Yeah, "disgusting" is the right word Hideaki you bipolar fucking nip. The god damn irony. After seeing the original TV ending, predictably I was disappointed and considered it to be too much of a depressing, surreal, depersonalized LSD trip for my taste that failed to conclude the character arcs in a satisfying tangible way. So naturally, I proceeded to End of Evangelion, hoping that this time the creators would pull their heads out of their asses and perhaps end the show on a more optimistic note - one that doesn't include boiling all humanity into a depersonalized soupy hive-mind and one where perhaps some sense of normalcy could be restored.
I didn't expect a complete utopian resolution, just a glimpse, a flash of optimism and hope that the Shinji and Co. could maybe find a way to overcome their issues and inhabit a reality where fulfilling connections with others are possible. Remember that alternative reality snip from the original episode 26, where Shinji and the others are shown as normal socially healthy high-schoolers? Man, if he put it in there consciously even on such a tight budget, then Anno would surely expand on that in the more well-financed final ending, right?
Instead, the fucker pulls a 180 and just decides that the series just wasn't miserable enough as is. Fuck it, let's retcon even the barely hopeful original and kill that last glimmer while we're at it. I'm unironically finding myself crawling back to the barely discernible warmth of 26 , not unlike the way all of fucking humanity crawled back to Lilith's egg at the end of 26' or the sorry otakus whose existence the show so vehemently criticizes to their escapist waifu-filled fantasy worlds.
Anyway, Neon Genesis Evangelion thread. To intercept the inevitable waifu debate, Rei is best girl and Asukafags will be shot on sight. Thank you for reading my blog.
EoE does end on an optimistic note though. Joining into a hive mind could be like a therapy session for humanity and anyone that wants to go back to being human can. Considering even Asuka is able to come back that should include everyone killed at Nerv, including Misato. The ending is a snapshot right after an apocalyptic event (and ending on Shinji trying to strangle Asuka is kind of depressing) but overall it is optimistic to some degree. Maybe try not speedwatching.
Grayson Martin
The ending is hyper optimistic. Shinji finally accepts himself, and begins to believe that even if there is pain, the mere potential for happiness is worth living for, and rejects the hive mind to forge his own future.
Isaiah Rodriguez
>can't grasp that the end of EoE is extremely hopeful and positive
As expected of retards that don't like the ending
Aaron Martinez
You're right to point that out, I didn't miss that detail as much as I thought it was flaky and uncertain, leaving the option of extermination on the table. And the last scene certainly didn't inspire confidence, it felt pretty nihilistic. Not saying that's bad, just sharing first impressions, and it certainly succeeded in what it set out to do.
>Shinji and Asuka reject Instrumentality and are isolated on a desolate planet while it being completely uncertain whether any humans will come back >extremely hopeful and positive Fuck off smartass can't you see I'm still brooding after that whole wreck not everyone is a desocialized autist like yourself.
Dude, it's just supposed to look cool, please calm the fuck down.
Adrian Long
Interesting interpretation of Instrumentality, for however long it lasts on an individual to individual basis, that is a therapy session - because being able to experience it and walk away should definitely enlighten those that reject.
My view of instrumentality was basically everyone was just plain having unrestrained intercourse with their desired partners in the submerged world of LCL (referring to that conversation between naked Shinji and Rei during Third Impact). It had to be the same for everyone, if not taken to more ridiculous extremes based on the individual.
That said, why are they depicted as being in the ocean of LCL when it is on earth, then inversely, their souls are in the upper atmosphere being funneled into the Black Moon? Did Instrumentality only work to extract the life energy of the individual (the soul), and leave the mind to float around inside the LCL. which is stuck to the planet as an all covering ocean?MY guess is yes, if in fact the Black Moon only really needed the actual energy of the soul in every human being to be able to perhaps restart life on earth, or yeet off in search of another world...
Nolan Perez
It depends on how you interpret Yui's bullshit about how everybody can come back. Either you take it at face value and there's a glimpse of hope or interpret it as "everybody can come back but nobody wants to" (Shinji looking batshit insane on the beach when he was normal emerging from the ocean)
Connor Morales
Its positive because Eva's humanity deserved to die for being such fuck ups.
Carter Morris
Thank you for confirming that I'm not the only one who thought Yui's promise was shaky at best, some of these other anons here gaslighting my ass, like what gives.
>LCL is directly referred to as "primordial soup" several times in the series. >Shinji and Asuka are a new Adam and Eve, reinforced by the fact that she's sort of the outgoing version of Shinji with the same problems, his complement. >Souls can "come back" from the primordial soup after repopulation sexy times begin. >Instrumentality is as fucked up as not existing, being in a soup means there's nothing to exist for, or around because no one lacks anything, being everything. It's a criticism of Shinji's codependent issues.
This has always been how I interpreted the ending, just too many biblical metaphors to be anything else IMO.
Jordan Williams
>but nobody wants to if people as fucked up as shinji and asuka do, this just seems like putting a negative spin on it for the sake of it.
obviously it isn't supposed to be a total happy ending eucatastrophe ect because the entire message is that pain is inherent to existence. the stark somber presentation keeps that ever-present in the viewer's mind, but it is not the totality of existence as that scene also illustrates very overtly
Kayden Fisher
Not everything has to end happily user
Hudson Cox
>Rei is best girl >doesn't understand instrumentality like pottery
Nathan Bell
Happy ending does not exist.
Daniel Turner
>the entire message is that pain is inherent to existence. the stark somber presentation keeps that ever-present in the viewer's mind, but it is not the totality of existence as that scene also illustrates very overtly I like your post, and the gist of my complaint here is that, although I can understand and see the value of these depictions from an artistic/intellectual perspective, I still succumb to somewhat superficial emotional reactions that are not that easy to filter out. And even with that in mind, I still somewhat disagree that with your final point, and think that the positive aspects of reality should have been illustrated more overtly.
>reifag is a retard who can't understand eva's message of properly or that EoE and 25 and 26 are the same thing from 2 different perspectives The ending shown at the very end of EoE is, while a bit bleak, the best and most hopeful outcome the series could have. people like seele who desire an escapist fantasy world where everyone is one and there's no real problems get what they want, people like shinji and asuka who are willing to accept reality and connect with others even if it means being hurt get what they want, yui gets to float off into space. The only person who doesn't get their desired ending is gendo.
If you think the ending isn't optimistic, that says far far more about you as a person and your outlook on life than it does about the series or it's writing
Logan Rivera
Finished eva and the rebuilds last week, what should i do now? Are the mangas worth it or should i just move on to a new show?
Dylan Wilson
Could be worse. There aren't any horrible semihuman collectives forming up out of the sea around a will to hunt the boy that denied them a place within the perfected being.
>Are the mangas worth it or should i just move on to a new show? The official manga is trash Some of the spinoff stuff is alright, I personally quite enjoyed the SIRP manga and GoS games for what they were, though unless you have a real itch for more eva, I'd say just go through your back log and keep them for when you get such an itch
Joseph Parker
>Asukafag >Throwing around baseless accusations No need to be so insecure user, we're all in this together.
well then digest it and think about it more over the next couple days and see what you think then, there's a lot more to art than the immediate shocking impression (though that counts too)
>the positive aspects of reality should have been illustrated more overtly there was no way to do that elegantly without mangling the metaphors the rest of the film spends all its time establishing — nor should they have because the superficial imbalance and the apocalyptic overtones are key to the tone and to creating the feeling of authenticity in shinji mindset and life. this is a situation where its trying to tell a very personal message, and skewing even slightly toward the saccharine would be a complete blunder and at odds with the series' worldview. it would just be a cheap pop done at the cost of the real meat of the film.
William Bennett
See my post right above yours for a clarification since you clearly couldn't infer my complaint from the original post, why are you autists so seemingly incapable of intuitively deducing the other's subjective perspective and take everything so literally, either that or you just skimmed through the OP. Can't spell everything out for you faggots.
>Rei is best girl >literally the shittiest character in the series that had the most shallow character depth out of all the cast >muh """"doll/clone that gains a heart"""" story all over again >thinks things could end in an optimistic note despite the fact that it was already implied several episodes earlier that they had no chance of winning a fight against Seele and Gendo just delaying the inevitable >also couldn't get what Shinji's instrumentality means Typical brain dead Reifag, Shinji's instrumentality is probably the best ending of the others. They really had no means to oppose Seele, ever, especially with their resources. It was inevitable. That restart button was better than Seele's idea of instrumentality (as well as Gendo's, who has no idea what to do with it other than restoring muh waifu), unless your idea of a paradise is a fucking hivemind. Then again, considering you're a Reifag, I think it would a better ending for you.
Bentley Thomas
The TV ending isn't depressing at all, what
Tyler Howard
What was Seele's actual endgame, what did they want from instrumentality?
Mason Long
>>Shinji and Asuka are a new Adam and Eve There has never been an Adam and Eve in a traditional sense. All beings were made from the tang when lilith crashed the planet without survivors. That is happening again. Of course as matter of fact, Shinji along with Adam, Lilith and his mother is indeed the progenitor of the new world, because he was part of the synthesis of the impact which led to a new terraformation (winter has erturned). Asuka is his first born 'daughter'.
Benjamin Ross
The first selfish wish is that they wanted godhood even if the other people die for it. Becoming perfect and unable to be hurt. The epitome of manchildren who see the world as doomed and shitty without realising they are the corrupted ones. There's a game Anno was involved that shows us 'Seele ending' which can only happen if they have control over everything (to unlock it, you have to avoid Shinji meet Kaworu, making Seele control over him absolute).
Aiden Lee
>Just finished End of Evangelion No you didn't. You can make an eva thread whenever you like you don't have to lie.
Julian Carter
It's just not optimistic for humanity as a whole, but for Shinji as a person as well. In the end he makes the active choice to love himself as an individual rather than merging into the LCL. This means that he overcame his crippling self-loathing.
Isaiah Murphy
I rewatched the film this evening after a few years i don't remember Giant Naked Rei being so fucking horrifying and her breathing didn't help either.
The ending is extremely optimistic. Its basically the same beats from the last two episodes. Did you think the Congratulations ending was nihilistic?
Austin Phillips
Congratulations had an upbeat tone, but was still pretty nihilistic getting there. Before being applauded, Shinji is lectured by images of everyone he knew and trusted that he's fundamentally incapable of perceiving truth, that he's as easy to hack as word-associations, having only his own sense of self to use as a metric for relating to all the rest of the universe. This confrontation includes Asuka and Misato, previously appearing as just as lost and confused as Shinji but then seeming to have accepted this ahead of him. There is also no mention of the sensation Shinji earlier described of melting and coming apart as having stopped, and nobody says anything about getting out of instrumentality. I can at least see how it got the reputation as the submission ending and Shinji agreeing to come play in imaginary scenarios while he waits for his mind to be digested.
Cameron Ward
Its just funny to me that it seems you wish you got more of that goofy schoolgirl Rei dream sequence as something that actually happened - when that is literally what the show was criticizing, that Shinji found a fantasy more appealing than life because it was free from pain and hurt.
Christopher Young
Nigger, I likened that to a lure Shinji's captivated by as he's melted into a soup of his constituent memes.
Colton Richardson
This. I used to think about EoE also being a happy ending but those words come from no other than Yui Fucking Ikari she is one of the most manipulative and insensible bitches in history while putting a facade of a sympathetic and caring person. She caused more pain to Shinji and everyone else and manipulated Seele, Gendo and the rest of the world for her goal of becoming a goddess for eternity.
Not only that but take a look at most people getting dissolved in the 3I only Shingeru was flat out refusing it, the majority aren't coming back. The ones that are coming back are living in a destroyed world that needs rebuild and is totally warped from the world they know. How many are going bonkers from that world or loneliness. Even the way Shinji and Asuka react on the beach after all that mindfuck from 3I they act like mental patients, if they had mental issues before they now are much worse, different than the ones they had but much worse.
Joseph Reed
cool blogpost retard
Blake Ortiz
Well, since I saw the review of eye patch wolf, I started watching the rebuilds from his perspective and it has all the sense he talks about
Considering every time he appears he wants to make Shinji happy but he ends up hurting him more than he can make him happy I'd say he's the polar opposite.
He turned Hotblooded Shinji from Rebuild into EoE Shinji (he had help but most of it was him) he graduated with high honors in fucking up.
Jaxson Bell
The minute Kaworu succeeds the show would be over, though. The plot has to force him to be incompetent or else all of Shinji's problems would be solved.
Xavier Perez
The point of one more final is to be poetic and bring things down back to earth literally and figuratively. After the climax in which Shinji finally gets it, and with that newfound understanding unlocking the possibility to be happy, he returns to a desolate earth having only the person he shares the most baggage with to do what he came back down to do. This is the work refusing to give you a dishonest happy-ever-after and is thematically superior for it. Just because Shinji gets it and just because you drank Anno's world view that doesn't mean it will all be sunshine and rainbows for Shinji or for you when you stop watching the movie, Shinji and you still have to do deal with reality and do something about it. So fuck you faggot OP for demanding works to be worse in order for you to forget about your miserable existence.
Oliver Ortiz
You just made me realize he's never fought effectively without autonomous weapons. NGE he's broadly telling Eva-02 to do things for him and not really aware of what it does, manga he has an actual deployment but just copies Asuka's flips and maims Eva-02 dropping his own weapon on himself, then all he does in Rebuild or pachinko machines is throw a self-aiming spear.
John Ortiz
Didn't read a word
Jacob Wilson
Well the last time he went all out was second impact, and he killed 3 billion people then
Jack Parker
Evangelion taught me to be nihilistic.
Elijah Thompson
Yeah he's really incompetent in combat, even in NGE2 when he sorties in Eva 04 against Leliel he gets absorbed instantly and then forces 04 to go berserk and do the same 01 did to it.
Henry Lewis
He lost control of his S2 that made him explode, even there it wasn't him directly.
He was trying to reclaim Earth to the angels and failed utterly.
James Collins
Like even in EoE, there were 9 copies of him and Asuka was clubbing one to death with another. They survived her by by playing dead and hiding that they didn't need heads to work until her battery was out and they were throwing homing spears.
Jacob Wright
>caring about an overrated and outdated story disgusting
Connor Watson
Reminder that jap ‘disgusting’ is not the same as western ‘disgusting’
Daniel Hill
Did Asuka's ovaries remain intact after she got speared by MP Evas?
Jaxon Smith
The ending isn't happy on a textual, in-universe level. Life will fucking suck for Shinji and Asuka. It's happy and life confirming on a meta-narrative level though. Even after all he's gone through, Shinji will still get up and TRY. Try to find friends and meaningful relationships, even when the world is in ruins around him. And so should you.
FPBP. It's bizarre how many newfags always think that EoE ended on a dour note just because they found it confusing.
Isaac Price
It's a small snapshot of 1 beach, you don't know what the rest of the world is like.
James Hill
the greatest ending in anime history
even more
in the history of commercial popculture blockbuster animation
he did it, an absolute madman
Chase Myers
To be fair if you were around back then this movie was very polarizing, people warmed up to it over the years and with several review and analysis of it got the massage and is now regarded as a masterpiece but back then even a lot of the veterans acted like the newfags nowadays.
Caleb Ramirez
Remember when Rei ended Shinji's virginity with her vagina?
Colton Wood
That was there, there were some few people immediately criticizing EoE as a cash-in by creators who hated the property and wanted to torture the characters while forced to use them to make this money. Most critics were just impressed with the craft of it and audiences were kinda pleasantly overwhelmed in an era where they'd have to pay to watch the whole thing again, without getting to pause to figure out any one part of what the fuck they just watched.
Joshua Ortiz
>Its just funny to me that it seems you wish you got more of that goofy schoolgirl Rei dream sequence as something that actually happened - when that is literally what the show was criticizing, that Shinji found a fantasy more appealing than life because it was free from pain and hurt. Holy shit, you people sound like a bunch of edgy tryhards when you say shit like this, how on earth was this the interpretation you came to? That whole scene was obviously there to do the opposite of what you're saying - to show Shinji that a different and better side to reality exists, to help tear down the walls he built around himself after killing Kaworu and falling into a depressive isolated state. Bunch of contrarians acting like tough guys the lot of you, give me a break.
This is a well-worded post that succinctly describes my own way of looking at it as I'm slowly digesting this whole thing, but for that subtle burn at the end damn user thanks for the encouragement I guess.
LOOOOOL i dropped that scooby doo tier shit in the first 4 or 5 episodes.
Brandon Price
Made me laugh.
Brayden Evans
That’s what I thought it was too. Don’t the characters talking to him even say that? That that is/was a possible reality etc.
Jordan Wood
How did Shinji go from that heartfelt goodbye to his mother, where he fully regained sanity and wanted to give living another try, right back to strangling Asuka?
