Jojo

It's a fucking terrible ending, only extreme vatards like it

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>every ending before it tells us what the characters were up to afterwards
>skips to giorno being the boss because apparantely if you kill the last you get to be the next one
Terrible ending

Giorno didn't want sacrifices though

what difficult decisions?

and fucking died

just that facial expression makes me hate giorno a bit more

If only Purple Haze feedback was canon

Rohan OVA Incoming youtube.com/watch?v=0FEZTAtrqsU

>>skips to giorno being the boss because apparantely if you kill the last you get to be the next one
Girono has an invincible Stand, him subduing every other Passione capo is not something worth showing on screen.

But not everyone in Passione are stand users

No, but they turned out to be necessary
Abbachio risking his life for the replay
Polnareff activating Requime even tho he knew what a destructive power it is
The scene where they have to find out who the Boss is hiding in
Bruno's final sacrifice

This only makes it easier. Giorno becoming the boss of Passione is not that hard to imagine.

Giorno deciding to stick to his homosexual ideals despite having to hang around with the succubus known as Trish.

protagonists beating antagonists is not that hard to imagine, should the entire show be skipped then? your logic is so awful, youre making terrible excuses just to cope this fucking hard

>ah yes, after defeating Diavolo and closing all character arcs we should have had 3 more episodes with Giorno going from capo to capo to announce hismelf as the boss.
I swear to gods you guys have absolutely no idea about what makes a good story

seething

Why are Shonenfags like this? why do you want every single event to be shown directly on screen even when the character arcs have been finished and the tension of the final confrontation has been defused?

shit taste.

Yea Forums is populated by brainlets,nothing new

jjl chapter 89 when?

Vatards everybody

Autism, lads, it’s the autism. No one bitches about Phantom Blood ending with Erina and the baby floating in a coffin with the story just telling you she made it. No one ever talks about fucking Phantom Blood in general, but that’s a whole other issue.

Dilate.

Funny how the people who bitch about the ending never give any ideas for how it could be improved.

>fandom
Fucking retarded cunt.
The conclusion to the arc was alright, though, even with the asspull.

They want Diavolo and Giorno ora ora-ing eachother for 3 episodes straight.

You're fucking retarded. How about adding a scene where the narrator says what the characters did later like almost every past part? How about a scene where we see Giorno using Diavaolo's goons take over? Nope, part 5 is already perfect that's what my jojotubers said, Yea Forums must be full of dumdums that are too silly to understand golden fart's genius

cope vaspics

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>3 more episodes
2 minute montage would have been more than enough but noo you can't have a satisfying conclusion because people know retards like you will eat anything up with no questions asked
>>Shonenfag
>implying
also
>character arcs have been finished
showing a single frame of girono sitting on a throne isn't called"""finishing""" his arc. also the problem here is that not only did they not show the process but didn't even say a word about it either. giorno becoming a mob boss is a pretty important fucking plot point, even you can agree, and just dropping that shit with no explanation is unsatisfying and lazy, stop coping and admit that VA ending is shit

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>I want everything spelled out for me with no regard to character arcs or pacing

>talks about pacing
>defends giorno becoming boss just like that
dumb shonenspic

>>with no regard to character arcs or pacing
ah yes, of course adding 1 more minute at the end of the series would fuck up the pacing and character arcs entirely.
VAtards everybody, this is why you don't watch jojotubers

Giorno became boss
Mista became his right hand man
Polnareff remanied in the turtle as an adivsor to them
The only one not shown is Trish, but she most likely returned to being a normal person as before.
I don't understand what else you fags want.

Where is your argument ?

>Giorno became boss
yes
>Mista became his right hand man
headcanon based off of nothing
>Polnareff remanied in the turtle as an adivsor to them
headcanon based off of nothing
>The only one not shown is Trish
none of them are
here

Yes because Rolling Stones wasn't spelling out the themes of the part in the most basic bitch way possible

>>Mista became his right hand man
>headcanon based off of nothing
>>Polnareff remanied in the turtle as an adivsor to them
>headcanon based off of nothing
you are confirmed retarded, it's literally shown in the end credits scene

Ah yes, opening the window is a task reserved for the right hand, the turtle being in the means he's the advisor mhm

Never watched the adaptation but in manga 5's final battle was certainly the best part of the whole thing.

Yes because we clearly see Polnareff advising Giorno

Come on, it's so obvious, afterall Polanreff the moralfag we know from part 3 would know so much about running a gang! and he wouldn't have any problems with working with the seed of the devil either

It is obvious because we know Polnareff recognizes them as good people who were casted out from society and he DID work with them. Plus he was worried about the crime increasing in Europe, luckily Gio wants to unfuck it as well

lmao araki just realized at this point that king crimson was literally unkillable in a straight up fight, and had them play hot potato with the arrow

>literally unkillable
literally untrue, DIO would btfo wussvolo, youliterally can't argue with this

the worst part is that king crimson won that game of hot potato, but araki gave Diavolo the biggest fuck you in the series and didn't give him KC requiem

Honestly with the Captain Tsubasa Team freed up and Fire Force only being 24 Episodes plus the OVAs releasing this year. I am leaning towards Stone Ocean being annouced in Summer 2020 and released Fall 2020

You're giving the fight way too much credit. The entire switching bodies part was unnecessary and just slowed the fight down. The entire "trust" part where Goirino was checking people was over within a few minutes.

>Abbachio risking his life for the replay
And knowing what he looked like got them absolutely fuck all. Pointless death, though I'm glad the pricks gone.

What "sacrifices" where present in part 5's final battle that weren't present in the other part's final battle?

>Abbachio risking his life for the replay
Polnareff activating Requime even tho he knew what a destructive power it is
The scene where they have to find out who the Boss is hiding in
Bruno's final sacrifice
All of these tough decisions are present in other parts. These are not special to part 5 alone.

GER is not permanent

hey samefag, why don't you go back to redd*t where you can circle jerk about how shit part 5 is as much as you want

King Crimson could have just erased the part of time where DIO stopped time. Also, user was saying that King Crimson was unkillable by anyone in part 5.

>durr d-durr DIO would defeat it

>Implying reddit hates Part 5

>King Crimson could have just erased the part of time where DIO stopped time.
this would not mean he wins
>>durr d-durr DIO would defeat it
I accept your concession

They started looking for his face and fingerprints and Polnareff noticed them

>>skips to giorno being the boss because apparantely if you kill the last you get to be the next one
Nobody knew who the boss was. Giorno could've (and likely) just came forward and said "I'm the boss" and nobody would really be able to refute it.

> final arc focused on characters testing their trust and taking difficult decisions rather than the classic protag vs villain combat

Literally any shounen

>is this the power of the shonen fandom?

Imagine thinking gary stuvanna was a decent character at all with defined motivations.

Heck, he didn't even end the drug trafficking. BTFO p5fag

Retard, nobody in part 5 would defeat it, the final battle is still the shittiest though.

>could've
EXACTLY, why couldn't we have seen that? A one or two minute scene would do wonders

Yes because a 15 year old would start an organization when he was a baby

>Retard, nobody in part 5 would defeat it,
never said they would, and the original post i replied to said nothing about it being unbeatable to just pt 5 characters
> the final battle is still the shittiest though.
something we can agree on

i mean this is literally what happened. araki always makes his antagonists OP and then gives the MC some asspull to deal with it, see: kars, dio, diavolo etc
holy fuck jojofags are unbearable.

>this would not mean he wins
No, but it would take away the very reason The World is so powerful, leaving King Crimson at a major advantage.

This

>king crimson was literally unkillable in a straight up fight
Diavolo can only win in a straight-up fight when things are stacked in his favor. Most other stand users in the series could make easy work of him (particularly a lot of the enemy stands in Part 3), and it's not really a contest when you understand the nature of his stand.

>Polnareff putting all life on Earth at risk of extinction because it’s better than letting the mob boss get away.

Because Araki probably didn't know or care exactly how the process happens beyond "Bruno knew how to take the throne after killing the boss"
And any actual explanation might still be flimsy, so going ambiguous was a good choice.

Remember that Diavolo did nothing wrong

>Killed a CORRUPT officer
>Kills someone who almost shoots him in the past
>Kills someone who betrays his mission because muh kakugo
>ALMOST kills some random italian edgelord trying to find his identity
>The country's economy is solely based on drugs

IN fact, he's a hero.

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Part 5 was the first jojo I actually watched all the way through and it made me not want to watch the other jojo's. Got infinitely worse as it went on.
>rather than the classic protag vs villain combat
I mean ya got me there, since there wasn't any combat and giorno just deus ex machina'd a win

It would only take a few pages for Araki to at least try and explain what happened.
>Why are Shonenfags like this?
Shonenfags are the ones who insist that everything that isn’t a fight (such as Giorno becoming the leader) isn’t necessary.

He runs an organized crime syndicate that dabbles in arms trade, drug trade, human trafficking, extortion, laundering, and murder.

so basically, any politician?

Didn't he kill and burn a priest?

are you just making a snide remark about politics or actually implying that politicians are heroes

Purple Haze Feed is not canon.

We don't know if it's permanent or not. Older giorno is shown using it in other media.

the arrow dropped. He needs to stab it again for GER to cum onto his pants.

He was a child molester.

>Araki makes a final arc where the Gary Stu protagonist gets handed ultimate power after a series of contrived events and uses it to torture the main villain forever, then instantly becomes the head of the mafia just for having a high powerlevel.
>People defend it.
Is this the power of the shone fandom?

Diavolo can not be killed in a face to face fight, is what im saying. He can definitely be assassinated if he doesn't see it coming at all.
But this stand can't be beat in a straight up brawl. You can either kill him when he wont expect it, or kill him in an unconventional way that takes a while like sapping the iron from his blood. But the Bucciarati gang doesn't have an ability that fits the latter. And it'd be even more unsatisfactory if Mista just sniped him while he was in his office.

Why did Gold Experience lose the ability to reflect attacks?

Reminder that all part 5 haters belong on redd*t, their meneaningless buzzwords and same old arguments have no weight here

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Nice bait considering Part 5 plebbitors circlejerk over jojotubers who suck Part 5's dick

The arrow dropped in both manga and anime.

GER is temporal

Holy shit, people actually defend Part 5's ending? Guys, it was bad. It's okay if you liked the rest of Part 5 but come on.

are you retarded jojofag? plebbit jerks part 5 off.
>someone criticizes jojo
>anyone who dares criticize my favourite anime is wrong
>wahhhhhh buzzwords and sensible arguments
why are all shounenshitters like this?

part 5 fags have been leaving en masse since the anime ended and will continue to do so. Go to your youtube comment section if you want people liking your shitty part

>No one bitches about Phantom Blood ending with Erina and the baby floating in a coffin with the story just telling you she made it.
Because the narration actually tells us the details of her rescue. If PB was written like GW, it would cut straight from the exploding boat to Erina being a school teacher somewhere without any dialogue or narration.

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But Erina doesn’t have a high powerlevel, so that wouldn’t make sense.

man, I forgot how goofy part one looked

nice cope man
dilate, faggots

t. youtube dot com slash shuckmeister

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>everyone, I need you to kill Giorno Giovanna
>by the way, I, Giorno Giovanna, am the boss

>and nobody would really be able to refute it.
Everybody who knew Giorno would be able to refute it

It was good because I liked it.

Only because he's a vampire.
KC has better abilities than TW.

Your strawman could use a few more ascribed traits, it’s a bit lacking. Another ending that doesn’t spell everything out for you is Stone Ocean’s ending, are we going to complain about that to? Because apparently you need to be spoon fed every single detail and can’t fathom the concept of an open ending. It’s the journey, not the destination sort of thing. Now I don’t want to presume but I’m guessing most people have heard of that sort of thing.

He spelled out here without showing, Araki went for a show don’t tell ending for Vento Aureo and Stone Ocean. I’d say he improved, personally.

>It’s the journey, not the destination sort of thing.
But that's literally what people are complaining about. Part 5's ending only shows us the destination.

THIS

Diavolo deserved better

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It really doesn't
nice job replying to old posts. Stone Ocean's ending is better because it SHOWS that the characters we know now live peacefully and it even shows cool things like Annasui and Jolyne being together. Does 5? No, it doesn't

Stone Ocean's ending has several pages worth of the characters talking to each other in the new world, giving closure.

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Here's what Part 6's ending would have looked like if Araki wrote it the same way he wrote Part 5.

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test

Based, vatards btfo once more

Giorno isn’t a bad character, the problem is that the others MC like Bruno and Mista shine a lot more

Precog and time-based power are always going to be superior to just the latter.

Maybe in fights, then again king crimsons limitation depend on araki's mood. The world would be way better for everyday use.

based user doing god's work, VAfags seethe eternally

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Jolyne hands you a glass of chocolate milk, do you accept?
[y,n]

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I would accept anything from her.

>we never found out what happened with the new universe characters after part6 ended, part6 worst
Your argument is retarded

yeah sure why not

Reminder that trish's ass and cunt belong to her daddy

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what are you on about, who said these things, that anons point was completely opposite, why are you such a fool

This turns me on.

when i saw the thumbnail I tough that was hayato and kira in the shower

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The best part of this image is trish's face and her casual outfit
Black tshirts make me rock hard

>>>

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BASED
Fuck Trish ships and fuck that whore
DiaDona is the only good hetship of part 5

>no AU where Donatella picks the frog and dumps Diavolo's goofy twink ass

Donatella looks like fem Narancia

I finished the flaccid pancake fight in stone ocean. Next is the maximum security arc, what am I in for anons?

Name a better character than Mista (in Trish's body)

I'll wait.

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>worst JoJo + worst villain = worst ending

Who would've thought

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But Narancia is already a girl?

Diavolo in Trish's body

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I've always liked the final fight, my problems with part 5 are about the part as a whole and Giorno being a milquetoast protagonist. But Jojo doesn't actually have a bad part

>be me
>body swap fetishist
>can't contain my MASSIVE boner throughout the episode

I'm convinced that anybody who actually wants Purple Haze Fanfiction to be animated either hasn't actually read it or is a sub-80 IQ neanderthal who likes Jojo for the wrong reasons. I mean seriously, how could someone read that literal pile of garbage and think not only that it's good enough to deserve an adaptation, but also that DP somehow OWES them an adaptation of a non-canon light novel. The amount of effort that would have to go into animating a novel rather than a manga would be so high that even if it were good, which it isn't, the chances of that adaptation happening are exactly zero. And they're actually getting ANGRY that it isn't happening. You'd think someone that stupid wouldn't be able to form a coherent thought, much less type out a post, and yet there are dozens of them here, on this board, right now. And everywhere you go that isn't this website, there's even more. They're fucking everywhere, these troglodyte bugmen. When are they going to learn that their shitty meme novel that's been directly contradicted by the anime on multiple occasions isn't getting a fucking adaptation? And then to have the gall to shit on the upcoming Rohan OVA because their retarded selves were legitimately expecting PHF in its place. Fuck them.

Why is it bad besides "muh fanfic"

I miss him bros...

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Based

Shitty writing style, legit reads like it was written by a 5 year old
Shitty OC characters
Returning characters act wildly OoC the entire time
Absolutely retarded fanservice, there's no reason for the stone mask to come back and Tonio's secret mafia brother is just so dumb it's unreal
Lazy, utterly basic story with zero interesting plot points whatsoever
I'll freely admit I haven't read the whole thing, I had to stop about halfway through because it was so nauseatingly bad and anti-Jojo it made me depressed. If you think this book is good you're either underage or a moron.

PHF is actually good though, elaborate on what you don't like about it user, id love to hear your thoughts. though I agree that people who are demanding it and are actually angry shitting on the rohan ovas are retarded, fuck em

pleb

If you havent even read the whole things than you have no right to judge it.
Actually read it and then think about what you're reading. PHF is actually really good. Theres a reason so many people love it.

It's canon

it was too op
every single fight giorno could make a lion or something
he makes the lion attack the enemy stand user
if the enemy stand user attacks the lion, they die.
if they dont attack the lion, they die because a fucking lion is mauling them

chariot requiem > final fight against valentine

didnt see your reply to the other user
>shitty writing style
what do you mean exactly thats a very broad statement with no proof
>shitty OC characters
the narcotics team has more character than la squadra, their interactions are unique and interesting. i agree with fugo gang lacking character but it's completely outweighed by fugos internal monologues most of the time
>Returning characters act wildly OoC the entire time
how come? did you expect mista to treat fugo like a friend after he betrayed them and basically left them for dead? also its not like they had much interaction before either
>Absolutely retarded fanservice
its retarded but its jojo retarded, i liked it, so did almost everyone, you seem to be very biased against the light novel for some reason
>Lazy, utterly basic story with zero interesting plot points whatsoever
this is just wrong, undermining fugos character development and internal monologues in the novel is unreasonable, youre missing the point on purpose at this point. also its a tiny light novel, how would it have more than two interesting points, even that is impressive
>I haven't read the whole thing
and here it is, a real shame user, you're exaggerating every negative aspect here and feeding your own bias. give it another try with an open mind and stop overreacting next time

No

>worldbuilding is bad

Just like Jorge Joestar

God I hope so

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>giorno becoming a mob boss is a pretty important fucking plot point
No its not you fucking retarded plotfag
no he didnt, he didnt overcome himself like Bruno

OVA when?

Diavolo worked harder than everyone else combined in the final battle.

H A Y A T O

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>how come? did you expect mista to treat fugo like a friend after he betrayed them and basically left them for dead?
Without a single doubt in my mind yes he would. No member of the squad in anything close to canon have shown any resentment towards Fugo.

>no he didnt, he didnt overcome himself like Bruno
What the fuck does that even mean? Bruno didn't overcome shit, he just unzipped a sun (that he didn't know about until he saw Diavolo figure it out)

hot sardinia pussy

Well, uh, you don’t get the symbolism, ok?

You nailed it

Diavolo lost because he was going to pussy out.

How?

>this thread

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The only time when he acted cowardly was after his defeat was already ensured, and that only lasted for a few seconds before he regained his confidence.

He ran from the group and tried to snatch the arrow without defeating Chariot. He could have destroyed chariot and trishs body, which would leave him vs mista and Giorno. But he pussied out and tried to take a shortcut like he always does and was rejected. Chad Bruno destroyed Chariot knowing it would kill him but did his duty anyways (sleeping slaves) and passed on his will to Giorno who was not rejected as it is the duty of the survivors to honor the sacrifices of the dead.

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All things considered, Diavolo had likely the best mentality of any villain I've seen:
>I am destined to succeed
>I WILL succeed
>Any and all opposition is a trial given to me by fate that I am to overcome
That's a winner's mentality right there.

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Are you a speedreader? Diavolo couldn't destroy Chariot because then he would swap back to his old body and lose the arrow.

>No member of the squad in anything close to canon have shown any resentment towards Fugo
correct but we dont see any meaningful interaction between mista and fugo either, its not too far fetched that mista, who thought of fugo as an ally at one point, would be cautious when confronting him later on after what he had done to bucciaratti

>He ran from the group and tried to snatch the arrow without defeating Chariot.
He weakened it so that he would be able to ensure that he got the arrow before undoing the bodyswap. It was a smart choice, but those are frowned upon by god because they usually go against his nonsensical rules.

Wasn't Dio the same way?

>after what he had done to bucciaratti
He did nothing to them.

God I want to suck his dick

i feel bad for Fugo, he's not dangerous for the team, i don't think he want to kill giorno, especially mista, they are like friends in the past

yes, and kars too

>He ran from the group
He was chasing after SCR to get the arrow. You know, the exact same thing the protagonists were doing.
>and tried to snatch the arrow without defeating Chariot.
Again, the main characters were also trying to do this.

You are so full of shit.

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But he isn’t completely submissive to Jesus, making him a bad person who can only redeem himself by becoming completely submissive to Jesus.

>muda muda
>villain loses instantly and gets tortured for all eternity
>the end
this was worse than the worst of shounenshit

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Kira and Diavolo did nothing wrong. They just wanted to be left alone but the sociopaths known as Josuke and Giorno wouldn't have that

>can’t understand deep themes like “Jesus good Satan bad”

Kira bothered other people, getting in their business and killing them. Only Diavolo truly wanted to be left alone.

>Abbachio risking his life for the replay
Lmao user, all the characters IQ had to drop straight through the frickin' lithosphere in order for him to die at that spot, it was such a forced scenario it's ludicrous. They literally had ONE job and they were faffing about like retards instead of protecting his ass.

half of the gang died because he didn't choose to help back then, things would have been better if he joined in, both mista and fugo know this. its pretty fucking hard to forgive someone when you know they could have prevented deaths of your friends, no? its even harder walking with all of that guilt weighing you down

Unironically this, but only the part about Diavolo and Giorno.

>half of the gang died because he didn't choose to help back then
No, half the gang died because the stupidly chose to betray the boss for no reason.

He only killed thots and Shigechi

We’ll never know how things would’ve gone if Fugo joined.

They did it because they aren’t bad people like that heathen Fugo.

There wasn't a single death that Fugo could have prevented.

What the fuck was Silver Chariot Requiem?
>makes everyone sleep and switch bodies with each other
>powers up every stand nearby
>basically controls your stand via mini sun behind your head(soul), and then makes them retaliate against you if you go after the arrow
>causes some weird animal mutation shit after a long period of time

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It was hack writing

Most overpowered Stand given a crippling weakness

He kills random people for pleasure, literally Dio tier.

the point is its not unreasonable for mista to blame fugo here since he could have prevented at least some deaths, even if its hypothetical

Actually, we already do know! Thanks to Sleeping Slaves, we know that Narancia, Bruno and Abbacchio were doomed to die no matter what.

It’s unreasonable to get angry at someone for being smarter than you and suffering less as a result.

Sorry, this was meant for

The group was also only delayed because of him, the group also went for the arrow yes, and they didnt pussy out
>it was the smart choice
Only if you dont expect Bruno to sacrifice himself to stop you "Are bullets and punches all you can predict"
If he had destroyed it in the first place he would swap back yes, but it would still be him vs Giorno and Mista which is an easy fight. Remember that defeating Chariot gives you the arrow this guy who projected his own speedreading onto me sure didnt.

Fugo was also fated to leave no matter what.

Funny how Diavolo was able to dissect Chariot Requiem and his weakness, but couldn't do the same to GER.

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Maybe they should've laid low and come up with an actual plan instead of stumbling all the way to the finale like morons guided solely by deus ex machinas. These characters act nothing like a team, they hardly communicate with each other in any significant way, Fugo was completely right to jump ship from this idiotic plot.

I kinda agree with you. A proper final battle between Giorno and Diavolo would benefit the ending a lot. Jojo always have really fun battles.

Because he was observing SCR but shitting his pants fighting GER

It was a test

Stands are weird when they dont have a user.

>and call it bad
But all of JoJo is bad.

That would be very unreasonable. Fugo tried to prevent their deaths by telling them not to do it and they ignored him. Mista even made a joke out of the whole thing by blabbing about how much money they would get and how he would gain more power in the gang.

It would make more sense for Fugo to be pissed off when Mista came back after failing to protect all of his friends.

>If he had destroyed it in the first place he would swap back yes, but it would still be him vs Giorno and Mista which is an easy fight.
It doesn’t matter, since Giorno could stab himself with the arrow and win insantly. Giorno actually has the advantage of already being in his original body.

Giorno is worse than Diavolo. The guy has no problems killing people but drugs are a big no.

>Remember that defeating Chariot gives you the arrow
The arrow doesn't magically teleport you, dumbass. You have to actually grab it, and Diavolo wouldn't be in a position to grab it first if he got switched back to his old body.

Does GER have a weakness?

Doesn't it have a small range?

Yeah it puts a moon under your ass that you can attack to kill him instantly

Nobody pussied out. They were chasing after the arrow because that's what the whole situation was about. Why are you so adamant on defending the ending when you can't even remember what happened?

GER IS FLOATING IN THE AIR, WHICH MEANS FROM EVERY ANGLE ITS CROTCH IS VISIBLE. GER WAS BORN FROM GE, WHICH MANIPULATES LIFE. LIFE BEGINS FROM SPERM WHICH IS CONTAINED IN THE TESTICLES, LOCATED IN THE CROTCH AREA. WITH ALL THIS INFORMATION I CAN ASSUME THAT IF I SMASH MY OWN TWO STAND TESTICLES I CAN DESTROY THIS ROOKIE AND CONTINUE TO SELL HIS DUMBASS CLASSMATES CRYSTAL METH. YOUR FERTILITY IS FINISHED GIORNO GIOVANNA

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why didn't diavolo just destroy his own balls?

Don't know. However, I do like the idea(based on that youtube vid) that GER actually just causes hallucinations via energy beam attacks and Diavolo just figures it out mid-beatdown.

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David should’ve added a graphic scene of Diavolo cutting his balls off due to his regret for having a daughter. Imagine watching him cut his balls off with a knife and then sew the wound shut. Imagine the noises that he’d make throughout the process.

No, user. It's the worst powerfantasy you can make.

>sun behind you is the past the shadow is your souls shaped by it
>try to get the arrow and your soul stops you
>Diavolo damages his orb to avoid risk
>Bruno destroys the orb KNOWING it will kill him but does it anyways
Then rolling stone comes in and Scollopi states word for word that facing fate and doing the right thing can lead to a better world for the survivors. You are the perfect examples of dumbfuck plotfags mistaking your shared retardation for affirmation

Because he didn't mind busting a nut in a cutie when he wasn't a boss.

no
SCR was a brainlet given godmode, whereas GER was able to immediately find the "I win" command

If people like you had their way every JoJo chapter would start with the main character waking up and brushing their fucking teeth you god damn idiot. What the fuck does adding two minutes of nameless capos jobbing to Giorno add to the story?

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Yikes

Diavolo damages his own orb so that he can take the arrow from the weakened SCR
Bruno destroys the orb completely to destroy SCR, swapping their souls back to their original bodies which causes Diavolo to lose the arrow

It's not complicated.

>dumbfuck plotfags
Are you seriously trying to turn 'understanding the plot' into an insult?

Does GER have the most "human-like" eyes of all the stands?

>Diavolo damages his orb to avoid risk
Why take unnecessary risks?
>Bruno destroys the orb KNOWING it will kill him but does it anyways
You can’t compare Diavolo and Bruno’s actions when the consequences for destroying the orb are different for them.
>You’re only criticizing it because you’re a dumb plotfag who doesn’t understand the deep themes!
I understand the themes well, and their poor execution is the biggest problem with Part 5.

>What the fuck does adding two minutes of Giorno achieving his dream which was the point of the whole story add to the story?

>anything that isn’t a fight is pointless filler

It literally fucking does you absolute retard, that is exactly what it did youtu.be/fqRizHQWvys

Chapter 145 in the manga

>facing fate and doing the right thing can lead to a better world for the survivors.
Oh you mean how the florist's daughter chose to die a painless death on the spot instead of struggling towards her fate and that ended up saving her father's life? I guess taking shortcuts is actually pretty beneficial. Also Scollopi says you can't change fate and an episode earlier Giorno literally changes his own fate. Fuck off VAfag.

>ending a basic plot point properly
>same as showing brushing teeth
wew lad

>why take unnecessary risks
Because if you take shortcuts you lose sight of the truth. The truth here is that only halfway destroying the orb was a pussy play that let Bruno claim the arrow. If you dont understand that much you absolutely do not understand the themes.
>you cant compare the situations
Yes you can, Diavolo would have survived and had the arrow, Bruno made the bigger sacrifice.

Do none of you understand literary story structure or how Araki writes his stories? He's pretty transparent that the stakes should always go up in his writing. Even assuming the other capos that he would need to subjugate are stand users, they are undoubtedly less powerful than Diavolo, therefore there is no dramatic risk and it isn't interesting to read.

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You literally see it fall on the floor

????

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>Do none of you understand literary story structure or how Araki writes his stories?
Every other part has a proper conclusion.

Fate is a set event that cannot be changed, but it can be prolonged, delayed or happen in a different context killing herself was facing fate to do the right thing you retard, avoiding it would mean a painfull death and a worse world. No one changed fate, Giorno only stopped Diavolo from reaching his fate.

>Because if you take shortcuts you lose sight of the truth. The truth here is that only halfway destroying the orb was a pussy play that let Bruno claim the arrow. If you dont understand that much you absolutely do not understand the themes.
I understand the theme, but the theme is flawed. Vague religious guidelines should never be promoted as being more important than logic.
>Yes you can, Diavolo would have survived and had the arrow
Not if Giorno picked it up first.

It’s pretty telling that you’re completely unable to view a plot as anything other than a series of fights with escalating powerlevels.

>Giorno only stopped Diavolo from reaching his fate.
That is changing fate and you know it.

>Yes you can, Diavolo would have survived and had the arrow
No he wouldn't, if he would then that's what he would have done.

>So btfo he cant even flip a page
How sad plotfags are

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Nope because he is a bitch line Abbachio was, you get the arrow when you defeat Chariot. See

>Do none of you understand literary story structure or how Araki writes his stories?
Yeah, and it's shit that always leads to power creep by the end even tho stands fights shouldn't be that way. I wish he'd focuse more on conveying various entertaining scenarios than trying to inject the worst shonenshit and pretentious themes.

No its not, the death loop only exists because fate cannot be changed

Are you being serious right now? This does not show Bruno getting the arrow for defeating SCR. It shows Diavolo dropping the arrow and Giorno picking it up.

You mean that it only exists because fate can be changed?

They literally show Giorno becoming mob boss and you're not satisfied because some jobbers didn't get worked by GER for a couple minutes.
This is why people consider JoJo threads a fucking joke, holy shit.

Are you saying the only thing that matters are the results, and it doesn't matter how we get there?

>Fate is a set event that cannot be changed, but it can be prolonged, delayed or happen in a different context
If you're altering a ''set event'' then you're changing fate. Period. 'Fate' here works when it's convenient for the plot and doesn't work when it's convenient for the plot.
>killing herself was facing fate to do the right thing you retard, avoiding it would mean a painfull death and a worse world.
But the whole point of it was to show that you can either die peacefully right there or suffer a painful death in the near future that might bring something good in the process. Like for Bucci's gang. She chose to die on the spot and that turned out to have actually saved her father's life, thus contradicting the point it was trying to make. It's retarded.
> No one changed fate, Giorno only stopped Diavolo from reaching his fate.
Epitath's 100% future prediction showed Giorno getting donut'd. Giorno avoided fate and didn't turn into a donut.

>Giorno only stopped Diavolo from reaching his fate.
Which changes fate for everybody else

>he’s still completely unable to view a plot as anything other than a series of fights with escalating powerlevels

>shot of Giornos empty right hand
>shot of Brunos hands
>Arrow in Giornos hand
Plotfags have now reaches a stage of denying the very fabric of reality

I don’t think you understand the different between fate and true fate.

>shot of Brunos hands
You think it went into his fucking ghost hands? Despite the whole point of the scene being that they can't grab the arrow as souls?

What about the fucking shot of the arrow falling to the ground??

>true fate.
I recognize this autist now. Abandon the discussion if you want to keep your sanity.

>a-ah b-but you s-see, there's TWO kinds of fates a-actually!
The absolute state of VAfags.

user please stop you are embarrassing yourself.

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The only ones of those left are Zucchero and Sale.

>he's STILL unable to grasp the concept of show not tell in narrative storytelling and is instead foaming at the mouth and projecting about how obsessed I am with fights despite him being the one who complained that the capos didn't get beaten on screen
What I'm saying is, you can form a cohesive narrative without showing every single individual event that happens. Showing Giorno beating up some capos, even in a two minute aside, doesn't add anything. Showing him becoming mafia boss does, as that was his end goal.

His parents, his classmates, his neighbors, his teachers, the cops, etc

What about his former classmates?

I find it very worrying that you still cannot comprehend an epilogue to Part 5's story that isn't Giorno fighting people.

>What do you mean that violence isn’t literally the only way to solve problems?
You’re beyond help at this point.

>Showing Giorno beating up some capos, even in a two minute aside, doesn't add anything.
It adds a reason for how he became the boss, which we never got.

The idea that Giorno even beat up some capos is yours in the first place. We are never told that he did that, or that he was planning to do that. You made it up, because the story didn't explain anything. That's the problem.

>show not tell
But in this case, they didn't show or tell.

>Bro it's all about the journey you just can't conveniently skip the difficult parts
>Doom the boss to a horrible fate of never arriving at the result of his dead
>But skip straight ahead and shows Giorno as the boss
What did Araki mean by this

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Change is the wrong word then, but you're the one who startes using it, his full quote is "we cannot change what has already taken shape", the very nature of rolling stones is "changing fate" according to you and this other retard here which would mean the person who is saying you cannot change fate knows you can change fate.
>Epitaph 100% future predication
Epitaph has never been the same as rolling stone, Epitaph could have the context of a situation altered to fit the prediction like the manga from part 3, sleeping slaves was a personal unavoidable end point.

>Epitaph could have the context of a situation altered to fit the prediction like the manga from part 3
Okay so what context is going feature Giorno being fisted by King Crimson?

>he wanted it so he did the right thing by trying to get it
T. Abbachio

>manga about people fighting each other over conflicts of ideals
>expecting problems not to be solved with fighting
Good job not reading the rest of my post and focusing on one part. Where'd you learn to discuss a topic, Yea Forums?
The only reason I brought it up in the first place is because some retard was complaining that it didn't happen. It was just an example of what events could have happened during Giorno's takeover of Passione.
It's not a difficult logical assumption that because Giorno beat the boss, he pretty much established himself as the toughest motherfucker in Italy. Why would Passione not have him as their leader? He just dragged their shadow boss out and killed him.
Because again, it doesn't add anything.

His ablity is an instant I Win button; how can anyone beat that, he's strong as fuck!
>But how did he become the boss?
You don't fuck with a guy who can permanently kill you infintaly

>It's not a difficult logical assumption that because Giorno beat the boss, he pretty much established himself as the toughest motherfucker in Italy.
Nobody knows what he did
>Why would Passione not have him as their leader?
Because the mafia is a criminal organization and not a fight club
>He just dragged their shadow boss out and killed him.
They don't know that

Sounds like a SOchad to me

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>Showing him becoming mafia boss does, as that was his end goal.
So he achieves his goal. Actually he's just kinda handed it on a silver platter. He was somehow teleported to boss position. Is he satisfied? Is that really what he wanted? What did he do with this position now? Perpetuate the literal criminal empire I guess, what else? That's what he wanted right? But only no drugs to kids this time, as if that means anything. I actually agree with you that there's absolutely nothing left to show, because the plot and the characters are completely retarded and no amount of turd polishing at the end by adding a minute narration can fix anything about it. VA is fundamentally flawed at its core and needs a completely different story in order to do something better with these characters. I'm glad they left it exactly as crap as it was instead of trying to do mental gymnastics and add something dumb like ''and then magically the whole of Italy was drug-clean the end'' because he's an invincible god or some shit.

One of his infinite deaths that have no bearing on reality

Did you make that up? I'm pretty sure that never happened in the manga.

Hey could any current jojo's beat kars?

>Because again, it doesn't add anything.
I think it would.

The fight itself is boring and Part 5's cast doesn't really have enough character to do the whole 'test each other's friendship' thing.

It also doesn't help that Diavalo is far and away the worst villain the series ever had, Doppio is mildly funny but aside from that there is literally nothing interesting about him and his motivation is retarded.

Good thing you're not an author then

Could? In the right situation, maybe.

>manga about people fighting each other over conflicts of ideals
>expecting problems not to be solved with fighting
So you admit that the ending of Part 5 does indeed cater to shonenbabies by cutting out the “boring” parts?

>>manga about people fighting each other over conflicts of ideals
>>expecting problems not to be solved with fighting
I wish that logic applied when Araki was writing the Requiem arc.

do you mean as in only the Joestars themselves?
Johnny could probably hit him with Tusk Act 4 and do the infinite gravity thing. Sure Kars would be alive and able to do stuff but he would be rooted to one spot.
I'd say only Giorno with GER has a chance. Maybe if Gappy can 'steal' Kar's immortality with his bubbles.

Aside from that no, certain stand users could probably do the job though, Vanilla Ice in particular would be an easy win.

Is it the infinite part you dont understand or the no bearing on reality part?

Jotaro might be able to win if he punches hard enough.

I'm talking about the part where you say that Epitaph's prediction came true in his death loops. That sounds like something you made up and wasn't in the real story.

> Epitaph could have the context of a situation altered to fit the prediction
No, that is not what it does. It gives you an absolute fated 10 second future preview, KC is the one doing the altering if that is what Diavolo wishes.
> sleeping slaves was a personal unavoidable end point.
And people keep fucking around with it and their fate. It is inconsistent and contradictory. Diavolo is punished for using the abilities he was fated to have. In the end, fate is just a retarded plot device for the author to excuse whatever the fuck he wishes. It's like saying that deus ex machina is a real force in that universe and sometimes it will simply descend and alter shit randomly and therefore you cannot criticize it because I established it as a real thing.

>M-MUH IDENTITY! I JUST WANT MUH QUIET LIFE!
>be boss of the Mafia
is there any fucking character more stupid than Diavolo?

He needs to get very angry for that to happen though, I'm not sure if Kars would have the same effect on him as DIO did.

>M-MUH IDENTITY! I JUST WANT MUH QUIET LIFE!
>be serial killer
is there any fucking character more stupid than Kira?

>He runs an organized crime syndicate that dabbles in arms trade, drug trade, human trafficking, extortion, laundering, and murder.
Literally the same can be say about Giorno minus the drugs part.

O MY GOLDEN EXPERIENCE

Kira wanted the quiet life. Diavolo was using his mafia power to hide all traces of his identity, and was doing pretty well until the author turned the story against him.

>M-MUH POWER! I JUST WANT TO GET MONEY AND POWER
>becomes a vampire and get a OP stand
is there any fucking character more based than Dio?

>M-MUHRICA! I JUST WANT MUH JUSTICE!
>kills innocent american citizens and hands the corpse over to a british guy
is there any fucking character more stupid than Valentine?

>M-MUH FAMILY! I JUST WANT SUCCESS FOR MUH FAMILY!
>burns down family orchard
is there any fucking character more stupid than Jobin?

Why are you complaining about a battle shonen focusing on battles? What the fuck are you expecting?
Me too honestly, Giorno receiving a power up to defeat King Crimson isn't a bad idea, but making GER so strong really works against Araki because instead of getting an interesting final fight we get a more poetic ending. If the infinite death was GER's final attack it would have been much more satisfying.
>Nobody knows what he did
Except for everybody who Diavolo used to communicate with to organize his mafia, who will realize he's dead once he stops communicating with them and Giorno shows up claiming to have killed him.
>Because the mafia is a criminal organization and not a fight club
They still recognize power. Giorno was able to track down the boss' hidden identity and defeat him despite the boss supposedly having an invincible ability.

Keep in mind that Giorno doesn’t even have anything against drugs being sold to adults.

>not realizing that burning down the orchard was a necessary sacrifice for the rise of the Higashikata Family Orchard Matsutake Mushroom Hunting Tour

>hide all traces of his identity
His identity is literally meaningless.

thanks for pointing out why Diavolo sucks even harder, he's an unabashed shitty knockoff of the previous villain

>Why are you complaining about a battle shonen focusing on battles? What the fuck are you expecting?
People were previously being called shonenbabies for wanting to see things other than battles.

But WHY? WHY does he care?
Does he not want the world to know he's a mafia boss? His identity literally means nothing he is just some fucking pink haired guy who doesn't even get a remote modicum of character development.

>So he achieves his goal.
That's what the pages are supposed to convey, yes.

>Actually he's just kinda handed it on a silver platter.
The difficult part was already over, there's no reason to show some anticlimactic, mundane shit.

>What did he do with this position now?
Exactly what he said he would.

O MY FRENCHMAN

>and Giorno shows up claiming to have killed him.
I'm glad you phrased it that way because it brings up an important point.
"Giorno shows up".... where? Passione doesn't have an office or HQ. He doesn't know any other capos. He can't call anybody. What is he gonna do?

>M-MUH PERFECTION! I JUST WANT TO BE THE ULTIMATE LIFE FORM!
>is a m*le
is there any fucking character more stupid than Kars?

based

>M-MUH ULTIMATE LIFE FORM! I WANT MUH AJA STONE!
>become a furry
is there any fucking character more stupid than Kars?

>there's no reason to show some anticlimactic, mundane shit.
You must really hate every other ending in Jojo then

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Part 4 is bad because Giorno has a blander personality than Johnathon. Would've been much better with the revelation that Bucciarati is a Jojo/Dio bastard as well

He can change his chromosomes at will. He can even change into a creature with no gender.

Then why didn’t he?

>Passione doesn't have an office or HQ
Clearly it fucking does, considering Giorno has an office.
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user, this scene would be after he becomes the boss.

Diavolo only haf King Crimson because he was a shit, which is what he was punished for, not fate. The human element is what causes fate to end up the way it does. Diavolo lost thematicaly because he didnt pursuit the truth, that was showed in "real life" by him allowing Bruno the opportunity to sacrifice himself because such a sacrifice was unthinkable to him. Fate isnt used to excuse anything, Diavolo lost a stand battle because he failed to predict Bruno.

>Part 4 is bad because Giorno has a blander personality
My head hurts

That makes no sense. There was nothing Diavolo could do to stop Bruno from unzipping the sun.

The exact goal of part 4 was resuming the normal shit, the question was just whos definition of a normal life it would be.

Buccelati should have been DIO's son instead, with Sticky Fingers. Giorno should have been his main side kick (Like how Gyro is to Johnny), who pledges to avenge him and carry on his dream, even if it means fucking with nature and turning Bruno into a zombie. The story would progress until Buccelatti fully dies, and Giorno inherits his will as capo.

So you're telling me that Passione never had any form of HQ or base despite being a major crime organization and that they only began acquiring property once Giorno became mob boss?

Personally, I don't find taking over the Passione mafia now that Diavolo is dead worth showing. There would be arguably little interest in watching Giorno and Mista subduing every single Capo who wouldn't just voluntarily accept the guys who killed the whole squadra and the boss himself as the new boss(es?).
I'm, however, honestly curious about how will they manage a mafia while refusing to sell drugs, kill innocent people and be "bad guys" in general.

He could have destroyed it himself and killed Mista/Trish and had a 1v2 vs Giorno and Mista/trish. Or he could have killed the other and then claim the arrow afterwards. The arrow essentially teleports to you if you beat chariot. The one thing we know he cant win by doing is giving Bruno the blueprint for how to beat Chariot.

Giorno says drugs are okay as long as they aren't being sold to kids.

It's more of how would people buy Giorno being the boss now more than anything

inb4

>MUH PHF EXPLAINS IT

If you need a literal fanfiction to explain stuff missing from your story, then the story is not that good.

Giornos condition was only "no drugs to kids" still the mafia makes much more money of tax evasion and shit like that than the innocent people murdering branches

Yes. Diavolo kept his identity a secret and would have never had a permanent address, let alone a public office. We know he used a laptop for his business and had no problem carrying all that shit around with him. Under him is Doppio, who shares a body with him. So Doppio won't have an office either. Under Doppio are the capos, who are all split up and managing their own separate territories. So they can't all be working in some central base either.

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The ending of part 5 doesn't matter because the plot is nothing anyway. Just watch it for the wacky fight scenes and pretty colors.

>The arrow essentially teleports to you if you beat chariot.
Are you the same retard from earlier, or a different one? This was already proven wrong. See

Diavolo couuld have waited and let Bruno leave Trissh on top of the tower

Uhhhh... Star Platinum? And The World?

>that second panel
I can't believe Mista would call Araki out like that

whats that toy seller's stand?

Of course Diavolo wouldn't, but my thoughts are that his capos would at least have something. You are right that this is a more complicated than it should be though. Either Giorno went door to door telling all the capos he pushed Diavolo's shit in or he messaged them over the mafia's circlejerk IRCs.
>that's why even operatives prefer dressing in normal, civilian styles of clothing

He probably saw Bruno throw the brooch onto Diavolo with his premonitions

The problem is that he doesn't know any of the capos.

He didn't know Bruno was a traitor.

And before that page Bruno says "so you can only predict bullets and arrows
then we look at the next panel the retard cut out
>but if I destroy this
His intent doesnt matter, he even knows he cant get the arrow and starts begging Bruno for it.

Due to how they basically killed every stand user in the gang, all the normies have no choice but to bow.

Kinderfeld, with a sub ability called Smells Like Children.

What the fuck are you talking about? The first time it happened, I assumed it was just a mistake, but this is the second time that you've replied to me with unrelated gibberish.

Bruno says "You didn't finish Requiem off because you wanted to take the arrow". Your claim that defeating SCR would automatically give Diavolo the arrow is wrong. It doesn't teleport to you.

>"Holy shit guys King Crimson's ability is simply unbeatable"
>Diabolo doesn't do shit and is always cornered
The guy never really felt like a threat. And what was he even going to do if the guys never set out to catch him? He was just going to keep running his mafia, it's not like the world was in danger or anything and he also wasn't a serial murderer.

So Giorno, Mista and potentially Polnareff are all aboard the human trafficking, innocent people extortion, judges/police bribing and pretty much beating up to death anyone who dares stand up to you as long as you don't sell drugs to kids?
I mean if that's it then fine, but it makes moment of the series like Abacchio's backstory or minor villains like Luca and Polpo deaths feel kinda... Unfair? I'd be all up for them just being a nice story of how they rose to power, but I feel like they are always shown as good guys who seek a better world

He didnt defeating SCR though, Bruno did

>Implying there wouldn't be more stand users
>Implying a group of traitors and 5 people along with the protagonist gang + 3 other people make up the entire stand user community of Passione

Imagine being this retarded

>He didnt defeating SCR though
He didn't BECAUSE he would lose the arrow if he did. That's what it says on the page. Are you doing the broken English as a joke?

exactly! why didnt he let him finish the work he was already doing?

user, if the arrow teleports to the person who defeats SCR, then it would have gone to Bruno's body at the Colosseum.

I get where OP's coming from, but he has the most invincible stand on earth.

Reminder Pucci is a unremarkable villain who is just another Part 3 minor antagonist and has no traits to him that none of the other ones have. Also Valentine is a more interesting character in comparison

>Diavolo only haf King Crimson because he was a shit, which is what he was punished for, not fate.
If everything is fated like the story tells us then him being a mafia boss and having KC was fate, as well as ultimately being beaten by a 15-year old gary stu shonen protagonist who's trying to preach morality to him despite wanting to perpetuate a criminal organization. Stop defending crap.
>Diavolo lost thematicaly because he didnt pursuit the truth
Yeah 'pursuing the truth' of trying to figure out a stand that keeps changing its mind about what it does on the fly as whatever Araki wishes to prolong the finale.
>allowing Bruno the opportunity to sacrifice himself because such a sacrifice was unthinkable to him.
Bruno didn't sacrifice himself, he just caused the souls to return to their original bodies, if he had a normal body to return to he'd be fine.

Pucci literally created the SBR universe.

Yes, fuck shonenfags

wrong, both of you

Haven't seen the fanfic, although I'm tempted since I feel Fugo deserved a bit more of screentime. Read at some point here it was some major bullshit of a fanfic tho.

About people buying him as the new boss, I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be that hard to prove. When Polpo died the rumors about Trish and Bruno being the capo spread like fire, imagine about killing the squadra, secco, the chocolate guy or whatever and the boss. And even if they won't believe that a 15 year old did it there's the boss daughther and Mista is an actual known member of Bruno squad.

And like I said, he most likely could beat up any Capo without the slight trouble. Once you have each capo answering to you, the rest of their subordinates are in too.

>Diavolo wanted the arrow to keep being the boss and hide his identity
>Giorno wanted the arrow to become the boss and stop selling drugs(to kids)
>both are/were the boss of an evil organization that murder people and steals.
>the arrow still chose Giorno over Diavolo even if they both had almost the same purposes with drugs being the only difference.
>polnaref is a good person and yet stayed with Giorno at the end, probably looking at him while he orders Mista to kill somebody who didn't pay his protection fees.
>never told about this criminal organization to jotaro
>"should I tell Jotaro that there is an evil organization being controlled by the son of DIO himself?"
>nah

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>spend all of the part building up to Diavolo
>finally reveal Diavolo
>immediately shunt him back into the shadows and have Bruno inhabit his body

I couldn't get invested in the main antagonist. Chariot Requiem also felt really busy, considering the "others" didn't even amount to anything in the end.

But.... themes. It's not supposed to be a good story, it's just a metaphor. Please stop making fun of my favorite part...

The arrow didn't chose Giorno over Diavolo. Bruno gave Giorno the arrow.

You pick that phrase out of the context which is Bruno explaining why it was a bad idea. We literally see the arrow apear in Giornos hand, we dont see him catch it, in the anime it is even more clear what happens.

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Explain how I'm wrong cause Pucci has no depth to him

>polnaref looking at him while he orders Mista to kill somebody who didn't pay his protection fees.
Make sure to make him lick a toliet before killing him Mista

>If Bruno had a normal body
He didnt.

>The arrow chose Giorno
Retardo

>wants an explanation for how giorno became boss
>pokes holes in it immediately
And you wonder why Araki chose to avoid the topic.

Anyway, the boss isnt feared just because he's the boss.
Everyone knows him and his elite guard are incredibly dangerous, which is why even Bruno's boys held resistance to becoming traitors.
So imagine some wise guy strolling up to the boss's estate, and calling everyone up saying he killed the boss. It'd be the fucking talk of the city, and yet he hasn't been delt with.
Which can only mean he's the real deal, and is even more dangerous than the boss was.

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>"Looks like DIO's bastard son developed a stand, this could be dangerous. Let's send Koichi, what's the worst that could happen?"
>Thousands of people die due to internal struggles in a Mafia started by Giorno
>Giorno develops a stand that can pretty much control reality
>Giorno becomes the boss of a Mafia that pretty much controls a whole country
>One of Jotaro's best friends turns into a turtle

Good job Koichi

It's not out of context. Everything that has been posted backs up what I'm saying and none of it backs up what you're saying. Diavolo did not destroy SCR because he wants to stab himself with the arrow first. If somebody completely destroys the sun, SCR will be defeated and everybody will go back to normal. Which means that Diavolo will not have the arrow anymore, because his stand cannot grab on to it and it will fall to the floor. There is nothing on these pages that suggests that defeating SCR will teleport the arrow to you.

>We literally see the arrow apear in Giornos hand,
We do not see it appear in Giorno's hand. We see it drop on to the ground out of King Crimson's hand, and then later Giorno is shown already holding it. It never teleports to Bruno, and if it did, Giorno wouldn't be able to get it because Bruno is nowhere near him.

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evil that doesnt know it evil

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i just want to say. i read the manga parts 1 & 2. i watch anime parts 1-3 and 4 episodes into diamond. i think the manga parts were better and explained more, and i may read the rest. i think stands are stupid, and stone masks were way cooler. should have stuck with that. pillar men are way better than new flavour of the week super powers.

>So imagine some wise guy strolling up to the boss's estate
What estate?

I agree, a lot of important exposition in Jojo is given through information boxes and illustrations that can't be properly translated to anime.

The manga is superior.
Hopefully you'll learn to like stands, they do get more interesting in Part 4.

Yes Diavolo didnt know the arrow teleported, but that doesnt change the fact that his plan was never going to work because he couldnt predict Bruno

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Can someone name a character trait for Pucci that isn’t shared between any part 3 minor antagonist because I don’t think I can?

O MY CAR CRASH

So there is no 'sacrifice' you dunce. As soon as they swap back to normal by any other means, the same would happen. Unless he manages to cling to an empty turtle shell in the process. Or maybe Giorno can just clone him a new body as he's shown to be able to do that. But...then Giorno couldn't hijack the leader position...and we can't have that. He has a dream after all, let him have his dream Bruno, even tho he's in no way qualified for the role.

He’s classy.

No. The arrow does not teleport. It falls to the ground and Giorno is the only one who can pick it up because he isn't leaving his body.

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Pucci has ambition, believes he's doing the right thing and is absolutely delusional.

Stands get better in part 4 but the characters suffer for it because it focuses on refining the concept of stands.

Part 4’s characters are much better than 3’s.

what about it?

The one at the end where Giornos sitting in his fucking throne.

That’s it.

It's just a room.

>Araki makes his characthers explain every single move while fighting, even if it makes the momentum of the fight be absurd
>People still doesn't get what's going

Just give up user. Araki narrates the fight scenes so that even blind people can follow it, if they still can't follow what's going on its their own fault.

What is "It"'?

The car crash.

what about it? why mention it?

This is a Jojo thread. If you don't like it, leave.

You know why.

>it doesnt apear in his hand
It does, look atThe last time Diavolo tries to pick up the arrow is pic related, its on the ground and he phases through it. Giorno catches Mista who talks to him about bruons body, Giorno looks in Brunos direction. He looks at Brunos spirit and we see his empty hand, the next panel we see him holding the arrow. So according to you, Diavolo would couldnt grab onto the arrow, and whos spirit moved horizontally towards his body, managed to toss the arrow high enough for Mistas soul to return and talk to Giorno, and for Giorno to react to it, and for the arrow to land in his perfectly still hand.

i don't get it

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I dont know if this is a house or a mansion, but all that land around them is definitely private property, because that's always how it is in mafia movies.

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Explain this fucking page then retard

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He didn’t narrate Giorno using damage reflection on Polpo and Babyface, or that the frog was Luca’s stand, but he assumed that readers would be smart enough to pick it up.

>the frog was luca's stand
What the fuck are you talking about?

>So according to you, Diavolo would couldnt grab onto the arrow, and whos spirit moved horizontally towards his body, managed to toss the arrow high enough for Mistas soul to return and talk to Giorno, and for Giorno to react to it, and for the arrow to land in his perfectly still hand.
No. KC drops the arrow and then Giorno grabs it.

I was listing off dumb headcanons from previous threads.

Oh thank god. I was about to have an aneurysm if you told me the guy arguing about the teleporting arrow was also the baby face guy.

Maybe it is.

There is nothing showing the arrow getting such altitude, Diavolo tries to grab it from the pavement but cant, if he could it would be going towards his body not Giornos. That is all here Show me a panel of Giorno picking it up, there is none because we see it suddenly in his hand.

>There is nothing showing the arrow getting such altitude, Diavolo tries to grab it from the pavement but cant, if he could it would be going towards his body not Giornos.
What altitude? What are you talking about? It's on the floor. We never see it leave the floor until we see Giorno hold it up. There is no altitude involved.

>Show me a panel of Giorno picking it up, there is none because we see it suddenly in his hand.
Show me a panel of the arrow teleporting to Bruno first.

Look at the end of the clip, the arrow is on the ground, then suddenly in Giornos hand

It goes right to Giorno, not Bruno, its here

Why would it go to Giorno?? You said that it teleports to the person who destroys SCR, which was Bruno. Giorno never touched the sun behind his head.
Oh, right, because it doesn't teleport and he just grabbed it from the floor.

Because he passes it onto Giorno with the literall magic that exists in Jojo youtu.be/awMP1cn2Nn0

But he doesn't have the arrow.

>page clearly symbolises bruno handing the arrow to giorno through his sacrifice
>everyone's arguing about the literal mechanics

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>everyone
Just two retards.

Jojo always combines its mechanics with its symbology, the thematics can change how the story unfolds which is why people who think the mechanics have to make sense like never understand it

two is too many

>blue sky

absolutely disgusting

You are delusional. Your interpretation of what happened contradicts the entire chapter.

You say Diavolo could have kept the arrow if he destroyed SCR - Bruno says the reason that he didn't destroy SCR was so that he could keep the arrow
You say the arrow teleports when SCR is destroyed - we see it fall to the ground
You say Bruno handed the arrow to Giorno - we see that the souls can touch the arrow while their bodies are switching back

Nobody mentions a teleporting arrow
We never see Bruno's spirit holding the arrow

And everything that you're saying is based on... a panel of Giorno holding the arrow. Are you not even willing to consider that you might be wrong?

>we see that the souls can touch the arrow while their bodies are switching back
*can't, sorry about that. I hope that doesn't cause too much confusion.

>dude, like, soul! the good people LITERALLY all went to heaven!
And I thought jojo was supposed to be mature

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Explain doppio

God trish is so fucking pretty. I don't even necessarily want to fuck her like an animal but i just love looking at her. I want to massage her feet and learn to properly take care of them so i can lick her soles and suck her toes. I want her to use me like a toilet(only piss, scat is disgusting and girls dont poop) and she'd sit on my face and pee directly into my mouth then I'd lick her clean. Speaking about cleaning I'd want to bathe her using only my tounge by licking her all over, especially her armpits, feet, asshole, vagina, back. It'd be so fun to dress her up and make her wear fun casual clothes while we lay down together and watch shows or she browses her phone next to me.

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I honestly hate Trish's design. Her first outfit when she appeared with Pericolo was so cute, while the main one looks retarded and has stupid math symbols all over it.

What’s wrong with math symbols?

It's good because it shows off a lot of skin.

The dumbest thing about this thread isn’t the claim that the arrow literally teleports, but the claim that the arrow literally teleporting would be good writing.

Did you just write this or is it a copypasta?

It would be good writing because it fits the THEMES of Part 5, the themes which seem to be different in every conversation to suit the current argument.

yes and I also want to lick her feet

hahahahha fucking based

Showing Giorno announcing he's the boss is retarded as it absolutely kills any and all pacing.
The explanation in PHF is fine, nobody knew who the boss was so Giorno just says it's him and he only revealed himself to remove some traitors.

I wrote it because i love trish

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Holy shit, pick one
>giorno looms around dumbly for the arrow

>giorno reaches out to bruno's spirit for the last time as it fades, leaving the arrow in his hand as a reminder for what he needs to do

*looks around dumbly

Diavolo was being a pussy the entire fight.
He would have won had he not killed Narancia right away. The gang wouldn't have figured out he was among them, just that Diavolo was likely still around, Giorno would've never thought to check how many souls are inside each person, Bruno would've destroyed the weird orb thing, Diavolo would've gone back to his body and stabbed KC with the arrow.
Diavolo constantly taking shortcuts and trying to rush everything is what fucked him over in the end.

>Imagine thinking gary stuvanna was a decent character at all with defined motivations.
Giorno has the most defined motivations of any JoJo's character. He outright lists all of them in the opening chapters.
You'd have to be absolutely braindead to not know what they are, and based on your spacing, I wouldn't put it past you to be that fucking stupid.

>36 off-pitch versions of Avalon play at once

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>Shitty writing style, legit reads like it was written by a 5 year old
Not an argument, this requires elaboration.
>Shitty OC characters
PHF is known for having some of the best original stands in the series and the most well developed cast.
>Returning characters act wildly OoC the entire time
The only returning characters are Mista and Giorno. If you're talking about the dream sequence, that is a dream where everything is better than it should be or ever could be.
Mista acts fairly rationally if PHF does correlate with Golden Heart, Golden Ring. Even if it doesn't, Mista is dealing with a traitor that has a similar stand to a guy he already fought against. Can't be too careful.
>Absolutely retarded fanservice, there's no reason for the stone mask to come back and Tonio's secret mafia brother is just so dumb it's unreal
The stone mask is there because yes, fanservice in an optional side novel, but also because it helps separate characters and expands on them, as well as expanding on Giorno without him even being there.
>Lazy, utterly basic story with zero interesting plot points whatsoever
I would've considered responding to this point but it isn't a point. It's a generalized opinion and your following statement shows that it is a completely uninformed opinion.

It's carrying on the last strong will of Polnareff, that being to protect the arrow. First, it removes you from your body, then it turns the projection of your soul against you, then is mutates everybody with beings from other dimensions until nobody is left to take the arrow.
The mini sun is there because it casts a shadow of your soul or some shit.

GER doesn't have a weakness because it's a complete Requiem Stand, unlike Chariot Requiem.
Theoretically, it does have a weakness, that being that it can't use its main power on somebody who hasn't attacked it.

>Diavolo was being a pussy the entire fight.
>Diavolo constantly taking shortcuts and trying to rush everything is what fucked him over in the end.
So what you're saying is that he should have sat quiet and waited in order to win? Isn't that being a pussy?

That's pretty ballsy to be so close to everybody and not make a single move, and just KNOW that you'll win.
Pussy moves are attacking from the shadows then fucking BOLTING out of there.

I think it's more ballsy to risk exposing yourself by making a move. It's not like Diavolo could have known what was going to happen in the fight, he can only see ten seconds ahead.

Yeah, but you're just projecting your location with how he killed Narancia. That wasn't ballsy, that was retarded.
>huh, they just killed the guy they thought was me
>better kill the blonde kid (as he probably doesn't know who's who) when there's nobody else around except they group
>oh shit they figured out I'm inside one of them

I don't think it's that dumb. He doesn't know how the sequence of events was about to play out, so he took advantage of an opportunity to get a free kill. Things would have worked out better for him if he didn't but that's only in hindsight.

Dumb move or not, it isn't more pussy than just sitting around doing nothing.

should have sent josuke

He doesn't have the long range stand required for the reconnaissance

What else would a turtle do?
>retard

Also, what happened to the Koichi/Jotaro arc in part 5? Giorno gave his own ADN to koichi or how?

What about
>Giorno picks up the arrow that Bruno’s actions have allowed him to obtain.
Are you happy with that?

is almost like the idealization in anime of something that is bad in real life is a retarded shit to do because later you have plotholes like theses

>Giorno wanted the arrow to become the boss and stop selling drugs(to kids)
Giorno wanted to stop selling drugs to everybody, that's why he and Bruno connected. Drugs were actively ruining the city, it's just that selling drugs to children is the most reprehensible part of it.
>both are/were the boss of an evil organization that murder people and steals.
As well as keeps the streets clean, like Bruno's gang does.
>the arrow still chose Giorno over Diavolo even if they both had almost the same purposes with drugs being the only difference.
Giorno had actual resolve. He wanted to change Passione, while Diavolo wanted to maintain a status quo.
Also, the arrow never chose Diavolo because he never stabbed himself. The arrow bounced off of him and fell through him. The 'worthy to possess the arrow' line is something only said by Diavolo, when the arrow is basically just Kars' Stone Mask, pushing Stands even further.
>polnaref is a good person and yet stayed with Giorno at the end, probably looking at him while he orders Mista to kill somebody who didn't pay his protection fees.
Except that probably never happened. Rolling Stones shows that even before considering murder, Bruno would investigate first. The only part of the gang that killed first was the Hitman Team and Diavolo's personal allies from what we saw.
>never told about this criminal organization to jotaro
He probably did since he's on good terms with Koichi and Polnareff, and trust Pol enough to let him hold onto the arrow.

The modern mafia is rooted entirely in Renaissance Italian families running the place, and they weren't always bad. Lorenzo de' Medici is a prime example of a stellar "mob boss".

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>Rolling Stones shows that even before considering murder, Bruno would investigate first.
That was for a job someone else was asking them to do. It's different when the mob itself wants someone dead (see Giorno and Bruno's first encounter)

Its practicaly cannon given how much akari liked it.

There was a very good reason behind wanting Giorno dead though. He killed one of their men.

P5 was less about the big bad battle but the friends we made along the way

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>OP is literally a self-admitted redditor.
oh no no no