Did she really try to kill herself?

Only the hardcore Asukafags claim she didn't try to kill herself because their waifu is a fighter, not a quitter and a whiner like baka Shinji

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What a waste of good pusy

>pilot had a traumatic angel contact
>no psychological evaluation necessary
NERV logic everybody.

Talking about all of it, or just the 'resurrected by Shinji' bit?

>micromanagment?
yes, NERV logic

Actually, Shinji isn't as whiny as people often portray him to be either

Shinji had angel contact like 2 times during the show, one lasting for an entire month, but he was expected to endure. That's Japanese culture

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After rewatching NGE, I find Asuka way whinier than Shinji. In fact, Shinji's character flaw is to be a pushover rather than whiny. Under different circunstances, Shinji could easily become a kamikaze (see ep 3)

But that's just retarded. They depend on those kids to perform so to not even check for possible mental of physical contamination is just irresponsible and could bite them in the ass. Like what would happen if an angel laid an egg inside a pilot? In Rebuild Asuka is at least quarantined for possible infection.

He's also pretty dumb. Kaworu was calmly explaining things to him and Shinji still kept saying that he doesn't understand anything.

Nope. That is blood coming from somewhere else...

>shinji gets mpreg'd by leliel
just like my doujins

What does a psychological evaluation do? If nobody else is available to pilot the thing to save the world, it doesn't matter how damaged she is. She still has to do it.

That's because an anime MC has to have an IQ of 85 to give the side characters an excuse to do exposition good enough for the audience.

Yeah, I guess his inner conflict between wanting affection and love and being afraid of opening up to other people makes him somewhat fragile, but he still got plenty of courage for a 14 years old boy

He was too memorized by kaworu's pretty face to pay attention to what he was saying

It would show whether she needs to be doped up on a Valium/amphetamine combo to keep her from flipping her tits

They check their bodies constantly but don't give a shit about their psyches beyond an "it can't be helped". Again, Japanese culture. Even the people who worked in Eva believe in that bullshit, see Tsurumaki

>What do you think about Gendo Ikari?”
>Gendo was meant to be a strong father who should have a positive influence on Shinji so that he could grow to be more confident and adult-like. Many modern fathers in Japan are "mollycoddled" which was another reason to make Ikari Gendo into a strong father.

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Pushover in what sense? Because he beat Unit 02 real good and was handing Zeruel its ass before the power ran out.

Maybe pushover wasn't the right choice of word but passive. Shinji accepts the situation and obey orders because he want to be accepted. The Zeruel incident was important because it was his choice rather than being guilt-driven or pressured but Sadamoto missed the point

>What does a psychological evaluation do?
Give them enough time to prepare a replacement pilot.
> If nobody else is available to pilot the thing to save the world, it doesn't matter how damaged she is.
If that's the case then it's in their own best interest that she's in top mental and physical shape or else she fails at her mission and the world will not be saved. You're demonstrating retarded "pulling oneself by the bootstraps" logic that never works anyway.

>Gendo was meant to be a strong father who should have a positive influence on Shinji so that he could grow to be more confident and adult-like. Many modern fathers in Japan are "mollycoddled" which was another reason to make Ikari Gendo into a strong father.
Was Tsurumaki very pissed when Anno shat all over that statement in EoE by having Gendo outright admit he was a shit father?

I'm like the term 'doormat' for these cases.

Anno didn't have him do that, Anno doesn't write the scripts.

Tsurumaki is "fixing" Eva with Rebuild in the same way Sadamoto "fixed" it with the manga

Anno has written or co-written every episode of NGE and EoE

Anno expresses his intentions to the writers.

>777666
Absolutely blessed.

It's more obnoxious when Shinji does it because he performs miracles after he's convinced to try. He can do it, he just wants his ass kissed first.

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Why did this supposedly have such a low chance of success? Seems pretty fucking simple.

whats the best torrent for this? the amount of autism that goes into all the different releases and encodes and color corrections and shit is fascinatingly autistic but is sephirotics on nyaa the generally accepted best release right now?

I havent seen the episode for a bit, but wasnt it because the angel fell too fast to accurately predict where it would land, so they had to fudge out a triangulation of where it was gonna land so the other two evas could come to help?

On first viewing, I was expecting Shinji to be an ideal, optimistic, super-competent Shounen MC and found him really irritating when he disappointed.
Honestly he handles himself much better than I expect I'd manage.

Angel could have hit anywhere in this area to annihilate headquarters and nobody predicted an eva could break mach 1 and hold it alone for 20 seconds.

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imagine if shinji was like naruto

Imagine if Shinji was like Rance.

You mean like the dead see scrolls predicted, don't you?

*masturbates over comatose german guy

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Well an Eva probably couldn't do that, good thing unit 01 isn't an eva.

I do find the idea of that less disgusting. Partly because lower chance of landing body fluids on the comatose person but I'm not sure about the remaining bit.

>chosed to make piloting Eva entirely part of her identity and base her self-worth on this.
>realize she fucking sucks at it, wonder girl and baka shinji are better than her.
>realize that she has no friends, that Shinji don't like her and believe he prefers the blue haired doll.
>realize she's ineffective and will be soon replaced as a pilot, unsuccessfull to beat an angel and victim of psychic attacks reminding herself of a trauma.
>Kaji is death, her wet dream is destroyed.
>decides that everything sucks, especially herself and want to abandon everything and dies.
really I barely understand the ones who said Asuka was a sane person.

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Imagine if naruto wasn't a mentally retarded adhs kid that got mobbed not only by his peers but also by almost any adult in his entire village (city would be more accurate). I'm not even going to start with what the else makes no sense in that hellhole of a world, but you shouldn't treat the ninja equivalent of a nuke like a jew in 33, especially if his parents are national heroes who gave their lives for the common good. Ffs naruto is retarded.

I need this

>Anno has written or co-written every episode of NGE and EoE
Nope, he doesn't specifically write scenes or character dialogue - he just works with the scriptwriters.

>good thing unit 01 isn't an eva
What in the world is unit 01 if it is not a eva?

And suddenly society thinks it's okay.

So Sadamoto basically tweeted out "Fuck Korea" last night and he got so much backlash he'll probably be banished from anything Eva-related ever again.
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>the ones who said Asuka was a sane person
I doubt anyone has ever said that and think you're just making it up.

>chosed
When literally the first word of your post is already spelled wrong something is seriously wrong. But let's dive a bit deeper into the feces you dropped on your keyboard...

Asuka has no close family or anything left after her mother died. But worse, her mother didn't just die instead she saw her mother in her completely degenerated state. After that she basically has no identity left whatsoever. So she probably tried everything she could to define herself. Accomplishments and tackling every challenge, having the honor of piloting a billion dollar humanoid weapon is probably pretty defining, especially for a child. She doesn't suck at piloting, but when shinji outperforms her her self worth suffers heavily since she defined herself through her outstanding achievements. More doubts make her perform worse, which again increases her self doubt. She then hits rock bottom, can't pilot anymore and has completely lost her identity. That combined with being mind raped by the angel and her buried past concerning her mother brings her to a dark place. She'd need help, but misato is busy with dealing with kajis death, kaji isn't around anymore and shinji lacks any required social skill to help. If shinji wasn't a literal waste of oxygen he'd have stepped up and help her through this difficult time, like he should have done with misato. But shinji has never had proper social development so this didn't happen. If shinji was raised properly most problems in nge wouldn't exist.

He is credited as a script writer for every episode except episode 4.

Which Korea?

*accidentaly gropes the clone of her dad

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In this scenario, is her mother Yui, or genderbent Gendo?

Explain, i dont speak chink.

Shinji can't just swoop in and fix Asuka's problems.
And even then he is just a kid. And he got his own issues to deal with before concerning himself with Asuka's or Misato's.

genderbent gendo

This is definitely ok

>Eva is so deep not even the creators themselves get it
Wow.

Well I don't know if it's the proper term but it's a lilin. Eva was created from Adam. Eva's are made from Adam, the first Angel. Unit 01 is made from lilith, it's actually completely different from an eva. Unit 01 is special. It's why gendo wants to evacuate it first and why unit 01 can do shit the other Eva's can't.

Friendly reminder that everybody here knows she did and that OP has watched this series a long time ago and is just trying to start a conversation. It’s not a complex scene at all as she literally says how’s she’s feeling audibly to the audience thus walking us through the scene like school children. It literally leaves nothing to the imagination. This is an extremely straightforward scene and it’s not deep in any way whatsoever.

This. It's unfair to expect Shinji to fix anyone else's problems for them, his own problems are more than he can handle. And really, this is the case for the whole cast; everyone needs someone to fix their problems or at least help them with it, but everyone else's problems are so severe that they need help to fix them.

Kittane girl statue.
A movie that burns the Emperor's photos and then obscures them with his feet.
Propaganda customs in some countries
Full package!

Required for contemporary art
Interesting! beauty!
surprise! Comfortable! Intellectual stimulation
There is nothing but vulgar misery

I was hoping to grow up like a documenta or Setouchi art festival ...

??

Japs all hate Koreans though why would they care?

Care to explain why subsequent versions of the episode tried to make the water in the bathtub not look like blood?

There was that one LN author that offended the chinks that got it's anime adaptation cancelled.

Gendo reasons had already been established before long before EoE and I believe that Anno has always considered him a bad father. Anno has taken great care of the psychological part of the characters, it was basically what he cared the most about, delegating the others for the rest, so yes when in the film they say that Gendo was a coward scared by human relationships, that's certainly Anno that makes a point.

Many Japanese have at least some level of disdain for the rest of Asia, but Japanese publishers love foreign money and cheap outsourcing of inbetween frames.

Atleast she tried not like you

which ones wud yu fug

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Kaworu is the only one that works.

Some are kino and pretty cool, others wonderfully ridiculous.

Imagine a yuri-version of his episode

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all he had to do was suck on her pussy for an hour or two and she would have been okay

is that a monster can in his hand

It's nothing special, by now.

I'm pretty sure that's exactly what they need, though

Almost any of shinji problems originate from shinji not having proper developed social skills. If he would have grown up properly he wouldn't struggle with being a pilot so much. He literally has no idea how to live in the series, he has never learnt to deal with negative emotions and pain (instead he runs away), he has massive problems forming bonds and friendships and was never confronted with helping others with their problems. If he wouldn't be antisocial he would find a way to deal with piloting since he wants to protect the citizens of neo Tokyo 3, he would make friends easier, he wouldn't have to be told to stop running away and wouldn't fuck up the fight against the second angel, he wouldn't run away, he'd form more than 2 friendships and would probably properly befriend asuka (no you horny bastards leave your dicks in your pants). He would be there in time to fight in the geofront, asuka wouldn't get completly beaten, he could still help her dealing with her problems or at least taken her state into account. He could help misato dealing with the loss of kaji, he could have filled the void a bit (again keep your dicks in your pants). With functioning social structures emotional problems can be dealt with much easier. In return asuka and misato could help shinji overcome the death of kawuro, especially since kawuro wouldn't be the only friend that shinji had left.

Most problems or challanges in nge could have been dealt with if shinji had social skills.

Cursed

Shinji had absolutely no way of helping Asuka. Asuka's problem is far more complex than a simple self-esteem and her enormous pride would make any Shinji approach pointless.

Shigeru is best girl.

Tojiko is love. Best girl hands down.

Yes, all you need to not be depressed is to have a proper upbringing.
>he wouldn't have to be told to stop running away
That is what he tells himself. And it had nothing to do with not having friends.
>wouldn't fuck up the fight against the second angel
He didn't fuck up, he kills it. He just disobeyed orders.
>he wouldn't run away
Yeah, if just he had some social skills he would be entirely fine with the responsibility of the entire world resting on his untrained shoulders with fighting giant monsters in a machine that hurts him. He only ran away because he didn't have friends.
>he'd form more than 2 friendships
Why would he need any more? Their friendship is already good enough. Both Toji and Kensuke also only had 2 friends. Shinji was also friends with Rei and Asuka.
>would probably properly befriend asuka
They were friends. At least between episode 9 to 15.
>He would be there in time to fight in the geofront
He left because his father forced him to almost kill his friend. How would having social skills change that?
>he could still help her dealing with her problems or at least taken her state into account. He could help misato dealing with the loss of kaji
Who do you think he is? When did you get the impression that he had the knowledge to deal with that sort of thing. He is 14, not a therapist.

>resurrected by Shinji

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He could never 'solve' Asuka's problems, a lot of that is something she has to overcome herself (she did in EoE mostly). If he did have a better upbringing and wasn't as passive though, he could have comforted and helped Asuka emotionally like she desperately wanted him to, helping to strengthen the foundation of their friendship. If he was successful it is entirely possible the entire story could have taken a more positive turn.

Then again, this is all fanwank and what-ifs so it doesn't matter. Just pretty telling about how much of the shit in this show could have been avoided if people knew how to properly communicate themselves and what they wanted/needed. Miscommunication is probably the largest reason everything takes a turn for the worst past Episode 15, starting with the failed kiss.

Shinji just being able to connect with Asuka and understand her would have helped out a lot, there was definitely a 'way' for it to happen. The problem is at that point in the story the two character's still have issues with communication and refuse to acknowledge or try to understand others, so Shinji was incapable of helping her in the way she needed.

Gendo, Fuyutski and Keel are legitimate nightmare fuel

Shinji fatal flaw is that attitude that prevents him from growing as a better person, which is then the point of his final awareness in the "congratulations" moment.

But every bullshit that happens at Nerv, Kaji, Toji, Misato, Rai or Asuka are all things that really go beyond his means.

If he had been socially skilled, what would have changed in Koji's destiny? Nothing. He should have been as good as Kira Yamato to saved Koji without getting himself killed.

If he had been socially skilled, what would have changed in the fate of Kaji? Nothing. And the fate of Kaji is what makes Misato fall.

If he had been socially clever what would have changed in the Rei destiny? Nothing again, Because Rei becomes attached to Shinji anyways. If he had been socially skilled, would he have changed anything with his father?
I doubt it, they almost never talk to each other.

Actually it makes a lot of sense under the Japanese mindset. Not saying Naruto is a well-written manga, in fact the writing is fucking horrible, but Kishi was just following old Japanese tales about kids with demons inside

>their faces when NERV installs dilation stations

Wasn't episode 4 supposed to be about Shinji's birthday but Anno changed it at the last minute? Maybe that's why he didn't have time to work on the script directly and left it to Satsukawa. Great episode though

Did Asuka deserve to suffer?

If Shinji was socially able, it would just have been Asuka to distance herself from him instead.
There are no simply solutions to any of the characters problem in NGE.

Way more than Shinji but she gets a free pass for being pretty

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rei, asuka and shinji deserve comfort and love

Asuka dead on just bullrushed Zeruel right after that. Sure it didn't work, but she tried at least.

Rei doesn't even get back up.

This. Absolutely this. Asuka is extremely competitive. If Shinji were like Ayato Kamina, Asuka would have seen him immediately as a dangerous rival and would immediately feel hatred and fear towards him.

Instead it is precisely because he considers Shinji "inferior" that she approaches him convinced that she has nothing to worry about, treating him like an idiot puppy. And even when she begins to feel more respect for him, she's still convinced to be at the top.

No.

None of the Children do.

Asuka needed Kaworu, search your heart you know it to be true.

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Dolls don't deserve anything.

What is the logic behind that reasoning?

>Asuka x Kaworu

Does this ship exist?

> blood flowing where her wrists are

I don't know. You tell me.

>meek quiet girl and quasi-abusive ikemen with emotional trauma
it's just like in my shoujos

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the dream

That scenario would be like a deconstruction of shoujo because competitive shoujo female leads learn to submit to the cock and accept that at the end of the day, she's still just a girl and could never be at the same level of a man.

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She probably made the usual rookie mistake, cutting her veins horizontally.

Girls like Asuka, they love Kaworu and they really, really hate Shinji so they can't ship Asushin so LAK is the logical step.

>and they really, really hate Shinji

Did these girls realize that Asuka is basically the same as Shinji, with even more complicated relationship problems due to her childhood traumas?

I really do wish I could see the gender reversed universe where Shinchan fingers herself until she cums all over her hand, and Oskar tells her "I know all about your fingerbanging fantasies about me. Go ahead and do it like you always do..."

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Don't expect brains from the people idiotic enough to ship Kaworu and Asuka.
They probably think Asuka's real personality is the outward one.

They don't have self-awareness

He didn't have to be sociable or outgoing, or full on crazy like Kamina. Just take an initiative to understand her and connect with her. One of the significant reasons for her mental breakdown and downtrend is distinctly because she wants to be comforted and helped by Shinji but he is too meek and passive to put forth the effort. Asuka is guilty too since she knew Shinji liked her, she knew she liked him, but refused to explain herself to him and instead projected her own feelings of self-hatred onto Shinji past Episode 15. And so she remains alone and hopeless.

The downward spiral in their relationship is due to miscommunication more than anything. If they communicated properly the rapport could have possibly been built in their friendship to handle the tonal shift past EP15.

Oskar? Why not something less cringy like Asuque?

>Asuque
what the fuck

Who does?

Have you seen the Eva threads? It's all waifu faggotry and how everything is Shinji's fault because muh waifu is a poor victim waiting for (me) to be rescued

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On behalf of my fellow Asukafags, I'll never downplay the fact that Asuka and her own dumb decisions are to blame for most of the shit she goes through.

i would too if you're just a love interest for some loser

she was just being ironic

dont bully kensuke like that

If Shinji took the initiative Asuka would just have rejected him. I don’t know why you think Asuka would have accepted outright affection from Shinji, nothing about her character would lead you to believe this.
>One of the significant reasons for her mental breakdown and downtrend is distinctly because she wants to be comforted and helped by Shinji
No, it really isn’t, at best you could say a factor is the conflict within Asuka to want to be close to Shinji vs the side of her that would hate to accept that affection for any reason.
>Asuka is guilty too since she knew Shinji liked her
She shouldn’t know that since he never showed any such signs until the masturbation scene in EoE.
>The downward spiral in their relationship is due to miscommunication more than anything.
The downward spiral is due to them both fearing close relationships.

Is Yui a Mary Sue?

No she isn’t in the show enough.

>mansato kisses shinjiko to get her in the robot

>mansato cleavage pic from ep 1 is actually a picture of his bulge

she died even before the show started

You’re replying to a mentally ill Asukashipper, he’s been proven wrong a million times but he still posts this shit

She appears in almost every single episode, saves the day almost every time, does things that are physically impossible, becomes a literal godess, is put on a pedestal by every person that knows her and becomes immortal to live on for all of eternity.

Her goal with trying to goad Shinji into a kiss was trying to get him to comfort her/hold her. When this fails, she runs off to the bathroom and is implied to be on the verge of tears. Why would she even initiate the kiss with the goal of seeking out Shinji for help if she would just reject him outright if he did what she hoped for?

Then again, she also refused to express herself to Shinji because of how afraid she was of relying on others. So I think I see what you're getting at. She desperately wants to rely on and open up to Shinji, but she is also deeply conflicted by the thought of relying on others so really, no matter if it 'succeeded' or failed, there would be issues?

in any case Ritsuko is the real Mary Sue, Yui didn't have enough screentime to actually fuck up something

>Ritsuko
>Mary sue
Bitch what are you smoking

I mean pic related, not the "row row fight the powa guy". Also because I think that Asuka would immediately fall in love for a guy like Kamina. That muddafukka was good with his speeches at making others feel like heroes. The perfect Mentor unlike Kaji.

But to heal Asuka it would take years. it's not something that a simple guy can solve alone with his love. Asuka must create for herself an identity that goes beyond the pilot and this is done by creating bonds, friendships, finding new interests, but it is not something you can achieve in a few months. Especially when you already have a terribly fragile mind.
Think that a simple boy can cure her with his love, becoming for her the new center of her universe ... it's a bit of a male power fantasy.

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I can understand Rei being done for the day, she already couldn't take the shot and that expression reads as much like betrayal after the scene of how cold Gendo purges the arm. What's weird is how Unit 03 jumps the fuck back from that, stares for a second, turns and just leaves her like that.

Holy shit, someone else remembers RahXephon.

I never implied that Shinji can 'cure' her with 'love'. She just wanted to be understood and helped by somebody and she was using Shinji to that end, although he continued to fail her.

On top of that, with what
said

I now see even if Shinji did try to actively embrace her in some sort of way she'd likely find a way to turn it on its head because she is so conflicted with the thought of relying on or opening up to him since her facade deems it weak.

What I don't get is why, in EP22', Asuka was angry at Shinji for not holding or helping her if at this point in the story she was still conflicted about relying on him. Was it because it was one of her significant subconscious wants that surfaced because of Ariel, yet she refuses to acknowledge it?

Unfortunately, like all of her attempts at achieving something, she failed.

No, but I did.
I failed, if you can't tell.

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shinji and ayato friends for no reason

>What I don't get is why, in EP22', Asuka was angry at Shinji for not holding or helping her if at this point in the story she was still conflicted about relying on him. Was it because it was one of her significant subconscious wants that surfaced because of Ariel, yet she refuses to acknowledge it?
Well there's that, but also the fact that she is still conflicted about relying on him. At this point it really is a no-win scenario for Shinji; there's not actually a "right" thing for him to do. Maybe holding and helping her would have long-term been the less bad thing to do, maybe it wouldn't.

how the fuck is ritsuko a mary sue by any stretch of the imagination

nice try ghost, prepare to get busted

I'll bust all over you if you don't stay away.

>Well there's that, but also the fact that she is still conflicted about relying on him.
How so? I'm talking specifically about her yelling at Shinji because 'You won't help me! You won't hold me!' etc. Obviously her desperate want to rely and be comforted by others is at direct odds with the fake persona she puts up, and this causes conflict. But that has nothing to do with Shinji not holding her.

I honestly don't see how Shinji holding or helping her in the scenarios she goaded onto could have been worse than him just being passive. Even if she responded negatively because of her fear of relying on others, there was a possibility that she would have realized that she sort of liked it, at least after the dust had settled and she was alone with her thoughts. Every single person in Eva wants to be embraced and loved, Asuka included.
Then again, her realizing she liked the feeling of being embraced and understood could just cause further conflict in her that would make her act abrasive towards him. Or maybe not because she felt genuinely understood by another. Fuck if I know.

>I honestly don't see how Shinji holding or helping her in the scenarios she goaded onto could have been worse than him just being passive.
Her panicking and telling him to fuck off?

Most popular Eva boy and girl, and Anno's husbando and waifu respectively.

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>252
This has to be fake.

She would roundhouse kick his jaw and run. She wouldn't tell anyone, wouldn't move out, and she'd set him up to do it again the next time Misato wasn't home.

It's not, Rei has no fans anymore.

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She runs away and cries after Shinji fails to 'understand' her. How could her acting negatively in the short term after getting what she wanted out of the kiss be worse than her continuing to feel alone and misunderstood because of his denseness?

Idk in the manga after the ending fight world gets ressurected as if there werent any impacts and shinji and asuka are normal ppl living happily

damn I always thought this was meant to be her mother, never actually paused to look at it

If she pushes him far enough away, it'll be harder for them to come together again. And that's already not very easy.

This is the most realistic answer. She'd react negatively without thinking but want to do it again, all while being conflicted about it.

I mean she already pushes him away and calls him names a lot. After the kiss failed she makes fun of him either way and later on says she is feeling down because of how bad of a kisser he is. She would act negatively outwardly either way.

The way I see it, there are two scenarios:

1) Asuka likes Shinji. Shinji likes Asuka. Asuka tries to kiss Shinji to goad him into helping/comforting her. Shinji actually comforts her/holds her. Asuka gets the feeling of 'understanding' she wanted out of the interaction but struggles to accept the thought of relying on Shinji, so pushes him away and calls him a pervert. Though still conflicted, she felt understood.

2) Asuka likes Shinji. Shinji likes Asuka. Asuka tries to kiss Shinji to goad him into helping/comforting her. Shinji does nothing and behaves passively. Asuka pushes him away, runs into the bathroom to cry. Asuka did not get the feeling of 'understanding' she wanted out of Shinji. Asuka still struggles to accept the thought of relying on Shinji.

>and why unit 01 can do shit the other Eva's can't
...in addition to having the only actual genuinely good mother soul, you mean. The inadequacy of 00's standin soul and Asuka's difficulty syncing with Kyoko were pretty important.

2013 Saboten Con.
YM = Yuko Miyamura (Asuka's seiyuu) TG = Tiffany Grant (Asuka's English voice actor)

>Q: Does Asuka really like Shinji?
>TG: Are you stupid?
>YM: No.

>Q: What was your reaction when you heard about Rebuild?
>SS and TG: Getting paid.
>YM: A happy ending but it hasn’t happened yet. I wasn’t happy with the EoE ending. Shinji and Kaworu married.

>Q: Who do you feel Shinji should end up with?
>TG: I’d say Mari but I don’t like her.
>YM: Kaworu.

>Shinji and Kaworu married.
ok this is epic

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Amazing how an actor could know so little about a character they play.

>HM: Today is the Tanabata and it's a fine day that's been long-awaited.
>MK: It's been raining on this day for many years. Finally Orihime and Hikoboshi get to meet.
>HM: Say if Misato were to be Orihime, who would be her Hikoboshi?
>Misato's VA: For Misato, obviously Kaji-kun.
>Rei's VA: For Rei-chan, it'd be Ikari Gendo I guess. (Shudders)
>Rei's VA: As for the main character Ikari Shinji, who would his Orihime be? If it was Asuka it would be unbearable.
>Misato's VA: It would rain nonstop forever!
>Rei's VA: Then in that case, as expected, Kaworu-kun?

>Both: Kaworu-kun. (Nodding)
(Audience claps)

youtube.com/watch?v=UlwTgRmcdb4
starts at 2:05

>I never said all actors are cattle; what I said was all actors should be treated like cattle.

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>in the manga
Opinion discarded.

asuka says gay rights

Based

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>Tiffany Grant acting in character.

She wants to be understood and comforted, specifically by Shinji. Yet, she is conflicted about these feelings because she can't accept the thought of relying on or opening up to other people. This obviously fits the description of 'Asuka is attracted to Shinji' or 'Asuka likes Shinji' if she wants him to be the one she can open up with, it doesn't necessarily have to be romantic. Also, 'really likes' can be misconstrued and isn't really concrete.

If Miyamura doesn't understand that about her own character her opinion is actually irrelevant because she is a fucking retard.

Asuka is gay for Shinji so duh

i wonder if tiffany grant ever comes to Yea Forums to post about her love for asuka

Based Miyamura making the shippers seethe
Only women truly understand Asuka, you silly horny virgin boys don't get her and never will.

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>Yoshiyuki Sadamoto: Sadamoto: In fact, Shinji and Rei, and Shinji and Asuka, their touch stopped at holding hands. Everytime they hold their hands, it has a different meaning. It is one fun fact about EVA……So I never intend to let the children’s relationship go beyond that. On the contrary, Kaworu is the only one who overstep the boundary, he break the rule.

She'd never come because she can't handle people shitting on Asuka, even if there are just as many people praising her as well.

What I said isn't even shipping, it's literally verbatim pulled out of the show. I also never said anything about a romantic relationship. You are truly a retard if you think 'wanting to be understood by' is equatable to 'romantic shipping love.'
You're so much of a troglodyte that you can't even make your own arguments and so have to resort to posting interviews outside of the series to defend your point of view, when those interviews aren't even relevant to the conversation.

I didn't post them in response to you, I just posted them because they make you retards mad every single time.
You don't understand a thing about Asuka satan, and you never will because you're a boy.

r u a gf

I was literally Asuka when I was younger, saying she 'likes' Shinji is a huge red flag that you didn't understand her character and are just projecting a shallow interpretation onto her for your dick.

You're the femcel poster from a while ago that got BTFO, I remember. I can tell that it's you because you don't actually offer any counter argument and just resort to ad hominem like the waste of oxygen you are.

Gendo-Fuyutsuki threesome please

Never once have I been BTFO, stay eternally mad.
Funny how you're always bragging about how realistic Asuka is but once you face an Asuka in real life you get mad and bite back.
You don't give a shit about Asuka's character, you only care about wish fulfillment and your virgin dick.

>an asuka in real life
Would a person with her exact same personality manage to be successful in life or would they fall into self-destructive spirals?

fucking larp cringe and self insert. You can say OP didn't understand the show for his dick but you didn't understand the show for your sperg tendencies to try to make your mental illness "quirky"

I can't say. I'm not a sociologist.

Absolutely cringe, off yourself. Stop projecting your own mental illness onto another character, you didn't understand the show.

I never said it was quirky, retard.
I related to Asuka so well watching Eva was a huge wake up call for me to change my ways or end up in a hole like her.

>fem-keel sugar momma

As far as waifus go, Asuka is one of the better choices. But waifuism is still cancer.

>you didn't understand the show
You're the one arguing with what the Eva staff members say about the show because they don't match your shipping interpretation.

Asuka never liked Shinji in NGE, get over it.
Not only do you not understand Asuka, you don't understand women in general because you're too busy thinking about wish fulfillment for your dick.

I'm a dude and I can relate to Asuka too. The problem is that most evafags see eva as the seasonal haremshit. They already have Shinji Ikari Raising Project so they should fuck off

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Did you watch your mom hang herself? No, you were sad because daddy left you so you started sucking old guy dick to give yourself a semblance self worth, while at the same time souring your personality to the point everyone only used you for a dick glove because they couldn't stand being around you. user is right- you are projecting- and you have no place saying Asuka is like you, because she isn't.

Remember, this is who you are replying too. It is not mentally stable. Ignore it.

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How would sohryu react to shikinami?

See, what she doesn't understand is that everyone is fooled by her spergness, at least not enough to think that all girls are as batshit crazy and terrible to be around like she is. Must be a sad life, desu.

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She's right, though.

>you started sucking old guy dick to give yourself a semblance self worth, while at the same time souring your personality to the point everyone only used you for a dick glove because they couldn't stand being around you
This describes Asuka pretty well, actually.

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But it's true. Saying it was Shinji's doing is pushing it but she wouldn't be alive if she didn't get tanged first.

youtube.com/watch?v=hEKNA3MfLdg
Starting at 0:53
>(Asuka performing a morning call)
>Shinji: Wow! Asuka, that was pretty good!
>Asuka: Of course, this sort of thing is a piece of cake!
>Asuka: If it was the first child, she'd just say stuff like 'farewell'.
>Shinji: Yeah...but I would like to hear Kaworu-kun do something like this.
>Asuka: Are you an idiot!? That guy is a perv and a leech! What's so good about that homo!?
>Asuka: First of all, he's the one who took over unit-02 and got it damaged without my permission!
>Shinji: ..I'm not so sure about that.
>Asuka: Hm? Why are you going out of your way to defend him?
>Shinji: Well, because he's Kaworu-kun...
>Asuka: Whaaa!? How shocking! So the rumors were true, you ARE A homo!
>Shinji: W-Wait, you're misunderstanding!
>Asuka: Really? I don't really believe that!
>Shinji: Well...forget about it, let's just switch the topic!
>Asuka: Tch, you're totally avoiding the subject.
>Shinji: Let's just move on already!

Asuka calls both Kaworu and Shinji homos, Asuka says gay rights

Real answer is Shinji is there to meet Asuka and participate in a sea battle, and Misato has business there with the transfer of EVA-02, but what's the narrative reason Misato takes Shinji with? I can't buy that she thought he'd have fun seeing an aircraft carrier.

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Another pilot just in case something angel-related happened

In a way the goaded kiss scene is one of the saddest in the show just in terms of how Asuka's so close, yet so far from doing something productive. Shinji doesn't take it as the cry for help and affection that it is but that's not his fault, he's a 14 year old kid. Hell even if he reciprocated perfectly in the moment there's like, 1 in 2 odds that Asuka would've just found another reason to push him away. She just wants affection and comfort and some feeling of value so damn badly, but lacks the tools to even begin finding a healthier path to it than just piloting the Eva.

It's very obvious what Asuka wants. Companionship and to be understood. Ever since she was a child, she has been craving it since she didn't get it from her parents. She just refuses to accept this fact and is conflicted with it because she is scared of getting burnt again a la Kyoko by relying on other people.

Implying that Asuka doesn't seek companionship is the epitome of retardation. It is shown to us explicitly in EP22 and in her Instrumentality in EP25 she outright admits that she has been lying to herself and that retreating from others hasn't cured her pain. She understands that she wants companionship but hates that she feels that way because it contradicts the fake mask she has put on since her mother died. She doesn't want to be alone and misunderstood.

>Are you stupid?
>By Asuka's VA
God Asukafags BTFO

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>INT. SCHOOL, CLASSROOM (THE NEXT DAY)
>Kaworu and Shinji are having fun talking to each other.
Several female students watch from a distance.

>GIRL A: That Ikari's such a leech. He's just hanging all over our dear Kaworu.

>GIRL B: They even shared an umbrella home yesterday.

>GIRL C: (To Asuka who's next to her) Hey, Soryuu, don't you have suspicions about Kaworu and Ikari?

>ASUKA: Well, I mean, they are an item after all.

>GIRL A: You mean, they're…… you know?

>GIRL B: Huh, I don't believe it.

>The rumor spreads through the girls' whispers.
>Asuka seems to feel a little bad about it, but just sticks out her tongue and feigns ignorance.
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That doesn't make her into a VN heroine though. People are complicated and VN characters are written by and for people who can't stand other people

Femanon didn't say otherwise, she just said Asuka herself doesn't know what she wants until it has to literally be mindraped out of her.

>I mean she already pushes him away and calls him names a lot. After the kiss failed she makes fun of him either way and later on says she is feeling down because of how bad of a kisser he is.
Of course, but there's still degrees of pushing away. For what it's worth I do think holding and helping her probably would have been the better course of action, but this is Eva where no matter what anyone does things turn out badly, so it's still got potential to go horribly wrong, however unlikely that seems.

uh.... yeah

I never said she wasn't complicated. In fact I suggested it. Wanting to feel accepted and loved doesn't make you into a VN heroine. If that were true every single women in NGE would be considered one.

Why are Japanese seiyuu so based? They tear the fat otaku asukashippers a new asshole and support qt girls who ship kawoshin.

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That Gendo is hilariously hideous

Because Anno hates otaku and would rather throw the girl fans a bone with an entire movie about homolust

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If it went wrong it'd probably be because of Asuka's fixation on 'adult' physical affection, namely sex, when it comes to trying to find confirmation of her worth as a human in other people. When you're already damaged that's the last extra dynamic you need to throw in the works when you're just trying to feel accepted.

She clearly knows that she wants to feel understood. It's the entire reason she has conflicted feelings and hatred toward herself. By realizing and admitting that is what she wants, her entire facade of being a grown-up who only needs to rely on herself is completely broken. She tries to repress it to keep up her facade.

If it does it should be sunk

kaworu x kaji is the only good ship

She doesn't know until the mindrape episode because she's been deluding herself into thinking otherwise for years.

I don't see how it could have ended up 'worse' than the alternative.

In one scenario, Asuka at least feels understood by Shinji while still being conflicted about her want for companionship.

In the other, Asuka feels completely misunderstood and alone while also still being conflicted about her want for companionship.

>I don't see how it could have ended up 'worse' than the alternative.
Honestly, I'm not sure either. But given who the creator is and what his state of mind was, it could.

Her mind rape just forcibly made her conscious about what she was already subconsciously feeling. If she didn't have a longing to be understood or helped she never would have attempted to goad Shinji into a kiss or sulk in misery when she is left all alone after moving her futon to Misato's room. She did those things specifically because she was in need of help and understanding. She's conflicted throughout the series because of her acknowledgement of this and how it contradicts the person she thought she was.

>Companionship and to be understood
They aren't enough, Asuka even started taking them as patronizing. They're why Asuka has expectations of Shinji, but she's tilted in particular about things he didn't do after that.

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Feels like the main trio of Fruits Basket if MC-chan had no girlfriends and didn't over compensate for her depression.

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>They aren't enough, Asuka even started taking them as patronizing.

How? Shinji never is able to 'understand' her in NGE and isn't able to offer up the emotional companionship she wants neither. What situations do you recall where Shinji even got that far for her to consider it patronizing?

Are you ignoring the fact that she receives companionship from people like Hikari and it still isn't enough to make her feel better?
What she wants is her mother, and nothing will ever make up for that.

F->M give them all short hair
M->F only half get long hair
This annoys me

This clusterfuck is even worse than those baboons drooling over Rei.

The only time Asuka tries to seek out Hikari for emotional help, when she is staying over at her house, Hikari seems detached and uncaring to her plight. She can't understand what she's going through, and how could she, she isn't an EVA pilot and she had a completely different upbringing, which are the main contributors in all of her problems throughout. Unless I'm forgetting something, of course.

She wants to be understood but nobody can understand her. The closest person to being able to understand her should be Shinji considering their parallels but Asuka is too proud to explain herself and Shinji too dense.

How does she consider them patronizing tho?

For better or worse, it's the norm for men to have short hair and women to have whatever length. Only one male member of the cast has long hair in the series, so if we apply that standard, only one of the F->M in that pic should, and I'm not sure that would be really in character for any of them.

Shinji wouldn't be able to.
He didn't have a similar relationship with his mother, he doesn't even remember her.
He doesn't seek acknowledgement from others, rather he runs away from their gaze and would rather not be in the spotlight.

Shinji knows Asuka has her own personal baggage but he doesn't take it into consideration because he doesn't genuinely want to help her or prioritize another person over himself.
He ends up using her as a doll for sexual gratification in eoe.

Hikari's actually a great example. Asuka's hypersensitive about her sense of worth, she doesn't think she has a right to be anywhere or that people could put up with her if she can't earn it. Hikari says Asuka can do whatever she wants and Hikari won't criticize because Asuka tried. That's exactly the wrong thing to say, Asuka could never be secure in that, she expects to be abandoned by anyone she can't make need her for her own ability, and she's kind of right. Hikari clearly doesn't mean that thing she says in a stone-faced monotone, clearly uncomfortable, while already complaining about Asuka in her thoughts.

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I don't disagree. Shinji lets Asuka down a lot and he is pretty selfish with his relationships when the going get tough (see Toji and Misato for instance). Like the projection of Asuka said in Instrumentality, Shinji is just using her as an emotional crutch, an escape. She wants all of him and apparently would look past him wacking off over her if he actually tried to genuinely help or prioritize her. But Shinji is hopelessly selfish and only thinks about him and his own problems, trying to use Asuka as a tool to that end. Which is why she coldly rejects him in the kitchen.

The two are very much alike since they both have the same core problems, they just cope in opposite ways. Despite whether Shinji is the closest thing to being able to understand her or not in this situation isn't really relevant either way, since Asuka pines over him specifically for that very reason in hopes of him 'getting' her.
As you said though, he has too much baggage of his own and so can't actually help Asuka the way she wants to be helped, which frustrates her on top of already being frustrated at her conflicting feelings on wanting to rely on another person.

EVA 303 Shinji >>>>>> NGE Shinji

women pretend to commit suicide for the attention

>She wants all of him and apparently would look past him wacking off over her if he actually tried to genuinely help or prioritize her
>Despite whether Shinji is the closest thing to being able to understand her or not in this situation isn't really relevant either way, since Asuka pines over him specifically for that very reason in hopes of him 'getting' her.
This isn't canon to the show, it's just your dick wish fulfillment again.
I'm actually disgusted that you genuinely think this about the characters, deliberately ignoring the absolute scorn and hatred in Asuka's voice when she notes the wacking thing to preserve your own fucked up perception of her.
And then of course when her own seiyuu, a staff member who Anno obviously coached on her character since 1996 - way before you even watched the show, I'm sure - states a fact in Asuka not liking Shinji you go ballistic and attack her.

No, shes just another edgelord teen crying for help. The only character more pathetic than Asuka is Shinji.

>Asuka is still best girl... Fight me!

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>its not canon
I literally repeated lines she said in Instrumentality and mind rape when she was at her most honest. Why would you say 'Keep doing it, if I can't have all of you than I don't want anything.' What is the meaning behind it besides Asuka showing her jealous and possessive nature while also stating that she wanted Shinji to actually try and understand her, but he absolutely failed and didn't even try.

Asuka both hates and desires Shinji as support in some capacity. It's not black or white. It's purposefully ambiguous. The first half of the show there isn't much hate as opposed to misunderstanding.Towards the later half of the show it is mostly hate.

>I literally repeated lines she said in Instrumentality
A line that she says will complete malice you deaf monkey. She doesn't want to be fapped over you retard, the 'kimochi warui' at the end references her exact feelings over it - Anno literally paints Shinji as a disgusting, creepy racist to Miyamura for that scene to get her honest reply over it.
>if I can't have all of you than I don't want anything
So now you're straight up making up lines from the show? She says: "If I can't have all of you, THEN I DON'T WANT ANYTHING FROM YOU."
If Shinji won't be a puppet for her, then she wants nothing to do with him at all - he can go away and get out of her life. That's not jealousy and possessiveness at all, unlike with Kaji she kept going for him even when he wouldn't give her everything and was sleeping with Misato - if she was the same for Shinji she wouldn't say she wants nothing to do with him, she would pursue him regardless.

You're purposely misconstruing these characters for your own disturbed wish fulfillment. You don't genuinely care about them or want to appreciate the way they're canonically portrayed in the show, that's why you're so obsessed with speculating over 'what would happen in Shinji held her' and other nonsense that would never be shown in canon. It's the only thing you ever talk about in Eva threads because it's the only thing you care about.
Not the show, just your fanfic version of the show. This is why actual quotes from the Eva staff members and actual girls who can better relate to Asuka than you ever can piss you off so much, they're ruining your fanfic headcanon version of Asuka.

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>She says: "If I can't have all of you, THEN I DON'T WANT ANYTHING FROM YOU."
That's what I thought I typed. Wasn't trying to imply that she didn't want anything 'but' Shinji, moreso that if she couldn't have all of him then he didn't want anything to do with him anymore.

As for the rest of your comment it is literally pure headcanon and projection, on top of you making me out to be some kind of boogeyman that doesn't exist. You make her out to be such a black and white character when the opposite is the truth.

>Shinji x Asuka
>Kaworu x Asuka
>Any ship with Asuka

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The true answer is Kaworu x Asuka

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thx for making my night

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>You make her out to be such a black and white character when the opposite is the truth.
This is literally what you're doing by relegating her entire character to Shinji's onahole.
The great thing about Asuka is she's a character who isn't defined by the MC's dick, her motives/ambitions/character don't revolve around the MC like your retarded haremshit shows despite how much you want her to.
There's a reason why she has such a large female fanbase in Japan and the West, moreso than any other female Eva character.
I suppose I shouldn't make fun of you, you're a boy so it's only natural you'll never completely understand her. Just like how trannies have flawed conceptions of what girls are, so do you.

"Understanding" doesn't fix crazy, user. Asuka is mentally ill for reasons completely unrelated to Shinji and there's nothing he or anyone else (except for trained psychiatrists) could have done to make her not mentally ill. Just because she thinks that latching on people could fix her doesn't mean it's true.

does this mean Gendo would grab Rei's penis?

Gendo x Asuka

Ok now yer just blowing smoke outta yer ass. no one, EVER, has said Asuka is sane.

I dont think hes that far off as to his characterization of Asuka. You have to consider that characters are best understood in terms of motives and character interactions in the context of circumstance, the most important circumstance being the weakness of human nature.

There is quite obviously a curious and intimate relationship regarding the last moments of EoE. Im sure we could sit here all day coloring their relationship according to our biases in our own relationships, but nevertheless there is a certain affection mixed with conflict. Very often, even when external actions do give away a certain wickedness of interior intention, nevertheless it is important to ask what need exactly was this evil act attempting to fulfill. For example, if Shinji abuses himself, thus dishonoring Asuka, what exact need was he trying to fulfill? And why does he feel sorry afterwords, if he truly saw Asuka as just an object? And why Asuka? Or in another example, when Asuka flips out on Shinji, while also in another instance tries to find tranquility by being physically close to Shinji in his bed, what motive or motives tie together these seemingly contradictory actions? Is it really just because "Asuka is an immature ditzy girl who likes to manipulate?"

I would ask you your interpretation of what makes Asuka who she is, and what her primary motives and desires are, especially in relation to Shinji and their many shared traumas and experiences in dealing with having to freakin pilot evas as children to prove their self worth.

pic related, its what everyone really needs, and what all the characters in eva sorely missed

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Did Asuka's mom shit herself because she committed suicide by hanging?

You retards don't understand a thing about Miyamura and how much she put into her role as Asuka, nor how much she understands and cares for her character:

Asuka, I want you to stay here. In that place inside my heart, be safe and at your own pace. And I’ll do the keeping up and grow up right alongside you. You’re thrown and thrown against that wall - against either wall - but the stronger it seems, the more weapons will come into your hand. You’re in training for your life every day that you live. And you will learn to break through.

I don’t want to share my pain with you, or yours with me. I want that we should share our happiness instead, and grow closer that way. You see, life isn’t one exam, one time that determines everything. Don’t try and think everything all the way through to the end. Decide you’ll try and learn instead.

They say you have to climb mountains and swim oceans. No. You don’t have to do it that way, either. You can learn to eat mountains and drink oceans. You don’t have to merely overcome an obstacle. You can savor it and become a person of taste. Life is fun, Asuka - and you don’t have to rely on chance that it should happen that way; instead you can make it so.

—
Asuka’s seiyuu Yuko Miyamura, “A Place in the Heart for Asuka”

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Is Miyamura a cutie in real life?

she's meh looking

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imagine the smell

I love those pinchable cheeks.

I miss Rahxephon.

Who's the cutest, Rei's VA, Shinji's VA, Asuka's VA, or Misato's VA?

>Mansato tries to stay pure but Kajette constantly seduces him
I'd be down for that

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>blood
It's poop. She pooped herself.

You'd have to be absolutely braindead to be off in interpreting Asuka's characterization because like with every other character the viewer is beaten over the head with it throughout the entire show.
And in case you were too stupid to miss it the first time, you get a cliff notes version of Shinji/Misato/Rei/Asuka's characters in episodes 25/26.
We can argue about more ambiguous scenes like the choking at the end of eoe, but there's no ambiguity or room for interpretation in saying Asuka wants to feel validated via the acknowledgment and praise of others to make up for her mother 'replacing' her with a doll at a young age. Because this is straight up told to you several times throughout the show.

There's nothing smart and interesting in that user repeating what we're told in the show. The part that's laughable about that user's posts is that he forces in shallow wish fulfillment garbage that has no evidence within the show and would sully the complexity of the character if there was.

Shinji's VA straight up looks like a tranny.

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It wasn't about finding top tier and best mentally prepared people. EVAs accepted only particular people.

Nah she just tried to awaken a tomato soup fetish but even that couldn't make her feel anything.

So do you tho.

yea, I would agree it is pretty clear as to what traumas exist in characters and how they cope. But I think we can agree that these coping mechanisms is not what will solve their problems. So the question is, what exactly is this love that is missing from these characters, and how exactly can they heal from their traumas by how they treat each other?

I havent watched Eva in a minute, but I can vaguely remember plenty of almost tender moments between each and every character, that somewhat seem to lead into a timid attempt at just maybe overcoming the AT fields of isolation of heart. I personally agree with the user that there is a special possibility between Asuka and Shinji, since they really are so similar in their traumas, with their opposing coping mechanisms making their relationship a disaster but also inspiring a kind of hope.

At the end of the day these are all fictional characters, but i think the real themes of responsibility and meaningful relationships requiring earnest self-giving are what really attract all of us to this anime (especially since NEETs are bad at both.)

Personally, I also find that women naturally are inclined to men who they can rely upon, almost as a necessity. Whats also natural is this duty for men to be strong enough to be relied upon. Anons characterization of Asuka being double frustrated at Shinjis self-centered mopey personality, as well as his ineptitude, perfectly outline why she acts the way she does with him. I dont think user is arguing that "Shinji is the knight in shining armor that will save Asuka", but rather that he was in a perfect position to at least be a mutually supportive friend in a place where everyone feels alone and motivated by their own cope. Its not so much a waifuism (at least from my perspective), but rather a natural possibility of 2 souls who, in spite of many mistakes and issues communicating, can really learn to love each other, or at least understand each other in a meaningful way.

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I wanna see post 3I shinji appearing in the shinji ikari raising project manga and just fucking losing his shit at everything

>falls on rei's dick.
rei "will you get off?"

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To a question no one asked

Rei and kaworu.

Same as if they werent genderbent.

"If you're a man you're supposed to endure" isn't just Japanese culture, it's an archaic concept that only recently was abandoned by progressive countries.

Kill herself? You need to live for that.

I don't get it.

She's a literal porn star

>I really do wish I could see the gender reversed universe where Shinchan fingers herself until she cums all over her hand, and Oskar tells her "I know all about your fingerbanging fantasies about me. Go ahead and do it like you always do..."
I....I NEED TO DRAW THIS!

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A cute porn star?

Where do you get that idea from?

I prefer the manga, since it portrays him more as the reluctant chad who just wants to be left alone. Anime Shinji is some limp wristed shit.

>it's an archaic concept that only recently was abandoned by progressive countries
Those progressive countries are quickly descending into third world shithole status. There's something to be said for archaic concepts, even if you don't agree with them.

>Those progressive countries are quickly descending into third world shithole status.
Such as?

I'll never get why people give Shinji so much shit when he's by far one of the most productive people in the show. Is it solely the fact that he never fucked any of the girls?

Isn't she aware that Asuka was written by a male, and an otaku at that? This ain't Kare Kano. Asuka and every female character from Evangelion are women as they are understood by a GUY.

Do you not?

Sweden
UK
Germany

For real?

>UK
>progressive
Nope. As for Sweden and Germany, both are still consistently occupying top spots on world's life quality rankings, together with Norway and Canada. It's going to be a while before they stoop to murrica's level. There is nothing to seethe about user.

Brainlet detected.

Asuko

What's constant child abuse scandals when your TIME magazine ranking is still high right?

>UK
>Progressive
I swear to god, some Americans are fucking braindead. Their conservative party is in power, doing conservative things, and has been for quite a while. Don't get all your news from Breitbart just because they used to buy ads on Yea Forums.

I'm inclined to think against it because they didn't draw bandages on her arms in either EoE or the other scene she's in the hospital, just tape to hold an IV in. The varying color of the water from release to release also throws doubt to that being the intent.

It could just be she's in a rusty bathtub, or filling up the water with period blood. It shows how little she cares for herself in that moment since she's usually pretty diligent about hygiene throughout the series.

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Covering up muslim pedo rings on a national scale for the massive racial propaganda movement known as political correctness sure sounds progressive to me.

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It sure does, if you define 'progressive' to just mean 'everything I don't like'.

Child abuse is most prevalent in conservative countries where child beating is still legal.

Hey now, when you look at who is obsessed with bringing barbaric third-world muslims into western civilized countries, it's pretty obvious who is who.

Bruh, that just means she'd have to straddle Mansuka and then rub her cooch over his comatose body to get off.

Meanwhile in bible belt murrica: What's a twelve years old girl who can run faster than her brothers? A virgin.

Ok anons, I'm an oldfag and need some help here.
I watched EVA when I was a kid. By now there's now like 5 different versions of the ending and a new series that takes place later aswell.
If I want to watch EVA again and go up to date including the new shit, what the fuck do I watch and where do I start?

It's clear that it's just dirty water on the blurray release. There's clear water, and then a rusty tub.

Remember that time german women were literally raped en masse in the streets by gangs of cooperating migrants during holiday festivities? Lovely country.

>Biggest child exploitation scandal in the first world
>well check out this joke I have as a rebuttal :^)
Damn, little rotherham girls BTFO

Shinji ain't Jesus, giving him social skills wouldn't suddenly magically fix everything because everyone around him is still a nutcase that shouldn't be left within a mile of a military/mad science compound.

Do you mean the massive pedo ring in catholic church? Anything pales in comparison to that.

Euros don't actually care about rape anymore. They got so used to getting charged with rape for saying hello, that when a muslim drags their daughter into the bushes they just consider that the same as a greeting.

>Biggest in the first world
Wouldn't that more likely be the Catholic Church? That shit was cross-boarder in a bunch of countries. Australia's still sentencing people over it, including a fucking Cardinal that answered directly to the Pope. There's all sorts of fucked up shit going on in the world and it doesn't all fit neatly into politics.

Oh yeah, those damn American catholics. From the American vatican. In American Italy. Fuck thoseething

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I imagined her jerking off at a distance while watching the vegetable body. If she straddles him, then yeah, pretty gross to do a comatose body.

Ah, calling Italy a non-first world country. Touche.

Says the guy from a country with a rapist president.

Did you miss the press on American catholic church pedo ring scandal? Shit was massive. Anywhere the catholic priests go, they must also rape little boys and girls.

>joke's on you the EU has worse child exploitation scandals than that
Y-you too

Worst part was how the church was using its resources to shuffle them around whenever allegations were brought to their attention. The embarrassment to the institution was more important to them, so they just got sent off somewhere remote, maybe in another country, before law enforcement was informed of anything. Fuckers thought it was the 1600s and they were still a power above the state.
>Australia and the United States are the EU
It's fucked up no matter where it's happening, user.

>catholic priests
It's starting to seem more like "any religion with abrahamic roots" in general to me.

Again, how does this make EU inviting a LITERAL rape culture into their borders okay?

Asuka broth.

Shinji does pretty good for a 14 year old kid with his issues in his position. He fucks up, sure, but I find it hard to blame him.

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Yep, but Shinji is the protagonist of an anime, so everyone expects him to become a super badass hero capable of solving any kind of problem because it is what the most common narrative has accustomed us to think.

"Nidome no Jinsei wo Isekai de" by MINE.

Sort of Isekai, but MC, former IJA soldier was reborn after his death in the age of 94.

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You know, call me crazy, but I think I can understand why Koreans might take issue with that.

Literally nowhere did I imply that it revolved around the MC. Saying that he had an affect on her is not the same as saying he is the singular reason everything happened. You're thinking in absolutes because you are mentally ill.

Every character in Eva wants to be loved and understood. Asuka included. If you actually think that her wanting of validation and acknowledgement of being 'the best' supersedes her want for companionship and understanding then you actually did not watch the show and are retarded. It is shown clearly throughout that she is lonely and unhappy when not acting out in an attempt to get acknowledgement. She knows exactly that she wants to have a person to rely on but the major irony of it is she is conflicted about feeling that way, even to the point of hating herself, because it goes against everything she put forth after Kyoko died.
In episode 22, we the viewer see that is what she wants but she still refuses to accept it and instead tries to reaffirm her facade. It's not finally until Instrumentality that we see she accepts and understands that what she has been doing hasn't helped her one bit and she needs to make a change.

You are trying to water her down from a complex character who is defined by the irony in what they want/need vs. how they believe they should act due to their coping method into a simple, one-note character who's only goal is the seeking of validation due to childhood trauma and nothing else, completing ignoring the dualism in almost all of her interactions. To deny she doesn't want companionship at all is you blatantly ignoring large parts of the show to fit your own headcanon.

Seek help.

There was only one Korea back then, as a Japan colony.

Do you really expect a fat tumblr-tier oneahole to think?

Former JAV actress?

>Nidome no Jinsei wo Isekai de

Why the fuck these Isekai must always have female characters only?
Why stories that have equal numbers of male and female characters are the minority?

It's Chinks who had issues with that. Korea was a colony of the Japanese empire back then.
Of course, they had. MC killed a couple thousands of them with his shin-gunto in second Sino-Japanese war.

suppose he was the most well adjusted of the bunch
really says a lot about the tanging, it being an escape of the mentally unwell and all that

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b-b-baka...

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Ah, yeah, I can understand that too. I get that it's their history, but it's real uncomfortable when they start fetishizing the IJA/IJN.

I wasn't arguing that Shinji giving her the dick would magically cure all her problems. The user I was arguing with is trying to argue that Asuka didn't want Shinji to try and comfort or understand her at all, that he was instead merely 100% a puppet for manipulation for her coping method which you would have to be an absolute brainlet to conclude.

the problem with many female characters is that they exist only to serve the protagonist. Often they do not have a personal goal, they do not have a working background, they have no aspirations and there is no "journey of the hero of growth" for them.

So what he says is not totally wrong. Asuka is a good character because he has some characterization layers greater than the norm. And indeed, Asuka would also work quietly as a male character, a Deuteragonist who begins as Shinji's rival. Her personal drama is a parallel story, that can work even without romance . Her being male or female is almost secondary. Another child who tries to fight against the loneliness and fatigue that it takes to open up His/her armor, after suffering bad experiences.

>Every character in Eva wants to be loved and understood
Every character in EVA wants to be recognized for who they are as an individual and be loved for it, all of them fail, and their non-identitarian but collective effort leads to the dissolution of the self for everyone.

>Every character in EVA wants to be recognized for who they are as an individual

Yeah, that's why I said understood

Have you seen TG's house? I think she has some idea.
youtube.com/watch?v=yzvIn0mdXtY

Yes, but I meant to emphasize that this is an important part in their failures as individuals that leads to an outcome without individuality. You could say individuality itself has failed to keep mankind alive.

No, she was on the rag

>EVA is so strong as an anime it turned the VAs into fujos.

And yet in 3.0 everything has become Shinji's fault, because Off screen something happened that we know only through dialogues.

I don't know 3.0 because I watched EVA as a kid and I'm still trying to figure out what the fuck I have to watch to re-watch it in order of what's canon now including the new shit.

Nothing is actually Shinji's fault in 3.0.

Also it was quiet clearly Shinji's fault in EoE.

quite*

>the Seele and Gendo who are the original architects of this mess have absolutely no responsibility.

Misato, why the fuck are you still alive?

Why is anyone still alive, really.

It wasn't a complete impact.

>Ikari "kill them all" Shinji have no responsability

>Shinji "First I cry, then they die" Ikari

I have no doubt that Tiffany Grant knows that Asuka likes Shinji (which is why she answered in character).
But Miyumura is just fucking dense.

It still kind of shocks me that the people that post that don't get that TG was just completely acting in character. How dense can you be?

Yeah, the character that doesn't actually like Shinji.

Reminder that 3.33 is the biggest pleb filter in anime

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And then...

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>...in addition to having the only actual genuinely good mother soul

I guess Shinji and Gendo weren't the only ones that fell for Yui's charade of I'll be the perfect mother\wife so you can be my willing pawns in my ascencion to godhood and you might even live afterwards in a world that was completly fucked up by that same ascencion.

Miyamura has a greater understanding of Asuka then you ever will.

>Every character in Eva wants to be loved and understood
This is what validation is you absolute idiot.
We're validated through our bonds with others. Nothing you said goes against that person's point.
Asuka was written by Satsukawa with a dash of Anno thrown in. He straight up put in scenes written by females like Nobi Nobita into her character and from women's romance novels.
Ever wonder why Asuka is completely shallow and bereft of any depth in Rebuild? Because those people aren't on the team anymore, you just have Tsurumaki left who has no interest in writing complex characters.

Because the validation she seeks as a result of being mature and a good eva pilot is a means to continually supporting the fake persona she puts up. The same persona that she created to convince herself she is perfectly fine living alone and doesn't need to rely on others, which is anything but true.
Also, being loved or understood is absolutely not the same as validation you mong. It's surface level bullshit. If Asuka got praised for performing well in combat, that doesn't imply that the person that praised her actually understands the real her behind the mask or actually gives a shit about her as a person. It's a way to keep her self-worth lofty so she can continue to delude herself that she can live perfectly fine alone, which is just a coping method repressing her very real, human feelings for connection.

Manga Girlfriend arc was canon.

>a good eva pilot is a means to continually supporting the fake persona she puts up
No, she placed all her self-worth on piloting the Eva because she had nothing else. She thought if she could at least be good at piloting the Eva, then it could validate her existence - it could prove she has a reason for being here. It's the same as Shinji and Rei.
That's why she was excited about being an Eva pilot even before her mother died, it was proof that she was worth something - that she was more than just a doll.
>Also, being loved or understood is absolutely not the same as validation
We receive validation by being loved and understood by others. It all falls under this one large category.
Misato receives love and understanding by Kaji and it still makes her miserable, the same would happen with Asuka. It's just a desperate means at filling the holes in one's heart, but it isn't so simple. Misato used Kaji for her trauma with her father and Asuka would use anyone for her trauma with her mother.
We desperately reach out as humans only to validate ourselves at the end of the day. It's impossible to 100% understand and love another (Kaji says) because all humans are fundamentally alone (Kaworu says) - yet they still reach out regardless because it gives one's own existence meaning.

>If Asuka got praised
If she didn't want praise, she wouldn't have crafted her facade as a girl of superiority in the first place. Doing things like going to college at a young age and putting all her skills into piloting wouldn't interest her if she didn't want the praise/acknowledgement of others. She also wants to be understood and loved, but she wants these things too to validate her existence. She wants to be someone of worth.

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Also may I add that being loved and understood by others means nothing if you don't love and understand yourself. It's not a coincidence that every character despised the very core's of their being and were consequently unable to connect with others in a meaningful and healthy way.

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t. Miyamura

It's true: Miyamura put in 20+ years of genuine effort and hard work into Asuka - her voice acting wouldn't sound as heartfelt as it is in her breakdown scenes if she didn't understand the character. Anno would make sure she did.
Her words to Asuka in this post prove how much she cares for her.

To suggest Miyamura doesn't understand Asuka because she debunked your ship is laughable. Asuka has been a part of her life for years upon years before you even watched Eva.

I think what I mostly disagree with is the notion that the validation she receives from being praised or acknowledged by others as a pretty girl, a good pilot or for being mature is necessarily on the same level as the 'validation' you get from being genuinely understood or loved by another person.
While the former helps you feel worthy of existing, it doesn't help overcome the isolation and loneliness in your heart, which is really the center of everybody's problems in NGE. With the latter, yes, you will still never completely fill the void left in your heart even if another person genuinely tries to love or understand you because of human nature, but it is infinitely better than being alone with nobody even trying to understand or comfort you as an individual. In fact, it may even act as a mirror that will help you come to find love for yourself which is the most important core problem there is. To note, this 'love' or 'understanding' doesn't have to be romantic, it can purely be platonic as long as it is genuine and mutual.

In summary, being a good pilot and a mature girl helps keep her self-worth afloat and make her feel like she is worth existing, but it doesn't at all tackle the core problem of overcoming the loneliness and isolation in your heart. Genuine understanding and love, while imperfect, do help to this end. I agree with you on a lot however.

That goes for everybody with any strong feelings for it either way. It's all based on believing Shinji's impression of anything in the movie about manipulating Shinji, mad for what bitches Misato and Asuka became or fingering their assholes about what a nice guy Kaworu is and how the last movie must have been retconned so he isn't lying.

>is necessarily on the same level
It's not and I never said it is, so you're arguing against air here.
Validation is a broad and encompassing term, but it's beneficial to use here because it can be accurately applied to every character in the show as to what they want.
You can get validation from numerous sources, whether it be praise, love, understanding, etc. They're all a multitude of factors that affect Asuka's being.
Being loved and understood is just one of many of these factors in Asuka's wish to have worth and a meaning to her existence.
But the answer we find at the end of NGE isn't to seek others in achieving this, but to come to love and understand yourself before anything else. You can only establish your self-worth and raison d'etre with your own hands, it won't be found solely through your bonds with others - no matter how much they 'understand' and 'love' you. They won't be able to if you don't even understand and love yourself, and this is something you need to first do on your own.
We are already shown through Misato's bond with Kaji, Gendo's with Yui, and so on that these relationships mean nothing if you don't first take the time to love yourself.
So although I agree Asuka wants love and understanding (which are both under the broader category of validation), her main problem with every other character in the show is first coming to terms with herself. And this is what she does in EoE.

>I agree with you on a lot however.
Then you don't need to name call me things like onahole and mentally ill. It's immature and makes it hard for me to take you seriously.

It's already been confirmed by UYCTM that everything that transpired in those 14 years was actually by Shinji's hand. We don't know how or why, but hopefully this will be explained.

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Looks like we mostly agree on everything thematically. I think the only thing we didn't agree on is that Asuka attempted to find that understanding in Shinji to an extent, even if it wouldn't have tackled the core issues she had in loving herself and admitting she needs to be more open about relying on other people (which she finally understands in EoTV).

Okay. I admit that I was wrong.

she's autistic, so yes ?

Cant blame him. Rei is trash so why would anyone want more?