Hmmm, Hensuki isn't doing quite as bad as I feared, with Takagi-san, El Melloi and Danmachi being the vanguard of decent anime here, though I don't know how relevant these ranking are anymore
Kevin Bell
Satania is doing ok, good.
Colton Martin
>picked up Ensemble Stars on a whim >it's actually fun Feels nice to be on the winning team for once.
Vinland Saga is cheap and boring but stonecucks said that it was very popular in Japan what’s going on?
Josiah Cook
>manga has shit sales >anime has shit sales TIK TOK TIK TOK
Christopher Morgan
literally all touma does is block then punch
Carson Bennett
>disk sales >2019
>8509位 Naka no Hito Genome >8713位 Isekai Cheat Magician >9133位 Joshikousei >14054位 Sacred Beasts >27727位 Try Knights >29909位 Granbelm >37706位 Wakanobu >37742位 Dr. Stone >83798位 Vinland Saga All making profit in streaming, merch and source material boost.
>37742位 Dr. Stone >83798位 Vinland Saga What the fuck is that gap? Is Vinlandu Saga really shitting the bed that hard after the anime had all those advertisements?
Give it some time faggot, people have to buy the previous volumes too.
James Anderson
Is the manga even remotely popular? Basing on nips taste right now, something like Vinland saga won't be the type otaku will get into.
Luke Harris
Number of sold copies.
Aiden Butler
Pre-ordering rank, the lower the number the more people that placed a pre-order
Asher Gomez
>case files >accelerator >symphogear ah pretty based
Jeremiah Morris
>hurr durr muh back log sales
Then explain why Kimetsu, Promised Neverland and even fucking Black Clover exploded in manga sales within the first 3 episodes and Stone's sales STILL stagnated after 3 episodes which were probably timed as the new volume released
Chase Reed
>case files >accelerator based >vinland >dr.stone PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFT
>9133位 Joshikousei This show is so good and so fun, I don't understand why it's doing so badly.
Robert Brooks
>fiery backgrounds Vikings confirmed for studio arsonists?
Kevin Fisher
>83798位 Vinland Saga
No wonder we get 100+ Isekai/fanservice/ecchishit and girly cute shit yearly and only a handful of something like Mob Psycho or Vinland saga. Fuck nips and their shit-taste. 2 nukes weren't enough.
He didnt say anything about quality tho. He simply said you got BTFO which is true
Jeremiah Williams
And neither does the lack of sales indicate otherwise. Or would you like to say that My Sister My Writer (which didn't even register in BD sales) is the pinnacle of quality?
Nathan Rodriguez
Btfo about what? Nips have shit taste(like most of this board),why would I be suprised?
Ian Barnes
It's the pinnacle of QUALITY, also imouto love can't be bad.
Ryan Johnson
Vikings BTFO by little girls drinking tea
Connor Wood
Decision to air 3 episodes then nothing for 2 weeks is the dumbest ever, and has certainly killed a lot of hype for the series. Won't read too much into it cause I do expect the rankings to rise in future weeks.
William James
>Otaku degenerates would rather buy more dvd's of little girls doing whatever for extra fap material instead of norse men rowing boats and pillaging villages. Wow,we truly lost,manimebros...
I hope you realize that it's all because of airing 3 episodes at once and then followed by 3 weeks break for no reason. All momentum and hype are lost and 0 exposure.
Andrew Gomez
>BEM not even on the charts
Oliver Kelly
And chink streaming didn't even save the "acclaimed in West (Stone and Vinland)" shows; checking the series popularity's in streaming sites most of the chinks are watching shit like Takagi, Oka-san and Danmachi, AHAHAHAHAH
>83798位 Vinland Saga Imagine being the guy that said "Yeah, let's do dead air for 3 weeks, that'll really move units".
Carter Peterson
What's the difference between Mingzuozhibi and pripri?
Hudson Ortiz
Foreigner streaming rights are sold lump sum. There might be some bidding war (lol just kidding everyone has near monopolies in their respective countries) but once you get the rights that's pretty much it.
Juan Campbell
Do you really think it would be any different if it aired those 3 episodes weekly? Nips have shit taste and this doesn't surprise me in the least.
Zachary Nelson
All chinks taste are about the same.
Anthony Carter
>37742位 Dr. Stone oh nonononononono
Colton Bailey
Joshikousei being that low makes me really really sad.
Lucas Lopez
Alright calm the fuck down about the anime sales for Dr. Stone and Vinland Sage. Dr. Stone's anime is produced by Toho Co., Ltd. so if the BDs are doing poorly they'll just compensate with profits from Weathering With You which are making billions in the theaters right now. As for Vinland Saga's anime, it's funded by government money since it's aired on the NHK national TV channel, so it's already paid for. That's why they're able to air 3 quality episodes at once as their production is ahead of schedule and they have the blessings from Shinzo Abe himself. Calm yourselves, children.
Does this board pretend to hate Vinland to fit in or something? Its seriously a shame that an actual good show is performing poorly, or do you actually enjoy eating shit
Josiah Long
Onegai Muscle doing good, good taste nips
Henry Cox
>this anime is doing absolute shit, better have another one save it
NHK isn't on the community for Vinland. You obviously have no clue if you think Weathering With You doing well will save Dr.Stone. You can't bring up manga sales for Stone as the anime didn't boost it.
Brody Jones
>37742位 Dr. Stone >83798位 Vinland Saga Based Japan
Jace Morris
>people watch anime for cute girls. not for manly vikings Who would have thought.
Nathaniel Cruz
>highest number is 98 so nothing is going to reach 10k again? how long until the anime industry collapses
Yes but Accelerator didn't have to make a long-ass speech and take tons of damage beforehand.
Also, he doesn't sleep in a fucking tub for some bitch.
David Adams
Seeing manimefags getting BTFO for the umpteenth time never gets old (see SnK BD sales last season). Also fags going my taste > your taste getting shat on is never bad
Justin Bell
Kadokawa funded almost half the series airing this season including the isekai and sol/moe, they know what they're doing since they're worth over $2 billion and all. Most fans already ordered their shit so ensemble and symhpogear will pass 10k easily, might pass 20k too.
Levi Mitchell
Is this season going to have even worse sales than the last two?
Jaxon Jones
Do you think "manimefags" get btfo by some source-less numbers? Do you also "btfo" art-house filmfags when disney's soulless live-action adaptation rake in billions while original and artistic films barely make enough to get back their budget money?
Jason King
If El melloi get >5k im happy, anime sales are so low now that i just read them to now how dedicated the fanbase in nipland is
Logan Carter
If their arthouse is not cute, then it's worthless.
James Nelson
I thought loli cop was doing it fine what happened?
Michael Nguyen
>equating the fags spouting Yea Forums-tier terms such as "moenigger" and those who work on the anime >equating the absolufe control of the Disney monopoly on all media in the western hemisphere to the relatively free anime market
Despite Kodansha's chokehold on the market, almost anything can and have the chance of achieving success (see Kemurikusa). Meanwhile manimefaggots want anime to cater to just them with swirly explosions and what not , ironically like those Disney execs you hate who just want capeshit in their repetoire.
Isaac Lopez
>first sentence Denial. >second sentence Bargain.
A couple of sentences more, and the acceptance will visit us.
Hunter Scott
>*278位 Takagi-san I mean, is an ok series but I hate how much it sells, that's all. >*329位 Danberu A reminder that absolutely nobody in the world gave 2 shits about this show before it started(except some /fit/ autists in this chinese cartoon board)and now look at it, top on popularity on both Japan and the west, now that's a pleasant surprise. >*861位 Machikado >1107位 Okaa-san S2 enough? Hopefully. >37742位 Dr. Stone Sad, really good show and will totally check out the manga after, but this series is basically done, you hear it all the time how the manga is going down on sales and now this, oh well.
Andrew Diaz
Somewhat surprised to see El Melloi do so well (at least relatively), I figured no grail war would make it flop hard
>absolutely nobody in the world gave 2 shits People started caring about it here since the references got posted regularly in the daily kengan threads back when a chapter was being translated everyday So people did care about it before the anime
Logan Ward
Isn't it? Sales make people lose their collective minds, never minding that one of the most influential anime movies in history sold like total garbage, yet it's still recognized by everyone all over the world.
These doubters, like people who judged Akira from its sales back then, will prove it again that they're on the wrong side of history. Vinland was already popular before, and I have no doubt it will stand the test of time once it ends. Meanwhile the memories of these haters will fleet off, like the foam in the sea.
Why pay for a shitty adaptation when you can just read the LN instead?
Levi James
Maybe they should have made the mechas look not shit and not have Yuri.
Lincoln White
Just because people RESPECT Akira doesn't mean there's studios lining up to make more like it. When every season for the past decade has been some flavor of isekai, battle harem or other LN bullshit, BECAUSE THEY GET SALES, people are going to look at this with disgust and spot the trends.
>Dr Stone almost last based Japan! (then again the top is fucking shit too; Most of the good ones are in the middle imho)
Owen Brooks
Visual Novels. It will always be the superior medium where most of the stuff is untranslated, which keeps EOPs away.
Asher Sanders
>99% male cast >men chasing their dreams not letting anyone take it from them >absolute chads even the most limp dicked shota has thousands of girls begging for his dick How is ensemble stars not Manime?
Angel Thomas
Why is Case Files so popular? It's just a fateshit but boring and even more pretentious.
>nips have such a shit taste they will swallow anything Fate related Hope you are ready for FGO shitty CGI fest anime to sell better than your favorite.
Liam Watson
Fujos continue winning.
Juan Garcia
Why does Yea Forums hate Fate?
Kayden Wood
Case files is just bad
Cooper Morales
But it's the best Fate anime we've got for a while?
William White
You say like it's an accomplishment to be proud for.
Could be nips preordering it for kicks only to cancel later. Fujodollars are all going to the top seller in enstars.
Liam Hill
>but muh vikingz are epic n shieet I'm glad retarded westerners got punished for their shit taste.
Anthony Wilson
Is it popular with gaijin? They do want gaijin's attention as they provided official english translations of the staff and cast comments. Just like how C&T has an english version of their official site.
Joshua Foster
anime about a friar beating up virgin viking pagans when
Connor Reyes
More popular than your favorite series will ever be.
Sunshine just sold 80k on first week. Nanoha did 30k.
And multiple shows should sell around 10k.
Hudson Butler
Anime industry revenue is growing over 10% per year for 8 years now. Only phone game industry is doing better.
Joseph Hughes
Ah okay, so you are just a retard.
Owen Stewart
Anime isn't dead, it's BD/DVDs that are dead.
Logan Brooks
Without KyoAni, anime is as good as dead.
Josiah Lewis
There was no big VN hit in years and there are like 5x less of them released than 10 years ago. Meanwhile anime is thriving and making insane money. With the current rate of growth it will surpass Hollywood next decade.
Carter Sanders
Their last good show was like 7 years ago. All they did recently was shitty LN adaptations.
VN companies are dropping like flies and the ones that are still around are branching out to either the Western or Chinese markets, or other revenue streams such as gacha.
He's also: >A little bit of trivia: I have the same blood type (B) as Naruto Uzumaki t. Mami Kawada Lover >This user has Autism >This user is a member of the Boy Scouts of the Philippines. >libtard >LGBT supporter >loves western singers like Bruno Mars, One direction, Adele and Nicki Minaj >loves American idol >likes dubs >This user's waifu is Tomoyo Sakagami >This user's waifu is Madoka Kaname >>>> waifus >This user is a fan of Sword Art Online. >>>>This user wholeheartedly believes that Love Live! is the greatest television program in the history of the world and parts beyond. >This user will watch Nisekoi at every opportunity. >This user likes the following television program: Sakura Trick. >This user is a fan of Kill la Kill >user uses Google Chrome >This user is a Roman Catholic >One of my philosophies in life is, whenever I see a YouTube video saying "No Copyright Infringement Intended" when they technically are infringing copyright, I think to myself "If you don't own the rights to it, then don't upload it!" My motto in life is the motto at the top of this page.
So much this. I actually wanted to give vinland a try, but all the obvious redditors acting high and mighty in the threads really left a bad taste in my mouth I hope they finally get some reality check
Joshua Lewis
Danmachi is outselling Accelerator! I'm surprised.
Christopher Perry
>I won't watch an anime because some people. Wow,what a faggot you are.
Isaac Cruz
Nice try, Yea Forumsedditor. Judging from this thread the people that shit on Vinland seems to be fags that use shitty Yea Forums memes.
Anthony Perez
>3446位 Fire Force
>37742位 Dr. Stone
NO NO NO NO NO! THIS CAN'T BE HAPPENING!
Austin Reyes
>So much this. Holy shit, salesfags confirmed redditors. Go back.
Tyler Howard
Not enough Chris and Kirika.
Ethan Moore
Doesn't seem too trustworthy
Charles Russell
>industry grows bigger while disc sales shrink This thread is full of retards
sales/studio wars in general are Yea Forums culture
Caleb Morales
Disc sales only matter for shitty niche shows.
Ayden Sanchez
Why do redditors keep defending Vinland Saga's bad sales?
Jaxson Brown
Why is Joshikousei doing so badly?
Robert Anderson
You are literally the only redditor in this thread. Go fuck yourself.
Christian Edwards
Because it's shit lmao.
Colton James
Vikingfags remind me of Megalo Box fans who couldn't accept that their shitty manime is a flop. They unironically think it's going to become a classic. They are retarded. They are underage children who think vikings are "so ossom." Fuck off, redditor.
Yeah. I can't believe there are so many people who like Yea Forumsinland saga on Yea Forums.
Blake Morris
how is cop crap doing it better than fire force?
Christopher Cox
Pedos
Chase Anderson
Fire force is shit.
Evan Parker
>Arifureta I can't say it doesn't deserve to flop like that after the horrid episode 1 and those CGI abominations. The only thing that makes me sad is that there are not going to be Yue doujins.
For gameplay ranking of the clevelands Monpelier -> Birimingham -> Columbia -> Cleveland -> Denver
Jordan Martinez
What's the estimated number when a series hit top 30?
Levi Russell
>3446位 Fire Force >37742位 Dr. Stone 位 Vinland Saga
I was gonna make fun of Dr. Reddit but the absolute state of Virgin Saga is too much. Firechads let's be humble in victory we got away with best animation, best plot, best characters, best ost, best VAs and now sales too it was never a fair contest for them.
Nicholas Garcia
I'm surprised to see El-Melloi that high. I guess it successfully combines fujo pandering with lolies.
I always wonder how do producers of the low ranking series feel. Especially with anime like dr. Stone or Vinland I'm sure they expected much more, probably thought that it would be big hits.
Vinland Saga will pick up. It's time for the plot to kick in
Luke Roberts
Where did you get this chart?
Henry Green
So Kimetsu no Yaiba is ranking really high on Amazon right now. C
Could it mean it’s gonna be a 10k seller? Also when will it release?
Jacob Campbell
Two days ago
Jordan Hall
Cumbrains will buy anything with cute girls in it.
Justin Lee
But series like Sacred Beasts is objectively much worse animated and have more cliche and boring plot then Vinland Saga or Dr Stone. I don't get it. I can understand why series with more cute characters will be higher, but Sacred beasts is literal shit tier and looks extremely cheap.
Kevin Fisher
Based Firechad. Plus with today's asspull stonevirgins are done for. I like Vinland saga tho.
>last encore At least we have some non event tickets/mobage presents anime selling something each season like kaguya that time or el-melloi in this season
Chase Martinez
>rated 6.9 on MAL lol
Aaron Harris
*165位 Symphogear XV I really doubt they will end this at season 5 as they said this shit print money by itself
This year is really bad year for anime. Sales gone down all across a board, mediocre and out right bad seasons in years, Kyoani tragic etc etc.
Josiah King
It has bishounen and loli. This can't go wrong, they get fujobucks and otakubucks.
Brody Hernandez
All three of you are flopping dipshit
Gabriel Clark
Where did this meme about streaming come from? Nips don't care about streaming at all. Studios pay for tv channels to show their shit. And foreign streaming is 1% of overall sales.
Matthew Garcia
>mal You have to go back.
Jack Scott
Streaming anime has payed for more seasons and is common knowledge that it's now a big factor when it comes to anime. What cave have you been in for the last 3 years?
Isaiah Cooper
Why don't you show us a toplist then.
Chase Ward
Shit bait
Josiah Smith
>is common knowledge Source? Do you have any numbers?
Jonathan Howard
You can always google "streaming revenue anime" and do some work yourself
Jackson Sanders
Doesn't look very good.
Matthew Brooks
Chad Ensemble Stars! single-handedly funding that Stone Ocean anime.
Lincoln Smith
You haven't been following BD sales for years
Matthew Collins
Why are you leaving out Kemurikusa?
Aaron Ramirez
I'm making this statement because I follow BD/DVD sales actively for a decade.
Jackson Sullivan
>2019 >Retards on Yea Forums are still posting about how bd sales are what decide the success of every anime series
So you don't have numbers. Thought so. Streaming doesn't mean shit for anime.
Thomas Davis
>83798位 Vinland Saga Made my day its garbage yet vinlandfags will shovel that shit into their mouths while screaming it's the most amazing thing.
Dominic Morris
What else decides the success? Western ratings?
Jacob Morris
Western market viability is a big consideration but hard to gauge. MAL scores are one factor that the industry takes pretty seriously, as well as how many upvotes the discussion threads get on Reddit.com.
Then you'd know a 20k and 10k in a season of sub 5ks is normal
Oliver Allen
Cope harder. There is no common knowledge about it, you just making up shit.
Logan Gomez
Imagine being this proud of being ignorant just becasue you don't want to look it up
Parker Lewis
>37742位 Dr. Stone >83798位 Vinland Saga Jesus christ they are getting axed mid season aren't they
Blake Baker
well 20ks aren't normall but I mean 1 or 2 shows only being in the 10k+ range. while the rest are low
Hudson Perez
There is nothing to look up. As I already said streaming doesn't matter at all for anime profit.
Jeremiah Johnson
Staff of the publisher told the bookstore worker Even if people buy our (K-on) comic, not even a yen of that would go into Kyoani's pocket so please don't put them at visible place as we won't be happy even if a lot of that can be sold on this away
Adrian Cox
And studios actually spent money on them if you look at animation. Sad!
William Reed
I'm having trouble comprehending it. I knew japan's taste was shit but this is something new.
Jace Roberts
I'm doing planking everyday thanks to the show, it's so simple it's perfect for lazyfags like me.
Jason Butler
Vinland Saga maybe, but Dr. Stone? The art and animation are extremely mediocre.
Bentley Evans
>Fucking Try Knights is just above the two anime Yea Forums always circlejerks against This is definitely fake.
Oh they brought back preorders? Last I checked the site owner said they'd quit tracking them.
Gabriel Roberts
I still enjoy it but it's really always the same. It's the same template every time and they just change the design of the enemies and their names and the artefact, it's always the same dynamics and the increasement of the main group is getting annoying. Also, trying to make a 70k killer relatable is a really risky thing, it might work for certain cases when there is a bigger plan and shit behind it but in this case it's just some psycho loli murdering people for fun and you cannot make her likeable by showing that she has some private problems.
Josiah Foster
As expected. They're targeted to foreigners.
Hudson Smith
They want the Scandinavian audience.
Isaiah Jones
They want the western audience who has a fascination with vikings and WE WUZs them.
Kayden Adams
So Scandinavians and Americans who got 3% Norse on My Heritage?
Kayden Rogers
Vinland saga is not flattering to the vikings at all. It excoriates their entire ideology.
Henry Edwards
WE WUZ is bigger than genetic heritage. Its an identity acceptance of a culture that you relate to. The niggers going "WE WUZ KANGZ" have almost 0% relations to Egyptians. The "WE WUZ VIKINGZ" crowd are equally retarded larpers for that matter and chances are they have close to 0% relations to actual vikings. However the ideas are population enough that good majority of those westerners and basketballs pick up on them easily and identify with them.
Chase Howard
It'll probably rise to top 100 after tomorrow's episode. Plus, there's always music disc sales.
waiting for the extras and concert tickets announcements
Dominic Cruz
They'll be out sometime next week
Evan Cook
Seeing Arifureta that low is strange considering the light novels seemed to be popular and how it was supposed to air way back last year but got delayed.
Ian Gomez
Not yet, but right now it's ranking well in Rakuten and Amazon
Luke Johnson
>danberu so high >weebs also love it Noice.
Landon Allen
>Stone >popular anything
Oliver James
Popular shitposting material
Oliver Myers
Crunchyroll and Funimation paid a shitton for Dr. Stone and Fire Force. That should hopefully mitigate any losses for the studios.
Were they always intended to be made for a Western audience?
Brody Long
My fucking sides
Wyatt Wilson
t. fatass
Asher Miller
Yes. When Yea Forums hears "made for a global audience" they think it means anime will become more like western cartoons. When really all it means is shows that you don't need to be Japanese to enjoy. Something like PTE will never be mainstream in the west because every joke is a Japanese cultural reference. BnHA is made for Western audiences and still takes place in modern day Japan.
Vinland Saga deserves to fail. That shit hypes you up with Thors then bait-and-switches you by having him killed off, replacing him with his angsty emo son, and every other character sucks. And yes I read the fucking manga.
>29909位 Granbelm >original anime doing this badly RIP.
Justin Gutierrez
It always felt like it wasn't promoted well. Like before it aired it simply had no hype to it.
Elijah Harris
Original mecha is dead, they should have made it mecha musume instead.
James Price
The thing about Granblem is that it wasn't only a mecha show but it also had elements of gridmark and magical girls. So it was less than a rip-off of Gundam but more like inspired by YuYuYu.
Not him, but you're the one living in a cave. Streaming is at best 1-2% of anime revenue. MD + games are the big things. Games aren't officially counted for anime industry revenue, but you only need to look at gacha revenue numbers to see how much money there is. Overseas revenue includes overseas MD sales, most of the overseas money comes from Chinese otaku buying official MD. Blibli is public, they're required to release their financial information and are the top player in the most important streaming market. Total 2018 streaming revenue is US$85.2 million. The 2017 China International Cartoon and Animation Festival sold over $290 million worth in MD and goods. A six day event, two years ago (in a growing market), had more than three times as much revenue (in MD) as the entire streaming sector of Blibli had in 2018.
Caleb Ortiz
Dr. Stone has always sold less than Bokuben though. In fact, it only sells more than Yuuna and the newbies in current Jump
Camden Rogers
Dr no sales
Cooper Diaz
Fate spin-offs always seem to sell around 4k to 7k.
Austin Ortiz
Well it's still better animated than this
Dylan Foster
So does this mean Dr. Stone is getting the axe soon?
Leo Miller
>paid a shitton How much?
Nicholas Gray
Isn't this the show that got delayed for a whole year? Couldn't they have fixed its problems in that time?
Carter Peterson
Yeah because big shounen, gundam and kids series make over half of the anime revenue. Take those away and streaming is big and now necessary for a show’s success, more and more series are going streaming only skipping tv. Bilibili funds entire anime and and gets good profits from them.
Benjamin Gonzalez
>Streaming is at best 1-2% of anime revenue That's exactly what I said.
Jack Howard
The delay probably caused it since they had to change staff and character designs. Which basically means scarping everything they had done so far.
Isaac Hughes
All of the new series are shit, so no. However, at this rate Dr. Stone will become outsold by every non-axed manga.
It has some but it’s mostly war so it’s to make the watchers more manly and go fuck women.
Christopher Butler
Based idolshit making part 6 happen
Jayden Sullivan
>t.faggot ONEGAI MUSCLE
Isaiah Roberts
>david is the studio What the fuck
Elijah Stewart
>good animation >good writing and relatable characters >tons of fanservice >original concept and theme (not many SoL shows about weightlifting) >relatively faithful adaptation of a popular manga by a popular studio
Eli Parker
Azur Lane is guarenteed to sell at least 30k next season, regardless of quality.
>average anime costs around $100k - 300k per episode >Foreign licensing fees on Pretty Cure alone make Toei over $3M and their episodes are on the low end of budget Literally pays for itself
people still care about sales when charts year and year show how insignificant physical disk sales means to revenue?
Cooper Ortiz
Mizuki Nana and also they will have concert tickets on their BDs eventually.
Nathan Garcia
>good animation >good writing and relatable characters Well it's better than Shounen garbage, I'll give you that.
Isaac Kelly
Symphogear literally stopped being decent and enjoyable after partway through season 2. It's just retarded at this point.
Jayden Foster
They won't axe anime, but they could axe BDs release altogether for it and Vinland if they'll realise that it would cost more to produce them and there won't be any profit.
Landon Turner
>29909位 Granbelm Brutal Especially considering it's an original
Christopher Ross
It's still revenue and to anime originals that aren;t related to netlfix or nhk it's highly important.
Kevin Nelson
>>paid a shitton >How much?
Don't know the exact amount, but getting billboard ads on freakin' Times Square must have been ridiculously expensive
Jeremiah Gutierrez
Still better than shitland saga and I don't mean this based on just preorders, the better sales is just icing on the cake.
