Why is modern isekai so shit in terms of story, music and production value? I can't think of a modern isekai where I've felt that the world is fully actualized. The closest I can think of is Youjo Senki, but even then it still feels like the world and politics only exist for the protag rather than being in existence in and of themselves.
Why is modern isekai so shit in terms of story, music and production value...
Oliver Ward
Cooper Lee
It's the little things: like the art direction that help to make a world feel complete. Pic related
Angel Anderson
I juts want to say that Escafowne's story was boring as fuck by-the-numbers shoujo tripe.
Elijah Turner
For more context on that pic: the art makes the room feel lived in : there are cracks in the wall, different colorization in the paint, which gives a sense that it wasn't necessarily painted by a professional or by someone who was trying to paint for aesthetic. The wood on the windowsill, the support and on the floor have different colors, which suggest usage and the passage of time for that room. Lastly, there's a map in the left corner. There's no reason for their to be a map in terms of the story, but there is in terms of creating a real world. This is someone's living quarters at a frontier fort, so they'd probably have interest in a map and remembering/visualizing the geopolitical makeup of Gaia.
Ryan Robinson
Escaflownw was only good because of its animation but the characters were mediocre and the story a shitty mess
Thomas Thomas
What modern isekai even has good characters or a good story?
Hudson Johnson
Rezero is way better and its modern.
Owen Rodriguez
I agree that the idea of the story is more interesting but the characters are terrible and the execution is lackluster.
Christopher Carter
Re:Zero has an interesting premise, but that is it. The characters are extremely 2D, and come off as written by a person who's never stepped outside their apartment and interacted with real people. Everything about it feels like shameless wish fulfilment with a plot that relies too heavily on shock value rather than anything substantive
Wyatt Davis
Juan Morgan
Shit stories will get shit treatment.
Aaron Kelly
Because it's escapism stories that answer certain demands and do it well, making majority of isekai content shallow, but popular.
Also most of isekai anime adaptations are just publisher-funded novel/manga promos to sell source material better, hence the Quality.
Mason Phillips
Lotm
Chase Clark
I'm reading it right now. It's pretty good but I just wish it would pick up it's pace more.
Jace Ortiz
What is lotm?
Logan Barnes
Log Horizon
Joshua Morgan
Menace for delicate young communist minds.
John Morgan
Reminder that wish fulfillment is bad. Work to fix this shitheap of a world instead of dreaming of something that will never be in a way that will turn you into a raging sociopath.
Robert Roberts
You know who actually worked to change this shitheap of a world out of pursuit for simpler lifestyle? Ted Kaczyński, so you might want to rethink which group raging sociopath refers to.
Anthony Lee
>Work to fix this shitheap of a world
>ruin your health, career, never live to see results
Fucking why? It doesn't want to be fix in fact various groups in power would very much like it to stay broken and I'm not about to throw my bones on their walls just to get random anonymous approval on polynesian roof-thatching forum.
Evan Hughes
No, thanks.
Adrian Evans
>I can't think of a modern isekai where I've felt that the world is fully actualized
Lurk more.
Luke Morales
nice bait
Carson Torres
>shitting on Overlord worldbuilding
Kill yourself retard.
Ethan Long
because thats what the industry is leaning on for profit, so yeah you are going to get the lack luster.
Adrian Parker
One day, To Be a Power in the Shadows will get a OPM season one-tier adaptation, and it'll dab on every single person who ever said anything bad about isekai, rising to the top 10 list of all time. Screencap this.
Lincoln Bell
Escaflowne apparently exists now only to be a compulsory attachment to that buzzword and make comparisons. Fuck that shit. You already confirmed a hundred times that it is something else, made for different audience, with different goals and different production values. It defied genres and demographics even in its time, why do you force it in the same group as something that didn't exist until a few years ago, doesn't continue its tradition or even look back at it. Nobody who does isekai today even remembers what you call "classic isekai" or whatever.
Nathan Rodriguez
I'm gonna list things which would make any isekai better
>Magic is really rare and subtle like in Tolkien's works; Gandalf was reluctant to light a simple fire in the blizzard despite the hobbits being close to hypothermia because "anyone with an inkling would know that they were here"
>No game mechanics or tropes whatsoever
>If the MC does get someone to fall for him, he should have a reason better than ABSOLUTE DENSITY to not fuck them - for example, not wanting to pair up with an elf because she and their offspring would be shunned by her family, or because she might be infected with his curse, or because he doesn't want to get close to someone and lose them like before, or because it's too dangerous for her to follow him around, or because it's physically impossible for either or both parties
>the MC and this troupe should sometimes suffer major setbacks and death around him, even be permanently disfigured, and not in a cool way like one eye sliced shut - more like missing half of his jaw, teeth sticking out and drool accumulating inside his scarf
Nicholas Powell
Are you Korean? Because you sound Korean.
>muh suffering hardships death death shame curse wounds piss dripping through catheter into tank
Nolan Sanchez
I should've just included a disclaimer that it shouldn't be some edgy shit like Abyss. You're just reading too much into it.
Angel Garcia
>boring as fuck by-the-numbers shoujo tripe
I think it actually would've been an improvement if that was the case. All these years on and I still have no idea why the show was so well-received.
James Gutierrez
>permanent, crippling or uglifying damage
Nobody, not even edgefest like Berserk dares to do that. When it happened to Griffith, he got reborn as a god. It is slowly happening to Guts but he still looks cool. People don't wanna look at cripples and monstrous looking characters, especially if they are on screen all the time.
Jeremiah Hernandez
I don't know what you are trying to say. That it wasn't shoujo enough to be a shitty shoujo? Also, all these years and
>people still like what I don't like
Asher Perez
He could always wear a mask and have an actually good reason for it for once. Besides, it doesn't look THAT bad if you have a hole in your cheek, or missing a part of your jaw. Just weird + some visible teeth on the side.
Jayden Bailey
People obsessed with status quo are the cancer of storytelling
Jaxson Cooper
How about isekai but you stay and look the same loser you always were. The elves and goblins alike laugh at you and are disgusted by you. Resigned, you hikkikomori in a dark cave in the woods, going out only when you absolutely have to. You miss amazon and food delivery and realize your shit Earth life was not so bad after all.
Logan Murphy
None of that applies to me though. Except that I only need two steps from the door to be innawoods.
Anyway, I don't think that a survival isekai would be too interesting.
Nolan Collins
Why do you automatically self-insert if your life is so great?
Cooper Stewart
Charles Sanchez
I think I'd rather get disfigured in an adventure.
Jose Lewis
It's not an isekai exclusive. A lot of stories in general, modern as well as old have this issue.
Good world buliding is the excaption not the rule.
Alexander Gutierrez
PERFECT
>Instant painless death by truck, train or overwork?
>Fuck no: MC dies excruciating death from salmonella
>Isekaied by God?
>Fuck no: MC is tortured by demons between dimensions for 10 years before being released in isekai
>Cheats?
>Fuck no: MC gets to be his weak human self again only that base stats of literal rodents is higher than his in isekai
>Waifus?
>Fuck no: the only female that showed sympathy to MC is NTRed under his nose and he has to watch her get fucked by a chad repeatedly
>Perfect body health?
>Fuck no: steroid rats chew MC leg, cheek and eye off day 1
>Adventuring?
>Fuck no MC is cleaning gutters from dawn till dusk
>Magic?
>Fuck no it's bloodline specific and MC is outsider and also requires special cerebral calculation unit that all local sentients developed during evolution
>Earth Knowledge?
>Local culture and magitech doesn't need much progress for comfortable life and everything MC tries to introduce is laughed at before being destroyed and literally shat on
ISEKAI
Caleb Morales
Psuedo RPG Isekai has already peaked, I want to see the next trashy trend already.
Andrew Watson
The animation was inconsistent though. That's why I want a remake.
Bentley Watson
I'll be completely honest: That's what makes a story interesting. A story where a protagonist steamrollers everything is not fun.
The most compelling isekai novel I've read is 'Hard to Be a God', a Russian story. Basically, a Russian cosmonaut is dropped into a medieval European society to try and uplift them, but he finds that the society is developing into a fascist theocracy.
He has an unlimited amount of gold, is an incredible swordsman (He even dual-wields) and he has countless gadgets and futuristic devices to accomplish his mission. He ultimately fails, big-time, and all he can do is to armor up and cut a swathe of destruction to kill the apparent tyrant (at this point, it's pointless) after his love interest gets shot full of crossbow bolts.
Jayden Butler
>That's what makes a story interesting
See >A story where a protagonist steamrollers everything is not fun.
See >Target isekai audience is already helpless to escape vicious cycle of working themselves into suicidal depression. Why would they want to read about hard stuff in their free time?
>Russian story
Holy shit our entire history is suffering, the cosmic purpose of russian people is processing solar energy into suffering.
You could not have picked more obvious example sufferfag.
Fuck off with your shit it's not needed in isekai go read manga where authors suicides before finishing because he took a take too heavy.
If your life is so perfect that you're light years removed from suffering and need to get your fix elsewhere - what the fuck are you doing here?
If not - why would you want to read about MORE suffering? Are you retarded? An M?
Luis Baker
Kill yourself trannies.
Isaiah Parker
It's people who think going straight down the opposite end that is brutal realism and thinking just because it's nothing but suffering that makes it good.
Logan Rodriguez
>Magic is really rare and subtle like in Tolkien's works
It's boring. As long as the writer is competent enough, he could make his isekai a battle of gods with reality altering powers and it would still be good.
Christopher Sanders
Because its not a proper fantasy world, its just an excuse to fulfill and base the male power fantasy which is isekai.
David Nguyen
>implying proper power-fantasy for self-inserting didn't exist before isekai
Retard.
Thomas Cook
Can you even read?
Isaac Brown
This is the best isekai ever made. Modern isekai are all the same and it gets old quickly.
Lincoln Smith
WITH ARMS WIDE OPEN
Dominic Rodriguez
>fulfill and base the male power fantasy which is isekai
Yes retard fantasy did that ages before isekai.
Isaac Garcia
You must be fasting since that one time you ate exquisite cuisine at Italian restaurant 20 years ago because nothing is quite up to it's standards.
Chase Watson
How dumb can you be? I said it was a basic-ass male power fantasy, not that it created the concept you fucking mongoloid. Learn to read before pulling shit out of your ass.
Jacob Kelly
>How dumb can you be?
I once ate entire tube of toothpaste.
Nathan Green
Have you ever noticed that what is considered some of the best literary works are filled with trials, tribulations and loss?
Having characters struggle to achive their goals and overcome obsticles is quite essential if you want to write a compelling stoy. In other words suffering is engaging, it's something every single human being except the most cuddled and protected people can relate to.
What I'm trying to say, is that there is a reason iskeai appeals to the lowest to common denominator.
Justin Price
>what is considered
By whom? Pretentious elitist cunts?
You're really unironically using bandwagon argument on Yea Forums Yea Forums?
>trials, tribulations and loss
So is life of target isekai audience. Why would they want to read about it even in their free time? What possible sane reason could there be to take the depressive shit they are subjected to at work and in society, home with them?
>is that there is a reason iskeai appeals to the lowest to common denominator.
Nah you just take shallow pride in placing yourself above it even though you actually simply deny yourself simple pleasures.
Just fuck off mate you can't produce bait good enough to satisfy me anymore.
Thomas Wilson
One simple reason: because in stories, unlike real life much of the time, the good guys might actually win. It is why you need a compelling conflict to make it seem as if it will emulate life in all its banal cruelty. Anything too easy rings false, and if that sort of escapism is what someone wanrs, then they may as well kill themselves.
Eli Fisher
>By whom? Pretentious elitist cunts?
Stop sounding like a faggot from reddit. No it's a standard most people hold, I'm not using the standards universality as the argument, I asked why do you think it is this way, and I then explained to you why it is that way.
>What possible sane reason could there be to take the depressive shit
What kind of cuddled pampered man child must you be to find overcoming hardship depressing? The entire point is that the trails are overcome you concave skulled retard, I'm not the guy advocating for Russian level naratives with no light at the end of the tunnel
>Nah you just take shallow pride in placing yourself above it even though you actually simply deny yourself simple pleasures
I don't, I'm a moe-solfag. I just know that what I view for escapism is utter shit.
Nolan Stewart
>No it's a standard most people hold,
Okay retard, stopped readong there.
Sebastian Sullivan
It is really quite telling that you don't understand that I'm not using the fact that it's a popular standard as an argument.