Can somebody explain this whole "Ufotable's UBW was bad" meme?

VN autists that are still coping for having wasted dozens of hours on reading subpar writing

why would they have read the other 2 routes if they didn't like the first?

Yeah, and I got all of that after 1 flashback. The other 536 ones were unnecessary.

There aren't many flashbacks to Shirou's past though.

Like every 2nd day he has a dream about the fire or Kiritsugu.

No not really

They also messed up the moment when Emiya signs a contract. In VN, he begged to become a hero to save people, in the anime Counterforce offers a contract to him.

By the same reason so many Yea Forumsnons watch utter crap: "Surely it will get better by episode 4"; "Surely it will get better by episode 5"; "Surely it will get better by episode 6"; ...; "Surely it will get better by the final episode".

>and not desperate enough.
Of all the criticisms you could have given, I think that was the worst one.

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>better with less visual information and more inner monologues
That's fucking stupid. Anime is supposed to be a visual medium by nature. You're supposed to rely on the principal of "show, don't tell" when conveying the story, characters and their motivations, etc.

Shirou already had enough inner monologues. Having more on top of that would've dragged the show down and made it tedious. People who need to have everything explained to them through dialogue rather than being able to pick up on visual cues are just brainlets.

Nah, even before they enter UBW the fight in the mansion in the VN felt far more desperate for Shirou.

I don't even like Fate and the VN was still miles better than that Michael Bay garbage of an anime.

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I liked the VN a lot and I loved the anime even more.
Have fun convincing yourself you have taste or something though I guess.
Yeah. I actually went into the UBW anime expecting long stills and Shirou thinking to himself for 5-6 minutes at a time and was surprised and pleased when they shortened his inner monologues or removed them in favour of facial expressions, visual metaphors and dialogue.
Some people just can't read faces very well or just want to start conflict in threads on Yea Forums, put things down in order to feel a sense of superiority or otherwise.

So?

What would desperation have added?
Keep in mind Nasu himself was very closely tied to the anime adaptation and any changes made were from his lips.

>insert shitty Jpop
why? the song has no relation to said scene at all, I think Episode 20 would have done better without the song.

That's basically the entire point of the fight

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>Some people just can't read faces very well
Yes. They're called autists. The anime fandom is filled with tons of them.

Because it was a good song and the lyrics fit Shirou/Archer to a T.
Having the 'Emiya' song play constantly doesn't fit every scene and it would get tired quickly if it was repeated.
No it's not. That's not desperation. That's resolve. If you want desperation you can look at Shirou's frightened and angry faces during the fight, you don't need him to TELL you that he's desperate. Go back to watching Naruto or Bleach.

What makes you think that that sense of desperation wasn't there in the anime. The entire fight felt completely one sided as Shirou was struggling to fight back against Archer. You got that same sense of desperation of Shirou trying to keep up with Archer and EMIYA's desires to break Shirou's spirit.

Read the fucking lyrics for Last Stardust. It's completely fitting for Shirou.

Don't you feel the difference between "I want to save dying people, I will sacrifice my body to CF" and "OK, but if I continue helping people (by killing them)"

I notice the people who hate the UBW adaptation have very poor criticisms, shallow expectations or misinterpret a lot of shit.
I don't think they let themselves enjoy anything and just seek out scenes for things to shitpost on Yea Forums about or inconsequential nitpicking.

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The fight should have been much more than Shirou looking angry or frightened.

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The only legit criticism that I have for UfoBW is that the soundtrack wasn't that memorable. It was alright, but felt dull compared to Kajiura's soundtrack for Fate/Zero. Thank God they brought Kajiura back for Heaven's Feel.

Every single detail in that image is very distinct and clear in the anime.
Did you even watch it?

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Yes I have, he doesn't look remotely as hurt as he should be.

The fucking scene with Shirou and the counterforce in the anime was only like 30 seconds. They had to trim it down so as not to fuck up the pacing. Where are you getting the idea that it changed the circumstances of how Shirou became a counter guardian?

When I watched UBW I came out if it feeling like there were too many flashbacks. Shirou was well established and his motivations were clear. If anything ufo portrayed his character so well I hated him for being such a mess. If the VN makes him more of a basedboi than UBW I've lost all interest in reading it

I still think Kawai Kenji's soundtrack for the 2006 fate anime was too good.
Eiyuu Ou still best Gil theme song

Oh yeah. The lack of 'Ever Present Feeling' (better song than even Emiya in the VN) was pretty disappointing.
You sound like such a fucking child.

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so why did Shirou grow like a foot taller and get smaller eyes?

Are you fucking serious? It shows him getting slashed, stabbed, and beat the shit out of by Archer with him barely able to stand or keep his eyes open. What more do you need?

Is there an explanation than just "it' is what it is" when the narrator says Shirou absorbs the combat skill of Redman?

Even when they make it as overt as possible autists complain it's too subtle

Ever Present Feeling has no right to be that good of a song

You're getting unironically upset I don't agree with your opinion you faggot, read the fucking VN.

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Late puberty growth spurt and anime.
Yes.
Shirou traces everything about a noble phantasm when he creates weaponry. If he just traced the shape they wouldn't refer to them as noble phantasms. The noble phantasms carry everything from special abilities to techniques and muscle memory of the original wielder.

Because Shirou is tracing Archer's specific set of Kanshou and Bakuya, they've accumulated all of his techniques and muscle memory. These work doubly as well for Shirou because he's a younger, weaker version of Heroic Spirit Emiya.

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world building is horrible and terrible. no one had any idea what magic circuits, magic switch, or shirou's strengethening/projection was

shirou rin relationship was forced and rin being tsun all the time instead of shirou being constantly embarassed by rin finally making her tsun when he she loses archer and he helps her calm down. anime makes shirou look like a chad.

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>Argues Shirou doesn't look hurt enough.
>Every single injury written in the visual novel is present on him in the anime and then some (like Archer sucker-stabbing into his thigh).
Yeah. I'm a bit upset you won't listen to reason and instead trust your knee-jerk reactions.

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can Shirou trace a gun or is it just swords? like if someone gave him a pistol, would he be able to trace it? Also is his tracing limited to weapons? could he trace like a car or a heater or something?

youtu.be/onQNX6xao7A?t=614

in what way is this "barely able to stand or keep his eyes open"

>no one had any idea what magic circuits, magic switch, or shirou's strengethening/projection was
That's because they're retarded and can't use contextual clues. Don't give them any time of day.

can i just say how fucking bullshit it is how Archer is described as a below average servant? yeah his stats are shit but literally everything else about him makes him overpowered

Look:
He was on his knees, one of his eyes doused with blood and the other lid barely open. What would you call that?

The adaptation improved that shitty route. I can't believe I actually enjoyed UBW. Good job Ufotable.

I see. Also, why is Shirou so attracted to Archer's twin swords? I never really understood that in the VN/anime

yet he wa still fine enough to defend against multiple projections and run about 20 feet, they tried to make shirou look too badass and it ruined the fight.

>cherry picking the scene where Avalon activates and starts healing Shirou so he can stand back up and fight again in order to disprove that Shirou was beat and stabbed the fuck out of by Archer
Based retard.

He has a huge boner for swords.
He loves swords and these ones especially represent yin and yang (and in this show, Truth and Ideal. Notice how Archer only stabs Shirou with his Ideal sword while keeping the black one, Truth, nearby).

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in what way does that make the fight less disappointing?

>they tried to make shirou look too badass and it ruined the fight
They explained that his body was healed by Avalon and he got stronger throughout the fight by syncing his magic circuits with Archer inadvertently. Again, based retard.

>yet he wa still fine enough to defend against multiple projections and run about 20 feet,
AFTER avalon healed him and then he got even more injuries right after, yes.
Just like in the visual novel where he would have collapsed if he stopped to rest for even a second.

Are you doubling back on your argument or are you someone else?
>they tried to make shirou look too badass and it ruined the fight.
They didn't. Shirou got his ass handed to him from beginning to end.

He isn't just tracing the wielders skills with Archer like he does with other heroic spirits, but also absorbing his combat experience and memories due to being considered the same person by the world. It's how he was able to fight off rider with a chair leg the first time he encountered her in UBW (before he even learned NP projection).

he is a sword autist. expalined better in fate route, he literally can tell what gilgamesh weapons are coming out of GoB when he kills Medea.

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it's worse than the VN

Sad and beautiful history.
Also godlile purity and holiness.

Avalon didn't completely heal Shirou in the VN like some epic power-up moment. Stop overcompensating for your garbage fanfic adaptation, newfag.

I won't even bring up the flying 50 ft in the air DBZ style against Gilgamesh. How are you going to cope with that?

In what way did it make it disappointing? You're just desperate to whine and bitch about anything even when it's not worth bitching about.

Isn't that AFTER Saber agrees to train Shirou? It makes sense he'd learn the basics of swordfighting and be able to take out a few skeletons with someone like King Arthur training you. Not to mention Shirou is naturally disciplined and buff.

Peetty sure Lancer actually hits him while he's gushing about gae bolg

no one with a brain does this. maybe projection?

he's not wrong, they tried to make Shirou look more OP and stronger than he is because he is the MC
compare, his shoulder was slashed by saber and he was barely hanging on to his life and in the VN he was complaining the entire time of burning and not being able to think straight
youtu.be/LHWBrGI0bC4?t=233

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The same place you download your anime from.

Trace on

>he's not wrong, they tried to make Shirou look more OP and stronger than he is because he is the MC
wut
Are you mistaking the UBW anime with the movie or something?

Some retards believe it. It's an alright adaptation, but you should nonetheless read the fucking VN if you're interested in Fate.

it's the fucking biggest fight of the route, it's definitely something to care about faggot.

This. The anime's as good as an adaptation is ever going to get, but you should still read the visual novel to see all the background info that can't be adapted.

>Avalon didn't completely heal Shirou in the VN like some epic power-up moment.
Yeah, I know it didn't happen in the VN. He was referring to a cherry picked scene in the anime, so I was explaining to the dipshit what happened in the anime.
>Stop overcompensating for your garbage fanfic adaptation, newfag.
Eat a dick. If anything, adding the scene where Avalon heals Shirou is an improvement as it didn't make sense for it not to activate when Saber was nearby in the VN too.
>I won't even bring up the flying 50 ft in the air DBZ style against Gilgamesh. How are you going to cope with that?
Now you're just shitposting as this never happened.

What a shitty adaptation

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>It's disappointing because the description of his injuries didn't perfectly match what I imagined in my head!
Get over yourself retard. They adapted the injuries that were described and weren't going to go full gore mode and exaggerate them.

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Yeah, read the scene again, Shirou himself is surprised by how he managed to repeatedly block riders attacks, which he admits he shouldn't have the skill to do since he can't even see her movements. It's a nice hint about Archer's relationship with Shirou.

But you don't explain how it makes it disappointing at all. You just say "it was disappointing" without saying why. You're grasping at straws looking for any reason to complain.

What the FUCK THIS IS BULLSHIT
NOT MY SHIROU!!

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This is why, read the fucking VN.

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First of all, how do we even know that the scene at the bottom you posted is supposed to be adapting the scene at the top? Secondly, that's just a clock. Not an alarm clock. If you read the VN, there are moments that you'll hear the tick tock of a clock, indicating that Shirou at least had a clock in his room.

More vague faggotry because you're incapable of coming up with an argument in spite of posting descriptions that were translated perfectly into the anime.

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It's a joke, user. It's sarcasm.

I'm not arguing with someone who hasn't read the VN

only time he used a clock was saber's date in fate route never used one before, he always says in VN he wakes up because sunlight or birds chirping

Are you for real?
Damn I underestimated the fateshitter autism

What the fuck is this quote from the VN supposed to prove? What the hell are you even trying to argue at this point? All you're doing is cherry picking scenes from the VN and the anime and taking them completely out of context. As someone who read the VN first and then watched the anime, I can say with certainty that Ufo did fine and you're just being autistic.

How did Shirou from Archer's timeline figure out that his ability was his Reality Marble all along? In fact, how do you even know if you have one?

I don't get it, why does he hate clocks?

>Shirou manages to block two of rider's attacks and dodges another.
>Looks shocked for a split second.
>Quickly looks smug to act like he's stronger than he looks.
>Sweatdrop shows he's already strained.
What's the problem?
Do you really want me to keep doing this song and dance with you, faggot?
How much more nitpicking do you want to dispense? I don't think you can even appreciate the work of fiction you claim to love if you're acting this childish.

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Sadly people are too stupid to understand anything these days unless it's spelt out for them

>muh inner monologues
That would like double the amount of episodes and we would get 5 minute still shots of Shirou talking to himself about the same stuff and multiple flashbacks of the same stuff and multiple repeating explanations of spells and magic circuits. Is that what you want?

DEEN F/SN > DEEN UBW movie > VN > trash > Ufotable adaptations

If you disagree with this, you are, alas, an ignorant pleb.

If you read a little bit further Shirou says that its impossible for him to block those attacks even on coincidence. He was actually unconsciously absorbing combat experience from Archer ever since he saw his fight with Lancer, which was also how he managed to predict and block Lancer's attacks a few times before being cornered in the shed.

>As someone who read the VN first
doubt it to be honest, otherwise you wouldn't defend the climax of the fight being turned into shirou being able to do epic feats rather than shirou just desperately swinging at archer

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He found out about it YEARS after the grail war, likely while fighting some mage or monster and had to go all out.
He also met Ciel and gave him the shroud of martin (Archer's red pieces are literally Jesus's death blanket).

Yes, epic feats such as running forward and getting back up after rolling around in the dirt for a few seconds over and over.
So badass, seeing Shirou do a flip from being kicked in the stomach.

why do you keep lying?

youtu.be/onQNX6xao7A?t=639

don’t think I was replying to you, was posting the screen the anons were talking about in the VN

>>imagine hating Last Stardust

>Literally just running forward and barely stumbling past giant swords.
>Managed to not get squished behind them.
>Use the explosion behind him to keep himself from falling backwards.
Where did I lie? What's so remarkable about this?

>Shirou being able to do epic feats
Like what? All he did was deflect Archer's blades and get close enough to land a strike. You're making it sound like Shirou went Super Saiyan in the anime when he didn't. You're really over-exaggerating the differences between the VN and the anime.

bruh that’s Last Stardust.
I don’t think the adaptation was that perfect because it showed Shirou as a complete chad when dealing with Rin and OP in scenes where he was barely hanging on with his life.
But don’t fuck with Aimer

you are so fucking disingenuous

And you are so fucking autistic.

I’m reading through UBW right now, on day 13 when they head to Illya villa.
Pretty much from what I remember from the anime they don’t address any of Shirou’s thoughts of his seigi no mitaka and why he wants to be a super hero because of the accident.
He gets embarassed around Rin a lot because she is like the queen of the school and she bullies him a lot, not enough in the anime.
and Rin’s path of a magus how she tries to act like one but is really just a normal girl putting a facade, and why Shirou wants to protect her and pay her back

i unironically think DEEN did a better job with the Archer vs. Shirou fight than ufotable. Too bad the rest of the movie was shit.

>autists sperging about differences in the anime
>not realizing that it was nasu who decided to make some things different and that's how the vn would be if he was writing it in 2014

I'm being honest with you.
The closest part to being unlike the VN are the fact they keep projecting Kanshou and Bakuya instead of all kinds of different swords (Archer trying to trip Shirou up) and the fact he did some cool moves right after Avalon healed him, which can be chocked up to Shirou absorbing Archer's techniques like they've been hammering you over the head with since the beginning.

The disingenuous one is you because you refuse to be rational and your nitpicking is all contrived shit. If I had to guess you picked up these "arguments" from other anons who were having kneejerk reactions during the airing.

THIS THIS THIS FUCKING THIS

Christ VNfags are such obnoxious retards.

But he isn't writing it in 2014, and he has written a lot of garbage for Fate recently, who cares?

I keep telling them that but they conveniently ignore it as if they're not improvements.
The only change I didn't like was that I would have liked to see Archer and Shirou use more than just Kanshou and Bakuya, but I realize that was done for the whole Truth and Ideal symbolism.

Doesn't mean it can't be worse.

Isn't he just complaining about how he thinks the vn text conveys the desperation from Shirou much better than the anime did?

>THIS THIS THIS FUCKING THIS
>other people are such obnoxious retards

I wonder what he thinks of the new Eva films

>caring about nu-Nasu
The Extraverse nearly killed any hope that he/she would ever write something good again

He did well against Caster because, you know, Caster class is shit in fighting. Both time he fought Lancer, its clear as the day that Lancer is superior to him. He killed 5 lives of Hercules, which I give him credit. His power maybe a perfect counter to Gilgamesh, but keep in mind that If its Archer himself who faces Gil, Gil will be more serious. Over all, what Archer lacks is just fame boost since noone knows him, but his copy skill helps him make a perfect copy to even sth like Carabolg, so even if he cant compete with servants from Age of Gods, he can do well against servants from Age of Man.

Haven't watched them lol

To be fair a fuckload of Servants introduced in Grand Order would smash him clean.
He stands up well against Servants from the 5th because he remembers them clearly from when he was part of it, and produced techniques and used weapons specifically to counteract the weaknesses he already knows about.
He's got the upper hand for being on NG+ to put it in videogame terms.

You just described HxH lmao

HxH is the fucking definition of tell without showing.
Holy FUCK the pacing is bad.

Who gives a shit about Hiatus x Hiatus? Stay on topic.

My King is beautiful!

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I mean he managed to hold back the entire 5th HGW when actually using a bow (even lancer who has pfa) in HA. Also you are giving Gilgamesh too much credit when he didn't wear his armor even when fighting Heracles and he didn't even see it as necessary vs Saber, both of which he respects much more than EMIYA.

>Archer had so many chances to chat with Saber.
>Either avoided her entirely or acted like a cunt anytime she tried to speak to him.
I know he didn't want her to know he was Shirou but man he's an asshole.

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Yet he hesitated long enough for Saber to almost decaptate him.

>5 lives
Six user. In the VN he killed Herc six times, while wonded from Saber

EMIYA forgot who Rin was though before she told him her name even though he went to the clock tower to study with her for years after the war. It's unlikely that he got any advantage from experiencing the war in the past considering how worn down his memories are.

I believe it, the majority of what ufotable has produced has been over polished shit, generic shit shows that are all flash no substance

the only thing they've really done right was SnY and it's why all these fanboys are shit posting lately

it's been almost ten years since zero, bladework was basically just them doing zero again

and everything else has been pure trash

He spend countless years as a Counter Guardian. It likely felt like hundreds of years before he saw Rin again. He didn't have amnesia, it was just so long since he saw anyone from when he was alive. The fact he even forgot what about his ideal he obsessed over means it was a fucking huge amount of time.

holy shit how can UFOtable live with themselves

visually it is impressive but everything else, and i mean everything, is utter shit

Literally BTFO how can they recover knowing UFO shirou is a degenerate alarmfag?

I bet they use alarm clocks in real life too lol

It was ugly. Ugly character designs, overdone digital effects, not enough actual good sakuga.

>But don't fuck with Aimer
Based

>his speed is nothing
Yeah what a waste they didn't accurately adapt the VN.

Dumb anons need everything explained to them.

A majority of the VN is just inner monologues, yet they felt the need to add more.
This isn't also adding to the point that UBW, as much as others would love to claim it isn't, is structured, implied heavily and due to when the series each came out, is a sequel to Zero. Even though that's how the VN never wanted it to be when it first started, that's how it is unfortunately. This makes the whole "inner monologues and constant cutting to previous events" argument even more sound, because they keep cutting to points where LOOK ITS ZERO RELATED GUYS ITS KERRY'S DREAM
Its tiring for anyone paying attention

Then again Fate is just cute girls and dumb powerlevel bullshit
Anyone else saying the series is anything else has obviously never played the VN.

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please, The “fire from 10 years ago” is one of the most seen picture/CG in the Vn

I have watched every animated thing related to fate, played all the single player video games and have hundreds of hours spent on FGO. I havent bothered with the VN because it's slow and long.

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We don't know what Nasu looks like? He has never shown himself in a panel?

ufotable's love of bright flashing lights to obfuscate some pretty boring looking fight scenes. The prime example is Shirou vs Kuzuki in the ambush. Shirou stands still, Kuzuki stands still. The screen is covered in bright flashy magic explosions, Kuzuki is knocked away with bloody hands.

The second fight between Archer and Lancer was criminal. There's maybe 20 seconds of actual fighting between the two, about 2 minutes of them standing still and talking, and then gae bolg vs rho aias (which admittedly was fucking gorgeous so I'll give them that)

The "That's hell you're walking into" is the best scene of the anime.

The archer and gil fight were depicted more shounen-y and grand than they actually were.

Archer fight wasn't in ubw, shirou's avalon was keeping him alive but wasn't the same rapid healing it showed. Shirou was basically a walking zombie with broken bones, organs and limbs hanging out and bleeding everywhere. When Shirou started "beating" archer it was more about the ideals than him literally overpowering him with swordplay, which the show as more just sword spam vs shirou.

The gil fight had too much sword spam when it was really just melee, just like the archer fight.
It also didn't really display that the reason gil was losing was because he doesn't really know how to use the weapons he has, he just throws them.

Show also could have done a better job displaying that Shirou not only projected weapons, but also the skills of the users of those weapons.

They bit more than they can chew.
Back to back action-heavy 1 hour special and 14 episodes in 1 cour with the last one also being a 1 hour special fucked them over. There's also GSD-tier production disaster happening with God Eater at the same time.

A large majority of fight scenes in the second season looked no better than Deen as a result.

He comes from a timeline where they never really got close. Both she and him needed each other to save themselves and some timelines have them go down their dark paths.

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It's mostly to do with the source material (VN) being really hard to translate to another medium fully intact. Then there's the continuity issues where Zero preceded it instead of Fate. UfoBW is a great supplement, but not a replacement.

>Then there's the continuity issues where Zero preceded it instead of Fate.
I didn't see any continuity issues between /Zero and UBW.

he already fucked up his chance and even if he did manage to make her fall for him as Archer, it would just hurt even more when one of them would inevitably have to die or even worse, kill each other

Because maybe its objectively bad?
It's not Apocrypha bad, but its still one of the weakest Fate parts.
Its literally a route about Shirou and Archer. NOTHING else different happens.
After just reading the original Fate Stay Night route, UBW just adds a Shirou vs Archer fight and thats it.
It was a mistake route, especially because they make Archer a big mystery when all he is is "punished Shirou from the future".

>After just reading the original Fate Stay Night route, UBW just adds a Shirou vs Archer fight and thats it.
Thank god you're such an obvious troll so nobody will fall for your shit.

To be fair, fsn in general doesn't work unless all routes are played. HF can't be played without Fate and UBW first, but not only for game purposes, but plotwise, both are necessary.
All routes are needed.

and yet i couldn't give less of a shit about Sakura because she was a literal who for most of the story until HF

It would be easy to make an anime that included all the important information and parts of the 3 routes (or at least UBW and HF):

Start the anime off like UBW. Have Shirou spend more time with Saber, develop her as a chaarcter to give more meaning to seeing herself in the Archer vs Shirou fight. Keep Illya alive somehow.
Immediately after the Archer vs Shirou fight, segue into mid to late HF with the shadow appearing, Gilgamesh gets eaten. The shadow blows off Shirou's arm. Archer carries Shirou to Kotomine and grafts his arm onto Shirou's body before he disappears, now fully trusting Shirou with the rest with his ideal renewed.
HF happens to the end.

Fate was more a set-up introductory route with Saber romance. Giving her more scenes in this scenario would make the inevitable "Shirou killing Saber" part have more power.

Not really.
The FIRST route is needed.
Then you can jump right to HF and skip the fuck outta UBW with no problems.
You dont need to read UBW to understand that Archer is Shirou and thats pretty much the most important information in UBW.

As a whole I don't think it was bad, but man did I hate how they did shirou vs gilgamesh

>You dont need to read UBW to understand that Archer is Shirou and thats pretty much the most important information in UBW
You've completely missed the point of what each route stands for idealogically

Fate is about realizing your ideals(oneself as an ideal),UBW is about chasing your ideals despite knowing what you'll face in future(struggling with oneself as an ideal), HF is your ideals being put to the test in the real world(the friction with real and ideal)

This isn't just my interpretation, this is how Nasu describes the overall ideas of each route.

All routes are needed so you can understand how Shirou really is. Fate doesn't really do justice to how mentally broken Shirou is and HF just straight up has him madman status with no buffer. Not only that, but certain events in UBW are absolutely necessary to have read aside from just the archer reveal

acting like a cunt is his way of being nice?
The only things he knows is to point the flaws of other people but himself
It’s why he was making fun of her after riders death where he called rider useless

5 times.
Archer killed him 6.
Rin killed him once with the three magic crystals.
Shirou/Saber killed him 5.

I thought the best part in the VN's was all the side fucking around and stuff that doesn't involve the main story, the anime doesn't have alot of stuff like that compared to the VN. its a serviceable adaptation, but I think adapting a VN where self monologues and little details are super important when understanding the characters and plot is just impossible.

projection is not gone in depth in fate route, they don’t talk about what you need to project something and the guardian/heroic spirit is expanded in UBW. Most importantly shirou’s ideal which was brought up a lot in fate for sabers parallel, but the pointlessness of him chasing his ideal is ubw only.
it’s meant to be read fate>ubw>hf

Rin didn't kill berserker in VN
5 from archer
7 from shirou saber

>Rin didn't kill berserker in VN
Yes she did, she shot him in the face with crystals.
The DEEN anime reduced the number of times Caliburn killed him.

The nods and connections to Fate/Zero were inevitable considering how popular the show was. All things considered, I think they were handled well.

>The nods and connections to Fate/Zero were inevitable considering how popular the show was.
Not to mention it only makes sense.
Shirou's ideal was inherited from Kiritsugu.
To not make more allusions to Fate/Zero after the fact would be criminal.

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>is structured, implied heavily and due to when the series each came out, is a sequel to Zero.
That's not a bad thing.
Fate/Zero was a prequel made with what very few details were given during the VN (mainly the Fate route).
Obviously some shit is going to carry over, and now that they made a /Zero anime it's going to make more connections because, surprise surprise, F/SN takes place 10 years after and many of the characters have family from it.

To treat them entirely separate like they SHOULDN'T be connected with be fucking stupid.
>LOOK ITS ZERO RELATED GUYS ITS KERRY'S DREAM
That's never the intention. It's what you felt because you don't like Fate/Zero and you're asspained that UBW respected /Zero enough to add a couple of subtle callbacks.

what did the anime do to reference zero that made people dislike it?
In the VN he constantly brings up kerry, when asking himself why he chases his ideal and medea also brings it up when she has taiga hostage?

It IS a visual medium by nature you dumbass.

This. If it weren't for Zero, Fate wouldn't have had such a massive rennaisance in popularity. It only makes sense that nods to Zero are made. Heaven's Feel has been doing it too.
A few visual homages, cinematography, plot points, character cameos, etc. The nods were very subtle and done with finesse as most of the focus was on telling UBW. Autists can't even handle subtlety because they're autists.

Yeah. That's literally what I said you brainlet.

JK Rowling says Hermione was always black.

It's literally anime onlies and literal autists upset that it's not delivering the exact same experience as the VN with all the monologue presented
Almost everything else is yaraon zerofag bait
Although admittedly the extra Caster scenes (not the parts about her master but the battle on the bridge that wasn't in the VN and took up a whole episode) weren't really the best choice of additions

The average anime viewer unironically sits through shit like Bleach/Naruto that do exactly this
Remember this any time a supposed "VNfag" suggests that the series isn't the same without Shirou's inner monologue and that he looks stupid without it, as though he's not supposed to

the entire thing is very pretty looking shit

>Spoiler
I figured it was sensible. She's one of the main antagonists and she doesn't get ANY attention whatsoever in Fate (instantly gibbed by Gilgamesh) and HF (instantly devoured by the shadow). UBW was the time for certain Servants to get more screen time.

>Sugiyama says the UBW incantation in Japanese instead of Engrish
>does it again in Fate Under Snow
He said it in Engrish in the DEEN UBW movie. Why doesn't he do it in Engrish again? Suwabe did it in Engrish every fucking time.

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Because Shirou says it in Japanese in the original VN.

>Yet another thread unable to to not mention a superior anime while discussing their own
*yawn*

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In the visual novel he says it in japanese.

Isn't Fate Zero still F/SN's prequel?

I do this, I downloaded the shit, I wasted time getting to episode 2, or 3, or 4 , might as well finish it. Doing that right now actually, watching beatless, it's disappointing, will still finish it, some of FATE was like that too but I wanted to watch all of it. Maybe (you) should get that superiority complex checked out

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Yeah. People are just touchy about calling it that because of secondaries who think you should watch Zero before F/SN.