KyoAni

Can anybody explain why VEG is so highly regarded?

From what I got from it, it’s a character piece primarily focused on Violet overcoming her traumatic experience in the war and the many people she meets along the way. The problem is, it doesn’t do enough of either to make you invested in the world or its characters. Everyone in the story is forgettable and doesn’t have enough screen time since it‘s constantly introducing new characters every episode. This straight up leaves people from its supporting cast ignored completely.

It skips right past developing an interesting cast of characters to make you respond in an emotionally resonant way so it loses all meaning and punch. What you’re left with is the most basic form of drama that above all else, is just plain boring. I just don't see how it can measure up to other works of kyoani.

Not bad. I still think Euphonium is mediocre at best. Mostly forced MELODRAMA out the ass

Yikes.

Just KyoAni fans that overrate it. Normal anime goers see the mediocre writing and characterization that heavily plaques their most of their LN shows.

>no true scotsman
Cope.

I loved the first season. the second season sucked because of the characters with the least amount of relevance to the story got 4 whole episodes of dumb drama

VEG is only deserving of the S rank if you go by wasted potential.

>liz
>D
Yare yare

liz aint as good as hibike lol

Forgot Kanon, which would be comfortably C/lower-B tier in my opinion

Somebody doesn't understand the concept of empathy and how simple yet powerful it can be when executed correctly.
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>Can anybody explain why VEG is so highly regarded?
I want someone to explain to me why is VEG so widely despised. I mean, there's a lot truly bad shows out there but people gets triggered by VEG in particular. Why is that?

> the concept of empathy
It's not empathy when the shows literally tells you when you should feel sad
>how simple yet powerful it can be when executed correctly.
But the execution is objectively bad which I already explained

Great: Hyouka
Decent: None
Trash: Everything else

Probably because there were two VEGfags that couldn't stop spamming and shitposting about VEG for over a year long after people already had stopped talking about newfag

>From what I got from it, it’s a character piece primarily focused on Violet overcoming her traumatic experience in the war and the many people she meets along the way. The problem is, it doesn’t do enough of either to make you invested in the world or its characters. Everyone in the story is forgettable and doesn’t have enough screen time since it‘s constantly introducing new characters every episode. This straight up leaves people from its supporting cast ignored completely
I assume you're around 20 and thus completely missed such nip-french classics like Remy and Candy Candy. VEG's narrative runs in a similar vein it doesn't spend too much time with the same group of characters outside a very small core cast and takes the MC through several different places full of different people with different traditions and circumstances. It's less about the characters and more about the stories and their messages.

I had a nice return those times when anime used to tell interesting stories without relying on action nor worrying too much about background. After KyoAni's tragedy I hope some other talent takes the batton and keeps bringing back these type of shows.

It's ok user, you had a rough childhood. Everything is going to be daijoubu if you take it one step at a time.

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No Kyoani shows are below B tier. You also oviously did not watch anything you rated D. K-On and Haruhi should be A. Silent Voice replaces Liz in S.

>But the execution is objectively bad which I already explained
You only explained that you don't like the way it's fine. Not why is "bad".

>No Kyoani shows
Suck that dick user. Suck it hard.

You lack psychologoal organ required to percieve VEG properly. Its ok, not all people are born equal.

I also hold Hyouka in high regard but come on.

>Fumoffu anywhere but top
>disappearance anywhere but top
>VEG anywhere above the bottom half
>Kyoukai no Kanata at the same level as Haruhi, K-on, Lucky Star, and Nichijou
I am having a hard time agreeing with any aspect of this.
Just a proof that only retards makes tier list

>I assume you're around 20 and thus completely missed such nip-french classics like Remy and Candy Candy
I don't see how my age is relevant but I have read Candy Candy.

>VEG's narrative runs in a similar vein it doesn't spend too much time with the same group of characters outside a very small core cast and takes the MC through several different places full of different people with different traditions and circumstances. It's less about the characters and more about the stories and their messages.
And it simply doesn't work because it's so poorly handled. Stories and messages lose a lot of weight when the characters portraying and telling them are characters you don't care for.

>I had a nice return those times when anime used to tell interesting stories without relying on action nor worrying too much about background
How is this relevant to my post? There's plenty of episodic anime if that what you like. It simply didn't suit a series like VEG.

I had a very good childhood growing up in middle class Norway thank you.

Yes I did, at least try to read my post before deflecting.
>It skips right past developing an interesting cast of characters to make you respond in an emotionally resonant way so it loses all meaning and punch.

VEG anime is dumbed down version of novel that litterally spoonfeeds the character and plot and there are still autists that can't get it.

Imagine if it was adapted as it was - not in chronological order, witholding detais and intentionally misguiding reader and being a puzzle picture that you assemble to discover in the end you assambled it wrongly

Anime is straightforward as fuck, and still too deep for most people who can't percieve anything under the surface and ignore most of the relevant things thinking its episodic or disjointed while everything in it is for purpose.

>whole post is "it's suppose to be bad" and "it's 2 deep 4 u"
Why write so much about so little?

>VEG anime is dumbed down version of novel that litterally spoonfeeds the character and plot and there are still autists that can't get it.
And that is part of the problem, retard.
>Imagine if it was adapted as it was - not in chronological order, witholding detais and intentionally misguiding reader and being a puzzle picture that you assemble to discover in the end you assambled it wrongly
This might have made it at least somewhat interesting.

>And it simply doesn't work because it's so poorly handled. Stories and messages lose a lot of weight when the characters portraying and telling them are characters you don't care for.
That's sounds like it has more to do with your personal taste than with the execution. I loved lots of those one shot characters and stories

>It simply didn't suit a series like VEG
How so? It makes wonder what kind of expectations you had about the show. Maybe you just wanted the story being about something else and you're bummed it didn't went your way.

>Norway
Ah, autism. That's unfortunate.
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Seriously though, you seem to lack the empathy required. I'm no psychiatrist but when even normalfags cry over a japanese cartoon called VEG and you don't feel a thing there might be something wrong here. I don't know user.

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>Not developing characters is a flaw
It isn't. It's a narrative choice, just like the shows from the golden era of dramatic anime. Kids these days don't want to use their imagination and want every single detail explained, geez.

>just like the shows from the golden era of dramatic anime
Like what?

>Seriously though, you seem to lack the empathy required. I'm no psychiatrist but when even normalfags cry over a japanese cartoon called VEG and you don't feel a thing there might be something wrong here. I don't know user
Yeah, user sounds like the kind of person who drowned kitties as a kid for fun.

Remy, Heidi, Candy Candy, The Robinson Family, The Dog of Flandes... The list goes on.

>That's sounds like it has more to do with your personal taste than with the execution. I loved lots of those one shot characters and stories
One shit characters and stories are fine on their own if the genre is right. Have melodramatic moments that wants you to feel sad over the characters you want to actually know the character or it's no difference from showing a pic of a sick dog. Sure, you feel for it but it's not really good writing. It's just cheap tricks hence why I said earlier that he basically tells you when you should cry which is just too obvious attempt at emotional manipulation.

>How so? It makes wonder what kind of expectations you had about the show. Maybe you just wanted the story being about something else and you're bummed it didn't went your way.
Kind of went in on this in my previous answer but one shot characters and stories doesn't suit a story that heavily relies on making its audience have a sad emotional responds. It has to resort to cheap tricks to achieve that.

i agree with most except for dragon maid. it should be mid/low a-tier at least

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>Kind of went in on this in my previous answer but one shot characters and stories doesn't suit a story that heavily relies on making its audience have a sad emotional responds
Jokes aside, you need to watch more anime. Like seriously.

There is a show that is direct VEG analogy and probably inspiration and its Emma

I have cried plenty of times over anime. Especially during the time when Clannad AF aired, I think I cried every episode. No need to try to take the such a weird high ground instead of discussing my point.

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I have been posting on Yea Forums since 2007 so no, I think I have seen plenty. Nowadays I read mostly manga however.

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To be fair I've seen plenty of interpretations for what the story is telling you. Learning to love, 'learning' empathy, forgiving yourself, silver linings, self determination, all of the aforementioned, etc.
Maybe it's not that straightforward.

>VEG that high
Haha.

People make a lot of interpretation for even the most retarded shows out there. It means nothing.

>Cried with Clannad
>No response onVEG
I see, Clannad broke you so hard there are no more tears left inside you.

>I think I have seen plenty
>Started on 2007
No, I think you haven't.

More that I actually cared for the characters in Clannad since they actually had more than one episode of screen time. Having to watch +30 episodes of a series before the really heartbreaking moments helps keeping you invested in the characters a lot. I do acknowledge its flaws however.

I was just teasing you baka. VEG didn't work for you but did for me and that can't be helped. I don't need entire seasons to empathize with characters dealing with tragic losses, episode 10 of VEG hits me harder than all of Clannad AS.

great response.

Anime is just comming of age story of a child named Violet Evergarden. Regardless of nove and the stories of individual tales, from directors perspective of Ishidate its a story that should make you feel like parent watching your child grow up.

switch VEG and K-On
Switch A Silent Voice and Fumoffu

normalfag input coming through

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I see the same problem as your other comments. You think a long development is mandatory for a story to provoke strong emotional attachment. It certainly helps but it's not an unbreakable rule. If that were true Hayao Miyazaki's movies would be all flops.

more than you mallet

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Post 2000 seasonal filler doesn't count.

damm it, i am downloading VEG bd rips again. Fuck you

I really wanted to hate VEG but I watched it and it turned out pretty good.

Jesus you watch things for the sake of watching them.
I'm struggling really fucking hard to reach 800 because I keep dropping stuff.

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A movie is about 2 hours. An episode of anime is about 20 min, if you remove the ED and OP.
That is 6 times longer.

I'm on my third rewatch on Netflix. Loen episode is just as fun and innocent as the first time I watched it.

There are good anime movies that are compilations of short moving stories, you know.

You were already retarded for wanting to hate something before watching it, and you proved your retardation by then liking VEG.

>If that were true Hayao Miyazaki's movies would be all flops.
I don't see how you think it's valid to compare a movie to one/two episode arc.

That's what I'm talking about. It doesn't mean shit how much anime you watch if you don't enjoy it.

I only have watched 60 anime
But I have read hundreds of LNs and 98 VNs which are about 20-30 hours on average

In the amount of time spent on developing characters. According to user (assuming you're someone else), he needs to see a character develop for 30+ episodes for the emotional reaction to have a payoff at all. By that logic no stand alone movie ever should be able to get an emotional response unless it's like 6 hours in length.

That's just how the director wants the audience to perceive the protagonist, it says nothing about the message(s) of the show itself.

Sorry for being late, but i'm here to save the day, yeah, I haven't seen the anime of the girl with glasses yet.
>Take on Me next to Love Story
>Second Raid next to Phantom World

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Nope, I'm the same one. I never said I need +30 episodes. It was just an answer to why I felt an emotional response to Clannad and not VEG specifically. Don't take what I said out of context.

A movie is often between 90min to 120min long and doesn't have to worry about being episodic. That's plenty of time to create a proper set up and for you to get a good enough understand and feeling of the characters involved. It's not comparable to the one episode COTD characters and plots in VEG.

Subscribed.

Aannnd the thread got derailed because of Violet.

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There was no thread to derail. It was a bait thread.

>FMP that high
>Hyouka next to PW
Fucking hell.

>That's plenty of time to create a proper set up and for you to get a good enough understand and feeling of the characters involved. It's not comparable to the one episode COTD characters and plots in VEG
I think it is. Specially in compilation story movies. One shot short narratives are a thing and often produce interesting results. In the 80's but specially in the 90's there were interesting or cool stories told in just 3 episode OVAs.

I enjoy mostly everything I'm watching, but I admit my taste variates more now and generally more accepting and shittier than it has been when I just started. I couldn't watch SoLs, now I get that comfy feeling of just observing cute art, cute girls doing peaceful things. I couldn't stand mecha and then I had my robot's in the space phathe when I was marathoning Gundam and Macross like there is no tomorrow. Also I like trainwrecks since Code Geass and that shows where authors fucks with the audience since Endless 8 so you can get that opens huge amount of shows for me to enjoy. I do skip soulless and generic stuff, it also became harder to watch shounens (I mostly drop them, but sports are still fine, idolshit is fine too since it's basically sports with singing) and isekais.

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>fumoffu not being one of the best comedies in anime

3 episodes OVA can be amount to basically a movie length.

>opinions are now considered bait
I hate this generation so much.

Regardless if it's up or down I'm seeing VEG paired up with Tamako Market too often.

I enjoyed VEG a freaking lot. Does that mean I'd like Tamako Market?

True but they're episodic in nature unlike a movie. Take Gunsmith Cats for example the story doesn't even have a proper introduction nor conclusion but it's quite entertaining and pretty well done for it's time.

They're polar opposites.
Not that this says much, given how VEG is opposite to pretty much everything the studio made beforehand.

No, but starting with
>I think we can mostly agree on this.
Definitely is.

Every single VEG story works, because it touches the specific emotional string in people`s soul.

There is an unadapted novel chapter, Groom - where you probably woudnt like, focus or be interested in character involve at all. But still would have strong emotional resonance in the end because you too have Parents, you too grew up and probably distanced yourself from them to a degree. The warmth, the guilt, the love - every emotion it makes you percieve is your own.

You don't need to know full life story or any details about people to be emotionally involved, its not about them, its about You.

Some situations in anime and novels resonate differently with different people - some situations there are fictional for one, while reality in their lives for others, neverless VEG manages to find the common ground and touch the strings of thing that makes us human. Thats, if you are one.

The emotions displayed and anguish of characters should resonate with your own. You should have expirienced every of them at least once. (ironically, thats what happens with Violet herself - she lacks empathetical connections with people. Every emotion and every tear she sheds happens when the situation resonates with her own circumstances and she can project it on her own. Everything she experiences is through a prism called Gilbert).

You'll get pretty much the same content from both except that Tamako have more moe.

KyoAni stuff usually tries to differ from past installments so that's no surprise. VEG, Hyouka, K-On!!, Free!, Haruhi, Fumoffu, Dragon Maid...

All of those are wildly different but maintain a similar standard of carefulness. That's what I liked about their works even if I wasn't very fond of the end result (I'm looking at you Phantom World and Amagi Brilliant Park).

No. Tamako Market anime has very obvious flaws that hamper its enjoyment. There still great things about it and some great episode, but also annoying things and the whole islander/bird plot that would be entirely better without. Love Story fixes most of it though. Anime still worth watching, but its flawed.

If anything, you should watch Munto. Very underraged Kyoani show.

>FMP that high
Being this wrong should be against the rules.

Agreed

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I only liked Haruhi and K-On

>Separate entries for Haruhi, Tamako, Clannad
>Merged entries for Euphonium, K-On, Chuunibyou, Free, Kyoukai no Kanata, and more
Make sure your charts are actually consistent and in order before trying to push your ignorance and lack of discernment on the internet, thank you very much.

Remind me, which Tamako episode has gore and people dying like flies?

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>the whole islander/bird plot that would be entirely better without
Reminder that this is how you know you should ignore a comment about Tamako Market.

a u t i s m

Violet is autistic.
99% of Yea Forums is autistic.

VEG was extremely mediocre.

Episode 14.

>Every single VEG story works, because it touches the specific emotional string in people`s soul.
That's basically the same as saying they just threw shit at the wall and saw what sticked. Not that it matters since that's extremely subjective and honestly feels like it's written by some pseudo intellectual.

>There is an unadapted novel chapter, Groom - where you probably woudnt like, focus or be interested in character involve at all. But still would have strong emotional resonance in the end because you too have Parents, you too grew up and probably distanced yourself from them to a degree. The warmth, the guilt, the love - every emotion it makes you percieve is your own.
Not relevant since we're discussing the anime and I don't see how you think I should be able follow your thought process here if you obviously know I have never read it.

>You don't need to know full life story or any details about people to be emotionally involved, its not about them, its about You.
You really need to reread what you write. If the stories really on you self inserting and filling in the blanks rather than writing endearing stories about characters your care about it's simply bad story telling.

>me situations in anime and novels resonate differently with different people - some situations there are fictional for one, while reality in their lives for others, neverless VEG manages to find the common ground and touch the strings of thing that makes us human. Thats, if you are one.
Again, not. This is nothing but subjective and it's a disservice to and plainly false to claim that it manages to do any of that,

You really need to stop projecting your own feelings towards the work. All this pseudo intellectual garbage is honestly tiring and embarrassing to read. Look at it more objectively instead of trying to come up with excuses.

Naruhodo.

rely*

>99% of Yea Forums is autistic.
99% of internet statistics are made up by autists

Autists are exactly the people who fail to enjoy VEG are exaples of aspergers victim who have underdeveloped empathy

VEG is in S tier as bait or what? Because I generally respect the rest of your list, but VEG is a B tier at best.

Not him but if you're aware that an emotionally heavy show like Violet is subjective as hell then you should stop trying to pretend that your own view an objective one.

Subjectivity can be discussed and argued. Only because people might easily fall for emotional bait doesn't mean the feelings they felt weren't real.

You sir have won the thread.

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I like Lucky Star and Haruhi more than some A stuff, but but them down to B cause it's mostly nostalgia

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>Not that it matters since that's extremely subjective and honestly feels like it's written by some pseudo intellectual
>A work of fiction is subjective
Stop the fucking presses.

>You really need to reread what you write. If the stories really on you self inserting and filling in the blanks rather than writing endearing stories about characters your care about it's simply bad story telling
Again with the same shortsightedness. As long as you hold that view you'll be missing out on lots of great works.

Art is by definition emotional bait, one of its goals is to evoke emotions from the viewer/reader. What the fuck are you ranting about?

It has a cast, it doesn't need to go in depth with them because it's episodic, VIolet is the most important character to set up, and then the Major after that, characters like Cattleya work better as background characters, this isn't Haruhi, we don't need 5 main characters and side characters to follow with each episode across 2 seasons and a movie.

Violet is just a Rei clone, she is not interesting to carry a show on her own.

this is Jew trickery empathy, they want to make yo usad for the old man but deliberatly go past his entire life in like 2 minutes and then use the other 2 minutes to make it seem like he hasn't had his wife for like half his life.

no one would give a shit about Rei if she was the main character in her own show

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fuck off jew

Which is why VEG doesn't work.

But she doesn't? It's all about how a mysterious doll like girl inspired people to recall their sense of passion in life.
She could definitely be more charming on her lonesome but pure focus on her isn't really the intent whatsoever.

That's just excuses for enjoying bad storytelling. There's a big difference between relating to a character and the story and having to fill in the blanks yourself.

Art is by definition trying to get an emotional response out of you. Emotional bait implies it's it's using cheap tricks to get that emotional response.

Violet is not an interesting character and she basically carries the whole show on her shoulders. All the other characters are very underdeveloped making the cast seem very lackluster.

because if Rei had her own show it would be bad?

Yeah. It shows what happens when you give a character like Rei her own show.

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This. As I said long before the show is less about characters and more about stories. Of how Violet learns about life through her customers and co-workers and how she touches their lives as well. She doesn't stay for long in any place but the time spent however small leaves a noticeable impact.

please tell my why you ranked air so high, genuinely curious.

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Violent isn't Rei though and that's why she was able to carry her own show

I don't suppose you're the one who gets to decide what executions are cheap tricks. Death of loved ones is as simple and relatable as it gets, every damned soul experiences this at least once.

This guy knows what’s up.

Not him, but good art is veiled emotional bait. The whole point is for the observer to not know they are being baited. VEG has a large amount of critics because it’s incredibly obvious what’s going on. The writers do a bad job of bringing people into the world, instead offering episodic stories like a slideshow, instructing is to cry at the end. It’s for teenagers, it’s literally Twilight-tier shit. People are going to love it, but don’t get mad when people criticize it for what it is.

Joke's on you the upcoming movie is 100% about her and it can be argued that she's at least 80% of the season despite the episodic format.
>a show called Violet Evergarden is about a girl named Violet Evergarden
Surprise.

Saw it really early on and hated how quickly it ended, it was a flawed adaption, and the craving for more made me realize the impact it had kind of surpassed it's imperfections, like a reflection of the show and Mizuzu's life being cut short, like your not allowed to get any more, your not allowed to go through the full scope of what you want out of it, no full adaption, no full life, you get what you get but what you get is perfect, and flawed, perfectly flawed.

>excuses
Ah, I see. This the new buzzword, guess "forced animation" is too used up by this point.

>There's a big difference between relating to a character and the story and having to fill in the blanks yourself
Not necessarily. Leaving blanks in proper places also helps the narrative by making the audience to participate in it, most of the time with them not even noticing. It's the beauty of this kind of storytelling. I'm also a background faggot who likes to know every canon detail of a show but I also enjoy more relaxed experiences like VEG from time to time. Not everything needs to be explained in detail, give your brain some work.

A proper developed character that sees one of his/her loved one die with a good storytelling around is not cheap. A one episode character seeing their loved one die is. One relies on your development and good storytelling to get you the emotional response. The relies simply on the fact that "characters loved one dies is sad" and isn't really any different from people feeling sad over a sad dog they have never meet before.

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Haruhi, Clannad and Full Metal Panic are overrated and outdated shit.

That's like saying Ferris Bueller's Day Off isn't about mostly about how gigachad affects his neighborhood and friends rather than any arc concerning him.

Good description, I went through something similar while watching it. Air left me torn for several days.

>A one episode character seeing their loved one die is
What a blatant underestimation of the art of narrative.

>Ah, I see. This the new buzzword, guess "forced animation" is too used up by this point
Excuses as never been a "buzzword". Stop moving the goalpost.

>Not necessarily. Leaving blanks in proper places also helps the narrative by making the audience to participate in it, most of the time with them not even noticing. It's the beauty of this kind of storytelling. I'm also a background faggot who likes to know every canon detail of a show but I also enjoy more relaxed experiences like VEG from time to time. Not everything needs to be explained in detail, give your brain some work.
Too bad it really doesn't leave in the blanks in the proper places because too much is simply a blank slate. It's a disservice to the audience. There's absolutely nothing wrong with subtlety in your work, you however need to elude towards something. Having characters you know nothing about going through the generic response of a generic sad situation is not good storytelling, it's a simple as that. It relies too much one cheap tricks to get the audience to feel an emotional response.

VEG has a large amount of critics because it is held at higher standards than the average anime whether people are aware of it or not. It gets nitpicked a lot.
Being able to see the twisting of the knife coming is in no way a bad thing, it's all about the execution and how the twist is done. For instance, any moron can see Ann's mother dying at the end of the episode but the characterization and story progression still make people bleed out of their eye sockets.

Narrative only gets you so far, especially it episodic series and the narrative in VEG wasn't very strong to begin with.

>It relies too much one cheap tricks to get the audience to feel an emotional response
What is your definition bof "cheap trick" you keep using that phrase but I'm not sure you know what it means.

>Being able to see the twisting of the knife coming is in no way a bad thing, it's all about the execution and how the twist is done. For instance, any moron can see Ann's mother dying at the end of the episode but the characterization and story progression still make people bleed out of their eye sockets.
But that's literally the problem. The execution and characterizations are not handled well.

...

Literally the majority of the side characters had already lost somebody important to them before Violet showed up to help them grief.

Cheap is what you experience when you witness a stranger going through these things, you just don't give a shit. The moment you feel something is the moment you know it affects you and the moment it affects you is the moment you know it matters.
Almost every writer that enjoys drama would do well to read or at least study the structuring of VEG's writing and how it manages to get the audience to give a shit consistently.

This. 90% percent of anime is predictable as fuck, specially in recent times. Being obvious bring held as a complain towards VEG sounds like a flimsy excuse to deride it's virtues.

>Literally the majority of the side characters had already lost somebody important to them before Violet showed up to help them grief.
And you have no investment in these characters making it moot.

>heap is what you experience when you witness a stranger going through these things, you just don't give a shit. The moment you feel something is the moment you know it affects you and the moment it affects you is the moment you know it matters.
Almost every writer that enjoys drama would do well to read or at least study the structuring of VEG's writing and how it manages to get the audience to give a shit consistently.
Here you're just projecting your own opinions and response to it. There are PLENTY of people that didn't give a shit about it. I mean, how can you even say this when the opinion of the anime is so extremely divided.

Blatantly false claims and projection are not good arguments.

But that's literally not the problem. The characters in VEG are some of the most human out there as far as anime is concerned and the execution does exactly what it was meant to do.

Not at all. If OP (who's probably you, you samefagging coward) doesn't have the conscientiousness to classify all shows consistently, then a good season two could get merged with a bad season one and be underrated, or vice versa. If the OP wants his opinion to be taken seriously he should step up his post quality, or he'd be forever a brainddead neckbeard talking out of his ass. Self-improvement starts with the self.

>But that's literally not the problem. The characters in VEG are some of the most human out there as far as anime is concerned and the execution does exactly what it was meant to do.

Only because you say so doesn't make this true in the least.

It’s held at higher standards because it obviously aspires to that from the very first frame. Every KyoAni show is held up against the standard of its predecessors. If they didn’t want that then they should have animated some shounenshit. Your points are fine, except the execution is terrible in VEG, so what’s your point? Just because I cried doesn’t make the story good, I wish for people to understand this.

The episodic storytelling was really the issue. At the end, does the story not feel like a slideshow to you? Like someone is showing you pictures from their vacation. Maybe at the time you had resonance with one or two particular images, but by the end, it just gets remembered as a slideshow. If they wanted to show Violet’s growth as a character, then they needed to spend WAY more time telling that story. We’d need to see her every day life, how she eats, how she goes to bed, what she’s like in the morning, how she interacts with the dude at the bakery. Those are where the changes in her personality should be told, not with flashbacks of how major, who we never meet or care about, died in her arms.

>And you have no investment in these characters making it moot.
You get invested as the story goes on, that is the point. These characters aren't centered around you or the protagonist and you don't have to follow them since the beginning to care, that is the whole damn point of episodic characters.
You specifically don't have an investment but this is where the line is drawn, other people are not you.

>how it manages to get the audience to give a shit consistently.
>all VEG threads turns into a shit tone of people basically saying they didn't give a shit

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Right back at you.

>Here you're just projecting your own opinions and response to it
You're doing the same, so far your argument books down to "I didn't care because it was too short" which is more on your perception than any supposed flaw in the narrative.

>There are PLENTY of people that didn't give a shit about it
And there a Shirin who did, probably more than those who didn't.

>isn't really any different from people feeling sad over a sad dog they have never meet before
You know there are many touching well done stories about dogs the audience never met before, do you.

You NEED proper investment and character building to try to get the emotional response VEG tries to get out of people. Episodic story structure doesn't suit this kind of genre. The only series I can't think of that it actually worked was Mushishi but even then it didn't try to hit the same notes as VEG.

>it's another self-absorbed social outcast mistakes his views as everyone else's episode

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>all VEG threads turns into a shit tone of people basically saying they didn't give a shit
So far we just have a couple in this thread. Also take into account those who hate in VEG without haven't even watching it.

>You NEED proper investment and character building to try to get the emotional response VEG tries to get out of people
No you don't. Watch Flavors of Youth. It's a textbook example if what I'm trying to say.

do you even know what samefag means?

I see anti-VEG user is here.
VEG is the greatest TV anime ever made and your arguments are falling apart with every post you make.

>You're doing the same, so far your argument books down to "I didn't care because it was too short" which is more on your perception than any supposed flaw in the narrative.
I will make it easy for you. My poin boils down to that you need proper character development and good story telling for the emotional narrative to not feel cheap and insulting.

>And there a Shirin who did, probably more than those who didn't.
So now you're backpedaling.

>You know there are many touching well done stories about dogs the audience never met before, do you.
Yeah, with proper investment in the dog and the characters around it like Hachi.

Mate you don't get to decide what proper investment is for other people.

Many people cry watching the episodic characters of VEG experience grief and there's nothing you can do about it. Welcome to empathy 101.

Your speculation really doesn't hold any value whatsoever. You can come up with as many excuses as you want. There clearly are many people that didn't like it and have voiced valid reasons for why. It's a disservice to dismissed that because of paranoia.

Violet wins again!

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Don't help us user. You're clearly baiting.

>insulting
Damn son. You talk about VEG as if it was an offense to every work of fiction out there. Take it easy.

I have never seen it so I can't give a response whatsoever and I'm not going to read MAL reviews.

>170 / 25 / 35

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You really have missed my point. You can at least try to understand what I'm writing. I have said VEG uses cheap tricks to get this emotional responses and why.

what did you expect from VEGfags

VEG threads always only get a small amount of posters.

Welp, I have to go to bed VEGfags. I have work tomorrow.

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>You can come up with as many excuses as you want
Not as many as you apparently.

>There clearly are many people that didn't like it and have voiced valid reasons for why
And I'm still waiting to read those valid reasons.

I get it, the story didn't resonated with you, maybe you're defensive about the nerves it tries to touch, maybe you're alien to those situations, I don't know. What I know is that you feel it's somehow your duty to embark on a crusade to blame your disappointment on the work itself when it's clearly an outstanding show for the time it was released on. So far I just don't agree with the only complain you hold against the show because I have plenty of experience with works doing really well in provoking emotion with just a few minutes of screentime (sometimes even without dialogue). So that tibit about "it doesn't take time to develope characters" just sounds like a justification if your beef with the show.

For the last time you don't get to decide what is cheap and what is proper investment for other individuals.

If you can't care about these characters because of the reasons you stated that's perfectly fine but don't pretend other people didn't manage to put themselves in the characters' situations or deeply relate to the tragedy at hand.

user, I think he's gone He was just too obsessed to pass his opinion as fact. Just let it go.

this is not a veg thread but it sure as hell is
>O MY THREAD DERAIL

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>a thread with kyoani fans not seen weeks after the fire

I've found them. I finally made contact with the lost tribe thought to be lost for hundreds of years

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> Putting Disappearance anywhere except above everything else they've done

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Calm the fuck down bro. Who hurt you?

Why didn't they just adapt the novel as it was written?

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Are you me user? At least someone has a decent taste in this waste of space thread.

Because it's chuuni as fuck.

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Yea Forums being Yea Forums. The show is good but also has a following among anime normies so we have to say its bad.

>normies
go back

make me

>normies

I wonder how much would've hurt the show to adapt the more fantastic elements of the novel.

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This is a pretty based list. My only change would be to put Chunibyo season 2 one tier higher and that’s about it
Suck my fat cock

>normies

It would've disconnected the protagonist from the audience.

I might give a rewatch.

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Understand hermetic philosophy before you attempt to understand melancholy, you normie tier fags are the reason I stopped coming here

redpill me on kyoukai no kanata
is it elite?

10/10 Color design, animation, and character designs
Weaker characters, and plot, but I still found it a solid 7/10 overall

>Poor communication skills
>Unhealthy fixation on VEG
>Inability to understand sarcasm
Like clockwork

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Erika pls.

Violet Evergarden is art in its purest form. Leonardo Da Vinci wishes he could craft something as excellent as what Kyoani put into their everlasting Evergarden. This anime holds a strong fragrance of timelessness, and I believe this masterpiece will be remembered for ages to come. When people go beyond the stars and visit other galaxies, they'll be proud to be the part of the same species that invented one of the greatest works of fiction in cosmic history.

Those who complain about the worldbuilding are just commoners. Even Van Gogh wasn't treated with respect when he was alive, but when the time will pass, this magnum opus of Kyoani will still be mentioned as an example of how to produce a perfect animated series. Violet Evergarden is one of the best-written characters in any story. Her backstory and her personality make perfect sense, and her evolution as a more emotional person is groundbreaking. The artwork and animation by Kyoani is the pinnacle of what is possible with animation. Lush colors, detailed environments, and fluid movements that truly display the excellence of the staff behind Violet Evergarden. This anime is a masterwork and before you criticize it, study what high art is all about.

Do you complain about worldbuilding in Romeo and Juliet? No, because it's a drama and not a high-fantasy epic. Let me guess: you watch superhero films and consider works like Fullmetal Alchemist, Fate/Stay Night, Star Wars, and Lord of the Rings to be great. Read some Charles Dickens and Victor Hugo before criticizing the shining star of anime. Now, go back to praising Darling in the Franxx or Sora yori mo Tooi Basho—insubstantial melodramas for teenagers.

If you can't appreciate emotionally driven storytelling, then Violet Evergarden is not for you. It's really sad that you barely know anything about writing. Try writing an emotional drama yourself; try making people cry. You can't because your life is insignificant.

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Good show. It was a good love story. I liked the character interactions.

After a prolonged and much to my chagrin, fruitless search to find a show that has even the slightest modicum of thought put into it, I've just watched this show, Violet Evergarden, for the first time. Where it stands the question becomes one to definitely coalesce, but the words aren't so simple to be spoken as such, simply expressed in a form to be delivered in the inquiry that is the core curiosity behind this show which lies in the details of the intricacies of the writing direction as seen in the narrative direction of the story and is encapsulated in its main character, the focus of the story around whom all events and occurrences in the story revolve as well as a figurehead for the central themes of the work and a way for the authors to develop the plot and flesh out the world, Violet Evergarden's esteemed protagonist Evergarden Violet, whose mind quite like the work as a whole tends to be an enigma at times though clearly very stoic, further serving as a microcosm of everything in the show as shown by the parallel obsession of the character with emotions, attachment, loss and war to an ultimate point of having one's entire being become inseparable from these things much like the show itself is defined by its almost prescient look at compassion and its intricate interweaving with opposing societies, which brings itself back down to the protagonist's struggle once more as she experiences difficulties navigating through the tangled web of emotional interactions at f2f conversations but seems to have no hardships interacting through the usage of letters, hinting at the main character's extremely anischerality which makes sense in the context of many of her reactions to the events that unfold in this story, making Violet Evergarden not just a Nostradamic look into the new role that war has on family structures but also a pressing social commentary, and I tip my hat to the creators for getting such a powerfully clear message across so succinctly and concisely.

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I love it.
I wish I had downloaded the best version for my first view.
Still listen to the OST.
CHERISH THIS SHIT AND WATCH EP 0 AT THE END.
Filler ep was the best.
Im an Idol now.

Yes.

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Kill yourselves moebutas

How does she keep getting away with it?

>implying Liz and the Blue Bird isn't one of the best anime movies in a long while

Based and artpilled

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The B and the S tier are actually switch

Liz and the Blue Bird was boring and looked stupid with their giraffe necks. If its in universe of Hibike, stick with the original art direction.

Disjoint.

>boring
just not your kind of story then. I thought the simple story was quite good
>looked stupid
You just can't appreciate an art style that fits with the themes of the movie

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Why is Hyouka so highly rated? It's the first anime that literally put me to sleep.

I have net disliked literally every kyoanus show I've watched. From fumoffu to knk.

It's compelling from a physical perspective due to the sheer detail and work put into the craft. It's also the most impressive and beautiful tv anime of all time. Sound design is additionally on par with high budget movies. Watch a few 100 seasonal anime and then come back to it and you'll better understand why it's valued.

>The problem is, it doesn’t do enough of either to make you invested in the world
Strongly disagree based on visuals alone.

>I want someone to explain to me why is VEG so widely despised.
It's not. Just appears that way because KHK and one other insane spamming board regular have a grudge against kyoani or the fanboys so they relentlessly spam almost every thread. Likely in retaliation to what this() user talking about. Lurk moar.

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/thread

based as fuck. Glad to see that I am not the only one who doesn't praise Hyouka.like most Yea Forumsnons.

Because from a visual direction perspective it's actually incredibly good. However yeah there are some people who thought it was very boring

She is with us.

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Quality over quantity when it comes to thematic and character development. It's why even short films can produce an authentic emotional response while VEG completely fails to, only reaching the level of a soap opera

Same. People say they love it because of the animation and character interactions. Yes the animation is great, and characters interact like characters, but I still found it extremely boring.

>Quality over quantity
You couldn't be more wrong. That's literally why Evergarden is so good. All it took was ep10 to bring me to tears. 20mins, not even the length of a movie.

Congrats on having such low standards I guess

VEGhaters watched it in the inferior melodramatic Japanese instead of the original German

>empathy
fuck off redditor

>TV Haruhi below Disappearance
I don't fucking get it. They should be on the same level as each other.

Substanceless post.

this is the reason of why you dont have any friends and live in the basement being fatass neckbear faggot

I mean it though. It's a great feeling to be able to have and it wish fake melodrama like VEG still worked on me

Truly an incredible show.

Cute autist.

How tf is it "fake melodrama"? It's just good.

Why are you so angry?

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I don't think we can.
Afterstory, Air, Kyoukai no Kanata, Angle Beats, Disappearance top tier. Endless 8, Sora no Woto F tier. Gay shit in E tier, rest in C. Maybe give Violet Evergarden a B, shit was beautiful.

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retard

Here is an actually accurate list. Get fucked plebs. If we are being reasonable we know this is the truth.

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Most people think it was a mediocre anime with not enough going on, but it gets an S+ for production quality. There's no controversy to be had here. It was okay.

Any opinion that rates Phantom World not on the bottom is a good opinion, or better said any opinion that rates Phantom World at the bottom should be ignored.

/thread

Come on dude watch Baja already.

>Almost every writer that enjoys drama would do well to read or at least study the structuring of VEG's writing
God no. Even the Key formula offers more insight, and it's a simple trick with a reliance on the sunken cost fallacy.

This is a Kyoto Animation only tier thread and PW is the definition of hollow eye candy. The only noteworthy episode is episode 11, the one where the protag becomes a kid and Mai acts like a mother.
You can thank Ishidate for that one, faggot went out of his way to not only storyboard and direct the episode but also animate the fight with the sand monster.

How can one man be so based?

A lot of Kyoani's shit is hollow eye candy, most of it even. PW was decent at that and had sexy JK legs so it rises to D-tier

All their shows have some genuine merit whether that is on a artistic and technical level or story wise. Because of that i cannot bring myself to give any of them lower than B tier. It would feel like i'm being dishonest otherwise.

You're not comparing their shows with stuff made by other studios you fucking idiot.

Horrible taste on the S tier but otherwise decent taste

I just want to thank you for being so wonderful and able to recognize quality in an artistic medium

>PW is the definition of hollow eye candy
For anyone wondering why they should be ignored.

Still it seems misleading to give anything a C. That implies it's average and none of their shows really are in one way or another.

You're welcome user!

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Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya and A Silent Voice should both be in S tier.

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Most shows have some merit. By your logic they should all be C, not have B as a minimum.

No. I meant pretty notable merit. Of Kyoani's shows that happen to be lacking in story their technical merits coincidentally make up for it.

Putting chunni season 2 that high

45 minutes per client should've been the rule and fuck the director's love for tragedy. Amy's kid didn't deserve any of that.

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VEG was like 12 short Hallmark movies. Every single storyline was just so bland. Here’s a grieving widow who acts exactly like you’d expect a grieving widow to act, here’s a grieving father who acts exactly how you’d expect a grieving father to act, et cetera. Every emotional beat was telegraphed from a million miles away which robbed the climatic scenes of all impact.

>Tsurune in the last tier
please

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Hyouka is not for everyone. Enjoying it is an acquired taste. I also found it extremely boring at first dropping it on episode two when it aired. A year later I decided to give it a go and to my surprise I found myself so invested that I marathoned the whole thing in three days.

I don't blame people who don't like the show. It's hard to get into but once you do it's a very rewarding experience.

Wonder what counts for "most people". Anons just throw that word without any backup data.

That's your opinion. Being predictable doesn't make something boring. Otherwise fiction works in general would be doomed.

>marathoned the whole thing
>in three days

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Rookie director and it shows.

It doesn't hold a candle to stuff like Hyouka or Violet.

I enjoyed it, I think a lot of people wrote it off as fujo
However, Katio a shit

>he actually watched Free
Sasuga VEGfag.

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K-ON is S+ tier

Redditors, please. Go back to your sub.

Honestly, its pretty good. world-building and side characters get shafted a lot in favor of the 2 main characters and their romance, but since they're so good you forget about the former.
Just go for it man, the movie is pretty good and the OVA (episode 0) are really good.
also mirai is a top qt

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Shut up, Saber.

Mirai a shit.

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She's not user, she tries her best

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It's the best-directed TV anime of all time.

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A shiiit.

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The story not resonating with you is a valid reason for disliking it, you autist. Plenty of people dislike the other entries on this list because it didn't resonate with them. Clannad being too melodramatic or Haruhi being a bitch are common and valid complaints.

Episodic works fine when provoking emotions, but it has to resonate with the person or else it will just fall flat. Personally, outside of 2 episodes of VEG, VEG's episodic narrative has nothing on many episodes of Space Dandy 2, or shorts like Shashinkan or Tsukimi no Ie.

anime is literally melodramatic all the time and it's rare to find stuff so honest and contained like violet
but sure, that's how it works

They should have put some effort into writing.

Hold my beer.

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ah yes the old "abstract and allegorical vs concrete and symbolical" discussion
yeah, let's not start it

>One relies on your development and good storytelling to get you the emotional response.
Episode 7 for example is very toned down in anime - in novel it would be first chapter, so the first story you read. Its damn short, and its guaranteed to make you soul crushed within few paragraphs of retelling Oskar`s life, a spiral of despair leaving a broken man.

Anime omits much of it, as it`d probably would be too dark but still delivers the key poitns perfectly. What makes it a good tragedy is not "loved one dies", but the projection of situation of being powerless experiencing one disaster after another and watching the process of inevitable loss and being able to feel the torment character experienced, which broke him to a point he became recluse with trembling hands (in novel, drug addict too, to escape from his nightmare).

>a character marries his waifu and lives happily and get a daugther born, just to experience his wife is mortally ill, and she lied to him about it as she knew it all along
>he takes it as a betrayal, which also combines with loss he experiences
>discovers, the daughter suffers from the same illness as his wife, becomes broken and jaded
>his wifes best female friend, who was in love with him starts taking care of them silently
>Oskar being broken and jaided, hurts her emotionally and she leaves them too, him feeling another loss - this time caused by himself
>tries to cure dauther but all in vain and has to watch her turn from cute doll to ugly bald and weak cancer patient and eventually die
>ends up running away in his mansion and using drugs to forget
>money starts to run out and old friend to help him gives him a job to write a play scenario
>however due to stress and drugs, his hands cant even type anymore as has constant tremor
>suddenly a young girl, which would be the age of his daugther if she were alive appears on his house steps to assist him

What else would you need to know? The impact is achieved.

If you put Hyouka very high while putting other shows that are also slow and character-centered low I'm immediately going to assume you like Hyouka for the Literally Me™ tier protagonist.

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Hyouka looks better than their other slow works and has Chitanda and Mayaka. If it didn't have the faggot MC it would be S+

>it's because of the waifus

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>we need
No.

I am amazed there are people who with absolute certainity want to tell what media needs to be or pretend their inabity to percieve the story telling of VEG is storys fault and not fault of their lacking perception and attention. VEG tells you everything you need to know about Violet and her developent, and very straightforward too.

In the novel, Violet is a big mystery that you slowly learn and time and time learn facts that entirely change your perceptions of her from past. In anime, you are given the key points from begining and she steadily grows every episode and you can directly see changes past encounters did to her and things she learned and how she grown. It is a story and anime where absolutely nothing is "unnecessory" or fluff, every detail is important, though out and meaningful. There is no filler, there is no things added just as sol. It is precise, to a point and straightforward and Violet`s journey is anything but "episodic".

The complaint of characters not being developed is also entirely wrong, since most of characters Violet encountered remains in her life later. Lucilia remains her friend she meets again. Oskar becomes a prominent playwrite and even makes play based on Violet herself, making her prominent on continent. Anne later tries to find Violet to thank her. Leon is in love with Violet and meets her years later while meanwhile striving for his dream. Princess invites Violet to signing a peace agreement between countries at the end of series.

Is there some other reason to watch a KyoAni show?

Tamako Market anime is at least A Tier, One of the comfiest shows I've ever watched.
Nichijou is S tier stop playing.
Phantom World is C tier at least.

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>narrative in VEG wasn't very strong to begin with
kindly murder yourself

The fucking characters?

Unrelated but holy shit this thread is autistic.

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>muh COMFY

A silent voice is the best thing they've made, so no we can't.
I personally have a thing for some of the shows like maid dragon that are more light-hearted,so I'd probably move a bunch of those up to A grade.

Most people just did not watch it and assume things about it. Its low key show, not deserving any hype really - but its well directed and beutifully done.

KnK is best KyoAni love story to date, but the issue is for whole experience you NEED to watch both movies and OAV.

The anime itself is bit of a mess because it fails to really develop world building and subjects it touches aside from character relationships - but the story as whole and craftmanship of it is beutiful one you know all the context of events. The OP alone is damn meaningful and wonderful.

Its show i love, but show i`ll not rewatch.

I simply cannot see how the directing was good. It goes for the grounded approach and yet the director doesn't do anything with it, there are no creative shots, the background is never anything besides a background and the foreground is simply nonexistent - nothing. It simply takes you from point A to point B and relies on a lot of eye reflection shots during those *gasp* moments of a conversation.

Yamamura needs to spend more time learning how to enshutsu before he even thinks about doing kantoku.

Tsurune is the only thing I've ever liked by them.

>there are no creative shots,
The fact that they actually managed to capture kyuudo authentically in anime is a pretty huge creative feat on its own. There are no other anime that focus exclusively on kyuudo, let alone anime that take care to replicate it carefully.

This is the truth. Most people ranking it low probably didn't watch it and just assume it's a Free clone even though the similarities stop at "some boys are in a sports club".

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Simply copying from previous materials such as real videos of competitions isn't creative, it's taking a random live action story and making it animated for the hell of it.

You have a very stunted understanding of animation if you think authentically portraying a sport is as easy as "simply copying from videos".

Except other sports anime do a far better job at portraying said sports and the struggles and unique challenges they entail.

Not particularly. Tsurune is pretty true to what kyuudo not only looks like, but the mindset behind it, since it's kind of a hybrid between sport and meditation. Touching on Minato's trauma in relation to how it impacted his life and later his relationship with kyuudo was a subdued yet believable way to approach things.

With Kigami gone. I don't know how they'll manage. I know Kitanohara is great but Kigami was on another whole level.

Ishidate.

He's good. But no.

He's not just good, he's their very best now that Kigami is dead. Even Tatsuya is better than Kitanohara.

Wait, did they release the full list of the victims already?

In this case it was boring.

No, they've released a list of 10 names out of the 35 dead, but we had enough information at hand to figure out most of that list already, including Kigami.

I unironically love Chuunibyou.

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FMP Fumofu is not fucking D tier. It's far better than the first season in its comedy and its animation. The bicycle police chase is Golden Boy tier in both regards.

Besides that swap Tamako Market and Amagi and the list is accurate.

Not yet. I hope Tatsuya Satou and Shinpei Sawa are not part of the casualty.

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sakugabooru.com/post?tags=Shinpei_sawa

Hyouka and Hibike! Euphonium are both B at best, what fucking troglodyte made this awful chart.

STEP ASIDE PLEBS

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The show has beautiful sakuga.

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Same. It is one of the best shows this deacde. A modern classic.

MUCH better than the average tastes on this thread.

stop replying to yourself

>never watched any of those
feels good to be a chad

Jesus, newfags really have overun the board.

>bragging about being new

>Hyouka S tier
>K-ON B tier
>Liz S tier
No

>all these people ignoring/not aware of Kanon
I hate you, it's the comfiest winter anime.

This is correct

Clannad, VEG and Silent Voice suck unless you like soap operas. Should all be in their own shit tier with the other Key garbage and Phantom World.

You shouldn't waste digits like this.

Hyouka is garbage move Nichijou up

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S: Nichijou
B: dragon maid, big tits girl that plays limbo
D: everything else
F: fagshit

Hyouka is better than western pandering shit like Nichijou. Nichijou is ugly and flat. God i hate you fuckers.