Fate: Lord El-Melloi II Case Files

Woah ,so she's your typical english woman?

>betraying your bro for pussy
Low energy. Not gonna make it.

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Yes.

But that's a pretty low bar.

she was like 6 when she met waver. she's younger than gray and gray is 15.

>shut it and get in there already, loser

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I need reines to sit on me

What exactly is the appeal of this character? Her personality is rotten.

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So far. Case Files doesn't have a bloated cast of what is obviously too many characters to handle effectively, and so far has stuck to episodic mystery solving centering around what appear to be crimes of a magical nature, which are slowly revealing key details about the history and relationships of our main cast.

So yeah, as long as it doesn't go full retard in some spectacular way, there is no way for it to end up anywhere near as bad a show as Apocrypha, though its not focused on fighting so if you wanted was action you are going to be disappointed.

grab4u though

Tell me about sheltered girls. What are their pros and cons.

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It has gray's cute engrish, magic mysteries suck a bit but otherwise it's relatively enjoyable.

I want Reines to use me like a chair

>pros
cute
slight autism
pure
strong as fuck
>cons
slight autism
saberfaceshit clone

I've read the FSN VN (only FSN and UBW routes), watched FZ, and part of FA and still barely have any idea what's going on. All this nu-Fate stuff is too much.

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all the shit they throw in the story is fun though so it's okay

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>All this nu-Fate stuff is too much.
Case Files is much more old-fate than nu-fate.

Ok but since when did FSN mention Saber having a super OP spear and some shit about Saber clones?

Well it is said that King Arthur had many Noble Phantasms.

>Ok but since when did FSN mention Saber having a super OP spear
Rhongobongo is part of Arthur's actual legend

She pierced the retard Mordred with it

She literally killed Mordred with it.

It's like she was born smug.

is fate/zero a good anime to watch?

>In Henry of Huntingdon's retelling of Geoffrey's Historia, Mordred is beheaded at Camlann in a lone charge against him and his entire host by Arthur himself, who suffers many injuries in the process. In the Alliterative Morte Arthure he first kills Gawain by his own hand in an early battle against Arthur's landing forces and then deeply grieves after him. In the Vulgate Mort Artu (and consequently in Le Morte d'Arthur), the terrible final battle begins by an accident during a last-effort peace meeting between Arthur and Mordred. In the ensuing fighting, Mordred personally slays his cousin Yvain after the latter's rescue of the unhorsed Arthur and then he decapitates the already badly wounded Sagramore. He also kills Sagramore as well as six other Round Table knights loyal to Arthur in the Post-Vulgate version, which presents this as an incredible and unprecedented feat. These and many other versions of the legend feature the motif of Arthur and Mordred striking down each other in a duel after most of the others on both sides have died. The Morte Arthure has Mordred grievously wound Arthur with the sword Clarent, stolen for him from Arthur by his co-conspirator Guinevere, while Arthur brutally skewers him on the sword Caliburn (Excalibur). In Le Morte d'Arthur, they meet on feet as Arthur charges Mordred and impales him with a spear. But with the last of his strength, Mordred impales himself even further, so as to come within striking distance of King Arthur, then gives a mortal blow to Arthur's head.

So uhh which death is canon?

As far as fate adaptations go, it's pretty much the best.

But her body is ripe.

In Fate? Mordred manages to disarm Saber, but Saber had Rhongomyniad with her and runs Mordred through. Due to a powerful curse placed on Mordred by Morgan le Fay, even though Mordred was dead at that point, her body still moved to give Saber a fatal blow.

>n Le Morte d'Arthur, they meet on feet as Arthur charges Mordred and impales him with a spear. But with the last of his strength, Mordred impales himself even further, so as to come within striking distance of King Arthur, then gives a mortal blow to Arthur's head.
This is the closest to Fate's version of events. Key differences:
>Mordred dies almost instantly from getting impaled
>Mordred's corpse fatally wounds Saber while being puppeted by a curse
>Saber's fatal wound isn't to the head

Yeah but it's a depressing show that's best watched in context. People won't get what Fate is from Zero.

If you think about it, if King Arthur received a fatal wound to the head, then he wouldn't have been in any condition to tell Bedivere to take Excalibur to the lake three times.

Lolidom.

Or just regular femdom when she physically matures

Christ Mordred is retarded

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So how does this show end?

The adaptation seems to be treating it primarily as a prologue of sorts to Fate/stay night, where it ends the moment the Fifth Holy Grail War begins, when Shirou summons Saber. We'll probably see glimpses of Saber, Shirou and Lancer near the end, their faces most likely obscured.

Grave for me?
Grave for you!

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>implying it'll get a second season
I'd like it.

We still have one last anime original episode before we get to Rail Zappelin proper.
It's going to advance Waver's character arc a bit, as he crashes a plan of restarting the AoGs that involves summoning Iskander.
Hopefully we will get either a season two or something lile that.
I would really like to see Adra Castle and Twin Towers of Iselma animated (they happen before Rail Zeppelin)

I hope that they somehow shove a Touko cameo into the next episode.

So, are servants as powerful as the heroic spirits were in their own time? Or are they more powerful beefed-up super-human containers for heroic spirits who, aside from their notable historic feats, were regular humans back in the day?

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Interesting to see how this scene evolved during years of works.
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Most servants are weaker in class containers than they were in their life. There're few exceptions like Euryale, who normally had almost no combat power, so they're actually buffed by servant container.

Some are stronger, some weaker, some the same. It varies.

it can be both. they can be nerfed by the class container comared to their original self, esecially when the original lived during the age of gods (older = better) but the legends may also add to their fame and power even if they aren't true.

summoning circumstances also play a role.

Most upper-tier Heroic Spirits are weaker than when they were alive. Nearly all the Heroic Spirits of the 4th and 5th Heaven's Feels are weaker than when they were alive. However, due to the nature of Servant summongs, Hassan of a Hundred Faces is probably stronger than in life.

Why are her eyes now blue?

Depends from Servant to Servant.
If nothing else, all servants are usually much "narrower" than the Heroic Spirit.
They often manifest one facet of the personality and skillset.
So you can get Karna as a lancer and he is stoic nuke curry guy, but he lacks his bow or his charriot or a bunch of weapons he needs the bow and charriot to use, for example.
Or how Lancer could be summoned as Rider with a magical charriot and a castle. Or as a Caster with even More magic bullshit (as a Lancer his magic isn't as good as it was because he's lacking some stuff he had in life)
Hercules is also an example, im every class he has access to only a small part of his power (sometimes with little overlap between classes)
in other hand someone like Helena Blatvaski or Nero Claudius might get a boost in stats and/or magic resistance.
Also Servants are untiring as long as they haveEmana, and can survive/heal from almost anything that doesnt damage the brain and heart.
Etc.

Near as I can tell, Nero's actually weaker as a Saber, but she's insistent on it. Her best classes are Caster and Rider. Nero had exceptional potential as a magus in life, but that potential can't be fully realized as a Saber.

>better than Apocrypha
Any Fate anime is better than Apocrypha.
But if you are underage and all you care about are two characters fighting and flashing lights then Apocrypha still has more of that than Waver's series.

Avenger got pretty damn tired when he was running away from Berserker and trying to keep up with Bazett.

Avenger is wearing Shirou's body.

He can take on spirit form.

>genius mage
>AUGH! My Mistake Eyes! Help me, Bro II!

Honestly confuses me how modern humans can't be as powerful as Servants since most servants were humans.

>calls you oniisama willingly
>makes haha it was just a prank bro about making babies with you

Yeah, I love Iskandar too, but come on Waver.
How do you not forget everything else and just marry that loli?! Even if you are gay for Iskandar its just stupid to pass that chance.

Humanity has slowly been becoming weaker and weaker over the eras. This is true both with magic and physical prowess

The whole point of hiding magecraft is to make sure it lasts

In the most general sense, the further you are from the swirl of origin, the more impure you are. Additionally, humans were strongest when the gods were on their side and sharing in the magical power of the divine and phantasmal and the world, which ended a long time ago. Furthermore, "mystery" empowers items, magic, techniques, and people, and mystery can only deplete, never increase.
And you can blame Thomas Edison for UTTERLY destroying mystery in the modern era, to the point that it's just gone by 2016.

But with technology we've been getting stronger and stronger. Humans today have abilities that would seem like literal magic to someone from even a hundred years ago. Imagine explaining to a medieval peasant how a smartphone works.

smartphones can't kill servants

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I don’t think a smartphone can stand up to a magic sword that can blast mountains

They are definitely much more powerful their original version.
The reason why is because of the legends. All the shit that they become known for after their deaths pretty much powers up their servants versions.
The opposite is also true, so there are servants weaker than their original self.

Gilgamesh has a magic smartphone and says you're dumb

That's what atomic weapons are for.

Don't be silly. That's real world history.
In fateverse history Babylon had ftl spaceships, submarines, airplanes, nukee, etc already back in 4000 BC.

That's not how it works in Fate.

Reminder that Gil has a thought controlled spaceship that can instantly change direction on a 3d plane on a dime, without any sort of injury or discomfort to the pilot who's sitting on a throne.

Ancient uruk was more "technologically" advanced via magic than modern day earth is in Fate

Humans from the Age of the Gods were stronger than humans of modern times due to higher mystery. It was just harder to survive back then for a variety of reason. The density of mana in the air was so much thicker that if a human from modern times was to go to the past, it would be extremely uncomfortable and even dangerous. Furthermore, most of the top-ranked Servants were superhuman. They were the superheroes of their eras. Arash himself was so fucking strong that a full power arrow shot from him cut split the earth (though it would also kill him from overexertion).

That said, Emiya clearly gets a boost as a Servant since I doubt he was able to move that fast in life.

>And you can blame Thomas Edison for UTTERLY destroying mystery in the modern era, to the point that it's just gone by 2016.

Shut it Tesla, don't be talking shit about the Presi-King

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user that's not true. Gil had some OP shit but Uruk was fucking farming based.

And yet he couldn't save Uruk from being destroyed by the Elamites. What a loser.

Using Fate logic, wouldn't cavemen be even stronger than people from early civilization? Were they the ubermensche?

So, did shirou meet grey when he went to the clocktower after the 5th war?

Uruk has Schrodinger's tech. It's both a society of dirt farmers and an interplanetary empire.

You'd have to ask some divine spirit whether they wrestled with a caveman and lost.

Actually yes. We've yet to see Adam aside from Avicebron's copy. Quetzacoatl was supposedly active when dinosaurs still walked the earth and she's easily one of the strongest servants able to be summoned.

I now have the image of Quetzacoatl pile-driving T-rexs and suplexing triceratops.

No. He wasn't even supposed to meet Waver. He doesn't stay at the Clock Tower for very long either.

>Wills went with his elf waifu
>Left without paying Waver
Son of a bitch.

He barely visited the Tower while he was in London, he acted like a good boy toy and stayed in Rin's kitchen.

Supposedly, Frankenstein's Monster is an extremely close approximation of Eve, to the point where even Avicebron is impressed.

>Left without paying Waver

He's getting paid in exposure.

When's the Babylonia anime airing?

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Quetz evolved over time. He/She would've been much different during the time of the dinosaurs. The Quetz we know today is just a part of the whole god.

He's getting paid in no-favors-from-Bram, because the one thing he cared about was the land not going back to Will's main family and upsetting the balance of power. Since the waifufag never had any kids, that's exactly what's happening now.

>Fate
>logic
pick one

How standalone is this show? I've never gotten around to immersing myself in fate stuff, be it the vn, anime, movies or mobage.

>Left without paying Waver

Oh so that's why Waver was really sad

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It's watchable. The technobabble is mostly a load of buzzwords which hardly affect the plot (and the plot hasn't even started yet).

October 5.

>Babylon series
>Camelot movie

'Murica OVA when?

Shhhhhh, let me dream.

Direct sequel to Fate/Zero, so references to other Fate series. If you're gonna watch this, watch Zero first.

It relies pretty heavily on Fate/Zero, because Waver

Most of the weird magic stuff is complex sounding technobabble made on the spot to sound complex as fuck and isn't really related to previous works. With exception to the Root - but because the Root is such an unknown for everyone, viewer included, it can easily just be seen as "that thing mages want"

Of course, the whole plot is that waver pleases old magi for money to pay debnt

The more fate stuff you know the more you will enjoy it, but the first epi gives you a basic outline of Fate/Zero from Waver's point of view.
So it's pretty self contained, I guess.
There're references (one of the other lords is brother to a Fate/Zero character, while a few chafacters have apeared in other TM works) but those thinga are non-essensial and the characters themselves don't rend to reference/point those things

>Any Fate anime is better than Apocrypha.
Last Encore exists. Apoc at least has a story it wants to tell.

Is Kerry still alive?

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It was after his time

No, he died like 6 years before Case Files

She DID use the spear in F/SN (in her flashbaks of Camlann Hill).
It just wasn't given proper love as The King of Knight's "sub weapon."
>And some shit about saber clones
Mordred was a literal recolor of Saber. Gray is unironically more unique.

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No user. Shirou was still a kid when he died. This happens weeks before Fate/Stay Night (aka Shirou is 18)

Alone? I'd say it's passable. The presentation is great and the script is competent, but it's an odd point for a beginner and the introduction to certain key points of the setting may feel insufficient.

If you've read/watched Zero, you've got all your bases covered for the basics, and you've got all the investment in Waver. Knowing more about the other Fate enries doesn't that much actually, other than specific tidbits of magecraft and King Arthur lore.

When you've gone through KnK and Tsukihime is the moment where this this series truly shines for you. One, because by this point you'll be well versed enough in the basics of magecraft that you can make sense of all the magicbabble being mentioned and understand it as it goes, even if it's being made on the spot; and second, because it combines all the aspects of old Type Moon that have been neglected in favor of holy grail wars and servantwank, which currently has no end in sight.

Was for

KnK and Tsukihime explain very little about magecraft. Doesn't even explain circuits or crests.

>it combines all the aspects of old Type Moon that have been neglected in favor of holy grail wars and servantwank, which currently has no end in sight.
This is honestly the best part of the show

Old lore has been popping up in references a bit. I know FGO had true ancestors show up, Apoc brought up vampires and the dead, but it feels like It's just gone back 10 years and all the old stuff still felt like it mattered

I've wanted to start from KnK movies, actually. But I think I'll go watch Zero first, then this and then the movies. After that I'll probably watch the anime adaptations of fsn instead of reading the vn cause my vn backlog is already pretty huge.

You should at least see the Fate route of the VN and avoid the first Fate anime made by Deen.

KnK is practically its own thing from Fate. You can go with that if you like.

KnK is pretty separate from Fate, but are generally good movies. 5 is the best, 6 is the worst (though it's still not that awful)

I started reading that Realta Nua version but kinda felt overwhelmed given sheer size of the content I have to go through, so I somewhat lost interest. I do know about the DEEN adaptation, although a part of me wants to watch both.

>aspects of old Type Moon that have been neglected in favor of holy grail wars and servantwank, which currently has no end in sight.

FGO will potentially do more damage than good to the Nasuverse once it runs its course. Too many ill-conceived servants.

It's more about building up the setting than give specific bits, but really, I believe that in between Araya and the backstory about Len's master in KT it really helps you to actually "get" magus autism. Not that Fate doesn't delve into this as well, but really Zouken is the one proper magus you meet, and his circumstances are kind of a different can of worms.

The bullshit pulled of by Nvrsqtsfsrs, Roa and Wallachia are also quite good in broadening you view of what magic has can do. Dead Apostles, True Ancestors, hybrid bloodlines and the Church's appearances are all useful to get a picture of the setting as a whole. Melty also give introduction to Atlas to expand magic society beyond just the Clock Tower

>I started reading that Realta Nua version but kinda felt overwhelmed given sheer size of the content I have to go through, so I somewhat lost interest.

You only need to go through the first route, since that's the only one that hasn't been adapter (not well, anyway) into anime.

>his circumstances are kind of a different can of worms.

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Nero's weaker as a saber because she's a faker in it.
Nero's true nature is as a Caster, and the option of manifesting as a Rider but would have far more negative traits as it encroaches her to the Whore of Babylon, Mother Harlot.
In Extra, Nero is literally forcing herself into the class container of Saber via Imperial Priviledge and is using a dainty ornamental sword.
As the rule goes: All true sabers have sword beams.

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Does that mean that Lancelot is suppressing his true nature as a Saber by refusing to fire beams?

He fires a really small beam inside the enemy. It still counts

>that filename
I'm still mad at mods, but I got a chuckle because in the end, I liked it.

Arondight Overload counts enough.
He uses it a as a light explosion instead of emission.
Extella Link actually makes it a lot more clear.

Doesn't count. Not a true beam. He's not embracing his true nature as a Saber. It's probably self-admonishment. He feels he doesn't deserve to beam after what he did to his lord, the King of Beams.

Yeah, beware the Fate adaptations. I can't force you, but I highly reccomend you go through the effort of finishing the first route, then you can jump into anime/movies.

In any case, it's pointless to discuss this right now. By the time you're done with Zero, you will either be invested enough to power through at least the first route, or you'll be dropping Fate altogether (stil give KnK a try though, or Tsukihime, which is much much shorter as a VN)

Just as a side comment, UBW is kind of a terrible adaptation going off from Zero. The transition from Kerry to Shirou and his whole hero business works, but plot points that get hyped up like Illya, Saber's suffering or Kirei get mercilessly cut down midway through, while Gil is at his worst, most assholish behaviour. Fate route makes a better job concluding all these plotlines, and Heaven's Feel is peak Kirei of course.

Thing is none of the routes really truly cover everything. Something is neglected in each route. Though I feel like if Nasu were allowed to make his ideal Fate route adaptation, he might make it a little more complete.

Goddamn I still can't believe KnK 1 was from 2007

How the hell does it still look so good?

Why is Nero supposed to be The Whore of Babylon/Mother Harlot in the Nasuverse when The Beast of Revelations was supposed to be Nero. Apparently 666 can be translated to Caesar Nero.

But the point is that he HAS the sword beam, regardless of if he uses it or not.
Distinctly different from "Faker" Sabers, such as Chevalier D'eon, Nero, Okita, Rama, Void Shiki, Summer Fran, Caesar, or fucking Jason.

Why would you watch this without knowing Waver at all?

Technically, Jason beams. The beams come from Medea though.

I'm a FGO secondary and I'm enjoying it.

It isn't a SWORD beam.
Even JASON is confused why he's a saber.

Well thanks to this thread I know I shouldn't.

This is why Richard is best Saber. He can make sword beams shoot from sticks.

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>sword beams from a stick
That's a stick beam, user. Richard confirmed not a Saber

The game needed a 1* Saber.

You fool. A beam that can't disintegrate a castle isn't a true beam.

Since we finally got Jason in FGO when will we get Agravain?

In 2 Lostbelts from now.

We just got Gareth. Agravain's next time. Probably 3* Assassin. His Noble Phantasm would be Anti-Thot.

Sure, I get it, but what I'm saying is that of all of them UBW is the one that covers the least amount of plotlines coming from Zero, so it's pretty unsatisfying as a direct sequel like UFO did it. Both UBW and HF have Kirei and Gil jobbing early, so Fate is the best option since it has both of them share the spot as final bosses, while also covering Artoria's backstory and giving some resolution for Illya. The only thing missing there would be Sakura's fate.

And I say all of this as someone who didn't care for the Fate route after the first read.

>UBW
Gilgamesh is the last boss.

in an era before modern medicine a head wound (or any wound really) didn't need to kill someone on the spot to be fatal, also dramatic effect

She has a healing factor. Unless the blow to the head really fucking killed her, it wouldn't do shit.

No, it is a sword beam. He can shoot sword beams from anything sword-like. Sticks, knives, display swords, swords Gil shoots at him, a fucking fork potentially. He is the king of beams.

Would you settle for an opera house?

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I somehow missed the "respectively", i mean that Kirei jobs early in UBW while Gil jobs early in HF, in Fate there's two Final battles going at the same time.

I'm just now realizing Richard could probably sword beam with a guitar, and now I want that more than anything.

You fool, there's still a huge fucking chunk of that opera house still standing. A true sword beam fucking disintegrates entire mountains. Check pic related. That's a true swordbeam. It stands at the top of all swordbeams. You may not like it, but this is what peak beam performance looks like.

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user, you've just convinced me that he's not a Saber.
He doesn't do sword beams. He does beams with anything dick shaped. A man who does beams with anything dick-shaped is not a Saber, but a Beamer.
It's like arguing that Aoko Aozaki is a Saber because whenever she gives a handjob, beams go everywhere.

The guitar would turn into a sword first, negating the cool factor.

I love Richard but I wish he wasn't such a twink. I get that his thing is speed, and by all means keep him bishonen, but some actual bulk in his armor would have been appreciated. You know there's a problem when fucking Artoria's battle dress looks like more solid armor.

Now here is the quest.
Is Bazett a true saber?

>BOXER class servant
Nah, she's already got a class and it's the best class. It's just all your favourite punch servants running around punching shit.
Fragarach also isn't a beam, it's a sword that moves like a beam. Close but not the same thing.

>Here's your lancer, bro

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No, she'd probably be an Assassin. A Pseudo-Servant of, I dunno. Morrigan. Or Brigid.

It's a beam made of sword!

Richard has just accepted the fundamental truth that EVERYTHING is a sword. And in his hands, every sword is Excalibur.

He was aiming upwards, since they were in the middle of a city and he didn't want to cause to much property damage BECAUSE HE IS A GOOD BOY!

So long as he plays a sick riff first, I'm fine with it.

>Using Fate logic
Except thats not at all how it works you idiot.

>A+ Anti-Army
Even if he fired it at a mountain, the mountain would only break a little. It wouldn't disintegrate.

Fuck off Shichika/EMIYA, you can't pull that "this non-sword thing is a sword" shit on me.

Why is Gray such a shitty and unnecessary character? This would have been a much better anime if it was just the adventures of Waver and Reines, but they just had to force in a saberface.

Emiya's a sword purist. In his world, only swords are swords. But a sword that is modified into an arrow is still technically a sword at its core so it technically counts.

You need a rei to go along with the asuka.

Waver needs someone to actually fight the battles for him :V
Maybe he could make a pact with Lugh Beowulf or some other big nasty

Reines's maid can already fulfill both of those roles.

I wish she were more important.

How the fuck did Reines walk out in public with a grey floating mercury maid

I'm guessing she carried it around in a suitcase.

While I have my gripes about her saberface status, it's a simple fact that Waver needed some muscle to have a semblance of protection in his investigations, and Reines doesn't fit this because for one, she's not Waver's bodyguard, she's his bully, and second, a big part of Waver's job is being SENT by Reines to do bothersome and dangerous shit for her and the El Melloi family. Reines going along in this arc is a bit of an oddity compared to the LN, and obviously meant to give her more screentime.

Trimmau, being Reine's own bodyguard, doesn't cut it either.

Just like Illya walked in Shirou'a school in HA in the middle of class to hand out with him.
Or how Sacchin had the other students help her kill and eat the entire school in that one bad ending.
Mind fuckery is magecraft 101, evwn Waver can do it

Kaineth jad her in a small lab tube, sk Mercury-girl can become very compact.

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Lord Kayneth was too good for this world.

She's such a little impish semen demon. Would impregnate on the spot

this is why we need to bring back the age of gods.

Shut the fuck up Kirsch.

Gray seems to be an analog of Dr. Watson and Waver is Sherlock Holmes. Main difference being that Waver is physically weak and needs protection whereas Holmes could defend himself when needed. At least that's the way it seems in what little of the LN I've read so far.

>manga translations have stopped

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Can't he just sell his semen? I heard it can be a lucrative business.

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>saberfaceshit clone
I find it amusing that Waver hates saber's face so much he forces Gray to hide hers.

no, the mere fact that any male mage can do it means its not lucrative. Its like selling semen or blood IRL, you arent going to be paid much.

Waver is kind of a deconstruction of the ace detective archetype. He acts all confident and at first glance he seems like a magic Sherlock Holmes, but the more you see him, the more you realize that he's anything but. He has a keen analytical mind, but he's prone to losing his cool at the slightest provocation, is incapable of resolving anything on his own due to his lack of power and, due to these weaknesses, can never become the "hero" who "saves the day". He's a sharp contrast to other TYPE-MOON protagonists in that he's not an amateur teenager who's been thrown into a situation beyond his comprehension, but rather an expert who more or less has all the knowledge he needs to comprehend everything once he has all the pieces together. But this is offset by the fact that, again, unlike other protagonists, he's pretty much powerless. Sure he's a magus, an instructor and a Lord, but he can't defeat any enemy, nor can he save anyone on his own. Most other protagonists have power without knowledge, but Waver has knowledge without power.

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Extremely pretty, smart as hell, basically has a DNA that any mage would sacrifice their family and own life to breed with.
Still tries to seduce waver and is shown saddened by his refusal , so beside being a sadist she's actually just a girl.
The only down side is the debt , but hey she can't be perfect

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But I remember Rin saying it to Shirou.

>Grand Lancer
>the first hero Lancer of history
>Neanderthal overlord of an great ancient civilization , basically used Prot-exacalibur as spear of promised victory
>Giant size that towers kotonine, slender body, iskander 2.0
>fucked up The bad-civilization robot. 14000years before recorded history
>Basically uses true magic due to living in the age of gods

I'm fine with that user!

Oh so we are getting loli-olgamarie... thats neat

Wills is the real winner here because he made anime real. Now he's clearing dungeons with his waifu in the isekai fairy world.

What could be a good catalyst for summoning him?

WHOHOOOOO MORE OLGA-MARY PORNS INCOMING!!!!

Yeah, and her middle name now gets an official translation too. I wonder if her dad would make a small cameo in Case Files.

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A rock glued on a stick with hide glue

maybe to be serious a ancient neanderthal skull fragment belonging to the very grand lancer.

Just because poor mages do it doesn't mean it's all that great, not to mention imagine the reputation the of the instructor of a course and a Lord would gain from having to resort to such methods

>maybe to be serious a ancient neanderthal skull fragment belonging to the very grand lancer
I would ask you how the hell do you plan on getting such a specific thing, but then I remembered that somehow Tokiomi found the first skin shed by the first snake. Hell, Gordes somehow fou d the exact fig leaf that covered the spot on Siegfried's back.
So finding the half fossilized skull of Grand Lancer is well winthin mage's capacities.

The full name is "Lord El-Melloi II Case Files - Mystic Eyes Collection Train (read: Rail Zeppelin) Grace note - "

>So finding the half fossilized skull of Grand Lancer is well winthin mage's capacities.
>Not summoning Cain as grand berserker

What exactly does Marisbilly do in world where he doesn't summon Solomon in a grail war?

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>care for his daughter
>actually rise her to be nice and not setting her future up to experiencing her death over and over again in the chaldea

That is a horrifying face

By the time of Case Files he is still locking himself in his own workshop and focuses on his researches only

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In the world of EXTRA, he was involved in a failed ritual concerning the lynchpin of the Age of Man that resulted in all mana being sapped from the world.

Pretty sure cain would be an avenger, fucking brother got all the rewards while he was just an idiot in god's eye, they should had seen it coming

>cain
>implying the biblical stories were the first
Even Gil is older than that.

W-which time line are we in? Grand order... or Extra?!

>care for his daughter
Wait i'm pretty sure Trisha (Olga's tutor) took care of Olga though ?

Cain wouldn't be summonable as a Servant since he'd still be alive. Though since the world was frozen over in FGO, I guess he could be summoned.

First he has shit circuits/genes, second a magus lineage without their crest is basically worthless unless they have amazing circuits.

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Neither. Fate/Stay Night timeline

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>The name is XXXXXX. That is the cause of the stagnation of human history in Extra world.
This is from Last Encore scriptbook btw

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No wonder she and Rin "get along", and no wonder she's attracted to Shirou.

So why doesn't Gray get sent to Fuyuki to fight in the Grail War? With her abilities she would be a good backup to assist the other Clocktower masters.

Her Mystic Code is normally kept a secret.

Waver is still her Master, and Gray his Apprentice. I doubt he'd send her off to what was invariably a death sentence for all but the winners of the war usually, not to mention what said. As far as the rest of the association knows, she's just some nobody apprentice to a defective dropout weirdo.

Yes, it's because of Moneybills. Perhaps trying to summon Solomon outside of a grail war and it irreparably fucked the world's mana flow.

Gray is Waver's trumpcard tho. He was searching for a person that is good at dealing with spirit stuff to help him in the 5th HGW, thus he found Gray.

Faker here gives off a different vibe to the images I had seen previously. Not that I'm complainign mind you, I like all the renditions.

I don't think Gray would have helped much in the Fifth War. That shit was a total clusterfuck.

Waver isn't exactly a mastermind, and on top of that he was preparing for a repeat of the 4th rather than the complete circus of the 5th. He did what he could.

In any case it would have been hilarious if he had entered with Grat as his co-master and mana source, for that sweet kino with the Kayneth/Sola-Ui parallel.

That's true but ClockTower management didn't know the Grail War would turn out that way. I mean if Belfeban and/or the other senior lords told Waver that Gray is going to Fuyuki he wouldn't have much choice in the matter would he?

If they teamed up with Shirou, they could probably get some interesting results. Returning Rhongomyniad to Saber would allow her to use its full power. At its strongest with the necessary number of restraints unsealed, it's an EX-ranked Anti-Fortress Noble Phantasm so it should be even more powerful than Excalibur.

This anime would have been 9/10 if MC wasn't gay and saberclone was written out.

Eh, those kind of decisions aren't exactly on their authority. aS much as the other lords bully him, when it comes to that, Waver can actually push his weight as lord and say no because it doesn't concern his faculty, unless he's directly ordered by Barthomelloi.

In normal circumstances, he can either say no or put the condition of going there too.

Given Gray is El-Melloi's personal appretice she probably has some degree of protection. The El-Melloi family might be disgraced, but Waver became politically influent thanks to his students, and trading favours with other Lords.
Could they send her to Fuyuki? Sure.
Would it be "for free"? Unlikely.

So what said.
The title of Lord might be the only thing Waver has going on for him, but being a Lord still brings some degree of power inherently to it

>so it should be even more powerful than Excalibur
Unlikely. EX doesn't necessarily mean more powerful than even a D rank NP, it's just answering "apple" when given a scale of 1-10.

Rhongomyniad *is* incredibly powerful, and was ultimately what put down that dragon that ate Excalibur Galatine when Artoria and Gawain went to go fight it. But Excalibur is Excalibur, it's the strongest holy sword for a reason, and has similar restraints that Proto-Arthur's has and Rhongomyniad has.

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From what I can tell, Rhongomyniad's restraints are easier to unseal than Excalibur's.

Is it possible to summon Solomon in a non-FGO timeline as just a regular Caster?

How do I find out whether or not I have great magic circuits?

Solomon would still be Grand Caster in all timelines.
The question is how the "erasure" from the throne... works.
Because if he was summoned for the HGW in 2004, then in all other timelines it should be possible as long as it's before New Year's 2017.

Case Files
>lmao El Melon wants to get shanked in some weeb ritual? Sure thing, if he makes me this one favor I might get him one spot for that.
Strange Fake
>I swear to god El Melon, we're willing to break your fucking legs if you try to leave for that shitty war, so don't even think about it.

What did the Clocktower mean by this

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>Could they send her to Fuyuki? Sure.
>Would it be "for free"? Unlikely.
How does Waver manage to resist the temptation to use Gray as a bargaining chip to let him participate in the current HGW? It seems like he would sell his soul for even the possibility to meet Iskander again.

wait this whole stupid plot happened because a dude wanted to fuck fairy waifus?

>It seems like he would sell his soul for even the possibility to meet Iskander again.
Actually not the case. The way Flatt tells it, he was willing to part with the Iskandar catalyst to save his retarded ass.

Can you blame him?

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The whole stupid plot was because old guy wanted to reach
>MUH ROOT
through fairies, and used his son as part of the machinery for it. The son ending up up wanting to fuck fairies was a consequence of that.

When is best girl coming back?

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When will we get more manga chapters?

Why isn't CT even talking about Gray? You'd think someone who has Rhongobongo would be considered an ace in the hole.

Wait. Why doesn't he try to join the grail war in this timeline? Imagine an alternate fsn with fucking Solomon being the Gilgamesh of the story. That's probably what happened in the fgo war anyway.

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Should already be a demon hunter by now, right? Could very well appear next episode, with some especulating only the church is left to introduce before Rail Zeppelin begins proper.

>The whole stupid plot was because old guy wanted to reach
>>MUH ROOT
Welcome to every mage related problem

He gets tipped off the grail's fucked and keeps it to himself.

The main arc of this very show goes and explains why, supposedly.

Nasuverse
>Humans in the past were so much more powerful and advanced than modern humans that we've actually regressed horribly over time from the Finno-Korean ubermensch hyperpower to the monkey dark ages
Also Nasuverse
>the panhistory pruning phenomenon selects only timelines where humanity advances to progress, and nukes all the timelines where humanity regresses/stagnates/is destroyed

Fucking pick one, Kinoko

Humans weren't more advanced, only magic was. But magic doesn't really benefit humanity as a whole. In order for humanity to advance beyond its limits, it must leave the protection of the gods.

shit when you put it that way having high chief grug the first of paleolithic lemuria sounds pretty rad

Wasn't it because of the Aylesbury ritual and the Dark Six?
>suddenly remembered DAAs don't exist in Fate anymore
Oh shit

Aylesbury Ritual had nothing to do with vampires or the Dark Six. It was a ritual conducted by human magi fucking around with the world's lynchpin.

How the fuck was Kirei able to reproduce?

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his wife loved him very much, and he plowed her with apathy

What did Kirei love

I don't get the epilogue of Ataraxia. How does Bazett and Caren know Shirou?

He did pick one.
The way Nasu works is like this: The past has mystery so that means more magic power, but as time goes on mystery disappears and science explains everything. However humanity will also inevitably reach a point where science unlocks things greater than the power of planets, stars, systems, etc. bringing them right back to super strong.
Essentially humanity right now is in the baby middle phase. No longer 100% bound to gods, but not strong enough to be space and time faring monsters.
Stuff like ORT comes from his sci-fi phase.

Ritual from Extra had nothing to do with Aylesbury.

They're part of his harem, obviously.

Imagine the smell

I dunno. I think some part of him did love her. Otherwise, he wouldn't have stopped searching for answers for a while. The reason he stopped searching was because he didn't want her sacrifice to be in vain. But then the Fourth War happened. The desire to not at least desecrate her memory was probably the embodiment his love for her, even if he didn't realize it. Otherwise he would have tossed her memory aside.

Well that's neat then. Now that he has an official design I can assume we'll actually see him.

I really wish next few Fate stories involve more Aylmaos

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I heard British women are the most disgusting white European women. Basically men.

She's probably hanging out with Mister Dawn from the Burial Agency.
Fun fact, both Bazett and Carmen were originally Tsukihime 2 characters.

He did soul searching because he realized how fucked up it was that the only thing he regreted was not having killed his wife himself.

He's literal Mr. Pretty. That's how.
Also, he cooks an amazing Mapo Tofu

In FGO timeline, does he actually beat Shirou, Rin, Sakura etc.?

He summona Salomon and just nukes Fuyuki into a crater

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Running gag by dangling the possibility of participating in HGW5, clock tower and all those who decide already know he isnt going, Waver just has too much hope

I want to see her more in her casual clothes.

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Shirou shouldn't have become a Master in this timeline. The first Holy Grail War occurred in 2004 and was won by Marisbury.

im off to marry my fairy waifu bye bitches!

Melvin

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Olga

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Director! I'm sorry I let you fall into an endless hell of suffering where you experience death over and over for eternity!

At least Fujimaru and Mashu didn't let that happen for another time. Both of them were weak in Fuyuki singularity thus they couldn't save Olga. In December Prologue when they're stronger, they saved Gordolf's life.

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No, no, you're terrible. Bad rolls be upon you.

Shut up, you let it happen too.

Just how important is King Arthur to the Human Order that she always seems to be involved whenever shit happens?

Britain was like the last place where some aspect of the AOG still remained or something, and the spear Rhongbongo is what is keeping the layer pinned that conceals the Reverse Side.

Why takeuchi-sensei's art style changed so much?

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How would he still be alive?!

Well his style became more refined over time, but he ran into the trap where he ends up only drawing the types of faces that appeal to him.

Do we even know what conditions for removing its seals are?

For Rhongomyniad, it looks like it works similar to Excalibur Proto's Seal Thirteen system, where each seal corresponds to a specific Knight of the Round Table. Seven or more seals need to be removed to unleash its true power; any less and it will only show a fraction of it.

Excalibur has a more strict sealing system, however when a seal is undone, it stays undone indefinitely. Saber's NP quest involves undoing one of those seals: "One's comrades-in-arms must be courageous". Upon undoing this seal, it stays undone permanently, boosting Excalibur from A+ to A++. Saber states that she was never able to undo all the seals in her lifetime.

If you look at all the known restraints, it looks like Excalibur Proto was designed specifically to be used against Beasts. Every known restraint can be undone instantly if used against a Beast.

Will her superior and actually talented father appear?

>Marisbury
>giving a fuck about anyone who isn't Solomon
user. His heir is even officially someone else. He doesn't give a shit about Olga.

He summoned Solomon through Fate system, maybe he'll do that too. He's interested to keep Servants around before the Grail War.

So the fact that they're putting more spotlight on Olga means that she'll eventually get saved via some bullshit in FGO right?

I mean, if a casual viewer who gets attached to her here sees that she gets doomed to literal eternal suffering (at least in a timeline different to this), that's gonna leave a bad taste in their mouth.

Alright, spoil me now fags. Girl on the right is dressed a lot like Iskandar. I know this is not a coincidence. So what the fuck is the deal here?

They're trying to turn Iskandar into a divine spirit for some retarded plan.

So kind of the same shit they're doing to Gray with Arhuria except for Iskandar this time?

With Gray they're trying to forcibly return King Arthur back to life. With Iskandar, they're trying to turn him into a god.

Okay, but why a girl?

Because breasts.

I mean vol 4 and 5 got released in 2016 and Olga is an important character in Rail Zeppelin case tho...
Also the Priestess has been heavily implied to be Olga, but if this is true then Olga is indeed deader than dead.

She is Faker and the younger sister of Hephaestion

Yes but don't watch it before stay night.

>Nowhich

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If Olga is somehow rescued will she even be sane anymore? She's been experiencing suffering beyond human experience for how long now?

She just replays the moment of her death over and over. I don't think she's aware of each replay.

Eh, Manjew was fine, so it's all good.

>literally got Diavolo'd
Poor Olga.

What even was the point of making a character like that only for her to do nothing and go unused for the rest of the story?

Hopefully so. I mean, didn't Marisbilly and Heartless know each other?

>His heir is even officially someone else
Actually Case Files keeps saying Olga is his successor so maybe Marisbilly hasn't found out Kirsch's talent at that point yet i guess? But still he doesn't care about Olga even in Case Files.

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They're using her again. It's implied that the Alien God is linked to her somehow. Also, we already know she'll be appearing in one of the Lostbelts as an alternate possibility where she was the one who led the fights against the Singularities rather than Guda.

Well yeah. Do you think Olga would be as neurotic and desperate for recognition as she was if her dad treated her with the slightest degree of positivity? It's clear from her attitude that Mathbully never gave her the time of day.

ORT is nothing really compared to aliens. You are thinking on the White Titan and the Moon Cell. Remember that the White Titan slaughtered most gods, including war gods, at their prime, and needed the planet itself to craft a weapon to be taken down. It was just one of the escort drones of an alien ship.
That's what humanity is aiming too.

>CF
The HGW is still a pretty unknown ritual because it's construction and mechanisms were kept secret by a Wizard Marshall and three ancient families, one of them who had access to True Magic. Nobody has actually managed to do anything interesting with it yet.
>SF
The blueprints were leaked and everyone and their mother is constantly abusing servants for their shit. Also there are a few walking apocalypses that may be triggered due to that.

He's an astronomer so hopefully spaceships

How did Marisbury, an expert in astromancy, manage to replicate the Einzbern limited third magic and the Makiri expertise in binding familiars to fork the HGW system?

Grave...... For You

It was the fate anime that Yea Forums had most fun

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THE CLOCK TOWER

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This show is really a treat for a TMfag

Wasn't that because of that Dead Apostle bishop?

Gil died on day 12 or so of HF, which is almost 75% of the route of 16 days, why does everyone say he dies early? Also, he knows because AM melted him in Zero, so he naturally, as per his character, got haughty and was fucked. Same with Kirei, same with Zouken. They either didn't recognize Sakura was powerful or wasn't gonna take anymore bullshit and then got fucked. It was especially Gil's fault, since he decided to just let the grail taint Sakura, then got buttmad she could control it when she was unconscious because he wants AM to be his personal attack dog because of asspain about humans when he could have instead if he wanted Sakura to lose AM, to just destroy the grail, but Nasu says he thinks killing her is mercy instead. Dude is not only egotistical, narcissistic, and basically a spoiled cunt, but he just isn't very wise.

Sakura's stuff post UBW is Nasu trying to keep HF unspoiled and seperate from all other routes, so unless he gets asked directly what happens to her step by step, he avoids it. He made a blurb in that novel with Rin and Shirou that they keep in contact, and Shinji he says doesn't care enough to abuse her anymore since he doesn't care about magecraft. That's the best one can get without intensely interrogating Nasu. Since he likes people to speculate since it lets him keep things vague.

she's DED

In the oldest ones takeuchi did everything.
In the one right after the omdest, Takeuchi did the drawing and then had someone else color it.
In the most recent ones Takeuchi makes an initial sketch and has other people finish it and colorize.

It's because the subsequent days are so fucking long that it feels like it happens a lot earlier.

She did the pose!!

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Nope. Twice says magi are the reason why all mana are gone in Last Encore and we got to know a bit more from its scriptbook. See

>got Aoki's studio doing it
>got Kajiura to do soundtracks
Too bad Kalafina disbanded

I fucking clapped

By finding a wife with good taste.

Or a sucker who would try to "fix" him no matter how painfully obvious it was he was fucked up. He also had a gullible father who refused to see how fucked up he was as well, and didn't bother to take in his granddaughter, who was sent to a random convent where she was mistreated due to having the similiar spiritual disease as her mother. The ducks didn't even want to teach her how to read. I hated Kirei before since they revealed in Zero he knew about the stuff with Sakura and did nothing, but the stuff he did by proxy to Karen was abominable.

Don't worry. In the world of Capsule Servant, she's adopted and raised by a young Shirou.

Huh been a while since I read SF. Is that the reason why he didn't leave for America? I only remember he intend to give Flat Iskandar's cape.

>Gil died on day 12 or so of HF, which is almost 75% of the route of 16 days, why does everyone say he dies early?

What does Gil do in HF again?

That IS her appeal. It's pretty rare for a non villainous bad anime girl to actually be unapologetically rotten.

Why is funi so fucking bad? Can't they get a translator that actually play the fucking game?

>Just as a side comment, UBW is kind of a terrible adaptation going off from Zero. The transition from Kerry to Shirou and his whole hero business works, but plot points that get hyped up like Illya, Saber's suffering or Kirei get mercilessly cut down midway through, while Gil is at his worst, most assholish behaviour. Fate route makes a better job concluding all these plotlines, and Heaven's Feel is peak Kirei of course.

The difference between Shirou/Kirei and Kiritsugu is that Kiritsugu had some humanity in him regardless of what he claimed. That's why he strives so hard to get the Grail and create his ideal world. He's not empty,he's just slightly broken and cynical but still has the childish desire of a world of peace deep inside. Kirei thus ends dissapointed when he realizes this. But in F/SN he ironically found what he was looking in the son of Kiritsugu.

She doesn't die in this timeline, right?

Goetia's plan fails, so yes.

By getting a wife and having sex. It's how most people do it.

Also this. Must have been some incredibly un-passionate sex.

By the time of Case Files yes she doesn't

>but really Zouken is the one proper magus you meet, and his circumstances are kind of a different can of worms.

Proper, as in trying his best to ruin the potential of a girl even a sorceress from the AoG says has great power within. Potential that a random bishop from the Church was able to tap into in less than six months by actually being a good teacher. If he is what proper magi are, then it's good they changed, that autism is poisonous. And don't give me the excuse of him having Alzheimers, he is able to cognitively understand how stupid he is being and pretty much says he doesn't care.

Everyone dies at some point, user.

Pain, misery, suffering, Mapo Tofu.

Apart from Zeltrech

He was there being a net as usual. It was mainly tying up loose ends that was shown in previous routes, where they told you some random "foreigner" was accosting Sakura. Now you know he was bullying her to kill herself but thinks that it was mercy. That is canon for all 3 routes.

>Also this. Must have been some incredibly un-passionate sex.

Strangely, I don't think so, given at this point she is bedridden, and moving is painful for her, he probably is at full mast pounding her. Plus it's always an ego booster if someone loves you, even for someone like Kirei. Then imagining the incredible difficulty in childbirth she would have, I could imagine him unloading the thickest shots he would ever have.

I guess he would probably enjoy sex if it caused his partner a suitable amount of pain. No wonder he married somebody sick and bedridden.

But Goetia's still alive right? Will he try to do something? Aren't Mage's magic crests from him?

It's impossible to watch this crap for Reines.

He needs an appendices on field to explain magic bullshit to the audience

Goetia's whole plan relied on Lev becoming demon pillar, but he commits suicide before that in every timeline that is not FGO. Goetia can't do anything anymore.

>Unapologetically a bitch
>Actually smart enough to back up her bullshit
She's the best type, along with Touko.

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>he commits suicide before that in every timeline that is not FGO.
I thought Touko killed him.

Nope, Lev killed himself

Touko and Aoko both were investigating his death. See, one of his personalities was friends with Touko and another was ftiends with Aoko

Well with those two investigating, there would be no doubt then, and no doubting the absence of any form of collusion between the investigators as well.

>ORT is nothing really compared to aliens.
Is that actually true? ORT is an alien itself, being Type-Mercury and whatnot, and Types are kind of a big deal in Nasuverse. I don't know if Nasu has ever compared the Outer Gods or the Alien God with Types yet, though.

She's not that much of bitch. Just a smug loli putting on airs because she needs to come off as a reliable future lord.

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lashara-sama is so cute

Why is it that all Imaginary Numbers users have screwed up lives? Is that why they end up so rare?

>I mean, didn't Marisbilly and Heartless know each other?
Yes, Marisbilly got Heartless to investigate the Fuyuki HGW and found out it's corrupted, which is why he doesn't take part in the wars.

Because God cursed him. I don't think the bible mentions immortality, but that would be a logical part of it if the point was for Cain to understand his folly and repent.

He might just be First Hassan though.

>dragon mana reactor, effectively infinite mana
>Artoria's physical stats
>rhongobongo, one of the strongest NPs
>either summon Iskandar with Gray as master and spam IH or summon something else, probably a round table knight
>probably ally with Rin and Shirou
they would have dominated that war

Count St. Germain is also sort of immortal right? He still show up in FSF I think.

It was some kind of curse to prevent people from murdering him, not anything to do with longevity.
It'd probably have some kind of invincibility factor in TM but I doubt it has any business being literally immortal, not even Scat got away with that and Merlin is only an exception to the rule because he left the Common Sense of Man for the Far Side of the World.

>Case Files
>10 years after 4th HGW
El-Melloi II is a promising educator and has no power so he's not a problem, might as well let him go and take over the El-Melloi family's shit
>SF
>20 years later
El-Melloi II is by far our most proficient educator, is providing the Association with some of its greatest young magi ever and the El-Melloi family is in far better standing. Better not waste this guy.

And there's the Wandering Jew in Fate Requiem.

>Artoria's physical stats
Is that actually confirmed, or is it just what she gets in FGO?
>they would have dominated that war
It would just result in Gil taking them seriously, which is basically death.

>which is almost 75% of the route of 16 days, why does everyone say he dies early?
Because the latter days are so long and very little happen on the earlier ones

>Is that actually confirmed, or is it just what she gets in FGO?
She physically turns into Saber the longer Saber is summoned into the world. So not initially, but by the end of the HGW she should be similar. I don't play FGO so I don't know about that, but that could just the servant container strengthening / limiting her, she's an Assassin right? It's also possible the version of her that became a heroic spirit never had long contact with Artoria.
>It would just result in Gil taking them seriously, which is basically death.
F/SN Gil would still job because he doesn't use Clairvoyance, thus doesn't know about Avalon. I imagine either Gray or Waver would find Avalon inside Shirou pretty quickly.

Wait is he still a Lord in SF, even after Reines came of age?

Apparently so

Saber's physical stats are those of a normal 14 years old girl
She just uses reinforcement and plana burst

Interesting how it used to be just a regular lance but now they made it more like Artoria's

Turns out not only he is a magic theory ace, but also an incredibly good politician.
Also, Reines owns his ass, so it's not like she isn't powerful in Clock Tower politics

Yes but Reines still owns his pathetic weaboo ass.

>but also an incredibly good politician.
I very much that. Waver is too much of a wuss to be a good politician.

She isn't genius. They even state it somewhere that as a mage she is no better than a novice.

Why isn't she taking particular lessions from her brother?

She is too young even for that.

Both Risei and Kirei were going into a high lethality magic clusterfuck, so it made sense to leave the kid with her family members early on so the blow wasn't that big if they didn't return.

So is Grey a servant or what? The 5th HGW hasnt even started yet so how can she appear?

No, she's just a descendant of Artoria who had some cult do some shit to her so she's as similar to her as possible, think of her as a proto-demiservant

She is in his class.