Eiichiro oda has just gone full retard

Sneed

Dont ever use Kubo to shitpost again, ANNigger shill

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tfw don't know how to greentext

>If that were true, then heterosexual characters would also have no reason to be heterosexual.
But that's the default. That's a shitty argument. It's like saying "There's no reason for a character to have all his limbs intact". People all have their limbs by default, you need a reason for them to be missing limbs.

based and redpilled kodachi moving with the times

Nothing wrong with his statement. Also, Shizune and Tsunade were clearly life partners. Kakashi is only into fictional icha icha characters, equivalent of 2D only in Naruto universe. And I don't even need to go into Naruto & Sasuke's relationship, right?

/pol/tards seething, go away Nazi cucks

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>Kubo image
>Eiichiro oda
>article is actually about Ukyo Kodachi

it's a shame americans are spreading their cancer all over the world, lgbt shit is awful

Yuri and yaoi were popular before all this LGBT shit took off in the west

How dare you use Kubo for your shit thread

not like it mathers, all mangaka are mentally ill anyways

Seems like a fine stance to have.But fuck you for using a Kubo picture, and then calling the mangaka Oda.

Seems like a good thing, u mad op?

and? the interview is about LGBT virtue signalling shit

based

That's also a shitty argument though, isn't it? By that logic any deviation from statistically average characteristics requires justification. Which is of course, nonsense.

Boruto has gay characters?

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>But that's the default.
What? No it isn't... default is bisexual.

No, it isn't.

It's really not. Depending on how you write it a gay character could probably be pretty good.

Well I assume Naruto and Sasuke are still in it.

>implying SNEK Jr. doesn't want the Borrito

Yes it is dumbass

Who gives a shit, hang yourself.

Don't bother, they just hate the gays and won't budge because of anything.

again, nothing to do with the comment.

It does, because you're conflating that any lgbt character will just instantly be shit. Gay Bro from Ao no Flag however is a good character.

>because you're conflating that any lgbt character will just instantly be shit
nope, never even implied that.

If you read the article, he is talking about Chekov's Gun. Most deviation from statistically average characteristics DO set up expectations from the viewers. I'm not arguing this means they MUST be justified; it means that people will EXPECT a justification. Ukyo responds with "No, that doesn't explain it. If that were true, then heterosexual characters would also have no reason to be heterosexual." But we assume most people to be heterosexual, so his argument is nonsense; heterosexual characters don't set up any expectation from the viewers. Being heterosexual is not a Chekov's Gun.

No, it isn't. Go be mentally ill somewhere else.

Oh the irony

Oh alright, that makes sense.

>source: guy who shoves toothbrushes up his dick

Yuri and Yaoi Are for non LGBT too. For many reasons

>There is no way this is rea...
Fuck

im gonna suck your dick

>I'm not arguing this means they MUST be justified
That's what the user you are responding to said. Reader expectations aren't a real issue here, since writers pandering to what their audience is familiar with is what leads stories to be stale and copy the tried and true tropes.

he cringe

So many trannies and cucks in this thread

Is this Oda the death note guy who the guy who turned Salad in to a child prostitute?

Don't make fun of yourself like that

>heterosexual characters don't set up any expectation from the viewers. Being heterosexual is not a Chekov's Gun.
But people expect heterosexual characters to fall in love all the time, even when that's not the focus of the story. Introduce someone of the opposite gender of the main character to a story and there will be expectations that something might happen, and people are often disappointed if nothing does.

People WISH the characters got together, they don't EXPECT it, that's not the same thing.

You are 50 years too late for this /pol/.

you forget that Yea Forums has a lot of autistic fujos and people who crosspost from tumblr and twitter

>talks about Oda, posts article of Boruto writer, uses image of Kubo

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You forget that Yea Forums has always liked shows with gay people in them.
Before tumblr or twitter existed.

i have a feeling you are one of the 3 i mentioned

It is a shitty argument but not because hetero is “default”. The guy says something like “if that were the case then heterosexuals wouldn’t have a reason to be heterosexual” but that is actually exactly correct, there is no reason whatsoever to mention or even think about a character’s sexual preference until it becomes necessary to the story.

>semantics
>mind reading
>generalization
Whoo boy.

Holy fuck BoruSarafags BTFO eternally.
Boruto is going to marry Kawaki confirmed

Otherwise you would have to expand your worldview.

Would that be different if one of the characters was (secretly) gay? What sort of a justification would you need to include a character that was gay?

the irony being people with sheltered narrow worldviews like yours tend to be the most aggressive in your defense of things like this

Things like what? That it is fine to simply have gay people in your work?

What part of his worldview was narrow and sheltered based on his post?

Yeah who a character likes can never be important unless it relates directly to the story.

It's not justification to include a faggot, it's justification to include the FACT that they're a faggot. Compare, from Beastars: Dom, who is only explicitly stated as gay on twitter because it's not important; and Legosi, main character, realizing he has a fetish (that contextualizes the events of the story up until that point) looking at the male second lead.

Who gives a shit?

>Lesbians and Gays in manga are not LGBT (Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual or Transgender)

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>there is no reason whatsoever to mention or even think about a character’s sexual preference until it becomes necessary to the story.
Wouldn't that just cause people to become butthurt when their favorite characters was suddenly gay or something? If it was written as part of the character from the start you could at least drop some hints before it became relevant.

>furry shit
die

that politics should come before art.

the part where he assumed my worldview.

>If it was written as part of the character from the start you could at least drop some hints before it became relevant.
This happens too.

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Writing a gay character isn't always politics

Back to your containment board.

>assuming another person's world view is a narrow worldview
So you were just saying shit.

>ann
>kubo picture
>talks about oda
>article mentions kodachi
prime bait, and it worked too

>when their favorite characters was suddenly gay or something
That's the issue the author is talking about, a character isn't straight by default. That's how stories have worked because every time there's a gay character, it's a big plot point. That shouldn't be the case, and people getting angry over it is dumb if they'd never shown any signs of being straight in the past.

Only becasue of gender politics tho.

>that politics should come before art.
When did I even hint that that was what I thought?

It is when you feel the need to make a commentary out of it.

it's true, though.

I think you misunderstand, if the writer cares enough to tell you who a character is interested in romantically/sexually, then It must be useful to the story being told, whether or not that romantic/sexual interest is a main part of the narrative. If the writer doesn’t care enough to tell you then it is not important. This is true for all kinds of shit not just sexual preference.

every one of your posts.

Kodachi's responses were prompted

His stance is fine, but surely he must see how fucking stupid western media is for pushing it and shoving it down everyone's throats, no? Also does this mean Boruto is getting a gay character soon? I mean obviously snek shota is gay, but will there be something else? Will sarada suddenly insert her futa cock into cat girl?

You were the one that assumed I was one of 3 types of person because I was simply challenged what you were saying.

Then quote a part of one that shows that.

No, he went out of his way.

Naruto characters are not Boruto characters, pea brain. Not even written by the same guy.

>/pol/tard rrrreeeeeeeeing about muh gays
>mention Oda in an article about Boruto writer with Kubo in the OP
Shit thread

So he is not allowed to debate things on an open forum? He should just stay quiet about everything?

>Kodachi was responding to a tweet that argued that the reason why LGBT elements don't tend to appear in anime and films is because of Chekhov's gun

Great thread, OP. I'm looking forward to your next work.

Sure, of course, but this gets into bad writing vs. good writing. The fact the author decided to make a character gay means there’s a reason for that character to be gay, that doesn’t necessarily mean there’s a good reason. This goes for straight characters too but most people don’t think about it because most characters in contemporary fiction are straight. You have to remember we are dealing with fiction, you can create literally whatever kind of world you want, there’s absolutely no reason to care whether characters are gay, straight, male, female, black, white, whatever until the author tells you to care.

the issue is that narratively speaking, most stories are always told from a hetero standpoint. We haven't gotten to the point where a characters sexuality could literally be up in the air yet.

Why would he feel the need to?

>then heterosexual characters would also have no reason to be heterosexual
This is such an old and beaten over argument it's just hilarious.
97% of the population is heterosexual. Heterosexuality is THE norm, both societal and biological. Characters absolutely don't need to have a reason to be heterosexual.
The guy himself looks like one of those ugly otakus from the art mocking yuridanshi so it's not surprising though.

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>talking about what the sexual orientation of Boruto characters

Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't Boruto characters prepubescents? I don't read it so I wouldn't know but they look very young. Isn't this discussion just wrong by default?

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Why wouldn't he?

This.

Homosexual characters also don't need a reason to be homosexual.

My problem was with "not even thinking about it", since not thinking about it beforehand can lead to awkward writing. This is true for all kinds of shit not just sexual preference, as someone wrote.

I think I'll abandon the thread now, thanks for reading.

bump

Homosexuality will never be an accepted norm anywhere aside from a ridiculously small bubble in the western world so yes, they kinda need.

Part of the problem is LGBTQ shit is the same as Netflix putting niggers in white/asian roles for "diversity."

If Nintendo suddenly decided that they wanted Ash to be gay. Cool whatever, he's gay now, and that is 100% fine. But if they were to suddenly add in a love interest boy and add in homoerotic scenes that lead to NOTHING at all and ends up just being fanservice/diversity bullshit then everyone gets mad. Ash Ketchum is fine being gay, but we don't need to waste 10 minutes of an episode to establish that he's gay, show him and a guy flirting and cooing at each other, and then show them kissing (only to completely drop it anyways because it has absolutely 0 relevance to plot) when we could just have 10 more minutes of pocket monster badassness.

Essentially, make your character a gay nigger from outer space if you want to, but don't show them doing gay nigger alien shit unless it actually involves the story in any way whatsoever. Don't even bring it up, because it's not fucking important. If you want to virtue signal to the other tardies out there just post it on twitter.

>Homosexuality will never be an accepted norm anywhere aside from a ridiculously small bubble in the western world
That simply not true.
And even then, there is no reason to have to justify a gay characters, because gay people in general doesn't exists for a reason.

This is the man Kishi gave his series to? Really?

>gender politics
We are talking about sexuality, you faggot. There are only 2 genders.

>gayniggers from outer space

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And all he did was prove that he is a fucking retard that has no idea what he's talking about.

Yet Pokemon has had a bunch of girl flirting with the main characters that never gone anywhere.

>because gay people in general doesn't exists for a reason
Of course, since they are the mistakes of nature.

I can feel the cancer seeping in a few more years we'll be just as bad as Yea Forums and /c/

No u.

Yeah. It's what the author is talking about, should authors just stick to reader's expectations?
I wholly agree, adding this stuff just for pandering is the worst they can do. Except with the last part. Why can't a character just be a gay nigger alien just because that's his character? The author is talking exactly about that mentallity that gay characters have to be gay for a reason, which is extremely dumb, since people aren't gay or straight for reasons. Stories have straight characters that are straight for no reason all the time, because it's what people are used to. Stories shouldn't be constrained to following these paradigms and adding gay characters that are gay just because that's their character isn't a bad thing, and it isn't pandering either. It's a thin line though.

When are you going to get married and have a child?

We live in a world where Fate Kaleid Liner Prisma Illya exists and airs on television and you are asking this?

*Yea Forums

>Kodachi wrote: "No, that doesn't explain it. If that were true, then heterosexual characters would also have no reason to be heterosexual. If you look at my work, there are cases where a character is LGBTQ even when it's not brought up in the story. It's the same thing as having a straight character, even when the plot doesn't delve into it."

Yeah actually, that isn't true. Romance subplots get shoe-horned into basically EVERY show and movie, even when it doesn't really contribute much to the plot, and of course by "romance" i mean "heterosexual romance".
Naruto itself is a perfect example of this. The romance between Naruto and Hinata has really nothing to do with the plot of Naruto. It's only in Boruto: Next Generations that it becomes an excuse to give Boruto the hyuuga power.

There's also many shows/movies where a character is shown to be interested in chicks to prove he "has a case of the not gays"

Why? There was romance in early Naruto, was that wrong too?

Some time down the line, user, don't you worry. I'm not an AIDS ridden freak of nature, after all.

People are gay for reasons though. The reason is called a brain defect.

>should authors just stick to reader's expectations?
No. Authors should tell the stories they want to tell first and foremost. Adhering to fan pressure is exactly the same as pandering to them.

Tsunade and Shizune also aren't even remotely implied to be attracted to each other

in fact they go out of their way to show tsunade is heterosexual so i don't know what that idiot is talking about

Bro, that's exactly what he's saying. Straight characters can be straight for no reason, but that almost never happens for gay characters.

user, naturalism would be a bad argument even if nature gave a single fuck about your preferred socio-religious order.

Go to a zoo and watch the monkeys fuck each other in the ass just to make up after and argument. You don't have to be this insecure. Just because gay is okay it's still ok to be hetero too, you know.

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>adding gay characters that are gay just because that's their character isn't a bad thing
That's a shit character though. You can't make your sexuality your personality (even though zoomers have been really trying), and any character that is gay and exists solely for the fact that they are gay is just poor writing.

Yeah, and this author is talking about his opinions and how they translate into his work.
>You can't make your sexuality your personality
That's not what I said. Being gay is not the same as that being their entire personality.
>any character that is gay and exists solely for the fact that they are gay is just poor writing.
Yes, I agree. This isn't about that, stop putting words in my mouth.

It's been known for awhile that Kodachi supports gay rights. You're years late, Yea Forums.

You better get to working on it soon then, the clock is ticking

Your clock is literally broken though, so tough shit.

I'll put my dick in your mouth if you don't shut the fuck up, faggot.

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There has not been a single Naruto and Boruto confirmed as gay.

>Your clock is literally broken though
For you

>Being gay is not the same as that being their entire personality.
Being gay utterly overshadows all other qualities of a character. It's like a black hole. You don't need to introduce it without a good reason.

hopefully that stays that way

>Being gay utterly overshadows all other qualities of a character. It's like a black hole
Maybe if you are from /pol/.

You are obsessed if you think that. Or you've seen too many shitty pandering characters and think it's their sexuality's fault, instead of the writer's.

imo, I doubt there is any way to put LGBTQ characters in work that won't cause someone to shriek pandering, virtue signalling and whatever other shit just because that has been the hot topic of the past decade. Maybe wait until shit has cooled off a few years and people have found a better social struggle to whine about

I doubt there's any way to put them in because most artists have created a complex about it after the past decade.

>won't cause someone to shriek pandering
There's always going to be retards whining. Without any gay characters it's the other end of the spectrum that's whining, can't please everyone. Not that it's about that, an author should write the story they want to write, and the characters they want to write.

>You are obsessed if you think that
No, i just had a misfortune of stepping into a few BL and yurishit titles along the line. Cringe-inducing, one note garbage that exists to pander to a specific niche auditory.

>Maybe wait until shit has cooled off a few years and people have found a better social struggle to whine about
Or just write whatever you want to write and shit on the haters.

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>Cringe-inducing, one note garbage that exists to pander to a specific niche auditory.
Yes, that's what those are. And they are not what we are talking about

I don't care, I've watched BL and Yuri some author making side/main characters gay lesbian or whatever so the world feels more natural and alive then do it without having to make yourself seem like a matyr.

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It's because no one does gay characters correctly. Gays shouldn't be celebrated and depicted as super happy-go-lucky amazing bright and cheery people. Most of them are horribly depressed and have actual mental problems, but they are rarely ever depicted this way.

Also gays happen, but it shouldn't be praised or looked into as being normal or cool. Less than 3% of the population (about 200,000,000 people) of the world isn't hetero, and probably only .1% of them are trans. Most storytellers don't want to subject their mostly straight audience to it, because why should they? It's ok to be fine with gay people existing, but you shouldn't put it in a good light either. It's a sickness and it's also the death of our species if too many people decide to be LGBTBBQ.

I mean yaoi and yuri do exist and as much as anons want to claim it isn't reaaaally LGBTQ, it is. Now, putting those types of characters in with a primarily hetero cast and not bringing attention to it somehow? That will take some time for writers to figure out how to do.

You're just saying that becasue you're not the target audience so your genitals don't make you eat the shit. General hetero haremshit is no different in terms of depth and quality of writing.

Animals have no concept of sexuality shit for brains. They are mindless slaves to their genitals and would stick their dick between two wet rocks if it could fit.

The world isn't full of ninjas that can cast magic you know? Fiction doesn't have to follow real world logic.
> It's a sickness and it's also the death of our species
So having war and conflict in a story is also wrong? Your life must be really sad, go back to /pol/ to talk about jews or something.

>General hetero haremshit is no different in terms of depth and quality of writing.
Even those typically one step ahead in terms of quality at the very least as far as presetation and designs go.

We don’t watch anime to see wordly hyperrealism user

They aren't.

>Animals have no concept of sexuality
What the fuck am I reading?

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The whole thread is about characters being gay for no other reason than that being who they are. Yaoi and yuri are literally fanservice and pandering, it's an entirely different thing.

Why is Queer even a thing in this dumb ass acronym? Queer just means weird, and then it was used as a literal slur against gays. I know these people are dumb, but how can they be this dumb? Are autists on the LGBT scale because they are queer as fuck?

I trust the Japanese making gay characters. People are so cynical about it because the west tainted the whole concept.

Midori from Tamako Love Story comes to mind. And Mizore, in Liz to Aoi Tori.

There is a bunch of fags in manga/anime, so it's nothing new.

They are. A typical yurishit ain't just poorly written, it's also hideous.

>Without any gay characters it's the other end of the spectrum that's whining, can't please everyone.
Might as well pander to the 7 billion people in the world over the 200 million brain deficient retards that managed to find their way onto the internet.

Maybe you just hate gay people

What Boruto character will be gay? I bet in the tomboy

Yeah, because everyone that isn't gay hates the gays with a passion and wants them exterminated. You are right, fire to the gays!

I don't think that's a "maybe", he seems pretty open about it.

It is meant for people who are deviant in similar ways gays and the others are but doesn't fit under those labels.

Yeah, honestly Kodachi had no reason to even bring this into light at all. He's actually retarded if he thinks this won't only result in negativity.

I hate poorly written and ugly drawn stories too.

I'd go as far as saying Hibike! Euphonium teases the idea of the main characters being lesbian

Fact: you can make any character gay, even if they had a wife.
Just say they were in denial.

In my headcanon, every character in Naruto is gay. Naruto, Sasuke, Itachi, Sakura (badly in denial), Ino, Sai, Kakashi, Hinata (denial), Neji, Guy, Lee, Tenten, etc

This has already been addressed. The logic doesn't add up because it implies anything that deviates from the statistical norm would need to be explained narratively which has obviously never been the case.

Japanese people don't regularly have technicolour hair and blue eyes and yet here we are.

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The only characters who can realistically be gay are Mitsuki with his fascination with Boruto or Wasabi and Namida.

He just talked about it on twitter, I doubt he thought it would go anywhere at all.

Just like death, emotions, language, etc. Animals have no concept of gay or straight. They fuck to breed and they fuck whatever is in sight if their dick commands them to. If animals had a concept of sexuality and some of them were "gay" as you seem to be implying, then why do you not see female animals scissoring or giving oral to another females genitals? Because they aren't gay, the guy just has a hard dick and found the nearest hole to stick it into, because it's a mindless fucking braindead animal. Humans realized "hey, i don't want my butt fucked, and I also don't want to fuck that guys butt that's just gross and weird, i'll stick to my normal natural breeding sex please, so fuck off you wretched dick I'll just use my hands until I can find a female."

Agree

Fucking thought there was new Kubo news you useless scum. Post this one reddit or something

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> without having to make yourself seem like a matyr.
He's literally replying to a question someone asked him about it on Twitter. You have to consider that sometimes people just like to talk about things that interests them and aren't trying to personally mind control you.

Until you can show me some yuri/yaoi shit that is on the level of Monogatari series (a harem) then you can just get the fuck out of my face.

Hibike teases the idea of seling merchandise to braindead shippers only to anally devastate them later.

Japan absorbs western culture like a black hole though. They get more and more like the disgusting white piggu every day. Hell Asanagi/Fatal Pulse literally released a doujin the other day that involved some SJW girls that want to run their school with feminism and think that girls are above guys in every way until they get mindbroken by chad and realize their true worth as cumdumps.

No he isn't, he's responding to a random twitter post.

Utena.
Oniisama E.

How does Yea Forums do it? Even with all it's flaws it still manages to maintain a level of quality far above the other media boards.

it's purely american dogshit, and america gets worse the more diverse and multicultural it becomes.

To the contrary, the only good use of Kubo is a shitpost.

>Queer just means weird
And gay just means merry.

Not even close.

The picture is Kubo, he talks about Oda, but the article is about Boruto writer who isn't even Kishimoto. Basically "Big 3" rundumb humor.

Then you haven’t even watched them.
Or it is your anti-gay basis speaking.

TV Utena is not a yuri series unless your definition of yuri involves main heroine getting thoroughly dicked.

Animals do not have concepts of anything.
It's derived from Queer Theory, which is a pseudo-academic field pioneered by people like Judith Butler. It isn't supposed to make sense, it is supposed to make the abnormal normal and the immoral moral.

Utena and Anthy still clearly love each other. There is also the movie which also is better than monogatari.

The movie is an absolute dogshit together with yuribears.
It's a clear sign that Ikuhara should be gagged and controlled to produce quality content.

homosexuals are pedophiles who reproduce through child molestation. They are trying to normalize their terrible affliction by indoctrinating young children through chinese cartoons.

>anything that deviates from the statistical norm
Not everything, no. But we're speaking about the sexuality which is a base attribute of a human being. Trying to normalize homosexuality is the same as trying to forcibly portray coprophilia in positive light.

Sound like a solid plan, lets see how it works out.

eating shit is totally healthy and normal you coprophobic bigot

Only if it's your own shit. If you eat the shit of someone who has different gut bacteria than you, you could die.

Bacterias are a myth you bigot, eating shit is as safe as eating normal food.

Come to think of it, I have never actually seen a bacteria before.

>supports LGBT
>is probably a pedophile
Checks out

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>Yea Forums: Let Japanese artists draw whatever they want, it's not your place to criticize people what they create.

>Yea Forums, in the same breath: Why the hell are these Japanese artists giving characters sexual orientations to their characters. This just feels so wrong

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>>>twitter

You have to have faith in the bacteria user. Without faith what are we as a species? Don't let those shit eating weirdos pollute your brain.

Sure and anime is just cartoons.

I guess ANN is just going to ignore that he's most likely a lolicon so thus a heretic in their eyes

>Yea Forums is one person

At this moment, I am euphoric. Not because of some phony bacteria's blessing, but because I am enlightened by my intelligence.

>ninja
>in shoes that you'd see on a prostitute
wew lad. How long until he pulls an Oreimo and his own private secret doujin he's been writing of Sarada gets leaked?

I'm not a moralfag but what is that skirt length

Love is love you bigots. It doesn't matter if imouto loves onee-chan or onii-chan.

very cute and funny

But what if she loves both?

Food is food you bigots. It doesn't matter if you eat normal food or shit.

Are you a cannibal user?

>still jilling on the shit-eating metaphor
Do you have a closet scat fetish or something?

That's Ikemoto

It's quite a good representation of what happens with homoshit being forcibly injected into everything.

This isn’t about things being forcibly injected into anything though

Kodachi is just the writer. Ikemoto is the artist.

This trash has a separate artist and writer?
Jesus.

America is like Arch Linux, Europe is like Fedora, and Japan is like Debian stable