i wish he wouldn't have returned in part 5
I wish he wouldn't have returned in part 5
Ian Hughes
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Adrian Rogers
>a part of him was afraid to ask Jotaro for help because he didn't want to risk the chance of him getting Avdol'd/Ziggy'd
;___;
Liam Peterson
Part 5 has better fights and interactions than it does actual story content.
Polnareff felt shoehorned in. He should have been introduced a bit earlier, after Bruno and the rest became traitors.
Dylan Cooper
this. if you actually take a look at all the characters the only well-written ones Bruno's gang minus Giorno.
Hudson Mitchell
Almost every part after part 3 shows us the final fate of the remaining stardust crusaders.
Part 4 - shows the final fate of Joseph
Part 5 - shows the final fate of Polnareff
Part 6 - shows the final fate of Jotaro (as we knew him from part 3)
Part 7 - Shows us an alternative ending for Dio, THE WORLD.
Sebastian Ramirez
Doppio and Diavolo are well written.
Jason Taylor
Why would Joraro in Part 3 be effected by Pucci’s nonexistence?
Zachary Ortiz
This, i think he should've been more of a mentor to the gang, kind of like Jotaro was to the guys in Morioh
Either that, or i think his role should've been replaced by pic related, once the gang betrayed the boss.
Nathaniel Cox
Why? His confrontation with Diavolo is one of the best parts of part 5.
Jackson Hall
Nero suddenly becoming good would be far worse than Polnareff’s reappearance.
Isaac Cox
Agreed. At the end, Nero's fucking surrogate family is entirely dead. Even if their goals aligned at that point, Nero would want nothing to do with the group that killed all of his folk.
Ryder Russell
He's not the same Jotaro from part 3. He had to have made some different choices in his life, the most apparent being still in contact with jolyne and jolyne's name change
Jose Torres
Diavolo didn't feel too great.
'The Boss' and King Crimson however are fucking fantastic.
Doppio deserved better.
Christopher Lopez
Nah he wouldn't suddenly become good
I think it would've fit as a "the enemy of your enemy is your friend" type situation. Like, once the gang betrays the boss, Nero confronts them and basically says "Ok so i still hate you for killing my gang, but granted that was in self defense, and my passion for killing the boss is greater than killing you. If you figure out the Boss's identity, i'm going to let you in on a secret that could defeat his powerful stand." They would still be at odds and still intend to fight each other after the boss is dead, but right now they need each other, but their wills still clash. Then only as the story goes on over time they warm up and gain respect for each other, maybe after Nero sees the gang's members getting killed, and feels empathetic since he too lost his own people.
Nathan Carter
All of that happened after Part 3.
Xavier Perry
See? It’s a dumb fanfic.
Elijah Martin
Polnareff's main trait is his pride, which led to his downfall. It was fitting. Sad, but fitting. He had balls, too bad he's in a turtle now, but at least he's not dead dead.
Connor Brown
What if Joseph kept Wamuu alive and took him to egypt in part 3? Other than Vanilla Ice who could stop him?
Brody Wood
Its better than: Polnareff returns literally out of nowhere, saying he knows how to defeat the boss, but immediately dies before the gang even encounters him, but then returns again, but as a turtle this time, explains the mcguffin to defeat the boss, then disappears again for the final fight with the boss, only to return after everything is done with giorno even saying something like "oh right, you're still alive" and he is still somehow the turtle even though that defies logic.
Its like while writing part 5 Araki suddenly thought of the cool analogy of the stairs with polnareff looking down at diavolo and the parallel with a similar scene with Dio, and only included Polnareff for that one scene.
Ryan Lewis
That’s better than: Making a super evil guy who wants to kill the protagonists suddenly agree to team up with them and eventually become their friend.
Jose Reyes
>but at least he's not dead dead.
>Stone Ocean exists
Sorry bud
Thomas Martinez
This. Pt5nareff sucks and lacks the traits taht made us love pt3nareff
Chase James
>lacks the traits taht made us love pt3nareff
Licking toilets?
Bentley Thompson
?
He was unnafected by MiH unless a roof fell on him.
Ian Howard
He wasn't super evil and wasn't trying to kill the protagonists, but he was trying to get trish
and no, its not better than current part 5, hell, it was just a suggestion
Gabriel Sanchez
Why did Fugo not come back? It felt like Araki set it up for Fugo to come back during final fight and the anime did it even more so with him sensing Narancia's death. It felt like a loose end especially with Giorno eventually becoming his boss.
Michael Ward
>He wasn't super evil
He kills people for money.
Joshua Reyes
You realise MiH still erased the entire universe and recreated it right? The Jolyne in the new universe is the same shit as Johnny potentially pulling another Gyro from D4C, it's not the same Jolyne, she's already erased and reborn as a different soul.
They're dead Jim.
Charles Adams
>hyped for best stands return
>he appears once and dies in the first fight
>has a redesign that got rid off his cool eyes
Ryan Ross
so do bucciarati and the gang in a way
Camden Miller
How?
Aaron Hughes
They're in the mafia dude
Bucciarati's first appearance is him trying to assassinate Giorno
Easton Ramirez
Cuz he was fucking broken, also it stands to reason after Man in the Mirror that everybody (sans Trish but I'm sure Giorno could fix that) was immunized against Purple Haze, if the gang had fought him in the colosseum Diavolo woulda been proper fucked
Brandon Moore
And that has anything to do with Polnareff or anyone not killed by Pucci because?
Nathan Foster
It's just strange to me. They played up his loyalty to Bucciarati and emphasized his ties with Narancia and it felt like it went no where.
Xavier Anderson
because he's also dead, everyone fucking died jim.
Jayden Perry
Still more of a dignifying death that the slow nerfing of Joseph
Also
>Becomes arguably the most powerful stand in the series
>Only reason was defeated by King Crimson is because of the bullshiest "Araki forgot" moment when he just didn't use his ability to partially control stands and let King Crimson punch a hole trough his small sun
Aaron Diaz
Because of his retard monkey brain logic that arrived him at a completely ass backwards conclusion.
Landon Lewis
Speedreader subhuman trash.
Cameron Jenkins
>Diavolo actually gets finished by some hobo junkie instead of being straight up killed by GER
Would it make ending better?
Jason Russell
Literal brainlet too retarded to understand a kids japanese comic book.
Nolan James
Autistic shitposter.
Jayden Russell
All of that is Diavolo.
Landon Cox
>autistic for understanding basic concepts that were explained clearly
kek get dabbed on brainlet
Jaxon Taylor
the sun
David Young
Not real sun energy though. And even then he could just become invisible using his wind.
Brandon Foster
I mean, at least Joseph has aging as an explanation.
Also while chariot requiem is fucking cool, i still wish we had seen more of him, and that Polnareff would've had the same dignity.
Leo Morgan
Why didn't he get robot legs like Stroheim?
Grayson Thompson
Fucking retard.
Nolan Hernandez
What would his stand be?
Ryder Wood
it made sense for his character he had a 152 iq and because of that he knew betraying the boss would be suicide and he was right
Was it made hastily at the last minute? Yes.
Chase Watson
Fugo was going to come back to job to Giorno but Araki scrapped it.
Logan Sanders
Him getting a stand would only make him vulnerable
Isaiah Williams
Fugo turning traitor makes no sense in general, the gang is already immunized against Purple Haze, and he's smart enough to realize that he stands no chance against them without his virus.
Lincoln Hernandez
He'd be at a disadvantage if he can't see them, unless pillarmen fiat and just ignor the rule.
Connor Murphy
You're missing the point.
Diavolo up until he was revealed in the form we know him as, that was the version of him known as the Boss, and by extent, the emotion and ferocity of his stand King Crimson (which I'll get to later).
As 'The Boss', Diavolo exerted a much more menacing and dominant presence on screen and on paper, effortlessly brutalizing Bruno. Each shot we get of him is nothing short of fierce. Even in Doppio's head we hear him be as calculative and menacing as ever.
King Crimson, during both this time and when he's in Mista's body, exerts that same ferocity but also desperation and emotion through King Crimson's face - Something we hardly ever get from a Stand.
Doppio is a different character. He may share Diavolo's body but he is not Diavolo. To which he was done very well, but could have used a better ending for him where he did more than just die in Bruno's body.
Finally, there's Diavolo; who, upon being revealed, loses much of his appeal from a strange design choice from what was earlier depicted (although not a bad one), but also his demeanor being interrupted by frantic undoing of his qualities and contradicting himself. Didn't help that his body got snatched like 3 minutes after he was introduced, too.
Hudson Walker
Or he can just go straight for the stand user but knowing Wamuu I doubt it.
Ryan Diaz
Lifeforms that survive the apocalypse made by MIH simply are carried over to the next universe without harm. If they basically survive the time acceleration and its effects people would be fine I'm pretty sure. The point of MIH was to make everyone learn of their fate and become at peace with it, not judt kill everyone
Andrew Watson
Polnareff is a ghost though, so I'm curious about what would happen to him.
Gabriel Thomas
No, not because he was broken or too OP. It's because Araki was going to bring him back as a villain but he didn't want to kill him off because of personal reasons or what was going on in his life
Elijah Cook
Same. But he was the best thing about P5 so it's okay I guess
Liam Davis
Honestly you could get some creative fights with him using his wind powers to detect stands and having to think strategically around them.
Caleb Hernandez
What if his Stand has other kinds of viruses in other capsules?
Kayden Harris
Now I want to see him taking care of Shizuka.
Oliver Morales
>Speedwagon in pt.2
>Joseph in pt.3
>Jotaro & Joseph in pt.4
>Koichi & Polnaref in pt.5
Literally their only function was to provide continuity.
Eli Turner
How does that make any sense. when would the gang be immunized to his vrus?
Justin Barnes
adventures of young polnareff and okuyasu when
Leo Foster
>Speedwagon in pt.2 is there for the whole story
>Joseph in pt.3 is there for the whole story
>Jotaro & Joseph in pt.4 are there for the whole story
>Koichi & Polnaref in pt.5 only show up for a few scenes
Really goes to show how bad Part 5 is
Isaiah Bailey
Okuyasu is Avdol's son.
Austin Watson
Also, better OST and openings too. In my opinion Part 5 was kind of bland but all JoJo parts are good.
Robert Williams
Stand damage is only reflected when it's aimed at the arrow.
It would probably be like "cheating" if the Stands attacked their owner for aiming at the Sun. It's very obviously a designated weak point.
Brody Martin
>upon being revealed, loses much of his appeal from a strange design choice from what was earlier depicted
It suits him well and only adds to the appeal for me.
>his demeanor being interrupted by frantic undoing of his qualities and contradicting himself
His quality of being intimidating? He’s forced to face so much bullshit in the final arc, and he still does his best to be intimidating.
Oliver Cooper
Samuel Morris
I think Giorno is well written.
Not being stand out doesn't mean a character is poorly written.
Dylan Robinson
It makes sense. Around the time Joseph and Avdol came to japan he bred some random whore.
Nathan Ward
Gavin Martinez
This is a pretty good post. The last parts about Diavolo are very true.
Levi Sanders
Also would explain why he's half black.
Nicholas Rivera
Isaiah Nguyen
His stand is literally gibsmedat.
Daniel Murphy
> He's forced to face so much bullshit in the final arc.
Honestly, Vento Aureo's entire final battle has entered a weird state for me mentally. I'm not so sure if it's better or worse now that I realize it was pretty much a huge fucking coincidence. But I'm leaning toward worse.
Isaiah Jones
These are all facets of Diavolo. He's a dude who tries to project an image of oppressive superiority to hide his insecurities and when he's forced to be completely out in the open he's as cowardly as Doppio.
Oliver Morales
Grayson Sullivan
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Yikes
Levi Ramirez
>reddit spacing
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Christian Adams
Just because it says horrible doesn't mean it's true
Ian Sanchez
>worst boy
Kayden Brooks
Im sorry you didnt get it
Jaxon Ramirez
Giorno literally did it during the mirror fight.
Where'd you hear that?
Aaron Myers
Araki: There was one part in this fifth series I absolutely had to delete though. An episode I couldn't write at all. In my head, the story went that between Mista, Narancia, Fugo and Abbacchio, there would be a spy working for the boss and betray Giorno and Bucciarati. At first I had decided this traitor to be Fugo, but I couldn't do it. My state of mind was so dark that the stories I wrote were becoming more and more evil, but in my heart I was starting to hate this behavior as time passed. Also, my heart broke just thinking about how Bucciarati would feel. I absolutely can't understand betrayal from a trusted friend and this is why just thinking about it physically hurt me. I would have accepted any criticism saying that I "hadn't had the guts to do it" as an author, but I assure you I couldn't write that episode no matter what. Maybe Giorno would have had to kill Fugo then and I'm sure this would have given a really bad impression to my youngest readers.
Noah Gomez
why couldn't giorno heal his body so he could leave the turtle the same way giorno did with narancia
Sebastian Adams
It's strange to me that big mangas like this can just be shifted so effortlessly at the last minute. I guess Araki has enough clout to do whatever he wants but every bit of Fugo's appearances in the series had set up for this confrontation and he cuts it presumably last minute because he still laid all the groundwork for it.
Kevin Morgan
Not really. This is a decision he made before Fugo even left.
Ryder Baker
Araki makes up Jojo as he goes along, there are probably hundreds of changes like this that we don't know about because he never mentioned it.
Jackson Myers
Araki forgot.
Connor Brooks
When I first read part 5 I really did get the vibe of Purple Haze being a villain stand and had a feeling it would end up hurting an ally.
I guess I was almost right.
Nathan Robinson
I mean most mangaka "make it up as they go along" especially long-running series but the Fugo arc is a really blatant peek at the seams of production for this series. It's absence is VERY noticeable. I struggle to think of another instance like this in the series because Araki seems pretty methodical about resolving arcs, whether you like his resolutions or not.
How do you know this? Also, why would he continue to seed Fugo's arc with these plot points (like below) and not divert it if he already scrapped the idea earlier?
It's ally-harming potential and Giorno countering it seemed to imply this heavily.
Cameron Johnson
I liked Purple Haze Feedback, just because it actually did something with the character who mightaswell never have been in the story to begin with
Parker Martin
In the full commentary he follows up by saying "This is what lays behind that farewell scene in Venezia,". So the whole idea of Fugo staying behind was a result of the traitor plot being dropped. It wasn't that he was supposed to leave and come back.
Nathan Smith
I don't think he had it as well planned out as you imply. In the interview he said he also considered Mista and Narancia to be traitor candidates.
Angel Bell
>bring back one of the most likeable crusaders from part 3
>horribly cripple him and put his soul into a turtle
Polnareff deserved better
Lincoln Gray
>yikes
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