Who has the best advisers?

that would be really creepy and scary
neat

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Ishigami? Leave him to me.

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Kashiwagi >literal who
we may as well include Ishigami on that chart because he told Kaguya about boys that one time

F should back up Tsubame for more chaos.

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Her design places a strong emphasis on her eyes, and her attitude does the same for her curiosity. She'll pull a book right out of a dude's hands, and dig through a friend's room for their porn on her first visit. Despite being a first year like Ishigami and Miko, she knows all about the drama concerning Tsubame's past and everyone involved.

Onodera is an observer, people-watcher, and information-collector who has now found herself on the ground-floor of some juicy drama to be, and is manipulating Miko into kicking it off. Her motives are mysterious and she's hardly known Miko for much time at all. How much could she really care about Miko's well-being?

Kaguya needed her to investigate and watch over Ishigami from a classmate's perspective, obviously.

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why is erika so gay?
DAMN IT

>Onodera longs for hunger games
>Osaragi is legit slut
meanwhile
>Kashiwagi has had only one sexual partner, is faithful to him and probably will marry him in 6-ish months
>Haystack just wants her lovestruck master off her nerves

>Burning her volumes of Kaguya-sama after NTR
Dang Karen is pretty relatable.

Is Prez the only sane and good person in this manga?

Choose your dating advisor

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>Pwez
>sane
AHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHAHAHAHH
good joke

Prez with Ishigami and Maki.

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Maki is the best possible advisor one can have on Kaguya, considering they think the exact same retarded and obtuse way while passing it off as
>she's just tsundere and not a retarded cunt!

Well, Kashiwagi is in a relationship, so her advice would be more solid, and she is naturally a keen observer and a nice friend. Hayasaka is very close to Kaguya, so she understands her enough to get through her stubbornness sometimes. About Miko, Kobachi is her best friend, so at least she cares about Miko and wants the best for her, but Miko's situation is more complex than Kaguya because not only she has personality problems like Kaguya, Ishigami likes Tsubame, not her. Onodera seems like a good friend, but she doesn't know Miko for long, and her advice is more on the bad side. Maybe Kaguya wins.

Hayasaka is the hottest

i'd waifu a Maki

The right one is the only one with experience in long-term relationships.

>ishitgami
>good advisor
he would probably have ruined the relationship, if Prez had listened to him
Maki was right

>tfw no cute female friend that will ask you what sad panda tag are you using, but also would not judge you

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So far, the only sane person in the manga is, uh, Fujiwara's mom? I'd say Onodera, but not after her stone cold drama-fueled IshiMiko push.

Maki is the truly the second Kaguya, but Ishigami, well, being inexperienced in love, doesn't really give Shirogane any good advice, based on chapter 38.

She's /ourgirl/ after all and the most kino

Wouldn't it be the same for Hayasaka though?

Ishigami should ask the President instead since he is dating Kaguya now.

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none, who the fuck takes serious advice from a teenage girl?
hayasaka a best tho.

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She understands Kaguya enough to make her realizing her own feelings and stop her from being stubborn and using mind games all the time. She's only useless when it comes to the dating stuff.

If I remember correctly, Ishigami only talked once to Hayasaka, right?

Prez really likes this spot whenever he needs advice.

People still shipped them for some reasons.

Not even talk, she made him think Kaguya was out for blood and made him turn tail.

Ishitgami doesn't even deserve to breathe in Hayasaka's presence, to be honest.

So, when is Miko going to have a proper long chat with Tsubame?

Yeah but but still, I can see scenario where Kaguya force "date" on Hayasaka, since she wants a kissu and Ishigami can be depressed after shit goes wrong with Tsubame.
Yeah that's what I'm talking about
rude

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Best advisor would either have to be Kaguya or Kashiwagi. They're the only ones so far to get positive results out of their clients using their advice. Onodera is just there to stir shit up for her own amusement and Haysack seems more interested in getting her boss of her back rather than actually offering good advice. Osaragi does her job well as a chihuahua wrangler though.
As for who was the best advisors, it would have to be Ishigami, bar none.

>As for who was the best advisors, it would have to be Ishigami, bar none.
I disagree. Ishigamis advices look good form perspective of Yea Forums user but would probably bomb hard when implemented in real life

>who the fuck takes serious advice from a teenage girl?
A teenage girl?

what is she playing at

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>Haysack seems more interested in getting her boss of her back rather than actually offering good advice.
But she always offers Kaguya good advice, she simply never listens to her because shes tsundere, she's pretty much spent the whole manga telling her to drop the act and be honest, the best advice bar none you can give her.

how would erika react to a headpat from kaguya-sama

brethren and sisters, how do i save maki

I think she would be healed if some random boy would propose his feelings to her.

She's the type who collects information on everyone. She's even the one who told Miko that Ishigami confessed to Tsubame and witnessed her reaction first hand.

Quality control, to see if he's good enough for Tsubame

Imagine Kaguya giving advice though, it would be unbelievably autistic

We need Kaguya giving Hayasaka romantic advice before the manga ends.
And Hayasaka actually follows it because, after all, Kaguya is fucking her own future husband.

Are we talking about Ishigami's advice here or Ishigami's advisors? If it's Ishigami's advice then yes, I agree, but you can't possibly say that Kaguya's advice to improve himself for Tsubame is bad advice that would bomb in real life. She only fucked up when she projected her lewd thought while going gift-shopping together.

Look at how depressed Miko looks.

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I miss Kaguya bros, another week and a half before spoilers.
The real question is, considering the framing of this arc is the character in question narrating the flashback to another person, who will prez and/or Kaguya talk to about their date?

>Miko's Council
>Chancellor: Onodera
>Spymaster: Kobacchi
vs
>Kaguya's Council
>Chancellor: Kashiwagi
>Spymaster: Hayasaka

Which Court would you choose, user?

Wait. This was before Ishigami's "confession" to her. Huh.

Do we actually know if Osaragi knows that Ishi reconciled with Tsubame? We know Onedera suggested her idea prior to that, but what about her? It might seem like a good idea, but that's because we know that he did.

confess to her, and before you do that, make sure that you're as plain and generic as a harem protagonist, and remember to be "kind"

>another break
I thought the Japanese were supposed to be workaholics.

I can't find the page which showed off snippets of everyone's christmas early. Which was that again?

Neither. They all sucks
This

This time it's the magazine going on break.

She probably knows that they did reconcile now, but definitely not when she was at Lino's place

B..Bros the toubunchads are laughing at us yet again, I don't think I can take much more.

Didn't we just outsell them?

tl when?

>caring about the opinions of haremshitters
For what purpose?

>we get a Live movie that might bomb, they already got s2 greenlit.
Honestly, Kaguya is funnier having read both

Soon, probably?

Miyuki

From what I understand they got big names for the actors so it won't bomb.
An S2 is also likely happening.

>more slutty version of Hayasaka
ftfy
but it's Onodera, so it doesn't matter

Hope you're ready to see more depressed Miko in the near future.

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Oh, I am. However, I just realized. That picture was from before Ishigami gave her the heart keychain, and she was still looking all gloomy after hearing he had confessed to Tsubame. I think she may have been tsundere all along.

Where the fuck are my kaguya doujins

Aren't you a genius user

Oh, it's not genius, I just didn't recall how clearly it had been depicted before.

I hope we get pic related at some point.

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I think that's just sympathy
she feels sorry for him

Have a translation.

> Chapter Title: We Want to Talk About the Girl From Firis girls' Academy

> Title: Emergency Meeting
> Now then
> This emergency meeting shall commence

> What's up? You're looking, like, so scary
> You even called Hayasaka-san here...

> This isn't our busi-
> No!

> Something terrible has happened
> Our president Shirogane

> Was alone with a girl from Firis girls' academy
> Like I said, she has nothing to do with this...
> (Oooh...)
> They are speaking to the girl in question

Is that all it is? She's been making that kind of face pretty often lately, and it's always in relation to Tsubame.

> Title: Who is it?
> First we have to figure out who this person is!

> Using my connections, I was able to narrow down the candidates based on physical features such as hairstyle
> The suspect wasn't among them
> Aren't you taking this too far?

> This smells fishy...
> What do you guys think?

> This video I saw of a rampaging elephant earlier was crazy
> Please listen to me!

> Title: Erika's Opinion
> Since the president transferred here from another school
> It wouldn't be weird for him to have close friends he used to go to school with, would it?

> There's no way she was more suitable for the president than Kaguya-sama!
> Don't be so close minded

> Even from afar, I could tell she was a beautiful girl
> I think a girlfriend like her would definitely be worth boasting about

> Well said Kose-chin~!
> What was well said!?

> Title: Something Good?
> Hayasaka-san, don't you think that Kaguya-sama and the president suit each other?
> (hmmm...)
> I mean

> Do you really need to sniff around this much?
> (Yeah yeah!) You do say some good things Kose-chin~!

> Karen's behavior is way over the top
> You're the only one who I don't want to hear that from

> Actually, don't you think that the president and Fujiwara-san are really close?
> Seriously?

> Title: Why it's Needed
> Anyway, we need to verify their relationship...
> If she's really the president's girlfriend, it would mean...

> All this time I've been a foolish heathen spouting ridiculous delusions...
> Exactly?

> To make a fuss about his relationship with another girl when he already has a girlfriend, isn't that the worse?
> If that turns out to be the truth...

> I am... I am prepared to give up on my art...
> (Goodbye my youth...)
> See, even now, I have no idea what you're talking about

> Title: Hayasaka's Opinion
> I was so sure that the president was in love with Kaguya-sama
> If I was wrong, then...

> Well... I don't think you're wrong
> I
> Have someone I like

> Ah, so you're in the president x Kaguya-sama faction, too!?
> Well no- I-

> hm...
> (See, I told you!)
> Hayasaka was still feeling bitter

> Title: Resolution
> So, like, I heard that the president doesn't have a girlfriend~
> Right now
> Is what he said

> Right now... so he had one before?
> Erika was tricked by the monster virgin's bluff

> Basically... that means that girl wasn't the president's girlfriend!
> It's settled, Kaguya-sama and the president's love is true justice!!

> Emergency meeting over! (good work everyone)
> (Sorry for dragging you into this)
> (It's fine!)
> Today's activities: After this, karen spent almost an hour telling these two about her delusions

> End line: It's a good thing they didn't find out.

Next chapter is the end of the 67th student council!

>Erika was tricked by the monster virgin's bluff

Thank you user

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Clearly the highest level of sin. Someone get the Cross, and some nails.

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He's gotten where he is on bluffing and pretending to be a chad, of course people believe him.

Rampaging elephants, sources and intel, Erika being gay, and hea dpats for compliments.
I wonder how Hayasaka hasn't found a boyfriend yet.

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Who are the other advisers?
Ishigami has Maki and Kaguya.
Shirogani has Maki and Ishigami?

Close, but not quite.

Onodera is a physical manifestation of Hayasaka’s desire to lead a normal life created by her stand 「SPACE ODDITY」

So it’s kind of a convoluted Stand, but basically when Hayaka builds up too much stress, while she sleeps Space Oddity, which sort of looks like an astronaut with wings and an air tube, creates a “star child” with the air tube as an umbilical cord. The star child eventually becomes a full grown teenage girl whose personality is developed during Hayasaka’s dreams. This new persona then syphons off some of her stress, which it will experience as mental illness. This is the reason for Onodera’s usual lack of expression. Any star child produced this way can make their body
weightless at will, but only when Hayasaka isn’t stressed out. The girl crushing on the soccer team guy is another star and there are at least three others in Shuchiin alone. Hayasaka is completely unaware of her Stand and has no control over the star children.

I choose Shiroganepapa

Erika is such a great lesbian. She'd make a good gf for Hayasaka

The sacred texts shall burn.

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>Ishigami has Maki and Kaguya.
That's like having one advisor.

A small spelling mistake on the black text bubble (I assume it's supposed to be heathen)

Not anymore, Maki has learned a lot with failure, and Kaguya has learned with success.

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And they are still two autistic retards giving the same kind of tsundere advice.
Hell, Maki is borderline in munchausen mode.

Should I go with "For now" instead of "Right now", to keep it like Jag's TL? I know he made some mistakes, so i'm not sure if I should.

I'll fix it.

Oh no wait, he did use right now prior, and then "For now". Nevermind.

Why is Karen so based bros?

Done. Uploading next.

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Doujins for these two with this hairstyle when

Here:
mangadex.org/chapter/685641/1

Thanks for the translation.

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She's going to be a successful person if she puts half the effort she puts in her shipping in her work.
But damn, just imagine that level of obsession directed towards a single person. Her boyfriend is going to spend his life chained to her bedroom, listening to her delusions about married life for hours.
Kinda hot desu.

She's a good Christian girl but I bet she fucks like she done learned a lot from Satan

Yup, I actually checked Jag's TL for that when I was translating. I like to keep things consistent when I can.

Thanks for typesetting!

thanks mangs
Also I know Karen hasn’t reappeared since she died, but has Erika shown up at all either?

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None of them have shown up in the main manga again yet.

I think we all get a little wrapped up in our head cannons and whatnot when thinking of the series. I don't think that the early pairing of Ishigami and Hayasaka or with Fujiwara were too ridiculous at the time, although in hindsight it isn't that off base seeing the current arc shipping Miko. However, many people were eager to lump the Miko thing in with the other things mentioned.

Onodera was one of the few people that Ishigami didn't blot the face out during his normie arc. She also wasn't exactly friendly with him until it became obvious that he was working towards self improvement. As we all know everyone in the cheer squad accepted him and he regularly interacts with the two girls.

I think everyone puts his pariah status in the back of their mind when discussing Ishigami related issues. He games and is an otaku but he used to get good grades and was athletic before the incident. Others around him that know he's a great guy are probably worried he'll shut down again, which he almost did when he wished for everything to end while falling. He's "our guy" and that includes the depression and anti-social tendencies that used to overwhelm him.

So while obviously Onodera is actually snooping and Miko is tsun about her dere, there's also the "if japan had guns Ishigami would be a school shooter" way people see him and the fact that he doesn't care about how most people see him in mind whenever you deal with him.

Nice pasta.

>Onodera was one of the few people that Ishigami didn't blot the face out during his normie arc.
We see her eyeless at points.

Comfy miko > Ice miko > perv miko

Tsubame>

I'm not sure what your point is, or if you're not just rattling through a list of points. You're talking about Ishigami ships in general, yes?

Then I'll agree that shipping could have gone in a huge number of directions early on. Fujiwara seemed possible as he was the one who could 'beat' her, and it was too early to tell that he'd never interact with Hayasaka back in the old days. Any female character given more focus than usual would seem a good fit.

However, Miko has been pretty obviously tied to Ishigami from her introductory arc onward, though certain events were depicted to suggest that it definitely wasn't anything deeper. Nope. Which is to say, she was literally listed as the "Flip-side Heroine" to his "Flip-side Protagonist", so I'm not sure how anyone missed that except it being translated differently on their pages.

But yeah, people being interested in Ishigami doesn't mean they want to fuck him.

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>Kaguya has a who knows a lot about relationship and her faithful pulls any crazy task she tells her to do while being a good big sister
>Iino has a canon whore and someone we don't know shit
Kaguya not even close

Literally who?

So, Hayasaka do likes Prez

She was just feeling salty cause Kaguya was being an annoying shit about not being able to seduce Prez, and then he blows her off after she tried to make him start anything. That plus, Kaguya's relieved reaction.

Yeah, totally confirmed that she likes Prez. This will totally generate more problems in the future

>Erika was tricked by the monster virgin's bluff
kek
Thanks for the work!

Ishigami is human trash. He should feel lucky he hasn't been forcibly euthanized.

Pretty sure she was feeling bitter about the whole ordeal, and not because she has feelings for Prez. She essentially made a fool of herself just to prove Kaguya wrong, and Shirogane was too in love to be swayed by her generous proposition, and Kaguya then acts like it's a major relief, and all happy.

Couple that with the fact she feels like she's missing out on her young love life possibilities, and feels like it would be nice to be loved just as much.

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Miko's headed for some serious confusion and heartbreak even if she 'wins'. So far, Miko's been consciously supportive of IshiTsuba, more or less. She's lashed out before, but that was either when she was drunk or when she had an excuse that she probably believed at the time. Miko is a huge moralfag, and that's her primary complex. Not being mean to Ishigami, not being horny, and not being a loser.

Why would Miko steal Ishigami away from Tsubame after she realized her feelings? She's not going to be able to lie to herself about her actions anymore, which means she'll be consciously processing them as wrong and immoral. Boys and girls aren't even supposed to be within 50cm of one another, and she's got Ishigami hand feeding her. Hell, Tsubame has been nothing but kind to Miko. Chances are that Miko's just going to get depressed and sink deeper into neuroticism.

Tsubame said no. Miko is well within her rights to take all measures to get Ishigami and she wouldn’t be stealing anything.

she got those advisors recently (at least Onodera) and it is clear that both of them want the best for Miko

Miko's story has just begun, user

I don't think that technicality is going to sit too right with her. I also think Miko's likely going to try anyway, and probably make some chocolate for him on Valentines or something. I expect there'll be plenty of character growth just realizing, accepting, and exploring her feelings.

Miko doesn't buy into the 'adultery of the heart' bullshit. If you ask me, Tsubame is more likely to give up if she sees there's a girl earnestly going after him, while she's going at it so half assedly. Or she could go full yandere and scare the shit out of Ishigami, considering how he reacted to Kaguya.

>moralfag
>also supports premarital underage sex
I'm confused user

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She already cockblocked Tsubame twice. The second time happen when she already knew what happen with Tsubame yet she made no attempt to help fix their situation.
You are giving her too much benefit of doubt.

Chances are she is going to act like a giant baby and complains why it doesn't go like one of her shojo manga.

They're in Japan. Depending on whereabouts they are, how young they'd need to be to count as "underage" could be anywhere from 12 to 17.

Miko's already in a confused state of denial. She doesn't actually support premarital sex, she's just so heavy into denial of her own jealousy that she's forgetting she'd normally be mad about this kind of thing anyway. Or did you think that "congrats" relfected anything resembling genuine sentiment?
>Miko doesn't buy into the 'adultery of the heart' bullshit
Miko knows the technicalities of laws and rules, but that doesn't say everything about her ideals. Ishigami has been technically correct before and she didn't let that pass. My point is just that this whole shitshow is going to leave Miko extremely confused for quite some time before she works things out and gets her head in order.
>She already cockblocked Tsubame twice
Yes, but at that point she could still consciously claim "Not my business, lol". She's not connected all the dots with her feelings yet. After she realizes that she's going dokidoki for Ishigami, she's going to have to consciously process that when she tries to cockblock Tsubame.

As a former discipline officer myself, we couldn't care less as long as they're not in the school premises and not wearing the school's uniform while fucking.

>wearing the school's uniform while fucking.
That come up a lot, did it?

I mean, we're talking about Miko, who would ree at people who were talking about their plans after school.

Which chapter of the main manga did this happen in?

It’s not a technicality. You can’t reject someone and then expect them to stay celibate the rest of their lives in case you ever change your mind. Miko is still walking the path of justice.

Miko is obviously acting out of sorts and has been for awhile now.

うれしいいいいいeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!

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>They're the only ones so far to get positive results out of their clients using their advice.
That one guy got gf by following the president's advice

True, but Ishigami is still trying to get with Tsubame, and things are bound to get awkward at some point. Right now, I'm counting down until Tsubame and Miko have a talk about this shit.

Chapter 58. The one where Hayasaka tries to seduce Shirogane on Kaguya's orders.

I'm confused, because while I know Iino clearly cares a lot about Ishigami, she should also realize how out of line she was at the Christmas Party - to the point of making Ishigami cry. Iino isn't unreasonable, albeit a bit over-bearing. She doesn't ever apologize though, in fact it's like they all forgot about it.

>he didn't realize lino was ishigami's tsundere from day 1

But user, you're literally reading a harem fanfic spinoff

So this manga got axed, right?

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Pretty sure nobody expected him to succeed back then. She saw firsthand how the guy became a shut in after an incident with a girl. She's worried for him.

>Ishigami isn't doing the right way of life, how come he does things I don't think he should do (but manages to get places anyways)?

IINO IS A TSUNDERE

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I honestly thought it was too obvious and Aka was subverting the idea that the girl who hates you secretly wants your dick, even if she was eventually going to want his dick.

YES
2x the dokis

Iino is a fucking homewrecker user.
Thankfully Aka does not condone such behavior, and knows well that ultimately, Iino cannot be rewarded for acting like a bitch.
The btfo is imminent.

It's going to be fun see you claiming you knew it would end that way and denouncing Aka as a hack when Miko wins.
This is going to be TWGOK endgame shitstorm all over again.

She said it was her mistake that caused that situation so she clearly feels bad about it if you're reading between the lines there.

Yes, but the issues themselves aren't gone. They'll just resurface later on in a different form.

I should doublecheck with the raws myself, but she's pretty clear that she shouldn't be credited for saving Ishigami. I think she actually does blame herself for that, but her mind's also been in complete disarray lately. We're also shown that she was right behind Ishigami when he tripped, and he'd already gone down at least one flight of stairs by that point.

The implication there is that Miko was following him for quite some time, saying absolutely nothing because she probably felt too awkward about the whole situation. She should probably apologize, but it's not going to come easy.
You'll eat your words once she goes full dere.

Considering this is Aka we're talking about, yeah Iino is pretty much done at this point.
This isn't a generic romcom user, and the best thing that can happen to Iino as a character is losing the bowl so she can finally grow up and stop acting like a child.
But I guess there's no point arguing with waifufags who care more about their ships than the actual characters right?

>is losing the bowl so she can finally grow up and stop acting like a child.
How does losing lead to her growing up? When has Miko ever acted like the universe was just going to hand her a win? When has the universe ever handed her a win? She's been trying to become Student Council President for years now and never made it. Has losing there helped her grow up?

There's three more fucking months of this shit, so why do you think the character development can only happen at the end? Would not making the necessary changes in order to win be the natural course of development and growth for Miko, who has always been too stubborn and set in her weird ways to ever win before?

That would make absolutely no sense from a story and character perspective. What, Aka has specifically emphasized the bond between these two just to have them break it by the end?

It's hillarious seeing people thinking Miko will lose and that Aka will subvert for the sake of subversion. Pick up a book, will you.

>Needing to lose in order to grow up.
Under that logic, shouldn't Ishigami get fucked as well in order for him to stop being a white knight, since it clearly didn't do the trick the first time? He fucked up as badly as Miko that night. Hell, if you could only grow up by failing, Kaguya and Shirogane would have never been a thing.

I think if Maki changed her hair back to how it once was she could win over Tsubasa.

>What, Aka has specifically emphasized the bond between these two just to have them break it by the end?
Bonds exist in many shapes and Aka himself proved it in this very manga.
Kaguya is a great senpai to Ishigami, Fujiwara is like a mother to prez, Maki is a bro with the boys, etc.
In Miko and Ishigami's case the bond they will forge is that of trust and respect for each other.

>It's hillarious seeing people thinking Miko will lose and that Aka will subvert for the sake of subversion.
Are we reading the same story? The fucking theme of the story is working hard to obtain something that seems out of reach. And just like prez, Ishigami has been doing that for the last dozen of chapters. No reason to think he would give up and go for Miko now.

Don't bother user.
They are still hoping that Ishigami will magically fall for Lino.
They didn't even notice Aka are making fun of them by calling them dreamer in this chapter.

So, how will Miko's arc title "Miko Iino Can't Love" fit into this story?

Stop self inserting into Ishigami. It's gonna be a long race, his feelings have plenty of time to change.

>The fucking theme of the story is working hard to obtain something that seems out of reach.
The theme of the manga is that you're only screwing yourself over if you focus all your efforts into appealing to the other party without considering them. Which is what almost breaks Shirogane the past arc.
Ishigami is doing exactly the same shit, focusing in making himself someone Tsubame will accept without even thinking about what she wants. Shit worked with Kaguya because Shirogane happened to have what she wanted. On the other hand Ishigami is appealing to Tsubame by being a "nice guy".
Go ask /r9k/ how well that works.

Rei with her big fat juicy ass

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kaguya is by far bestest girl to exist
unironically muh waifu

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You realize that Miko is a character who has always worked hard and never achieved her out of reach goal, yes? If hard work was everything, Miko would have been student council president in middle school. How do you expect her to learn and grow from failure when she's done little else but be an embarrassing failure? Her growth has usually been from learning to succeed.

What is she supposed to learn from a broken heart? Shit has never worked out like her shoujo manga, and she knows it's never worked out like her shoujo manga. She wishes it did, she hopes it will, but she's already learned that it doesn't. "Shit doesn't work out even if I put in my best effort" has been the story of her life so far. So, should she just learn to give up?

What can be learned by losing yet again that can't be learned by figuring out how to win?

I don't believe it is big fat or juicy, but it is well proportioned and only adds to my love of her design

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What is this? An actually good analysis on Yea Forums?

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Kek the exact same thing can be say about Ishigami,
yet you expecting him to lose in his pursuit of Tsubame senpai.

Nice double standard from Miko waifufags.

>Ishigami and Iino
>Ishigami and Tsubame
>Yeah, these two have the same relationship

Nice retardation from Tsubame waifufags

He kinda has a point but it makes him also doubly retarded because the same way that Ishigami can grow without failing, so can Miko.
But retarded Mikohaters refuse to accept anything that shows she can win, even if they propose it themselves. They're not even Tsubamefags, they only hate Miko.

cringe shipping arguement

Glad to see more people realizing that Miko losing is the best route for her character development.
And I'm sure Aka knows it too.

>muh everyone who disagree with me is Mikohaters
Sasuga waifufags

Well that's probably because Miko has been raising a lot of loser flags lately.

So has Ishigami.

> Kek the exact same thing can be say about Ishigami,
Not really, Ishigami hasn't "always worked hard". Besides, Ishigami already got his character growth, it's pretty clear that Ishigami and Miko's story is going to be about her growth.

Absolutely wrong.

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this disgusting piece of shit
hopefully Miko does not fall for this

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You know what pisses me off the most about waifufags shipping Ishigami and Miko?
That they don't give a fuck about what's clearly the best choice for Ishigami and what he wants.
They somehow expect Ishigami to forget about Tsubame and fall in love with Miko. That'd be awful writing.

He hates a soccer player too, him and Tsubame are meant to be

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Well Ishigami worked hard to improve his grade, never gave up despite what happened during the party.
You can argue that he didn't know Tsubame enough, but this is obviously what he is going to do now; neither did pres knew everything about Kaguya at the beginning.

On the other hand what has Miko done?
>Maybe if I kept calling him gross at every given opportunity one day he will fall in love with me!

>one day he will fall in love with me!
>what means "Iino Miko can't love"
If you don't know, she still doesn't know what she feels

No double standard at all. I'm pointing out that losing isn't necessary to Miko's arc, and winning isn't necessary to Ishigami's. They both have bad habits that could do with breaking, and there are multiple paths to both.

Working hard is good and all, but this is Ishigami and Miko we're talking about. Hard work alone will most likely not be the deciding factor.

Ishigami's chances will be measured by the approach he takes with Tsubame in the future. As has been clearly indicated by the plot, he doesn't know shit about her and that's not a good sign. Or rather, it's a "loser flag" if he doesn't go on to fix that issue. He says he's going to work hard to get her to like him, but what does that actually mean?

Likewise, Miko's going to have to stop being a bitch to Ishigami and learn to actually be considerate of him as well, on top of actually accepting her feelings. If she can't even change her attitude towards him, she's not going anywhere.
Is this copypasta?
>but this is obviously what he is going to do now;
Is it? So far, Miko knows more about her than Ishigami does. Why was Miko given the background story when Ishigami would have more reaction and make better use of it?
>Maybe if I kept calling him gross at every given opportunity one day he will fall in love with me!
She doesn't even know she likes him.

Miko's goal isn't Ishigami's love at the moment. She hasn't realized that she likes Ishigami yet, so of course she hasn't done much. Although, she's the only one who tried compromising and mending their relationship (chapter 140).

It's yet to be seen what she'll do, she has to discover that she "can love" first.

>Ishigami worked hard to improve his grade.
Because of Kaguya. Aka specifies that part.
>Never gave up despite what happened during the party.
He gives up so hard he almost breaks his neck in the fall. He needed winter break and Miko breaking her arm to get his shit together.
>This is obviously what he is going to do now.
He hasn't even tried. He tried to give her a gift catalog. None of his gifts were even thought with what she would like in mind. He doesn't know jack shit about her despite being in love with her for almost three months.
>Neither did pres knew everything about Kaguya at the beginning
It's not the same. He had to focus first in being in her level, because Kaguya didn't give a shit about anyone. Shirogane did try to get and know Kaguya the normal way but she isn't normal. Ishigami has gone so far as in being alone with Tsubame in a room, yet his image of her still doesn't fit at all with how she is.
-He imagine a cutesy room with a bear plushie. She has a hammock.
-He imagines her pure, she had a boyfriend and wanted to let him fuck her on Christmas.
-He imagines her kind and honest, she lied to him on Christmas Eve.
Mind you, that doesn't make Tsubame a bad person, but it just shows that Ishigami is just forcing expectations on her that she can't fulfill, and he has been in love with her for almost 5 volumes.

>Is this copypasta?
No, and there's still time to stop being selfish and support Ishigami in his quest for Tsubame.
Kaguya supports them, and that's all he needs in order to win senpai.

What do Tsubame and Ishigami even have in common?

They're nice people?

Miko's "love" is delusional (literally).
Being abandoned by her parents made her an attention whore, that's why she even considered dating Prez.
Her "love" for Ishigami is NOT genuine.

Ishigami's reason for falling for Tsubame is that she was nice to him.

Not much, but that doesn't matter.
It's clear that Ishigami will become a better a person if he dates Tsubame, who's been helping him all this time to open up and to trust others.

>Kaguya supports them
Kaguya just supports him
If it's Tsubame or any other girl, it doesn't matter

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He almost kills himself because of something she said.

Yeah and "being nice" was enough for him to change his old shitty attitude.

Ishigami is literally the last person she'd imagine herself in a relationship with, at least normally. Miko isn't lacking in the facts of the situation. Rather, she's got a more complete picture than Ishigami himself. What she's lacking in is the emotional maturity to process everything properly. Right now, the main delusion she's experiencing is that she's not in love with Ishi.
Well, you put that better than I did. We're given a lot of indicators that Ishigami doesn't know shit about Tsubame, and Tsubame's desire to get to know him better reminds the audience that Ishigami hasn't done much in that direction himself. So there's a big warning flag there, that's further compounded by Ishigami being off his observational game.
And that doesn't require dating her.

Has he really changed, though? You show your true self when hardship strikes, not when everything's going your way.

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And that's proof of how much he cares about Tsubame. That's why you should stop forcing him to fall in love with a different girl. It's pathetic.

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>Not much, but that doesn't matter.
Really, you think that doesn't matter? Can two people really be in a happy relationship if they have nothing in common?

Who care about some love myriagon, I care about Fuji!

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God what I would do to her

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>Can two people really be in a happy relationship if they have nothing in common?
Are you autistic or what?

Would you a big Fuji?

>Aka introducing a sad background for Tsubame
Oh-oh!

>Let me predict how relationships with pan out despite having no experience myself

lmao, these people thinking Ishigami will magically better himself. Better yet, thinking Tsubame even cares about him bettering himself.

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Nice projecting.

Aka answered this question long time ago.
Some people should speedread less.

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>has been protecting Miko for literally years
who does he care about again, user?

Having nothing in common is bad if that's coupled with lack of understanding. I'm not even sure whether Tsubame understands the reason why Ishigami felt offended by the sex offer.
You miss the part when she admitted she likes him as well. Both were willing to work towards bettering their relationship. Tsubame is still in ehh.

They do have something in common though: they both like each other.

Tsubame doesn't like him that way.

Right. They were able to find something that they had in common. Which was good for their relationship.

>tfw you can't drop this series because you've invested too many years in it.
It all so tiresome.

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>tfw slutbame is a gamer too
I can expect this

Take off your shipper googles for a second please.
This is worse than people who shipped Prez and Fujiwara in the early chapters. Characters being nice with each other doesn't mean they are in love.

not when this specific interaction is underscored again, and again, and commented on by various side characters, and did I mention underscored again?

Are we reading the same manga user?

>Characters being nice with each other doesn't mean they are in love.
But what about Tsubame? She's so nice to Ishigami, surely she loves him as well.

He was already working to change his old shitty attitude, though. Yes, there being good friendly normies out there certainly helped.
>That's why you should stop forcing him to fall in love with a different girl.
None of us here can force it. That's up to Aka. I don't care who has what in common with whom, or any of this bullshit most people bring up. A compelling argument could be made in favor of anything. Maybe dating Ishigami would be the best path forward for Miko's emotional development, learning compromise and shit. It doesn't really matter.

However, things aren't necessarily going to work out with Tsubame, and people pointing out "lose flags" there aren't "forcing" anything by doing so. If I were to honestly analyze IshiTsuba, I'd say there are some very obvious issues that the narrative very much calls attention to.
>A. Ishigami doesn't really know her at all.
>B. Ishigami hasn't been trying much to get to know her.
>C. Ishigami caught her attention by accident, and those miscommunications at the beginning still haven't been cleared up.
We'll see if these sorts of issues are addressed, or if more stupid shit piles up. So far we ended up learning more about Tsubame in a Miko chapter than we ever have in an Ishigami chapter. Maybe that's not important, but we'll see.

They were able to create* something that they had in common.

It doesn't matter if they had nothing in common.
The relationship can still work If both parties put in the effort that's what Aka pointed out.

They did have something in common before, both were bland as fuck and were insecure enough to ask for advice.
Tsubasa was the average harem MC. Those people adapt to their girlfriends, because they have no personality whatsoever.

And according to you, that's enough to prove that Ishigami is unconsciously in love with Miko? Really user?

I mean, it mattered. It obviously mattered. They spent a whole chapter figuring out what to do about it. So, it's pretty silly to say it doesn't matter.

Sure, you can "create" something you have in common, but it's really finding out something you had in common that you didn't know about. Tsubasa and Kashiwagi's strategy wouldn't have worked if they didn't both like helping people.

>prove that Ishigami is unconsciously in love with Miko

In love? No, I never said that. But he clearly cares about Iino a lot.

Though, there is credence to the idea of "the one who was by my side was truly the important one". Toradora had a similar plotline.

Fortunately for us, Aka doesn't take inspiration from garbage romcoms like Toradora.

dunno man...

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>likes Ishigami because he gave her the attention she craves
It's sad, isn't it. Of course Miko's parents are to blame.

Yes. The only reason he doesn't know much about her is that he didn't have the guts to approach her directly- it's not that he ignores her personality.

I know he likes Toradora. He drew some fanart and mentioned it in an interview IIRC.

Didn't she blush because she remembered the bonfire? Where he recognized her efforts and did something nice for her for a change?
It's not just a matter of attention.

So they said of St. Chihiro, breathren. But the Day of Miko, too, shall come.

Source?

So let's imagine the impossible scenario where Miko somehow wins:
>Tsubame's trust issues get even worse, her school life ends with two failed relationships and fucks off to college forever

Personally, I don't think Aka's gonna do that to Tsubame.

I'd like some source on that. The only thing I know is that his favorite romcom is school rumble.

If she were as heavily invested in Ishigami for him to be able to shock her to that extent, she wouldn't have rejected him.

Or to sum up my point. both Ishigami and Tsubame don't know one another. Ishigami isn't a dude bold enough to publicly confess to his crush and risk rejection, but merely bold enough to confess when his crush is literally trying to fuck him. On top of that, Tsubame is assuming there's a three month deadline that Ishigami doesn't know shit about.

As others have noted, it's also pretty clear that Ishigami's mental image of Tsubame doesn't match her at all. He doesn't know jack shit about all this normalfag drama that's very important to who Tsubame is, and it's Miko who made the friend who has access to that info. Ishigami hasn't even thought about needing to get to know her yet. Other people have already brought up the gift catalogue, something 2chan was talking up in contrast to his prince-like cool attitude.

I don't think Miko is the only one who acts in a delusional manner. Ishigami sometimes borders on chuuni. He literally switched pronouns on the stairs to a cooler, more manly one, when he dropped his cheesy line on Miko.
You do realize that Tsubame isn't forced to go out with Ishigami or that she'll think it's the right choice after getting over her issues, right?

I remember some interview they translated here a couple of years ago.

Welp, pack it up boys.
We have a winner.

media.comicspace.jp/archives/3753
natalie.mu/comic/pp/kaguyasama/page/3

He only mentioned School Rumble here,

It's not really a failed relationship if it never started.

Well fuck me, my life has been a lie.

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But if Prince Ishigami doesn't ride in to heal Tsubame's broken heart, who will? And how could they not get married?

I think it's Negi from Gotoubun that mentioned Toradora

>MC with zero personality/dreams/social relationships that doesn't involve the girls.
>Best girls going to lose.
>Girl who deserves it the least on the lead because muh author.
That explains a lot.

just like Miko, Taiga is a great character

Remember when this manga was good?

It was good up until Aka gave us every possible characters perspective in the Festival. That action really make the kissu confession lose steam for me.

Remember when this copypasta was good?

Ishigami declared his devotedness to Tsubame again and she was obviously flustered by it.
If Ishigami go back on his word it will make him look like a total dick.

>zero personality/dreams/social relationships
damn it's like they're still high school students
>best girl going to lose
Mikuj fag detected
>deserves it the least
yes that's how relationships work. you "deserve" someone's relationship.\

the state of tsubameniggers

Yes, last time you asked.

For some reason, when reading this shit, it feels like Tsubame is being treated purely as a passive or reactive force who needs Ishigami and the only way her issues could be dealt with is by dating him. There are ways for her to get over her breakup without that.

yes, and that is called forced drama
tsubamefags likes forced drama but the good thing is; Aka do not like that

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How do we fix this manga?

Y'all can fuck off right not, Ishi has to end up with best girl Maki

Leave ishigami to me.

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With best girl Hayasaka arc.

Granted. We get Haysack arc, but its all forced drama.

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Not really, if he keeps pining after her forever he’ll just look pathetic.

What happened to -fag?

When did /pol/ seep so far into the rest of Yea Forums? What’s the point of a containment board that doesn’t contain anything?

I dont know, I like that I can see different perspectives in one setting, kind of giving me more insight about different characters instead of just focusing on one or two and forgetting the rest.

Since 2016. Makes me miss the times when the rest of the internet thought everything Yea Forums was Yea Forums.

Would certainly help if people stopped being so autistic over what someone happens to ship

Don't listen to me; I'm just on otter unwillingly along on Aka boring ride.

What the fuck are you on about? They are both used, but nigger is what people will resort to if they like it less. Quit trying to derail the thread with your /pol/ bullshit.

MIKO IINO WIZARD VERSION

youtu.be/D8d1Svpxa80

>Miko was the best girl all this time
I KNEW IT

The real answer is Aka completely doing away with this retarded subplot.

But that ain't Luna

>implying Toubun or Kaguya will ever outsell anything in WSJ

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What would Kaguya's reaction had been if she ended up wrong?

They literally sell more than half of the currently running manga there? What kind of dimension do you live in where WSJ manga are automatically the best selling series? Have you looked at the numbers at all?

>implying the numbers wont change dramatically over time

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>neither did pres knew everything about Kaguya at the beginning.
He had a much better understanding of her than Ishigami does for Tsubame. As the Iceguya arc showed, he figured out the core of Kaguya's character pretty early on- that she avoided others to avoid hurting them, and that she tried hard to be kind despite her originally bad personality. He didn't know the details, but he always had a good grasp on what mattered most, and that's what he fell in love with- the real Kaguya, not some delusion.
Ishigami and Tsubame are completely different. He doesn't know anything about her beyond her being nice to him, and we know by now that there's a lot more to her than that. He pretends to be just like her other friends because he assumes that's what she'd like, and is completely blindsided by every little thing he learns about her (her love of horror, Tsubamenese...). The Tsubame Ishigami loves is a complete delusion, and it remains to be seen how that'll come together with the girls' character arcs.

should Kashiwagi be the right hand of Kaguya?
mmmmh

Would Tsubame even like the true Ishigami then? Wouldn't she get turned off from his gaming and anime/manga hobbies?

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When and how? More than half a year has passed and we have the sales for last month, nothing has changed.

It’s not like those things are secret, Miko is always scolding him for doing his hobbies in public on school grounds. So at the very least it isn’t disqualifying. I mean she said she wants to try all sorts of different things to see what’s interesting.

I mean, he always seems to have a good time hanging out with a normalfag like the Prez, like at the aquarium and the other culture fest, so I’m sure he can show her a decent time.

That said, I’m still a Mikofag so I think they are ultimately doomed.

This can't be true, that's impossible

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It's Miko's fault for her own delayed victory.

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But Prez is not exactly a normalfag. He likes manga and games, and goes with Ishigami to buy consoles and shit. He just can't take it easy like Ishigami because of Kaguya being the most high maintenance girl in the world.
I can see Tsubame being able to get into videogames and some genres of manga, but definitely can't say the same for Ishigami getting along with her group of friends. Good people they may be but they're still normalfags. Being dragged from a party to the next would get tiresome very quickly, especially for someone like him who was a shut in for half a year.

Prez can't afford to spend money on games, the only time he gets to is when Ishigami invites him to.

Wouldn't a Nintendo Switch be a good thing at normalfag parties? I know normalfags are normalfags, but couldn't Ishi gain good reception from something like Mario Kart or Smash?

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Yes, once or twice, and only works when everyone in the party is male.

>The Tsubame Ishigami loves is a complete delusion
Stupid comment.
While it is true that Ishigami doesn't fully know about her,
it doesn't mean that the aspect that made he fall for her isn't real.

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>tfw thought women would get interested in having fun that way even though itd only work once or twice like you said

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Yes but it's only one aspect. Ishigami just isn't ready to accept all of her. Unlike him, Shirogane was able to accept Kaguya at her worst, while Ishigami ran away the second something went awry.
Some differences can't be bridged just by 'growing up' you know.

If the main group is filled with normalfags, like Tsubame's friends, there only needs to be one person that complains loudly about videogames and nobody will want to play them.
They can make Tsubame play if they force her to be in a group with Miko, Osaragi, Fujiwara and her club. Only if she's in the minority or alone with Ishigami. Which won't happen because of how sociable her whole group is.

Ishigami just doesn't want a false love or meaningless sex, I doubt he'd turn her away aside from that one moment she pierced his armor.

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Pres knew about Kaguya because he was the first recruitment into the student council and the Ex-President likely told Shirogane all the intel he gathered on her, seeing the Ex-Pres was scouting Kaguya, Chila, Momo, Maki, etc

The point isn't that he rejected her, but that he ran away. If it was Shirogane and Kaguya, he would have confronted her right there, explained he disn't want that and that he'd still not give up on her. Ishigami chose to close his eyes instead.
Sure he did the right thing later but it the point stands that he ran away because he couldn't stomach the difference. And we know now that it's not the only issue with Tsubame.
Imagine for a second that they start going out, then his ex appears and says he wants to be together again, and that for whatever reason, Tsugame isn't assertive enough to tell him to fuck off immediately after. Would he break down again?

Not really.
Shirogane fell for Kaguya the moment he saw her jumping into the river.
Knowing about her Iceguya persona comes later.
>Ishigami ran away the second something went awry.
He came back stronger and that's all that matters.

Depends on how self confident Ishigami is, it's one thing to protect Miko, but you're right in that I doubt Ishigami would be assertive enough to tell her ex to back off if she wouldn't.

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Past experience would indicate he would fly into a blind Hulk-like rage and beat her ex within an inch of his life.

Do you not remember this is the guy who literary blacked out with rage when an affront was made on a girl he wasn’t even dating? What do you think he would do if it was his own girlfriend?

That said, none of this matters because Miko’s got this on lock. Miko banzai!

Ishi has grown since then.
Kaguya and Shirigone have his back, So flying into a rage probably won't happen unless he Witnesses something, in person alone.

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What is this succubus planning?

>the femdom pose
oh my

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I want Kaguya to step on me

>keks who can't understand that a relationship is more than just sex
Yea Forums after all these years you are still a virgin faggot

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Are there chapters when the 50/50 Kaguya started to show up? I remember a page where Hayasaka tied her hair for the first time but i don't remember any chapter where she started warming up to Miyuki prior to that. Or is it only shown in that one panel when Miyuki jumped into a pond to grab some handkerchief

It is and it isn't You can have a platonic relationship without sex and some people are capable of having one like that also, but those people are kinda rare.
If sex stops in a relationship it can be quite damaging, unless its mutual.

I'm not saying she a slut.

You are speaking of a relationship that has been established and went on for a while. Tsubame and Ishigami haven't even been a couple yet and people are clamoring for sex.

Platonic relationships are called friendships, and they happen to be quite common believe it or not.

In a doujin, Ishigami would have just fucked her so so hard that she fell hopelessly in love with him, but I’m not sure that works in romcoms.

those are an amazing pair of LIES desu

>that was the implication.
However, was referring to some couples who have romance without intimacy
People tend to want sex in every romance manga recently. Wonder when the 5toubun threads will be flooded with people saying why hasn't he boffed Itsuki

4D chess
Can't wait till she destroys ino and slutbame

How many are tentatively in the Presbowl now? 4? 5? 7?

>sexing a hippo
please user, don't do that

The Pesbowl? Just Fujiwara, I think.

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Prez is Kaguyasexual now

Its the Hippo who will win though, thinking anybody But Itsuki is like thinking Pres won't end up with Kaguya

I'd waifu a Maki

I thought we were all in agreement that the reason Tsubame wanted to have sex with Ishigami was because of her insecurities and trust issues (that's why she asked him if he liked her first).
It was a mistake, but it's just proof that Tsubame isn't the one-dimensional side character with no chance of winning, like some "people" thought.

I thought the butterfly hair girl was in the lead there?

on polls? its Miku but Itsuki won in the very first one-shot basically. other characters weren't really designed save her.

Yeah. There's a reason why I'm not considering this in terms of who could be argued to "need" Ishigami more.

I honestly don't think Miko needs Ishigami much at all. I just think it's the sort of situation that would put her through the wringer and squeeze out some juicy character development along the way. Her main issue has generally been forcing her ideals without taking other people into account and being considerate of them. Skills that her present infatuation with Ishigami could net her. Not to mention, it's really mostly that it'd be funny to see her act like a total autist the whole time.

With Tsubame, I think she needs to get over her trauma, or else it won't be a very satisfying story, but that's pretty much all from my perspective. I'm just not sure how broad and flexible an IshiTsuba dating dynamic could get. And post-healing Tsubame doesn't really need to date Ishigami either, and doesn't need to date him or have a perfectly functional and smooth relationship with a pure prince in order to heal. That also sounds a little one-sided and boring.

On Ishigami's side, I think it's harder to figure out what he needs. Giving up or closing his eyes would be the wrong thing, but trying hard isn't everything. Ishigami has mostly blindly stumbled into what success he's had so far, and from his perspective it's mostly been Tsubame approaching him. He's usually been too much of a pussy to approach her himself, no matter how big he talks or how cool he tries to look. Ishigami doesn't actually even know why Tsubame pulled him aside for some fuck. Are Ishigami's eyes really open? He doesn't seem to have a very clear perspective at all, and I don't want his success to be rooted in dumb luck and misunderstandings.

>isn't the one-dimensional side character
The more powerful the enemy you defeat, the stronger you yourself will become.

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Is this bait? Miku is barely even relevant.

>when your rival has had more meaningful interactions with more members of the main cast than you in the last 50 chapters

Miku basically wins every poll.
and in the one-shot Miku basically had zero design. Nino had a bit, as did the other two. but Itsuki is going to win

I honesty hope that Aka didn't pull "she's still virgin, because her ex doesn't fuck her yet" card. I meant I can see some retarded author would pull something like she was getting cheated because she refused to have sex with her ex (look at how she adored the myth about confessing in the festival would make their love eternal, and imagined she was her sibling. They could pull the fact that she was keeping her virginity until marriage used that chapter). And then she somehow likes Ishi and she thought that maybe if she allows him to have sex with her, something like her previous relationship wouldn't happen again.

You honestly think Nino isn't going to win this? even with "oh my Kintarou-kun" or Raiha's bracelet?

Wait,
>will not pull*
My bad.

Literally what the hell would be so "retarded" about that? She was probably a lot younger when she had her first boyfriend and they often take their time. It's a teenage relationship ending before sex is neither unrealistic nor uncommon.

That's EXACTLY what's gonna happen and you know it.

Ice kaguya is the very definition of forced drama.

>the usual suspect trying to make this a thread about another romcom
I like Ishigami's courage in venturing into new frontier, even though he's scared.

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The only other named person in the manga that has expressed interest on him, actively ships him with Kaguya.
There were probably more girls, but they most likely were silenced by Hayasaka.

so Karen is out of the running completely then...

>Thinking Tsundere chan has a chance...
Nino is going down faster than the Hindenburg

No please no.

maybe the meta says Itsuki, but Fuu-kun says Nino

Pretty much. Before the confession, the only one who had something resembling a chance had she tried to go for it, was Hayasaka.

She's still a side-character, but she was never going to be one-dimensional otherwise she'd be a complete waste of space and time. However, I think it's been pretty clear from the start that Ishigami hasn't had the right perspective on the whole scenario. None of his hard work actually got him anywhere with Tsubame, none of his effort led to anything. He never gained the confidence to approach her.

He accidentally confessed to her in a language he doesn't understand, and she has been the one approaching him ever since. She was the one who came to him to fuck and came to him to apologize. She doesn't realize it yet, but she's been the initiator while Ishigami has been too much of a pussy to make a move.

>because of her insecurities and trust issues
Which will spiral out of control and might get into yandere territory now that Ishigami has to spend all his time at school with Miko.
I'm looking forward to it.

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Why does nobody do the "Leave him to me" meme with Hayasaka saying that about Prez using that scene where she puts her coat over the karaoke room door?

Tsubame misses soft bed from love hotel with her ex.

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since when shes basically had nothing with him since the bakery

what exactly do you really think was the reason for Fuutarou publicly stating that he and Nino had some form of relationship?
this isn't really the place for it but toubun threads have become almost unbearable and they've been that way for a long time.

So cute (and pure).

Your student council President is in love with this Egyptian-looking person. What are your thoughts?

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I swear we've had this discussion all throughout the week but only now has it gotten really cancerous. Saturday threads suck.

I know this is a shitpost but I wouldn't consider her interaction with Kaguya all that meaningful.

>toubun threads turning into trash...
yeah there's a reason Stopped going to them, and huh. see your point.

You think this is bad? There's no chapter next week. Things are going to escalate.

That seems to be the most logical explanation,
but knowing Aka I wouldn't surprise if he do the opposite just to dab on purityfags.

Cool Ramzes

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>all that meaningful.
But it exists.

I'd say we don't exactly have room to talk but Kaguya threads have been decent for the past two weeks at least. The break will ruin that like it always does but it was fun while it lasted.

i miss karen

I mean I guess, it's not a good argument regardless but I suppose that's true. It does indeed exist.

They only get super bad during weekends desu, during break weeks the people just stop making threads eventually.

Yes. People process relationship trouble differently, there's a difference between "I'm leaving you forever" and "I need some time to process this on my own".

Not yet, it's mostly been his perspective.

is this series worth reading? or should I just wait until it eventually gets completed?

It's a bad time to read it now.
Give it another few months and wait until
it is pass the Ishigami drama arc.

It's getting the Axe soon due to low sales numbers compared to it's competition (Toubun and Nisekoi)
I'd say read it next month when the final chapter is released but go in knowing that your reading one of the worst manga ever made and a joke of a "Romcom" that has neither romance nor comedy.

We missed you too, faggot. Finally given up with the kusokari shit?

>Fire Force that high?
Anime bump? I'd barely even heard of it beforehand.

Hayasaka is top adviser. Don't you get the feeling the manga going to be over soon?

Yeah, it's a good manga with a strong sense of continuity. Good enough that people get heated up when things don't go as they want.
Having said that, you'd better avoid the threads if you read it. They had become cancer since the anime aired.

Since when Iino and Onodera are friends? I was kinda shocked that Miko invited her to her home. Rei also called Miko without any honorifics at Tsubames party.

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Sorry user as you can see the series is drowning in shitposters at the moment, yes the manga is very good and worth reading, I'd say just get into it now since while we have an "end goal" we aren't anywhere near there at the moment.

>He came back stronger and that's all that matters.
Did he? He responded well, with some cool dude talk, but initiated nothing. Just like before. It's always Tsubame who has to come to him, and I think that makes things a lot easier. That accidental confession has netted Ishigami a lot of momentum.
They've been hanging out and talking lately. Rei was the one who told Miko about Ishigami's "confession", so it stands to reason they've been friends ever since they worked together getting permission for the bonfire.

>initiated nothing
He was interrupted.

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I'm saying that Tsubame approached him, not the other way around. He didn't look like he had much more he wanted to say either, merely confusion at Tsubame's response.

>ever since they worked together getting permission for the bonfire.
And people calls her Stacy character. Stacy tier characters would never help with organising shit like bonfire.

She's a snooper and a gossip is what she is. Occasionally a meddler. She seems generally curious about people and isn't averse to prodding them for reactions. She was pretty rude to Miko in our first installment of Cannot Love, until Miko actually got really excited for something.

Fuck why did Tsubame have to ruin this whole manga, Aka had such a good thing going before he completely destroyed the integrity of this manga with that disgusting character.

>approached him
Because he run away from her so fast that she couldn't tell him something.

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Yes. And she's approached him almost every single time after his accidental confession. Ishigami's been running on dramatic momentum from that one incident, and he doesn't even realize it.

So, who the fuck is the faggot who keeps tweeting to Aka about what a slut Tsubame is?

Based

Maybe. Still think it's going to be Itsuki, since she'll be the last to realize she likes him and is the "first" girl. Previous harems have convinced me she'll win, but I'll be pleasantly surprised/happy if she doesn't.

Itsuki is to be expected. If Nino or Yotusuba win instead, I'll be happy. If Miku wins instead, I'll be okay with it. If Ichika wins instead, then I'll be shocked.

Probably another mentally ill Mikofag
Who else?

Seems more like a troll to me. Looks like all their other posts are shitposting at gotoubun author. Last I asked about it, someone here took credit.

Miko was a mistake, she brought the waifufags to this manga.

but now everything is changed. Since she is more no longer need to go to school it's all about him to find a way to keep interacting with her. If his mistress allow him to do it we will see his determination to pursue her.

>dat manga title
aka wants us to to speculate about her motives. Personally, i think she likes him, but its more like the way a cat likes things, playing with her favorite toys, and looking 75% of the time like she doesnt care (but she definitely does).

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Why do you think there's no chapter next week?

>we will see his determination to pursue her.
We have seen his determination before. He's chickened out most times unless she made the move.

>do you like the socially challenged guy from another world
>this chapter, Onodera says: we live in different worlds, huh?

Magazine is on break.
Pretty much this. Kaguya and Maki can't babysit him forever.

Isn't it was a week or even less since his confession. Give him more time.

Hopefully Aka understands what a mess he made with that fucking cumdumpster of a character and in turn removes her from the manga for the foreseeable future.

When the bassist shit happened with Aya Hirano, it wasn't her haters who called her a slut but her former fans.
If he's not trolling, odds are he's a former Tsubamefag who still feels butthurt.

>Magazine is on break.
Oh right, because it's Obon week. I guess that means no 4koma, either.

You mean his Christmas confession where she literally had to be on top of him, or the one he did by complete accident? Because he chickened out on the one he wanted to make, and that was despite Kaguya encouraging him and Shirogane arranging things to keep them busy.

We have known that Ishigami was in love with Tsubame since april last year and threads have been alright, with people many people rooting for that ship and others hoping Ishigami doesn't get too broken because we thought he was aiming too high. A month ago Miko started getting more focus and threads go to shit.

Who's at fault?

>Pretty much this. Kaguya and Maki can't babysit him forever.
Half my point. Ishigami is both relying on his friends and his good fortune to have accidentally confessed in an incredibly bold and romantic manner that he would never have had the guys to pull off like that. Ishigami only developed the courage to confess when Tsubame is practically already in his fucking pants, and she approached him. She's been approaching him every single time, regardless of her perception of things.
I'm pointing out the warning signs. Tsubame's interest in him was sparked by something he never actually had the courage to do, and which he probably still wouldn't have the courage to do.

I would like you to consider if it's easier to forgive someone who comes to you than it is to go to someone and apologize, unsure of how they'll take it.

In this arc, I think Tsubame has been a lot braver than Ishigami, even if she's fucked up pretty fucking hard.

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Shitposters desu, some of it is obsessive mikohating but I've been here too long to think a lot the more autistic shit said in these threads is serious.

Unfortunately, the Mikofanbase consists mainly of braindead waifufags, namefags like Michlan, Bananilla and fans of haremshit like 5toubun and Bokuben.
It's not surprising that threads went down the shitter after her forced subplot with Ishigami started.

Or to put things simply, Ishigami has been coasting on the success of a version of himself that doesn't exist, merely responding to the consequences of an event he is entirely ignorant of. That will have to be addressed eventually because that's not who he is. Not yet at least. Maybe he'll eventually grow into that kind of total Chad, and there'll be no difference between the real him and the false impression Tsubame has. Maybe things will get cleared up and Tsubame will realize that the real Ishigami isn't that brave, but still decide to go out with him anyway.

However, there's a certain ironic twist to this scenario. The Ishigami that Tsubame sees is a far more idealized version of him than the one who Miko sees. Miko's not the one seeing a confident Prince. She's seeing gross condescending pathetic Ishigami, but who has his moments that she wants to experience more of for herself. The delusional Miko is finally seeing both the good and bad in Ishigami, even if she has no handle on her emotions, with most misunderstandings cleared up pretty quickly. Miko knows that her "heart" was just some trash Ishigami picked up off the floor.

Tsubame is seeing a way cooler version of Ishigami than the actual. The misunderstandings that support this false image remain firmly in place. Unlike Miko, she's not aware of the true nature of the heart given to her.

The contrast between those two "confessions" is actually quite intriguing. Miko didn't get the big dramatic moment, but there was some mutual understanding.

>the bassist shit
That's a weird way to put it, because in fact nothing happened between her and the bassist.

Yeah but it's easier to say than "everyone but the bassist".

I'd agree if this were true. Unfortunately both sides are full of retarded anons and shitposters that like to think they aren't doing what they're complaining the other side is. Funny how that works don't you agree?

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>Who's at fault?
The anime. Your memory must be really selective if you think it's only just now gotten bad. The discussion to shitposting ratio is objectively much better now than everything else post confession. But I guess it's easier to cope with believing that it's Mikofags who are the problem when you can literally see that it's her haters who are stirring up shit and jumping at shadows like

Tsubamefags aren't bad. Because they're either silent or too few of them. The problem is that Miko has been the target of a very vocal and obnoxious group of shitposters since she was introduced. The Mikohaters don't try to argue, just insult her with the usual 'waah, she's being mean to my self insert' and start shitposting harder whenever someone calls them on their bullshit.
A key difference is that a Tsubamefag says 'Tsubame will end with Ishigami because reasons.' While a Mikohater just shitposts 'Tsubame will win because Miko a shit.' They also falseflag as Makifags and Onoderafags. They don't care who wins, they just want to see Miko lose.

Tsubamefag
>intelligent and mature
>recognizes that everybody has different tastes and respects it
>high IQ and quality posts
>cares about Ishigami's happiness and wants his first love to succeed

Mikofag
>ISHIMIKO OTP!!!!
>TSUBAMEKEKS BTFO
>Miko should end up with Ishigami because she can't function without him!!!
>I want to mating press Miko!
>*image spamming*

The shitposting during and right after the anime ended was nowhere near as bad as it's been last month and this month.

I unironically agree with this bait.
Mikofags are one of the reasons people shit on her on a daily basis.
They're just too obnoxious.

Are you serious? We have the waifu wars outbursts between Mikofags and 'AnyonebutMikofags' from time to time. But Chikaposting and redditshaming made the threads from the time the anime aired downright insufferable.

>Aka this
>Hacka that
>Aka Aka Aka Aka Aka
Can you all please talk about other stuff that isn’t Aka? This is getting so annoying and it’s making me angry. Aka is so fucking shit and I seriously can’t understand how you don’t get tired of talking about him without ever stopping. What about Negi? What about Tsutsui? WHY ARE YOU IGNORING THE OTHER MANGAKA, ITS NOT FAIR. Akafags are the worst, I hate them and I hate Aka. Aka a shit. A SHIT.

>Mikofags are one of the reasons people shit on her on a daily basis.
Either you weren't here when she joined the cast or you're talking out of your ass. Mikofags literally wouldn't exist if it wasn't for your incessant shitposting about her

Miko thread

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>Mikofags literally wouldn't exist if it wasn't for your incessant shitposting about her
This has to be bait, right?

>replying to shitposters
You're not helping.

It's a half-truth. Miko has had a lot of haters for some time now, and disproportionate hate leads to people defending a character. Defending a character leads to faggotry over said character.

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reminder that haters overreaction for every little thing is normal in every manga discussion

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Pres learned to swim after that time he couldn't save the other girl from drowning, neat. What's the story with the ribbon, thought she only wore it after falling in love but here he has it before the moment she did fall in love

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But doesn't Prez avoid the beach because he can't swim?

Moeha also has a crush on him, but even if he and Kaguya hadn't become a couple right after that reveal, she'd still be too hopeless to be considered a competitor. Kaguya won before the series even started.

what if Moeha is like Nadeko

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Yes. He probably almost drowned there.

She'd get so BTFO'd she'd go and become a mangaka with a shitty haircut?

snake

He still can't swim. They never went to the beach last summer because Fujiwara fucked off to Hawaii to get dicked and both were too autistic to ask the other part out.

Remember, the handcuffs are still in play, when will they show up?

How does any 17 year old not know how to swim?

He needs Chika's training.

Too poor to take lessons?

i'm 22 and don't know how to

He had money when he was a kid, and parents tend to teach their kids the basics at least.

Dude, learn how to swim. What if you fall into water some day?

I'm 28 and still don't know how to swim, either. And this after I almost drowned in a pool a few years back. An inability to see a future for myself might be part of my reasons.

>tfw learned to swim at age 6 and began swimming with the big kids shortly after

These look like traced 3d models

Hayasaka is the best maid anyone could ask for.

Has this been translated yet?

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That was me.
Sorry.

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Maid, best bro, older sister.
Her relationship with Kaguya is so well done, Osaragi and Onodera just can't compete.

So, what gift did Kaguya give Pres at christmas? The one she told him to open at home and Ishigami helped her pick.

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a box of condoms

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A Switch?

Shirogane has a bigger bowl than you think.

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nice

Thanks.

Why do fanartists seem to like ishimiko so much more than the main pairing of the manga?

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The power of self inserting

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Shippers are extra autistic when it comes to pairs that don't actually like each other.
>they hate each other therefore they love each other
Shit's a stupid fucking mindset. Even if one is clearly a tsundere on a timer to defrost it's stupid if they both don't have interest.

Landwhales self-insert as Lino

Literally the same reason as Miko. Self inserters.

Just finished my first reread. In the last chapter Ishigami left Miko to "go check on the student councul room" which currently might still be being guarded by Kashiwagi and inside Pres has just told Kaguya he loves her. Is he about to walk in on something outrageous?

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the power of the canon and true ending

As enjoyable as Prez and Kaguya were, it was like we were entering a race where the juicy part was over, leaving mostly a clear road ahead. Ishigami and Miko is enjoyable because we get to see the exact moment they're getting interested in each other, which we only had glimpses of with Kaguya.

They went off to eat while Kashiwagi guarded them, a good amount of time passed already, so I kinda doubt it. Unless they've been snuggling all this time.

After the dust has settled I'm glad the intelligent ones amongst us are in unanimous agreement that Tsubame is a huge whore and a complete waste of ink.

No one likes Ishigami and Miko user. They'd make a horrible couple. Most people here don't want her to win because we care about what Ishigami wants, and he wants senpai's full love.

She's still gonna win though, specially after her sad backstory.

>No one likes Ishigami and Miko user
It's honestly 50/50. Both sides have reasonable arguments hidden in between the shit flinging.
You think they haven't? Ishigami will have to do his best to pretend he didn't notice them being all over each other.

Can we please get back on track and discuss the heart of this manga: How will the next Ramen King Showdown go? Right now it's Fujiwara 1-1 Ramen Kings.

Do they? There's plenty of art of the main pairing, I think. But there's also this point. IshiMiko is a lot more exciting, a lot more tense, with higher stakes should you choose to get emotionally invested. Prez and Kaguya were already guaranteed from day 1. It was just a countdown. Ishigami and Miko are a shitstorm in motion and Miko the clear underdog in this setup, and it's still too early to get a feel for where the wind is blowing.

How will Miko's attitude shift as she gains self-awareness? How will she express her affection, and how will her perception of Ishigami change? How will everything triggered by Ishigami's accidental confession to Tsubame pan out? How will the false impression of confidence from that be resolved? Will Ishigami coast on good luck or change his approach?

These are just a few of the deciding factors.

>implying it wont be some throwaway reveal that's never acknowledged properly

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>Miko the clear underdog
Literally the opposite.
Every readers pretty much expected Miko to win anyway which makes IshiMiko so boring.

I don't mean in meta terms. I mean in the internal logic. She's the pathetic emotionally stunted tsundere womanchild lusting after a dude who is going for the cheerleader, and the cheerleader is hardly unresponsive.

Explain all those people in the past four threads claiming that Miko has no chance, then.

Aka finally realized that haremshit is far more marketable than vanilla autism

Read it then drop it once you realize the title doesn't make sense anymore

If it were truly haremshit, there would be Tsubame fanart as well.
Face it faggots, Tsubame isn't nothing more than a plot device.

*is nothing more than a plot device.

But there is. There's one piece of art of Ishigami fucking Tsubame in a dream before Miko wakes him up and starts sniffing the air, commenting on a smell that she kinda likes. Because Ishigami jizzed himself.

you guys told me romcoms were popular in japan but there's not a single romcom in top 20 most doujins at comiket this year.
even kemono friends is more popular than kaguya and 5toubun

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Yeah, she's a plot device for Miko's character development when Miko loses the bowl.

It's the same shit year after year, with FGO leading by a mile, then Kancolle, Im@s and Touhou, followed by Love Live and gay shit. Why are you even surprised?

>cheerleader is hardly unresponsive.
The cheerleader approaches him though especially after she realises someone wants him. I meant in her mind, she thought Ishigami already confessed her (he didn't) but somehow she saw Miko approached him in Christmas party, of course she was getting jealous and getting PTSD about the time when she was getting cheated on. That's why that scene happened and she fucked up.

FUCK FUCK FUCK TOUBUN CHADS ARE LAUGHING AT OUR LACK OF PORN!

I'm not sure what you're disagreeing with. Circumstances make it look like Ishigami has a legit chance with Tsubame, and isn't much interested in Miko as a romantic prospect. The deck is pretty heavily stacked against Miko, or at least appears to be. Ishigami at most has said "not no" to the idea of dating Miko if she didn't hate him and has had a half thought that she smelled nice.

Lads where are the spoilers im dying over here

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come back next week

You quadruple nigger, established franchises/mix media stuff always get more djs than most stuff. Dedicated and established staff pumping out content = more engaged and dedicated fanbase = more fanart and djs

The only real time romcom had presence at Comiket was during the days of Ranma.
Afterwards, it branched out into mainstream anime and games of the season whatever that was, got hit hard by Touhou and then finished off with gacha.

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I thought the same thing

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The Chadest one!

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Miko a cute

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tsundereception

Frustrated and confused girls are adorable.

So I've been rewatching the anime without Yea Forums threads polluting my opinion.
Holy shit it was fucking good. Why do you faggots drag down everything you touch?

>cockblocked Ishigami because of her ugly jealousy
>acted like a bitch to Tsubame after she invited her to the party
>hurr durr why aren't you talk to me like your crush after I called you gross and shit
>people and the plot treat it as "cute"
Fuck off

Before this thread dies, recommend me something to read or watch during the 1 week break

see ya in a week

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It's pretty fucking cute because you know she's suffering and won't admit why, and making things worse for herself.

>Touhou is 4th now
It really is reclining, huh.

>acted like a bitch to Tsubame
slutbame acted like a slut in front of her
Miko's reaction is justified

Sure thing Onoderabro, stay classy.

Haven't followed the games in years, but the fact that their primary source of doujins still are the games from 6 to 12, means that ZUN never managed to keep pumping popular girls.

depends when his ideas of frilly and hats will run out

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