Lord El-Melloi II Case Files 07

At this point? Doubt it.
Unless she comes back as BLACKED Avenger or something but fuck that, I don't want it to be like that.

She's a female, so, no

5 minutes.

Chaldeas will spit her out just in time to take back over in Part 3 after Da Vinci and Holmes get permanently gone

Nah. It is very likely that she's deader than dead at this point.

5 mins

get in here niggas

Link a good stream?

Moonlight Lostroom Material specifically says she is not dead nor alive. They are totally setting up she to be the alien priestess.

Lurk moar.

Chaldeas already got frozen by Anastasia though (Kirei/Rasputin told her to do so since Rayshift is the biggest counter attack to the God). Olga has been heavily implied to be the Priestess of the Foreign Star and she already appeared before that. Also her body got bomb'd before her soul/mind got rayshifted to Singularity F anyway.

starting

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>want to get mahjong over with but some dumb motherfucker is afk and taking forever to discard
FUCK I just want to watch Waver's anime.

BROS

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Olga SMOL
Olga QT

Cute Olga.

lol Hishiri is harassing Waver

So are mages in FSN like Telvanni in that if you kill them, or in this case, outlast them in a battle royale, you get all their shit and the clocktower doesn't give a shit?

OP

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YVETTE DESS

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No, Waver's case was special. He didn't actually kill him and he made a temporal deal with the other surviving family member, who besides getting a partly damaged Family Crest, actually benefited a lot
from Kayneth's death as she gets to become the family head, as well as getting a loan to purchase Kayneth's class.
Probably if you outlast them it's going to be worse and they will try to kill you/ruin your career. If Kayneth had survived the war, he would have made sure that Waver was either killed or would have removed any chances of him ever stepping into the Clock Tower ever again.

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LIZ LOVE

Don't take the deal Kairi

Well I said outlast because I know Waver specifically didn't kill Kayneth(but probably did play a role in his downfall)

Oh, Liongo again.

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Why wasn't Kairi and Mordred the MCs of Apocrypha?

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Well, in which case it was an acceptable risk for everyone involved in the ritual. After all, it's a 'war'.
Actually Waver stealing from him allowed him to get a servant much better suited for him. With Rider, Kayneth would have lost in a day or two after Rider would have gotten tired of his bullshit.
Meanwhile Lancer was the best servant possible for him out of all the ones in the war. He was a loyal dog who was obsessed with his being useful to his current Lord/master. If he had just gotten his wife out of the way and actually worked a little with his servant, they had great chances of at least surviving until the Gilgamesh, where they would have died because Lancer had no counter to the Gate of Babylon or Ea.

She wishes, as does the rest of the female cast

I want the main cast to save her so she can go back to being part of the group. She didn't deserve her fate at all.

Weirdest looking mystic eye I've seen.

OH NO, SHE'S GOT A MAGICAL EYE POWER
>YOU FOOLS, WE ALL HAVE MAGICAL EYE POWERS

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clairvoyance

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oh no

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>Lancer is the most suited to him
I mean, probably not. That stupid fucking mole really proved how Luck in FSN is not just a dump stat

Future Sight, more like.

I hope the anime can kickstart some more Olga fanart.

Saber

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Old man can see the past, okay, that doesn't explain why the fuck he knows exactly what King Arthur looked lke.

Does this count enough for a New Type Poll?

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Is that a priest, or does he just wear that cross for fashion?

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pregnant

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Man, that hairbun is fucking massive, it's practically a second head.

He saw Caliburn though.

Murder on the Rail Zeppelin Express.

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I'm pretty sure he gets info along with the images.

Not anymore

He is a member of the Church yeah. That's why everyone was wary of him when he entered the train. He is basically an enemy for everyone there.

rip bun

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Only because he brought his retarded waifu. For him, a man, it does actually nothing.
There was no need to take his wife around like if he was going through a vacation in Japan, when there was a real chance that he could both get killed, or her being used against him like it ended happening.
Lancer was pretty good personality wise because he didn't minded being treated like shit and was loyal to the bone.
It was a bad case of bad ego, but out of all the servants in that HGW, he was the one with the best synergy with Kayneth.

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Oh shit, it's the Rail Tracer.

She didn't see that coming.

there was a man with an elephant head

SOMEBODY SAVES OLGA

Did you speedwatch through the anime? He brought Sola Ui because he was using her as a spare mana battery, not on a lark, you idiot.

ED

Olga bullying intensifies.

Rail Zeppelin it's a place regented by a vampire where supernatural creatures meet after all.

That's probably gonna be a plot point.

>please save me Lev

What's up with her?
So... who was this one and what happened?
Is she gonna die again? For fuck sake

Why must she always have the pure suffering look?

>Is she gonna die again? For fuck sake
She doesn't.

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So this episode ended at the very end of Chapter 2 so next episode it's probably end with the Faker reveal.

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It's her thing.

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She wouldn't die before her time

Olga is made for torture doujins

whodunnit

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Ok, that's fine
INteresting

twitter.com/jacomamire/status/1162749188469211136

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Why must such a great design be wasted on suffering porn?

who is this semen alexander

I wonder if in the next episode we will get the train diagram picture to explain the train's structure.

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Is she a servant? She sure dresses like one?

>she

Hephaestion. But not really she is Hephaestion nameless twin sister and the magical double to both Alexander and his brother. You know, if some other kingdom throws at spell at them, she would be the one to receive it instead. She is their shadow.

>his brother
I menat her, sorry for the brain fart.

A convenient sacrifice prepared by Olympia to protect Alexander and Hephaestion.

She is not.

Yet

Because the writing was shit.

I can’t self insert as a necromancer who wants his daughter back.

If Waver had coached Waver for the Grail war how far would Waver had made it?

You know she totally did that on purpose.

She's just a slut lusting after Waver's D.

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Atticus should have won that duel against nightshroud but still die.

It's out.

Olga deserves at least a pseudo servant fucking Gudao is Charlemagne and Gudako is a crazed samurai.

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EGAO

Not really any different since Iskandar needs mana more than wits, and Waver still won't be giving him enough unless El-Melloi II tells Waver to be used as Iskandar's onahole.

>Finally get a servant voiced by Nana Mizuki.
>It's this goofy bitch.

>Nasu took inspiration from Urobutcher
>Nasu Likes Olga now like Takenuchi likes saber

>Nasu likes to immagine himself being just at the side of Olga while she suffer to be a emotional support and confort her just before leading her into a room and raping her while watching her face twisting due the suffering

She probably was looking for a change in type from her Dark Magical girl/broken girl types she's known for.

>Gudaoface and Gudakoface have inverted hair colors

Neat

So is Gray infatuated with Waver or what?

Yes. But he's gay. Also who wouldn't like Waver?

Plot's starting to pick up. Before the episode started I thought it was fucking dumb that we haven't had any Holy Church characters showing up, and then bam - giga nigga from the seido kyoukai appears.

Pretty tight.

The next arc also has Church people involved.

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Also, the fact that he has mystic eyes means that they were passed on as a "miracle" reward for years of service, that's how it was with Kotomine having access to magic.

Should I just start reading this?

Arguably. Who knows, maybe Iskander would have been able to change Kayneth's worldview like how he changed Waver's.

user.

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I like how they represented the past sight as bubbles, because that's how it's explained later the past can be perceived from the present.

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Her body blew up.

No, it says she's absent/nonexistent, not that she didn't die. Her BODY did die what happened to her soul is something more grim.

Chaldea was bought by Gordolf who is "what if Olga had an actual characterization?" the character.

The point is, Lev is said to be the "dead", Guda is said to be the "living" and Olga is the "absent". She is put in a position that it's neither dead or alive.

>If Kayneth had survived the war, he would have made sure that Waver was either killed or would have removed any chances of him ever stepping into the Clock Tower ever again.
We actually don't know that. Any post-meeting by TM of Waver and Kayneth after the war (in a surviving scenario) has Kayneth indeed accepting him as his successor.

>Her body blew up
Like creating a new body is difficult.

movco - shit 240p quality and delay
n33tball - shit 480p quality
dtv - alright quality but streamed ATX today
abema - needs VPN

What else am I missing here?

Well yeah, he was the person who saved her from the Arthur cult that was raising her.

>showing you've got Mystic Eyes on the Mystic Eye Collection Train
dumb bint, of course those are getting stolen

Her father hasn't met Kirsch yet to replace her as his successor/heir but soon.

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Oh no!
Rail Tracer is here!
Everyone is going to die!!

So where are the vampires

She is kind of occupied plot wise to be a Servant yet.

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Rita Rozay-en fled from the train after Touko wrecked her auction. She now has Leandra working in her place and she communicates with her lackeys with a shadow silhouette.

>broken girl types
She's still broken.

Oh neat, another character with Mystic Eyes of Premonition.

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Haydee looks like Gudako with long hair.

>Chaldea was bought by Gordolf
Well to be fair, Koyanskaya is the one that manipulated the MA's choice of new director. Too bad Gordolf didn't know anything about this.
Also for the "actual characterization", if Olga had one it would still be different from Gordolf's. The background are quite similar but their personalities are still different. Think of them like Kadoc and Guda (similar background but different personality).

Yes? It is? Da Vinci only had time to create a shittier loli version of herself and that one is on life support already.

Absent as in "non existent." It's not about a state that's in between or unknown but that she's been erased. It's deader than death.

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FGO was a mistake.

What is on Olga's mind at the moment?

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>Absent as in "non existent." It's not about a state that's in between or unknown but that she's been erased. It's deader than death.
Not quite because her dream still was one of the dreams that formed the whole Moonlight Lostroom situation.

Also it's pretty evident they are foreshadowing that with the whole "Nothingness" that the alien priestess is said to be made of. This is the other imaginary element that it's not the "Hollow" the usual imaginary numbers represent.

The idea is alright, the mobage format just doesn't allow for any good storytelling though.

"daddy pls stop wasting on money on expensive gay hookers"

Waver gets the mantle back, right? So it's not the reason why he's not participating, right?

>Not quite because her dream still was one of the dreams that formed the whole Moonlight Lostroom situation.
Yes, the priestess, which was the void in the room. The leftover of Olga, but isn't quite Olga, is she?

Olga is STILL dead, her soul state is what is more mysterious. She was dead before Lev threw her into Chaldeas.

I don't know why Marisbury didn't just engaged Olga to Kirsch, it would have ensured the smooth future for the Lordship and the Faculty. Though I'm glad because Ophelia has a chance in some AU they survive.

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We can assume that Marisbilly did the same shit to become the AYY. Remember that Chaldeas rayshifted Guda and Mashu while both were outside the Coffins.

Not that user but
>Not quite because her dream still was one of the dreams that formed the whole Moonlight Lostroom situation.
It didn't. According to Lostroom booklet (check the diagram at 08:12 youtu.be/LPl4eWisktE)
>pink: 生者の夢 (dream of a living person)
>yellow: 未明の夢 (unrealized dream/the dream before dawn)
>blue: 死者 (dream of the dead)
>red: Observer's eyes (観測者の目) the main story of Moonlight/Lostroom
Olga's dream is not in here

He's kind of busy with the case. And meets Iskandar again in the end.

It's probably similar as that dude of episode 2. Their bodies are dead though.

I didn't follow Case Files translation. Are you saying that the entirety of it happens a few months before HGW and he literally can't travel to Fuyuki because of that?

>Though I'm glad because Ophelia has a chance in some AU they survive.
Well yeah. After all Kirsch does care about Ophelia to some degree.
>However, if there was a mistake here---
>…Although we have only known each other for a few years, I knew well how gentle of a woman you were.
>Ophelia.
>Do you really think that highly of me?

>---Then, I shall answer.
>In the name of the Human Order Revision, I deny Panhuman History, and shall construct a new truth.
>People of Chaldea. We Crypters shall be the ones to survive.
it is kinda sad isn't it, Ophelia

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So why is Caules here?

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This case starts a whole other business that results in the last two cases and the climatic final fight (that happens at the same time Shirou is summoning Saber). So yeah, Waver kind of gets derailed by a more pressing matter at hand.

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Scans soon, right?

>The train was created by vampires
>Dead Apostles are beings that deny the human order, the timelines where they are strong don't even allow for servants to manifest
Do magi actually approve of making deals with them? Wouldn't the church try to attack the train or its costumers?

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tomorrows dreamer: roman (literally it's a hint about his name meaning).
living dreamer: guda.
dead dreamer: lev.
gone/absent dreamer: olga.
observer: galahad (who never spoke of dreams/was sleeping).

Well, Zelretch is a vampire and he is an important figure in the Clock Tower.

But also the Barthomeloi hate vampires with passion and hunt them as a sport, so I guess Rita has some pretty good protections in the train. Which makes Touko forcing her to flee even more funny.

Well, isn't Zelretch's case a very special one? He is not overly hostile to humans and they cannot really make him to go away using force. Plus he's got true magic.

Fuyuki happens in the last novel while Waver is busy dealing with the main antagonist when Shirou summons Saber Gray reacts to it and gains new powers and more Saber-like appearance

He actually had a personality. Something MC’s in anything with FATE in the name of the anime can’t have.

Thats a hella dumb name.

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Not quite. Kamekura's eyes literally predetermined the future and set them (測定). Trisha's magic eyes merely see a possibility in the future (予測). Actually living with Kamekura's eyes basically makes you a slave like the novel pointed out though.

In the novel he was kind of forced because he found some spell left by Flat and accidentally eavesdropped a conversation about all this. But that was removed because the Prologue and Chapter 1 was mainly replaced by episode 6.

But here they seem to have set up Caules having some kind of personal interest in the auction I guess.

Is her dad gonna appear?

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What does a sphere made of animu look like?

It's not that the vamps can do shit against the manifestation, is that in worlds where they have advantage, the manifestation doesn't happen.

He's the most normal student.

Can you read Japanese? That arc isn't translated.

The TLd novels so far aren't covered by the anime either though.

I'd make her forget her name, if you know what I mean.

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If you know nihongo, you should read them because they're cool.

He has a scene in the novels so maybe.

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has the third one from the left guy appeared yet ?

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I wonder does the author plan on wring another few books on the great Grail dismantling. He probably does, right? On a side note, why does Waver hate Gray's face? He only saw Saber 3 times in Zero and 2 times they were allies. Just because he had to walk from the countryside after she blew up the chariot?

>In the novel he was kind of forced because he found some spell left by Flat and accidentally eavesdropped a conversation about all this.
Forced by Waver? But why, since Gray is usually enough to handle any trouble.

Not yet. They skipped his early scenes (which weren't really important so whatever).

>On a side note, why does Waver hate Gray's face? He only saw Saber 3 times in Zero and 2 times they were allies. Just because he had to walk from the countryside after she blew up the chariot?
The reason why Waver has PTSD of Saber mostly because he thinks she killed Kayneth.
Also Gray asked him to keep hating her face during their first meeting.

Yeah, Sanda said on twitter that Jeanmario is going to show up next week.

That elephant man is going to be badass, right?

And I fucked up, he saw Saber 4 times, 3 times as an ally.

I think there's a rule that Nasu will eventually write the dismantling himself. Or at least, that's what Narita believes.

And most of Waver hating Gray's face is because Gray asked him to. One of the first things she said to him was "please keep hating my face" after he expressed shock the first time he saw it.

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Sanda is a good writer and I want him to write more Fate works. If you like him there's an old anime called Rental Magica that's based on novels he wrote and FGO artist pako illustrated.

Sanda talks about this at the final afterword and I think the plan is for Nasu write it at one point. Case Files was kind of a setup for the dismantlement too, with Waver being able to grow from his trauma.

So never I guess.

>I wonder does the author plan on wring another few books on the great Grail dismantling. He probably does, right?
Nasu would (unfortunately) never let him.

The fuck is wrong with this girl?

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He has a scene he establishes he's not an affectionate parent and that he decides not to join the Grail War.

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She is thirsty for Lord's dick!
But said Lord is straight as rainbow!

She wants to be manhadled by Waver.

>she killed Kayneth
She technically did. He's probably aware Kayneth and Sola were decapitated.
I got it. I'll check BL for translations later.

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The hardest thing about writing the dismantling war is that it would require choosing a definitive ending for F/SN. Any large-scale conflict in Fuyuki is obviously going to involve Shirou and Sakura, and how they would participate is gonna be wildly different depending on the ending. Then you have the other kind of endings like HA where most of the Servants are also there and Bazett survived too.

Or they could just do a cop-out and say "Shirou and Sakura are out of town while all this is going on" so they don't have to deal with it.

So what, he does nothing in the world lines not named FGO and Extra?

Someone correct me if I'm retarded, but the show hasn't mentioned that she introduced herself to Waver as Meluastea spy right?

Or he could do an alternative route. Like Extella not following the original Extra but an alternative Extella/Zero route he wrote in his blog.

>Extra
Speculation is that he's at fault for the whole world going to shit in Extra, and it seems like he's just too poor to get shit done in FSN.

But didn’t UBW anime add in the extra scenes of Shirou and Rin at the clock tower? Surely they must have some anime of going forward.

He knows that the Grail in FSN is corrupted and isn't interested since it can't grant his wishes.

Yeah but given the state of Nasu's writing, I'd much rather trust Sanda to handle it.

Tangent on this, but is it ever explained why exactly FGO's Grail War was completely different from the regular timeline? As in, why it was the 1st and not the 5th?

IIRC one of the few things we know about the dismantling war is that Shirou is in Fuyuki, but he is incapacitated early and doesn't recover until everything is over.

Corrupted grail is useless to him.

Gonna need to give a source on that cause I have never heard of this.

Who would even care about the dismantling besides Zouken and Acht? Neither Church nor Clock Tower are really interested in it anyway. I guess the main reason is preventing mini-HGWs like in Apoc but even then a lot of hem happened and all were inconsequential in the end.

I'm still fine with Nasu writing. When he tries, it still ends up pretty good (Mahoyo), but it's just he hasn't had a reason to try in forever since FGO rakes in cash for no effort.

I haven't heard anything about it, and the Fuyuki singularity is still a mystery.

It was quite big event on scale of actual hgw.

>Mahoyo
7 years ago user. The last thing he wrote that presumably was out of passion was the Extra anime and we all know what a disaster that was.

I think you mean Takeuchi Nasu still has some aces up his sleeve. Takeuchi goes to Wikipedia for 5 minutes to excuse his fetish’s

>Ooooo she’s like Joan of Arc but Indian great just gotta change her skin color

muh

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Yeah that's why I mentioned it.
Knows how? Everyone in the 4th and 5th are super surprised that Angra was even summoned in the first place. And nobody but Kotomine and Kiritsugu knows it's corrupted.

>Neither Church nor Clock Tower are really interested in it anyway.
The whole Dismantlement happens because the Clock Tower found that the Great Grail can punch a hole to the Root and decided to reactivate it. That's like the whole point explained in the World Material.

He hired the main antagonist of the this series to investigate it way back when.

If the earlier episodes of Case Files is anything to go by, the reason nobody at the Clock Tower really cares is because someone is suppressing information about the whole thing.

By the time the fifth war is finished, they've probably got a good idea on the fact that the Grail War in Fuyuki is actually a big deal.

Acht is dead. The Einzbern deactivate after the FIfth War is over, Acht shuts down the entire factory along with himself if Illya loses, all of that was explained in UBW's Anime booklet.

Also the dismantlement war happens because the Clock Tower gets interested into what the Greater Grail is and decide to make it functional again.

No idea. This guy is a mystery. But he knows somehow.

In Clocktower 2015 he's still head of Faculty of Celestial Bodies (Tsukihime/Mahoyo). Lev was still in his faculty too before his suicide.

We don't know in other Fate timelines though. He seems busy and his fuckery if it's the one behind Extra will happen but on 20xx year.

Marisbury hired Heartless to investigate.

>seems like he's just too poor to get shit done in FSN.
Nigga what? He's still rich as fuck. You know he bought two atomic submarines in FGO BEFORE going to the war?

Leopard also streamed AT-X today but was on MX last week.

Relatively poor, not rich enough to get his impossible project financed.

Got a point, though kind of excuse him since it was pretty damn apparent he had no idea how to write for an anime. I liked the premise of Last Encore, at least.

That's why he was interested in the HGW until he found it wasn't worth it.

The main antagonist of Case Files works for him and tips him.

Yeah, the only function of the grail after 3rd war is to birth angry manjew to end humanity.

It's also and principally going to involve Rin considering she's the city's Second Owner.

He's not poor, but incredibly wealthy with multi nationals under his wing. It's just that his project requires the wealth of many nations to put together.

It doesn't matter if he's the one who fucked Extra, he doesn't need a wish to fuck over everybody it seems. And this ritual will happen in EVERY fate Timeline, it just happens later.

Yeah okay, that makes sense. Too bad it's in side materials.
I really appreciate you keeping spoilers down.
You had to jinx it, didn't you.

Even assuming that Angra Mainyu did get born, I doubt he would've ended humanity. Maybe wipe out Japan, but the Clock Tower would've eventually sent someone to take care of it. Failing that, Counter Guardians.

Did he write Babylon episode 0?

>finds about about the HGW
>actually does his research and concludes it's a fucking scam
So does that make Marisbury one of the highest IQ characters in Type Moon?

Yeah. Just like the Lostroom OVA. All content with Romani is written by him.

Why was Olga such a shitter when her father is flawless?

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So what exactly he does? I'm pretty sure in Prisma the Ainsworth world is fucked because of Grain. Same shit here? Everything leads to Notes anyway?

Maybe she's adopted.

It always strikes me as weird how the HGW isn't that big of a deal until the Greater Grail is revealed. Like, even ignoring that, they literally summon heroic spirits from legend as well as offer a chance to get enough mana to grant any kind of wish. Surely the CT would think that summoning familiars that powerful, or getting that amount of mana for free, would be worth looking into?

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>Yes? It is?
Touko says hi.

>Mystic eyes are ranked
So where do Mystic Eyes of Death Perception fall into?

Not only he wrote it (screenplay is his), when they had meetings about how they should recap the singularities with the team, he pushed for the idea of episode 0 because he wanted the anime only viewers to know Roman and Mashu beforehand. The recap of singularities is lesser in importance to "Roman's journey" and "Mashu's growth" (it's just the backdrop).

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The absolute top tier, rainbow (虹).

Where the fukc did you get this idea?

The ritual failed multiple times taking away lives of most participants. And there were more than 700 grails before that. Mages care only about reaching the Root, summoning heroes is not important.

Rainbow of course. It was said directly in FGO.

The ones Medusa has are Jewel.

Absolute highest rank where there can only be one wielder of them at once in single timeline.

World Material says that they were very interested during the HGW2 times, but after all the succesive failures the magical world just lost all interest.

I think it's stated she actually has a lot of potential as a mage, but her rayshift and Master capabilities are null so her father probably went for his student that had all of those.

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>Absolute highest rank where there can only be one wielder of them at once in single timeline.
Wrong. The death god Lugh had them in every timeline. There can't be one born on the same period of time though.

I dunno, maybe from everything the Ainsworths actually said about this "particle"?

Don't you mean Balor?

Wodime was Marisbury's chosen heir as Celestial Bodies Lord, though. And he's said to be one of the top magus of his generation. Olga being fine as magus doesn't mean she can measure up to him who literally beat Caenis in combat.

That's because Leopard embeds stream from dtv

There were several dead gods with them, I mean they cannot be born two users on the same timeline that are contemporary with each others. It doesn't matter if they are apart for hundred of eyes, though. Ryogi and Tohno are too close.

Someday we'll see shota and lolis versions of the Crypters (minus Hinako).

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>Defeating an Age of Gods hero as a magus
Weren't the Marshals (except Kaleidoscope, because he cheats) supposed to only be able to fight with 'average' servants? Is he stronger than them?

We don't know what he did exactly, we just know he bested them.

>summoning heroes is not important
Being able to do research on AOG magic or other priceless artifacts seems like a fairly big deal.

What about the Distortion ones Asagami Fujino has? They seemed to have a lot destructive potential.

Crypters are the "strongest Masters" (and Kadoc) chosen by Marisbury.

Those are Rainbow too. Hers are super broken too, they can "bend" anything regardless of its actual hardness. They ignore mohs scale as if it was paper.

>Same shit here? Everything leads to Notes anyway?
The only thing Marisbury cares is testing his own theories, about what? we don't fucking know for now except in concerns CHALDEAS and also maybe the Root.
He don't fucking cares about anybody else methods and the only reason he joined the FGO grail war unlike in Stay Night was because it could grant his wish for a fuckton of money to fund Chaldea.
And no, not everything leads to Notes who is a bad end, the good route is humanity fucking of from Earth and becoming a spacefaring specie like how Gilgamesh saw it.

I hardly think they were chosen because of Master aptitude. Marisbilly knew from day one the world is going to shit and that bleaching is the only way. The question is why did he bother with literally everyone but Kirsch.

Notes it's a bad ending like Tsuki no Sango.

And now everyone suspects Daybit to be the one who pointed him with a gun.

So what Extra is a good route because everyone is digital in the Moon Cell?

Could someone please post a stitch of Luvia after she entered the cafe?

Mystic Eyes of Premonition and Mystic Eyes of Retrocognition? That's cool.

Well, besides the rest of the jobbers, one of them was a True Ancestor, so that's something.

Was that timeline dumped in the Lostbelt trashcan yet? If not yes, it is still a correct route.

Vampires and Magi have similar natures.
Also lots of vampires are magi.
They just hate each other because one group is composed of humans and the other of vampires

Yeah, just look at what both casters did in Apocrypha, what Fake Caster did in F/SF and what caster did in F/SN. They can just shit out of their asses artifacts and resources that are either impossible to get for them in present times or just that would be worth more than entire houses of magi.
Summoning a Caster would be really invaluable for any Magi, even if they get a shitty one like Shakespeare or Fake Caster, they are still guys capable of fabricating some top tier Mystic Codes (Noble Phantasms) in no time.

It's all but confirmed Daybit was the one who pointed the gun at him. He has a Grand servant, is the Master of the last Lostbelt, was kicked from the weirdest faction of CT and is very mysterious all around.

The director of Atlas is a vampire and magi in Fate so yeah, the Clock Tower couldn't give a shit about what they do if it's still in the Mage Association code of conduct.

>He has a Grand servant
Is that confirmed? Maybe he just works with the Grand to stabilize his beyond fucked up LB? Marisbilly didn't summon Shlomo in the grand container after all.

That just proves that
>CT > Atlas shitters

The Barthomeloi still hates them so you don't see vampires that usually.

>Yeah, just look at what both casters did in Apocrypha, what Fake Caster did in F/SF and what caster did in F/SN. They can just shit out of their asses artifacts and resources that are either impossible to get for them in present times or just that would be worth more than entire houses of magi.
>Summoning a Caster would be really invaluable for any Magi, even if they get a shitty one like Shakespeare or Fake Caster, they are still guys capable of fabricating some top tier Mystic Codes (Noble Phantasms) in no time.
But will they? Even a shit Caster is still stronger than 99% of modern magus

I wonder what is their reaction everytime when Zelrecht comes to London.

>she didn't fucking die

Holy shit.

>killing a Clocktower Lord's daughter
That would just be rude

No. Stop mistaking your headcanon for actual canon.

It's better than her dad's. Which is either Marisbilly or Marisbury

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Pretty cool
twitter.com/troyca_inc/status/1162750515068801024

So why did Gray react to this?

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Looks a lot better before they add on all the filters and shit

>soul
>souless

We don't know if it's a Grand Servant or someone with a Superior Graph like Qin. But if it's a Grand Servant aligning with him it COUL confirm he's a good guy who is just too autistic to spit out what the fuck was Moneybills into.

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It's obscene. Gray is sensitive to spirits and Trisha was purposely giving off an repulsive aura so people wouldn't notice it.

Oh no. WATCH OUT!

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What about the sword?

So with the bar talk that's 4 versions of the letimotiff, I'm really liking it as Waver's theme. Great OST in general, really.

Gray's skinny, pale hands!!!!!

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Where is Zelretch?

Taking care of Earth's avatar (in a different timeline)

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>Muh gothic lolita piece of trash character bringing down all the scenes they're in
God fucking dammit, here and in Strange Fake with Prelatti.

I don't even mind the designs that much other than the gaudy colors clashing with the surroundings. It's the fucking mannerisms and speech that drive me up the wall. Just learn some self-restraint Japan.

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"No. This train doesn't have wi-fi."

>"It's been a while, lady"
>"Hmm... Even the lord of Norwich recognizes my face at least?"
So have they met before not not?

>those tits

Wow. I guess the gods and magicians of ancient Greece were FUCKING BLIND.

>not LOVING Prelati

Is this show ever gonna have an Iskandar scene that isn't just stuff shown in Zero?

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At the end, maybe?

So what are her abilities? Can she Chariot? Can she Zeus Juice? Can she horsie? Can she AYLALALAALA?

It's more of an automatic thing. She even has that skill now and basically can redirect any spell that targets her Master into herself.

user, wake up, doesn't matter how it looks like, it's still GAY.

Only if they adapt all the way to the final novel and that's quite a few seasons to go.

Of fucking course she will, I mean the final lostbelt will be heavily related to marisbury since the guy that killed him is the one behind it so the obvious thing to happen is that she'll go back and fight him or some shit.

Magic Resistance, redirecting magic spells and curses to herself, magic chariot.
Plus strength, speed, etc fitting for an heroic spirit from the age of gods

>not wanting to spread your seed to everything under the sun

So does Waver get stronger or does he just rely on his intellect, luck, and Grey forever?

The latter.

This is not powerlevel shounen, user. You won't get your training arc and 5 episodes of screaming.

Skeleton chariot, AoG magecraft, Noble Color Mystic Eyes of Coercion, redirect curses to herself.

So it seems there's a B plot going on using Liongo/Luvia outside and the necromancer from episode 2 in the train. That's pretty neat, and gives some more weight to first half's filler, though I'm genuinely surprised squinty eyes showed up again. Maybe we'll actually get to see him cast some spells, after seeing Will's word magic I'm actually looking forward to it.

>I don't know why Marisbury didn't just engaged Olga to Kirsch,

I mean, Marisbury kind of knew that Rayshifting was dangerous. It's not 100% safe, even if you have high compatibility like Kadoc. It's why he hired Hinako, because her TA body would have more resilience, meaning she'd have a higher chance of surviving in a scenario where the others died from the mere process.

>Noble Color Mystic Eyes of Coercion

Oooo. Kinky

Waver is the polar opposite of the Shirou/Shiki/Sieg/(you) protags. His skills are shit and will forever remain shit, while actually knowing what's going on with the plot rahter than being thrown into it.

Mages can't really get much stronger than their natural abilities allow them and Waver is 3rd rate.

Waver is in Iskandar's army during his NP, right? Wouldn't Iskandar be able to remember Waver through that work-around?

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We'll probably get to see Marisbilly and him stating how he doesn't care for his daughter via Plot B, during Luvia/liongo's investigation

Just summon a Caster, use a command spell to order them to assist in your research or make you an artifact, then use another one to kill them when its all over.

nah thats just some guy

That isn't Waver.

I wonder what the Plot B is going to lead if they are going to investigate about the culprit. Because there are some things there that would be relevant in the last arc.

>use a command spell to order them to assist in your research
Too broad of a command and the Grail might not even accept you as a master if you have such intentions. It wants people to fight.
>make you an artifact
Might actually work, but see above
>then use another one to kill them when its all over
Unless they've managed to break the command spell system by then

I love that Kayneth was sort of right all along.

Olga is a great magus stop taking FGO trash seriously.

I was getting confused at the end of the episode
Does Gray have Artoria’s memories of killing Kayneth and his wife or something along those lines, and that’s why she was getting worried?

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ANIMU

Of course he was. Waver turned out to be vastly more important to the magical world in general though via his students.

I feel like I should know who this is.

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>Does Gray have Artoria’s memories of killing Kayneth and his wife or something along those lines, and that’s why she was getting worried?
no

God Marisbury is such a Gary Stu

A superb idea!

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We don't even know if they meet each other outside FGO timelines.

What the hell did she mean by this? Is Olga a slut?

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What did she mean by this

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It was a single work, he is not behind the main culprit actions right now.

>Gudao is Charlemagne and Gudako is a crazed samurai
For real or is this just like the coincidence of that servant in hetaloi looking a lot like waver for no reason?

I really wish people stopped talking about FGO crap in every fucking Fate thread.

FGO is a bizarro timeline that has shit to do with 99% of Fate.

Well yeah. He was a gigantic ass about it, but he was also genuinely teaching Waver a simple fact about magecraft. You don't just get to skip dozens of generations of magical research with your own effort, because ultimately each of those generations also put an entire lifetime of effort too. Waver's a third gen magus without a crest and that's the end of it.

And to clarify before someone tries to correct me: super rituals that can skip millions of generations and go directly to the root like the Einzbern's Heaven's Feel or Araya's murder-apartment are the culmination of their respective family's accumulated knowledge to reach the point of the ritual. Also, freaks being born with retarded cheat abilities are the exception that prove the rule, and they're within Kayneth's explanation.

Talent and lineage, it's that simple.

wew

God that will be so dumb I mean killing off a character right away for shock value then bring her back right at the end. What is the god damn point seriously why was Olga even in FGO what does she add to the story? I mean sure now during part 2 she has heavy plot connections being the daughter of Marisbury but she is dead and that memory of where a person used to be thing can't even talk. Also it is so dumb for a character with such plot connections to be killed of right away but I am sure part 2 wasn't planned at all until much later but then they should of come up with something else.

>sekrit auction train
>fucking everyone is there
I exaggerated the "fucking everyone" part but shit doesnt seem like a hard task to join. Nigga wot.

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Oh well that's not so bad but what about the speculation that he's at fault for the world being shit in Extra

Since when was Kayneth so important?
The title of lord sounds too awesone for him

Gray just wants Waver to be happy.

>some guy that specifically looks like Waver since day one and across multiple official depictions

>What is the god damn point seriously why was Olga even in FGO what does she add to the story?

To show that no nigga is safe and history repeats.

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So does Waver ever recover Kayneths Crest? Is that even possible?

You fucking fags. He literally joins Iskandar's army at the end of the novels. Throne of Heroes is outside the confines of time. Waver met his future self just like Shirou.

God... I fucking HATE FGOfags....

Kayneth was waaaaaaaay more important than Rin's backwater family of mages.

His lineage is well respected and powerful.

The El-melloi recover it but it's kinda shredded.

He may be an asshole but he was still a excellent magus and teacher at the Clock Tower.

This bitch be like "Sensei, Welcome to the Whorient Express!"

>excellent Magus
Then how did a literal who like Kiritsugu manage to beat him multiple times?

She was the next director after her family who died years ago. Why wouldn't she be? She had to die because Roman had to be the leader in part 1 and he wouldn't have stepped up unless he absolutely must, and she wasn't even qualified as a good director in the first place to pull her weight. She also might be an antagonist for part 2 so she got her tragic background already set up with a personal connection to Mashu when Mashu is forced to kill her.

He expected a noble mages fight and Kiritsugu is super specialized in fighting mages.

Urobuchi already said he kind of regrets not having Kayneth show his actual magical prowess by making him fight literally anyone else than Kiritsugu in Zero. Kiritsugu was just a very bad matchup for someone like him.

Here's hoping at some point we get a swift overview of the organization, al the while showing menacing shots of giga nigga, Kirei, and even Hansa for maximum fanservice. I'd include Ciel too, but without Roa in the Fate timeline...

10% of it remained, and it's actual restoration within a single lifespan is stated to be kind of an impossible task (it's an important part of the first volume).

During LN version of the first Reines/Waver talk, it was heavily implied that charging him with that mission was the equivalent of lifelong slavery. Waver's never getting out of being El Melon even if he pays debnt.

>how did the mage killer manage to beat a mage
gee i dunno

Mages don't know how technology works in Fate. Rin can't even use a TV.

Even Flat is probably the goal of the Escardos family's research over centuries even if they don't themselves realize it

Aren't the Tohsakas extra luddite?

Rin is exceptionally incompetent when it comes to technology but yeah. Even Kirei commented how a fax machine would be far better for sending letters remotely than Tokiomi's weird jewel scribe thing.

Would have been neat if he went and made Tokiomi retreat like a bitch after a fight with Gilgamesh otherwise occupied. It would have also further cemented Gil's disgust with Tokiomi.

i would swap iskandar for medusa

He jobbed because he was overconfident and let his pride being baited.

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Because Kiritsugu literally hunts mages for a living and has an autowin button against them (that works even strongly if said mage is first class).

It was even said that a Origin Bullet would only hurt Waver a bit, but with Kayneth he is completely fucked because his circuits are too good and making them implode amplifies the effect.

Is fighting people a must for being a good magus? You can still be a excellent magus by being a shut in for some centuries dedicated to your works and be considered excellent user.
The mages from the Wandering Sea does that and Gordolf compares as monsters like the Director of the Clock Tower.

Medusa is outright better in most cases, so it's a smart trade

Yeah, that's the idea. Incidentally, not sure if I'm calculating correctly here, but it seems like the Escardos founder who came with the plan was someone around Zelretch's pre-vampire time, so that's neat.

Loli tea party when?

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First off they didn't have to create her character in the first place. Second of why exactly does Roman need to be the leader the could still give him dialogue when needed he mostly just gave exposition anyway. Thirdly why do you say she wasn't qualified. Fourthly Mashu didn't even care enough to try and save her.

Yeah they are. The Democratic faction in the Clock Tower use tech just fine (like Touko's teacher does, and she is a Lord).

>autowin button
It's conditional. The magus has to use a lot of energy to block the Origin Bullet if he wants it to be effective. It doesn't affect magical circuits that are not in use when it's activated. If his opponent realizes what Origin Bullet does, they could likely produce ways to defend against it without exposing their circuits.

Post-season OVA. Prease rook forward to it.

>Mages don't know how technology works in Fate.
Depends on the magus. Most are backwards, specially if their family is old (toohsaka is an upstart young family with only a few hundred years linage, to put it bluntly, they would have been Kadoc-tier if hadn't leeched and stolen from Luvia's family in the third grail war). Animuspheres have high cut technology and are savvy in mixing science and magecraft on the other hand.

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>subs always translate sensei and shishou to "sir"
>"I'm sorry for shoving senpais aside to volunteer to come with you"
pick a side cmon

Medusa has autowin button against most servants and a solid nuke NP, so yeah.

I wonder what the plan was. To reach the Root via breeding a Root-connected child way down the line?

Rail Zeppelin ends on episode 12 and the show is 13 episodes. So the final one is probably wrap up and might as well have a tea party.

>expecting good subs from CR

I really hope Hanza and his Church groupies cameo somehow.

Obviously animuspheres are some of the only sensible mages. Moneybills is truly great and wise.

>senpais
>not senpaitachi
Sasuga CR

Nasu and Narita still don't want to fully reveal Flat's origin it must be something important.

Wouldn't count those since they are newer additions and even in-universe they are exceptions. The 3rd episode of Case Files pretty much defined the standard when that guy asked Waver what kind of Mage would ever use technology to triangulate a workshop.

Because this timeline doesn’t line up with Apocrypha, Kairi never meets Mordred and Caules never meets Fran, which also means that the character arc for Mordred and Kairi, with Mordred finally accepting what Artoria was doing, and both of them getting the father-daughter relationship they needed, never happens either
So in this timeline Mordred never reconciles anything and still has an absolute hatred for her Chichue

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It has never been confirmed that the long-haired dude in Rider's NP is Waver. It is just as likely to be Eumenes.

Aristocratic mages are the most luddite ones.

I this any good?
I dropped Apocrypha after a few episodes because the cast plain sucked but I loved Wavers and Alexandars exchanges in Zero.

>Church dude shows up
>Everyone gets tense and the air feels like shit's about to go down, people start getting ready to rumble.
>The leather clenching sound in the middle of the staredown
Wew, that was nice. Too bad comic relief came right after, but it sure gets me interested in executors/magi butting heads.

You give me hope for the Touko cameo user.

Heroic spirits in the throne receive any info about their copies in HGWs anyway.

Does the 13 count the 0th episode?

>Second of why exactly does Roman need to be the leader the could still give him dialogue when needed he mostly just gave exposition anyway.
Because part 1 was about him vs Goetia, you fucking idiot. He had to lead the effort to defeat him and this is acknowledged twice in the story, that Chaldea would have gone to shit immediately if Roman hadn't pulled it up and under his wing. The entire plot was for him to stop running away and to confront this crisis, and Mashu's growth. Everything else about part 1 is backdrop filler to those two points. However, Roman couldn't be the leader in the beginning because otherwise it wouldn't make sense with his secret identity, so he had to be forced into command. The director in charge had to go. Easy as that. Olga was that director. I have no idea why you think she should be special, is because she has tits and a vagina?

>qualification
She went hysterics at the first sign of fucking crisis in the prologue. So much Roman put (you) in charge of the field situation (bypassing her authority) because she froze. She was incompetent in general. It's the stark contrast of her always in control father.

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No

Case Files also explains that not all mages are like that. It's the ones from the aristocratic faction the ones who are like that.

There is an entire faculty (Modern Magecraft) and an entire faction (democracy) that actually defend the usage of modern technology. And Democracy is starting to be dominant after Kayneth's death and all the setbacks the aristocracy had.

You realize Marisbury is from a 2000 years old bloodline of blueblood mages right? He's just not retarded and a classist. His daughter though has bigotted beliefs. He didn't raise her, so it's not surprising she didn't inherit her father's common sense.

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This is a good spin-off that expands the lore unlike Apo.

If that's the case, why do their summoned copies have no memory?

Why didn't Reines take Lord Valueleta's offer? The El-melloi are on thin ice with the Barthomelloi anyway.

Ever read KnK, Tsukihime or Fate/SN? If so and you enjoyed them this will be a treat. If you're a secondary with only Zero and Apo on your resume you might get discouraged by the episode 2-7 anime original content that's more introductory. In the latter case I'd recommend checking out the Case Files Manga that adapts the first novel and see how it goes for you.

There's gonna be a lot of taling and magic babble, just so you know what to expect.

Yeah he is aristocracy, but he is actually a pragmatist that cares about the end results, so of course he is not going to limit himself like that.

Flat's vision is far beyond something as simple as the root. It seems more akin to Gil's premonition of spacefaring humans, so its at least Notes-level of significance.

>It's the ones from the aristocratic faction the ones who are like that.
Animusphere are part of the aristocratic faction, but it seems Marisbury despite being the Lord and head is completely detached from that shit.

WHAT IF THIS IS NOT AN ACTUAL ADAPTION FOR CASE FILES BUT IS PRELUDE FOR AN ALTERNATIVE 5TH HGW WHERE WAVER AND MARISBURY JOIN

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If Iskandar is so great, then why doesn't he have a constellation

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>The El-melloi are on thin ice with the Barthomelloi anyway.
Exactly because of this. The El Mellois are a branch family, and thus no different than property in the eyes of the main family. You think those autists will let it slide if they jumped the fence? Not even the protection from democratic lords would be reasuring.

How did Kiritsugu die by the way?

I read FSN back then but not the other 2
Going to give this a try then, thaks anons

I just remembered that Kayneth had a whole building with alternate dimensions, super monsters, top tier magical traps... and Kiritsugu did a 9/11 on that shit
Fucking asshole

Roman had to lead the forces that oppose Goetia. Asking why is like saying "wow why didn't Saber shank Emiya in UBW rather than let Shirou fight him!?" Because it is his battle. His leadership and actions sabotaged Goetia's plan. That's symbolic of human Solomon didn't need his powers to overcome his possessed corpse's schemes.

no

Curses by Angra.

>kiritsugu later died of a cold

Originals are preserved in the throne and are supposed to stay like this forever while grail copies their soul and puts it into class container. It's like files on your pc where you copy a file, make some changes in it then delete it but it doesn't have an effect on original file.

You'll probably be fine then, specially if you felt some degree of interest on the magecraft itself besides the servant fights.

Do consider Tsuki too if you have the time, the routes are much, much shorter than F/SN, so it's not a huge time investment.

By passing his seigi no mikata dream to Shirou. He literally died the same night Shirou told him he will take up his dream.

Marisbilly probably has the ring catalyst in this timeline too. It wouldn't be very interesting to see Solomon ars almadel salomonis everyone.

>Wouldn't count those since they are newer additions and even in-universe they are exceptions
Newer how? In universe or in meta sense? In universe, Animusphere had been doing science shit for a long time. And it's one of the founding families of the Clocktower. His workshop is Chaldea.

Grail fucked him up for trying to destroy it.

"hey shirou, i'm glad you want to follow my shitty ideal that will likely lead you down the same path i went" then he died.

>not one, but two semen demons wants Waver
>then there's also Grey

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But then the originals receive information about what their copies do, that just stands to reason that any new copies will have the new info.

I'm surprised there aren't any doujins of him banging his students.

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I should go back to the KnK anime first, real life got in the way after watching a couple eps and I never got back into it but I enjoyed it, thanks for remin

The throne it's outside of time, so maybe all the copies are made at once

Would Iskander be disappointed if he knew Waver was still a virgin?

Solomon and Marisbury would probably realize the Grail is shit quite quickly though. This means Bills would bail and have his boyfriend with him in Chaldea if he so desires (because Solomon was a doormat) or they could take care of the Greater Grail before that.

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I read the novels and haven't catched up with the anime, but I hear terrible things about the last one, apparently it goes on a drastically different direction than the original.

There should be "no way, fag" edition of this pic but with Waver and with a fucking train of underage girls who wants to fuck him.

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First off you can say it was him vs Goeita but until the Solomon singularity he didn't really do anything it was Mash and the MC doing everything I wouldn't really say he was leading the effort he mainly gave exposition. Second of all he hadn't been running away the fact he was at Chaldea show's he was confronting the crisis you idiot. Thirdly Mash's growth was stupid all she did was start believing Immortality is bad and death is good cause reasons and she still only really thinks of muh Senpai. Fourthly first sign of trouble my ass everyone was dead and she had ended up in the singularity being chased by skeletons and she still ended up doing her job leading Mash and the MC. Fifthly no Roman doesn't need to be the director for it to be about him vs Goetia. Also they could of just made the director a faceless nobody stop being so stupid.

Good. Even Redrop recognizes true love.

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Not if he found out that he'd been playing vidya instead. He only fucked so much because there was little to do in his time besides read, fight, and eat:

"Videogames will make sex obsolete!"

Another smug loli appears.

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>Waver is homo
I hate this

Silhouetted by the flames, coldness seeping from their figures, Master and Servant became indistinguishable from one another.

Everything that happens to summoned servants doesn't affect originals in the slightest. Grail just uses souls in the throne of heroes as blueprint that is never changed.

> symbolic of human Solomon didn't need his powers
Did we play a different game returning to his Heroic Spirit form and using his third Noble Phantasm is how he beat Goetia

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>nigger hand
poor gray...

I know you guys are probably not familiar with human relationships but none of the girls actually want waver
they just see him as someone to tease

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>Waver has a corner dedicated to gathering strategy games for the Iskandar meeting.
"My king, I precent you Sid Meier's Civilization as an offering."

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The NP that it's his only human feat (pointed even in the description) and basically it's giving everything back to God yeah.

will waver ever catch a break

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>people wondering why Waver didn't undergo a Shirou-tier transformation

It's probably because Waver's origin isn't SWORD. I'm not actually sure what his origin is, exactly, but I bet it's something that goes with why Waver is considered so useless at magecraft due to how the spells related to his origin work

How many of the novels are translated at the moment?

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>all this FGO "discussion"

I will never understand why that garbage became popular. Story is trash. Gameplay is trash. And yes I played it and it's literally the worst mobage I played.

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All NP's are related to something the heroic spirit had or did while there alive what's your point

Did Roman ever slip up and call Billy Master out of habit? I just wanna see how these two interacted. Billys seems very fond of Roman.

Aristocratic as in the Aristocratic faction

First two done, halfway through volume 3. Anime is covering 4 and 5.

Truly pathetic.

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Coincidence, more or less.
In the case of Charlemagne, it's not clear whether it's a coincidence or Wada making him look like Gudao as a joke.
Nagao Kagetora looks like Gudako because Takeuchi can only draw one face and also drew her in the same pose as Gudako. Also, both are psychopaths who are always smiling.

why do these little girls get motion sickness so easily

Gray absolutely wants Waver.

Morning sickness.

Buzzwords, powerlevels and technobabble is a good formula for success. That's how Tsukihime and Fate and nasuverse in general became popular, initially.

FGO goes way too overboard on the cringe level though. That plus lolification/slutification of servants is like 75% of the franchise.

crave deprave indeed

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tiggered FGO subningen

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quality posting my friend

Thanks user, made me laugh

The harem game would be fun

1- Reines
2- Grey
3- Adashino
4- Yvette
5- Luvia
6- Grey (true route)

Imagine getting so triggered you go check archive.

FGO is garbage.

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Is it going to get better?

wrong board Yea Forumsermin

I really like how Kajiura works with leimotifs. I'm really hyped to see the whole OST.

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Only a Yea Forumsermin would like fgo.

I would play the fuck out of this. Come on Nasu.

>First off you can say it was him vs Goeita but until the Solomon singularity he didn't really do anything
Except you know, securing the coordinates to search the singularities, run the entire place and juggling millions of tasks because they were understaffed, while Guda and Mashu sat down and did nothing in the downtime? Guda and Mashu were field agents, no different from the pillars and the sad sobs Goetia conned in the singularities: the soldiers. Roman was the one who sent them there and gave them instructions, including validating their existence there and as you say infodump everything. If wasn't for him to act quickly in the Prologue, Chaldea would have lost power and lose Chaldeas, the MC and Mashu would have died in Fuyuki too, and everything would have been lost. He gathered the survivors and made all function again. Literally all this is spelled to you in London and later in Camelot, about the ungodly effort Roman does for the place not to fall into shit. Guda, who does absolutely nothing, except being sent where he's told, ignored all this. It doesn't help Roman keeps on an act to make people underestimate him (his true personality is on open display in the OVA where he doesn't play pretend).
In last singularity was his first time in the frontlines, but that journey was led by him, Guda was only his follower, and right now his legacy carrier.

And he was running away, because he was acting like a doctor to pave the guilt and insecurity he had, sure he was still studying and working hard but he was afraid and let other people take charge. Olga had to go or else he wouldn't have come out his shell. After all is his story according to Nasu, not Olga's. Olga's just a minor character in part 1.

>Insulting Mash's growth
At least try to shitpost for real. Mashu became less meek and embraced her other dream to protect the human order, saw the darker side of human history and decided what was worth protecting. (cont)

She knew she had a limited life, but the way Roman raised her, giving her his views, shaped her up to see the world in its beauty as it was, and not force eternity as solution for everything. She could only apply this foundation in her journey which strenghtened her resolve. I agree the Guda relationship was weak as hell for fanservice, but at least the OVA tries to fill on why he was chosen, and why Roman gave those qualifications. Because he didn't feel naturally human enough for her to take his lead.

>Olga
She was screaming and yelling uselessly in the game. She was hysterics when Rider and Lancer appeared and Roman had to put fucking Guda in charge of the field because she was losing it. She always looked at verge of a nervous breakdown. She's the least qualified person to fucking lead in general. She didn't even WANT to (lostroom).

And Roman had to be, because it had to be about him working and planning under the shadows vs Goetia doing the fucking same.

>Rider and Lancer
Fuck I mean Lancer and Assassin.

One thing that is starting to bug me about the fate series is some characters name at least the western ones

They all sound fake. Because to me they are. It seems to me Nasu just took some words that sound western and mashed them up together.
I can't even google their names without %99 being links to the Fate series

Olga is dead. She was a virgin.
You can't save her.

Try making up some Japanese names that sound realistic. It's hard man. At least Nasu's names are better than Tomino's names.

Are we talking about FGO or any part of Nasuverse?

Probably when they were alone in bed.

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It's the tradition of Gundam names.

Also Karabo Frampton sounds alright. Karabo is an actual african name.

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>replying to shitposter

dumb shillposter

don't be so upset
she's right you know

He beat Goetia before that:
>he didn't let Chaldea go to the dumpster, picked up everything and everyone and acted as the director who led the Grand Order
>raised and groomed Mashu who was only acting like his mouthpiece until he confronted him (she got to choose: his way or Goetia's)
>he crashed his carefully plan with his ten years of human experience
>he won the philosophical battle (Mashu agreed with him) and then destroyed all the foundation of his power
>then Goetia realized his king was right all along

All this he accomplished by doing absolutely nothing but saying "I want to be a normal human with human limitations." His "NP" simply undercuts his power which wasn't something Roman needed, but Goetia did.

just a reminder that wearing hoodies too long makes your hair stink

Imagine if we got slapped with a surprise Point Zero segment at some point.

Securing the coords was Da Vinci and staff not Romani. As for run millions of tasks is assumption I don't recall the story actually showing Romani doing that. Also Guda and Mashu actions were was the whole point of Chaldea you imbecile everything else was to support them. I don't remember the thing about power as for MC and Mash dying in Fuyuki without roman what the fuck are you talking about? He gathered survivors the were all in Chaldea already he just healed some people as was his job and told them to get back to work. What ungodly effort are you talking about what exactly did he do hmm? He was acting as doctor because that's one of the things he knew how to do and to help Mash it had nothing to do with not being able to take charge he didn't know what the threat was he just knew their was one so what exactly was he supposed to take charge and do. Yes I know it's not Olga's story she had no businesses being in the story as it is cause she added nothing that's the fucking problem you dimwit. Yes I will insult Mash's growth her conversation with Goeita was retarded and her last words during her (sacrifice) were about wanting to be of use to Senpai at least once.

>half this thread is about F/GO

You just know these chuuni motherfuckers create these names to distinguish themselves.

An inevitability with FGO girl being front and center. I've never played the gacha, but she seems fine so far.

>we call him heartless
Of course his theme is called that.

Funny too since Olga legit gets killed off in the tutorial.

>FGO girl
Who?
But yeah, there's really nothing to talk about besides waifus so the discussion inevitably shifts onto FGO.

PS: fuck FGO and fuck FGOfags.

>waving goodbye
Really, we're going for bad puns?

> didn't let Chaldea go to the dumpster
yes he was big part of that but don't act like he was alone
>raised Mash
So what I mean I guess it was important that mash was alive to become a demi servant but that's now why he didn't
> won the philosophical batttle
FGO philosophy is peak stupid so who cares
>crashed his plan
without MC and mash he wouldn't have been able to do shit

Every type-moon franchise is connected i some way, newfag.

There is literally nothing to discuss. FGO is ongoing project. It is relevant to all discussions.
>no new IP
and yes we discuss both FGO and old titles in threads. This is pretty common, my dear Yea Forumstard.

mean not why he did it

No no, FGO is connected to every type-moon franchise, aka, FGO is tainting every type-moon franchise.

>cringe
Go back

Why are FGO players so sensitive?

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So is Yvette supposed to remind me of Liz?

Case file threads are the only way FGO players can discuss lore

Fuck off and use your general then

>Securing the coords was Da Vinci and staff not Romani.
No, it was Romani who did that. Da Vinci refined some exact rayshifting coordinates after ROMAN figured it out where the singularities where. And this was dropped after London where he did all the rayshiftings alone.
>Also Guda and Mashu actions were was the whole point of Chaldea
According to Mashu and Flauros: it was Roman and Guda's biggest accomplishment was to keep him chatting and save him. "It is because of you Chaldea stands." = Toward Roman, not Guda, not Mashu. Only those who think the filler Servant shit (the things Nasu doesn't regard as important) overestimate Guda. Hell, he chose to make Guda the 'camera man' in his meta event to make clear what's his role.

>I don't remember the thing about power as for MC and Mash dying in Fuyuki without roman what the fuck are you talking about?

Without being observed by Roman, Guda would have been erased from existence. Literally, in fucking Camelot this is stated why he has to do that. Plus the ONLY reason Chaldea didn't get incinerated was because they kept the power up which was done by fucking ROMAN in the prologue, otherwise Chaldeas would have collapsed and everyone was done for. He acted quickly and got the system not to shut down after the sabotage.

>What ungodly effort are you talking about what exactly did he do hmm?
He barely eats and sleeps to cover most empty staff work since the Grand Order began according to Da Vinci. Did you actually read this?

>He was acting as doctor
No, he was acting as a King and a leader. Cas Gil interlude (the King's Rest) kind of explicitely spells this aloud.

>she had no businesses being in the story
Olga's an Animusphere and they are the final villains (maybe), of course she's got to be around.

>Mashu wants Senpai!
So? She just wanted to fight longer by Guda's side, which is fighting for humanity.

No go back to /vg/ or wherever the fuck you people are from. Case Files is actually good and doesn't deserve to be lumped in.

They'll have Babylonia and whatever other projects come next for that. Personally I just go past those posts and focus on magus shit, though I'll have to get myself educated on the Animuspheres.

Kind of feel bad for bullying FGOfags.
But know that the type moon thread on /jp/ welcomes everyone, even fgo subhumans.

The "MC" could be replaced by a pet rock with Servant pheromones and makes no difference. There was no characterization or personality or anything.

Mash is the other main character with Roman. She worked for him as his ward and daughter figure too. Both Roman and Mash were crucial in their roles, him as leader, she in battle. Not to mention they both humanized each other. Roman-Mash-Goetia were pretty much the point of part 1.

I don't get your other points at all.

>he still samefagging
you don't even get (You)s

Fabro Rowan is a weird, but believable name IMHO. Probably the only normal sounding name in any european TM character

Ernest Fargo was a super normal sounding name. Trisha too.

>Even Flat is probably the goal of the Escardos family's research over centuries even if they don't themselves realize it
>probably
Zelretch or whoever it was pretty much stated it was the culmination of their efforts outright. Too bad they forgot they were trying for that and gave up for something else.

Is giga nigga a cool guy or will he unfortunately turn out to be as evil as Kirei?

btw I mean Fabro Rowan is weird in the sense that Fabro is a latin name (most common in Italy and the Iberian Peninsula) while Rowan is a word of Scandinavian origin.
Probably immigration

The important fact about Animusphere is that Olga is overdramatic who looks like in verge of a mental breakdown while her father is unflappable and nearly always smiling.

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He's cool dude

黒人 is a cool guy

He is a good guy.

Olga is for terrible emotional abuse, torture and mind breaking.
Nasu has been hanging out with Butcher too much

If that was the case, neither Jeanne nor Jack could be summoned. They are not in the Throne thanks to Apocrypha. It's a timeline basis. Same how Arthur cannot be summoned outside his timeline.

hmm I don't remember roman figuring out where singularities where but whatever.
Flauros is retard who played right in to Marisbury's plans who cares what he says also keep chatting and save who?
Yes I know the need to observed but wasn't that mainly Da Vinci and staff also while were on the subject how was Olga able to exist without being observed I mean yes she was dead but she existed? Simply saying he barely eats and sleeps doesn't tell us what he actually did it's like how Guda somehow gets all the servants to think he's the greatest thing since sliced bread despite having no personality and his supposed charisma never actually being shown. Didn't the Olga Void thing kill some enemy for Chaldea and then Mash started asking if she should treat her as an enemy? I play NA so that's just some thing I think remember being said in some thread but point is she actually an antagonist cause her suddenly being an enemy seems random and dumb. Also Mash wanting to fight by Guda's side is not the same as wanting to fight for humanity.

Based Nasu.

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oh also the whole Olga and her father being the final villains. I think we both know that was planned until long after her death you don't seriously believe Nasu had this all planned out do you?

You only tease like that if you are willing to deal with the consequences if things escalate. Do you really think Gray and Reines would mind Waver's advances when it has been shown they get ultra wet when he's serious? That's why him being gay makes the interactions fun.

Lev said Marisbury's plan was worse than what Goetia wanted wayyyyy early in the FGO story, so yes

mean wasn't