Lord El-Melloi II's Case Files

At best she would achieve mutual destruction.

Lmao no way
she would curbstomp any shirou except HF's

Servants are not that tanky. Rin's gems can kill any servant that doesn't have rank A magic resistance with direct hit. Rhon is more powerful than that.

Yeah too bad her lance is slow as fuck. She would never be able to hit anything with it.

Well yeah, servants are physically superior to her and she will lose in battle against them. But OP was asking if she is capable of killing one and she is.

so is all this shit happening a few weeks before the events of F/SN? I can never understand the timeline fuckery nasu pulls nowadays

Lancelot can't kill faeries, are you saying Lancelot isn't stronger than other servants?

Few months before FSN.

>AAAHHHHHH ISKANDAR DON T ROLL OVER ME WITH YOUR CHARIOT PLEASE IM DYING
lancelot ain't shit

What would have happened if Waver returned for the 5th GW?

Summoned Iskandar, assuming Medusa isn't summoned before that, and lost.

Rider was already summoned so he probably would have declined going. The whole point of him going was to fight alongside Iskander again.

>is another discussion about who is stronger
thats why fate is so hated u stupid faggots

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Can Rhon be traced?

No, it's divine construct.

Shirou's reality marble is basically True Magic and makes him Aozaki Aoko tier. Most magicians are weaker than Shirou.

>Shirou's reality marble is basically True Magic
No it isn't. It's a really, really powerful reality marble, but it isn't True Magic.

Kek. Not even close. Aoko can literally go back in time. She's essentially invincible.

It's a really shitty reality marble, actually. It just gives you a lot of weapons, it's up to you to use them, and the mana cost is absurd

Could she dodge a gay bulge?

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She doesn't have ability to change fate.

The difference between Blade Works and Blue is like the difference between a shotgun and a nuclear bomb. You wouldn't call the shotgun weak if you were facing down the barrel, but you wouldn't even have to pause and think about which is more powerful and destructive. The Blade Works is extremely powerful and unique, but I think the only magician that would have any problem with it would be Justeaze, and she was already considered frail by mage standards. Zelretch, Aoko, and whoever the 1st and 4th users are would probably find it insulting to even insinuate that they'd have a problem dealing with a reality marble.

Retard.

Sheero can't even use it without Rin's crest. Even if he trains his entire life. And Grey would rape him he was only able to fight Gil because muh perfect counter.

Rider ran a red light and hitca pedestrian. He should be arrested.

I don't think that's entirely true. I think they just needed it because there was no time. If he had time to actually practice and learn it may have become possible.

You can stop lying. Archer can download the true mastery of NPs from their original owner the moment he holds a NP.

When Shirou used Nine Lives, the Visual Novel emphasized it was Hercules holding the Stone Axe Sword high up in the air, not Shirou.

>AAAH RIDER PLEASE DEFEAT ALTER FOR ME

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAH SHIROU BEAT GILGAMESH FOR ME

As of right now? If she can hit them with Rhongobongo, yes. But she can't match the physically.
At the end of the novels? Certainly. She has a dragon core for massive mana gain, can spam Rhongobongo and in general is specced against spirits with Add and her past as a gravekeeper and servants are spirits.

>But she can't match the physically
that's such a meme cop-out though, considering:
>Shirou can keep up with Archer, Medusa and Gil
>Rin can keep up with Medea
>Kuzuki can keep up with Saber

>Shirou can keep up with Archer, Medusa and Gil
Reinforcement magic
>Rin can keep up with Medea
Medea is physically really weak even with her AoG physical reinforcement
>Kuzuki can keep up with Saber
AoG reinforcement magic

Come on, man. No way in hell Shirou's basic bitch level of magic can make his strength and speed be on the level of servants like Gilgamesh and Medusa

I'm sure there was something in the VN about his tracing giving him the user's skills, maybe strength too. It's been a while so I can't recall though.
Gil being such a jobber in close combat is dumb though especially when he's rather competent in it in the Fate route.

Can gray defeat bazett?

No

I forgot, where was he keeping up with Medusa again?

in UBW he fights her in the forest, and he is toe to toe with her for a bit until he gets btfo

lord el-melloi ii case files: who ate the pizza rolls

it was flat

Ah, that one. She set the condition for herself to hold back unless he uses command spell. She murders him very quickly in bad end where you make a choice of using it.

don't call gray flat, she's still growing

>AAHH GRAY CHAN SHE S SO CUTE AND PURE
>BUT SHE S STRONG TOO
>SHE HAS ARTORIA CHAN'S NOBLE PHANTASM
>SHE EVEN BECOMES LITERALLY ARTORIA BY THE END OF THE NOVEL
>BUT SHE S CUTE AND PURE
I fucking hate case files

this poster works for the holy church

why? that sounds better than original saber

>Rhongobongo
Yes.

Bazette would absolutely murder her. Straight up beats her in a fight, and if she pulls out Rhongo, gets Frag'd.

t. Enkidu

based

But she has the ability to make Lancer miss.
The Gay Bulge only takes whatever impossible path it needs to attain its destination.
If Lancer misses in the first place, it won't hit anybody.

Case Files would've been more or less perfect without this shitty saberface.

Well, she can, technically. But most upper/mid-tier Servants would probably beat her.

Shirou's Nine Lives was second rate and he needed Illya to bail him out at the last second.

No she doesn't. Once Gae Bolg's true name is announced, you're pretty much fated to get your heart pierced. Even Fragarach can't change that fate. The only way to avoid having your heart gouged out is either to have a high enough Luck stat to be able to overturn fate, or to block it head on with a conceptual armament that's explicitly strong against it.

Iskandar's chariot is OP, though.

>jobbed to saber

There's nothing shameful in being destroyed by strongest holy sword.

>excalibur
>strongest holy sword

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It's literally what's it's called multiple times in VN.

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The VN got retconned by nasu himself

No it didn't. Excalibur is still the strongest holy sword.

So which holy sword is strongest now then?

Bazett is retard strong. She would have walked her way to victory with Cu in the HGW

>all this power level wanking for a franchise where a character's power, defenses and other shit may have Ranks attached but are wildly variable by plot moment

Where does the word "Noble Phantasm" comes from ? Doesn't the Japanese say "artifact"?

Proto Excalibur haha

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balmung is stronger now friendos

Illya would've been a hard wall for her
if not then the kotomine /gil duo would end her

>didn't even beat Saber's retarded son's weaker sword.

>Apocrypha balmung

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Sieg's couldn't
siegfirend's balmung is EX
excalikeks BTFO

First off, Balmung is a Demonic Sword, not a Holy Sword. Second, it can't even beat an A+ Anti-Army Noble Phantasm.

Lancer with no master hold full power Gil for several hours. With Bazett, they would have find a way.
I agree on Berserker, but they could have waited for someone else to deal with him.

It's the standard Nasu brand of "everything has both a Japanese name and an English name". You should be used to this by now.

Treasured Tool = Noble Phantasm
Innate Bounded Field = Reality Marble
Projection = Gradation Air
Fantasy Realization = Marble Phantasm
Cup of Heaven = Heaven's Feel
Holy Grail War = Heaven's Feel
Faerie Eyes = Glam Sight

On top of that, nearly every Noble Phantasm with a foreign name will also have an alternative Japanese name:

Excalibur = Sword of Promised Victory
Unlimited Blade Works = Infinite Creation of Swords
Rule Breaker = All Spells Must Be Broken
Ea = Sword of Rupture
Enuma Elish = The Star of Creation that Split Heaven and Earth
Enuma Elish = O Humans, Let Us Bind the Gods

man, i feel like the literal japanese terms would make some of these things awkward but sensical, compared to the fancy english terminology that just pretties things up for the sake of making them sound cool

>Lancer with no master hold full power Gil for several hours
because gil was toying with him
slightly more serious gil would end the fight almost instantly with enkidu

EX just means it's outside of normal scale. What are its feats?

I doubt it. Bazett can't do shit against Gilgamesh. In the Fifth Holy Grail War, Bazett had a tone of bad matchups:
>Berserker: Hard wall and trying to beat the Einzberns in their own territory is almost impossible without a miracle.
>Caster: A very bad matchup all around. Caster would completely destroy Bazett while Lancer's busy dealing with Assassin. If Bazett tried to fight Kuzuki, she'd also probably die instantly.
>Assassin: See Caster
>Gilgamesh: The worst matchup for Bazett. Fragarach is useless against him. Not only would Gilgamesh see through Fragarach instantly, but since Gilgamesh tends to be reluctant to use his trump card (Ea), Bazett would pretty much just be dead weight in that fight. If anything, Lancer would have his hands full just trying to keep Bazett from getting skewered and he'd probably die even faster.

Don't assume that things would go well for Bazett just because she can fight a bit. She'd be able to easily deal with Shirou, Rin and Shinji, but the other half are hard walls for her. If anything, she'd be a distraction for Lancer in those fights.

Also, if she runs into and kills Shirou and Rin, she's pretty much fucked since they're honestly the only ones who can really deal with Gilgamesh.

There's no evidence of that, and Protection from arrows and his runes could be a problem for Gil. Yes, Enkidu would be a hard counter, but Gil often use his trump card when it's too late.

>New Case Files novel update today
Fuck ye-
>Translator unemployed and about to be deported from grorious Nippon, no updates till mid september.
GOD DAMMIT

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being of a higher rank then excalibur LMAo

Ah, you were just shit posting.

He didn't take shirou seriously because he was a human
he was more than willing to pull out EA for saber despite wanting to bone her
cu would get the servant treatment even worse than artoria's

>He didn't get the Sparks Liner High ending.
Failure as a human being.

Then explain why it took Gil that long ? He doesn't toy with valorous enemies.

Would protection against arrows work against Gil? This skill has problems when the arrow is NP. Or it meant only situations where true name is invoked?

>He doesn't toy with valorous enemies
debatable. But in the fate route he does basically nothing until the very end so he wanted to toy with lancer
If he was the only one standing between him and the grail, I don't see cu having any chance of winning

>The past is better than the present except for when it's not
>Humans can't take on servants except for when they can
>Magecraft isn't True Magic except for when it is
>An imitation can't beat the original except for when it can
Ah, Type shit.

>An imitation can't beat the original
no one ever said that
shirou liteally says it's false

>Caliburn vs Gram
Let's be real, Shirou should've fucking died in that fight.

Nasu does make rules just to break them.
>The past is better than the present except for when it's not
Not quite sure this was ever really presented

It kinda is. When it comes to mystery, older is generally better. Magi from the Age of the Gods and the Age of Faeries are in a completely different league from magi from the Age of Man. Medea alone is superior to any magus in the modern age. And Noble Phantasms tend to be more powerful the further back you go. Humans were also stronger back then in the physical sense and had a higher tolerance for mana due to living in a world where the mana in the atmosphere was thicker.

>Caliburn vs Gram
That's not imitation vs original. It's the case of older sword vs more modern version. Shirou was using exact copies of Gil's weapons in UBW.

Only if she gets lucky and the servant is being held back.

It's why I can't take Fate power and character competition debates seriously. Everything depends on the characters in that moment of time, and what they do. Someone could have a god-slaying hammer but the protagonist suicidally charges in and shanks them in the dick and wins with seven bad ends on the way.

>any magus in the modern age
what is aoko
hell I have doubts medea would beat touko

It was though. Shirou's copies would be more accurate imitations and they never actually beat Gilgamesh's OG NPs. If UBW wasn't somehow faster than GoB, Shirou would've definitely died, which he should have.

What I really wanna know is why does sword rain spam work for Gilgamesh but not for Archer? Like, it's the same fucking thing but Gilgamesh's is better and is actually effective why? Such bullshit just to justify why Archer is such a jobber.

Yeah, it's incredibly inconsistent and arbitrary. Things happen more for the plot than for any real reason.

>hell I have doubts medea would beat touko
Imagine believing this.

>AAAAHHHHHH RIN SAMA PLEASE DON T HURT ME

When the hell is Touko ever shown going Kung Fu princess?

Probably not mana efficient for Archer to do it. Gil just uses small amount of mana to open the gate and spam thousands at once while Archer has to pay mana to project each weapon of his. Or maybe he can't fire it at velocity of gate of babylon to make it as deadly.

Magi aren't about combat, they're about knowledge and skill. Medea is a far superior magus to Touko and especially Aoko. Aoko herself is a third-rate magus whose only specialty is blowing shit up.

Also, she'd wreck both of them either way.

>Q: It has been said that a certain Aozaki cannot even defeat a serious Caster, is this "certain Aozaki" Aoko Aozaki? Is this an assessment based on Aoko using True Magic?
>A: "A certain Aozaki" includes both Aoko and Touko. In a magecraft battle by modern standards, a "magus" who is capable of defeating a serious Caster does not exist.

All Touko can do is perform shallow mimicries of magecraft from the Age of the Gods. Medea can perform spells from that age as naturally as breathing. In particular, her High Speed Divine Words allow her to perform greater rituals with the same speed it would take for Rin to shoot a Gandr. In a battle of spells, no one in the modern era can outspeed Medea. She can shoot A-rank beams en masse as if it were nothing, whereas for Aoko to shoot an equivalent beam, she'd need to take a second or two to charge it up and can only shoot one at a time.

I meant that anything in the present could face the past. Like, anything ancient is super broken.

>Medea alone is superior to any magus in the modern age
Aren't guys like Zeltrich practically omnipotent?

There are actually magi out there who might be more knowledgeable than he is. Just being a Magician doesn't make you supreme. Zelretch is probably still inferior as a magus to the likes of Solomon or Merlin.

In terms of mystery, sure. But humanity will eventually surpass mystery.

Zelretch is Zelretch, man. It took everything in him to drop a Type and he still can't ever bring out the same fire to do it ever again.

He's the exception to the magus rule.

>In terms of mystery, sure. But humanity will eventually surpass mystery.
lol, when the fucking world ends

So if you summon medea and aren't a chad how do you get her to like you?

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Just pat her on the head, be a nice guy, and she'll be all over your dick.

Be nice to her, don't expect anything in return.

No he literally doesnt have the mana to manifest the Reality Marble. He can't train his magic circuits. Without Rin he is locked into projecting things one by one

You CAN train your circuits, what the fuck are you talking about? That world is something Emiya achieved in life. Emiya Shirou's circuits are explicitly geared almost exclusively towards generating that Reality Marble. They're near-worthless for anything else.

Eventually, Emiya Shirou will reach a point where he can form that Reality Marble on his own. Even Rin says so.

Archer could do it in his life, so clearly eventually so could Shirou.

If anything, Shirou will do it quicker than Archer because Archer was a Loner but Shirou is not afraid to ask for help and advice.

So does Luvia cuck Rin eventually in the UBW ending or do they make up and hatefuck each other with Shirou pulled into it?

I strongly doubt this'd be enough

Archer was still Shirou and he ended up going to London with Rin after the Grail War was over. Still, all three Shirous should have it easier. The first time Archer used Projection to reproduce a Noble Phantasm, he temporarily lost the use of one of his arms. None of the Shirous have had it quite that bad, so they should all be superior to he was at that age.

Nasu is a fucking sellout and nothing GO-related should be treated as canon by anyone with half a brain. Or are you telling me that its also canon that saber with a squirt gun is valid Archer?

All whip-arms had to do was fuck her in whatever way she asked, what do you think would be enough?

Gray can kill all my sperm inside her womb

Fate route Shirou might be the weakest since he cripples his magic circuits in Realta Nua.

Realta Nua stopped being canon when Sakura fucked Shirou on the big screen, mate.

Eh, he should still have about twenty circuits. He should be fine. He still achieves Unlimited Blade Works during his lifetime.

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Sakurafags finding a way to sound insecure and pathetic as always

Hf shirou post route is the absolute weakest piece of shit on the face of the earth

Ok user if you wanna play that game tell me how Nasu isn't a sellouy and that some random Japanese farmer dude that's associated with some other dude who's good with a sword is a valid Assasin? Or how about you show me Gil's cool bow that totally makes him an Archer? Or Redman's that he uses a grand total of 3 times? Nasu has always been a hack and you're just seething because FGO is having more fun with the franchise than you are.

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Not a Sakurafag, just saying it like it is. No fair one girl gets it while everyone else is just mana rituals.

we'll never hear the fucking end of it from newfags

He should be okay. The overall performance of his body is actually better, but his od circulation is still a bit fucked. That should improve with time. He never saw Gate of Babylon and he probably wasn't able to record everything in Archer's arm, so I doubt he'll ever be able to achieve the same level of ability as the others.

>with Rin
when is that stated ?

I can see your point with him being dead and all in the regular ending but he's Sakura the Gaping Hole to the Root's literal boy toy in the other one.

He could just visit museums that display historical weapons.

There are genuine Muramasa blades that still exist in Japan.

EMIYA being Archer is totally ok. His bow is stated to be his main weapon during his life as a hero and if there's one thing Shirou is actually a fuckton genius at, it's kyudo.

>Farmer dude
>Gil being an archer
Both are explained in-universe as being examples of how the rules of the HGW are frequently bent by the contestants in order to try to win. Gil qualifies as an "archer" because he has projectiles, and that random farmer was summoned as Sasaki because he happened to know Tsubame Gaeshi and he was a fake servant summoned under unusual circumstances. Archer's unwillingness to use a fucking bow comes from, you know, the fact that he's actually Shirou, the swordautist. By the same logic as Gil, he is summoned as Archer because of his propensity for projectiles, especially when he's not hiding his identity and spams flying swords just like Gil. Then again you know all of this, so i don't even know why i'm bothering to type it out.

FGO isn't having "fun" with the franchise, its downright disrespecting any consistency in flavor of putting out more and more slop for stupid pigs like you to chow on. Just assembly-line pump out incoherent servant after servant to get cash out of gambling-addicted morons like you. Genderbend every historical figure, Saber did it so it should be ok right? Retcon everything, make the grail summon girls in bikinis. I'm a real fan of the franchise, and one of the things i'm proud of doing as a fan who actually cares is denouncing Nasu on his sellout, souless, trashy ways. If death of the author must be called then so be it.

There are very few surviving Noble Phantasms in the modern era. I doubt any of Muramasa's good shit can be found in museums.

Dullahan, is that you?

I can name literally any other serious lorefag from BL but the Maybe I'm a Lion guy is the one that springs to mind.

Every single Reality Marble is kind of like that. Source: Roman in FGO, pretty much btfo Shiroufags trying to wank him.

>Unlimited Blade Works BD set II: Q: What was the Fifth Grail War that Heroic Spirit Emiya experienced in his lifetime like? Was the Archer summoned there also Emiya?
>Nasu: It was a world where the conditions at the beginning of the war were mostly the same, but something was missing. Shirou summoned Saber and fought until the end, didn't save Saber's heart but understood her, and they destroyed the grail together and parted... that's the image I have.
>Takeuchi: Ahh, so something like a Fate route Good End we didn't make in the game?!
>Nasu: Yeah, probably. After that, it's believed he cooperates with Rin who survived, and heads to London.

Shirou's one of the few modern magi that actually has a reality marble, though.

If you summoned archer as someone who was dragged in the war out of desperation how would he act?
Would he get you the grail?

Probably try and get you to back out of it while he took care of everything.

FGO.

What's the thing from the present that's better than the past?

Ok, forgot the very last part.

True but his Reality Marble is not some kind of special snowflake, every single of those are special snowflakes.

And?

>Rin will never be Cu's Master
It hurts.

Shirou is the ONLY modern magus that we know of with a Reality Marble, the rest being vampires.

Did you read America? The past and present are different in cons and pros, as far as humanity goes Roman thinks modern humanity is far superior to the past humanity because of their capacity for individuality (that also has world setting implication).

>what is EXTRA

No, at best you'd get some degraded shitty copy. He could probably analyse it though, he was able to analyse Excalibur (and traces it in HF Normal as well as Archer tracing it in Extra under different rules). The only thing that completely fucks his ability to analyse it is Ea.

Past is still bumfuck powerful then.

God-forged arms can't be replicated.

No, he can.

It's ten years to develop, then ten more years to master, per Nasu.

>user doesn't play FGO but he think his criticisms are valid anyway
>user implying Nasu had any internal consistency in the first place with the amount of asspulls that Shirou is responsible for
>Genderbend every history figure
>There's only 15 genderbended servants out of the 250 or so ingame which isn't counting alternate versions of the same characters
>Make the grail summon girls in bikinis. They aren't summoned by the grail you fucking dipshit they're summoned by chaldea and they changed their classes use rune magic fuckery. There are plenty of other genuine problems fgo has regarding inconsistent servant memories, 21st century servants, other plotholes but don't try to talk shit about something you evidently know nothing about dumb secondary

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The average modern Uruk shitter couldn't do much anything. There were more demigods and heroes around, but most people were sitting ducks. They also lived still on their pantheon gods cosmology and laws. It wasn't until the collapse of the Ages of Gods and turn to AD when humanity began to master the world's texture by their laws and observation. Such capacity was beyond them in the past.

He'd probably be the weakest, assuming he decides to develop it at all. He and Fate Shirou are about twenty years behind UBW Shirou, since UBW got the combo of Archer's UBW, skipping the years of development and mastery, AND got to directly clash with GoB, AND has Rin traveling around with him most of the time.

are you seriously defending they can just change the classes whenever the fuck the feel like

soka

It's shit.

ignore the fgo shitter, he'll go to his cheap ass special adaption thread

He literally traces and projects a degraded Excalibur in HF Normal, and that's also a Divine Construct. No, he'll never get the same level as even his regular projections, but I don't buy Rhongo being completely impossible until we actually see it fail, like we see it fail with Ea.

but rin summons cu

Plus, travelling with Rin as lover isn't the same as "cooperating" with her.

>He says as class fuckery/changing was also a thing in Extra/CCC and Apocrypha

There might be weapons with similar abilities in stock.

Nah, it was an NP like Excalibur but not Excalibur despite looking exactly like Excalibur.

fucking nasu

She didn't, EXTRA doesn't exist.
I want a 4th route where Rin makes a contract with Cu after killing Kotomine.

I'n going through Heaven's Feel right now and holy shit the endless cooking scenes meme is right. Why the fuck are all of Sakura's scenes inane mundane shit relating to food?

>extra
>apocrypha
>taking either of those as a thing that's actually looked upon in a good light within the fandom
lol

The fuzzed out CG was probably a placeholder.

in extra archer tells you he would've liked you to use a command seal to turn him into a berserker

Because being a stereotypical house wife is the only trait she has.

To make it simple:
How the world looks like is due to whoever is in charge. And what laws are made up by the majority in charge.

In the past, there could have been nine suns in the sky IF the gods of that certain area thought that was the 'truth' and humans were none the wiser to accept it. They didn't exist as individuals outside the god's rules and laws. In the modern world, the planet is under one single texture and answers to the laws of men and their observation. That is more impressive triumph of men than "woah this nigga can break down mountains!" when those were very handful examples and usually from those who weren't 100% humans. Normal humans suffered as fodder.

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Aw fuck.

>within the fandom
lmao

And now all humans are fodder. Don't see your point, man.

I am pretty sure that Apocrypha was a the effect of a noble phantasm not when ever the fuck they feel like.
You are talking about Vlad right when he was forced to change into a vampire that was the class change right?
Also can't comment on Extra/CCC haven't finished Extra cause the game play is terrible but I doubt it as casually as FGO

He's a walking mess of insecurities, so Kirei would eat him alive.

Which one?

>user doesn't know how well liked extra is in nipland
>the fandom
>the same fandom that keeps any translations withing circlejerking sekrit clubs
Your secondary is showing

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I doubt rider is the only compatible iskandar class

No, now humans control the environment and texture of the planet and forced all the phantasmal and divine beings to fuck off to the other side of the world.

Well that's still not whenever the hell the servant feel's like having to use a command spell is a big deal though. I didn't think command spells could do shit like that.

Wait a minute : Servants change classes midway in FGO ?

Volume 3 on Boy's Love. It's the part where Touko mops the floor with everyone.

Taking those as supporting facts for some shit that happened in a mobage is more or less my point.

Also, those are entirely their own things. Extra being some weird database or something and Apocrypha being written by someone who wasn't Nasu. The class changes made by Chaldea wouldn't be a big deal if the weren't fucking retarded.

No, it's just a fanservice summer event. You're not supposed to be taken it seriously.

you have to be nipon to be primary now?

Not a very versatile Heroic Spirit.
On a side note, is Cuchulain the most versatile Heroic Spirit? I can't think of a single class he cannot be summoned as.

What's up with all the ESLs in this thread? Is it FGOniggers again?

They're called gag events you moron. Did you rage autistically when Neco-Arcs started showing up in Melty Blood?

>People are unicronically thinking meme summer costumes are supposed to be canon at all or plausible in any way

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It's an event. Nasu doesn't consider events as part of the main story but fucking "if" scenarios, you know like Cu working on a flower shop. Stop taking it seriously.

Not that user, I haven't read or watched much of Apocrypha, but I don't think Vlad class changed with Legend of Dracula.

Semiramis did dual class as Assassin/Caster though, IIRC.

but MHX shows up in the Solomon singularity so events are canon.

Heracles qualifies for all normal classes except Assassin.
Cu Chulainn qualifies for Saber, Lancer, Rider, Caster and Berserker. Unknown if he qualifies for Archer or Assassin.

If we're going by old FSN assassin rules, then Cu can't be an assassin

did she I don't remember that but I guess I don't remember Apocrypha very well.

That's really only because the Fuyuki Grail is shit.

They CAN be, problem is that Hassan will be summoned instead

He qualifies for Archer, but not for Assassin.

I don't play Melty so I wouldn't have known that.
they said also taking it seriously

dude who first brought it up was being serious too so i don't understand why you're all so pissed at something that doesn't really involve the rest of you fgo shitters

>Archer
Gil is an archer because he throws projectiles.
Cu's weapon is a javelin/spear.

And Cu isn't Hassan, so technically he can't be summoned as Assassin. Even by current summoning rules, I don't think Cu has anything on him relating to assassinations.

It literally is. She'll plot your murder at the first sign of distrust towards her, but her history of getting fucked over makes her incredibly starved for any form of companionship built around honesty and trust. Even if you summoned her for the express purpose of fucking her, you'd still have fairly good chances as long as you were honest about it, and seriously tried to court her, instead of abusing command spells or anything of the sort.

Why not? Didn't he murdered his own son at some point?

Just got to vol 5 of the novel. So Waver suspect Gray is a descendent of Morgan? I m gonna have to reread these parts again.

King Arthur, if she were a normal Heroic Spirit, would probably qualify for Saber, Lancer, Rider, Assassin and Shielder.

>Saber: Excalibur
>Lancer: Rhongomyniad
>Rider: Prydwen, Llamrei
>Assassin: Carnwennan, Gwenn
>Shielder: Prydwen, Llamrei

>[events] are just “Ifs”, alternate developments where “this might have happened”
Trash heap IS an Extra-fanservice chapter as surprise. Also no swimsuitshit got in Solomon even in the TRASH heap, it's below garbage tier.

I love Neko Arc

So your saying Trash heap isn't canon?

Also Berserker but it'd be her worst class by far, considering flying into a thoughtless rage is how she lost Caliburn.

It's different in Fate. Saber lost Caliburn due to something Merlin did.

Herc does qualify for Assassin
The only class he can't be is Caster

i would let her kill me

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Reines is cute and will win the Waverbowl!

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Heracles in Strange Fake was class changed from archer to avenger, but it took three command spells, a fuck ton of grail mud, and a grail system that was fucked up to begin with.

yeah another words only in fgo can they change classes so casually.

It's really only used for the fanservice swimsuit variations.

Just say you hate summer events and be done with it already.

I already said the problem is MHX appearance in Solomon implies events are canon.
Unless your saying Trash heap isn't canon and they put a non canon section in the middle of a canon singularity that is the big finale of part 1 of the main story.

"Don't think about it too hard".

But Kintoki can change class at will as seen during the Barbatos fight. Also Jekyll but I guess that's part of his NP.

Rider Kintoki is a reference to Kamen Rider, belt and all. So when Kintoki transformed into his Rider version, it's a reference to how Kamen Riders transform. It's a gag.

it being a gag doesn't excuse how stupid it is.

>I don't have a sense of humor.
I know. You don't have to keep reminding us.

>human is stronger than the strongest servant
Humanitybros we won

when will you people learn humor/gags is not an excuse for shit writing

>expecting good writing in Fate anything
>let alone the mobile phone gatcha game

>I have a stick up my ass
I can see that.

are you retarded the gag is still part of the story and affects the story you can't hand wave shit as just being a gag.

Waver is 100% a homosexual, he was listing after Iskander's cock. He doesn't react to a cute Chuuni, the cute Japanese police mage, his cute imouto, or Grey. If anything he tells Grey to cover herself because he hates her face. He also smokes a cigar, which normally doesn't make you gay but with his longing for Iskander, he's practicing smoking pole.

"Don't think too hard about it".

Nasu's always mixed in some of the gag and serious stuff since Kagetsu Tohya and Melty Blood. If you can't accept that, you should either remove the stick up your ass or maybe you should check some other franchise instead because he'll keep doing this in the future as well.

Tell me exactly where a swimsuit servant has shown up in any of the singularitys, remnants, or lostbelts

He's upset about Kintoki changing from Berserker to Rider on camera to fight with the other event servants.

Kiyohime Lancer shows up during the main quest in Babylonia when you are getting to know the town.

haven't read either of those two so I can't comment on any of their gags but I wasn't complaining about gags in general you dumbfuck.
I was complaining how to retarded is for servants to be able to casually switch classes.

>with the other event servants.
No, he explicitly appears during the Barbatos fight, together with the London servants, the event servants appear on the Andromalius battle. Is Barbatos not canon?

Well not main story but New Year 2019 is a must-be-happened event since that's when neoChaldea started doing rayshift again. In this event, Tamamo Caster turned into her swimsuit Lancer form.

That's part of the gag. Here's the thing, you dumbfuck: Nasu has this occasional habit of throwing obvious gags into otherwise serious stories, gags which clearly don't fit in with the tone or world in which the story normally takes place in. This is something he just does. If you don't like it, fly to Japan and burn down TYPE-MOON's offices or something.

>user confirming that he can't even read names

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It was just a class switch dude, it didn't canonize the oni events as things that happened for certain. Calm down.

funny I don't remember shit like this in fate/zero or in fate/stay night

Seiba?

Why didn't they just use normal Kiyohime then?

Sure why not? Rhongo bongo is a top class NP and it's not like servants are super tanks or anything.

Nasu didn't write Fate/Zero. And while admittedly it doesn't really crop up in Tsukihime or Fate/stay night, it does happen in Kagetsu Tohya, Melty Blood, Fate/hollow ataraxia, Fate/EXTRA and, of course, Fate/Grand Order. Whenever he gets the chance, he likes to blur the lines between serious and comedy.

Gray can't really use its full power. Ordinarily, Rhongomyniad is an A++ Anti-Fortress Noble Phantasm that's powerful enough to gouge out entire villages. Gray's version is nowhere near that class.

I know Nasu didn't write Fate/Zero you were saying this shit infected the entire franchise.
As for Fate/hollow ataraxia it had the excuse of whatever happened with Rin messing with the second magic.
Plus I am not sure if shit like the Taiga quizzes were supposed to be canonically part of the story.
Plus fate Hollow ataraxia was mainly just dumb fun rather then much focus on the story.

well saber's excalibur is just excalibur while proto arthur's excalibur is the legit version which is the sword of promised victory. or some other stupid fate/shit

that's not how it works. it is literally cause and effect reversed, your cause is your heart is pierced, and the effect is that the lance takes any path to reach it, no matter what.

like said, you can only overturn it with luck, and/or a hard counter. or be herc

It's ranked EX, but Proto Saber can't unveil its full power without undoing at least seven of its thirteen seals, so we've never really seen what it can really do. Saber's Excalibur's the same; it has its own set of seals that Saber has never been able to fully undo.

No he only used Ea on saber because she had a weapon that was "worthy" the sword of promised victory, which is also a divine construct.

Gil only uses Ea on anyone "worthy" and he sees Cu as the dog that his name implies.

So is Marisbury an ayylmao or what

so when is that diamond coming out of your ass, cuz that coal has to have been there for a while.

Please tell me Grand Saber WON'T be a Saberface

>revealing he never read cu's legend.

Excalibur is actually broken in terms of sheer power. It isn't the best weapon for HGW, but it is insanely powerful due to it's nature. It damn killed Sefar, who killed a lot of Gods and was quite successful.
It is as broken as Rhongo, just that we didn't see what kind of broken things it is capable of.

Most of Excalibur's power is still sealed. We've never seen its full power.

Well he might be the self-proclaimed God of the Foreign Star aka the main antagonist of Part 2 but nothing so far implies he is an alien.

According to an old datamine, Grand Saber's VA is Kawasumi Ayako but since it's just datamine, take it with a grain of salt then.

Excalibur is stronger than Rhongomyniad at peak performance, but it's more difficult to use.

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The REAL Excalibur, which has only been used against Sefar. Neither Artoria nor Arthur seem to have the real Excalibur. It probably belongs to Grand Saber.

Gray's Rhongo can punch holes through a mountain. She's good.

Not only will it be a Saberface, it's going to be Last Episode Artoria, Rex Quondam, Rexque Futurus, returned from Avalon in Britain's Darkest Hour to save the world.

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Please stop spreading misinformation. It's the same Excalibur. Literally said in Extella that it's the same weapon and they are called the sword that saves the world. They just have multiple seals to prevent their full power.

The one who was recognized by Archimedes in Extella? The literally same one, with the same sword? Right, okay.
That would actually be cool.

Amen, brother

That's still the sealed form. Gray doesn't do any of the Restraints of the Round Table. As she's not truly King Arthur, she can only use the nerfed version.

Yes but Artoria's not the one to wield it to its fullest extent. Same item, different noble phantasm activation, like Rhongomyniad between Gray and Artoria.

It would be odd if Grand Saber didn’t have an unsealed Excalibur. If not Saber herself, maybe The Lady in the Lake?

We don't really know who wielded it, but as far as I'm aware, the only owners of Excalibur are King Arthur or the Lady of the Lake. I suppose it could have been Vivian.

No you nigger, Archimedes literally says it's her, the same person who BTFO Sefar, in Extella.

And yet Sefar only recognizes the sword and not the person holding it?

All humans look the same.

What scene are you referring to?

Saber never meets the Sefar in Extella iirc.

>Saber's sword/lance is the super-strongestest weapon ever made with power to defeat all servants and gods and aliens but you need to unlock its powers by releasing its 13 seals placed by the ultamist wizards to hold back its immense ultimate strongestest power

When the hell did Fate become this chuuni shit?

Mate I seriously have to wonder if you have any idea what the Fate series even is to be asking that question.

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When Medusa starts wearing BDSM gear, Gilgamesh starts magically shooting swords from a pocket dimmension, and the MC has to fight his future self that wants to get rid of his past mistakes. I guess a Genderbent king arthur with a cool invisible sword and wind magic would be pretty chuuni too eh?

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Gray:
>Rhongomyniad: The Lance Which Shines to the Ends of the World
>Rank: A+ (Originally A++ but receives a rank down to the Gray's inability to access its true power)
>Category: Anti-Fortress Noble Phantasm
>Range: 1~99
>Maximum Targets: 100 units

Lancer Alter:
>Rhongomyniad: The Lance Which Shines to the Ends of the World
>Rank: A++ (EX)
>Category: Anti-Fortress Noble Phantasm
>Range: 1~99
>Maximum Targets: 1000 units

Lancer:
>Rhongomyniad: The Lance Which Shines to the Ends of the World
>Rank: A++ (EX)
>Category: Anti-Fortress Noble Phantasm
>Range: 1~99
>Maximum Targets: 900 units

Grand Saber might end up being Galactica Saber considering we still know very little about her so they can bullshit more stuff.
>Galactica Saber is the "ultimate Saber" who ruled the oceans of a radiant planet from the distant skies. She is said to be the "Saber of Sabers" that every Saber-user dreams of. She boasts of her ability to fight space monsters unassisted.
>NP: Laser Excalibur (Anti-Space), Curly Hair Sword Antenna, Starlight Champs-Élysées

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Absolutely not happening and you're silly for suggesting it.

To be fair, Excaliba was always presented that way. But we got used to it being used as a beam laser sword and just kind of "regular" destructive force.