>As of the pain arc it is implied that one lightning clone is half of his Chakra
>Just looking at Orochimaru made him shit himself out of fear
>Gets surpassed by Sakura at some point
>Might guy makes him look like a beta
I expect more from someone who became a jonin at 12 years old.
Jonin is just a rank given from the hokage. He got it simply because the hokage was his team leader, not because he was actually a good ninja. The only thing that let him keep up with the power creep was the MS which he didn't use until shippuden
Average ninja knows maybe two jutsus and dies to a thrown kunai. Kakashi was a god compared to them
Lol I never considered it but I guess sakura could probably beat his ass
The average ninja is fucking useless kakashi is a god compared to them.
Not talking about the average ninja, just the main cast...
I keep seeing this same thread from time to time, OP is so obsessed with this character for some reason.
Kakashi was a shitty teacher.
He was good at actual ninja stuff like assassinations and clandestine missions. Even the chidori he came up with was mainly for killing a single target with one hit.
It wasn't his fault he grew up as a child soldier and then fell into dbz.
I've only posted like 8 threads overall
>jonin at 12 years old
The whole point is that he was nowhere near ready to be jounin at 12 years old, and neither were any of the other child soldiers.
>dude itachi had hokage-level wisdom at age 7
Itachi was a Gary Stu
We have to wonder though. Would kakashi be strong enough to beat neji? How about choji's dad? Would he struggle against Shikamaru?
How was he any worse than the others? If anything Jiraya was worse for abandoning Naruto for all those years
Without his sharingan he's basically just as mediocre as Asuma so maybe?
Don't forget what gary st- i mean Itachi did to him
He would've been Minato tier if he didn't get PTSD and eye surgery.
Only thing he taught all three of them was the value of teamwork and chakra control. Then he solely focused on Sasuke during the Chunin exams and left Naruto with Ebisu. Naruto got lucky Jiraiya showed up at the right time. Fast forward his "he's just like me" student fucks off. Naruto leaves to train with Jiraiya. Sakura had to ask Tsunade to train her.
He was jonin level in power and strategy’s but not mentally elsewhere like maturity.
I presume so just by having copied so many techniques that he ought to have a huge library of moves even without it.
>Leaving Naruto with Ebisu of all people so he can just read more porn all day
What was his problem? Was he really that lazy?
he literally has a Susanoo, what the fuck are you retards on about???
>war arc nonsense
It was nothing but ass pulls user. Were discussing Naruto, not dbz with ninjas
>hokage-level wisdom at age 7
Wrong. The argument was that he was able to reason like a Hoakge, and that's something far from being unrealistic. Early bloomers are able to see the bigger picture so instead of asking
>why does this person need to die
they realize that sacrificing a dozen ninja to save a hundred civilists is a reasonable thing to do.
>speed reader
Fuck off. He doesn't even have sharingan now.
What did Kakashi even do those 2.5 years? Just fucking about in the village with his porn out all the time?
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Ok faggot
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>>Might guy makes him look like a beta
Might Guy 1 v 1'ed madara and came within an inch of killing him he makes everyone look beta
Like user said above, he's really good at 1v1 fights and/or single target assasinations. He was never meant to fight in an all out war, thats supposed to be for soldiers, not ninjas. Even his early missions were to infiltrate enemy grounds and assination or intel gathering, with occastional sabotage missions (like destroying the bridge). Chidori was a high concentration and speed based attack to strike before being noticed, while his skilled hand to hand, expansive resevoir of skills from sharingan and surprise attacks from copying enemy skills make him excellent at 1v1 fights.
Tldr: good ninja, bad one man army
I think he was aware that he wasn't the right fit for Naruto. Personality clash aside; taking Naruto under his wing at that point probably have put his growrh back a couple of years.
This. Naruto was a powerhouse. He fits jiraia's fight style better than kakaishi's, while sasuke fits his better.
He's an assassin, a ninja. Unlike Naruto and Sasuke who are WMDs with legs. He was never meant to be Hokage, and the only reason he even ended up being nominated was because Konoha was weak as shit. Then, as soon as the war was over, he wasn't intended as anything but a retainer until Naruto came of age. Not sure what you expected him to do. He performed pretty well against Pain.
Neji and Choji's dad are below him in the jobber scale so Kakashi would probably beat him.
Shikamaru is on Gary Stu levels comparable to Naruto and Itachi so he might actually beat Kakashi
Only because ghost Obito teleported from ninja heaven to lend Kakashi his sharingans and his god chakra for a while
>1v1
Why do gaitards keep spouting this lie?
If not for Kakashi's kamui and Minato's teleport Gai would've died 2 pages into the fight with Madara.
1 v 1 with items*
He's a good smart ninja and has alot of hidden power and abilites we weren't able to see unfortunately.
We know that he can open 6 gates, just imagine him fighting with 6 gates open and the MS.
For now I think he's like the 5th or 6th strongest ninja in his village because I think Sakura overpowered him and also Orichimaru and tsunade exist and he lost the sharingan.
Maybe if he kept it he would be able to surpass Orichimaru.
I thought he only opened 1 gate
He opened one but he was able to open it also in part 1, his staminahugely increased in the war arc so I would assume that he's able to open more than 3 gates since Lee can open 6 with less stamina.
Overall it's all personal theories based on what I know about his increase in power through out the series.
In boruto he's not that strong any more I think.
This doesn't explain why he gave Naruto to fucking Ebisu. Even Kakashi would have done more good himself
Because the rest of the teams were already filled up. Idk maybe Kakashi could've traded with another team or something, but Ebisu was the quickest option to get Naruto away from him
he got hax from his bf. after losing it he is nothing.
Kakashi didn't train Naruto because Naruto was fighting against Neji, so if he lost, he'd only have a bruised ego. Sasuke, on the other hand, was fighting Gaara, so he had to win or he'd die. He prioritized Sasuke because it was the right call.
canonically he's the most intelligent ninja in the village, even smarter than shikamaru
Kakashi's feats are so inconsistent. Sometimes he can gain the upper hand against a powerful opponent and other times he jobs miserable against the next opponent even though they probably aren't as strong as the last one.
Ebisu wasn't that bad, he understood that Naruto had garbage chakra control and gave him beginners lessons to get good at it.
Meanwhile Sasuke needed advanced eyehax training which he could only get from Kakashi
Once shippuden started powerscaling got thrown out the window and everyone was just as strong as th plot needed them to be at that moment. At the final battle once he got a second sharingan he was able to create a full size sussano after abusing the fuck out of kamui for like 30 episodes
Kakashi's power level is all over the place. He becomes god mode in the ninja war arc when he can just use Kamui whenever he feels like it for some reason, and he gets a Susano'o that's on par with Sasuke and Itachi's despite only having it for five minutes.
over the course of a few months (shippudens timeline isnt all that long) He goes from being able to kamui twice and going to the hospital to being able to spam it constantly. twas bullshit
Funny thing is I don't think Ebisu would have even been all that bad a teacher for Naruto. Like sure if Jiraiya hadn't taught him summoning Naruto would probably have died vs Gaara (or at the very least accidentally killed Sasuke and Sakura as collateral damage), but Ebisu respected Naruto and was actually getting results from him even in the brief period that they were together.
The power of plot compels him?
Kakashi took 2 of kakuzu's 5 hearts and kakazu is supposed to be the 3rd strongest akatsuki according to redditards
He's around kage-tier, it's just retarded powerscaling that makes him look weak.
>Leaving Naruto with Ebisu of all people so he can just read more porn all day
/ourguy/
this was such an asspull, even by Naruto standards
In which case he's top five in terms of on screen victories. How strong did you want him to be?
The villain industrialized and modernized in a mere decade under his watch.
Just proves having the strongest ninja do all the Hokage paperwork is a dumb as shit system.
Orochimaru, a kage level enemy, had made an appearance in the village and marked Sasuke as his goal. Kakashi wasn't isolating the kid just to train him he was on guard duty because they were expecting an attack.
It wasn't though.
Thats probably true, he would have been stronger if he didn't have the sharingan and PTSD fucking him up and holding him back.
Admittedly, the value of teamwork is something he himself needed desperately to be taught in his younger years. He’d absolutely need to ensure nobody becomes like him.
Well, Kishimoto is a shitty writer.
He was based. A jobber, for sure, but based. There's no one on Yea Forums that watched Naruto and didn't fangirl over him. Stop larping.
oh ok
>Just proves having the strongest ninja do all the Hokage paperwork is a dumb as shit system.
it's the hokage's fault for not hiring more secretaries
>Just looking at Orochimaru made him shit himself out of fear
To be fair Orochimaru would fodderize 99% of the cast at that point in the story
because naruto is garbage and kishimoto is a disgusting hack who can't write a single good character.
>not overpowered = weak faggot
It's unfortunate shonen manga caters to brainlets like you.
I'd actually like a revamped version of Naruto that takes the power levels in consideration more. The hokage fight isn't very impressive now for example.
Literally the first person who actually understands what Kamui's powers actually do
Bad writing which lead to powercreep in the Main cast.
Not sure why Ebisu gets so much shit anyway. That chakra training paid off when it was time to learn the rasengan, sage arts, and so that Naruto wouldn't be a scrublord ninja that can't even walk on water when Sasuke tried to leave the village like a dumbass.
Imagine having to go to the School Principal's office and beg her to teach you because your teacher refuse to teach you anything.
This was literally Sakura's life.
Well sasuke was going to fight garada who had no issue killing him
as I think about it now it makes sense that a final chunin exams battle would be gaara vs naruto
jiraiya teaching naruto summoning+kyuubi control literally puts him 1 level above everyone except for gaara