ITT: Series that would have been 10/10 if it weren't for a single character

He was an absolute cuck and it ruined a few good moments for me

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This tension annihilating untouchable God Sue piece of shit right here. It cannot be emphasized enough. Holy fucking God everything was set up grand; every other character was fantastic, the plot was good the music was great but then this huge pile of excrement just anally soft served his way into everything until the reek was inescapable. I mourn this series' potential.

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>I hate all female characters and have autism so I made a big chart
no one cares

Use this new chance to actually understand her character "Sakurafag".

Funny part is that it's true, Heaven's feel is carried by Ilya and Kotomine with Sakura being the worst part of it. Remember that HF is an amalgam of the Ilya and Sakura routes so halfway Ilya becomes the main heroine only to be replaced again by Sakura later on.

>ESLs hate her! Canon wife since 2004

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And yet the anime adaptation which cuts Ilya and Kotomine's screentime in favor of Sakura is the most successful Fate anime of all time. Nice try.

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>I watch only shonenshit: the chart

Does that mean we will get Ilya's route, which Nasu wanted to do by ufotable?

worm slut

prove me wrong

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>any fate
>above 3/10
??

I enjoy Sakura, but man do I feel like she got mishandled for HF. It's hard to root for her as a romance option when she's sidelined for the majority of her route.

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I would unironically like to see that but Nasu still insists that Prisma Illya is good enough to be her official route.

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Just because you hate her for some reason doesn't mean that without that character it would be better.
Heavens feel without sakura would be pure shit.
Your fist fight with kotomine? Gone.
Saber alter? Gone
Punished emiya letting go of his ideals? Gone
Also the knife scene, the rain scene and shirou using rule breaker on sakura are some of the most memorable scenes of the visual novel, guess which character is involved with shirou in those scenes

>anime
Who cares? The adaptation is the worst since Deen Stay Night. You're a fake Sakurafag if you think the anime is actually faithful to the VN.

>You're a fake Sakurafag if you think the anime is actually faithful to the VN.
The anime is doing a good job with Sakura's character, what's lost are deeper nuances, but that's a given due to the more limited time.

>Also the knife scene, the rain scene and shirou using rule breaker on sakura are some of the most memorable scenes of the visual novel
While memorable they aren't even the scenes that people remember the most from HF. The scenes people bring up the most are the fistfight, sparks liner high, nine lives blade works, then the rain scene and maybe the knife scene.

This is one of the worst images I had the pleasure of witnessing in this board.
Not him, but at least its making a good job with her character, illya and kirei are the ones that got the short end of the stick unless the last movie fixes it. I remember rinfags used and some still spam that she is the shadow and killed billions

>fate
>being anything but a 2/10
Pffffff

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nah Naruto was fun because he had his troubles and character, especially in Part 1

now Boruto is completely opposite of that. Spoiled brat who shouldn't be MC.

More like watch her get ruined and mishandled because Sudou is a hack.

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RENT FREE

Rule breaker scene is pure kino but of the ones you mentioned its the most underrated one

> is the most successful Fate anime of all time.
Almost as if it has something to do with FGO making Fate and Sakura(extra) actually relevant.. are you retarded?

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> that she is the shadow and killed billions
She did before Sudo started whitewashing her.

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You should try actually reading the VN.

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I think you are mixing the success that the Fate franchise is having now due to how massive GO is with the quality of HF.

Also I have zero faith on an anime adaptation that had True Assassin fighting toe to toe with Lancer, the whole point of that battle was that TA was completely outclassed but played Lancer into his trap. He wasn't even able to deal with a weakened Archer in direct combat and suddenly he's having a prolonged fight with Lancer through the whole city.

>Fate
>not relevant before FGO
Back to /vg/, tertiary retard.

> the s success that the Fate franchise is having now due to how massive GO is
is that related to Apo sale being medicore and LE sales even worse than deen?

TA vs Lancer was shit for sure, but that was directed by Miura and likely mandated by higherups due to the lack of major fights in early HF.

Miura should be hang
Kimetsu was an Ufo anime without Miura and look how much of a masterpiece its action scene was

It's pretty annoying, early HF doesn't have that sort of tone at all, too. They should've let Sudou do his thing.

Yes, it sure helped apocrypha and the Extra anime abomination to sell a lot user

Oh so I was talking with one of those retards, thanks for letting me know
Sakura extra is not popular, BB is the one that has jeanne alter and mash levels of popularity.

The knife scene is just mentioned slightly less than the rain scene, and it was pure kino in the adaptation. Regardless, Sakura improves HF in many ways which is the crux of the argument.

GO is retarded cancer pandering to braindead morons like Yea Forumsermins. No one gives a shit about that here.

>Calls Saber handsome
>Call Sakura a serial killer
who is your favourite girl, ESL-kun?

True Assassin and Archer just have a higher power level than lancer bro.

Yeah, we should have had Miura direct the entire thing and make the entire movie about Lancer vs True Assassin-esque action kowtowing to Nasu's demands to rewrite the entire route. Surely Nasu's rewrites would be great for Sakura, what with how he personally wrote Parvati to be a neglected pile of nothing and Kama to be a slutty villain who cries pathetically as the cast gangs up on and mocks her.

>Regardless, Sakura improves HF in many ways which is the crux of the argument.
HF without sakura wouldn't be HF, sakura (with a bit of help of illya) is the whole reason shirou finally has a conflict with his father's ideals and finally throws them away, and that is the main point of his character through heaven's feel.

Why do you pretend to be a Sakurafag? It’s so easy to spot you, and this shit happened in an old thread.

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I replied to you because you were talking about the ranking of memorable scenes in HF, when the argument was about Sakura making HF better or worse, I'm aware of the central conflict of HF.

I was agreeing with you user, not trying to refute any of your points

HF without Sakura wouldn't lose all that much, it would be Ilya's route instead (it is in fact Ilya's route during a part of it, heck Nine lives is Shirou defending Ilya so hard that the developers even though it was no longer a Sakura route the shoved a this is for Sakura part in there that felt totally out of place.)

The knife scene is so memorable I can't recall about what it was. The rain scene was really good however it was the peak of Sakura in that route, however after that she fell super hard she became whiny housewife during day, pornstar during the night.

Speak English.

Whatever lets you sleep at night, baby.
BB is extraverse Sakura. Read CCC, retard.

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Ah yeah, sorry, didn't know if you wanted to go somewhere talking about that.

I feel like if they changed her to be less of a damsel, she would be alot less offensive of a character. As is though, there is nothing worth saving and mind of steel is the only correct ending for HF.

I know you're joking, but it's sad that some people might actually think this

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Then I have to go.
I have to save Sakura and Ilya.
It's impossible.
Sakura's facing death, and only destruction awaits her.
Someone said it'll take a miracle to save her.

That's right.
Aid that's impossible with human powers.
If I'm to perform a miracle that exceeds human capabilities, I'll need an appropriate compensation.
I can't protect myself and someone else.
If someone has to take Sakura's place in order to save her…

I thought NLBW was about Illya.

Fate was one of the most successful VNs. It already made its mark in the medium, but F/GO took it to higher heights.

BB is an AI clone of Extra sakura. I don't know about the CCC manga, but at least that is what they tell you in the CCC game.

Already did that long ago and Kirei got her told way later, revealing the truth.

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>me want action
>me no like character development, it's got cooking!
You know what HF without Ilya would be? The movies, which are praised as masterpieces.

>I feel like if they changed her to be less of a damsel, she would be a lot less offensive of a character.
Agreed. I also feel that Shirou being completely destroyed body and soul only to have his soul saved by Ilya is another major dampener to the route.

>As is though, there is nothing worth saving and mind of steel is the only correct ending for HF.
And you lost me there.

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Her first real kill was Shinji. Dumbass.

>MoSfags still exist

More like we have a bunch of newfags around ever since ufo ubw ended. My fellow Sakurafags multiplied but became unbearable to hang out with, as you like to take away all the nuance for the character that makes her so good to begin with.

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>less of a damsel
You mean such as saving herself from Zouken and killing all the villains to protect Shirou?

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>to protect Shirou
Her idea of protecting Shirou is breaking his legs and eating his arm, not killing villians.

Why is Rin sold as the butt girl in fate when Sakura is the one that actually has the biggest hip to waist ratio, and why is Sakura sold as the breasts girl when its Rider the one who has the biggest breasts

He was talking to Dark Sakura. Who was claiming she was a separate personality in order to pretend the original Sakura was gone and beyond saving, by the way.

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it's weird how Sakura is even the worst version of Sakura now.

best*

You actually seem reasonable. I liked how Sakura was a damsel but she was still able to interact with the rest of the cast and we were able to see how Sakura reacted to her mind and body deteriorating. Some interludes like the one where she hears Rin telling Shirou about the high jumps were fantastic to me. What'd you think about all this?

No Sakurafag takes away her character. Actually a Sakurafag in an old thread summed her up quite nicely.

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Parvati is the worst Sakura bro, she's literally all of the boring parts of Sakura in one servant.

No, her idea of protecting him is to send Rider to fetch him whenever he gets in trouble with Zouken. Him losing his arm was a case of dramatic irony since it happened in an explosion, not an actual consequence of her brief thought.

Her idea of protecting Shirou is also not sleeping throughout the night so he doesn't have to feel even more guilty, and then even trying to kill Zouken to stop all the madness. Anyway, he's just shitposting.

Parvati could have been great if they didn't decide to halfass her in every single way. She was great as Kasuga, so they should just have given her more screentime so she could actually show off her housewife personality properly.

Parvati is a good mama.

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You are underestimating FGO power.
FSN was the most successful eroge but it never went outside of otaku field until Zero and FGO is the new normalfag overlord and ended up luring in even the otaku who kept away from TM.
UBW already had lower sales but FGO saved Fate from fading into irrelevance. After the second movie RN and HA went up in sales, meaning a lot of those who watched the movie haven't read the VN. And why they even watched it to begin with? How they knew of the title and the heroine? FGO.
She still felt like the people she unconsciously killed before deserved it. Because the shadow was feeding on her innermost feelings she suppressed her whole life. She speaks about it in a scene Sudou conveniently cut. Just like all scenes that make her controversial. Some of the changes were absolutely unwarranted even back in the first movie.

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That was a nice thread. The replies this got were good too.

It helped to the fact that those abortions managed to have an anime series after it despite having no quality whatsoever.

Here comes the "Sakurafag" that most likely got into Fate through the gacha shit.

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The guy is speaking almost as if Angra has a personality and is forcing himself on Sakura. Which he doesn't. Because he doesn't have a personality nor a desire except for wanting to be born. I remember the thread, the guy was mostly right but there are points at which he's trying to whitewash her. Thankfully Nasu is a bit less of a hack and FGO Sakura's are less whitewashed in comparison.

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More like she was pretending she was being possessed while in reality she was always harboring those feelings. He specifically says she got addicted to violence and shouldn't hide it.

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>Illyafags
>Rinfags
>Kotominefag
>Justicefags
Eat shit faggots
HF is Sakura's route

Even Ganesha dislikes her attitude, what are you even saying. And Ishtar knows something is up. The only ones wanking Par is Ash and BB since she's "the ideal herself".
Best Sakura right here.

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We'll get Kasuga eventually, user. Maybe on re-run.
Speak for yourself, tertiary.

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The main character started out good, but the problem is that he never grew the way he was supposed to and was kept as an idiot. He starts out as a slave and he would be a gary stu if he was a master of stratagem immediately, but after 500+ and like 10 years he hasn't learned a thing except for muh instincts. I don't even expect him to be a smart commander, just someone who isn't a complete idiot and could properly discern the battle around him.

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Why did the VN have Saber, Kirei and Sakura praising Gil for staying completely composed after his AM mud bath if it doesn't do anything to you anyway?

Dark sakura IS sakura being fucked by angry manjew
The shadow is just angry manjew using sakura'd body to absorb mana

>Sakura's route
No, it's mine.

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>Because he doesn't have a personality nor a desire except for wanting to be born
so why did saber turn evil?

>The guy is speaking almost as if Angra has a personality and is forcing himself on Sakura.
Kotomine agrees. See >nor a desire except for wanting to be born
Don't forget wanting to harm and kill people. All evils of the world, you know?

>He specifically says she got addicted to violence and shouldn't hide it.
Dark Sakura did. Dark Sakura is not the shadow.

She was so mishandled Nasu keeps on rewriting her character in new versions to this day. And each of them better than original. She and HF were an embarrassment for him. Not that HF is bad, mind you, but what are you even saying.

She was always a character with a lot of potential but lack of proper screen-time before her arc and proper execution.

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>gachafag calling others tertiary
Interesting.

It's not exactly that she thinks they deserve it. Sakura holds a suppressed anger towards basically everyone because they all lived much nicer lives than she does, and no one is helping her either. However, this is just Sakura's subconscious. Sakura's conscious personality is horrified about the murders but grows acceptance towards them and the shadow while she thought it was all a dream, which is important, because literally the night after realizing it's not a dream she didn't go to sleep before Shirou came with the knife, and remained awake after that so he didn't have to feel more quilty for keeping her alive too.

Sakura's actual personality is kind and gentle-her hatred is something any person would feel in her situation-so you literally don't have to change anything. If they just have kirei or Illya or whoever mention that the shadow fed on her innermost desires that'll be that. The shadow, in the meta sense, is literally a plot device to flesh out Sakura's personality even more than it was, it's fantastic,

Original sakura, bb, melt and kama are the best sakura.
The rest of her clones don't come close

The shadow is Sakura. Angra is just using it as a host, secondary. He only wants to be born so he's feeding on her negative emotions bringing them to light. There are characters who are more than capable of withstanding Angra's corruption. She was just that weak.

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>the sakura is the shadow retard is a rinfag.
Of fucking course

>She was so mishandled Nasu keeps on rewriting her character in new versions to this day.
Would you say the same about Saber and her versions?

>She and HF were an embarrassment for him.
Nasu was embarrassed over the H-scenes more than anything, and the route he wants to rewrite is Fate. The guy is overcritical of his work in general, but never once has he alluded to HF nor Sakura being an embarrassment for him. Especially since he basically already did her character in earlier TM works. It's not like he was really tackling new ground with the character of Sakura.

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nasu keeps rewriting sakura because otakus got mad she wasn't a virgin and flamed the entire route because of it. that's literally it. he's talked about this openly for years. all his revisions are obvious fucking otaku bait

I enjoyed the interludes too, but imo there's too much "Shh, Sakura is sleeping" going on in the route. I wish we had a bit more SoL Sakura before things start going down, and I also wish we had another 2-3 times where Sakura goes off to try and wrestle with the Shadow/Zouken. I feel like if Sakura had done just a LITTLE more to fight the impending darkness the route would've been much better.

I also feel like Shirou gets it a little too hard in HF. I understand that he's supposed to get broken to some degree, but I've always called bs on him being 'his most human' after all of the injuries he sustains and where he ends up. You've got a shirou who gets dismembered, most of his bones broken, his mind destroyed to the point where there is a significant time in the route that he can't remember at all, and ends up without a body. For all the talk of giving up his ideal, his new ideal consumes him far more quickly than seigi no mikata ever could.

That is something he says before he actually meets her. And he says during the conversation that Sakura is compatible with Angra which is why it happened in the first place.

Angra only wants to be born, nothing more. He needs to feed himself. Sakura's sadistic needs are her own thing.

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I'm pretty sure it was stated by Assassin that the more a pure is, the worse the corruption is. See what happened to both Sakura and Saber.

She wasn't mishandled other than the narration and other characters being biased against her, which Sudou managed to do away with with ease. Nasu was the one who caused the issue in the first place by caving into the haters and sabotaging her for years by leaving her out of spinoffs and allowing negative portrayals. He certainly isn't shy about shilling the fuck out of Nero despite her middling popularity, so he could easily have done the same for Sakura and had her popularity improve much quicker.

That applies only to heroic spirits, which Angra Mainyu as the grail is specialized in corrupting.

OG saber is the best saber by far because most of her clones are shit.
OG sakura is also the best sakura, but she got way better clones than saber got

Protea and Kazura beg to differ.
Saber is a poster girl(which Sakura is obviously not) and Takeuchi's favorite. Don't even compare. Nasu prefers Sakura and Rin above her.

It was clear in old interviews he managed to fuck her up. And her older versions are all better handled than her. He went astray with her and regretted it, continuously making fun of her for getting cukced by Rin out of her role as a heroine or saying that "only worthy heroines have dates in their routes". He was coping with the reception HF had realizing he fucked up. Only lately, ever since CCC, which rebooted Sakura as a character for him, he stopped making fun of her.
First half of the post is good the second is shit. She always had the predisposition. Look at how Kama and Parvati split FSN Sakura and then come back.

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>She wasn't mishandled other than the narration and other characters being biased against her
>Nasu was the one who caused the issue in the first place by caving into the haters and sabotaging her for years by leaving her out of spinoffs and allowing negative portrayal.
Is this bait? I am sure glad that no other character in the series is biased against by other characters.

I can't find these on pixiv, are they recent or you get them from somewhere else?

>Nasu prefers Sakura and Rin above her.
Nasu quite literally rated both Saber and Rin higher than Sakura. Fucking idiot.

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He ships shirou with sakura though

>Angra is just using it as a host
Exactly. Angra Mainyu is using her to feed himself.
>There are characters who are more than capable of withstanding Angra's corruption
The only comparable characters are Ilya and UBW Shinji. Ilya was a homunculus literally built to contain it by losing her human functions and dying. Meanwhile, Shinji who became a human grail just like Sakura didn't last a minute.

>He ships shirou with sakura though
What the fuck does that have to do with anything? Pic-related proves that he prefers Saber and Rin to Sakura thus debunking whatever bullshit that user came up with.

>That is something he says before he actually meets her.
He doesn't meet the shadow. He meets Dark Sakura. He's talking about two completely different things.
>Angra only wants to be born, nothing more. He needs to feed himself.
Angra is literally all evils of the world. It's a being comparable to Primate Murder, no matter how much Kotomine tries to gloss it over with his pro-life bullshit.

why do you still argue with someone that hasn't read the VN? it's a waste of time

Stop taking the bait user

I'm not reading FGO. And the only part in the second paragraph you could even disagree with is the first line up to the dash. As shown in the true end where she's just living happily, FSN Sakura had no predisposition towards being hateful towards everyone, FGO revisionism aside.

You're so easy to bait. Can't take a joke, can you. Are you that sensitive?
That's not the only reason. She lacked a proper buildup Kohaku had in Hisui's route to make her own's meaningful. As a consequence leaving readers having a hard time sympathizing with her. This issue was addressed well in CCC.
/fgo/ and twitter from when Ooku was ongoing.
Nero's problem is Sakurai and Wada. Nasu probably doesn't care enough and has the mentality "it's hard to write others favorites" ala Saber and Hisui he stated before.
Of course, he was embarrassed about the route and people's reaction, so he played it safe. Not long ago he said Rin was his top wife material and called Sakura his waifu. Rin and Sakura get way more content from him usually. And said Sakura is his favorite to write about. Deal.

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He knows more about human flaws than you user. Dont be mad just because your hyporcrite of a faggot god lost to lowly humans.

She always had the predisposition, cope, user. Your waifu is not that pure. And here's a meme for you - If you don't like her at her worst then you don't deserve her at her best. Simple as that.

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He coped with the reception HF got by sabotaging her afterwards, but several interviews have him subtly stating the haters were just casuals who couldn't handle the mature and unorthodox story of HF. He seriously should just have been open about that and promoted her harder to make those haters fuck off. Luckily the 2012 polls showed him that she was popular after all, leading to him making CCC to celebrate her character.

>Of course, he was embarrassed about the route and people's reaction
He was taken by back by the reaction, which was due to HF being starkly different to Fate and UBW. That's really it, but Takeuchi stated in an interview that Dark!Sakura was more popular than they thought she would be so Nasu could have been exaggerating the dislike just a teeny bit or he's just overly-sensitive to criticism. The anniversary poll had Sakura land in the top 10 so it could have been a case haters being the most vocal.

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The narrative clashes hard with the actual facts of the route for the sole purpose of creating cheap drama. It's no wonder so many people thought Sakura was controlling the shadow, considering how often the characters redefine the word kill to make false statements like "Sakura killed people!" for the sake of suspense. There's a very obvious bias against her, particularly at the end of her fight with Rin.

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Yeah, I know and he was right.
But CCC was made to make her more popular, not the other way round. The story was being written at the time the poll took place since in the comment Nasu left for her entry in the poll was asking her to wait patiently a bit longer, that he's gonna make her popular. And look where BB is already. Although, back then Melt was outjumping BB, at least as a villain, which Nasu wrote off as Hayamin influence. As of FGO BB is more popular if we were to trust the latest poll.
Why are you repeating the same thing every thread, it's annoying.

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>cope
>f/go fanart
Gee, I wonder which board you're from.

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>Dark!Sakura was more popular than they thought she would be
That's odd, because Dark Sakura was far less popular than the regular Sakura, landing around #30-#50.

I cope with FGO retcons precisely by not reading it mate.

OP the kind of guy that'd say that Evangelion would be better without Shinji tbdesu

Sakura did kill people. Most of which INDIRECTLY as Nasu stated himself. But she still was responsible, in human mind someone has to take responsibility for such atrocities. Which is why a scapegoat exists.
Your loss, anons.

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>The story was being written at the time the poll took place since in the comment Nasu left for her entry in the poll was asking her to wait patiently a bit longer, that he's gonna make her popular.
The 2012 poll comment had him being amazed at her popularity and how the times had changed, even if she didn't beat Rin like in the poll held a few months before. For comparison, his comment for the major poll before that (which was for F/SN characters only) had him saying he thought she wouldn't even make it into the top 10.

>Takeuchi: I feel like we got a more positive response to Dark Sakura than we were expecting. To be honest, a part of me was prepared for Dark Sakura to be a complete failure.

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Just to make sure, you're the guy I talked to on /c/, but then shit got a bit out of hand, right?

I'm pretty sure Melt was even less popular than Lip before the CCC event in FGO.

Pretty Ironic that it's Meteora's Day and this thread comes up.

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>Sakura hate thread gets turned into a sakura thread
every fucking time

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>Nasu: Sakura is a symbol of loss and betrayal, like Gilgamesh but in a different way. It was important that people didn't perceive her as a villain, though, because we intended her to be more like a victim or sacrifice. In that regard, I think Dark Sakura's design is perfect.

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Oh, I must have forgotten that part. Thanks for info, user. I guess it did affect his perception of her then. But he did say something about asking her to wait a bit since he was writing CCC in the end for all I remember.
Oh, anons recognize me now. That's not nice.
No, she ranked pretty high on villain's poll after CCC.

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>Sakura did kill people
Yeah, Shinji, Kotomine, Zouken and True Assassin.
>someone has to take responsibility for such atrocities
Which would be Angra Mainyu, or otherwise Zouken who implanted the grail shards in her without her knowledge in the first place.

No one else refers to FGO to talk about Sakura's personality, and we basically talked about the same thing.

no. ccc was basically a reward for her popularity which surprised nasu.

>Melt was less popular than Passionlip. Really? Now melt, BB and Kama are all usually in the top 10/15 of the most popular servants, also in the last poll I saw the favourite events of the nips in FGO were the CCC one and the Kama one

>also in the last poll I saw the favourite events of the nips in FGO were the CCC one and the Kama one
Wasn't that just the doujinshi list?

Didn't mean to greentext

Again, aren't you getting tired of posting this every time. It's annoying.
Here we go again... she did kill them, yes, and she did INDIRECTLY kill the innocents. And responsibility for this is hers as well. That and read HA to know Angra, he's very much what Sakura should have been but Nasu didn't have the guts to pull it off. Now her character is written in a different direction, more CCC-like.
Nasu added a lot of great bits to flesh her out there. Just as he wrote in his blog when Babylonia came out about Ishtar and Eresh being two halves of Rin. So I think it's vital to know how author himself summarizes her character in his most recent work.
Did he say that?
Either way, you must be right then. My miss. I'll remember it now.
Somehow I had a different impression reading his comments back then.
Then, again, it makes more sense for it to be a reward since CCC came out years after the poll.
No, another one. Melt was higher on the grailed list, though.

No, its a very recent one from the 15 anniversary one. As far as I remember, it was:
1. Jalter
2 and 3 Mash and BB, don't remember the order.
Some others that came on top were kama, ishtar (eresh didn't make it which surprised me), melt, saber, okita and scathatch

Forgot cute pic.

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I know this is a very stupid question, but how do you search pictures of a certain character on twitter. Just a hashtag with her name in japanese? Can you order it by popularity or something like pixiv?

>aren't you getting tired of posting this every time.
Rich coming from the user that tries to argue the same bullshit in almost every Sakura thread for some reason. You almost ruined the thread on /c/ as well.

Unlike before, right? That's very nice that we have a lot of people now and ufo ubw toxic Rinfag secondaries left, leaving her with no protection. But you do cross the line with bullying her, since you should know what it's like to have your favorite being bullied and called evil wormslut for ages.
You just have to follow the right artists since most don't tag their art.
Thread on /c/ also has plenty of stuff but not much for FGO, which is sad, since FGO gets a lot of great stuff.
>same bullshit
Once you stop posting the same bullshit and reminding me of Mike and several other Sakurafags I felt second-hand embarrassment from.

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>Nasu added a lot of great bits to flesh her out there. Just as he wrote in his blog when Babylonia came out about Ishtar and Eresh being two halves of Rin. So I think it's vital to know how author himself summarizes her character in his most recent work.
I don't agree, a long time has passed since he wrote FSN Sakura, it's more than likely he's changed his mind after 15 whole years. I really doubt he'd be able to write her the same way, making what he says about her now worthless to me, since it's FSN Sakura I'm interested in. I'm waiting to read CCC, though, since I think I'll like it. I even read fucking Extra in preparation

>But you do cross the line with bullying her
Oh please, the Rin vs Sakura thing goes both ways.

I agree that he must have changed his mind on many things but the core stuff remains intact.
CCC serves a Sakurafag in so many ways, just wait for it. Especially if you remember HF well enough you might be able to make parallels and reveal some things you didn't notice in FSN before about her character. It's great.
Rinfags might as well not exist these days except for occasional tripfags. Not a single one left to care enough about her it seems.

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>3 sakurafaces
Nice. Though original Sakura will always be my favorite.

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>Rinfags might as well not exist these days except for occasional tripfags. Not a single one left to care enough about her it seems.
Delusional. Rinfags are still very much on Yea Forums, and we have endless threads to prove this. Why do you think the stupid sister war manages to break out in almost every Fate thread?

ftfy

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>But you do cross the line with bullying her, since you should know what it's like to have your favorite being bullied and called evil wormslut for ages.
while you are correct with sakura not being my favourite(I am a saberfag) I love sakura as well and I hate the hyper autistic rinfags that are obsesed with her and spam shit 24/7. In fact in a saber thread that happened less than a month ago, that rinfag you are mentioned came there because some rincontinence posted and started spamming wormslut like an autist and call every saberfag that told him to fuck off wormslutfag, then lost his mind, started falseflagging as saberfags to somehow try to get us in his side of the pathetic sister wars, and finally started complaining about some sekrit club on discord of "wormfags" bullying rin.
There are a bunch of retarded sakurafags like the canon route one and the one that takes every bait of the rinfag and muh popularity and replies back, but no one can compete with THAT rinfag.
desuarchive.org/a/thread/191027698/
enjoy the shitshow I am talking about

>This is the body of a 15 year old girl

Wait, did you count Mashu as the third one? She's not Sakura although based on her a bit, just like Gudao and Gudako with Shirou and Rin.
So far all of the Sakuras are actually related to her in some way and are extensions or variations of her. Mashu is not one.
I lurk the threads but it feels like it's more of a fluke. Do you even remember what it was like during ufo ubw? They were everywhere, shitting up every thread and it continued for two more years after at least.
They don't even make Rin threads anymore, cause no one cares. Even Saber gets something in comparison.
That's fat trolling and baiting. If he was an actual Rinfag he would come to make "bestgirlrin" threads, actually use arguments about how good she it, etc. Not spam.
Only 2nd ascension is the same age as FSN Sakura. Loli Kama is approximately her age when she came to Shirou's house and 3rd ascension Kama is older Sakura, you can compare her hair length to epilogue Sakura.

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>did you count Mashu as the third one?
BB, Kama, and Melt.

>Thread with a OP baiting turns out to be one of the most decent fate threads.
Sometimes Yea Forums is alright
Jesus christ, that rinfag is straight up mentally ill

Oh, right, Kama wasn't in the top 10, iirc, so I didn't count her.

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I am pretty sure kama was in the top 10

No way, wasn't it top 20 or so? Melt was already lower than I expected her, like on 7th place or around that.

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>I agree that he must have changed his mind on many things but the core stuff remains intact.
I don't think her having a predisposition or not is a core part of her, especially when it's true that people who suffer so much while no one knows will end up hating basically everyone. Plus if she had the predisposition she'd tend towards that in the 2 years she had before the epilogue, but it doesn't happen.

There's been many times when not reading CCC was killing me inside, luckily not right now, but it's been unbearable sometimes. I feel like I'll love it a lot, but I want to read it properly, so I don't want to use the Gil route TL, plus I'm more interested in the true route.

Do you have the source for this? Seems to be from fucking twitter.

Takeuchi stated that F/HA Sakura is Sakura in her most natural state. After overcoming her darkness and all that.

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>Thread with a OP baiting turns out to be one of the most decent fate threads.
I assume it's because the subject has nothing to do with fate, so it flies under the radar of some people.

twitter.com/hotaruSue/status/1122445588031606790

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I always assumed Sakura's case was similar to Fujino and Shiki. In that she had a certain predisposition(origin) but as in KnK - nurture>nature, thus leading to Sakura's conflict. Both Fujino and Shiki longed for a gentle everyday, as represented in Mikiya(his origin) which came in conflict with their nature. With two different outcomes, of course, but Sakura has inherited both.

Yes, better wait for True route since it explains a lot. Normal one leaves you with only grains of information as to what has been going on with extraSakura.
Sorry, user.
>proto BB
Yeah, that's definitely her.

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Asagami Fujino is qt3.14

>Two best girls (sakura and kohaku) and one second best girl (fujino)

"What good is a King that cannot protect the innocent?"

Saberfags should never pick sides in the sister wars but I won't stand by and watch the second best girl be bullied so. I for now on stand beside Sakura and will argue with you edgy gaylords that she is a fantastic and charming young woman. Her story was the height of tragedy in the VN and hating her is heartless and cruel.

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Nasu: It's only after she overcomes her darkness that Sakura takes on her true form!
Takeuchi: I really like how post-darkness Sakura turned out. I feel like she turned into a figure of pure love, someone who can accept anyone just the way they are. In that way, I believe Sakura from "hollow" represents Sakura in her most natural state. With all that experience under the her belt, I feel like she finally evolved into a full-fledged heroine.

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based

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I'd say the height of tragedy was Angra, though. But that's only thanks to FHA.
Yes, proto BB.
Again, why are you posting this the whole time? For a Sakurafag that has seen it dozen of times already?
Make a pastebin with all excerpts about Sakura from interviews and direct people there. That's more useful.

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I couldn't quite make sense of what you wrote. Do you mean Sakura's conflict was between nurture and her origin, which you claim is the hatred we see in HF?

Many thanks.

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Shame they don't have more official artwork together.

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No, not the hatred. But about her being more compatible with Angra than Rin according to Kirei and with how Nasu treats her character in general. Her clones don't share her background but they share her personality, which still incorporates the nasty stuff, despite having less reasons for it.
>if she had the predisposition she'd tend towards that in the 2 years she had before the epilogue, but it doesn't happen.
Because she's the type that keeps everything to herself until she explodes. These aspects were represented in FSN and were carried over to Lip and BB.

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I got none of this out of your other post. Anyway, I recall the claim but I think it was about the imaginary numbers thing, but I don't remember when it was said. Her first clone was effectively written about 8-9 years after FSN, so my previous point about Nasu changing still stands. It also seems silly to me that HF true would end with one of the MCs basically being a ticking time bomb. HF true was there to show us how Sakura is after she overcame the abuse, so that's her natural state. Well, if their personality is the same, I'll have a blast, but I can't yet so I shouldn't get hyped for CCC.

Anyway, I agree she's like that.

They're cute!

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God I want to be Emiya Shirou (Emiya gohan universe)

>basically being a ticking time bomb
She doesn't have any of these negative emotions amplified by Angra's influence inside her any longer. It might express itself in her acting like in HA with her diary but nothing more. Naturally Sakura isn't really that evil but has a predisposition for nasty stuff which makes her an easy host target for evil deities to exploit.
Although, originally, I believe, it was a bit closer to how it was with Fujino.

>HF true was there to show
HF true barely showed anything of how she came to be, sadly. Only gave some hints. But that's the nature of the endings.

>Well, if their personality is the same
BB is like Magical Amber to Kohaku, so be prepared for that. So, closer to FHA Sakura when she's snarky and genki. I'd say even Parvati sometimes shows it, so it should be nothing unique but with BB it gets amplified up to eleven with the way her character is carried.
But extraSakura herself is more or less the same as FSN one in the default state.

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How does it feel knowing Hana will win, Ruifag?

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I thought you meant Sakura would normally tend towards being kinda like dark sakura even if she hadn't been adopted by the Matou. Anyway, I agree she can be pretty vengeful when she wants/thinks the other person has done enough to wrong her. I'd still say she's generally kind and gentle.

Well, I saw some snippets of BB in her show, and she didn't feel like Sakura, I just took your word for it.

>OP is 100% correct
>FGO whiteknghts from reddit come out of the woods to defend Sakura
Holy hell.

Agreed.

Chadruto was great.

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If anything, the movie added more to that fight. Since it was mostly a curbstomp of Hassan before the Shadow got Cu, cut his rune defense like toilet paper, and then Hassan got the scraps. People complained that in HF you couldn't see how cool the Servants were, so he was just adding a bit to it. But in all honesty, battle should be quick, so don't blame Sudou for trying to give some treats for the audience. Then again, the same anti HF people were saying Sakura was in the bed the whole route, when she was begging Rin and Shirou to let her help. So people are just retarded about this route no matter how one tries to spin it.

>another thread won by sakurachads
I can't handle all this winning anons

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>BB is like Magical Amber to Kohaku

Nah. Kohaku's personality was completely overwritten by Magical Amber and her popularity stayed about the same. BB is entirely separate from Sakura as a character, even if they share some traits. Sakura has a bitter side, but see loli Sakura and Manaka having a convo and you'll get that Sakura is a good mix of a character who isn't all good, and has bitterness, but Manaka creeped her out a bit. Plus Sakura's popularity has stayed very high, while Kohaku's fell off quick, though that isn't because people hate Kohaku. But Sakura has gotten a lot of love over the years, given every last company wide poll has her near the top.

For that matter, in HF True, you see how comfortable Sakura is with Rin and Shirou getting on so well, and I am fairly sure she knows Rin likes Shirou and Shirou is attracted to Rin since she mentioned it in Fate. The difference is that she teases them about it and moves on. Another thing is that it has her stating she is throwing herself into her work and study in order not to crush herself with guilt, so there are things she is dealing with(even mentioned she ignored AM's side effects to tend to Shirou). It's the longest of the epilogues with the most clear information, so I would say Nasu didn't want to have it go on too long rather than not explaining things. You could make the argument Shirou's perspective should be fleshed out more, but I feel his thoughts and feelings are for the most part already been told.

>Taiga
based

Just because she mentions it in Fate doesn’t mean it’s still a thing in HF. Shirou is devoted to each girl in their respective route.

I think the more egregious thing is that Nasu put that moral quandary up, but Rin never gets it. She purposefully put the lives of everyone in Fuyuki at risk for what was essentially promotional prestige for her family name and nothing more, she says she doesn't even want the grail. So basically, she fought just for kicks, knowing that cruel magi could take any of her classmates hostage and if a poor slob saw magecraft being used, they could be killed. It's pretty disingenuous to put it all on Sakura but never really have Shirou hold Rin's feet to the fire that she entered a contest where she might kill people and cause harm to the populace for entirely selfish reasons, while trying to assume moral high ground.

I meant that it's something she struggled with pre-game history, as you see in Presage Flower when Shirou mentioned Rin. That part was in the original HF too.

>every single DxD girl
You're not even trying, are you.

No, that's not what I meant. She definitely wouldn't be completely goody-two-shoes she is throughout FSN and would be able to accept herself more. So, a more developed FHA Sakura?

She doesn't feel like Sakura at first because she's desperately trying to look like a villain and get Hakuno's attention at the same time. After True end you get to bully her(she was a bad girl so she needs to be scolded and punished properly) and she almost reverts back to regular Sakura and gives her reasons for why she refuses to act like such.
But mostly she's more of her own thing, like, a completely different take on Sakura's character, so you might not even consider them the same.

Oh, I know you too. I'll ignore you.

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That would be Shinji, not Sakura

Shinji is a victim of circumstance, no less than Sakura, which is why she felt sorry for him.

That's a nice shot of Sakura. I liked that scene.

>there are actually some who unironically likes and defends Sakura

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Vampire Gabu > Angel Gabu

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I'll probably see them as different characters. It'll be interesting to see which I like more, but FSN Sakura will probably come out on top.

>There are people with taste unlike me

Most people do, yes.

>Who cares?
Investors.
Who mean more to any business than the common people ever will

OP here, I didn't expect this thread to get this much traction. But can someone genuinely explain to me what is the appeal of Matou Sakura?
She's not pure, and she's a bad person. Is it really just because of her somewhat attractive appearance?

>purityfag
Also
>she is a bad person
She is a good person with a bad side and flaws, and in my opinion that is way more interesting that a dindu nuffing mary sue that does everything perfectly.

than a*

>She's not pure

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>3 days left
I can't wait lads.

>being a purityfag in 2019
>sakura, someone that literally told her sister that trashtalked her 24/7 in heaven's feel and the love of her life to fuck off and be safe while she destroys the grail and dies to stop angra mainyu, is a bad person.
You wish you were half as good as sakura as a person.

The BD will already come with English subs right?
I am thinking of preordering it, which shop should I use? UFO? Aniplex?

I don't know much about buying but I think it comes with english subs, I'd wait for a more reliable source thuough. I think the only difference between the shops are the bonuses, so you should at least check those, since I don't know what you like.

>purityfag

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based Yea Forumstard

So you like Sakura because she's not pure? That's messed up

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More like her purity (or lack thereof) isn't even a factor for people who aren't maladjusted delusional autists

People just don't give a fuck, chist.

I'll bite. Sakura is not a bad person, she is not perfect thats for sure (she is insecure, jealous and a bit possesive between many other things). But thats what makes her character interesting. That is way better than a character that has no flaws and is just the perfect girl. She also has many charms, like her devoltion to shirou, her mental strength, her smug personality after everything is said and done (a personality you probably don't know since it appears more in HA and you are most likely a secondary), etc.
But anyways lets assume you are right and sakura is a bad person.
Why people like gilgamesh he is a bad person.
Why people like kirei he is a bad person
Why people like Illya, if she is a bad person in a bunch of bad endings (in fact arguably worse than sakura in those endings, and I love illya, but I just wanted to bring that out since you probably don't even know about that).
Why don't you ask about those characters?
And you could keep asking forever.
You are just retarded and think since you dislike sakura for whatever reason everyone should dislike her.
Also, if that is your problem with sakura. How the fuck is she being a bad person and not a virgin ruins a VN/anime? How dumb are you?
I guess every fucking antagonist or character with flaws ruins something for you.

So... this is the powerlevel of the sakura haters huh...

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>These are the people that spam fate threads with the word wormslut

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user, do you really think the person that unironically posted is able to read ELEVEN(11) lines?

Dude, Sakura is a bad person. When Sakura first saw Shirou she was wishing Shirou would fail miserably on what he's doing. That is just messed up

please be bait. I don't want to think I share the board with these levels of retardation

It's the kind of thing that surfaces if the person goes through a lot of bad shit. Post HF Sakura wouldn't think like that about some random person.

>Why sakura acts like a human and when things go bad for her she wishes other to fail, which is a very normal human reaction.
Sorry you can't understand that mr.autismo

Rinfags, everyone.

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While its most likely a rinfag, don't bring that out. The thread has been pretty good until now.

They have some really cute scenes together in HA.

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What causes sakurahaters to be so assblasted and autistic?

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Jesus titty christ those child bearing hips