Should I watch kizumonogatari after bake or after owari?

Should I watch kizumonogatari after bake or after owari?

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Release order always

I watched it after nise and feel like it was a good place to watch it.

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if you're going for novel order do it after bake

Normally I'd say release order, but for monogatari I say you watch kizu after bake. It makes the legendary nise bathroom scene way more impactful.

didn't we have this discussion yesterday?
I recently finished Nise and I would heavily recomend watching kizu beforehand because of characters referencing events from that movie directly, also because it helps give context about Shinobu's relationship with Araragi

you can do whatever you want though, people are usually okay with both orders.

I want to watch it in novel order but I'm afraid that there are some details that would be referenced in kizu that I wouldn't get because it was made afterwards

In my opinion:
If you tried to watch it previously and didn't understand what was happening and dropped it due to lack of understanding, consider watching Kizu first into Bake and then go by release order.
It ruins a lot of the mystery of "I wonder what happened with these characters" but overall increases the watchability. It's a fair trade off imo since if you dropped it previously, you're likely to drop it again after the same scenario.

Otherwise if you're really dedicated, probably release order entire way through.

Watch it as a standalone because the series peaks at it and the rest is mediocre.

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after owari

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go air order for most mystery effect.

>watch release order first
>novel order second
that's the best way to experience monogatari

>referenced in kizu that I wouldn't get because it was made afterwards
Kizu is pretty stand alone in that sense, there are no references in Kizu to other monogatari parts.

Owari is bad i want to skip it.

If you didn't like the kino that was the classroom arc you might as well skip the show entirely. That shit is lost on you and you should be ashamed you wasted so much time watching it.

Better after bake. Otherwise the bath scene conversation in nisemonogatari would go to waste.

In fact perfect order would be
bake(1-12)->kizu->neko->bake(13-15)-nise

So you'd also know more about prez before her bake part

Funny, that's the exact arc which i've dropped 3 times in the last 2 years. I don't understand what anyone would find appealing about it.

where's that pic from?

I rewatch it monthly. The closest I came to dropping this show was hana and I didn't because I was already so invested. What isn't there to like about this arc? It could be a film in its own right and its dense with info that shed light into most arcs in the series. Plus even if the premise itself isn't exactly interesting, araragi's delivery of his thoughts on the situation is on par and almost always leaves me with goosebumps in some parts (especially the "righteousness is mass produced" quote)

Bake -> Kizu -> Nise -> Neko (Kuro) ->Second Season -> Hana -> Tsuki -> Owari -> Koyomi -> Owari S2 -> Zoku Owari -> Whatever SHAFT does next

After Bake there's nothing good, so you should stop in the first season.

You aren't meant to have that information at that point. It fucks with the themes and emotions. Never do this.

I wrote this but forgot to add the note: You can start with Kizu if you want but I don't recommend it. Nisio himself said it was a viable entry point (the novel at least) but it's definitely inferior to Bake->Kizu thematically. Waiting until Owari to watch Kizu is asinine - none of the "mystery" people talk about is designed or written as a mystery and you're just depriving yourself of context, making half of the arcs in the interim worse emotionally and thematically.

Listen to this.

Not doing Kizu after Bake is going to leave you with a buncha scenes just falling flat both in Nise and later on.
Anyone banging on about the 'mystery' just has buyer's remorse for their sour grapes and other mixed metaphors.

There are a lot of references from Kizu in other parts, but none that you wouldn't get by just inferring. An example is with Episode appearing in Second Season. You don't know who he is, but you can infer that he probably done some shit to Cat a while back.

Both. Second time some time will have passed and you'll enjoy it more.

You can also skin a buncha episodes while you're at it. Infer what happened in them from context clues and bask in the mystery. Come back to them later in a random order too. If you're gonna fuck with the author's intent might as well go all the way.

This.

First time I watched in emission order and Kizu had just been released. Now I'm watching it in chronological order and I'm enjoying it even more because I get what the fuck is going on.

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