I refuse to believe anyone would consider this fucking atrocity better than any of the other parts...

>all of his newly revealed sons
Not all

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he was slightly less ioditc, but I was referring to the fact that they were ALL a bunch of spastics unable to use their stands before meeting pucci

Giorno was fine only because he had a role model in the gangster that saved his life. All of DIO’s other kids lacked any sort of positive role model in their lives to help them through.

speedread engaged. DIO got close to Pucci because he need him to attain heaven, he needed someone who would make his plans come to fruition. he even said he needed to find someone who had no political aspirations, no hunger for power and no selfish motives and which Pucci met that criteria. DIO was a fucking coward who used any means necessary to achieve victory so him pretty much being forced to find a perfect partner in his heaven attaining plan is not out if his character, he is an opportunistic pussy. also imagine thinking DIO's character got ruined when all we know about him is that he's a powerhungry sociopath and a narcissistic coward. also
>retroactively ruins other parts by making all of his newly revealed sons some absolute retards
you mean it """ruins""" only part 5 you overreacting retard, if you want to see another nonretarded son of DIO look at Donatello, also
>waaah I hate SO because it ruined my favorite onenote jojo, hes not special anymore
giornofags need to be gassed

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Write whatever you want, SO's dio isn't the same person as the previous ones, nothing will change my opinion, and dio+pucci's plan was buttfuck retarded, pointlessly convoluted and made no sense in its resolution, which leads to possibly the worst ending in the series.
The writing in SO is even worst than vento aureo (I'm not a giornofag, idiot), and it's absolutely insane that the same person who wrote the first 4 parts made this.

>Part 6
>Worst ending in the series
another pleb filtered by kino in heaven

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it was fucking trash and stupid, and I have no fucking clue why he thought that the setting needed to be rebooted

tldr
Josuke is who he is due to the stranger that saved him as a baby (and also Ryohei but literally nobody cares, not even Araki or DP), Giorno because of the gangster, and Jolyne's equivalent moment is when Jotaro says he always cared for her.

the other kids of DIO don't make Giorno not special, they just redefine what makes him special. Ungalo's not worth talking about, but Rykiel and Versus could've easily become great if someone had been an example for them and Giorno could've been trash. Rykiel gets his influencing figure in Pucci and Versus' is a bit smarter than that so he sees whats up with Pucci

Giorno's not gonna get drawn to Florida as he found a life purpose with a load of shit to do. Also those 3 were American. Did anyone think they flew there? DIO certainly fucked around when he was in America.

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>nothing will change my opinion and i will not bring any actual counterarguments to support my stance
every fucking time

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I made my point clear, whatever SO added to dio sucked. and it's only one of many things that sucked in part 6. no need to repeat myself

>it was trash and stupid
How? Why? if your going to complain about it at least give actual reasons instead of just saying "It's shit" and calling it a day

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first of all, it's shit
secondly, not only the way to get made in heaven was absolutely ridiculous and random (like saying those specific sentences to green baby, what the actual fuck), but its function was to bring the universe to its end and have it start again, and because of that gravity bullshit it would be exactly like the first one, so that everyone would know what would happen in their future and be determinated to face it? fucking really? I've been called a speedreader but I read those chapters at least twice to see if I didn't understand something, but all in all I found it an incredibly complicated plan to get a really fucking stupid goal (which, on top of everything, is supposed to be dio's final goal). and the day is saved by weather report with yet another asspull that for absolutely no reason hadn't been used before (in the only istance he does actually something concrete with lasting effects other than helping jolyne in a fight) and then emporio is suddenly kicked in yet another reality where everyone is alive and with different names? I really don't get what one should learn from this ending other than maybe some fluff about destiny. it definitely doesn't give any satisfying ending to the characters considering that almost all of the original ones died. and, again, I don't get what araki thought of achieving rebooting everything when it really didn't need to.
so if anyone can provide a fulfilling explaination, you are welcome.
honestly, SO was a complete disappointment, I didn't like vento aureo that much but with SO araki did really drop the ball in both characters, plot and overall writing.

wait there are people out there who believe dio wasn't manipulating pucci

It's not DIO's goal, its Pucci's, speedreader.

Because there was nothing left to do after Bohemian Rhapsody, Heavy Weather and Limp Bizkit. Stands in part 6 are too powerful and too ridiculous, Araki wanted to de-escalate the power levels and go back to nature for the setting.

At first, yes. But then Pucci was also using Dio for his own gains.

>He didn't read over heaven
>He didn't understand Pucci's motive
>He think's Pucci's goal is Dio's goal
>He didn't understand the significance of Jolyne's name not making her a Jojo anymore
>He thinks Emporio having Weather Report's disk is an asspull
Pleb. Filtered.

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>doesn't even understand the simplest aspects of the ending
>continues to bitch about the ending
this is the first time I've seen someone butcher SO's ending this badly holy shit, how can you even fucntion normally, brainlet?

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and pucci knew how to get made in heaven by reading jotaro's memories which in turn read it from dio's diary, so it was actually a plan conceived by dio, you cuntbreather, so he still wanted to use that power for something

ok faggots, then explain me what I missed, I'm fucking waiting.
and the ending is only the tip of the iceberg of how much SO sucks

and just to be clear, the asspull of emporio with weather report was the oxygen manupulation ability

it was his mistake for cornering himself so much with the power level

>dio+pucci's plan was buttfuck retarded, pointlessly convoluted and made no sense in its resolution
Pucci's intentions were in the right place but execution was extreme. That's why he's a villain, not a traditional hero.
>the worst ending in the series.
Imagine missing the point of JoJo this much.
1st, nothing will top Part 1's ending.
Part 6 deserved the title bizarre more than any other part.

looking at your previous posts i saw this very interesting quote
>write whatever you want, nothing will change my opinion
you're a lost cause fren, go watch some jojotubers if you actually want to understand basic writing, at least there they have the ending somewhat figured out, at least more than you

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Why the fuck should I explain it to you? You've said you've already read it twice, if you didn't understand it even after rereading it what fucking good will some rando on Yea Forums spoonfeeding you what you're supposed to learn naturally through basic comprehension skills accomplish?

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so I'm called out on providing explanation to why I dislike it but you aren't? I take you concede.
34 posts in and no one has yet explained me why stone ocean is anything but trash, just some idiot(s?) avatarfagging

also, in another post I explicitly asked for an explanation, or are you speedreading too?

It's my second fave.

>providing explanation to why I dislike it
>its shit and nothing will change my mind
heres your explanations, make sure to read them more than two times fren, you might not grasp basic human English at first

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Maybe you should have read it carefully once instead of speedreading twice.

Good for you fren, I'm more partial to parts 7 and 8 but I think SO has the best villain and finale in the series.

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there's no explanation to what dio meant by reaching heaven there, retard, and I fail to imagine that seeing how made in heaven works. and I'll have you know that you quoted one of my posts too in there.
concession taken, everyone can go home

>Asks for explanations
>Gets explanations
>Says they're not real explanations
>Declares himself the winner
at this point you're either a turbo-brainlet, or just baiting

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Seven is my fave. Haven't gotten around to 8 yet.

not baiting, tell me what dio meant by achieving heaven, avatarfag

checked

>part 6 haters are giornofags too stupid to understand it
Expected

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I love all parts

>Tell me what dio meant by achieving heaven
Alright let me spoonfeed it to you in the simplest terms possible so you don't get lost. What he meant by "Achieving Heaven" was evolving his stand into the most OP thing in the multiverse so he could be God of everything and do whatever the fuck he wanted.

based

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but doesn't this contradict over heaven? I didn't read it, but I checked the wiki and read the following:
>In the novel, Dio is presented as having developed past his megalomaniac self and began an introspection about his life and his growth.
what you said doesn't really sound like getting past his god complex.
also if his plan was actually to become so op, it makes me wonder if he suffered from amnesia in part 3 when he was pretty content with the world and was even growing stronger

It's the ultimate jojo pleb filter. It starts a bit slow but still it's solid until the green baby part then it gets fucking insane leading to the perfect ending for the series.

It's stated in Giorno's introduction / explanation that he was on the path to becoming a twisted person but didn't because of the mobster that he saved and saved him from an abusive domestic life in turn.

in your brainlet speak it means powering up your stand. in normal comprehensible English it means being aware of your fate and overcoming the fear of the unknown that is the future, that is heaven for DIO and pucci. also heaven isn't some universal name for this power, its just what DIO and Pucci called it, because for them knowing one's fate can be taken as being a step closer to living a perfect live, being a step closer to "heaven" per say. here's your jojo lesson for the day, please never come back

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>implying it doesn't make giorno even more special

I'm in the same spot as OP so I don't know yet, but isn't there still more stupidly overpowered shit to come, like something called Tusk Act 4?

Ive always kinda seen it as Weather Report reaching the Over Heaven ability as well, given how the whole family stand powerups seem to work. Its till bullshit, but ever since Star Platinum could suddenly stop time. I stopped asking these questions.

Honestly I could only order the first three parts based on my preference, from there each part has something that makes it special and unique including SO.

I don't know, I dislike how the character fo weather report has been handled. I mean, he fucking murders in cold blood 3 random people and annasui doesn't even flinch, he's clearly being set up as a villain, and then nothing. But in all honesty most characters feel very out there.

Didn’t he just zap the girls on the bench? Are you sure he killed them?
>Anasui didn’t bat an eye
Since when does Anasui give a shit?

Lmao imagine going from someone who's just a mentally ill loser who wants world domination to some gay wannabe philospher and thinking that is good writing.
Part6fags are mentally unwell.

Nope. Stands in part 7 are for the most part very weak or so specific that they would be useless in other circumstances. There are couple of strong Stands, but nothing like Bohemian Rhapsody or C Moon.

Tusk Act 4 is useless if the user doesn't have a horse and like 20 meters for it to run, Catch the Rainbow is useless when it's not raining, etcetera.

he filled the guy in the hospital with water, and yeah, the girls got zapped. I don't think you see them dead, but you don't see the aftermath of that period, so they could as well be dead.
>Since when does Anasui give a shit?
I think that saying at least "dude what the fuck" wouldn't have been out of character. Also nothing in his backstory suggests that he would go around maliciously fucking with people like that.

He didn't kill those girls, he applied some electricity to their backs so they would have an orgasm.

What said.

Stands in Part 7 are presented more so as supplementary powers, tools, as opposed to how the original universe presents them, where they're very strong and have myriad applications so that you can basically just stand still, depending on them entirely.

ignore the guy who told you to read over heaven, it's fanfiction that's at least 89 times more character breaking than part 6 DIO. It tries to explain and justify DIO's character including in unnecessary areas and fails in just about every way.

He fucking turned two people inside out and tried to convince Foo Fighters to kill herself so he could try to marry Jolyne.

>He fucking turned two people inside out
enemies, or am I forgetting something?
>tried to convince Foo Fighters to kill herself
never said he wasn't a jerk. also FF in his eyes isn't a person (technically true)
but it's not like he walks around and rips your bones out for fun

His gf and the guy she was fucking. It's why he was in prison in the first place. He also turned the Soul Survivor user's ribcage inside out.

ah shit I totally forgot about that.
but the survivor user was an enemy, doesn't count
but still, he kinda had a reason to kill those people, they weren't randomly picked. I just think that such a radical change in weather report's behavior would have warranted at least some comments from him

Only fucking faggots and speedreaders hate on stone ocean. It's the best part pre universe switch, Golden Wind sucks donkey dick, Jolyne is the best JoJo and the fact that people would even consider putting Phantom Blood and Stardust Crusaders (two of the WORST jojo parts) over it actually disgust me.

Phantom Blood is not bad but Stardust Crusaders deserves to be at the bottom.

I could definitely find some good in Phantom Blood but I think it is pretty boring, but at least it didn't overstay it's welcome unlike Stardust Crusaders.

Nope. In every ranking 6 has to be at the bottom. It was so bad that Araki had to reboot Jojo. Worst cast, abysmal start even though Florida in general was a unique setting. Literally the only positive thing about part 6 was the run up to the ending. It was that bad.

Nope. ur wrong nerd. everything i say is fact bro sorry not

People hyped Pucci as being the star of Stone Ocean but I found his motivations unrelatable and unnecessarily convoluted. His relationship with DIO felt like character assassination for someone who in previous parts was the epitome of a classical villain.

The problem with SDC is that while most of its fights set up stand rules and viewer expectations decently well despite some things getting written out, almost all of them are re-watchable after you've seen later parts, except for memes

About 90% of part 3 fights pale in comparison to everything in part 4, let alone 5 and 6

*unrewatchable

frick my editing fucked it up

>It was so bad that Araki had to reboot Jojo
factually wrong, when SO was being published Araki didn't even have plans to continue the series, he intended to end it all in SO, thats why the ending is absolutely KINO

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>His relationship with DIO felt like character assassination for someone who in previous parts was the epitome of a classical villain.
Did people gloss over how much respect Dio had for Vanilla Ice or what?

dio didn't share beds with vanilla ice and act like a sappy fag around him

user, this is the same guy who got into multiple women's pants across the world; he's going to know how important charming someone is.

cos vanilla ice is a bitch ass nigga

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He fucked pretty much everything, you could have told me he and Johnathan fucked before he became a vampire and I'd believe you.

>DIO has a god complex
>DIO becomes friend with a priest
retard.
Also, DIO wanting heaven had been foreshadowed back during SC with pic related

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Checked

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yea dud u really cutting to the core l 0 l mental bro. good one. 1000 fedora points for you, m'sir.

>There will always be people who are this big of faggots on this website.

i wonder what being anonymous means to your entire day yet you're calling others losers

Jojo did end technically, SBR/Jojolion are new stories that just share stands and character names.

Nah nigga
You don't know that. It was that bad he just wanted a way out. 6 is dogshit and I can't wait until the anime comes out so even the animeonlys will find out the truth.

None of them are really that good until Part 7 onward, they're just better than most Shonen. It's funny how the series as a whole became better around the time it stopped being serialized in Weekly Shonen Jump (Part 7, 2005 onward).

Generally speaking, the successive parts are better than their predecessors. I don't prefer Battle Tendency to Phantom Blood, but many people do, perhaps because it excites them more. The art improves about as early as this transition though, so that's one plus.

Stardust Crusaders is awful. Someone once said that the last 5 fights are good, but that flimsy defense really brought an already mediocre part down in my mind. Stardust Crusaders ran for about three years, correct? Imagine reading a comic filled with an upwards of 20 fights for three years and walking away thinking the last five fights made that experience worth it. They're pretty good fights too, and I can find even more to like than just those five fights, but overall, this is where JoJo is at its weakest.

Diamond is Unbreakable improves upon Stands in every conceivable way. Crazy Diamond is awesome, and Kira Yoshikage, Rohan Kishibe and Okuyasu are a joy. The premise is also a big improvement over Stardust Crusaders.

Vento Aureo is thematically rich in a way that hasn't been fully apparent since at least Phantom Blood. Giorno is a wonderful main character that establishes what he's about quickly and then goes on to elevate everyone around him. Personally, I like him better than Josuke. Where Vento Aureo suffers is the actual progression of events. It has a really weak final arc; the battle immediately preceding it felt much more engaging.

Stone Ocean incorporates the innovations of everything that came before it and improves upon them in its own way, but suffers from a terrible slog of a middle section. Jolyne has this in common with her father. But the Stands, on average, are better and the story is richer than anything preceding it.

Based.

>Says they weren't that good pre part 7
>Proceeds to praise almost every part barring 3

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>None of them are really that good until Part 7 onward
So basically just skip 1-6 and start with part 7?

>Generally speaking, the successive parts are better than their predecessors.

Probably shouldn't be expecting someone who speedreads manga to take their time with a Yea Forums post anyway.

You can do that and you might find it more enjoyable to do so. You miss virtually nothing but a few tongue and cheek call backs. They're easter eggs for the viewer to enjoy and have no bearing on the narrative as Steel Ball Run is completely divorced from the previous continuity.

ok, but that sentence doesn't negate the fact that despite the fact that you said parts pre part 7 weren't that good, you still had plenty of good things to say about most of them, again barring part 3. I'm not trying to be confrontational or anything, I'm mainly just confused.

>plebians still think liking part 7 is a patrician opinion

>Steel Ball Run is completely divorced from the previous continuity
It's almost like SBR was never meant to be a "Jojo" part to begin with.

I thought I did a good job measuring out highs and lows with the space allotted but maybe I didn't include enough bad to really clarify why none of them are exactly what you might call masterpieces.

Don't get me wrong, I like JoJo's Bizarre Adventure, but I really feel like, for the most part, JoJo is "refreshing" to people who are inundated with redundant and derivative Shonen serializations, which is what elevates it in the minds of readers and that outside of Phantom Blood, it never reaches the heights of truly great work or something I would consider a classic (like Phantom Blood) until Steel Ball Run. I dread the middle stretch of Stone Ocean every time I even consider re reading it, but at the same time I feel like it's the only part between 2-6 that comes close to that level.

Steel Ball Run is well written, has great artwork and is culturally rich. Preferring earlier JoJo to Part 7 for any reason other than emotional investment in a character or group borders on philistine.

I'm curious, do you think that Jojolion is as well written as Sbr or would you rank it on the same level as parts 1-6?

I think JoJolion is around the same level as Part 7 in that it is superior to everything that came before Part 7 but I don't know how to call it in relation to Steel Ball Run until it ends.

Meanwhile I consider part 6 just below part 7 as the middle section isn't that bad to me

YYM and the green baby encounter are hot trash, but Dragon's Dream is alright, and they're immediately nullified by Whitesnake: Pursuer anyway.

Part 4 is better written than part 7.

>dude, what if we gave Kira time powers for literally no fucking reason beyond him being the final villain of the arc without any kind of foreshadowing?

Kira is foreshadowed in the first episode retard

same guy as I think from Sugar Mountain up to the current chapter of JJL, Araki just hasn't stopped pumping out the quality.

Reread the post
>episode
oh wow, nevermind.

>dude what if we focus more on the characters but rush relationship development and even make some character become friends off screen

My only problem with JJBA right now is that I was evicted from a group I introduced JoJo to 8 years ago, while in the context of appreciating Yoshikage Kira (Part 8) so a very small part of me is afraid of what it will feel like to pick Jojolion up again. Which sucks because I really do think it's one of the best parts.

>first episode
top kek how do you btfo yourself this hard

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He already has killer queen in the first episode you absolute mongoloid. And yes I said episode because I only read part 6 in manga.

Killer Queen does not have Bites the Dust as early as episode 1.

>killer queen is a time travel stand

Didn't read "time" my bad

Araki started making Kira sometime in between RHCP and Reimi's introduction.

Everything before Kira's first appearance at the end of Reimi's intro is anime original

>I was evicted from a group I introduced JoJo to 8 years ago
Why?

Jolyne has a really nice design and is a nice character.

This was the gist of my very first post; Parts 1-6 steadily escalate in quality, but they still have problems. With the new continuity, all of these problems disappear.

Sorry didn't knew that

>mysterious gangster supposedly ''straightens Giorno's heart'' from a ruinous path
>he goes on to become a thief and scammer anyway
>the story is somehow oblivious to this and treats Giorno as a moral arbiter
VA was dumb as fuck and a waste of potential for Giorno as a concept.

nah you're just too much of a plebbit dogshit snorting serial killer to understand it.

>Everyone that disagrees with me is reddit

yeah now go back

>talks about plebbit
>defends plebbit: the part

>tumblr

>cornered golden fart Yea Forumsedditor starts naming off sites he frequents

>xforts

>cornered golden fart Yea Forumsedditor starts naming off his favourite sodomites

>hunter"chads"

Absolute state of Jojofags.

>I refuse to believe anyone would consider this fucking atrocity better than any of the other parts.
Have you seen Part 5?

Yeah I agree with you, especially how Johnny learns to walk again, because Diego Brando comes back with the world at the ending, and it doesn't help that Gyro gets killed by Valentine.