wants to

Don't waste your time with haters (Rinfags)

What is so bad for feeling pity for a pitiful girl like her? She is realistic enough to feel something for her at least

A tragic heroine who became victim of the worse circonstances but still isn’t portrayed as absolutely innocent from her actions when she finally tries to take back control of her life through the most extreme methods. Definitely the most nuanced and most fun heroine out of the main three.

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Not him, but the writing is blatantly biased against her at times, such as setting her up to be struggling with a guilt complex and fear of fighting back, only for the story to then vilify her when she gains the resolve to deny responsibility and strike back at her abusers who pushed it on her.

Dark Sakura was good character development that got undone solely because of Nasu's Rin boner. Freeing her from Angra Mainyu's influence is all fine and well, but there was no reason to make her blame herself for how Rin treated her.

Well it is not like any other character is actually better and well developed. It is just sakura had a boring character which is unable to conceal her weak points unlike the cases with the routes of Rin And Saber's where they do shit in their own routes.
Nasu is a shit writer but he can think about interesting concepts. He just failed more with Sakura compared to other girls.

I was out but I was basically going to reply the same shit.

>circonstances
Unsurprising coming from someone who actually believes "nuance" could be found in the capeshit of Japan.

All in all people expect heroine to do more and shine more. Sakura stayed low at home and became the antagonist afterwards which wasn't what the waifufags wanted to see so she's got haters.
She is not badly written but unfortunately not written to be well liked/idolized either.
She is well written than Rin for example but suffers from the low profile especially among dominant like Rin and Illya.

Still she is well written as compared to the other characters that a shit author like Nasu manufactured. She is just less worse.

>She is well written than
Sakura is about as well-written as this post.

Did I hurt your feelings Rinfag?
Your waifu does infodump or moves plot by acting as checkpoint. Not well developed than Sakura for sure.

I don't have a dog in your waifu wars, my dear illiterate friend, I'm just here to remind you that everything about fateshit is trash.

I agree. And this is development as well. I would have it too. I'm a breast lover.

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And you waste time here.

I am trying to put the user's subtitles in the BDRip but it doesn't work (I am doing CTRL+L and selecting the user's subs), but it shows the shitty normal subs instead
Does someone know if I am doing something wrong?

Yes, I'm generously making use of the seconds it takes me to compose an insulting post to educate you ignorant, tasteless mongoloids. You should be thankful for this reprimand.

No, but she has amazing tits.

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And she's still a growing girl, too! Imagine what adult Sakura's body must be like... oh wait, we don't have to imagine anymore.

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Yes, she's an excellent character. Not an excellent girl, but an excellent character.

But kama isn't adult Sakura in that form. Just slightly older.

Nigga, you've seen them titties?

Quintessential Victim Sue straight out of a Harry Potter fanfic. Story is blatantly biased in her favor, she warps the entire plot around herself, she has an extremely bland "blank slate" personality for people to project their desires onto, BUT if you point all of this out, wormcucks will swarm you and attack you for daring to criticize a rape victim who has suffered SOOO much.

That's BB

>Story is blatantly biased in her favor
Yeah, that's why a heroic-sounding instrumental of the opening plays when her sister tries to murder her, right?

And does Rin ever get to?

No, not really. She's a plot device and SUFFERING sue more than anything else. Gives Guts a fucking run for his money having that much SUFFERING.

White knights and beta orbiters fucking flock to her defense, though.

>Story is blatantly biased in her favor
If anything, the narration is biased against her.
>she warps the entire plot around herself
God forbid she be important in her own route. (I wonder if you're a Rinfag seething that she's less important than Archer in her own route and that her best development comes in Sakura's)
>she has an extremely bland "blank slate" personality for people to project their desires onto
She's shy, sweet, loving, horny, and a little yandere. Not to mention Dark Sakura, who is as far from a bland blank slate as you can get.

>If anything, the narration is biased against her.
Do you have anything support that?
>God forbid she be important in her own route
If only she were an interesting character.
>She's shy, sweet, loving, horny, and a little yandere.
That is pretty much any fucking shut-in ever.
>Not to mention Dark Sakura, who is as far from a bland blank slate as you can get.
lol, no. She's just a stereotypical world-ending villain doing it for the shits and giggles than vengeance or any other reason.

She gets to beat up Sakura and berate her for not having been taught basic magic lessons because Zouken preferred to rape her instead, say she doesn't give a shit about her suffering, then instantly gets forgiven and portrayed as caring about Sakura all along after one last-second hug despite repeatedly trying to kill her and turn Shirou against her, while Sakura gets treated as if she was selfish and evil for fighting back.

They have canonically the same exact body.

She's just there for people to feel sorry for.

>She's just a stereotypical world-ending villain doing it for the shits and giggles
You should really read the VN before shitposting.

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>Do you have anything support that?
See above. Also, the narration during her going-insane bits, where the narrator seems to delight in revealing every single bad thought she thinks, even though she doesn't act on them.
>If only she were an interesting character.
Sakura is about as deep and complex as it gets. Her hate is about as undeserved as Shirou's, and for much the same reason, i.e. people can't accept that a heavily traumatized individual is naturally going to be pretty messed up.
>That is pretty much any fucking shut-in ever.
dunno wtf shut-ins you know who are as good as Sakura
>lol, no. She's just a stereotypical world-ending villain doing it for the shits and giggles than vengeance or any other reason.
It is vengeance in a way, but the point remains that she's far from a blank slate to be projected onto.

Sakura was going to become a world-ending threat. She was already eating people like they were chicken-nuggets by the time Rin realizes what's going on. Rin's a bitch, I know. It's also why people like her.

Obvious samefag is obvious.

lol, and she tries to end the fucking world anyway.

>These people hold different opinions than me that are of the same opinion. IT MUST BE THE SAME PERSON.

That's you.

Sakura was going to sacrifice herself to save the world, as seen in .
>She was already eating people like they were chicken-nuggets
Not only was that Angra Mainyu and not Sakura, which Rin was aware of by that point thanks to Ilya (although she goes full retard and immediately forgets the infodump about it, just like you), but it had already stopped due to Sakura becoming Dark Sakura and gaining control over the shadow.
Because of Rin pointlessly agitating her and making Angra Mainyu corrupt her mind even more.

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>Sakura was going to sacrifice herself to save the world
And then she didn't.
>It was Angra
This fucking excuse again. In the end, it was all Sakura. It doesn't matter if she was under the influence, a pathetic victim, or feeling pressured, it was all her.

>And then she didn't.
And you can blame Rin for that.
>This fucking excuse again.
It's the truth, which you'd know if you had actually read the VN.

>In the end, it was all Sakura
No, cave Sakura is pretty much AM, if you take even five minutes longer with sparks liner high she doesn't even have a personality anymore.

>And you can blame Rin for that.
Rin or Sakura for hating the fact her sister had a point in that she was a fucking ticking bomb? This all just comes down to blame and we do so to each other's opposites. Unlike you, I hold people responsible for their own actions. I can see how Rin may have pushed Sakura towards being a bitch but I still blame the purple-haired mop for not having any strength of character.
>It's the truth, which you'd know if you had actually read the VN.
Kotomine called her out on her shit and she flipped.

inb4 the rinfag retard goes "s-she didn't have a personality in the first place"

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I wouldn't call eternally revenge raping her sister not having a personality but okay.

>not having any strength of character.
Trying to do good things when you're literally being corrupted by all evils of the world is pretty much the epitome of having it.
>Kotomine called her out on her shit and she flipped.
And of course it's a retard who doesn't understand the difference between the shadow and Dark Sakura.

>Nasu
>he

If you don't remember the ending, she's literally empty minded, with deader eyes and reacts to stimulus, like an animal.
It's the final stage of the corruption and it shows.

>Trying to do good things when you're literally being corrupted by all evils of the world is pretty much the epitome of having it.
Oh my god, you can't be this much of an idiot fanboying over a VN character. Angra Mainyu isn't even that, it's just a bunch of fuckin' curses.
>And of course it's a retard who doesn't understand the difference between the shadow and Dark Sakura.
Same. Fucking. Thing. There is no distinction. Both are Sakura when it comes down to it. Jesus Christ, do you become Drunk user when your dumbass decides to get drunk?

>Angra Mainyu isn't even that, it's just a bunch of fuckin' curses.
You haven't even read Fate, you absolute tertiary. Angra Mainyu and all evils of the world are literally synonymous in the VN, not to mention it's the Zoroastrian god of, you guessed it, all evil. Guess what the name of the Dark Sakura theme is, by the way?
>Same. Fucking. Thing. There is no distinction. Both are Sakura when it comes down to it.
Pic related.

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>You haven't even read Fate, you absolute tertiary. Angra Mainyu and all evils of the world are literally synonymous in the VN, not to mention it's the Zoroastrian god of, you guessed it, all evil.
And you haven't read Hollow Ataraxia.
They're both Sakura, conscious and uncouncious. Enough with the white knight faggotry.

Servant villager Angra Mainyu from the 3rd war and FHA=/=evil god Angra Mainyu in the grail from the 4th and 5th war, wiki reader.
>They're both Sakura, conscious and uncouncious.
Sakura being unconscious means it's not her that's in control. Note how it says "it" and not "her" about the shadow.

post the timeout macro
that one

THOT fantasy: The good men will just sit around and wait until I'm done riding the cock carousel and am over the wall! Also, whenever I want to stir up drama, he'll rush to my defense! It makes me so wet to watch men fight other people for me!
Sakura: I'll wait for the good man to notice me and then be his 10/10 wife. I'm being tortured and brainwashed with magic, but I must hold it together for him.

There's a superficial similarity in that the man fights for the woman, but circumstances matter. Sakura was forced to act on her dark urges. Yes, those were HER OWN dark urges, but she wasn't allowed the choice of saying no to them. If you don't recognize your own capacity for evil, you're probably a horrible person, because a strong moral base begins at recognizing your own human tendency to abuse, manipulate, exploit others for personal gain (not always monetary; could be something like emotional validation) and sadistic pleasure.

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>Describes Saber as tight and Rin as painfully tight so he just fucking JACKHAMMERS her.

Heaven’s Feel should be confirmation to everyone that Nasu is a woman

>Servant villager Angra Mainyu from the 3rd war and FHA=/=evil god Angra Mainyu in the grail from the 4th and 5th war, wiki reader.
They're the exact same, holy shit. Fuck off, Mike.

user, I agree that Sakura and the shadow are separate but you're pretty dumb for trying to claim Angra Mainyu in the grail and Angra Mainyu in FHA are different entities.

3rd war/FHA Angra is a weak as fuck regular villager, and Ilya outright explains that him returning to the grail after being defeated in the 3rd war changed him into the actual god of evil. Read the VN, not the wiki.
>Fuck off, Mike
Literally who?

There is no god of evil. The angra in the grail is nothing more than a flood of curses.
>Literally who?
Legendary white knight, champion of Sakura, and bane of Beast's Lair before he was banished for his waifu autism.

Long hair vastly improves h

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>"…Yes. The heroic spirit was merely human. A human that cursed the world. A human who everyone wanted to represent their evil. …So he had no power. He was merely constructed by the people around him.

>But everything reversed the instant he was taken in by the Holy Grail."

"The Holy Grail grants wishes. When defeated, Servants are reduced to raw magical energy and are taken in by the Holy Grail to await their release. They lose their individual personalities and stay in the Holy Grail as an omnipotent power. But Angra Manyu was different. He was a heroic spirit that others wished for. He was intended to be evil, regardless of his personality."

>"Yes. The Holy Grail grants every wish. He was a mere human, but wasn't treated as one. So he was an embodiment of people's wishes. So the instant Angra Manyu was taken in by the Holy Grail, the Holy Grail accepted a wish."
>"An existence that should not be. The heroic spirit constructed from people's selfish wishes was finally given flesh within the wish-granting Holy Grail.

>No matter what the previous Angra Manyu was, the Angra Manyu that formed inside the Holy Grail is real. It will become the greatest evil in the world, a devil that will kill every human being alive."
Also, all I'm hearing is that you're a cancerous forumfag crossboarder and that some random guy lives rent-free in your head. You sound incredibly butthurt, to be honest.

You're taking flowery exposition too literally. Angra's curses super charged by the grail are enough to destroy the world is all that's really being said here.
>all I'm hearing is that you're a cancerous forumfag crossboarder and that some random guy lives rent-free in your head
Anyone who's been a fate fag here long enough knows about Mike. There's tons of memes, newfag.

Didn't Mike make keep making sock puppets after Cherry_lover was banned?

If he did, I wouldn't know. There's been some mention of him here over the years but I haven't heard anything since then.

I love her

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That's literally Ilya (i.e. the grail) explaining the truth of Angra Mainyu. That infodump is the definitive explanation regarding the grail, Angra Mainyu, the shadow and Dark Sakura, no matter how butthurt the truth makes you.
>n-newfag!
Sorry, but the truth is just that people don't care about your obscure forum drama. All people hear is you seething about some Sakurafag who apparently destroyed you hard enough to become a permanent resident of your head.

Just because it explains the most about it doesn't mean Angra Mainyu is really some kind of super Zoroastrian devil. It's just a bunch of semi-sentient curses. The real Angra died in the third war.
>All people hear is you seething about some Sakurafag who apparently destroyed you hard enough to become a permanent resident of your head.
does this look familiar, mike?

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Thats actually fucking based

It was pretty hilarious. If only he weren't such a fag about Sakura.

>but there was no reason to make her blame herself for how Rin treated her
To this fucking day it makes me rage how shitty the resolution to Sakura's arc is. Hos anyone reaches that conclusion is beyond me, but what pisses me off is that Nasu had done a stellar job with her as a character up to that point-disregarding the biased narrator-but then that happened and it was pure shit. All this after Rin kept telling her to die the previous days, mocked her during the battle and didn't show an ounce of symapthy during her breakdown. Fuck, I'm getting mad. I hope Sudo fixes this shit.

>it doesn't mean Angra Mainyu is really some kind of super Zoroastrian devil.
It is, the moment it entered the grail it became everything it was hyped to be.

I am a sakurafag too, so fuck you

It was nothing but a swarm of curses and little to no sentience other than the urge to be born unto the world.
lol, seethe harder

Pretty sure Fall/Semester Mike=/=BL Mike, newfag.

So you can't trust AM when he himself tells you it's about the third most efficient thing in existence at killing humans? Because he's just behind
>your planet is now Mercury
and
>doggo with created with the sole purpouse of killing humans

He seems like a cool guy and Sakura is the best girl so fuck you.

>seethe
seethe for what?

may as well be the same person now
It's his curse that does that. Villager Angra can'y do shit and is literally nothingness.

Not him but do you even know what seethe means retard?
btw, sakura is best girl.

yes, he was overly pissed over his favorite wank thought

>You can't like a character I don't like
Are you 12 do you just have brain damage?

His issue wasn't that he liked Sakura, it was that he'd never shut the fuck up about her. There's a reason why he's memetic: he was absolutely insane about her. Could never accept any critism, sperged like a bitch every goddamn time someone posted bad about her, and finally got his dumbass banned when nepotism couldn't protect him anymore. It was horrifying and hilarious.

Don't forget about him sperging about Sakura in the threads completely unrelated to her. You couldn't talk about anything without Mike making it to be about his shitty waifu

Oh, I see, then explain that before
Anyways there is also a certain rinfag "recently" that uses cope a lot in his posts(who I hope its not you) that has simmilar or worse levels of autism than the guy you mention. If he sees someone make fun of rin (or even if no one does, seeing someone liking sakura can already trigger him) he starts seething and wormslutposting the entire thread, even if it isn't sakura related.
I hope you also condemn that as well and are not an hypocrite to defend that guy.

I didn't lurk back in those days but the stories were insane. Also, he wanted a happy ending for Sakura in every fanfic. It was fucking weird.

To be honest, it sounds more like you're the one who's obsessed.

Waifu fags, amirite? Yeah, fuck that user. Rin's obviously a bitch, albeit a likable one.

You're giving too much thought to the transition betwee SN and HA, I think they just wanted her to act like that, especially with Takeuchi saying they did something horrible to Sakura by associating her too much with worms.

People are different. Sakura is very pleasant with Shirou and Taiga because her sensitive topics are not touched upon, and when they are, her demeanor changes. People who go through heavy stress can change depending on their current environment and act essentially normally, like Sakura does in Shirou's house. Notice how when Shinji is brought up in the context of abuse she immediately becomes very defensive and gloomy: wanting Shirou to stay out of it. When there is even the slightest hint that Tohsaka will one up her again with Shirou she also gets incredibly depressed and talks cryptically, this happens three times that I remember: day 4 or so with the towels used to treat Shirou's wound from berserker, when Tohsaka calls Shirou's house and Sakura passes on the call, and when Sakura sees them together when she wanted to eat with Shirou.

Remember that Sakura knows Shirou is a shit mage from the start of the story, if he finds out too much about her, it's game over from her point of view, so she'll put extra effort into the facade. Plus, even if irritability is a common trait of stress, it can also manifest in other ways: the trauma clearly made Sakura meeker, and she's been shown to just accept the abuse at the start of the story, she doesn't feel like a person who's response would be irritability. The thing about being pensive sounds nitpicky, and we get plenty of non genki Sakura from day 10 onwards in my opinion.

I'm not the other guy but I also think Sakura is fantastic.

Well-written? No.

But she's not alone, a lot of the characters of the VN aren't necessarily that well-written.

No, but she is a well-educated prostitute intended for ton and TONS of magus cum to be dumped into her body.

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This post is correct, have a (You).

For me Rin is not likable because I both don't like tsunderes and I hate her HF persona, but I get that someone could like her. On the other hand I like Sakura since I like characters that have conflicting personalities and tragic backgrounds, and Shirou and Sakura relationship is my favourite relationship in fsn, and while I don't get the hate and I think its autistic waifufagging, but I can understand why people would dislike her.
I don't know why its always between rinfags and sakurafags. The rest of the fandom is practically in peace, besides maybe the luviafags making fun of rin, but its mostly banter. But we are always fighting each other like autists for 10 years. Shouldn't we just stop and enjoy the characters we like?

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After looking at posts by him there, I can say he was completely right. He raised valid points about works shitting on Sakura back in the day, only for cancerous Sakura haters to dogpile him with ad hominem just like you're doing right now. It's pretty obvious you're just one of those shitposters seething about him after all these years.

She is a well written worm slut

She is the best written heroine of the three, but while I love her character, I prefer saber a bit more as best girl

t. Mike.

She's literally the best-written Fate heroine.

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Is this the new !Akeml?

Well written? Sure.
Likable? It's a big divide.

I don't personally like Sakura. The "princess in distress" type is boring at best and disgusting at worst to me. I hate the "helpless victim" role in most shows unless they show some degree of autonomy. I can respect the way Sakura is written, her struggles are very clear and well pronounced, her development is smooth and understandable. That much is objectively true.

As a person though I despise her.

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>using a screencap from the resident Sakurafag schizo to prove your point

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That reminds me that when that rinfag lost his mind in the saber thread everyone started comparing him to ACK, the worst part is how accurate that comparaison was. Sadly our shitposter is not autistic enough to use a trip

He's not wrong though. So what now?

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I bet you didn't even read the screencap, retard

based kotomine poster

Weren't most old fanfics written by secondaries who treated her like just some generic yandere to kill off? I can see people who actually read the VN getting pissed off at out of character fanfics.

Does someone have better subs for the movie?

THe most appealing part of her is angra mainyu possessing her, so no

Based objective kotomine poster not letting his personal tastes get in the way of his analysis
He lost his mind in a recent sakura thread as well, in which he got completely btfo and started screeching about some discord and spamming wormslut

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I like Sakura best out of the Fate heroines and Arc best of the Tsuki heroines.
What does it say about me?

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Who else is going to be rolling for Parvati later this autumn??

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You have a thing for girls who might flip the fuck out and eat you.

Exquisite taste.

>Sakura instead of Ilya
Arc is indeed best tsuki, but your FSN taste could use an improvement

It says that you have patrician taste, user

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Lol no. Sakura a shit.

You are a man of culture, user

mentally ill: the poster

Why don't rinfags just let sakurafags post her in peace? Many sakurafags dislike rin yet they aren't trying to hate on her 24/7 in the threads, and when they do its in self defense after a rinfag already insulted their waifu. But rinfags are dedicated to hate their made up rival.

Here's the truth, wormshitter. No one likes your character. Not the Saberbros, not the Rinfags, not the Shirouchads, not the Illyabros, not the Kireifujos, not the Gilbros. No one likes her. She's garbage. We will keep organizing and raiding your safe spaces until you realize she's shit.

Because Rinfags know that their waifu is the worst girl

But I am a saberfag. Also you sound exactly as shitty as the rinfags I was describing, so thanks for proving my point

>No one likes your character
Here comes the ebin popularity poll posts which you will try to invalidate.
I don't even dislike rin, but you rinfags are the worst part of the fate fandom by hard, even gilkeks are better

>we r anonymoose we r leejun
Rinfags really are stuck in the 00s. By the way, good job admitting to anti-Sakura posting being organized raids, which are against the rules.

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>I think they just wanted her to act like that, especially with Takeuchi saying they did something horrible to Sakura by associating her too much with worms.

As in, I shouldn't take her characterization there too seriously because it's mostly a comedy? Sure, that works.

As for the rest. I don't know, user. It's subtle, so much so that it's difficult to put into words, but something just feels off about her characterization. Even taking the points you raise into consideration, even with some of the nuances Nasu accounted for, there's still a lack of volatility here that makes her feel plastic.

People that have gone through severe trauma or are currently going through extreme amounts of stress don't necessarily feel good so long as their sensitive topics aren't pushed. They often just feel bad in general. Third degree burns across their emotional skin. That line of reasoning would work if the situation in question was something infinitely milder, like if she was making bad grades in school or something, but for what she's going through and has gone through... not so much.

I recognize that people are different, and that people can be subtle in their expressions of pain, and all that. But there's subtlety that holds true to reality, and subtlety that is just unrealistically muted. "Hey guys, tadaima! Just got done being raped by a couple of thousand worms 20 minutes ago, but that isn't going to show in my demeanor in the absolute smallest of ways possible. Gonna go make some dinner."

I don't think the pensive thing is nitpicking. The characterization she receives from day 10 onwards is good (as is every part where Nasu goes into her emotionally damaged side), but what I take issue with is the stuff before that point. The past year or however many months they spend together.

(Continued)

Individuality only works as an argument up to a certain point. When you're going through the shit that Sakura is, there's going to be some days or at the absolute bare minimum some moments where you seem washed out and tired. If you spend time around someone going through a lot of stress and heartache, sure, they might be reserved with their feelings. They might try to put on a strong front. But there will be SOME cracks here and there if you spend a great deal of time with them day in and day out. There will be moments where they sigh, there will be days where they seem distracted and you can tell that something's bothering them. Especially if you're going through stuff that's as outright fucking sanity-shattering as what Sakura is going through.

I'm not denying the existence of individual responses or the fact that some people are good at hiding their feelings. If I remember right, though, Shirou's completely unaware that she's in any way depressed or stressed or that she has any worries in life whatsoever. And for this to not have shone through in ANY WAY WHATSOEVER despite spending months and months together day in and day out... the only explanation that could fully justify this would be what you said: that she puts an immense amount of effort into a very deliberate facade. That I could buy. What I can't buy is "Shirou and Taiga just make me so gosh darn happy that the insane amount of trauma that I've gone through since I was toddler-aged, along with the catastrophic amount of stress that I am going through in the present day, doesn't manifest itself in even the vaguest ways possible, and despite spending hours every day with them day in and day out, they are none the wiser to the fact that I face stress on a daily basis the likes of which could drive someone insane, and I've never had a single day the past year or two where I've seemed tired or worn out or anything except 100 percent fucking normal."

Imagine actually being this much in denial to think saberfags and luviafags don't tend to like sakura, some of them of course hate her. But the sakura hate is always 90% rinfag and the 10% other fatefags.
I guess those +11000 fanarts on pixiv aren't people too, according to your delusions. I guess TM keeps making sakura clones because no one likes her, they totally don't think about sales. Meanwhile your waifu got two clones.
Lastly, lets see the doujins they got from C91 to C96 in exhentai:
C91: rin 1, sakura 3
C92: rin 2 sakura 3
C93: rin 2, sakura 7
C94: rin 2, sakura 2
C95: rin 1, sakura 3
C96: rin 0, sakura 1
Total: rin 8, sakura 19
>B-but muh wormslut shilling!!
Thats not the point rinfag, what you are saying is that no one likes sakura.
>but you didn't count ishtar.
If you want to count clones it would be a complete massacre since melt, and specially bb are leagues above of the popularity of the rinclones, and kama also ranked just a bit below ishtar.
I honestly don't give two fucks about popularity, but since you care so much, I guess you should get a reality check of how things are outside of your deluded world.

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Internally well written but not likeable or engaging.

For normies anyway, I love Sakura!

You destroyed him, but rhinos deserve it

Seething dilator.

Why of course.

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Holy based

Isn't her element good for Celestial Bodies or Invokation? She could have joined an Animusphere branch family or the Phamrsolone s maybe.

>wet dream.
Would have make Medusa Perseus as the beginning and have him as the hero who saves her instead of some retarded ugly nip dude.

I don't like to engage in the silly war, but the Rin schizo deserved it.

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Well Sudo's Rin isn't an abusive bully but rather the hero that Sakura always thought she was (she even has a song about it). So it probably makes the situation feel more tasteful.

nyaa?

Bahahaha poor rincuck

youtubemultiplier.com/5d6093cf5c296-when-gilcucks-say-it-doesn-t-count-electric-boogal.php
Someone asked for it in other thread, so here you go.
Hopefully I can make a better version when the full fight gets uploading starting from where he gets his leg chomped

BASED

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Good lord

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Rinfags BTFO'd yesterday, rinfags BTFO'd today, and both times rinfags were the ones who started it. This is getting pathetic

>Admits the sakura hate are autist organizing raids.
The absolute state of rhinokeks. Ironically how you tend to headcanon the "sakura discord defense force" but in the end you were the ones organizing raids from your rinfag discord.

pathetic rinfag obliterated again lmao

>character revolves sex and death, the hallmarks of literature
yes

Imagine being one of the Ones carrying her to her Throne when she becomes Queen of Yea Forums next year

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Oh no rinbros we must call our disc*rd brothers to say wormslut a lot so maybe no one sees how obliterated we got!
nyaa.si/view/1169388
This is the rip I downloaded, but I am not able to add user's upgraded subs there through MPC

Thanks for the (You)s wormfags. Good job outing yourselves as the most pathetic fandom on Yea Forums. Every reply you give to this post I consider a personal victory too.

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>Jobs, posts gil and says it doesn't count

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>magically a bait sakura hate thread appears just after the rincuck got btfo
Yes, you surely just were pretending to be retarded. I admire your dedication though

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This is so pathetic. At least the faggot finally confessed these are cancerous raids so mods may finally do their job

I actually appreciate Sakura's boost in exposure since she's fucking hot (I actually picked up F/SN for her back in 2006), but she's fairly consistently been third place in F/SN heroine popularity until very recently, behind a large number of non-heroines. Cherrypicking metrics that support your point is just another form of dishonesty.

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Hey, I'm OP of the screencap made by .
I rarely post on Yea Forums despite frequently visiting the Fate threads but I remember posting this back in March because of shitposters who would get rid of any depth or agency Sakura actually has and the fact you accuse me of being some autistic Sakurafag boogeyman without actually reading the screencap really tells enough about you. I wouldn't be surprised if you were the same sperg who's been shitting up the recent threads with wormslutposting...

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No. She's the watered-down, mass-market version of a character who is already on the lower end of well-written.

Kohaku? I actually think that she'd be pretty popular if Tsukihime took off.

As I said in that post I don't give two fucks about x being more popular than y.
What that fag said is that no one likes sakura and I was proving him wrong, that was the entire post of that post. And while I am pretty sure sakura is far more popular in japan right now, even if she wasn't she would be barely away from rin.
Also I dont get how the doujins since 2016 (3 years ago, which is when sakura started to gain popularity) are cherrypicking.
I hope you are not talking about kohaku

*the entire point of that post

>but she's fairly consistently been third place in F/SN heroine popularity until very recently
She beat Rin in an old poll though.

Saber is the only one who hasn't lost to "non-heroines". Archer is more popular than Rin, for example.

The point that user was making is that she is popular, not that she is more popular than rin or saber.
Its like saying rikka from gridman isn't popular just because asuka from evangelion exists and is ten times more popular.
I think it should be obvious sakura is more popular than rin in japan right now though.

She shouldn't be more popular, though. Not in 2004. Not in 2005. Not in 2019. Not in 2040. Not in 3487. Not in ever. Sakura is such a horrible character that even if the character limit was two million I could never do justice to her awfulness. I hate Sakura Matou, and I hate anyone who doesn't. Fuck you.

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At this point I can't tell if this is someone falseflagging as a rinfag or this is serious.

100 percent serious. I wasn't always this vitriolic, but after 15 years of arguing with Sakuraniggers, my patience has run dry.

I'm sure you were around when the F/SN VN was new in Japan.

I am sorry to tell you you are mentally ill then.
Asuka also surpassed rei in popularity in these last years, like sakura with rin. Things change over time fag. If you like your tsundere to be on the number one spot go to the eva threads and stop crying.

I was. My older brother is bilingual and a huge weeb. He read the VN to me between May and August 2004.

And guess what? We both knew even back then, with zero influence from the fandom, that Rin was best girl with Saber a close second (and Taiga an equally close third).

Rin is a shitty tsundere with magus autism while sakura is a very interesting character and super cute.
You know the difference between us and rinfags? When someone says they like rin, we don't seethe and call her a slut like you autistic fucks always do, rinnigger

If you are such a schizo you can't handle people with a different opinion fuck off to some rin leddit safespace cuck

Its serious, you understimate the levels of mentall illness rinfags can reach

How come it's just the Rinfags who are mentally ill shitflingers?

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Do you think her worms wrap around Shirou's cock when they fuck? That probably feels amazing desu

I can't understand. That rinfag just said that people shouldn't like a character because he doesn't like it and doesn't even try to hide how hard is seething. Rinfags must be on the top 5 most mentally ill characterfags in Yea Forums, up there with ACK

What you call "magus autism" I call "intriguing character drama." Rin is at war with herself. She's a sweetheart with a heart of gold, but she has magus traditions to uphold and the memory of a stern father to honor. Now that is how you write a motherfucking multidimensional character.

Safe spaces sound good. Talking to Sakuraniggers makes me want to curl up into the fetal position and never come out of it.

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And what you call "wormslut" is a great character to me, nigger. So fuck off to r/rinwhatever like you should, because I dont want to have to deal with your mental illness in the thread

In HF BD1 Nasu says that Sakura is the only character he considers as deep and layered as Shirou.

No.

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Each post you write the most derranged you sound. Leave and go to leddit or to some discord shithole and stop crying about people liking what you don't like.

I don't know but you don't tend to see these levels of mental illness between sakurafags, saberfags or other characterfags, so I guess she actually has something that attracts them

Friendly reminder only waifufags like HF. There's nothing else in the route for anyone else.

I'd agree to that.
Doesn't mean I have to like her two-faced bullshit.
Recognizing Shirou's autism and then exploiting it for yourself should be a goddamn crime.
He's like the polar opposite of Sakura. He's actually pure.

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>can you keep up with me?

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Sure, that is why many saberfags prefer the route where she gets the worst ending over her own route

It's literally the least waifufag-pandering route, considering it dares to actually explore the negative sides of the heroine in detail and doesn't have shoehorned date scenes.

No wonder they're perfect for each other.

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Its ok you don't like sakura, we won't shit on someone for not liking sakura like certain characterfags do if you like her

I love taiga

cope harder

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>It's literally the least waifufag-pandering route
How am I supposed to take you seriously when you start with this? Come on, man. While there are some good themes going on with other characters it still completely revolves around Sakura. Also, any development Shirou gets is to save his waifu EXCLUSIVELY.

At least in other routes Shirou juggles his moral faggotry with more than one person.

>It's literally the least waifufag-pandering route,
That would be UBW. It still has romance but nowhere near as much as Fate and HF.

>I am retarded and didn't understand fsn and also fate zero

>shirou
>pure
Boys can never be pure. They always think with their dicks. Reminder that shirou fell in love with her because she gave him "sex", that's all their relationship is about.

Sakura should be trialed for all the homicide that she committed during HF.
Change my mind.

Who are you quoting?

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Sleepwalking homicides are not punished, and sakura was not only sleepwalking but getting possesed by the devil against her will

Shirou is not exactly innocent. He knew all about her and yet, he chose to ignore it.

"Doujins on exhentai" is an odd metric since most of them never get scanned and we have large repositories of fanart. Does Sakura more than double Rin's popularity in other metrics? Let's look at one that's better documented. Again, since 2016.

chan.sankakucomplex.com/?tags=matou_sakura date:>=01/01/2016&commit=Search
chan.sankakucomplex.com/?tags=tohsaka_rin date:>=01/01/2016&commit=Search

Anyways, I'm not trying to take a shit on Sakura. If you run that search for 1/1/2019, Sakura wins, albeit barely. And you have to take into account that her clones are basically more exotic and sexed up versions of her. You could point to the clones and make an argument that Sakura has been winning for a while. It just rubs me wrong when someone picks an odd metric that's totally out of line with the rest to support his stance.

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You mean four villains in self-defense? Fair, next.

She killed people and learned to enjoy it in the night that she killed Gil, that was her actual body
Shirou should be an accomplice in this case? Rin did try to kill her but she didn't so maybe Rin was an accomplice too
Not just Gil, Hassan, Lancer, Shinji and Zouken. She also killed like dozens of people who were sleeping in their houses too

The thing is that sankaku complex adds the west artists as well and rin is ridiculously more popular than sakura in the west and reaches saber levels of popularity

>Gil
>Lancer
>dozens of people
Wrong. That's Angra Mainyu. She did kill Kotomine too, however.

no that's the shadow of the grail from the grail inside her killing people, shes unconcious, zouken even says this when he talks to emiya in private

Also reminder to "sakura is useless" fags that shirou would have lost his final fight against kotomine and died

Would the Sakura-hate be less prevalent if she was more relevant in the other two routes?

If you think about it, both Saber and Rin play pretty large parts in every single route in the game. Even in HF where Saber is effectively gone, she manages to have a large impact on Shirou during the ending. Makes me wonder if most of the dislike for Sakura comes from the fact that she doesn't get much characterization outside of HF. What's worse is that Sakura gets treated as a one-note joke character in other Fate works like FHA, where she's essentially just an over-exaggerated caricature of "pure girl with a hidden murderous dark side" during her skits.

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Sakura's body was there when Gil tried to kill her hence the next day she was outside and wounded. That night she did kill some people I think.
>Kotomine
He had a basement full of dead orphans, it doesn't count actually
But it's kinda confusing since you don't know if the shadow is Sakura or not because Shirou always made sure Sakura stayed in her room before moving out

Yes, also if she was more of an action heroine like rin or saber.
She is perfect as she is, but she surely would appeal normalfags more since one of the most usual arguments from normalfags is that she is "useless"

Saberbro here, I just wanted to stop in and say that while Sakura isn't my favorite of the "main"
girls I do appreciate her as an extremely important role in the story, and in everyone else's life in the Fate universe
The last 25% or so of HF REALLY made me change my stance on her, I finally "got it" so to speak.
Keep on supporting your girl Sakurabros, I'm glad HF is getting a proper route and can't wait to see Part 3 and whatever the future holds for F/SN after that.
Saberbro out.

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Why would anyone hate someone for not getting screentime? That doesn't make sense. She might not have spent the majority of her existence as a footnote next to two heroines who are iconic on an industry-wide scale if she weren't a side character in everything that had received an anime adaptation until recently, though.

As long as every other word out of her mouth is "senpai", no. Though it sure would have helped.

Thanks saberbro, I love your girl a lot too

>I actually think that she'd be pretty popular if Tsukihime took off
Kohaku was never popular. Melty Blood MEME version of her is, which has absolutely NOTHING to do with the Tsukihime character aside of the design.

Blessed Saberbro

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i think it was the night she killed gil, when she realized she was actually doing the killing? in the interludes she says its a dream too, but when she finally gets pierced by GoB she realizes its real.

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What matters is that her body moved to kill people due to Angra Mainyu's instincts to kill others and feed itself, not due to her conscious decisions.

She was also completely unaware of her nightmares being real until Gilgamesh attacked her. After he knocked her out again and the shadow resurfaced, the shadow goes on a rampage with her being aware of it for the first time, but it's clear that she couldn't stop it from acting despite being aware of it. In fact, calling her aware at that point is a pretty huge stretch, since her body and mind were messed up to the point she thought she was five years old again the following morning.

Well yes, in HF, the reason of the drama is because both were suicidally trying to save each other without telling the other even if their brain had stopped working.

We sakurafriends also tend to love saber. Hopefully you get your fate remake some day

at the cost of heavens feel only having all hte action occur on the last 3 days

When she talks about being "a bad girl" this is what she means. She's aware of it. She's suppressing it and pretending to be ignorant but she knows.

And that's fine. A good book will gradually build up to a grand climax.

We don't have punishment for people who committed homicide unconsciously?
I mean, Sakura actually learned to enjoy killing at some points too

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>Recognizing Shirou's autism and then exploiting it for yourself should be a goddamn crime.
But she doesn't do that, or wants to do that. She sees what he's doing and wants to confront Zouken on her own, as she's fucking losing the sense of time and even her memories. He's not the only one who was breaking out before becoming Dark Sakura. She orders Rider to stay and protect him, forcing her with a command spell and drags herself to Matou mansion to confront Zouken despite feeling like shit as she fucking died a night ago and was not sleeping well. She does this because she wants to protect Shirou's "Purity" and doesn't want him to forsake things for her. It goes badly. But she tried to protect him. One of her thoughts while Shinji was brutallizing her was how Shirou would react if he found her after Shinji was done, she knew he would kill Shinji and this was one of the things that made her snap.

Bless you

>We don't have punishment for people who committed homicide unconsciously?
See Also, why are you posting a screenshot of Dark Sakura? She doesn't kill anyone but villains, and as Ilya points out, she became Dark Sakura to stop the shadow from killing more people.

Poor Sakura, even getting herself involved in IRL tax scandals from devious adults always around herself but to nobody's surprise career law enforcement would lean Sakurafag and not interfere with HF3's release

>rape survivor framed by a secret, corrupt society of occultic aristochrats
>monogamous, heterosexual breeding housekeeper
>very cute (this is very important)

they probably asked for a signed BD copy on the way out

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>we dont have punishment for people who commited homicide unconciously
Nope, in fact in another thread yesterday an user posted a list of sleepwalking homicides that were forgiven because said person was sleepwalking and not conscious.

She did say she wanted to see Shirou lost an arm or leg so he would stay in his home with her so there's that I guess

That was angra mainyuu already fucking up her mind, she herself was shocked seconds later about what she just said there.

>He's actually pure.
he's self-serving. the only reason why he helps others is because is the only way he feels satisfaction, when this doesn't bring him personal fulfillment anymore, he drops them to pursue his own personal happiness. that's fine because like shirou because he's not actually selfless, but completely selfish whose actions seem heroic but are really motivated by his own sense of hapiness rather than throwing away happiness for the sake of people as Saber and Kiritsugu had (and why Kotomine hated Kiristugu).

Completely useless in the ninja battles. Just stood there whole Naruto and Sasuke did everything.

There was a scene devoted to explaining beforehand that Zouken was lying to Shirou in order to turn him against Sakura. The movie cut Zouken's lie about the shadow being Sakura's id in order to make things clearer.

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>Nasu says that Sakura is the only character he considers as deep and layered as Shirou.
OTP.

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So that he wouldn't get eaten by Zouken's bugs like he would have been on day 8 if it weren't for her sending Rider to the temple.

More like the hidden dark side of her came out, we know Sakura actually admitted that she hated people like Zouken and Shinji and wanted to be selfish. Angry manjew or not Sakura does have a dark side within her, she's not completely innocent.

she's well written for what she is but i still don't like her desu

Ilya and Rin later explain that Angra Mainyu fuck with people's personality. She wanted to see him safe at home, so the mud tainted that desire into that, unconsciously (the unchecked id) which was why the Shadow later acted. Sakura is horrorified by that. The point is Sakura's the first one who wants to see Shirou's purity "protected." It's why she got into trouble and why she also hid her problems from him. Both of they tried to protect the other without telling shit to them. And this was taken advantage by Zouken.

Yeah I agree she definitely does, not trying to whitewash her, but in that exact moment she was probably influenced by manjew

I know this is a controversial topic among Fatefags, but anyone else prefer the Realta Nua blood-sucking scenes to the H-scenes?

People always recommend to new readers that if they're going to read the VN they should read HF with the H-scenes enabled. But honestly I don't really feel like they're better than what Realta Nua did to replace them. The blood sucking scenes feel a lot more intimate and fit the theme of Shirou accepting Sakura regardless of her faults, considering blood-sucking is a lot more unnatural than just having sex. I also hated how the H-scenes implied as if Shirou partially against his will while having sex with her due to the whole pheromone/love juices bullshit.

I think Sudou made a good compromise between the original VN and Realta Nua, and I probably prefer it more than either. But still, I don't see why people think HF should be read with the H-scenes outside of the fact that Realta Nua downplays Shinji's sexual abuse against Sakura.

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In what she's designed to do, yes.

Which is to break Shirou's mentality entirely

I can go either way. Blood and sperm are basic magic ingredients, naturally both represent life and will have mana in them and both make sense in context.

The option for Servants to kill humans in order to gain strength to make up for a weak master was always a thing too.

The only people who make fun of the "sex to restore magic power" concept are immature children who have never picked up a book before.

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somebody post the webm of her licking the blood

Imagine throwing away your very existence just to save some roastie who also happens to be a serial killer. Couldn't be me.

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Yea

Sex gives it more impact since it's not something you do with anyone.

so sakura made shinji dinner and helped around the house for fucking months before shit hit the fan right? why did he never make a move on her?

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That was ubw desu

my bad, confused the routes, still odd shinji never took a hint that she was into him

What? Shinji only treated Sakura like a sex pet and Sakura was never into him

talking about at the very begining before the war actually started

Shinji and Sakura lived together for years, user. 8 years.

Shinji abused her way earlier than that

Sakura just felt pity for shinji, she is into shirou in every route

fuck I'm an actual mongoloid guys sorry

so shirou had help from her for quite a while, even taiga picked up on it that she was into him, and yet shirou either didn't notice or didn't care

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I'd say it's Shirou or Kotomine. But relative to his actual screentime Shinji is very well developed and also exhibited subtly. Nasu did a fantastic job with him, honestly. He's deplorable, pitiable and someone one can hang out with or oppose both.

mordred is best fate girl

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Yeah, because you're phoneposting cancer.

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Shirou has a crush on her but doesn't want to act on it because it's Japanese culture

>and yet shirou either didn't notice or didn't care
Shirou isn't the kind of person who has any interest in romance. He also has no hobbies aside from cooking, cleaning, and self-improvement.
His idea revolves around "everyone is more important than me" as a base.
He's literally only capable of romance if it benefits the other person.

The exception to this is Taiga. Shirou thinks about killing Rin on the spot when she endangers Taiga in the UBW route just to keep her safe.

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>spoiler
damn didn't realize shirou could be that based

If you put Shirou on the spot he will absolutely kill a person in cold blood.

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Wait, in which scenario did Rin endangered Taiga?

Phoneposters > Sakuraturds
Get fucked.

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For FSN: Sakura
For Kara no Kyoukai: Shiki
For Mahoyo: Aoko
For Tsukihime: Arc/Akiha (Red hair)

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I wish I could find the screencap. My fate folder used to be small enough that I could whip out screenshots of my time reading the VN easily, but years past and now there's thousands of images. Gunna find it sometime soon but it's during when Caster invades the estate and keeps Taiga hostage. Rin is about to do something sneaky and Shirou's thoughts are narrated like "If Rin makes any sudden movements, I will _____ Rin." The screen flickers and the word isn't shown, just a black solid box but it's clear what that box represents. He'll stop Rin even if it means killing her.

UBW where Medea came to Shirou's house and took Taiga as a hostage.

I think it's fujino but in a lesser scale.

Fuck off back to r/eddit, or twitter already. Jesus.

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>"Okay. Bye Shinji."
Gets me everytime.

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Are the gold eyes a reference to Emiya Alter?

No

Shirou already has gold eyes.

Reminds me of amakusa desu

Shirou has amber eyes. They're not bright gold.

Gilcuck going for the "I- I'm not owned!" excuse as usual.

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Low effort post

They only look "gold" because he's looking at a fire. That's how lighting works.

>That's how lighting in anime works
Ftfy

I don't know if you've realized this yet user, but light and color can reflect off real eyes too.

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Yea but it's exaggerated in anime

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cute

holy fuck my sides

I liked the Femme Fatale ending where Sakura forces Rin to endure what she had to go through

Because?

It felt cathartic after Rin basically pushing Sakura into a corner, mentally.

She was a bitch in HF anyways. No idea why they toned down her character in the movies.

>You don't like my favorite character? Reddit!
No, you're the one who needs to go back to your roastie loving safespace.

She didn't push Sakura into a corner. Sakura made her own stupid decision to go after Zouken on her own. The reason Rin was so cold towards Sakura was because she needed to steel herself in preparation for killing her. Sakura was a threat that needed to be taken down. Unlike Shirou, Rin didn't think it was possible to save Sakura anymore by that point.

>stupid decision
The alternative was staying in bed and letting the shadow kill more people. By going to the Matou mansion, Sakura managed to gain control over the shadow and get rid of all the villains.

>roastie
Nice crossboarder buzzword there. Back to /r9k/.

Why is Redman so cool, bros? He's an average heroic spirit but god damn he rocks every fight he's in. Even in the fight he will lose like fighting Herc and Cu he's still so cool. What the hell did Shiro experience to become so perfect like that?

Are you kidding? By going to the Matou mansion, she fell into Zouken's trap, killed Shinji, snapped and became the biggest threat of all. That was exactly what Rin was afraid of. That's the entire reason why Rin told her to stay in bed.

Honestly, HF Rin felt out of character to me. She obviously loves Sakura, and her "cold pragmatist" act usually melts away when it comes time to do something that's truly cold. She seems like she would at least try being warm towards Sakura. I don't think that HF Rin would have mentored Shirou if it wasn't already written into the premise. I wouldn't be a Rinfag if she acted like that in Fate and UBW. Not a Sakura-hostile Rinfag, BTW.

Killing bad people with bow and arrows. And in another timeline he fights with Kiara and projects too much that he fried off his body and lost sense of taste.

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>the biggest threat of all
Yes, someone who kills Zouken, Kotomine and True Assassin but can't bring herself to kill Rin and Shirou sure is a huge threat. Reminder that there wouldn't even have been a fight in the finale if Rin didn't go out of her way to pick one. If she had just let Shirou explain his Rule Breaker plan to Sakura instead of saying she'd kill her, Sakura would have let him past Saber so he could free her from Angra Mainyu right away.

>Yes, someone who kills Zouken, Kotomine and True Assassin but can't bring herself to kill Rin and Shirou sure is a huge threat.
Are you serious? Is that really what you think? You do know that Sakura tortures Rin and murders Shirou in the worst bad end, right?

>If she had just let Shirou explain his Rule Breaker plan to Sakura
Shirou didn't even have a fucking plan. He sure as fuck didn't tell anything to Rin about any such plan. He had no idea how he would save Sakura until he actually went and did it. He didn't actually think of using Rule Breaker until just the end.

Sakura was far too corrupted by Angra Mainyu to think rationally. She damn near ended the entire fucking world. If you seriously believe that Dark Sakura was the fucking good guy in this route, then you're a retard.

Bad end. Operative term.

Wait, do you actually believe that Sakura was in control? Like, you really think that Sakura was in any position to make anything right after she killed Shinji and snapped?

>You do know that Sakura tortures Rin and murders Shirou in the worst bad end, right?
Because Rin is such a bitch she pisses away Sakura's miraculous goodwill. Try paying attention to the actual story, where Sakura can't bring herself to finish off Rin after their first fight, and wants Shirou and Rin to escape later on.
>Shirou didn't even have a fucking plan. He sure as fuck didn't tell anything to Rin about any such plan.
He got the idea around when he projected the Zelretch sword. He was just about to tell Rin about it when he got a convenient arm-induced Alzheimer's attack, then Rin interrupted him when he was about to talk to Dark Sakura.
>Sakura was far too corrupted by Angra Mainyu to think rationally.
She still had some reason left until Rin provoked her.
>If you seriously believe that Dark Sakura was the fucking good guy in this route, then you're a retard.
Here's what Nasu has to say about the matter:
>Sakura is a symbol of loss and betrayal, like Gilgamesh but in a different way. It was important that people didn't perceive her as a villain, though, because we intended her to be more like a victim or sacrifice. In that regard, I think Dark Sakura's design is perfect.

She did make things right as a matter of fact. Without her, Kotomine or Zouken would have won.

any girl who's a cunt is a well-written character to westerners as evidenced in toradora and oreimo. Why bother discussing

>Like, you really think that Sakura was in any position to make anything right after she killed Shinji and snapped?
She made lots of decisions by herself
>hunting down Illya
>sending Herc to kill anyone not Shirou
>trying to kill Kirei
>telling Rin to run away with Shirou
>killing CA Hassan and Zouken

Yeah, Sakura isn't a villain because she wasn't in full control over her own actions. What the fuck do you think it means to be the vessel of ALL THE WORLD'S EVIL? After killing Shinji, she snapped and became drunk on power. She was going to give birth to the fucking apocalypse. She prioritized her own life more than that of humanity, and even when she said that she'd kill herself to prevent that, her actions contradicted her words because if she was actually planning to do that at all, she would have done so a long time ago.

I'm not blaming Sakura. Yes, it's Zouken's fault that this happened. But she was effectively Avenger now. She was the harbinger of All the World's Evil. She was not thinking rationally. Sakura wasn't the villain, but Dark Sakura, the vessel of Angra Mainyu, was the biggest threat to the world in all of Fate/stay night.

Archer is a whiny faggot with the most emo motivation that you could think up.

Nasu keeps writing the same character over and over again.
>Asagami
>Kohaku
>Sakura
>Sakura 2: AI Bogaloo
>Kama
So, no. It's just tiresome.

Well written for my dick

Keep seething roastie lover, because I will be here until you go back to where you came from.

>he's self-serving
No, he isn't.
>the only reason why he helps others is because is the only way he feels satisfaction,
Bullshit, this is what Kotomine does and you're drawing a parallel where there is none.
>he drops them to pursue his own personal happiness.
Oh yeah, show one fucking time this has happened.
>but completely selfish whose actions seem heroic but are really motivated by his own sense of hapiness
Anderson, Archer and Rin all disagree.

How do you get Shirou this wrong?

Is there a worse fanbase on Yea Forums?

>REEEEEE RAPE VICTIMS ARE "ROASTIES"

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The TM fanbase has been pretty horrible since TM has been a thing. It's why I tend to stay out of TM threads despite being a long time TMfag.

does anyone have the webum of this scene? couldnt find anything in the archive

Sakura, Fate or TM? Either or the answer is "no".

YOUR VOICE BRINGS ME BACK
UPON THE CRUMBLING GROUND BENEATH OUR FEET, THE CHERRY BLOSSOMS DANCE ABOUT
CUTTING THROUGH THE LABYRINTH THAT'S ON THE VERGE OF SWALLOWING ME WHOLE
I WON'T STOP, YOU WILL FEEL MY STRENGTH (HEAT)

This. Waifu wars really ruined the threads last couple of years. I'm happy people with superior taste sit on the sidelines.

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I wish we got enraged Berserker Illya.

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Best taste.

So, Edelfelt Sakura

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>well-written
>wormslut
Lol kek

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Except most girls prefer Rin and hate Sakura so I don't get what you're implying

> go to nhentai
>search Sakura Matou
>only 377
>wtf japan

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I can't believe the Shinji Isekai thread got deleted because the OP backlinked like a retard.
Now all I have are Rinfags and Sakurafags baiting each other.

Read the fucking vn, fag

>nhentai

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why does gilgamesh lose every time?

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Let's also mentioned Kama made it to top grail servants out of the batch while both two version of Ishtar and Ereshkigal failed to despite having the most popular main story and multiple events shilling them

The reason for the movie to do both scenes was to eliminate the reason "have sex for mana". The sex is from just pure love and acceptance now

A new and beautiful pasta

no actually
>She is realistic enough to feel something for her at least
just because you never leave your house and have zero female interactions in your life doesn't make her realistic

prime shitpost my friend

As if Prototype and all the rape/rape threats flying around in Tsukihime and F/SN didn't make it obvious enough.

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Is it possible to like both Rin and Sakura? Or does liking one instantly turn your into a waifuwar drone like with Rei or Asuka?

I just watched the movie.
Contrary to the horrendous Assassin vs. Lancer stupid fight that shouldn't have been in the first movie, Berserker vs. Saber Alter was absolutely amazing and gave a well-deserved part of the spotlight to Heracles. The sakuga and the after-effects were also flawless. The illusion of Sakura in her Wonderland also a very neat original part that tie in to her madness.

My main gripes were Illya and Shirou's untimely discussion after Sakura runs away, which didn't make much sense, and Sakura being scared of her illusions after killing Shinji. It looked like she was scared of her dark side, when she laughed crazily and then welcomed the shadow in her. I kinda understand they're trying to make her even more of a victim, but the point was that she's also driven to madness by the Crest, the shadow and the mistreatment.

I'll be honest, Shirou likely has the best outcome in UBW. If you just think about it, your options are:

> Go with the rich, popular girl who is also a total bro, and accomplish your life's dream.
> Go with the girl who brings a lot of drama into your life and was sexually abused. Die, come back in a different body, and live as a house-husband.

I mean, it feels like the overarching message is "Look, go with the girl who doesn't cause so much trouble."

>Become a janitor for mankind's madness and stupidity until mankind stops existing, being forced to make the same stupid mistakes as Kiritsugu and forced to kill in the name of JUSTICE which drives you to hate yourself more and more as time goes by, wishing to killing yourself before you committed to that path
vs.
>living a comfy, peaceful life free of strife or problems and dying of old age, surrounded by your family
Hmmmm.

>Become a janitor for mankind's madness and stupidity until mankind stops existing, being forced to make the same stupid mistakes as Kiritsugu and forced to kill in the name of JUSTICE which drives you to hate yourself more and more as time goes by, wishing to killing yourself before you committed to that path
Shirou doesn't become Archer in UBW

She's a well written whore I say

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Guess I'll respond to each individual post.

I'm basing myself on someone I know in real life: they're very touchy about the things that involve the abuse they went through, but otherwise they behave mostly normally, and I'm not talking bad grade in school here either. Again, irritability in particular is not a reaction to stress I'd expect from Sakura.

I certainly agree they could feel depressed even if the correct buttons aren't pushed, but Sakura already gets plenty depressed in the few days before day 10. She doesn't meet Shirou during days 3-4 I think other than day 3 morning, but she gets depressed 3 separate days due to stuff related to Rin, gets sad when Shirou sees she's been hit and tries to cover that up with little success. She gets depressed quite a few times, and as always she reacts by just getting depressed and being sad and getting kinda quiet, which is how she behaves at school, so that makes me think that she tends to spend her time internally cursing her existance there: the pensiveness you feel is missing. They couldn't capture it in the VN, but the manga has a pretty nice panel of the moment Shirou peeks into her classroom in day 2 I think it is, when Sakura is alone in the classroom. She makes a fantastic sort of angry face-s if she was in a stare down-if I recall correctly.

In fact, I just remembered this, but in the shed she has that conversation with Shirou about him being adopted and this goes a long way to making the reader understand she's given plenty of thought to her own situation. I think she was surprised that Shirou was perfectly fine with bring adopted.

I think she only got wormed at night after coming from Shirou's house, I know it's kinda besides the point, but there was never a situation as extreme as going to his house right after getting wormed as I understand, and she even took a break from visiting him during the summoning, so Zouken took some degree of care, since she was his spy after all.

You missed quite a lot of things then. In Hollow, she started out very shy when it was said she was going to be captain, and she didn't know how to handle it, so her seniors got together and had her interact with the club on a training camp, and she expressed her talents there in teaching them various healings via massage to use for injuries and cooking, thereby bonding with them, which is why she and they seem so close.

Shirou and Taiga helped her before the game in that year and a half to become more outgoing and cheerful, but she was still in the place of her suffering, so of course she was still gloomy outside of those two, they were the ones that accepted her while her classmates didn't bother and avoided her. So when that suffering ended, naturally she was able to transition on regaining her self esteem by seeing her own value as I said above, and that happens in all routes since she ends up as the captain when Ayako graduates.

So there, perfectly reasonable facts for why she is fine in Hollow or post HF True. Even in HF True, she says she throws herself into her work so she doesn't wallow in depression, so it's not like she's "fixed", but neither is Shirou after the routes, he is in a transition too. We saw in post UBW that he hid his feelings from Rin about being uncomfortable at the Clock Tower for a long time, and Nasu doesn't really go into how he will end up healthy afterward, just says "he went further than Archer" with no detail, same with Last Episode, but people accept that no problems. So Sakura shouldn't seem that far fetched.

In fact Sakura being Zouken's spy would be another reason for her to try to hide her emotions, and even then she let some of her emotions slip like 5 times during just 8 days or so. Twice about things regarding her abuse (when Shirou sees she was hit on the face, and when Shinji visits and hits Sakura) Shirou easily ignored all of those, and was dumb enough to think she was uninvolved in magic after the first 8 days, so I don't trust his perception at all to notice she's got some heavy baggage. In fact he's wilfully unaware of some of her issues, like Shinji's abuse.

Well, again, I think there were some cracks and Sakura brought up some topics related to her situation at times, she really wasn't 100% normal all the time, even as early as day 1 Sakura shows a weird expresion, and her tone changes a bit at the prospect of Shirou going home with her because of Shinji's possible reaction. These are things that one could understandably not pick up, but once you know about her situation you understand more where those reactions come from.

>red eyes
you can't fool me Angra

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HF is only good because of Kotomine and Ilya. I couldnt care less for Sakura.

I want one!

Bb has her own tag, so you can add those.
What's wrong with nhentai?

A good tragic heroine, most of her story revolves around unyielding will and desire to improve her own life while also following her love.
There's no generic "I'm dirty" or other depressing nonsense, she falls for Shirou and goes after him hard though not to the point of backing off if he falls for someone else.
I sincerely like how she's written, better than Saber's dull personality to the point of blandness and Rin's generic tsundere #25155 archetype.

He just doesen't become our Archer. He could still become "a archer".

She is a homicidal whore and wormshitfags will always defend her

Rin's anus > Sakura's anus

I'm a "wormshitfag" and agree in so far, that she isn't pure. She isn't homicidal by the end though.

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No, Nasu explicitely said that Shirou won't turn out like Archer in all 3 routes, of course that doesn't mean he won't become "a archer" like you say but it does mean he won't regret his choice like our Archer does. If anything I'd say he's more likely to turn into a servant in the Fate route, I doubt Rin would let him walk the same path as Archer after UBW.

At the very least not for the same reasons as our boy Archer, for example HF Shirou could become a counter guardian if the Throne offered him the deal only in exchange of Sakura's life.

>What's wrong with nhentai?
I was about to write a long reply but you're obviously too new and I won't bother.

Her anus is all she's good for

His best outcome is Fate with Realta Nua epilogue.

Rin ain't rich, since she uses the majority of her money for her magic, so your ass is gonna work, and people diminish her own psychological issues given she condoned a war ina metropolitan area for a prize she didn't even want. Sakura ends up really well adjusted after being out of her abusive place and she IS rich

How should Gil kill Sakura so she wouldn't kill him instead? Like raining down np is not enough? Does he need Ea to actually kill Sakura?

>Sakura ends up really well adjusted
Well, if you can call a nympho well adjusted

She's got both Rider and Shirou to unload mana on bitch is literally living the life.

Dicking Rin's dirty anus

You think worms were kissing his dick while he fucked her?

yeah

Purple always wins baby

those knockers are huge

youtube.com/watch?v=yhcV-PeISXs

Yes. Shirou aprooves it.

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Lord el melloi new episode?

Shinji's dick? Maybe
When shirou fucks her she is already dewormed, so no

Shinji > Shirou
Asuka > Rin
Rei > Sakura

Asuka>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Others

1. Sakura is a virgin.
2. The worms only affected her magic circuits, not her physical body.
3. Shinji only beat her.
4. No one did anything sexual to her except Shirou.

>1. Sakura is a virgin.
Not in the original game OR the movie OR the manga.
Only in the shitty all ages editions of the VN.

>tsundere
>best
pick one

Pls respond

I think Realta nua is a better in general, because it replaces stuff like Sakura asking Shirou "do you not like girls with big breasts?" to "do you not like shy girls" and another similar change one of the mornings after they fuck.

The blood sucking scens themselves are all right, the changes I really like are the intimate conversations they have instead of the sex.

I think people should just read original HF once to know what happens, then in any reread just read RN.

All of that is untrue for the VN(realta nua follows the same canon, just all the sexual stuff has been cut to make it approriate for all ages).

>wormslut
>well-written
You need more, right?

Is there even any other alternative to the realta nua translation since there isn't an official one?

I prefer a mix of both like the movie did

you theyre fucking in realta nua version

>It doesn't matter if she was under the influence, a pathetic victim, or feeling pressured
It does though. That's the whole point.

what are the Bad Ends where Sakura explicitly dies in the VN

There are no bad ends in which Sakura dies.

>Does he need Ea to actually kill Sakura?

He could but he wont

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? There are at least two where Rin killed Sakura the hell are you talking about?

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Sakura explicitly gets killed by Rin in the Mind of Steel and Geas end

Feels good to continually win.

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I think she's decent enough to keep story interesting.
Plus she's just a maiden in love

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No, you literally read the VN, You're a complete fucking retard, if you honestly think any of what was said there was true. If Shirou only felt happiness when saving people, like how Kotomine can only enjoy things once he has filled his suffering gauge, why would Shirou feel guilty about having fun in UBW?

Back any of those fucking points made up with actual scenes and maybe we can talk, but as is this is some of the most retarded shit I have ever read.

Fate and UBW make people like Rin, then HF comes around and makes people feel guilty about liking her, causing them to react violently and completely disdain Sakura to protect their earlier like of Rin.

Nasu does this with everything; FGO has ruined so much of what made FSN good retroactively, too.

I honestly wish he had died in 2011 or something.

I wish we would have seen more of Saber and Sakura relationship because Saber immediately understood Sakura, even warned Shirou about what kind of person she was (someone who condemned herself), and Saber Alter knew exactly what she needed (as exposed in her thoughts in some bad endings).

Read the VN. Shirou has always been selfish self-absorbed faggot.

I don't think rinfags hate Sakura entirely because of Rin being a bitch towards her, iI think it's also because they're polar opposite in most ways, be it personality and role in the story.
Agreed on the FGO part though.

Shirou won't make a contract with the World in UBW, Nasu literally confirms that as long as Rin is with him it won't happen.
>which drives you to hate yourself more and more as time goes by, wishing to killing yourself before you committed to that path
And Archer, the man who went to literally his personal hell, still thinks it wasn't wrong.

So no matter what UBW Shirou will go through, he'll be okay with it.
>so your ass is gonna work,
Self-inserting, not even once.
That image got me to read FSN waaay back. Too bad I ended up completely ignoring Sakura.
Fuck off realtacuck.

GIVE ME ONE FUCKING EXAMPLE FOR YOU BULLSHIT.

ONE. FUCKING. EXAMPLE.

Cursed Hand Hassan is a great character.

>it's also because they're polar opposite in most ways
None of the three heroines are alike though. One main reason the war between Rinfags, and Sakurafags is so bad is because of how different their respective routes are. Another huge factor is because they're basically fighting for second place. Rinfags were able to claim second to Saber in terms of popularity due to Sakura and HF in general being unpopular when the VN first released, but that's not so concrete all these years later. The war was always pointless though since Saber is in a league of her own, and that doesn't even mean anything these days since Mashu/Alter Jeanne have gotten to her level, and they did it in just 4 years while Saber had 10+ years to rise to the popularity she's at.

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>like how Kotomine can only enjoy things once he has filled his suffering gauge, why would Shirou feel guilty about having fun in UBW?
Kotomine LITERALLY likes him because he's exactly like him, in reverse. He gets his thrills on trying to save people, that's why he felt envious by how Kiritsugu looked so happy when he saved him, he had his distortion kick in in that moment. He's an unhealthy broken being that needs to die and gets a douse of real happiness with Saber or Sakura to be healed. UBW is the route he's a self assorted asshat who never grows up beyond accepting he's fucked up and telling Rin to get over it.

I've always thought that popularity is the dumbest possible metric for how good a character is, or for how justified you are in liking them. And I'm saying this as an Archerfag.

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the shit would be filled with fate grand order characters if a new one was held

His desperate struggle to save himself from the CGI dragon is a clever allusion to his self-asborption, all-consuming to satisfy himself only, and complete disregard to the needs of his partner during a coitus.

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>None of the three heroines are alike though
Well sure, but Rin and Saber have a more similar role in the story as Shirou's ally in the grail war, which Sakura does not have in any of the route.

>Another huge factor is because they're basically fighting for second place
While in term of popularity it's true, in the case of actually fighting for being the best waifu for Shirou I think they're both ahead of Saber. While she's obviously the face of the franchise, it never seemed to me like people thought she belonged with Shirou as much as people think Rin or Sakura do.

Saber and Sakura are more simmilar to each other in the romance department though

Shinji fucked the shit out of her and she loved every second of it. Sakura should tell Saber and Rin about how much of a stud her brother is.

Yeah, didn't want to get too into it but Saber has a few similarities with both Rin and Sakura, but Rin and Sakura on the other hand have pretty much nothing in common (besides the fact that they're magi sisters obviously)

>Kotomine LITERALLY likes him because he's exactly like him, in reverse
But he's not. Not really, anyhow beyond the superficially opposite natures they have.

Shirou doesn't need to literally save someone to be able to enjoy the taste of food, or help people to feel good. In fact, superheroics will ultimately make him completely miserable, yet he'll still keep going.
>a douse of real happiness with Saber or Sakura to be healed
You dumbass. With Saber and Sakura he just fixates on one person over the masses, just as he does with Rin to an extent. His base personality and habit of putting himself before others doesn't actually change at all with them.

HELL, in Fate he thinks about running away with Saber for a second before the final fight, but then decides not to ask her because she's already made up her mind and he'll follow her lead, once again putting someone else's wishes before his own. In HF it's the same deal; be "Sakura's Hero". Not "stop being a hero".
>Rin to get over it.
LMAO Rin is explicitly the only heroine who makes it her life's goal to make Shirou as happy as possible.

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i don't get it.
fate is so big in the west just look at this board.
yet no one translates mahoyo.
meanwhile, there are people making full translations for the raildex psp game

Sakura can be pretty teasing like Rin as seen in F/HA.

She is more simmilar to Luvia in that aspect for me

Okay that's funny.
> I think they're both ahead of Saber
That's because Shirou is Saber's waifu, not the other way around as with Rin and Sakura who're sopping wet at the thought of Shirou.

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Haven't read HA yet so maybe, I've heard Sakura's personality develop quite a bit in it.

>it never seemed to me like people thought she belonged with Shirou as much as people think Rin or Sakura do.
Are you like drunk? Rin is the most unpopular pairing with Shirou. The fandom, including TM, ships her more with Archer. That's why they included ArcherxRin in an OFFICIAL couple TM poll and won after SaberxShirou, ArcxShiki, RyougixMikiya.

Nasu prefers Sakura as love interest, but he acknowledges Saber is the most popular choice. Rin always seemed more his babysitter fuckbuddy than a real romantic match. It's so bad Butcher who has horrible understanding about romance and relationships (look at his every relationship in Zero or LB3) thinks they are the best couple.

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is it me or was Rin barely a bitch in the HF movies

Thanks for the screenshots bro. Reminds me of my happy times reading fate hollow ataraxia

They want her to stay popular. They watered her down.

What is this about?

I don't know anything about couple polls to be honest, just from what I've seen from discussions about it online it seems people think he has more chemistry with them than Saber. It is only anecdotal observations so maybe I'm wrong, especially since I'm kind of biased since I don't really see Shirou and Saber's relationship as romantic.

Survivor's guilt =/= "selfish self-absorbed faggot"

That screenshot refutes nothing I've said and supports nothing that the other guy claimed.
I've got a bunch I've made, should I post them randomly?

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did you even read fate route? the whole confrontation with Kotomine/Shirou and Shirou not wanting to change the past has to do with his ideal.
even in UBW archer tells him like 10 times that he borrowed Kiritsugu's ideal not because he wanted to help people, but because the ideal was beautiful and it could be used as the reason as to why he gets to be the one that survived that day.

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>Survivor's guilt =/= "selfish self-absorbed faggot"
And as far as the "copying Kiritsugu to feel happiness", it doesn't even work like that. Being a hero of justice will make Shirou miserable and it's normal things like going on dates and hanging out with his friends that makes him happy, but he feels guilty about it because of his survivor's guilt.

So nothing what the other guy claimed about Shirou doing it because it's his twisted sense of making himself selfishly happy.

Post the ones you think are the most interesting for the people that haven't read fha. Some people thought that it was just a generic filler.

Call me crazy, but I like both girls

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And that is completely different from what the guy I'm arguing with claimed.

Fair enough.

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Aight.

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Call me a no taste coward faggot but I like all girls but pic related the most

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Call me based but I like all girls, but Illya the most.

You're a no taste coward faggot but you're alright user

See the thing is, if Archer had been saving people for his own self-satisfaction, people could have understood it. But he wasn't; he was just saving people while suffering more and more.

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Based Shirou.

Nah, I'm good

I don't understand, isn't FHA supposed to be a combination of all three routes? Why did both of them said it was their first time?

Gonna boot up Fate and make a new one right now, realize I'm missing one that would be great in the argument I've been having itt.

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Sorry, that's FSN. Not all are from FHA. Here's a random one from FHA.

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Wtf why is redman so rude and based to gawain

What year was this, 2012? DUDE wouldn't be there at all if it wasn't right after Zero.

>naturally she was able to transition on regaining her self esteem by seeing her own value

It's not that quick, simple, or easy, unfortunately. The Japanese have an overly simplistic view of mental illness sometimes where removing yourself from your problems, combined with a bit of exposure therapy, makes all your issues melt away. People say that alcoholism is a lifelong recovery process, and that's true, but it's a subsect of a larger truth: that all mental illness works the same way. Mental illnesses are a two steps forward, one step back sort of thing, and even then you plateau after a certain point and reach a barrier keeping you away from full normalcy and health. Sakura will likely contend with self-esteem problems and have trauma symptoms for her entire life. Or at least, she will if one wants to write her with even a modicum of believability.

Okay, things are kind of coming together. Sakura, along with generally being in a better frame of mind due to the comfort Shirou and Taiga bring her, deliberately tries to play up that image of her being happy and normal even further due to being Zouken's spy. Even then, her facade isn't perfect, and the imperfections present throughout her route were likewise present during all the months she's spent with the Emiyas... but they eluded Shirou's notice because he's a moron.

I don't know if I can buy that even Taiga wouldn't notice that something's amiss, though, or that there's something wrong with her. She's more intuitive and people-focused. But whatever. Not a huge deal.

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Even if we can fully explain away Sakura as an individual, though, I don't think she should be looked at as a typical example of mentally ill people in general. Many people with mental health problems don't present with THAT degree of subtlety. My dad still has days where he's incredibly grouchy 50 years after returning home from Vietnam, and is easily rattled by stress. Situations I went through as a child have left me generally quiet and withdrawn to this day; no "Friendships and a bit of exposure therapy make all your problems go away" for me. My sisters, despite the progress they've made with their own issues, still pointedly have moments of irritability and neuroticism. My untreated Bipolar aunt has days that leave no question as to whether or not she's stable. Various friends of mine, even if they seem normal the vast majority of the time, still have their off days where their inner turmoil is more visible. And so on.

Maybe Sakura works as a lone example and individual, but anyone who thinks of her as a typical example of a mentally ill person might be underestimating the gravity of mental health problems. Mental health problems are very stubborn, pervasive things. They don't go away with a little bit of exposure therapy and some elbow grease, they aren't so localized that you're perfectly fine so long as your stressors aren't within your direct field of vision, and they aren't so mild and controllable that you can always perfectly hide them. And that's what annoys me more than anything, the fact that she might be an unwitting example of people's ignorance of mental health problems.

Thanks for posting FHA screenshots bro. I appreciate it

can someone explain the lesser grail/greater grail to me, not sure if i got it right but kind of confused from the VN after kotomines talk with Shirou.
>greater grail is a wish machine
>after third war, angra mainyu fused with the greater grail corrupting it
>after fourth war, the incomplete corrupted lesser grail is used to fuse with sakura
>since sakura is a human (opposed to homunculus) she gets tainted by angra mainyu

The greater grail is the grail itself, just a pool of mana that later got corrupted with angra.
The lesser grail is the key, the gate to access that pool of mana. In FSN it's Illya, in Zero her mom, and in HF Sakura functions as an improvised grail and starts absorbing the heroic spirits instead of Illya (Illya only gets Archer inside her).

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NP. I should make more, though.
Think of it like a nuclear reactor. Greater grail is the power plant itself, lesser grail is the uranium/plutonium payload that generates the energy.

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MODS???

This is a blue board spoiler that shit

Okay, done with this.

See every time someone posts an argument about Shirou's ideal being borrowed, they never actually bother to note that it was a part of Answer; the scene where Shirou argues with Archer and actually has a retort to that. (Also, the happiness at being saved is only a part of Shirou's problem, the other part being the fact that Kiritsugu left him with the final words of "I'm relieved" when Shirou said he would become a hero in Kiritsugu's stead.)

Anyhow, compiled apart of Shirou's argument from Answer, cutting away most of the action and Archer's POV which just shows Archer's reaction to Shirou's realization here. The thing is, even if it's fake or borrowed or whatever, he didn't just adopt it without thinking about it at all. No, "to become a superhero" is the crystallization of every emotion, thought and belief HE had right after he was saved. It's not just something he believes in blindly, it's his answer to everything that happened to him and the very thing that ARCHER forgot, which is why Archer lost in the end.

It's not something that Shirou discovers here for the first time; these are his truest beliefs from the beginning, too. This is the "origin" of the man who became a hero of justice.

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No taste coward faggot.

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And ho boy, Shirou can really shout. His anime performances just don't have the same oomph. Or maybe it's just ufotable. It's weird, I straight up 100% prefer the sound and voice direction of the DEEN UBW movie.

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Also I've used this as my background on and off for years.

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It feels so conflicting. While I really like the interpretation of Shirou's actual wish and motivation always being simply trying to replicate Kiritsugu's smile while he was saved, leading to him wanting to save others, so he could achieve that presumed state of bliss and salvation himself and everything after that is almost purely an ad hoc, it just feels too much of a stretch to accept fully. He obviously is a mess of motivations and emotions and part of his character is being oblivious to himself, but to just think that he's fully shaped and purely motivated by a simple brief moment is just going too far.

I just wish I could properly understand the VN instead of relying on clumsy fan translations.

The pic of shirou's body turning into swords in Sparks Liner High provides some visual info on what does it look like. Also, it was Medusa right that kicked her?

why do incels think that getting fucked often makes a pussy not tight? everyone becomes more loose with age but by training pelvic floor muscles you can keep it tight.

Ye

Like I said, it's not just the "saved from the fire" moment, it's also Kiritsugu's last wish. Or the "final curse" as Archer puts it.
Sparks Liner High doesn't have any pictures showing the swords, they're shown in the final fist fight(which you don't even get the first time playing, iirc).

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Same. I actually didn't like at all whenever Shirou's character was basically rewritten as "oh he doesn't have survivor's guilt after all, he just wants to follow in Kerry's footsteps." It feels like a very unconvincing retcon, and as though it takes a perfectly interesting character concept (survivor's guilt) and erases it for no good reason.

The two things working in tandem, though, would be nice. Shirou simultaneously having survivor's guilt and caring little about himself for that reason, while also wanting to follow in Kiritsugu's footsteps and see if he can claim the happiness Kerry felt in that moment.

It's weird. In UBW Archer says "it wasn't survivor's guilt" but then in Extra he goes "Oh yeah it was survivor's guilt".

And anyone who thinks Emiya and Mumei are different people can just shut the fuck up; their basis is the same.

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He means that it wasn't JUST survivor's guilt.

No, he pretty categorically refutes that in UBW. That's why it's weird, because what you said makes sense.

Why is Sakura so popular with the roastie females?

Rin is the one who's popular with them for being a stronk womyn.