Both have main characters who have had zero character development

>Series would have been good of deku learned how to use the advanced technology to make ;him self gadgets to be a hero with
everyone who spouts this meme is a brainlet, absolutely zero exceptions

>This is funny since MHA's cast is quite small compared to most shounen
This is why sometimes it is best to keep shut, otherwise you'll say dumb shit like this

>Nope
>Nope
>Nah
incredible reasoning

>OP is a faggot

>OP would introduce 50 characters at a given arc
>.........
>MHA introduces one new characters
>OHHHH THE CAST IS GETTING BLOATED! WHY DOES HORI KEEP INTRODUCING NEW CHARACTERS?
That's all I need bitch. You're not going to do anything

t. Seething herocuck

t. faggot

And what about him being given a power makes the series more interesting than him being unique and becoming a hero through hard work and intelligence?

Both are also trash that panders to the least common denominator

See

at least bleach had cool art

How dare you compare a masterpiece to generic trash.

>OP
>1,500 known characters
>Naruto
>1262 known characters
>Bleach
>443 known characters
>Black Clover
>327 known characters
>My Hero Academia
>279 known characters

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>Wrong from the start
Rent-free

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Thats what I thought you bitch

Why do people say that bleach has too many character when Naruto has alm9st 4 times more?
A lot of bleach characters are one off minions that died on their first appearance

>source:myanuslist

because somehow Kubo did an even worse job of juggling his cast than Kishi did

>Shonen fags have short attention spans
Shocking

Explain why

Ichigo changed a good amount for a shonen character I think.....He started out with an over confident brat to losing all his confidence with the hollow situation to rebuilding himself through the Fullbring arc to the Blood War arc

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>Dragonball
>1306 known characters

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No way Naruto has that much, what the fuck?

>HxH
>181 known characters

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>duuuhhhhh you think about thing! that bad!

Even excluding the anime filler characters and the spin-offs it still rounds out to over a thousand.

Probably includes novel and anime filler.
The manga sure as hell didn’t have that many.

>The manga sure as hell didn’t have that many.
It did.

Čøpë

>A manga that's goes over 70 volumes and lasts for 15 years is not going to have many characters

>Naruto
>1262
Wrong.
naruto.fandom.com/wiki/Special:BrowseData/Characters?Media=Manga

>Characters (1262)
>characters
>1262

The wikia is incomplete

You know if you have to exclude so many things you're proving his point.

>excluding shit that isn’t in the manga
>Drops down to 500
Cope harder

how is this pronounced

>NOOOOO DON'T INCLUDE EVERYTHING IN THE FRANCHISE!
>IT'LL SHIT ON MY ARGUMENT

Sad.

>A MANGA that goes 70+ volumes
You’re an idiot

Because they get dumped on you in groups all at once. If kubo took his time introducing them no one would complain.

Because deus ex batman is worse than o my 7 quirks

>Talking about the manga
>DUDE WHY DON’T YOU INCLUDE THINGS THAT HAPPENED IN THE ANIME BRO

>Because they get dumped on you in groups all at once
Not really. Maybe a third of the quincys were introduced in the first invation, the rest gradually throught out the second invation and the royal palace attack

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The problem with hero academia is there are no stakes. We already know Deku becomes #1

Bleach was only good until SS arc then it was complete shit.

>no stakes
Nice meme

>Literally told in the first page of the manga that he becomes #1
>Stakes existing

I'm only following the anime but the Stain and Bakugo Retrieval Arc was the only time it felt like something was at stake. Everything else has been either training or tournaments. The worst thing that could happen is your favorite character loses a match.

>Everything else has been either training
Yeah its like the manga is called My Hero ACADEMIA or something
>tournaments
There's only been one tournament arc.

That has nothing to do with stakes you fucking dipshit

>we werent told that Luffy successed in finding the OP
>that means their an actual possibility that he wont

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>We already know [Battle Shounen MC] will achieve [insert endgame goal here]
yeah, good on BnHA for just getting that outta the way early on. also, you don't know for sure what the world will be like and who will still be there when Deku is number 1. Just look at Boruto while Naruto is hokage (something we knew was going to happen), things still looks it's going to go to shit.

That's the intrinsic flaw in having your story set in a school for superheroes. Shounen fans are accustomed to having a whole nation at stake. Or even a whole planet.

Happened in Shaman king

Reminder that Decuck defender does the following
>Refuses to admit Bakugo's explosions apply to Earth physics despite Bakugo sweating a chemical found on Earth
>Thinks you shouldn't like anyone but the main character and you're stupid for doing so
>Thinks 'Evolution of Quirks' is not the same as 'Quirk Evolution'
>Think All Might lied about his Nomu Punches
>Thinks because Deku's new quirks were foreshadowed that it makes it okay that he for some reason gets more powers on top of the already massive one he had already
>Repeats the same phrases and verbiage constantly

Yeah and it fucking sucked and people hated the ending

>OP
>2 known characters
>Naruto
>6 known characters
>Bleach
>6 known characters
>Black Clover
>11 known characters
>My Hero Academia
>14 known characters

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Bleach at least had one really good arc.

>OP
>2 known characters

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No it didn't

You are right, it had multiple great arcs

Fuck no

Fuck yeah

Herocucks finally getting a reality check, grow up BnHA is not impressive or good, it's a shitty copy paste of other shounens and reusing the same cringe heros and villains formula from OPM.

>known characters
Means shit. Introducing a group of 12 workers in a bar right before they all die for dramatic effect isnt the same as trying to have them as a constant ongoing cast.
And more importantly is how well the characters that are supposed to be a main cast are utilized. Naruto gave a LOT more screen time for each of its main characters as opposed to Bleach which maybe threw a guy like Chad a bone every 300 chapter and then put him back in the closet again.

>Naruto gave a LOT more screen time for each of its main characters
If you count Naruto and Sasuke as the only main characters

But that's wrong. Sasuke is basically off screen for half the entire series anyway. And when he is brought back full time it is accompanied by multiple other characters constantly.

>Sasuke is basically off screen for half the entire series anyway
So Naruto didnt give that much screen time to its main character then?

Both characters were 15 too. Man, Deku is just ducking pathetic.

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Yeah, I think the biggest problem in Hero is the implementation of powers. Why in the hell would you give Deku potential access to even MORE quirks when he already has one of the best ones?

Why not have Deku use his power in very creative ways that enable him to surpass All Might? Also, the latest chapters of villians just getting power ups mid battle just reeks of asspulling and further cements the idea of stakes not existing in any meaningful way.

Why does Eri have to have a quirk that literally reverts things to earlier form? Is it so stakes are lowered again? I can just see at some point Mirio getting his powers back.

I know stuff like this is pervasive in shounen; I just wish they'd stop and use better writing instead as well as sticking to decisions.

Even the Stain fight was eye rolling.
>Good thing Stain likes to hesitate and monologue
>Good thing Deku has the right blood type so he can get unparalyzed at the right time

When things like this happen over and over again the viewer becomes less and less invested in fights because they know that the heroes have plot armor.

The people who hate this manga have this weird fixation of being wrong about everything yet what to present it as a flaw within the story itself without taking the effort to actually read it. I mean really. When you say stupid shit like this

>Also, the latest chapters of villians just getting power ups mid battle just reeks of asspulling and further cements the idea of stakes not existing in any meaningful way.
Why the hell should you be taken seriously?

>Imagine unironically liking Ichigo

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>have Deku use his power in very creative ways
Like?

I agree. But I liked early Ichigo.

He means AFO obviously.

I have time; I'm down to talk about this for a bit.

>Why the hell should you be taken seriously?
I was being genuine and I feel that powerups mid fight cheapen the manga in a way. It gives me the feeling that any important character, no matter the situation will be physically fine.

BTW, when I say powerups, I don't mean something like Naruto going sage mode or Ichigo using bankai. Those were things that the characters trained for for a period of time THEN went to battle with them. It makes more sense IMO and shows the author had a higher level of forethought.

Unless I'm wrong about Toga, Twice and Shiggy doing some explicit training to exceed their levels to the degree that they did. IIRC Shiggy and the gang were getting stronger fighting Gigantus but not to the degree that Shiggy didn't have to use all five fingers to activate his quirk.

>Why in the hell would you give Deku potential access to even MORE quirks when he already has one of the best ones?
What the hell is the point in having one of the best quirks if you're physically unable to use it?

>Why not have Deku use his power in very creative ways that enable him to surpass All Might?
You mean like what's happening now with that reveal? He'll certainly be able to use OfA using his own strengths than just copying All Might.

>Also, the latest chapters of villians just getting power ups mid battle just reeks of asspulling and further cements the idea of stakes not existing in any meaningful way.
>power-ups

Retard

>Why does Eri have to have a quirk that literally reverts things to earlier form? Is it so stakes are lowered again?
Are you generally fucking stupid or you did not read the Yakuza arc?

They're not fucking power-ups and in the case of Shiggy and Twice their quirks were repressed by their own mental capacity and got awakened by a revelation (In Twice's case is that he could feel pain without disappearing and in Shiggy's case it was remembering his past). In the case of Togas she saw that her quirk had more to it than she initially thought it did. And this is what I'm talking about. You made no effort to actually read the chapters and just paraded bullshit shitposters say like a dumbass.

Haha, you're putting me on the spot here. I guess off the top of my head maybe he can do something like Guile's sonic booms? Utilize OFA at varying percentages to make the projectiles slow or fast.

Maybe release a slower projectile, speed dash to another location and continue firing. A little like Piccolo's Hellzone Grenade?

Can Deku kick or punch the air to effectively fly or change his trajectory similar to what Bakogou does?

Stomp or break the ground underneath people then rush in like how Tank Top master and Suiryu.

I don't remember anything like this happening yet, but I could be wrong

>their quirks were repressed by their own mental capacity and got awakened by a revelation
yeah that's a power-up

>something like Guile's sonic booms
I just skin through heroaca chapters but I still know about Deku´s finger flicks shockwaves and how he got special gloves to do them better

lol even less so
AFO is only a good villain if his motive is that
>"waa waa muh society hates is freaks"
if its just lust for power then his utter fucking garbage
havent read the latest shigi chapter but he's pretty cool (in a laughable way) for being such an emberassing creepy otaku neet
dont see many villains like that

No its not. Finding out your ability can do more than you initially thought isn't a power-up because there was no change into the strength of function of their powers.

Yeah never be a writer

lets see hisoka, chrollo, illumi, leoro, gon, killua, bisky, netero, meruem, pitou uhhhh yeah thats it faggot

Lmao by this guys logic Naruto never got a power up because he always had a mountain destroying demon inside of him

There're effectively the same thing, just dressed up differently. I just feel the writing could've been "cleaner" if Toga realized or upgraded her quirk somewhere else.

My feeling with this and most other shounen is that no matter the situation, important characters will just "find a way". It's tired.

>Shiggy and Twice could do a thing before they repressed them
>They broke their locks and are able to use them again

This is a power-up according to this retard
When did Naruto forget how to use Kurama?

>imagine not understanding aizen
truly, pathetic
>AFO
>good villain
you're funny asf

>There're effectively the same thing,
They're not. Neither Twice or Shiggy recieved an upgrade to their quirks. How the fuck is Twice's quirk a power up when he did the same shit before his trauma? 1
>I just feel the writing could've been "cleaner" if Toga realized or upgraded her quirk somewhere else.
No you're just fucking stupid.

There's nothing to understand because even Kubo didn't know what to do with him

>AFO
>good villain
Yep

Haha I will admit those ideas are pretty ehhhhh. But I'm not a writer; just some guy on Yea Forums. I trust that the staff of experienced writers would/could do research into how enhanced strength, speed and durability can be used creatively.

Hell, even All Might just punches in very boring and uncreative ways. (He kicked the Noumu that one time and he has that Cross Chop move but still...)

Brainlet

how the fuck is AFO a good villain, you fucking retard
i can feel your infectious fucking retardation seeping through my screen, please, do enlighten us with your explanation you fucking muppet

He is

You're missing my point so I'll try to reiterate. They are EFFECTIVELY the same.

Whether or not it's an upgrade or a mental block isn't the crux of my issue with My Hero and so many other Shounen.

It's when a character is in a situation where they are unambiguously completely fucked; they just FIND some kind of way to survive.

ANYONE who doesn't know about anime or movie troupes would definitely think Toga was fucked. But nope, they survived.

The LoV walked into a literal trap they KNEW about, encountered an army and are MOST LIKELY going to walk out without a single casualty.

That's my problem with this show. Just give me the sakuga cuts and call it a day because everyone will be fine no matter what decisions they make.

>This is funny since MHA's cast is quite small compared to most shounen
It's funny cause this is not true.
>Nope
You're right bleach was still decent after chapter 200, still went to shit.
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Aizen is a shit character
At least he was entertaining.
>Nah
Nope

>It's when a character is in a situation where they are unambiguously completely fucked; they just FIND some kind of way to survive.
Yeah because its much interesting if they just flat out died.

>It's funny cause this is not true.
Its true

>You're right bleach was still decent after chapter 200,
Nope

>At least he was entertaining.
Nope

>Nope
Yep

fuckin tard

>This story will be interesting if everyone died.

Here's a shounen that's perfect for you then

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If we can't agree that Shiggy and Twice's revelation aren't effectively the same as a powerup, then can we at least agree that things like that should be done in ways that don't further cement important characters getting out of seemingly impossible odds?

I would've liked it a lot more if these upgrades came before running into a trap. Preferably in a way that shows the character earning them and completing a character development arc.

People thinking MHA has too many characters is a good thing. They actually have far less characters but each one is so memorable that the cast feels that much more expansive than something like One Piece.

ah so it's technically not a power up, their ability just got stronger. what qualifies as a power up in your eyes?

You're going to get a lot of greentext responses saying this

Thanks for the laugh.

>their ability just got stronger
How can it get stronger when it was no different to what it was before?

>Preferably in a way that shows the character earning them and completing a character development arc.
But that's what happened with Twice and Shiggy. Twice got over his trauma so he could save his friends while Shiggy came to the revelation of what he truly wanted all along.

>Its true
Is not
>Nope
Yep
>Nope
Yep
>Yep
Nope

It is
Nope
Nope
Yep

Is not
Yep
Yep
Nope

You're only partly missing the point. It is interesting to me when a fictional world is filled with smart, competent, deadly and ambitious characters. Every step, every movement is calculated and deliberate. When you fuck up, you suffer consequences because that's what would happen when deadly and smart characters are pitted against each other.

We may lose a character but we gain a fictional world of smart characters making prudent decisions.

What if Shiggy had to make the tough decision to NOT rescue his comrade? Or did some kind of covert OP or got Gigamanchia to accept him as the successor BEFORE going and had him as a trump card?

The LoV literally walked into the damn near center of a TRAP.....they are pretty damn stupid and they won't pay much, if anything for it. Hell, by the looks of it they are just getting mental block revelations (power-ups).

So...yay for realistic consequences?

It is
Nope
Nope
Yep

>When you fuck up, you suffer consequences because that's what would happen when deadly and smart characters are pitted against each other.
So what's happening now

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Is not
Yep
Yep
Nope

It is
Nope
Nope
Yep

Yeah but why was it done then and there during a trap they KNEW about? The story even had a mini time skip about how they were going about fighting Giganmanchia. That was the PERFECT time for power-ups.

The way it was done now was crass and just made it seem like they got their power-ups because of the plot.

>What if Shiggy had to make the tough decision to NOT rescue his comrade?
The liberation army would have sent the professional heroes to hunt them
>got Gigamanchia to accept him as the successor BEFORE going and had him as a trump card?
Ah yes, tried to get Giga to recognize him for a month, but I'm sure he'll succeed in these 5 minutes.
Their plan already was to resist until Giga woke up and he teared his way through the liberation army to get to Shiggy

>Yeah but why was it done then and there during a trap they KNEW about?
In the case of both they had to be taken to extremes in order to come to that revelation. Twice had to break his bones to realize that he wasn't a clone though Shiggy had been reaching the breaking point of his psyche for a while now and at least when the arc started we saw he recollect his memories.

Is not
Yep
Yep
Nope

That's Gigamanchia destroying the enemies of the LoV AFTER they walked into a trap THEY KNEW about.

IIRC they did know Giga would wake up and track Shiggy down but they should've waited until he was much closer to waking up.

Also I think they would've been screwed if the doctor didn't wake up Gigas, I assume prematurely.

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Character progression =/= character development

Yes and it backfired because Giga is destroying everything that isn't Shiggy insight so their initial plan was doom to fail since the Army gave them an ultimatum that required them to comply or else they would have been capture by heroes but even then they were on a losing streak despite their best efforst until Doctor woke up Giga.

Not gonna lie, I forgot about the ultimatum. Even so the LoV should've been super fucked and wiped out by now.

I'm so down with this becoming a seinen and the LoV literally being butchered with the Liberation Army being the main antagonists from now on.