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Why is it considered "hypocritical" to want to help others?
Josiah Wright
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Isaiah Brooks
Because he doesn't actually care about that and is just mimicking Kiritsugu without thinking much about it.
Ian Garcia
Because kiritsugu (and by extension EMIYA's) form of heroism is an explicitly utilitarian one, that weighs up acts in terms of deaths vs lives, when in reality issues can be much more nuanced than that.
As we see in both kiritsugu's life and EMIYA's counter-guardian adventure, this doesn't end well for either of them.
Eli Price
So? People get saved either way. I'm sure the person who Shirou pulls out of a burning building would respond with "yeah I was about to thank you for saving my life until I learned that you were doing it out of a misplaced sense of survivors guilt, now go fuck yourself and dump me back into the flames you hypocrite!"
Not.
Landon Campbell
The point is, as said you can't save everyone, leading to contradictions.
Have you not watched fate zero's ending? A whole portion of that episode is about that.
Easton King
>Because kiritsugu (and by extension EMIYA's) form of heroism is an explicitly utilitarian one, that weighs up acts in terms of deaths vs lives, when in reality issues can be much more nuanced than that.
I usually rail on edgelords that whine about hypocrisy because it is usually pointlessly misinterpreting a perfectly reasonable moral principle but Utilitarianism is complete bullshit.
Ian Cruz
I feel like the author going into the franchise with a >utilitarianism always bad type of personal philosophy made a big impact
Eli Wright
Reminder that Kiritsugu being a KILL EM ALL edgelord was a retcon that Butcher added to make FZ more pointlessly edgy
John Richardson
Because Archer is a Nazi incel who never had sex.
Angel Morgan
How does it feel being a secondary and spreading lies?
I'm too lazy to look for a screen but there's a whole talk with Kirei about Kiritsugu's mindset with a cg about him.