Will we ever get a Mahou Shoujo as perfect as Cardcaptor Sakura again? I feel like I've experienced actual kino

Will we ever get a Mahou Shoujo as perfect as Cardcaptor Sakura again? I feel like I've experienced actual kino.

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>CLAMP
Oh Boy

It came out in 2011

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Madoka doesn't even come close to CCS

Was Madoka the last good Magical Girl? Do they have any good magical girls manga goin on?

Madoka makes this show look like donkey shit and I like CCS. I’m just able to take my nostalgia goggles off every once in a while.

You're right. It's far superior. Nice job getting that across, bro.

Tutu is superior

>contrarian
CCS is kino as fuck. Perfect anime ngl.

I started watching this last night. Why is it so good? Also I like that even little movements are fully animated, really adds to the enjoyment

They actually do.

It looks and sounds great, everything else about it is boring.

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I wish she would do that to my dick barefoot.

Corrector Yui > CCS

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>giving a fuck about popularity awards

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The music, story and art are better in Madoka though.

Should i read the manga for this or is the anime actually good

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Doremi was true kino.
This too was pretty good.

...she made ma a lolicon.

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I haven't seen much CCS yet but I don't think it can top Sailor Moon for me

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>Kajiura shit
>Urobuchi shit
>aokiume shit
>good

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All Pretty Cure seasons are better than CCS

It’s the greatest story ever told. Try watching it one day.

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The state of Madokafags. They can't have any opinions of their own anymore.

Sakura is perfect for shipping. Especially with teenage of college boys

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user. Like I said. I like Sakura but it’s too inconsistent with the pacing. It’s mostly monster of the week battles with cute girls. It’s the the female equivalent of DBZ. It’s fun and all but it’s nothing special. It’s not as good as you remember it being.

Tutu is a life changing experience, not a mahou shoujo.

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The one series that spawned many lolicons. Truly kino this series is

>Other people happen to have the same opinion as this guy. That must mean he's wrong.
I only see one dumb fag here and it's you.

>the greatest story ever told
>so shit that not even Urobuchi wants to touch it again

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Nope, Madoka was so trash and it only became worse with more material released for it.

Have anybody you know watch the first three episodes of each. See which one they decide to keep watching. It’s always going to be Madoka.

Umm.. try watching it?

>I will provide no evidence to suggest any of this is true.
Great job.

You posted the same thing a few days ago retard. Fuck off.

Will you ever watch it or are you just going to judge the anime on YouTube reviews and wiki pages for the rest of your life? I literally just want you to actually watch it.

Why would you want someone who's already biased to watch something? They're just going to spend the whole time looking for things to hate.

>Urobuchi keeps pumping out puppetshit every two years while Madoka only gets a shitty gacha adaptation
Nice dead franchise, faggot.

Why do some Madokafags think everyone who doesn't like Madoka hasn't seen it? I love Madoka; it's one of my favorite anime, but the fanbase is retarded.

I want to experience Sakura's tight vagina.

I originally watched Madoka wanting to hate it actually because it’s mentioned so much in Eva threads. Long story short it’s my favorite all time series now.

After dropping it, I tried to rewatch it recently and had to stop after episode 30. There's nothing about that's genuinely interesting and, more often than not, Sakura isn't even cute. Mei and Xiao and annoying little cunts, too. Show is barely animated and the lineart is extremely lackluster most of the time. So no, CCS is shit.

Chacha is funnier, Prillya is sexier, Flip Flappers, Heartcatch Precure and Tutu are better.

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Because common. If you’ve actually sat through the anime you’d know that there’s absolutely no way anybody finishes a show like Madoka and hates it. They’re either being hipsters on purpose or they haven’t watched the show and are mad that it gets compared to classics people deem to be untouchable because their nostalgia goggles are so thick.

Trying to use awards and public opinion as evidence is the most retarded shit ever. Way to twist words faggot.

The point is you can actually go into Madoka wanting to hate it with all your heart but if you actually sit through the anime you will like it regardless of how you want to feel about it.

Retard.

You won’t be thinking that when you watch it.

I already watched it, before CCS too. I even like it. You're just retarded.

While CCS is very good, it's Doremi that is a true masterpiece of mahou shoujo.

It’s easy to say you’ve watched it like most people do. It’s another to actually get your ass off 4ch and actually watch it.

Kill yourself.

They are equal in my opinion

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I watched about 5 episodes of Ojamajo Doremi hoping this was the case but didn't find it too compelling.

Does it get much better?

Not only is Madoka Magica unironically the best Mahou Shoujo in the world but it’s probably a top three candidate for best anime ever. Best Mahou Shoujo isn’t even a contest. I couldn’t think of any other anime I’d want to represent the genre without boring somebody to death.

>everyone who hates my shitty dead franchise hasn't watched it
>y-you'll love it if you watch it
Why are Madokafags so insecure about their seasonal show?

Bro it gets good after 70 episodes, I swear. Just trust me.

>kino
Fuck off.

>Greatest story ever told
>insecure

What other fanbase praises a show to the extent Madokafags do?

Your taste is just insufficient. You're too swayed by superfluous things like art and animation. That being said, it's the side character arcs that are the most interesting, and they don't start for a first couple of episodes.

This.

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>literal gachashit
>greatest story ever told

Evafags and VEGfags.

Urobuchi wrote Madoka with the perfect ending and wanted to close the book at that. Then Rebellion was meant to be an extra little story that would leave Homura with a proper happier ending, but Shinbo interfered and forced the ending to be altered to leave sequels open. Urobuchi believes that he already wrote Madoka in a perfect state and hasn't wanted to tarnish it, but Magia Record unfortunately exists and has been doing just that.

That’s a different story and the anime isn’t even out yet. I’ve always been interested in the other magical girls besides the two who saved them all in Madoka.

Fun fact: Anne Frank in that universe was a magical girl.
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Are you sure you're browsing this baord? LOGHfags, NGEfags, HxHfags, VEGfagss, Mobfags. Just to name a few.

CCS is overrated. Yes Sakura is cute as fuck but chink is annoying and main story is not even that good.

>HxHfags, VEGfagss, Mobfags
These are all the same people and not actual fans of the shows.

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>Is one of the most beloved and universally praised animation projects of all time actually good?

Welcome to every "fanbase" on Yea Forums?

I loved both

I mean it's literally the same people who shitpost specifically to get people to hate a show.

And you think the Madokafag in this thread isn't either a falseflagger or intentionally baiting people? He's way to upfront with the "Maybe watch it one day" responses. The guy who usually said that never resorted to it until he had written 10 pages on how great the show is.

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Yes, same as Madoka.

Madokafags and VEGfags are far more egregious than the other ones in my experience. The others don't usually insist you haven't seen their show.

I don't like Champloo but I don't see people sperging about it on here.

At least they aren't as ignorant as NGEfags. That's a plus in my book.

No. Not even the official sequel managed to reach the same level as the original.

Just treasure the experience you had cuz you'll never find something like that again. There are good Nahou Shoujo, some even more celebrated but none of those is CCS and they'll never be.

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It’s a contrast to Madoka and Eva. Eva would be more like Mugen because the show relies on tricks and flashy sequences and weird live shots towards the end of the show. It’s shocking in a way and gets people excited where as Madoka is like Gin in that it’s almost flawless in execution and storytelling. It’s probably the most complete TV anime series of all time.

Only if you're an edgefag.

This comparison was not made clear and you're autistic

Thanks.

I watched it once only, whilst it was airing. I was so hyped for what turned into a mostly dull slog. Had more fun with meduca meguca and pre-premiere/early threads than I did with the show itself.
Playing the mobage recently actually gave me a new respect for the setting, I'm kinda looking forward to the adaptation.
Either way Tutu and CCS are much better shows than Madoka.

Nanohafags think their franchise is the second coming of MahoShoujesus, but that's mostly because of the large /u/ overlap.

More thoughts on this? I've actually heard that sailor moon is a bit of a drag and doesn't square up at all.

Of course, Ill give it a shot eventually, but I need to know if eventually is now or after better classics like princess tutu

Fuck dude. If you like Madoka that much right now than imagine how much you’d like it if you weren’t pretending you’ve watched it to make a point?

Urobuchi ultimately agreed with the ending change and supports shinbo's suggestion but with rebellion the story is told and done and really doesn't need anymore.

What I like about Cardcaptor Sakura is the characters actually wear different clothing.

Stale troll is stale, stop replying to him.

SM has some really nice direction thanks to Ikuhara with a script writer to reign him in, but the actual plot is INCREDIBLY by the book monster of the week. You can't call it generic because it is kind of the progenitor for everything that came after, but if you have even a passing interest in maho shoujo then you might consider it somewhat formulaic at least. Your enjoyment will live and die on the characters, but they're pretty fun so it's fine. Just don't go in expecting a life-affirming series, expect dumb fun and enjoy it.

>I really like how this modern rifle shoots. It’s pretty accurate and seems like it could get the job done pretty well. That being said I think my good old trusty flintlock blunderbuss would serve me better for the war.

That said CCS and Tutu are better, even if CCS' last third can be draining and repetitive. Tutu is still my favourite from tthe genre.

I love Nanoha because it was the first proper action Mahiu Shoujo I've watched. I know Precure is older but I liked the shonen/mecha elements Nanoha integrated into the fanbase. Also it's rare as fuck that a Mahou Shoujo franchise follows the MC into her adult years. I loved that.

Btw, how cool a CCS x Nanoha crossover would be?

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>Also it's rare as fuck that a Mahou Shoujo franchise follows the MC into her adult years. I loved that.
A Nanoha fun that isn't a lolicon, huh. This website is truly full of weirdos.

What's it like to have a lolicon mom?

This very season.

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Nanoha not being afraid to move on with the characters' lives, advance things to adulthood, and have their flawed pasts directly affect how they act in the future and what they did during the timeskip was some wonderful shit. Great change of pace for anime in general, almost nothing is willing to do that, let alone a mahou shoujo series. Unfortunately Force wasn't received too well initially and we're kind of in an odd spot now as a result, but at least I can always love what is there for what it is.

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A shame that StrikerS is such garbage.

That's a pretty fair assessment.
I would like to add that the show really shines when it gets the chance to flex it's aesthetic. All the Moon Kingdom stuff and villain hangouts look so good.

Agreed. Nanoha may had it's flaws and fumbles but dared to go where no other mahou shoujo wants to go and it was awesome.

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I tried to watch Madoka but first half is boring as fuck and second half is so edgy I felt detached.

I find Madoka to be forgettable, I watched it and really liked it. I watched the 3rd movie and remember thinking about it for days after I enjoyed it so much. But years later and I hardly really think back to Madoka or want to even rewatch it, where as things like CCS I remember fondly and always feel like re-watching.

nope
people circlejerk about shitty butcher garbage and edgy
though those cucks haven't even seen a good darker show like brigadoon

Ojamajo Doremi >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CCS

Eh, Doremi is funny and really cute and colorfull but just doesn't feel as epic and developed as CCS.

Ojamajo Doremi >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Madoka

Madoka looks like Chuuni shit.
You could watch Madoka as if Homura is on mental health care and all her battle is just her ChuuniByou delusions.

Oh the irony.

>doesn't feel as epic and developed as CCS.

????? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Doremi begins as selfish kid and ends up as being a strong mother.

The character development is fucking HUGE.

>200 fucking episodes
>bros, look diz character changed! wowza! :DD

>art
We're talking about the series where people seriously argued that it's "animated badly on purpose to imitate other MS shows", right?

He doesn't remember that Madoka looked like complete shit while it aired and that Shaft fixed like half the show for the bluray release.

Maybe you’d like it more if you watched it instead of saying you did?

The first three episodes did it on purpose. It starts to set into the actual design after episode three when it stops pretending to be a typical magical girl series.

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Madoka is easily AOTD
Rebellion is a masterpiece

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Rebellion was derivative pandering.

Try watching it.

Maybe try watching it past the first half

Won't talk about Rebellion cuz I haven't watched it but I remember it to be quite polarizing even with Madoka fans. Just knowing about the plot (Homura de-gods Madoja because reasons) is enough to make me want to avoid it.

Spamming low quality bullshit until people tell you to fuck off isn't epic trolling.

xD

If you don’t like rebellion you probably misunderstood the garden scene.

Nanoha exists you know.
Even if Season 1 was pretty mediocre

Season 1 is quite mediocre indeed but it still has its charm. Specially towards the last third. It was one of the biggest mahou shoujo climatic fights of it's time for a reason.

Definitely, it had it's flaws but it was worth the watch. I can't deny A's is a huge improvement in general though.

That's not evidence retard.

Is the Madoka gacha any good? I mean is the gameplay entertaining?

It's a less snooze-inducing version of FGO, nothing too special. Doppels are both pretty stupid and really cool at the same time.

It has some really cute (and gay) girls

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S-She was?!

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>gacha
>gameplay

This is fairly true. After watching, I spent a lot more time than usual considering how a play for theatre or cinema might look.

all that matters are the cute girls

If you're willing to bend the definition a bit Utena is incredible. It only really uses a couple of magical girl tropes though, it isn't a pure expression of the genre.

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The edginess of Madoka is a disgrace. many of the issues the characters had could be solved by talking to each other and no acting like complete bitches. I really liked it when it aired. but the older I get the worst madoka gets. meanwhile Utena and CSS are still really good shows

Madoka ruined MS

Yes.
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Lol no.

The manga has cute art, but the anime has music, more cute clothes and more card capture stuff than the manga.

What's the best torrent to watch this show? There are so many options on nyaa and they're fucking massive. Also fuck madokafags

It's no mahou shoujo boy, no mahou shoujo.

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Ah, the bastard son of Madoka.

Doremi is way better on all levels of quality imaginable. Characters, designs, animation, direction, storytelling, consistency, thematic
and emotional handling etc. Princess Tutu is also ok.

Is there a lewder transformation than Kirika's stripper pole dance?

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This single Doremifag is very passionate.

Holy molly! That's lewd.

By applying common sense?

I know what you mean

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Are the other seasons of doremi any good? I noticed junichi satou didn’t direct them

youtube.com/watch?v=3W1E1Rqgfac

Doremi didn't turn me into a lolicon but CCS did, so nah.

Sakura is genuinely great, you don't need to be a nostalgiafag to appreciate it

TSUBASA HIROGE FUTARI DE

Where does sailor moon place in the mahou shoujo tierlist

UNISON SHITAI

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I have never heard of any Japanese animator, cartoonist and novelist who likes CCS.

There are so many Anime creators who like Sailor Moon and Precure.

Only fans of CCS feel that CCS is the best. Most people don’t feel anything about CCS. Now many people are forgetting CCS.

First

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CCS sucks, there's no real threat. Just her collecting cards. Doesn't even use the cards to save the world or anything.

Would they get along?

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新海誠：『天気の子』は東宝映画なんですけど、プリキュアは東映なんですよね。だから本当は超えることのできない垣根なんですけど、プリキュアは好きだからどうしても出したくて。なので東映の方に許可をいただいて、イベントで初代プリキュアのコスプレをしているという体で出てくるんですけど。あのコスプレイヤーの声が、実は花澤香菜さんなんですよね～

Makoto Shinkai : I very like Precure, but Weathering With You is Toho's movie, Precure is Toei's animation, this is a mountain that cannot be crossed. In order to let Precure appear in my movie, I try to get Toei's authorization and Toho's consent.

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Be honest with me Yea Forums:
My only exposure to Cardcaptor Sakura was watching the ENG dub on Teletoon as a child. (The ENG opening was fucking neato, btw: youtube.com/watch?v=4UE5GA1QB9I )

Will I like the Jap Dub/Sub? I've been lead to believe they made massive changes to it, but I'd still like to give it the ol' try for nostalgia's sake. I liked Chobbits if that helps.

life full of love and loving

sadly, no
ccs was absolute Karen

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From 1998 to 2018, CCS's Doujin had only 1,740 copies, CCS was not loved by doujin creators.

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By taking the fun out of an otherwise enjoyable franchise and making it dark and edgy. What followed was an era where everyone tried to recreate it. Same thing happened to mecha after Eva. The only pure MS series I can name off the top of my head is Yuki Yuna. Even then. And what you say is common sense is only present in a atmosphere of "bad thing happen to girls, girl responds naturally." Madoka is rife with stupid bullshit that would shit all over your common sense. And the problem with that is that after Mami, it presents itself as a dark fantasy meant to display how these teen girls experienced a fucked situation, yet turns into a wankfest of Homura's suffering.

meant for

No CCS

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No CCS

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Why the flying fuck is Jibanyan there?

No CCS

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_media_franchises

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In addition to 2CH's Lolicon, CCS will hardly enter any authoritative rankings.

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CCS sales are lower than Nanoha and Madoka

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The market size of CCS is even lower than that of Ojamajo Doremi in the same year.

Market size in 1999.4 - 2000.3

25.　Ojamajo Doremi　0.63％ 10.5 billion yen
33.　Cardcaptor Sakura　0.43％ 7.2 billion yen

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Jesus christ.

>giving a single fuck what normies think
>going by sales
>being this obsessed
(You)

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>monster of the week formula
bro...

Most people don't like CCS, which leads to a low sales volume of CCS.
Among the well-known magical girls, CCS's Doujin is the least.Even Doujin creators don't like CCS

None of that is unique to Madoka Magica. I'm going to guess you're not a big fan of magical girls.

Check out 'dark and edgy' magical girl shows that came out long before Madoka. I would suggest the following:

Shin Shiraiyuki Hime Densetsu Pretear
Saint October
Magical Girl Pretty Sammy
Cutey Honey
Kamikaze Kaitou Jeanne
Full Moon o Sagashite

Jeanne is perhaps the most dark as it involves rape, torture, betrayal, outright murder, and some pretty good plot twists. It also came out in 1998

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Damn the manga art is so good

Haven't seen this since I was a kid and rewatching this was an absolute grind to get though. Nostalgia goggles to the max

CCS even has the least Thread in Yea Forums, and the people involved in the discussion are also the least.

Prove that CCS is not as popular as everyone thinks

>thinks madoka is dark and edgy
cringe

Gen is a 'muh suffering' hack. I swear to god the only thing this man knows how to right is his characters suffering from their own retardation. Of course people think it's great, he's perfect at edgebait.

Well fuck me I can't even spell write.

Autismal thread. CCS and PMMM are both good and also, funnily enough, completely different shows in tone, intent and execution so trying to compare them in this fashion is pants on head fucking retarded. Never change Yea Forums

Yes, there is.

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Based!!

Yes.

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I dont know but i love Sakura and Usagi.

youtu.be/z1rpuHpSw6k
Yes!!

Just don't be as stupid as OP to promote CCS

Doing so will not make fans of other magical girls hate Fans of CCS and CCS.

Usagi meets Sakura when?

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CCS is for little girls retard

>Madoka wishes it was as good as Cardcaptor Sakura.

Haha hahahahahaha

Your shitshow got revived after 20 years look at yourself you laughing stock

Doesn't mean it's not well made.

But user, we're all little girls here.

Not me, i'm a big girl

For you.

I will filibuster this opinion.
First of all this studio SHAFT their animation is not going to point for this franchise or it's entries. It's handicap point that's rewarded to all series that get the privilege of being animated by SHAFT. Most will give SHAFT anime at least a 7 because of the animation. Which I won't though. Madoka had its moments of budget animation. Also typically it suffered from the mahou shoujo fight syndrome. All of the fights animated were ended by the typical beam weapon, sword slash or massive explosion that obliterates the monster of week. Which is also something that Madoka failed to escape. All the way up the to finale. Witches still were monsters of the week. But what about the witch of sayaka? Still a fucking monster of the week. Speaking of sayaka I have no sympathy for the little bitch. It's tragedy alright, yet we have been give no reason to feel anything for this girl. She's an outright cow that buckles under the slight amount of emotional pressure. Moving on Mami I feel much the same, this whore however manages to be worse. That snooty, let's walk through the witch labyrinth like it's a sunday stroll mindset. She was asking to be killed. Let's not declare this to be the twist of the century. All the grim moments shoved into this anime, people gathering together while chlorine is made. It sounds like something out of dark comedy skit, not a work of the century. Homura almost jumping off of a bridge, why should I care? She wore that cold girl attitude the entire show, it'd been nice if died then. At least we wouldn't have dealt with all the trash that declare Madoka the peak of magical girl anime. No though, instead we get a romance akin to Twilight. A flat Madoka is loved by an equally unlikeable Akemi. Do I have to keep on ragging on this or will you deflect more?

Watched Madoka, loved it, routinely recommend it to newfags irl at some point.
But it's still nothing compared to CCS. Each and every frame of CCS was unironically great.
Madoka was pretty good for what it was meant to be.
CCS is perfect kino for what it was meant to be.

Is Madoka anime original or is it based on a manga or novel/LN?

Learn to use google retard.

Fuck you stupid nigger

As a girl anime, in addition to the cute style, CCS has no advantages, the plot is very naive and boring, there is no attractive world view, and there is no excellent fight, which seriously limits the creation of Doujin.

All Doujin of CCS has only one style, it is very easy to aesthetic fatigue

Next level search engine users know it's actually a kamen rider adaptation.

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Is kamen rider anime original or based on a manga or novel/LN?

Lurk moar.

>Toeishit
The joke explains itself.

What is inflation?

Jeanne is an interesting example as it came out the same year and CCS yet it was the later the one who shaped the Mahou Shoujo genere for the next few years (every show tried to copy or parody CCS in the early 2000's, heck even Nanoha started as a bastard copy of CCS until it developed it's own identity).

On one hand, if you managed to suffer through the clusterfuck that was the murican localization you will be amazed at how much more there is to this series.
On the other hand, if you've actually liked that clusterfuck, then either you have a shit taste (and therefore you won't like the original) or you were so young that those mental gymnastics are pointless.
Either way, if you've only watched Cardcaptors then you haven't watched Cardcaptor Sakura. The changes go beyond the translation, they changed the fucking plot.

I think that's what makes it good. MS shows currently has lost the spark about what a MS should be. They're too focused on action, edgyness or both, MS shows touch dark themes sometimes, yes but always upholding the values and the power of the innocence of the MC. Madoka may not started the trend of edgy MS but sure as hell popularized it. I hope the fad dies down already. I miss MS shows like CCS and Doremi.

Why exactly is that bad? If you think popularity is a measure of quality then you're retarded. By that logic Michael Bay's movies are masterpieces of modern cinematography.

Funny it was the complete opposite for me. I wasn't too interested in CCS at first cuz on the surface it seemed like just another girl show. That lasted until I sat down and watched an episode. The arts style and animation immediately trapped me, the atmosphere made me feel both joyful and excited. The ending made me feel like a little kid again (I was 16 at the time). Then after watching the show from start to finish I got hooked on beyond belief and CCS turned into my favourite anime of all time (and still is). I'm a huge Nanoha, Doremi, Sailor Moon, Rayearth and Symphogear fan but none of those could replace the spot CCS have in my heart.

Cardcaptor Sakura came out in 1996 unless you're talking anime only in which case Jeanne came out in 1999

Actual kino coming through
That said CCS and Doremi are great too

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I was talking about the anime. Thanks for the clarification. Point remains in that most shows tried to copy CCS around the time (I remember Puni Puni Poemi was MS parody that heavily focused on CCS).

I've heard a lot about Princess Tutu being similar yet better than CCS I should motivate myself to watch it one day. How long is it?

Toei is a Japanese Disney, not necessarily the best, but it must be the most popular.More than 90% of Toei's adaptation animations are selling well, and cartoonists working with Toei have become very rich.

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As I said the joke explains itself.

Cyber Team was better
Suzume best girl

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I watched a couple episodes. Looked funny at the time but growing up I lost interest in Pokemon/Digimon like shit so maybe it won't appeal to me as much.

Its "similiar" in that its a whimsical magical girl show with lovable characters and great art direction, not sure what else is supposed to be similiar.
I haven't finished CCS yet but so far I prefer Tutu because of its uniqueness and the fact that the story is more concise, not much filler if any.
Pretty sure it had 25 or so episodes

>90's Madoka
Better than actual Madoka but not better than CCS. Great taste though. Suzume a best

Yea Forums CCS Thread, often no response to 50, CCS plot is very naive and boring, nothing to discuss

CCS Thread is all just to discuss how cute SAKURA is, which proves that the only advantage of CCS is cute. In addition to cute, CCS is a shit.

Don't worry, it's not your fault for having bad taste. Happens here every day.

Well CCS is a rare example of a cultural icon.

Also the reason for my clarification is it's possible for CCS to have influenced even Jeanne as there is a 2 year gap between the mangas and a 1 year gap between the anime and CCS was huge. It would be impossible for Tanemura to have written Jeanne without being aware of CCS.

Not the best doesn't mean bad

Or maybe it just isn't your cup of tea. CCS is a classic of the genre. No amount of edgy complains will change that.

Nah. Though comedic episodes were 10/10 and that it literally inspired Madoka CTiA was a pretty average 90's anime

Exactly. Dragon Ball is quite enjoyable but it sure isn't a masterpiece and the recent installments clearly took a dive in quality but the fandom is still strong so it sells.

>25 or so episodes
Good number for a quick watch. I should give it a chance. I doubt it gets to dethrone CCS in my heart due to time but I'm still curious about such a lauded show.

I also watched CCS in my elementary school. When I was a child, I felt that CCS was very boring and naive. I watched it again in adulthood. I still feel bored and childish. I still can't understand CCS fans who say CCS is so good.

>not much filler if any
First few episodes of the second half are SHIT

Maybe, but I remember the pacing to be good for the most part

I really don't think the quality of Yea Forums threads is a good way to measure the quality of a series

If CCS is not a shit
Come to CCS fans to say what advantages CCS has
CCS fans say CCS is very good, then what are the advantages of CCS?
Why is CCS sales so low? Why is CCS doujin so little? Even the Japanese authority rankings do not think CCS has influence.

Not to mention I don't post just to talk about how cute Sakura is but also to share how CCS makes me feel. For me watching it was an experience. A return to a more uplifting way to look at life. To reconnect with my inner 11 year old self who is still a kid but is exposed to new and exciting (yet a bit scary) emotions. Sakura's spell came just when I feel I needed it the most and stuck with me forever.

"No matter what happens, everything will be alright".

It is, but the start of the second half follows a monster of the week format of Mytho/Kraehe looking for people to sacrifice to the raven, Tutu stops him, repeat. The motw episodes during the first half were good because they had meaningful progression with how Mytho's heart shards were being returned, plus we learn about the characters + setting. But for the second half's equivalent we already know the latter, and since there's no progression it relies on how strong the episodic stories themselves are, and I thought they were significantly weaker than those in the first half. It picks back up at the episode with the ghost knight.

Not just Yea Forums
I have never seen a Japanese animator, cartoonist, novelist who likes CCS.
How do you think you should measure the merits of CCS?

>CCS fans say CCS is very good, then what are the advantages of CCS?
Well explained across the thread, don't be lazy.

>Why is CCS sales so low?
For the same reason toeshit sales are so high, sales aren't everything.

>Why is CCS doujin so little?
True CCS fans cherish it so much they don't dare to draw pervert stuff of the characters. I always avoided CCS lewd works and I still do.

>Even the Japanese authority rankings do not think CCS has influence
I don't know where are you looking. CCS was huge in Japan in it's time, Sakura herself won the SAIMOE two times in a row and remained a strong competitor ever since.

If you only look out for bad news that's all you going to find.

You're probably right. My memory isn't very good on those parts, and probably for good reason. That said in such a short show that probably accounts for 3 episodes at maximum

Do you really expect r*ddit normiecracy to have good taste? We're laughing at them not without reason. Just look at this thread, sales number damage control all around, like grasping at straws. This is kind of atttitude when your first mahou shoujo experience couldn't be explained without using compound sentence. My first chinese cartoon deep and good so yours must be bad, I don't have to watch it but that's must be the cause. If it was any good it would be on N*tflix, am I right? And 13 episodes? Perfect for my limited attention span.
Of all chinese cartoon fanbases Madoka's is far the worst; nothing but cringy tantrum, entitlement and ignorance; the very state of nu-Yea Forums.

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>Well explained across the thread, don't be lazy.
I haven't seen CCS from start to finish. There are other advantages besides being cute.

>For the same reason toeshit sales are so high, sales aren't everything.
Low sales volume means CCS is not popular

>True CCS fans cherish it so much they don't dare to draw pervert stuff of the characters. I always avoided CCS lewd works and I still do.
Doujin is not only R18, CCS is ordinary doujin or R18 doujin, the number is very small

>I don't know where are you looking. CCS was huge in Japan in it's time, Sakura herself won the SAIMOE two times in a row and remained a strong competitor ever since.
There is no CCS for the 100th Anniversary of Japanese Animation, and there is no CCS for the Tokyo Olympics 2020.CCS has not held a concert so far.Other magical girls have held concerts, only CCS has not

>If it was any good it would be on N*tflix, am I right?
Funny you mention that. I envy Spaniards because they just recently got CCS on Netflix.

>There are other advantages besides being cute
As said, don't be lazy.

>Low sales volume means CCS is not popular
How naive.

>Doujin is not only R18
But it makes the bigger numbers for doujins in general

>CCS is ordinary doujin or R18 doujin, the number is very small
Doujin wasn't as big in 1998.

>There is no CCS for the 100th Anniversary of Japanese Animation, and there is no CCS for the Tokyo Olympics 2020.
I saw the posters. Mostly Toei stuff so I'm not surprised.

>CCS has not held a concert so far.Other magical girls have held concerts, only CCS has not
CCS doesn't focus on idol stuff. It's songs are more mellow and pretty rather than concert stuff. Look at Nanoha, Symphogear or Sailor Moon for dancing stuff like that.

What I'm getting it is that your enjoyment of a show depends hugely on marketing. I hope that's not true, otherwise I feel sorry for you.

I liked CCS, but thought it dragged on for a bit too long. That it is a kids' show meant to be shown during kid hour on the telly every week is apparent at times, but towards the end when the mystery starts to unravel, it was really quite enjoyable. As for MS shows I've seen in recent years, I honestly think Prisma is a great one. It has drama and darker themes, but don't doesn't go into suffering porn territory and let love and friendship prevail in the end.

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I wanted to like Prisma Illya but the constant loli lewd made me uncomfortable. I hope a more innocent MS comes out in the future.

>As said, don't be lazy.
Explain that there is no advantage except for being cute

>How naive.
This is a cruel reality for CCS fans.

>But it makes the bigger numbers for doujins in general
Among the well-known magical girls, the number is still very small.

>Doujin wasn't as big in 1998.
Sailor moon is earlier than CCS.Doujin is three times that of CCS

>I saw the posters. Mostly Toei stuff so I'm not surprised.
This is an animation selected by the Japanese Olympic Committee.

>CCS doesn't focus on idol stuff. It's songs are more mellow and pretty rather than concert stuff. Look at Nanoha, Symphogear or Sailor Moon for dancing stuff like that.
Explain that CCS can't even get the number of fans who organize a concert.Holding an anime concert, the minimum size of a thousand people, CCS mobilization ability is not enough

>the constant loli lewd
Most of the lewd webms posted are from the OVAs, but there is some in the anime as well. It's too bad it turns people off what I consider to be a competent and heart-warming story.

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>Implying Chokudokan NEVER made it BIG

I watched that mess of a dub as a child back in 2002 or so, and all I can tell you that the original is leaps and bounds better. The dub was a goddamned disgrace.

>Explain that there is no advantage except for being cute
As said, it's in the thread. You're either lazy or a troll. I'm inclined to think it's the latter.

>This is an animation selected by the Japanese Olympic Committee
Which is all Toei stuff. If anything it means the committee are big Toei fans.

>Explained that CCS doesn't focus on concert stuff
>"Lel why CCS doesn't get concerts?"
Guess you're not really interested in explanations.

I'm sorry you don't have the taste to enjoy one of the great MS classics and refuse to understand why. You're really missing out. Nothing I can do about it.

Madoka Magica is the single best anime in the world.

Not even best MS.

I know there already is an uncut animax dub but its pretty bad too (its done by the same dipshits who dubbed the transformers anime's from the 80s and ALL Asian films from the 70s and onwards).

But what if the people who redubbed EVA did a redub of CCS

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It’s the greatest story ever told.

Prisma is probably second because it cuts the bullshit and lewds the girls which is why anybody watches this shows.

Several people have given more than enough talk about what they like about the show in this thread, fucking scroll up and read you dumb ESL.
And, once again for the 50th time, being popular does not necessarily imply being a good show. Having a lot of doujins doesn't mean the show is good, it means people want to jack off to the characters. Having lots of sales definitely doesn't imply the show is good, garbage shonen and family movies top the charts all the time. And if we're going by your standard of needing to show up in Olympics material to be considered "popular", then clearly Doraemon, Detective Conan, Madoka, Pokemon, Gundam, and several other series are all hot fucking shit then because I don't see them in Olympics promotional material. And "concerts"? Really? Do you want me to go through your big list of highest grossing anime and point out every one that's never had a concert?
It seems like you judge whether something is good or not in any other way other than just watching the fucking show.

Why can you retards only process few words at a time LOL

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Fortunately it wasn't my case. The LatAm dub of CCS is a fucking legend. One of the best spic dubs ever made, I feel in love with all the cast but specially with Cristina Hernandez (Sakura's VA), the voices felt genuine and the dub sticks closely to the original plot and intentions. If I can think of a single flaw is that some famous quirks got lost in translation like Sakura's "hoe?" but other than that it's a near perfect work.

I want to fuck all Doremi girls

It's not really that good. I got halfway into the series and its still nothing but monster of the week. It got stale and I ended up dropping it.

>As said, it's in the thread. You're either lazy or a troll. I'm inclined to think it's the latter.
Please tell us the advantages of CCS in addition to cuteness.

>Which is all Toei stuff. If anything it means the committee are big Toei fans.
Naruto , Yo-kai Watch , Astro Boy , Crayon Shin-chan . These four animations are not part of Toei. Why do you think that Toei's animation was chosen, so there is no reference value?

Toei only makes three animations a year, but it is the most profitable among all animation studios in Japan. If Toei's animation is unpopular, Toei has already closed down. How can it pay the monthly salary of 700 employees?

>Guess you're not really interested in explanations.
Do you think it is easy to hold a concert for anime? It is easy to mobilize thousands of fans to participate in concerts on the same day and at the same location?

Nanoha is so popular, it took more than ten years to have enough popularity and stable fans to dare to hold a commemorative concert.

The popularity of CCS is already very low, and fans are simply unstable. They dare not hold concerts because they know that they will lose money.

Yeah, but its partially lost now.

The old Cloverway masters were digitalized by a chilenian company but they can't used them, and even then the masters already had deterioration, heck in mexico fucking Televisa destroyed all that material because DUBBING IS JUST BUSINESS!, fuck most retro anime aired on public TV over the last few years the dubs were stolen from the web, sometimes from YouTube!.

I know what you want to say, CCS has nothing, because of this, CCS must be the best animation.

As I said. I'm sorry you think that way. You're way too obsessed over concerts it seems.

>Why is CCS sales so low?
Can you cite the data compared to other mahou shoujo of its time?

>Why is CCS doujin so little?
CCS (1998) got plenty of doujins for its time. The 2018 version didn't have the lolicon appeal and therefore got little doujins.

I know. The Latin American dub industry isn't what once was. I'm happy to have the entire show dubbed on DVD (unofficial, sadly as there were never an official release with the original dub).

My only solace is that there's currently an effort to reunite the original LatAm cast to dub the Clear Card anime.

>I feel like I've experienced actual kino.
Her surname is Kinomoto, which translates into "the source of all kino." Though the surname will change into Li in the future.

How do I get into magical girls?

>lolicon appeal (Sakura)
>het appeal (Sakura x Syaoran)
>yaoi appeal (Tomoya x Yukito)
>yuri appeal (Sakura x Tomoyo)
>literal pedophile appeal (Rika)
Yep, it was pure kino for the sheer amount of appeals it had.

>Can you cite the data compared to other mahou shoujo of its time?

This is the market size and already includes sales of all goods.

2000年　市場規模　1兆6800億円

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01位　ハローキティ　17.05％
02位　ポケットモンスター　16.68％
03位　ミッキーマウス　6.33％
04位　くまのプーさん　4.59％
05位　ドラえもん　4.01％
06位　スヌーピー　3.88％
07位　たれぱんだ　3.16％
08位　アンパンマン　2.17％
09位　ミッフィー　1.79％
10位　ウォレス＆グルミット　1.50％
11位　デジモン　1.44％
12位　ドナルドダック　1.40％
13位　ピングー　1.26％
14位　遊戯王　1.05％
15位　ウルトラマン　0.96％
16位　救急戦隊ゴーゴーファイブ　0.94％
17位　ポムポムプリン　0.88％
18位　ミニーマウス　0.82％
19位　機動戦士ガンダム　0.77％
19位　ファービー　0.77％
21位　きかんしゃトーマスとなかまたち　0.74％
22位　ディズニーベビー　0.71％
23位　スーパーマリオブラザーズ　0.66％
24位　ウルトラマンガイア　0.65％
>25位　おジャ魔女どれみ　0.63％
26位　マイメロディ　0.58％
27位　セサミストリート　0.57％
28位　スターウォーズ　0.54％
29位　となりのトトロ　0.53％
30位　ペコちゃん　0.51％
31位　ピーターラビット　0.45％
31位　ポストペット　0.45％
33位　おじゃる丸　0.43％
>33位　カードキャプターさくら　0.43％

>CCS (1998) got plenty of doujins for its time. The 2018 version didn't have the lolicon appeal and therefore got little doujins.
1. Nanoha 8,303
2. Precure 8,103
3. Madoka 6,407
4. Sailor Moon 4,717
5. CCS 1,740

Why in the era when doujins is not yet popular, Sailor Moon's doujins so much?

Syaoran has the most relatable crush on a girl in anime history. I really felt identified with his desperation, stuttery, etc...

Realistically Madoka is a much better series than CCS although I like both.

How does a 12 episode series manage to compete with shows like Nanoha and Precure? Really makes you think.

The limitations of Madoka's worldview, Madoka's worldview does not have the scalability of Nanoha and Precure
Just like EVA is limited by the world view, it cannot be turned into a series like GUNDAM.

If Madoka becomes a series, Madoka loses its original style and its popularity may be affected.

I like it as a short series.

This is weird. CCS and Madoka are complete polar opposites. I can't imagine someone liking them both but I guess such people does exists.

I like all kinds of anime but short series are my thing. As far as sol goes I'd still enjoy something like Magus Bride more than CCS but I’ve seen CCS and it’s a good background anime to have on like Inuyasha.

>Likes 12 episode anime
>CCS as background noise
What is happening to humanity. Fucking meteor when?

>I only like one sort of thing

Prillya is much better than madoshit and cardshit

Edgelords are usually like that.

Too lewd, it ruins the show.

It's called a passion project and it comes whenever it comes.
It will happen again when a bunch of very talented people with a lot of passion for the story would make a magical girl anime.
although, technically speaking, this already happened, after all, we cannot forget the magical girl show that is kill la kill

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If your'e gonna pin 2 shows against one another pull a screenshot or official art.
If you really are that unconfident in it that you'd use a fanart with a style shift then you should probably not pin it against it in the first place.

KLK is also great and memorable but it evokes different feelings and atmosphere than CCS. I don't like to compare those two.

Can now summarize

The most profitable magical girl: 1、Sailor Moon, 2、Pretty Cure, 3、Modoka, 4、Doremi, 5、Nanoha, 6、Sakura

The most influential magical girl: 1、Sailor Moon, 2、Pretty Cure, 3、Madoka. 4、Nanoha, 5、Doremi, 6、Sakura

Magical Girl with the most fans: 1、Sailor Moon, 2、Pretty Cure, 3、Madoka, 4、Nanoha. 5、Sakura, 6、Doremi

Doujin creator's favorite magical girl: 1、Nanoha, 2、Pretty Cure, 3、Madoka, 4、Sailor Moon, 5、Sakura, 6、Doremi

Magic girl with the highest TV ratings: 1、Sailor Moon, 2、Pretty Cure, 3、Doremi, 4、Madoka, 5、Nanoha 6、Sakura

The magic girl with the highest movie box office income: 1、Pretty Cure, 2、Sailor Moon, 3、Madoka, 4、Nanoha, 5、Sakura

Magician girl holding the most concerts: 1、Sailor Moon, 2、Pretty Cure, 3、Nanoha

Taken together, Sailor Moon is the best magical girl.

In terms of popularity and influence I agree. Sailor Moon is unbeatable as is the Dragon Ball of Mahou Shoujo. There are better shows out there but Sailor Moon had icon status and is the first thing most people think about when hearing about magical girls.

No

I agree, though a passion project, a magical girl show, and the same feel altogether is a real high ask.
I'd like something at least with the same passion and feel one day. that would be nice.

Because their directions are different? For CCS the important (most positve) thing is Sakura is blessed by living in a world full of love and they love Sakura for what she is. Madoka is a different take on mahou shoujo and managed to become successful. They are different and people can like different things ya idiot.

Different people like different things. I can't see someone getting and enjoying CCS having the taste to digest something as negative, edgy and bleak as Madoka. That show is more for people that loves suffering.

>judging a work of art based on monetary gains and popularity
kindly leave

Madoka is not really as edgy and bleak as it's memed up to be, the edgiest thing that really happens is the headchomp in Episode 3. Madoka's message is one of hope, the story ends with Madoka becoming the literal living concept of hope, and Homura's hope and her love for Madoka are the driving forces of the climax.

And then they give the middle finger to said message in Rebellion. Madoka's efforts were in vain.

Ai yo

Or maybe you want something happy one day and something bleak the next. It can't be that odd of a concept, just look at something like the Patlabor franchise.

Or Gundam. One show is very light hearted adventure, the next is all about the terror of war and the psychological toll on the people that fight.

Must be nice to be Homura and just relax while the plot fellates you.

Ranked the most in the selection of excellent paintings: 1, Madoka, 2, Pretty Cure

The magical girl who won the most honors: 1, Madoka, 2, Sailor Moon 3, Pretty Cure

Although I also want to help CCS say good things, CCS has not been selected by any ranking, and has not won any honors.

I don't know what CCS is compared to other magical girls. What are the advantages of CCS?

Wrong. Homura's actions were never portrayed as a good thing.

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>What are the advantages of CCS?
Offering something more meaningful than numbers for starters.

Have you not seen it?
CCS is one of the best looking TV anime ever.

And that's where the bleakness kicks in. Madokafags love to see the world burn.

Madoka is not THAT bleak dude.
And liking both positive/negative things is possible. This is NOT mathematic. You can like many things in the grey area. Duality is a thing.

Rebellion is a good ending for literally everyone but Homura (and Kyubey lol)

Put your deepfag hats on for a moment Yea Forums,

What does sakura bouncing off of the petal in OPs pic symbolize?

What about Madoka? Having godhod ripped out if you kinda sucks.

I have watched it since the elementary school, and I watched it again in adulthood. Until now, I feel that CCS is very boring.

Such a great animation has not won any awards and honors, this is a very magical thing.

She's light as a feather.

>I have watched it since the elementary school, and I watched it again in adulthood. Until now, I feel that CCS is very boring
You're dead inside. We've been over that.

The petal is a sakura petal. So she is really bouncing of her self.

The reason why Homura ripped Madoka from the Law of Cycles was because she realized that Madoka was suffering. Madoka gave up a happy, peaceful life in order to become a concept, and even though she chose to do so knowing that it meant an eternity of isolation, it didn't meant that she wasn't suffering.

Now Madoka can have her life back and the LoC will still be active.

Foreshadowing her ability to fly. That means this is a magical girl show. It also "show, don't tell" the MC name is Sakura. And then we can look at her cute outfit.

Entering puberty and becoming fit to breed

CCS I agree is the perfect mahou shoujo. And there are tons of other 9/10 series like Madoka.
However Nanoha will always have the most HEART.

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This point of view is nonsense. Do you only watch one type of show?

Was it that good ? I can at least recall some details from Sailor Moon but literally can't recall a solitary thing about this.

>tfw the only mahou shoujo I've enjoyed are Madoka and Princess Tutu
Those are two of my favorite anime of all time but when it comes to CCS I can't keep interested long enough to finish it.

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>However Nanoha will always have the most HEART
Until the movies, that is. They're pretty but feel way too manufactured unlike the show.

I remember everything. All the cards, all the characters, all episode titles, order of capture, Tomoyo's outfits. Everything.

I agree.
Except for Detonation. They ignored Fate and the knights way too much, it but that ending is gold.

Eh, it was okay but I'm bummed about the materials.

Fucking cats. Why cats?

CCS was a great series but YuYuYu is in the running for my favorite.

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Prisma Illya was as fun as CCS, but a bit spicier. At least until Chloe shows up and ruins the anime.

CCS never needed spice. It was perfect as it was.

Reminder that Sakura is a shotacon.
I guess they figured their backstory from the game wouldn't make sense in the context of the movie.

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And that's why it was a bad idea to adapt it in first place.

What else is there to base a work of art on?

Literally curious what your answer will be.

Watched it on dub like 10 times already, love this show, op is based and clownpilled

I've also watched it like 10 times. CCS is just that good. Love the subtleness you start noticing during rewatch.

80 episodes of animation have been seen ten times?
I think even the most fanatical LOVE LIVE fans and THE iDOLM@STER fans can't do it.
Lying is not a good thing

You're arguing with a group of people who only know Japanese anime from what gets translated. CCS played on national Television in the United States and Canada. Precure, Madoka, Nanoha, and Doremi did not. Only Sailor Moon had the same wide distribution as CCS in the west so for many it's the quintessential example of a magical girl series. These are people completely ignorant of magical girl series like Saint October, Fushigiboshi no Futagohime, Sugar Sugar Rune, Ask Dr Rin, Full Moon o Sagashite, or Mermaid Melody Pichi Pichi Pitch. They wouldn't know what's influential if it hit them in the face.

Even truly influential magical girl series like Creamy Mami and Fancy Lala are beyond them. So these people you're arguing with have an unnatural perception of its influence based on their filter.

Mermaid Melody Pichi Pichi Pitch for great justice. youtube.com/watch?v=LUThx7YVwOM

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Not lying. First time I watched it was in highschool when I recorded the entire series in VHS day-by-day, then spend weekends re-recording it to another VHS to cut out commercials. Then I researched my completed work several times. Years later I got the series remastered in DVD and re-watched it another bunch of times. So yeah I pretty much watched the entire show around 10 times.

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You are definitely underestimating fanatics.

Low grade bait. I've watched Kiki's Delivery Service, the Sailor Moon films, and the entire Tenchi OVA series in the hundreds.

Tfw you love all CCS, Doremi and Madoka (though the last one the most)

Just never could get into Sailor Moon or Precure. For some reason the reused scenes there bother me way more than Doremi ever did. Also aside from some good aesthetics or animation they don't do much for me.

True. It's in a league of it's own.

Even tho I live on a shithole, I've had access to internet and cable TV my whole life, I watched just on Cartoon Network at least twice when I was a little kid.

Oh my god I think I made this image. I was upset at the fact that Lucia didn't have hair and eyes that matched her color like all the other mermaids so I colorized this image way back in the early 2000s and shared it with friends on Animenation.

Lucia does not have pink hair and eyes. This is even the image uploaded to the boorus
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I admit I got into Sailor Moon because I'm a big Tokufag and Sailor Moon was basically Super Sentai with skirts. It had everything, monster of the week, main villain with underlings, episodic nature, comedy, seasonal upgrades. The only thing missing were mechs fighting giant monsters.

>Doremi
I remember seeing it on TV around the same time as shit like Tokyo Mew Mew and One Piece. Dunno how popular it was.

The merit of the work itself: The enjoyability of the ride, the quality of the visuals, the feel of the story, and how everything works together to create an enjoyable piece.

Merit sadly does not equate successful.
Naruto got more eyes and more money than angel's egg ever did, if you on those metrics gonna call naruto better than angel's egg you are insane.

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Precure is similar to Naruto, and occasionally there are very good battle scenes, and the plot is also very ups and downs. It is the highest masterpiece among children's animations.

I remember when Shugo Chara was the biggest thing ever. Whatever happened to it?

Based on who's opinion? Yours?

It's better than yours, that's for sure.

Oh hey I learned something. That's pretty cool.

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Okay, you're not understanding the problem. A critically acclaimed film, tv show, anime, book, music, or other piece of art will be popular among critics making your example far too narrow. Nobody but you is arguing that Naruto is equal to Angel's Egg but both are going to be popular among varying groups.

Naruto is popular among children and perhaps newcomers to anime. Angel's egg will be popular among art critics and long time fans of anime. Both are popular. Both have their success and influence. Saying popularity and monetary gains can't be used to judge a work of art is ludicrous.

I have a degree in literature so bear with me as I step into art criticism I'm more familiar with. Moby Dick was a critical failure in its time. It still became popular among book critics. It has lasting influence and continued popularity among writers and literati to this day. Uncle Tom's Cabin wasn't as well written. It was popular among the people and outsold Moby Dick hundreds of times over.

It also started the Civil War. Pretending it's not influential is madness. Pretending it's not good is equally stupid. Being more accessible to the masses does not mean something is terrible. Being an entry level anime has its purpose, fulfills its role, and earns tons of cash. It is literally the definition of 'great'. Just because it's childish, entry level, and easily accessible does not change this fact. You don't have to be its target audience or even enjoy it to recognize this, surely and it will remain influential for decades to come. Angel's Egg, if it is remembered by anyone, will only be remembered by its most avid critics, will probably be forgotten, and will likely influence nothing unless it becomes popular enough among artists to be remembered. Unless this happens it's only value is to yourself, and who are you?

My favorite anime include Tenchi Muyo, Chobits, and Escaflowne but what's great for me is nowhere near perfect. Because who am I?

>what's great for me is nowhere near perfect. Because who am I?
A faggot

I liked Madoka better.

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Either there is objective quality or there is not. If there is then it is possible for everyone to be wrong about that quality and popularity is irrelevant. If there is no objective quality then there is no reason to treat one subjective evaluation as more valuable than another just because more people hold one than another, both are still equally correct, so popularity doesn't matter.

My brother.

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I’ll probably get shit for this but magical girl shows are mostly about cute girls doing cute things and action. The stories can sometimes be a little better than normal but most of the time they play out like a cute DBZ. I think Madoka stands out as the story is what’s focused on more so than anything else.

same with the world building.

May I ask why the fuck are anons using number of doujins as a metric of quality and popularity, especially for a heartwarming series like this?

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They think porn is everything.

Because the story itself isn’t really anything to write home about. Sakura being cute is why we watch this.

It's why you watch it. I watch it because I get a wholesome feeling and relate to the characters. Also think the card magic is co

>*cool.

I'm Based on the literal merit of the art
Believe it or not, contrary to what the hippies in the west has been saying to excuse their trash art there are established values and measurements to art that you can use to determine if it is good or bad.
Artistic merits are opinion free.