Is it ethical to create a primitive kingdom?

>It would be entirely ethical to only revive specific people because you aren't changing the fate of those that remain petrified in any way.
So let's say you happen upon a car crash. There's a person lying on the ground and bleeding out. You are trained in first aid and could stop his bleeding and save his life.
Would it be ethical for to go "Nah mate, I'm not changing your fate in any way" and watch him bleed to death?
If you have the means to act, choosing inaction is in itself a choice.

Senkuu is a hopeless idealist who will lead humanity to ruin via hubris.
Tsukasa is baste and Ted-pilled.

>but muh Hyouga
Hyouga would never have gotten the chance to stage a coup if Gen didn't get several notable members to desert Tsukasa and Senkuu didn't decimate Tsukasa's forces with steel weapons, an armored vehicle, explosives, and chemical weapons.

When you put it that way that makes sense. You don't get civilization if you only revive teenagers because they're mostly dumb

I don't believe that humans that live today, surrounded by civilization, are evolved for it in any particular way. The changes to a species biology happen on a much longer timescale compared to the time civilization existed. What's been happening is the same old "modern human" that existed ever since the cultural explosion simply pushing the boundaries of what's viable under the relaxed selection that's we've been arranging for ourselves ever since. Examined in this way, it's still the same species, being slowly and painfully warped. If those petrified humans could be persuaded to embrace the primitivist ideal, no transformative pressure would be needed to bring them into compliance with the same niche that was occupied by the prehistoric man.

Also what I'm talking about doesn't concern artificial versus natural pressure - only whether the pressure simply maintains the species in its current niche or results in a transformed species that is fitted to a significantly different one.

>since complete removal of selective pressure would mean that there are no downside to being a retard or a downie other than any immanent faults you might be willing to (arbitrarily) assign.
This is a self-negating argument. The road do a world without selective pressures is paved with technologies that would make the existence of retards unlikely. The most likely candidates being genetic engineering and neural interfacing. A society of retards technologically advanced enough to eliminate selective pressures is only possible through a deus ex machina.

We're told the turning point was agriculture, so at least several thousand years.

>Is it ethical to create a primitive kingdom?
Yes but don't be surprised when your kingdom gets btfo by another kingdom that has guns and isn't retarded like you.

The niche can be defined as anything.
Is the niche to live as hunter gatherers or to build big buildings and make science?
Hunter gathers the population stays stable, under civilization it grows exponentially and changes the planet too.
The memories that people have of the previous world can make them more suited to the previous world and not the primitive one. This is only connected to the memories though. The memories make the difference of if they want to create civilization or not.

Not if you can kill every scientist in the world and destroy all the adult statues like tsukasa wants to do. Depends on how long he can keep it up though. He'd have to make a religion that forbids technology

Well, suppose this world is achieved, what stops retards from emerging afterwards, when the pressure was relaxed? If you say culling or reproductive screening, then it's no longer a world with no selective pressure.

Besides what I mean is not whether such world is achievable or not, but whether it's desirable, and whether it's ethical to steer humanity in that direction.

His kingdom will fall down anyway after he dies.

Curiosity and inventiveness is also a human nature. They will do science and eventually reach the same technological level. Primitivism is a Sisyphean task. There is no resting point for the human civilization, the only way is further expansion into the unknown. Pessimistic arguments can be made for the future and human potential but they are just arguments, while the repetition of the same path is 100% assured.

An example: You may restart a running course from the starting line if you feel like you've not ran fast enough or not advanced far enough, but you will never stand still, you'll still keep running, and running on the same course until you finish. You may not know when you'll finish or how, and you can have all sorts of hopeless imaginations about the path and your purpose, but you'll be running all the same. Might as well just go.

*die of tuberculosis*
yeah... totally worth it

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if he shuns all technological advancement, that makes him an anti-vaxxer.

so no, not very ethical or smart.

Tsukasa's plan would've failed eventually. You cannot keep a centralized government functioning with primitivism and eventually someone would slip away from him, revive people (if they got the formula) or splinter off and make a scientific civilization.
That's just how humanity is.

Yeah, that's why I invoked the trolley problem. You could tell that I subscribe to school of thought that considers it ethical to go "nah mate". If I didn't, I wouldn't be sitting here shitposting and instead would be running around looking for people to perform first aid on, seeing as there are untold thousands of them bleeding out in relative vicinity of us even as we post. You on the other hand is a monster, according to your own beliefs.

Even if you killed every scientist in the world, what's going to stop people from stumbling across old world technology and using it?

Well probably a religion that all tech is bad.

And people will eventually deviate from it out of necessity, which is how it's always been.

How do you spread your religious doctrine without the printing press to make books? At some point society gets too big to be subdued unless everyone has their own personal copy of religious texts.

> you killed every scientist in the world
I doubt it's possible to leave japan with his primitive technologies. Either they will adopt some tech or (if he will success) became japan abo for people from other continents.

There are ways to make it work theoretically, by imposing a deus ex machina that would keep the progress in check. It would be consistent with stabilizing pressure as well. Even if you're right and there's no resting point, we might still find it desirable to set some limits. To borrow your analogy, it would a question of whether it's ethical to change the course continuously if we believe that it would lead to the runner falling off a cliff otherwise.

>Is Communism ethical?
No, no it isn't.

It's hard to deal with these issues but the question is, is it the right thing to do?

>Is it ethical to create a primitive kingdom?
4 people alive, one of them want and can re-invent the gun to shoot you
He had no chance from the start.

>is it ethical
It is impossible. Science is a real life superpower.

Hyouga is better that commie.

wtf I saw this thread on /his/

Commie? What
What

>humanity is a god
I'm always flattered to argue with a fanatic, but maybe you should reserve statements like this for after your god had dealt with fossil fuel running out - something that he's been systematically cornering himself into.

No the species is sometimes fine with no progress.

Yeah I realize that sentence was a bit too much. I actually only wrote it down while I was brainstorming the post. I thought that I had deleted it before hitting enter. I won't delete the whole post now just becasue of it. Just... pretend it's not there.

Tsukasa is perfect.

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>the species
Species have no unified will. Certain individuals are fine with no progress and it never matters becasue someone else will be progressing in the meantime.

sooo how many times do you think Senku would fold steel to make a katana? 2, 4, 6 billion times?

In a survival situation it is perfectly reasonable to be selective about who you revive, prioritizing people you believe are skilled and trustworthy.

The Tsukasa empire model simply doesn't work because the whole thing is hold together by his strenght alone. Once he dies, everything would shit itself and humanity would be gone for good. Senkuu "wants" to revive everyone, but even he knows that this is not possible for him alone. 7 billion people. This is something that would take decades or even centuries to get done. Beeing realistic here, Senkuu can create a good foundation for the civilization, but not much more than that.

And in order to keep it from being the same, it would take law/military force to keep some greedy bastard from saying "it's all mine" and backing it up with violence with a group of like minded people. Tsukasa is a naive idealist and would only become the same thing he hates. But he's too young and stupid to realize it.

I don't read this, is there a bad guy who did the mass petrification?

Should I read the manga? The last two times I did this it was with with Erased and Promised Neverland and those went to shit.

>minami yelling about rent from her harem nest
Cute.

10 billion times

You under estimate the snowball effect. Senkuu can get manpower and eventually automation which will enable him to manage to undo it for 7 billion people

Was it ethical to attempt to kill Kohaku like he did last episode?
She did attack him first, and Senku did save her, but as far as he knew, she was an innocent, untainted native still stuck under that tree.

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The only thing that we know is that the petrification explosion come from South America.

Maybe he wanted to come back for her. If he does, he’ll see that tech was used to lift the tree. It’s not realistic how strong he is though.

How are you posting here as a primitivist?

Then it's simple. This is shonen so there'll be a bad guy who did it and the reveal will be when the show jumps the shark. There is also a mcguffin that undoes all 7 billion people with the push of a proverbial button.

It's unethical to want to go back to an industrialized world.

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And then everyone starve to death. Beautiful ending for this manga

Innocent or not she wasn't going to stop trying to kill him until he stopped her.

When will senkuu meet his match?

What’s the alternative to industry?
The best I can think of is minimal controlled industry, which expands inwards not outwards like the Nordic model but more sustainable than that because the nords still consume but that’s still industry.

Society can't get too big if you're a hunter gatherer society. Famine will cull the numbers.

So you're telling me Tsukasa didn't rape this? What a faggot.

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>Anprim is communism
You're aware the Tedpill is a radical right fringe ideology, right?

Yes. the arts and sciences only corrupt the moral foundation of societies and distract honourable citizens from their duties and morals. The hardy husbandsman who tends to his farm in blissful simplicity is worth a hundred scientist, artists, and men of letters. The greatest evil done by the human race was not the first act of murder, but the act of drawing a line in the dirt and claiming everything within it as ones own: it was the first act of Property that was his original sin. From this act immeasurable evils have sprung, which dragged mankind from his innocence in the state of nature to his corrupt and vile state today. It is only in context of mine and thine that the vices of comparison arise: Greed, Lust, Envy, Pride, all are not intrinsic to mans nature, but what society has made of man. Tsukasa represents mankind in his noble simplicity, strong and virile, living off the land as a solitary nomad. You cannot turn a corrupted man back into a noble savage, so only those who are shielded from the invidious comparison of modern society can be saved. That is, only children. A return to the stone world is an opportunity for mankind to close pandora's box, but all that is threatened by Senku.
In short, he is completely justified.

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I’d call it anarchist ideology but yeah it can be right wing when it’s muh tribe and shit

It's not even established that there was malice involved considering it's regenerative properties. It could have been a.medical breakthrough someone sabotaged maybe?

>strongest primate highschooler spooked by local village gorilla

>Society can't get too big if you're a hunter gatherer society.
I did, literally everywhere, even continent apart. See: Planet Earth.

If you're a hunter-gatherer society then people will leave your tribe to go find other sources of game and food, in which case you have zero control over what they decide to once they've left. This means that some of the tribe will inevitably split off, figure out this primitivism thing is retarded, develop agriculture, then come back and fuck your tribe with their bigger population and more advanced weaponry.

>What’s the alternative to industry?
A.I. controlled industry with a mandate to optimize production with minimal damage to environment.

I just realised that I’ve studied enough stuff to actually contribute to bringing back some civilisation, I’d get culled

To make computers and AI you need more processing power than we’ve even got. What do you suggest to Tsukasa to do? He would rather not go down the industry route and destroy the earth again

He's constantly drowning in pussy, he doesn't need to rape anyone.

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Until 1800, there was less than 1 million people in the whole planet.

You mean 1 billion right?
Because there were a lot of people in India and China even in 1800 Europe was also full. So was South America. They had 100 million or so

He’s already lived life so why is he so ambitious

>working from age 12 to 18 just to make enough money to keep your sister alive, not even to have any hope of curing her
He's good at what he does but I wouldn't consider it living a life he wanted.

>Muh primitive communism myth
He wasn't a survival of fittest guy either.

Failing to see your point. The 19th century wasn't a hunter gatherer society, and also that number is far bigger than a hunter gatherer society. I looks like you are defaulting back to discussion about the industrial revolution without addressing how hunter-gatherer societies failed and died out literal thousand of years before that date, so they aren't stopping anything.

Yeah, you're right, sorry about that. But the world wasn't hunting as the main way to sustain people anymore, so we're talking about a lot of farmers here

The moment you try and keep science to yourself or science from flourishing by silencing the scientists, you are basically carrying out this type of primitivism and trying to stifle civilisation

Being against artificial selection and modern amenities that allow untermensch to thrive makes you intrinsically an adherent of natural law.

This. All the pyramid-building people were incredibly secretive about their science and all they achieved is we need archeologists to figure out who they even fucking were. They disappeared without a trace. Meanwhile China was one of the first civilizations and is still around.

Tsukasa is always used as the example here, but Treasure Island will be his idea actually put into practice over centuries.

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>Being against artificial selection
He isn't against artificial selection. He is just an idealist.
>allow untermensch to thrive makes you intrinsically an adherent of natural law.
Communists think that they are the natural order. Communism is anti-civilization and anti-intellectual.

>Communists think that they are the natural order.
Name one.
Adherence with natural law is fascist.

Belief in natural law is fascist. Control-freak humans have "laws". Nature has tendencies. Even the speed of light fluctuates.

More like Lamest Highschooler Virgin.

I think communism is everything you don't like :)

Disappointing arc. I get show, don't tell, but I feel like we've already surpassed this moral dilemma.

>Communists think that they are the natural order.
>Name one.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primitive_communism
Karl Marx believes that communism is an inevitable evolution of human society and class warfare is inevitable.

>Adherence with natural law is fascist.
Natural Law ≠ Natural order
Natural Law
1) a body of unchanging moral principles regarded as a basis for all human conduct.
2) an observable law relating to natural phenomena.

I love his idea of a stone world but it'd be extremely retarded to spit on shit such as modern medicine, vaccines, food conservation methods,...
I think the best case scenario would have been to find a middle ground between his and Senku's ideals.

Tsukasa-chan is pure, don't lewd him.

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what would sex with Tsukasa feel like

Tender dominance, no kissing.

>Primitive communism
Hierarchy is THE result of genetic diversity. Marx and Engles can think whatever they'd like to about hypothetical early populations, but wishful thinking doesn't eliminate lived experience and evolutionary biology.
Marx is likely correct in communism being an inevitable conclusion of capitalism, as capitalism cannot be maintained indefinitely as it is a perverse structure. Communism rising to fill the power-void of capitalism is just an intermediary step towards natural order, and not natural order within itself.

>Natural Law = Natural Order
Semantics, but I'll comply.
That being said:
>1) a body of unchanging moral principles regarded as a basis for all human conduct.
is literally the definition of natural order, not natural law, which would be >2) as this user had already stated .

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>vigilante justice is The Criminal Justice System
If anything, the chief punishing vigilante justice from a higher position is Criminal Justice.
This is a bad anprim memeball and you need to eat more tedpills.

>Hierarchy is THE result of genetic diversity. Marx and Engles can think whatever they'd like to about hypothetical early populations, but wishful thinking doesn't eliminate lived experience and evolutionary biology.
Commies being wrong doesn't change the fact that believe that they believe their own bullshit.
>Communism rising to fill the power-void of capitalism is just an intermediary step towards natural order, and not natural order within itself.
Communism is the end step. The problem is that it is pure Utopian bullshit that will never be achieved.

>is literally the definition of natural order, not natural law,
No, Natural Order is
1) is the moral source from which natural law seeks to derive its authority.
2) the physical universe considered as an orderly system subject to natural (not human or supernatural) laws
Natural Law is the theoretical laws that govern human morality independent of political order, society or nation-state.

Power is inherently ethical. Fite me bruh.

read plato faggot

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He already met her in the lastest episode.

Ever heard of khmer rouge?

I'm also wearing glasses. A vast majority of primitivists are of the non-practicing sort.

Go to rural america or anywhere outside the cities and coast. They're more backwards than 3rd worlders.

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