Let's talk about Shin CH a bit today.
Cutie Honey Legacy
Bentley Edwards
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Parker Taylor
The Shin Blu-Ray just released.
Though there seems to be a delay, either in the release schedule or logistically. At Rightstufanime, it seems to have jumped from "availble for preorder" to "out of stock, expecting more" and Amazon lists it as available from August 18th onwards.
Well, let's wait then.
As I'm going to rewatch it soon, not having properly watched it for years, I think I'll give a bit of a review from memory in this thread, before I do a proper writeup in the next one or two months, and see whether I some of my opinions have changed since back then.
Angel Walker
Oh, and another thing:
Because the recent internationial release of Universe doesn't have the the bonus CDs (with some extra lines by the seiyuu) that came with the Japanese release, and I feel that some people might be interested in them, here they are:
Lucas Wood
I'll write something down later.
But I do have to eat soomething first.
Dylan Russell
Cooper Roberts
Connor Nguyen
Logan King
Okay, here's what I think of Shin, what I rembember and look forward to, positives and negatives:
First off, great cel animation, great character designs, 90s aesthetics, nice sound and voicework. I don't think much about my impression of those things will change much.
I remember Honey being a believable older (as in "more mature") version of herself, very much the same character as in the original.
What I did not enjoy as much and where I wonder whether another rewatch might improve my experience is the whole Zora character in Shin. I do feel her role is too active and she would probably have ended up being some kind of end-boss, had there been more episodes.
I've always thought that Dolmeck was a rather poor antagonist and the whole fakeout a bit cheap, but I should probably give him another chance, maybe pay more attention to him and his character arc (?) this time around.
I do feel that the plot went nowhere in the second half, but maybe I was just missing a few things. I'm sure it was less dense than the first four episodes. Having a Jill-like character would have helped. (Then again, they did try to make Zora more Jill like. I guess I never quite accepted that.)
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Daniel Scott
Autism
Nicholas Moore
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Mostly, I liked the villains. I do definitely know that I liked Death Star and Sirene/Selene (heh, just like the Devilman character's name), for example, and not only that they were hot, but also their respective personalities (both of them very very cocky). Oh, and the Peeping Spider guy. His ambivalent role could have been very interesting after episode 8.
I also liked Honeys costumes, even though more classic ones would have been nice.
The side-characters were great, of course. So many cameos. Generally: Too many cameos and eastereggs to keep track of. I don't think I'll manage this time either. (Maybe it would be best to forget that they're cameos at all - the first time I watched it, I legitimately didn't know, as I was still a yound teen back then and knew nothing about Nagai.)
I do look forward to going through all of it again. Like I said, it's been years and this is a great opportunity to reevaluate. Hermeneutics for the win!
Juan Morales
Need to rewatch it, liked the fanservice.
Ayden Brown
Well, I do invite you to do that. I will rewatch at least the first half of it, so if you happen to be around in the next thread I make (first Sunday next month, September 1st), we can discuss certain aspects of it.
Christian Smith
sounds good, see you then.
Wyatt Butler
Yep. See you, and have fun rewatching.
Brayden Nelson
why did they make her gay? what a waste of a waifu.
Parker Sanchez
Armpits
Elijah Cruz
>why did they make her gay?
Actually, you can argue that they didn't. (Well, Anno did in Re:CH, but that one takes quite a few liberties anyway.)
Nat-chan, of course, always is a lesbian. But Honey herself generally seems to be attracted to both genders, as far as she's sexually attracted to anyone. In Flash, she even ends up marrying its iteration of Seiji. (Equally strange, from a canonical perspective.)
Anyway, there's no reason for you to assume you wouldn't (potentially) be able to win her over.
Asher Foster
Design wise she was kinda ugly and butch in Shin but animation (especially her transformations) were top notch in Shin, for some reason the dvd didn't have all the episodes when I bought it in the past.
overall pretty good not the best CH but not the worse
Julian Hill
How about these?
Brandon Ramirez
>the dvd didn't have all the episodes when I bought it in the past.
Are you sure? Because there are only eight episodes, and they do end quite appruptly and without a conclusion. They had planned on making more, but an alledged lack of resources forced them to push out the last few and end it there.
So if you saw those eight you might have gotten the impression there would be more episodes (as there should have been).
Ian Diaz
I'm game as long as there's no hair
Nathaniel Gonzalez
Good news for you then; Anime rarely goes the extra length of adding body hair.
Jayden Butler
That makes sense I guess, it's still bullshit though
Luis Cruz
I agree with you there, but I'm sure they didn't intentionally get it canceled.
Jace Allen
>Shin Cutey Honey getting a BD release in America
Why was I not informed sooner?
I'll have to upgrade from my old DVDs.
>the first time I watched it, I legitimately didn't know
Same here. I was in my 20s, but it was my first exposure to Nagai as well.
This. When one remembers that the final volume of Gunbuster got greenlit so close to the release of vol. 2 that they didn't have anything more than concept art to show in the the promo, one begins to understand just how precarious the OVA business in the early '90s was.
Elijah Reyes
>how precarious the OVA business in the early '90s was
Sometimes I think that when they made Shin, they were trying to make a late-80s OVA series with mid-90s resources, both financially and when it comes to time-constraints. It seems that they did run out of both. But the episodes they finished had an incredibly high standard of technical quality.
Asher Morales
Camden Morgan
Levi Cook
Connor Moore
Bentley Edwards
I watched Shin for the first time a while ago, it was pretty good; even its tongue in cheek humour was alright, considering how silly some Uncle Go's stuff kinda is.
Cutey Honey doesn't work as well edgy as some of Nagai's other work does
Julian Hill
>Cutey Honey doesn't work as well edgy as some of Nagai's other work does
Well, I'd argue that it simply isn't as edgy as many other Nagai things and usually doesn't try to be. It does have sex and violence, of course, but rather low key, compared to other popular Nagai franchises like Devilman or Abashiri Ikka.
Thinking about it, Shin might actually be the edgiest Cutie Honey, depending on how you define "edgy".
Cooper Flores
Do we have any idea as to when the rest of Cutie Honey F is being subbed?
Leo Hernandez
What I meant was it has the least WE NEED TO ENTER HELL BY KILLING THESE HIPPIES AND DOING DRUGS and THIS LITTLE GIRL'S SOUL HAS BECOME PART OF THE DEMON'S ARMOUR AND YOU NEED TO KILL HER, as was the case in Devilman
Robert Baker
BURNING UP!
Cameron Foster
The original manga had Honey's entire school get fire bombed.
Elijah Sanders
Well, yeah. Beating Devilman in that regard would be one hell of a job though.
>The original manga had Honey's entire school get fire bombed.
True. The same thing happened in Universe as well. And of course, Nat-chan (nearly) always dies. But it's still pretty harmless compared to what happens in the Devilman franchise, for example.
>Do we have any idea as to when the rest of Cutie Honey F is being subbed?
Not really. Last time the guy doing it said something publicly, he was planning to do episodes 11 to 20 next (which have been subbed before, so you could, in theory, already watch all episodes up to 34).
His last release did take a few months.
Juan Green
>Beating Devilman in that regard would be one hell of a job though.
Violence Jack.
Liam Rogers
True. But that arguably is part of the Devilman franchise. (Not that I'd definitely want to argue that.)
Oh, and you could also argue that the edge "vanilla Devilman" has more of a personal component and thus might hit you harder. (Not that I'd definitely want to argue that.)
I do think that violence of that level wouldn't really mesh well with Honey. (And I would actually argue that!)
Matthew Bailey
Thomas Sanchez
Last bump from me for today. I'm getting a bit tired.
Thanks for the interesting exchanges. See you, everyone.