1.Who is the best one for Shirou?
2. Who is the best girl in general?
Best Fate Girl
Jaxon Hall
Carson Butler
Sakura is the answer for both questions, obviously.
Justin Nguyen
>literal puppet ending
pathetic
Carter Wilson
Try actually reading the VN.
Noah Diaz
Like I said, literal puppet ending.
Emiya Shirou died in that cave.
Ryan Young
Toesucker, but only because Saber end is too good to be true.
>people seriously thinking Sakura is best anything
Yikes. Best worms maybe.
Nathan Barnes
Shirou is the best girl
Jackson King
>Rinfags haven't read the VN
Every time.
Nathaniel James
Do you imagine a worm ever tickling Shirou's penis, when he's ramming Sakura's loose hole?
Jaxon Myers
That would be the only way it would feel like anything other than throwing hotdogs into a hallway...
Julian Clark
What's the kinkiest shit Shinji ever did to Sakura?
Do you think he made her eat his semen for every meal? She did complain about having to eat poison in that household.
Jacob Smith
>best girl for Shirou
Probably Rin, they have the highest chemistry out of all of the pairings. Saber would be my runner-up because of Realta Nua, but I find Saber and Shirou's master/servant relationship more interesting than their romance.
>best girl in general
Taiga without a doubt.
Christian Perry
Considering she's dewormed before they have sex, obviously not.
He describes it as feeling tight in the H-scenes. Guess it would feel that way to victim blamers with micropenises such as you and Shinji, though.
Nathan Wright
Me
Ryder Murphy
>Miyu is the answer for both questions, obviously.
I fixed that for you.
Dominic Rodriguez
>1.Who is the best one for Shirou?
Rin. Her DEREDERE was starting to be ridiculously strong in the UBW ending already, but give her another few years and she's fucking undefeatable.
>2. Who is the best girl in general?
I like Saber best; she worked hard and did nothing wrong, even if she forgot why she had chosen to suffer and took a few side-steps at the end. But after Fate and UBW she properly managed to get back on the right track once she remembers.
Shame about HF turning her into semi-Vortigern, though.
Jose Scott
>He describes it as feeling tight in the H-scenes.
*slither slither*
Imagine it crawling up your dick in the middle of a thrust. You try pulling out, but it won't let go. Suddenly, you feel a lancing pain all the way to your knees as your legs give way.
Scary stuff.
John Wright
Why would you be sticking your penis into her heart?
Evan Martinez
I actually did some reading on parasites recently. Like, they can lay eggs directly into your muscles and fat tissue, allowing the offspring to hibernate for years. Something about the host metabolism usually changes when they get pregnant, which can trigger it anew.
Dylan Wood
Jesus, shut the fuck up already. Fucking Rinfags.
Juan Taylor
>*action*
Rinfags, everyone.
Jordan Peterson
>Saber eats his food and calls him mastah, would fight for him til the death, and is a king
>Rin teaches him about magic and lets him use the back door
>Sakura is his equal in cooking and mothers him
>Rider has an actual fucking job and also gives the best sex since she always knows what he's in the mood for
>Illya will drag him into a million fun situations and sleep next to him
>Caren offers spiritual guidance and fulfills his bdsm cravings
>Bazett will never hold a job but can no joke defeat all of his enemies
>Luvia is a long-distance relationship but the sex must be wild and he gets paid to visit her
>Issei will keep him on the right path.
William Sanchez
Am I the only who hates HF for how it breaks all the characters and forces them to be something completely different? It's like that "subverting your expectations" bullshit hollywood is always on about nowadays.
Like Rin was overwhelmingly the best girl in Fate and UBW, but then they hang this complete deadweight around her neck which essentially emotionally blackmails you to be invested in Sakura, because as it turns out everything is edgy garbage. It's like "oh hey, you like all of this? Well too bad, you're a horrible person for liking it, haha trolled you so good, didn't I?"
No wonder people hate Sakura so much, given how hamfistedly the whole affair was written. And they don't even give us a reason to like her, we're just told that Shirou is in love with her and to accept it. So fucking lazy!
Mason Sullivan
Give me one example of them giving Rin characterization in HF that wasn't present in SN or UBW before I just dismiss you.
Carter Price
>emotional blackmail
That about sums it up.
>if you like UBW: "Oh, well then you HAVE TO SAVE SAKURA, or otherwise you're a hypocrite!"
But then if you accept the basis of HF as true, that you can place one person's over another because of personal preference, then why aren't you allowed to pick Saber or Rin then? The two routes logics are completely crossed, if you don't happen to actually like Sakura.
Like, the only "winning move" is to choose Fate and tell both of the sisters to get fucked, not because you actually hate either, but because the logic the two routes present are completely at odds.
Henry Sanchez
See, this is why I like Archer. Fuck the romance, I just want a hero of justice Shirou without all of the bitches.
Dominic Turner
>No wonder people hate Sakura so much
Robert Morales
>Best one for Shirou
Objectively Rin because she is willing to support Shirou while reining him from being too autistic. Fate Shirou is still autistic while HF Shirou is an existence fully dependent on Sakura and discarded what made him "Shirou".
>Best girl on general
My personal preference would be Caren.
Grayson Gonzalez
Makes sense.When you see people arguing about Rin and Sakura, it's always that emotional gut reaction you see in people.
Andrew Nelson
>it breaks all the characters and forces them to be something completely different? It's like that "subverting your expectations" bullshit hollywood is always on about nowadays.
No, it's called character development, which is a basic component of any good story.
Alexander Taylor
For a second I thought that was Kohaku, but then I got depressed. Why doesn't she get any good art these days? It's all fgo nowadays.
That said I'm glad she hasn't been made into a shitty servant yet.
Hunter Phillips
Reading UBW again, do you think the scene where Rin asks Shirou about being adopted is supposed to be anything other that a complete fuck you to any reader who doesn't prefer HF?
Blake Reyes
Well, HF is the canon end, after all.
Samuel Gray
Rin
Illya
Noah Allen
>1.Who is the best one for Shirou?
Jesus what a loaded question.
>2. Who is the best girl in general?
That one is obvious: Saber.
Really, all Fate girls are amazing compared to a lot of the trash in anime these days. But which girl is better for Shirou is nearly impossible to answer because they all work so well together in their own ways. I will say I view SaberxShirou as the most the most fantastical and beautiful, while I think of SakuraxShirou as being the most probable and endearing. One is a highschool shoujo drama (SakuraxShirou), one is basically a fantasy romance novel (SaberxShirou). I have some issues with ShirouxRin...
Owen Powell
You do know that the Taiga Dojo is completely non canon right?
Brody Ross
See, that's exactly what I mean. It's the author telling you what to think, even after railroading the readers into accepting his conclusion.
What other choice does someone have, but to reject Sakura and all she stands for, if they don't accept that?
Charles Carter
>Am I the only who hates HF for how it breaks all the characters and forces them to be something completely different?
Two things I'm going to assume here: 1. You only read HF recently (within the last 10 years) or at all, and 2. You barely understand the characters because of brain problems.
>"subverting your expectations"
You watch redlettermedia don't you...
Easton Butler
>overwhelmingly the best girl in Fate and UBW
Opinion and a really shitty one at that. Rin HAD no route. UBW is Archer's route and HF is Sakura's, but Rin is nowhere near the center stage of the show in UBW. UBW is Shirou's route, piss off. I'm betting you're falseflagging because no one can have an opinion this shit.
>No wonder people hate Sakura so much
You might actually be serious and a just a fucking moron after all. I'm gonna have to apology I expected more from a complete abject retard.
Angel Adams
>And they don't even give us a reason to like her, we're just told that Shirou is in love with her and to accept it
I remmeber being so confused about getting the superhero bad end the first time. But I thought I could give Sakura a shot, since Shirou seemed so adamant about it. But even so, I got pretty much every other bad ending, simply because I didn't get enough points to raise the flag for the knife scene to have the other choice. HF completely fails to make you care about Sakura, leaving it completely to stuff like FHA to make up for its deficiencies despite already being the longest fucking route.
Like, contrast that shit with Illya's bad end, which I cleared without any problems because I WANTED to know more about Illya in HF. I never once chose a single Sakura scene organically, because I was told that I HAD TO.
Camden Smith
Yeah, the corner that's all about discussing and providing information about endings is definitely lying about them. Don't listen to their advice about how to avoid bad ends, it's clearly not canon.
Evan Hughes
Litteral puppet. UBW is the best VN end for shirou
Thomas Baker
>be an Artoria hater
>most of your SSR's in FGO are her
>now an Artoriakek
I'm sorry Sakurabros...
Caleb Thompson
You know repeating yourself won't change the fact you got directly refuted by , right?
Thomas Williams
>Rin HAD no route.
You don't get it.
What kind of person does Rin turn into after UBW? Look at the last ufo episode and the FHA phone conversation. It's the same as in UBW itself. That is her route, because Shirou is her salvation. As per Nasu, being forced to become a magus will utterly destroy her and she will never get anywhere within the Clock Tower even though she's one of the top 100 geniuses in its entire history.
Even in HF, it is only through SHIROU that she will find any happiness. So how is UBW not her story, when it is there she resolves and understands how to find her happiness? Like read this screencap: it tells you exactly how Rin achieves her happiness. Exactly through what she was doing in UBW.
Jeremiah Ortiz
Not even that guy, i just agree with him
Angel Fisher
You are in good company. Her worshipers are pretty chill and calm if you don't agitate them too much. We keep to ourselves because we don't really feel the need to fight that hard for her, she's already so popular it doesn't matter what we do.
Caleb Carter
That you think it only refers to the body just proves you don't get it.
Luis Clark
Considering it's Sakura's route, only an idiot would do anything other than going for all choices that benefit her on their first playthrough. Meanwhile, Ilya locks you into a bad end several days later for choosing to watch TV or eat mandarins instead of going shopping.
John Smith
HF is the only route where he's not a puppet of his borrowed justice ideals.
Carson Nelson
Josiah Butler
>borrowed
You do realize everything you are is borrowed, by that definition?
Henry Bennett
>because Shirou is her salvation
Mason White
>HF completely fails to make you care about Sakura
If you need to have out of place date scenes like Saber and Rin had in order to care about a character, that says more about you. It's very clear during the entire VN how much Shirou holds Sakura dear. She also has plenty of endearing scenes not just during HF, but also during early Fate and UBW.
Aaron Torres
>So how is UBW not her story,
Because that story is boring as shit compared to how fucking awesome "Shirou is the Red Man" plotline is. It's not that Rin has a bad story/route, it's that it shares a route with the absolute coolest fucking plotline in the entire fucking VN. Shirou is literally fighting himself from the future, a better, stronger, smarter, faster, more skilled version of himself that hates him for the ideals that drive him forward because he lived them and hates himself for them.
Rin might suck at magic one day. Meh...
Gabriel Thompson
>date
But I said I made CHOICES. You don't get to choose whether you go on dates, or even what happens on those dates. So the dates have LITERALLY NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT I SAID.
Like, for contrast, I had to make entirely new saves for the bad ends in Fate and UBW where you don't have enough flags raised, when I wanted to get all the tiger dojos, because I never managed to actually get low enough to trigger them when playing naturally. That's the difference.
Tyler Howard
>Because that story is boring as shit compared to how fucking awesome "Shirou is the Red Man" plotline is
But Rin is intergral to that. She's the bridge between the real and ideal.
Jaxon Carter
It's incredibly easy to avoid the Sakura ones too if you don't do dumb shit like leaving her alone at home while she's sick. The only truly unreasonable point-based bad end is the Ilya one in HF because of how early you can get locked into it due to choices that have absolutely nothing to do with Ilya.
Noah Gutierrez
>If you need to have out of place date scenes like Saber and Rin had in order to care about a character, that says more about you.
This. It also shows that that user is a speedreading faggot who didn't stop to appreciate the cute scenes of Sakura and Shirou actually acting like a couple.
UBW: people fight a lot and the romance scenes are rushed in the last half of the story.
Fate: Shirou and Saber gradually learn to love each other but the biggest story line is of themselves overcoming their guilt. We never see them just "be a couple". They're too fucking awkward to just rush into a relationship and by the time it almost happens Saber fucking dies.
Daniel Baker
>My anecdotal evidence is better than the simple fact that not acting like an ass doesn't give me bad ends!
Brandon Thompson
>We never see them just "be a couple"
But they're not a couple, you retard. Urobuchi spells it out for you idiots. It's a relationship between two ideals, much like in ancient myths.
Thomas Bell
Yes this is indeed a good point, I concede that point. The issue with her end-game is that it isn't put more in the forefront of the story. It's a neat idea, that she nows is responsible for the well being of what could have one day become her Servant from the HGW. She feels responsible to him and wants to guide him away from that regret.
The problem is that nearly all of that is sub-textual and implied rather than shown in the story. Basically, Nau is a hack who under utilizes some really great plot mechanics he doesn't fully understand.
Andrew Ortiz
Exactly, they basically confess and then go their seperate ways, its tragic and beautiful because we can't ever see what it may have been like for them to just honestly and truly be in love. I think that's a big part of why I fucking love Saber so much because I don't think she ever go what she deserved: a real relationship for the girl named Arturia.
Christopher Scott
>The problem is that nearly all of that is sub-textual and implied rather than shown in the story.
It's only literally spelled out in the ending, being the crucial factor which allows Shirou to defeat Archer and the main point of contention in every lone scene Shirou and Rin have in the route...
>a real relationship for the girl named Arturia.
Such a person no longer exists; that's what Shirou had to accept. If such a person existed, he might have gone through with the thought of asking Saber to run away with him, But the girl Artoria was something that only existed in her past.
Isaiah Miller
And it's similarly easy to not get the Saber or Rin bad ends. Doesn't change that it happened.
We're talking about a literary work, how is subjective experience not relevant? It's not like we're talking politics or statistics, where anecdotal evidence is actually worthless.
Or did you read FSN as if it were technical literature? A treatise on Nasu's homebrew tabletop setting?
Jack Gutierrez
You're saying that the choices provided to you were counter-intuitive and led to bad ends, putting forth the claim that in other routes you used the same logic and did not come to bad ends, then attempt to use this as an argument against the quality of the work.
That is subjective.
That is anecdotal.
That is a bad argument.
So far all you've said in this thread is 'waaah sakura baaaad' and put forth a weak, downward-spiraling argument to try and back it up. Good night sir.
Jaxson Ortiz
>Urobuchi spells it out for you idiots.
>implying anyone should care about what urobutcher things about "romance"
He couldn't write himself out of a plasticbag when it comes to writing romance. His opinion on anything romantic is just retarded to take seriously.
Jack Nguyen
>That is a bad argument
Is that not the very same argument presented regarding how weak Rin's role in UBW is in this very thread?
Rules for me, but not for thee.
David Walker
An inability to write something does not equal an inability to understand and judge something. Read the FZ author notes.
Moreover, Nasu pretty much always agrees on Uro's observations in those interviews, so who are you to criticize him?
Robert Evans
>weak Rin's role in UBW
Her role isn't weak, it's her romance in particular which is dry as a bone.
This thread opened up with
>1.Who is the best one for Shirou?
so a good way to answer this is by looking at which girl has the best romance in the novel, since apparently the best girl would be the one that is there for him the most in the route. Rin is there arguably the most but only AFTER the route.
Not trashing Rin btw, she's fucking great and adorable. I'm just saying the romance was lacking. At least compared to the other two routes.
Samuel Cox
Nasu seems to just agree with anyone on anything they want to add into his joke of a "universe".
Austin Hill
>it's her romance in particular which is dry as a bone
What are you even talking about? There's at least one romance scene every day in UBW. What should there have been more of?
Joseph Foster
Best girl for Shirou is Saber. They crush the worst in each other and both become better for it, while Tohsaka gets nothing out of keeping Shirou from killing himself.
Best girl in general is Passionlip.
Jonathan Wood
>Tohsaka gets nothing out of keeping Shirou from killing himself.
Person in question disagrees, though. "Greatest partner", are her exact words.
>Passionlip
Playing through CCC. Bitch is crazy cute. But also crazy.
Kayden Brooks
It's not that there should have been more. it's that the Shirou is the Red Man bit overshadows it ten fold. Her romance isn't the thing at stake in the route. She could have never gotten with him and it could have been entirely ackshun fightan the whole time and it would have much the same impact.