Nanoha Thread

Do you think we will get Vivid Strike season 2? I want more Fuuka

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More Fucker would be nice

Rude

The next project is probably StrikerS related so maybe not anytime soon

Is everyone really assuming that because of the StrikerS VAs?

I don't think they should have moved the timeslot. Anyone get tired of the new commercials that kept airing? Someone needs to let them know what's up.

Why not? They're showing up and Detonation's ending has them graduating. It might not be a StrikerS retread but it may be another shot at using the characters. It's basically the only real speculation we can make at the moment.

Also, looks like Ron just uploaded the rest of the next volume of Vivid Life, it's pretty good.
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>Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha Vivid LIFE - Volume 2 (English) [ron]
mediafire.com/?kyrm5a0wzeb0ajc

The direct download link is far more convenient. Half of it has been posted before. Half is brand new today.

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Thanks Ron

I don't see more Strike happening, at least for a while. A shame since I want more Rinne myself. Maybe once they've done more with the main Nanoha cast.

For now though there's Vivid Life. Awesome job, didn't expect a (half) full volume drop. RioGolem is unstoppable.

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Nice to see more Vivid Life being translated

This is like waking up to find a present at the bottom of my sock.
Thanks again, aRon-oneesama.

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If it's a StrikerS movie then it better be more than one

>nanoha lost her arm and eye at the end of Detonation
Please tell they replace it with full steel military-grade robotic arm and a robotic eye that glows red. Did nanoha ever got btfo that hard before?

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>Did nanoha ever got btfo that hard before?
Technically Detonation is the hardest she’s been BTFO, but it feels like her injury in StrikerS was way more impactful even if the injuries weren’t as big as losing an arm

The impalement was gone into far more detail and had a lot of impact on her life and outlook. The literal detonation didn't really do anything as far as what was written in the movie. It's kind of a waste considering we got such an injury in something other than a flashback.

>Vivio vs Miura
>Sieg vs Einhart
>Sieg's tits
>Vivio vs Einhart
>More nudes moments
fucking never

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Gimme more animated Sieg!

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Consider just how mentally fucked up Fate is and what Nanoha means to her. Beaten senseless and whipped by her mother, never praised or lovingly touched. Nanoha was arguably the first person (aside from Arf) to reach out to her. She's her first friend. Likely her first and only love. Consider just how hard Nanoha could mentally btfo her by breaking up with her- or cheating. Just think about how mentally subservient Fate is to Nanoha. Nanoha could force herself onto Fate any time she wanted and Fate would not object.

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>Nanoha could force herself onto Fate any time she wanted and Fate would not object.
Pretty sure she does. Or she would, but you can't "force" the willing.

>This small child is better than 75% of normie mages.

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>Nobody on Midchilda knows what an Asian is
>Nanoha either looks retarded or completely foreign to them.

Nanoha gets to aheago face this 10/10 every night

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Child Nanoha was able to BTFO Fate, who was a prodigy, dunk on Ancient Belkan warriors, and fight toe-to-toe (albeit in a losing position) with the embodiment of the Book of Darkness.

75% is not giving her enough credit at all, she's better than practically all of them.

Hayate is asian too

Doesn't change the fact that most Mildchildans have never seen Asians before.

Regrown with nanomachines, Yuri('s magic), and TSAB medical care.

It's the same timeframe (age 11, 2 years after she starts working for TSAB) as the injury referenced in StrikerS, so it will probably serve the same purpose in the movie timeline.

Fate and Nanoha don't look very different at all.

>pasta

Love is giving someone the power to hurt you and trusting them not to, user.

>Regrown with nanomachines, Yuri('s magic), and TSAB medical care.
There's so much conflicting information on this.

Exactly.
I actually wrote the pasta one or two Nanoha threads ago.

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What the fuck even was the potentially crippling injury? If Midchilda and some other magic shit could regrow an arm and eye, what the fuck happened?

Was Nanoha gored and then had her organs and shit ground up in her abdominal cavity?

Technical capabilities between the movie and main continuity are very different.

She was habitually overexerting herself, as she does, and got impaled by a type-4 gadget drone and its AMF fuckery.

I would say the medical technology implied in StrikerS isn't as handwavey as in Detonation. It was illustrating Nanoha's determination. I don't know what they're doing with Detonation going " ... and she's all better".

>tfw Midchildans don't have any real physical differences with Earthlings.
>Tfw Midchildans aren't a tall race of aliens.
>tfw we could have had Big Fate and giantess doujinshi.

Vivio is going to be around six feet when she's done maturing (and even then she's Belkan and a clone of magic Belkan jesus.)

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This. This is why femdom is the best fetish.

user stop making me want things that hardly exist.

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>implying Fate is a sub

>former convicted felon held responsible for all wolkenritter crimes as mastermind
>received monetary aid from criminal who she maintains good relations with
>living weapon of mass destruction bonded with evil artifact and taking a form with black wings
>forms unit that isnt a front line unit in name, but skips chain of command and reports directly to TSAB headquarters, conveniently given go ahead for combat operations
>concentrate power by getting 2 best aces in the force, making them "instructors" as the excuse, bypass complaints by putting limiters on them that are removed once they get into front line action
>using personal connections to church to solidify power base, use nepotism from one of her top officers being siblings with an admiral the same way
>said officer also recruits her adopted children, seems harmless but one of them HAPPENS to be a dragon summoner
>recruit another team of harmless rookies where one happens to be a purpose built combat cyborg
>Two top officers' adopted child is the reincarnation of a religious deity worshiped by a significant portion of the populace and can be used to gain popular support at any time
>command chain is family and friends all the way down from the highest positions

Who will stop her?

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user...I....

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The focus in Detonation was more on how Nanoha wanted to live for the sake of not making others sad and that she'd eventually come to love herself, but it was all in the exchange with her inner self with no current payoff rather than her making several life changing mental revelations as she recovered in the main timeline that DID directly lead to her gaining a sense of worth for her own well-being, calming down on exerting herself constantly, determining to make sure that others don't make the same mistakes she did, and having a taste of renewed helplessness that fired up her motivation to get back to action that created a miracle that surprised even the medical staff. You know, rather than just kinda being back on her feet with no self input pretty easily because of super magic machinery.

Hayate has done nothing but win. She's cocooned herself in nothing but support, allies, friends and could probably politically btfo every other member of the TSAB command if she wanted.

user...I

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Hayate may not be good at direct combat but she's got bureaucratic tactics under her thumb. Even after the special circumstances in StrikerS were over, reforming Section 6 was easy as pie in Force. She could arrange anything she wanted at this point with all of the clout of the members on the team.

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Well memed

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I love Fate!

The TSAB shot themselves in the foot by allowing for Nanoha and Fate to garner such extreme public support and popularity. Nanoha has MOVIES that have been seen by who knows how many people. And then they made the mistake of letting them raise magic jesus. Doing anything against them would bring down the pr fires of hell. Hayate is smart to keep them close.

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>PR fires of hell
There would be other fires.

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Nanoha and Fate are really perfect for each other. They compliment one another so well.

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Was there ever any explanation for Hayate's excessive number of devices? Could it have to do with her relative ineptitude due to Reinforce's sealing only hours after her liberation?

By my count she uses:
Schwertkreuz
Tome of the Night Sky
Reinforce Zwei as a Unison Device, who has her own Tome of the Azure Sky

I want a Vivid Strike A's.

Implying the next series won't be named Vivid Force

Einhart vs Corona is where vivid peaked anyway.

The staff and Reinforce (albeit, both of their current incarnations are recreations) came naturally with the Tome to better direct and control its massive mana output. It's not exactly Hayate's fault, there. The Azure Tome is for Rein's own personal use because it's required for her own individual functions as a Unison Knight.

Don't forget Vivio vs Nanoha

I'll take it

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Lalala this never happened it's not canon I CAN'T HEAR YOU

Bitch got fucking lucky. Next time I would've raped her.

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Do people seriously try to deny that?

>literal backstab

What's the issue? It's not like Vivio beat Nanoha when both were at full power or anything.

In fact it's made abundantly clear that under anything approaching normal circumstances rather than a sportsmanship ruleset, Nanoha would obviously win. Even if the special arena was the same, Nanoha had the edge for much of the fight and if VIvio went down at all she'd be out completely, rather than having a chance to recover because Nanoha'd have bombardment magic all over her ass.

Oh my, what a great news. Thanks!

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>the character interaction that has almost no chance of ever happening

Cinque!

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>Implying everybody on Midchilda is not space-asian.
And major Nakajima. I wonder about Rio and the Lufenyards.

This volume reminded me of how hard nearly everyone from StrikerS sans for a very select few got dropped post-Intermiddle after they appeared about as much as you'd expect them to near the start of Vivid. Granted, that also coincided with the manga's own original cast numbers going up and becoming able to carry the narrative, but still.

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sekuhara suit
See here? They know why they keep both her hands full. Next time they should give her an oxygen mask. You know, you never know.

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What should I watch after Nanoha Strikers? Does vivid adapt all the manga?

No it doesn’t so just read the manga. Although I would still recommend watching the anime at some point

Be sure to watch Vivid Strike! after you finishing reading the manga

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Cute!

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Vivid strike is the continuation of the manga?

Yes. It’s a sequel to the manga, but Vivio is not the MC.

Either watch Vivid and then read the manga from chapter 32 onwards and then watch Vivid Strike, or just read the Vivid manga then watch Vivid Strike as has already been suggested.

Love this pasta

It's time for me to get into this. Should I start with the recap movies or the TV series?

Does anyone else find it weird that the Nakajimas decided Subaru was younger than some of the numbers even though she's multiple times older by activation date and life experience?

How did they decide, anyway? Apparent age? How is Cinque second oldest under this system?

Watch the first season (Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha), A's, and then StrikerS.

If you can't handle the weird pacing/low budget of the initial season you could watch the first movie if you wanted to, but I'd still say go back to the first season eventually once you're more into the franchise. Don't watch the second movie as your first exposure to A's no matter what.

I hope you enjoy the series, user!

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Cinque's activation date is way way back. But yeah, not clear it is before Subaru. I think has to do with Scaglietti preconditioning the girls so they are older than the time since activation gices - during the season, Otto and Wendi are like weeks to months "old".

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Thoma and Fuuka would probably get along extremely well

Subaru was raised like a normal human for the most part and her mental state reflects this whereas the Numbers' origins involved a lot of fuckery and manipulating them into feeling that they're older than they actually are so they're useful faster. Cinque's activation date is more recent than when Subaru was officially marked as born, after all, but she was in a higher state of mental functioning from the word go.

Thank you user, I'll do just that.

>Hayate never got to properly fight with the Fortress even in the new movies
Best girl got screwed over

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Fate got it even worse with only what, 2 stand out scenes in Detonation? Nice way of treating the most popular character in the franchise

Fate got the big focus insert song scene in Reflection that also happened to be by far the best Material confrontation, and a large amount of character focus there too. She's my own favorite but I can't be mad about how Detonation handled her when we got an adorable followup scene with Levi and she still flew in to save Nanoha when it counted. The movie had a bunch of other stuff to cover and it's understandable with Reflection in mind.

Hayate just got plain shafted, the Knights got a lot more than her in both films.

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I love how Ron actually translated Fujima's and Nekotoufu's pages. Seems like most groups don't. It's really nice to hear some of the thought process and personal feelings that go into the series.

I find it odd that it's such a rare practice, I always love reading author insights. They're usually the easiest pages to typeset too.

Probably because most groups are exclusively reliant on Google Translate and big walls of text with no images to establish context make them scared that the readers will realize the group's incompetence.

Note that one part (not super important, but is referenced in Vivid) of the story is only told in StrikerS Sound Stage X.

This audio drama takes place 3 years after strikers and 1 year before Vivid manga. LUckily it is translated.

sites.google.com/site/translationcd/home/strikers-ssx-01
sites.google.com/site/translationcd/home/strikers-ssx-02

How many of you here have listened/read to that btw, and how many not?

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>watched everything including the translated picture dramas
>read every translated official manga (not just vivid/force)
>watched the movies with their commentary tracks
>read plenty of technical information off of the wiki because full translations of supplemental material are hard to come by
>read tons of translated doujins
>still can't get myself to read the sound stages
I have no idea what's wrong with me.

You are missing out a lot. Fun bits like who drinks like a pig, breast groping crimes, numbers getting adopted.

But mainly, SSX is actually a story, a mini-season, not supplement, so you really should.
So much of Vivid references it.

BTW there are some great songs in them. Signum, Lynith, Yuuno (female voice hah...) have ones, particularly ReinForce Zwei's is great. And there is 2-3 Nanoha, Fate and Hayaate ones per season.

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I got all the translated sound staged, but I couldn't finish reading SSX, it just didn't do anything to me, and I don't think I never finished any of the megami ones either, I don't even remember, those were just plainly bad.

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Also, "Mariages" was some top tier meaningless engrish.

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Yeah. Megami ones are throwaway stuff.

I used to love this franchise now I can't even find the motivation to watch the last movie.

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Why not? It's less than 2 hours long and you've already seen Reflection.

I was like that but it pulled me in quickly onxe I started. Was better than 3rd and arguably fixed the third for me to some degree, After seeing hte 4th I like the whole more.

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Also you don't even have Bitchkun around to disgust you away form the movie.

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I have. But I may not be a very average data point.

And that's one of the reasons I didn't bother with the Strike sound stage. Glad you've enjoyed my other more obscure projects. Some of my doujins have been more popular than the commentary subs which took over a month of work each.

Do it for the nostalgia. That's what I do. Though I actually really enjoyed Detonation. It connected with me in a variety of personal ways, but I understand if not everyone feels the same.

I wonder if the asked fans what they want from future StrikerS gaiden material and the answer was "mariage!!!" and "loli!!!"

Who made the first move?

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Nanoha, of course.

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I see, thanks!

>Some of my doujins have been more popular than the commentary subs which took over a month of work each.
I really appreciate your work on those, they were a ton of fun. I imagine visibility and ease of access is part of the problem, it's easy to find doujin translations and read them online but not everyone even knows the commentary tracks exist, much less that they're translated. Somewhat tucked away DDL links and the necessity to set things up in MPC (as hilariously simple as it is) works against them as far as possible exposure. I think it'd do some good to make a pack of your more obscure translated stuff and get it out on a tracker, I know you included a txt file with your Strike BD release that had a bunch of download links but that was tucked into a folder itself that people would normally assume didn't have anything special in it. The way you tend to release your work is very low-key and makes it extremely easy to miss.

Have you considered translating the chibi specials on the Reflection/Detonation BDs? I know Vivid Life's your current project and getting that done's a lot more important but those would be cool to see some day.

As for the Sound Stages, I remembered the reason why I was initially turned away from them back when now that I took another look -- the translation jobs on the first few are hilariously bad to the point where the transcription itself features several admissions of it and there are like 3 different romanizations of the same names in the same translation. I took a peek at the above SSX link and that seems to be much more competent by comparison so I assume they're not all like that. I'm going to sit myself down and force myself to get through those now that they're on my mind, no time like the present.

I want more Rinne, but more Fuuka is nice too.

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The sounds stages are some of the best parts of the franchise.
The stories feel smaller and more personal so they don't get as bloated as the main series and the one thing nanoha always excelled at is their seiyuus and they really get to shine in the sound stages.

Amen, if you can't enough of hearing Fate's (or others') voice, the sound stages will kill you.

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Do you think Rein has trauma from Vita's toys? I'll bet she's had a bad run-in with a slinky or two.

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>I imagine visibility and ease of access is part of the problem
Wow, you actually pay attention to what I do and recognize that I have a problem promoting myself. The elitism of Yea Forums always told me that I still needed to lurk more. As a result, you'd probably be shocked by how little I post even now. Additionally, I was correctly trained that social media (FB, Twitter, reddit, tumblr, blogs, etc.) are all clusterfucks of stupid attention whores. So I don't have accounts for any of those and hate the idea of changing that. But without a presence on those outlets, it's difficult to effortlessly promote my work. I'm actually very fortunate that the largest concentration of Nanoha fans isn't on any of those platforms at all. It's on Yea Forums. So I don't know how much compromising my values would even help. And I'd feel like such an obnoxious asshole going around here spamming links any more than I already do. I almost never post a link more than once. I didn't even think half a volume of Life deserved its own thread so I was thrilled when someone started this one right on cue. (Sorry to derail your discussion, OP. I was trying to wait a while until this observant asshole blew it.)

>make a pack of your more obscure translated stuff and get it out on a tracker
Two main problems with that. First is that there isn't a huge amount of obscure stuff. Really just two or three things. The second is that there's no way to update a torrent. Right now, I feel like my list of DDL links, which can pretty much all be found and edited in my torrent descriptions, gives people easier access. Believe me, I've thought a lot about making such extra torrents and have considered far more options than simply what you're proposing. I just don't think that almost any more people than already do would care which is a problem in itself when trying to keep torrents alive.

>Have you considered translating the chibi specials on the Reflection/Detonation BDs?
Yes, I have.

I can understand that sentiment and believe me, I appreciate your status as someone who isn't anything remotely approaching an attention whore for all of the stuff you do. Still, if people actually taking note of your translations is a concern with motivation, it wouldn't hurt to advertise them a bit more when you're posting around. I don't think people would mind much, sometimes all it takes is a timely reminder to get someone started on finally getting around to something that's been translated for a while (LIke me and these Sound Stages I'm reading through several years too late. Making it through the clunky translations is a bit of a hilarious mess but it does remind me of the older days. Thanks to the anons that brought them up.).

> I just don't think that almost any more people than already do would care which is a problem in itself when trying to keep torrents alive.
I'm not so sure about that. These threads seem to commonly have some fresh user stumbling in who is just now experiencing the series for the first time and might be interested in experiencing the more obscure content down the road even if it takes them a while. That is a very fair point about keeping such torrent(s) alive in the meantime though, but as funny as it sounds, it might actually be better for visibility to simply have such a collection listed on a tracker at all, and then have the DDL links available in the description there as well like usual. It may sound silly, but people would be far more likely to actually read the description and notice you have them there at all if such a collection pops up on a tracker as its own standalone entity. Normally those get fairly ignored if someone's just going through with only obtaining what's in the torrent's title, which may be twisting your view of how much visibility they truly get.

>Yes, I have.
Awesome, well you have exactly one whole person promising that they'll watch them if you do so in the future now.

What do you mean?

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When Vivio talked to Ix in the first episode of Vivid as if she was an old friend who the viewer already knew, I promptly went back to listen to it. The wiki told me that SSX was a part of the main story, but I had honestly disregarded that.

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I wanna walk past Nanoha and Fate when they're unabashedly flirting and call them faggots.

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I love Teana and Subaru so much. I need more of them again.

Say what you will about Erio and Caro but Tia and Subaru were great, I fully agree. They get so little limelight post-StrikerS.

I always felt like they were supposed to be the next Nanoha and Fate but for whatever reason Tsuzuki chickened out on that idea

I'm almost certain that StrikerS was originally meant to be a sendoff to Nanoha/Fate/Hayate as the primary cast members so that Subaru/Tia/Erio/Caro could take the reigns but public reception wasn't what he expected so plans changed.

Let me make three amazing, based characters who only just matured into adults/began their professional lives/adopted a kid and send them off to explore characters people barely know. I wonder why that backfired.

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I'm not saying that it was a good idea. But at the same time I don't think it's right to practically shelve the characters he was intending to follow afterwards, either.

It worked for Fuuka and Rinne.
Subaru, Tea, Vivio and Einhart were just not good enough replacements for Nanoha and Fate.

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I'd say having a wordpress bloglike site with posts with links for each individual release + some description isn't anything Yea Forums can get mad about and if it does, fuck it. That said I never ended up bothering with that for my anime rips. Not because Yea Forums but because effort/never having one before that.

If you don't want to bother, getting greened account for Nyaa is the least you deserve tho, for starters. From my experience, being listed on anidb/having links to IRC there doesn't seem to matter much.

A problem with the series is that there’s never enough spot light given to an MC before we’re forced to move onto the next.

Loli Nanoha, Fate And Hayate should’ve gotten one more adventure before we moved onto StrikerS. Teana, Subaru, Erio and Caro also needed one more story before moving onto Vivid and Force. Fuck Vivid Strike! was created WHILE VIVID WAS STILL PUBLISHING.

Arguably Reflection and Detonation have retroactively given the loli era of the characters that one last adventure before adulthood that they needed. So I hope the same can be done for the StrikerS cast too.

not aidorus

Fuuka was not the best protagonist in the least in my opinion. Rinne is interesting and I liked her, but she 180'd far too quickly at the end of VS due to time constraints. Felt unnatural, which I wouldn't say about most other turnarounds.

>Fuck Vivid Strike! was created WHILE VIVID WAS STILL PUBLISHING.
Wasn't that because they intended to make Vivid S2 but couldn't with Nanoha's voice actor up in the air, so they had to make a new story that moved as far away from N&F as possible, requiring a more detached protagonist, but the end result would still shill Vivid's manga?

I scanlated a doujin where that happened. "Umi no Naru Machi de / The Sound of the Sea in the City" One of my favorites. I genuinely enjoy handholding.

>I appreciate your status as someone who isn't anything remotely approaching an attention whore
Seriously, thank you for that acknowledgment. It's not always easy. But honestly, it's kinda become a valuable part of my persona. Nobody ever asks me personal questions or for my opinion on anything which seems to cause them to think up what they imagine the most elite Nanoha fan to be like and project that onto me. I actually have all kinds of unpopular opinions. But it works better to be the mysterious hero for a lot of reasons.

I wonder if I went too far by even trying to make sure my name doesn't stand out. I hope most people use an extension and have the good sense to highlight me. Filter -> Name highlight;/^aRonymous$/

>which may be twisting your view of how much visibility they truly get.
I know my click-through rates. They're probably better than you imagine. I flagged all my Strike episode torrents as including extras in their titles which might've done a pretty good job of establishing my reputation. So I think you're overestimating the interest in an independent torrent. Even some of my BD torrents are barely alive. Maybe I'm not doing enough to beg for seeders either.

My blog wouldn't be active enough for anyone to care about it any more than my torrent descriptions.
>getting greened account for Nyaa is the least you deserve tho
"At the moment we have no established process for granting trusted status to users who did not previously have it. If and when we establish such a process it will be announced." But you actually can get it right now if you're personal friends with an admin which this mysterious loner is not.

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She is not the best but at least she gets to be the MC, unlike Subaru, Vivio and Thoma who have their spotlights constantly stolen by Nanoha.

>I scanlated a doujin where that happened. "Umi no Naru Machi de / The Sound of the Sea in the City" One of my favorites. I genuinely enjoy handholding.
That one is too good, bless Kohagura, and than you for translating it.

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>spotlights constantly stolen by Nanoha.
To be fair Nanoha’s very presence steals spotlight. She’s too much of a Chad for her own good.

Going to disagree there. Subaru and Teana were excellent successors to the Nanoha and Fate, they just needed more time to themselves.

>I appreciate your status as someone who isn't anything remotely approaching an attention whore
>Seriously, thank you for that acknowledgment. It's not always easy.
Seconding that, you are doing a pretty good work for free, and exactly like that user said. Thanks anyway.
>But you actually can get it right now if you're personal friends with an admin
Yeah I'm afraid that's how I got it, or rather friend of friend/IRC lurker and from there.
On the old nyaa there used to be some "have enough torrents" guidelines and so on, I'd say as long as anybody on the staff was into Nanoha, it might work out, but contacts are always a problem.

They might have been too ordinary people, not special snowflakes like Fate na Nanoha. And I hate to say it but too old for the loli crowd. Give them some time to train and power up and they are 15-16 years old which is where women apparently leave the attention angle of anime authors/watchers.

honestly much better than cyber implants. Healthy body is such a treasure s I hope they fixed Nanoha in a good way.
Doing Fate with prosthetic arm just wouldn't do

CHADOHA

Someone post the pasta

>Nanoha's voice actor up in the air
Has the status of whether or not she wants to continue voicing Nanoha been resolved?

As said the only reason Fuuka isn't upstaged is because Nanoha is flat out not in Strike and she has no connection to her whatsoever. That doesn't make her a better protagonist.

We'll know the answer to that once the upcoming Lyrical Party rolls around.

Vivio probably would do that when she reaches her teenage years

Arguably one of the most CHAD main characters in anime.

>AAA+ Tier mage at nine years old.
>Battle genius from the same age, naturally talented and an exceptional hard worker.
>Grew up self-sufficient from an early age, wasn't coddled.
>Saves cute loli from a deranged old hag, basically secures a wife at nine years old.
>Cute loli grows up into a tall, talented, blonde, beautiful stacy who is utterly devoted to her.
>BTFOs ancient magic Belkan knights, dunks on them, could have humiliated them as a child if she wanted to.
>Becomes a combat instructor at fourteen.
>Subjects herself to endless combat simulations in her head that would drive others insane.
>Becomes the "Aces of Aces" at nineteen, the BEST air mage in the entire TSAB.
>Is the best combat instructor in the entire TSAB at nineteen.
>Doesn't tolerate faggotry from her trainees, shot one out of the sky when she was being emotional.
>Turned down multiple promotions to remain a combatant on the battlefield.
>Recovers from previous injuries that should cripple her simply via sheer force of will.
>Fighting style consists of firing massive city-leveling lasers that can block out the light of the sun.
>Doesn't go to her enemies or use doors, just shoots them from the other side of the ships.
>Feared on multiple worlds, terrorists give up from the mere mention of her name.
>Is the face of the TSAB.
>Has multiple in-universe movies made about her exploits and accomplishments.
>Humble, doesn't give a shit about fame or popularity.
>Lives in a modest home with her family.
>Adopts magic jesus after kicking the shit out of her.
>Could be razing planets but instead chooses to live a nice, domestic life with her wife and child.


How does she do it?

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I need a rebellious punk Vivio so much

>Uses her adult mode as she pleases rather than keeping to being responsible about it
Worth it.

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What shenanigans would Vivio get up to with her Adult Mode?

Wrong. The second biological magic child of Fate and Nanoha will be the one with a shitty attitude. Imagine growing up in that family, and having compare to your Magic Jesus Belkan Chad older sister. The second born is doomed to be an asshole.

Either it's going to inherit Nanoha's bizarre power and and Fate's godspeed, or it's going to be an utter disappointment power-wise.

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So, exactly like Vivio?

>Vivio
>Chad
She can’t even keep one girlfriend

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>tandem warhead barrier penetrating spell
I love As

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Based Chadoha

That’s Yumina’s fault

Yumina did nothing wrong.

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Thanks, I appreciate it whenever people even show signs of understanding the nature of my role. There really is a whole unseen adventure going on behind the scenes of my work. Sometimes I wish I didn't keep all those stories bottled up. It's occasionally a bit sad that nobody cares about the tale of how I leaked Strike ep4 (the bully one) fully subbed ten hours before it aired, but I agree that Vivid Life is better so I understand. I just have to tell myself that knowing my secret adventure is actually a benefit of the role. There aren't many besides the experience itself which has at least provided me with a powerlevel higher than I'd ever imagined reaching.

I'm thankful to you elite assholes for making me always feel the need to improve. You really can't find people with standards anywhere else these days.

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>the tale of how I leaked Strike ep4 (the bully one) fully subbed ten hours before it aired
elaborate

>leaked Strike ep4 (the bully one) fully subbed ten hours before it aired,
Nani?

Oh, so some do wanna know. It's a pretty boring story once you know my trick to the leak. I didn't have any sort of covert source providing it. I just happened to be one of the few people in the world monitoring the source of an accidental leak and apparently the only one ripping it.

Amazon UK did a special thing where they ran episodes 1 and 2 of Strike exactly one day before broadcast to try to promote their brand new (and now shut down) "Amazon Strike" anime simulcasting service. But it was *only* available in the UK which is why nobody had access to it. Thankfully, I was able to spoof my network so well that I didn't even have to stream it through a proxy and could easily make HD webrips myself. These early streams for Strike were supposed to end after ep2. But they didn't end. A news posting on the main site later revealed that the additional two episodes being posted early was a mistake that had finally been fixed which felt almost like a direct reprimand of my actions since I was the sole person making torrents of such leaks.

So episodes 3 and 4 also got automatically posted one day early. I wasn't ready for ep3 since I thought it wasn't supposed to come early and only got it released three hours before broadcast. I was ready for ep4 which just coincidentally happened to be the most notable episode of the season. I was in the perfect place at the perfect time, and it had more to do with my own skills and preparation than luck. So I started working furiously the moment that the leak hit 24 hours early, spent 14 hours cleaning up Amazon's terrible subs enough to meet my minimum standards, and then started a thread while incorrectly insisting that this didn't count as a leak (). That was a fun adventure. And I got to be the one to make everyone's favorite Nanoha webm that I've seen reposted about a thousand times on lots of different boards. It was a nice bit of Nanoha history that I'll always cherish.

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Awesome story, and keep up the good work, you glorious bastard. We love you.

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Ah, the wonders of streaming service leaks. That's hilarious, nice going on making the UK useful for once. That sort of streaming leak still happens on occasion with other shows (AoT comes to mind), I'm sure it's a trip any time someone takes advantage of it like you did.

You're right in that I was expecting something more eventful but in the end it's always the littler events that wind up being the ones that slip through.

That gave me a good hearty laugh. Amazing work

>Do you think we will get Vivid Strike season 2?

The Nanoha franchise is saturated, so they should just have one more arc to close out the franchise and maybe revive it in 10 years when there is a whole new crop of viewers. I want to see the final arc be the Fate / Grand Naoha wedding arc.

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We literally just had two main series revival films after years of non-Vivid silence and sales for merch are still going strong in Japan. They have no reason to stop making new entries.

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Bad choice in wording here, meant main series as in focusing on Nanoha as the protagonist and not in terms of the continuity, before 1000 (You)s activate.

TSAB should forbid Nanoha and Fate from spawning. If they're raising Belkan Jesus, then their offspring will probably be born with unprecedented power and turn evil. The possibility of their child being evil or going down the wrong path isn't worth the potential nightmare. And if it isn't evil it's either getting kidnapped or cloned.

Knowing the TSAB they'd probably WANT Nanoha and Fate to start shitting out super soldier magic Ackerman kids.

>Knowing the TSAB they'd probably WANT Nanoha and Fate to start shitting out super soldier magic Ackerman kids.
They're severely understaffed as far as quality mages go and Lindy was making recruitment passes at Nanoha soon after seeing her potential; even partially adopting Fate for the same purpose. If a way for Nanoha and Fate to have intercourse is invented, it will be because the TSAB funded it for Nanoha and Fate's explicit use.

What do you think about the Takamachi household? Would you ring the doorbell?

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>not ding dong ditching nanoha to trick her into blowing you up personally

I didn't know magical girls drove around in GMCs

I just noticed Nanoha's house is really McMansiony. It has a lot of useless features on it that don't make sense. I know the artists all went to LA and drew the new Mid world as a kind of LA/American style. I guess the US's influence even extends across dimensions.

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U wot? We even had a layout of the anime house to show us how it looked inside.

>If a way for Nanoha and Fate to have intercourse is invented, it will be because the TSAB funded it for Nanoha and Fate's explicit use.
It's a given that they already have it, it's very likely that we will have safe medical procedures for same sex reproduction in the next couples of decades with our technology (at least for two mothers), but we're talking about a civilization that is thousands of years ahead of us that can do absurd things like faster than light travel, interdimentional, teleportation through either technlogy or magic, human cloning with accelerated grow rate and memory transfer and keeping people alive indefinitely by putting their brain in a jar like it was some sort of Futurama parody.

The layaout of the anime didn't match the exterior of the house and didn't match some of the anime scenes either, and neither of those matched the design of the manga, except for having a similar style. So probably A1 screwed up, but they changed many other things too (or maybe they just got them wrong) so it's not really surprising. The overall production of the Vivid anime seemed rushed and low budget.

>TSAB didnt immediately intervene in the Precia shit because they wanted Nanoha and Fate to meet.
>They've since then been subtly manipulating them and the dangerous circumstances that they found themselves in.
>It was all to get them to fuck and raise a line of super mages.

All according to Keikaku.

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Absolutely no taste.
Think about all the empty rooms in that McMansion.

The series has already gone through a pretty depressing dull period, the new movies have revived interest in Nanoha again so if there is a time for a revival, it’s now.

It's late at night and these two ladies approach you

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Tell Nanoha that her house is ugly as shit. Tell kick Vivio as hard as I can in the shins and run.

I wish they drew the eyes slightly smaller IN Vivid. The big eyes worked in the old 2000s Nanoha style but for some reason it just looks kind of dinky here.

It looks better in some shots than others.

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They were mimicking the original Fuji art for Vivid with the huge eyes.

His style certainly changed a lot over time.

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Imagine living in a world where you call your friends over for a bath time get together.

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And now.

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Wait, you don’t do that?

That's family bath time, I don't think that Vivio's friends have bathed in her house together.

That doesn't apply to your image but communal baths are actually a standard reality in Asia and no one finds it weird culturally.

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I almost think everybody in this world is a nudist with how much they are always naked. Seriously, I think I have seen Nanoha and Fate naked more than any other anime character that I know of.

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Which part of the Nanoha series do you like the most in terms of art?

I remain the sole human being who fucking adores the Reflection/Detonation artstyle.

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I do miss the old style and the artbooks.

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Force without a doubt. I was fairly meh towards the art at the start of the manga, but as I kept reading it really grew on me and it’s now my favourite.

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God fucking damnit, Fate's figure. And she's wearing a tight uniform all day.

I wonder if Nanoha gets off on knowing that probably 60% of the bureau wants to fuck Fate and they'll never get the chance.

I do have my favorite images from the manga artist.

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Adult Fate and Nanoha look phenomenal in this style.

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Nanoha probably gets off knowing that the other 40% wants to fuck her as well

Shinozaki's take on the classic style is really good and gives it more modern vibes in a way that doesn't make it look weird as fuck like in the 1st/2nd Movie designs. I'm aware that those were prepared by the same character designer as the original trilogy but they're off in a strange way to me.

Fate is pure bliss. Only a select few have ever got the pleasure of experiencing.

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when did this magical girl show become mma

If they didn't have a kid they'd be walking around butt ass naked 24/7 when at home.

I want more vivid striking

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>I want more Fuuka

Based. Fuuka is love. Fuuka is life.

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>Fate 60%
>Nanoha 40%
I thought we established that Nanoha was the more sexy popular mage in universe?

Vivid shifted the focus over to magical close combat with light MMA elements depending on the character, and then Vivid Strike just went full MMA for some bizarre reason (I know the narrative one is explained in Vivid but the true one baffles me).

StrikerS. Subaru and her family are hand-to-hand fighters more than mages. They basically took this and expanded it and combined it with Belka because our Belka knights were weapon users and close range fighters more than mages. Mid users are pretty much useless at this point as they are the few true mages left.

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So they'd be laying around all day in their pajamas on their off days, watching movies and eating. Feels extremely comfy.

I just miss the old times

youtube.com/watch?v=eaajV0mFSpI

>Mid users are pretty much useless at this point
Long range "I blow you up now" beams will always beat out close combat shitters by default.

Fate striking

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I like the character redesigns from the recent movies, but the mechanical designs have gotten too extravagant and visually busy for my tastes.

Like when she turns the strike cannon into this thing, whatever it is.

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I wonder if the TSAB regularly holds popularity contests or something

Must be nice going to the beach for some fun.

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I thought R/D struck a nice point where the mechanical stuff didn't look as absurdly out of place and hyperdetailed as in Force but still looked pronounced compared to past Devices.

Also her finally pulling out a staff weapon again at the tailend was rad and you know it.

This is true, but nothing will ever beat out the raw lust created by a fat ass and big tits in a tight uniform.

Sieg becoming a space nomad in search of illumination when?

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Then we discovered that Nanoha was cheating by overburning her magic all the time and when Fighting with moderation Fate and Signum bot make her struggle with superior stats.

Vivid gave us fighting style, the Movies took us back to pew pew.

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Hey why don't you come punch me through all those walls?

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God I can't wait to see Tea and Subaru again

Imagine you are the one rubbing sunscreen on her backside.

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>Signum
>Alpha
She's cool and all but alpha? Isn't she supposed to be one of Hayate's subs?

We know what Nanoha offers for Fate but I really haven't seen much of what Fate puts on the table for Nanoha aside of being someone cute for Nanoha to protect.

There's no cheating in real life combat. What matters is she won in every circumstance that matters and anything said later about it is sour grapes. Plus, you're directly acknowledging she's able to go toe to toe with other combatants that outclass her raw stats because she's that good.

Fate makes the real money because she's active duty while Nanoha is just a teacher.

>magic circles are touching

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TSAB is short as fuck on quality instructors because their best mages either are out fighting or doing bureaucratic horseshit. Nanoha probably earns a lot of money from being the best instructor they have.

Nanoha losing her edge is though to swallow.

Nanoha is good at ________

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>because she's that good at unhealthily exploiting her body
There.

She didn't though, Vivio won the match because of the ruleset which allows for recovery. Nanoha had the upper hand the entire time and even at the end, she more or less chose not to stand back up to continue the match because she accepted Vivio's resolve and realized she misunderstood her intentions with the fight proposal from the beginning, which had been why Nanoha was trying so hard. Vivio was untransformed and defenseless and Nanoha could have shot her back down right there but that would have been incredibly unsportsmanlike and a terrible thing to do to her daughter.

And now because of that her reputation will suffer while her daughter will become drunk with fame.

Anal

Making Fate happy and feel accepted.

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You were mentioning her fighting them with moderation, which she is still more than capable of doing even when not actively trying to kill herself due to her skill. And as for when she was overexerting herself, is it not one's own fault for not doing the same if they happen to lose in a battle that actually matters?

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I love me some RH. The movies giving her a pistol grip for ranged shots was a welcome improvement. That thing isn't RH, it's a bulky pile of greebles.

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TSAB is retarded for not working on Nanoha clones. Fuck morality, when everyone else is that fucking inferior to one shitty little girl who's NINE, that must mean something. Make one or two clones in a lab somewhere on some world with nothing on it.

Nanoha always goes overboard, even when she's supposedly still in recovery. Her core style is throwing everything she has and then some on the grill. She acted with moderation during the first half of StrikerS but every single fight she had since the battle at the Cradle has her going to the extremes and that's including friendly matches and mock fights. It's almost as if she completely ignores the very lesson she tries to teach to her students.

>Slowly learning how to mage from Yuuno, things going well
>Run into Fate, can't beat her skills and speed
>I'll just draw her in, lock her down, then blast her
>Can't beat Belkin knights with power because Belkin knights use power
>Just get more power, lock them down, then blast them harder
>Can't beat distracting tactics and strategy of Spaghetti, basically can't asymmetrical fight
>Can't even beat trainees tactics
>Lock them all down, and blast them 3x as hard
Her fighting style is pretty basic. She basically plays a game of who can hit harder, then locks you down, then blasts you. Really Nanoha is lucky she is really powerful or else this would never work.

A Nanoha clone with all of the strengths and none of the weaknesses would be fucking invincible.

Between StrikerS and Movie 1st manga Nanoha experimented with an interesting variety of spells that gave her style flexibility. Sadly in recent installments she has mostly gone back to her basics.

All the cloning shown so far has been imperfect. Fate was completely different from Alicia, and Vivio is nothing like Olivie.

Her style like getting into a fight with some master martial artist and getting your ass beat. Then coming back with a pistol, cornering, and shooting them.

The TSAB could still explore the option. Nanoha is basically the Big Boss of the mage world. Even if they can't duplicate her perfectly, it's certainly worth a try. Make a dozen or so clones. Look for the ones with high magic readings. Infect them with some foxdie bullshit so they die very early on. Repeat this for several generations of clones (maybe a decade's worth of work) until the final product is good enough for the battlefield.

They're still basically super soldiers so it has its uses.

METAL GEAR?!

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Or initiate the Project Nanoha Beyond. Search for a good candidate and infect it with enough Nanoha cells so it's firstborn is basically a Nanoha clone.

Fate is strong like Nanoha too, thing is Fate is also a more experienced fighter who won't get into a pissing contest with you to see who can get punched in the face harder. Fate will just read you, then do her speed thing, then beat you down.

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Fate was pretty on the spot outside of aspects of her personality, and Vivio was exactly as compatible with everything important as Olivie was (which was the point there), despite somehow being amusingly different physically and personality-wise.

However Nanoha's biggest strengths are in her personality and mindset. So cloning her with Project F tech is pointless unless they can iron that out, which seems impossible. It's not like the Nanohaverse in general haven't dabbled in creating supersoldiers with high magic potential, they can already do that just fine. But they're inferior because they don't have the right mentality.

But what are you going to do about all the Fates that would also be needed? By universal laws Nanoha must have a Fate. Having 100 Nanohas running around Fateless would be bad for the multiverse.

Nanoha is sort of a Spider-Man case. She's not the most powerful, fast or strong but she's still excellent in those areas and more, the combination of her skills, attitude and experiences make her someone extremely reliable who almost always gets the job done.

>But they're inferior because they don't have the right mentality
How hard is to tech a soldier to become self-destructive?

If the TSAB is doing this on some secret uninhabited world, they could be doing some Spartan Program type shit like throwing the clones into advanced leadership classes and making them run military drills. And if some evil shithead like Jail Spaghaetti has control over the project, make them fight to the death.

She is what they call a "sledge hammer". Basically you can fix any problem if you hit it hard enough.

>They realize Nanohas need Fates
>Attempt to fix the problem creating a NanoFate clone
>The clone becomes depressed because she feels her soulmate is close yet permanently out of reach
>Hijinks ensue

They could literally brainwash the clones to make them believe that they're the only thing in the universe keep bad people away from the innocent. Or some other stupid shit like that. I don't think it would be too hard to infect the clones with the same kind of hero autism that real Nanoha has. Put the clones in one big school and make it unbelievably competitive.

If you're not in the top ten you're not worth having around. Boom. Now you have a bunch of clones who are self-destructively obsessed with becoming stronger. Then make them fight all of the time.

Imagine getting punched by Fate

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I hope its somewhere I won't miss.

whoever drew those posters where fate had rock hard nipples

That sounds like something that would go horribly wrong and need the OG to come in and forcefully shut it down. So business as usual for the TSAB.

Despite its self-granted name, I get the feeling the TSAB is a relatively minor power in the multiverse. Eltria's been dealing with its decaying biosphere for decades, and it didn't seem like help from the Bureau was ever even considered, let alone coming.

Nanoha has had a firm grasp on much more than just pure power for a long time but everyone loves to conveniently forget about it because the newer entries do too.

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I have fapped multiple times to this art. I’m not sure why Fate wearing Einhart clothes is so sexy in the first place

Doing God's work

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Simple.
>Fate is amazing
>Einhart's outfit is amazing
>The combined result is double amazing.

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I love the wedding dress art.

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Dude the multiverse is way too big. The TSAB is still a young organization all things considered. They're still discovering stuff. At least in the movies it seems that the Florian's knew nothing about it. It was Iris who educated Kyrie on the matter and even her lacked some names and vital info. Eltria is obscure as shit. So much so that the TSAB ignored the existence of tech way beyond what Ancient Belkans achieved (Iris hacked the Tome of the Night Sky as if it was a Facebook account).

Is there art of Nanoha wearing Vivio’s outfit?

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I was surprised they used Blast Calamity in Detonation, was that the first time it's been animated?

Are you having a giggle right now?

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Thanks user. I’ll be sure to fap to it later.

Right when I made that post I knew it was gonna turn out they used it in the As movie.

When are we getting the Yagami family combination attack?

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>that file name
I see all your focus is on Vivio

How the fuck does anyone at the TSAB get any work done when Nanoha and Fate have all lustful eyes on them 24/7?

I'm kinda resentful for that continuous teasing about the Yagami-ke being super awesome in tram battles yet the only time we saw them working as a team was in As when they were the bad guys. We never saw Hayate leading the wolks into action. At this point it's a given that it won't happen. I'm just bummed that such a cool aspect of them always remained an informed attribute and no more.

Would they make good wives?

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Fate? Absolutely, Nanoha is the one I have doubts. She's a great woman no doubt but I wonder if she can commit to being a wife.

>Detonation has the Yagami family working in full tandem
>It's still as split off groups managing different aspects

They're perfect for each other, yes.

They need to be analyzed further

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I don’t think Fate has any issue with being a classic stay at home wife. Nanoha however is definitely a career woman so you’ll be the stay at home husband if you marry her. Would be totally worth it though.

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My favorite outfit

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God bless japan and their weird obsession with bunny outfits

And now we cat girl

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Might get some shit for this, but: Nanoha's barrier jacket is kind of retarded when you put it next to Fate's. It's visually inferior to Fate's sleek, black, white, and gold simpler design.

>panty lines

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I might still give you shit but perhaps you could elaborate as to why Nanoha’s outfit looks retarded?

The only wonkyness I find on Nanoha's jacket is the chunky metal bits she's accumulated on her hips, arms, and shoulders. Just seem like pressure points that could injure her given how much she gets knocked around.

these ones because they give the impression that the girls are all topless sunbathers

I think the dress portion is too form covering. Everything from the waste down on this image is perfection.

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It’s like she’s begging for an anal fucking

Fate looks amazing in anything

Hayate encourages her subordinates to work hard and they’ll receive secret pics of Nanoha and Fate she snapped

Only one letter away from mating.

Yes but in different ways. Fate is a the sub while Nanoha is a dom after all.

Huh, I completely forot it was out early or that it had amazon subs. Damn.
Thanks for the story.

>It’s like she’s begging for an anal fucking
Do you think Hayate uses her priviliges as a boss to fuck with her subordinates whenever she feels horny?

I wonder if Nanoha dresses as Precia and whips adult Fate from time to time in their 3 hours private time whenever they are together in the bedroom.

Talking about Nanoha, Fate and Hayate’s sexual escapades in the workplace is both arousing and strangely comfy

>Do you think we will get Vivid Strike season 2
What would it be about? We had a climax, there really isn't any reason to continue with vivid strike.

I know Nanoha is all about dark middle chapters and everyone drinking tea together in the end, but I think Vivid Strike was somewhat of a wasted opportunity. I would have loved if it explored the underbelly of Midchilda, like we saw at the beginning of episode 1, and Fuuka had to fight illegal cage fights in the cellar of a Belkan coin laundry to proceed rather than just another generic tournament to get to fight a less likable Fate.

Imagine being the lucky guy that Hayate randomly chooses to be her living dildo for the day

I wish they put Einhart in Fate's Impulse form and not the shitty sonic on.

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Now that sounds like a fun time

>not the shitty sonic on.
You take that back faggot

What don’t you like about the Sonic Form?

Doesn't look good. I din't particularly like it in As, but the StrikerS adult one managed to make it much worse in everything so it's not even a question. Your taste may vary obviously.

>explored the underbelly of Midchilda
Now that would’ve been a neat idea

I thought RInne would go amok in the street (possibly due to some evil manipulation of black market battle athletes) after getting eliminated in the tournament and Fuuka (or really everyone but Fuuka would be lucky to find her first) will have to contain and befriend her in the wild in those ruined parts of Midchilda City from StrikerS. I mean, it wrties itself, how did the writers fuck up with that Einhart invitation and crap in the real series?

Also, I thought when Vivio got put into hospital, Einhart would rush to see her there (that's why I wanted Vivio to lose, also it woulc be better for story because it would not make you think "ok so Rinne Drago isn't that monstrous in the end, relief"). Bleh.

I’m glad that nickname still survives

They gave it to Vivio. I have to say I have a long wish list of characters I want to see wear it.

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I was for a moment wondering if I remember wrong but Heidi ES Ingvalt was in it too.
Vivio cheats because she has to be in both Mom's panties.

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I love elegant dresses

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Nice

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I can’t decide who wears it better

You win either way

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God, I hope not. The last thing we need is more ViVid-tier NOTHING HAPPENS. I want to watch mecha-based mahou shoujos blowing up the environment with oversized lasers, not lolis pretend-fighting.

Nobody wants to rewatch that or, indeed, be reminded that was a thing. Faggot.

Shit, I might have actually wanted to watch that. Other than that one memetic moment with Rinne getting a combo streak on the bullies ViVid Strike just had absolutely nothing memorable about it.

Fate has a family and friends who care about her, how dare you.

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Never managed to get into it despite trying. Some day I'll have to look for a transcript.

Would you date them?

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how is that even a question

I don't think I meet the most basic requirement to date a lesbian.

Bigger one for maximum pleasure.

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Fate is pretty sick too. Her lightning magic is canonically super rare and difficult to control. If Nanoha isn't around you're definitely getting btfo by her, and I dount Fate would even try to befriend you. She'd just kill you. I bet if Fate wanted to she could just hit shit with big bolts of lighting and instakill.

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Miura pretends her ribs were broken pretty well.

They should have Vivio sustain some stronger injury and disqualify Rinned from the tournament because of that, with that getting kicked out having been reason for Rinne snapping and going postal.

Would be much better for the finale of the series, compared to that "kay let's have the all out final match" but all supercomfy and safe, with spectators giving commentary, everybody invited to voyeur and even streaming shit (GAH!)

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The adult one isn't the best outfit design ever or anything but not liking the A's design? You're crazy.

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Personally I love Adult Fate's Impulse Jacket. It gives her a flair that is both elegant and heroic.

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Was mostly referring to the Sonic Forms specifically there. I'm still torn on Adult Fate's barrier jacket, I love the ones she had as a loli a bunch and it was a huge change. The movies' multiple Blaze Form variants achieve the elegant/heroic feeling you're talking about while not entirely ditching the aesthetic of how her barrier jacket used to look so I quite like those. But I can't at all argue that Fate in Force is not incredibly handsome.

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No doubt about both.
Nanoha proved she can take good care of Vivio while still do her job as instructor.
Fate currently is the traditional breadwinner who is away from home time to times, but giving her childhood history she will value family more than career if needed.

That makes Fate a better husband, which she is. Both husband and wife, what else could a girl ask for.

I think the heavy armor on hands and feet makes it look dumb, especially if it allegedly is supposed to allow maximum movement (putting weights on the ends of ypur limbs does the opposite).

am I seeing things or is that stelath shimapan under

I really didn't like the Aggressor BJ.
Exceed is much better.

Imagine her cervix punching your dick as she rides you.

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That's just the shading.

In all seriousness the technological level in this series is far too inconsistent.

They can make some crazy stuff but cities look pretty much like modern day Japan. It makes no sense. It's like the author completely ran out of creativity.

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Not possible, she's 2d and you are 3d.
If anything I would prefer to get fucked by futa Fate while sucking futa Nanoha out.

It's just bad writing, in StrikerS we got a look at more advanced residential areas but I wouldn't be surprised if Tsuzuki wasn't involved in any of that.

They barely looked advanced at all. Date in the city episode made everything look completely normal. StrikerS is where they really fucked up the setting. Mid should be like something from Star Wars not a boring generic Earth city.

VR will make impossible possible.

>Mid should be like something from Star Wars not a boring generic Earth city.
Yeah. Also the ships look silly.

Ships look okay. The problem is how ordinary everything else is.

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Still mad Signum never got special poster art wielding the Gladiator.

Could've happened in the future had Force not been canned.

Gowns are my biggest fetish. Not joking. The poofier the better. I have a small collection of every relevant Nanoha image that I can find.

>the technological level in this series is far too inconsistent.
Couldn't agree more. I've been very disappointed by how the sci-fi aspects of the series have advanced (or not) past S1. I sometimes wonder if Tsuzuki even has any clue how galaxies are structured. All this "interdimensional" stuff seems to have no relation to the real universe and often feels implemented inconsistently.

I hate to turn Yea Forums here, but if you want a space opera with a fucking fantastic setting (but sadly no yuri or magical girls), I highly recommend "Padora's Star" and its four direct sequels. It's ridiculously long and so hard to get into largely because the setting is so fucking huge and complex, but if you want to escape into a somewhat utopian sci-fi future involving immortality via rejuvenation, wormhole generators, lots of cybernetics, and really interesting mysteries involving ancient alien artifacts, then I highly recommend slogging through as much of it as you can until you hopefully grow to love it. It's so great at speculating about how new technologies will completely change society rather than ending up with Midchilda's boring Space-Tokyo. The audiobooks (I know they're on audiobookbay) might make it easier for a lot of people to get into since they're done really well.

I want a reboot of Nanoha set in those books' Commonwealth. It would be fucking perfect.

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>They should have Vivio sustain some stronger injury and disqualify Rinned from the tournament because of that, with that getting kicked out having been reason for Rinne snapping and going postal.
That makes sense, which explains why they didn't do it

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I still get chills and cry when I watch the Fuuka v Rinne fight.

Would you train with her?

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Wow, Nanoha's barrier jacket really does work on the attribute of more skin being covered being more appealing. It looks terrible here but Exceed mode is incredible.

I wonder who could deliver the bigger payload.

I like the black underside. Nanoha looks good in black

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There is a distinct horizontal stripe that appears to be blue, with lighter color (white) on each side.

That's exactly what I was saying. When it's just exposed skin it looks bad but with the black bodysuit it's amazing.

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Come to thin of it, Fate's barrier jacket got two distinctly different forms (at least the old sonic form loooked different from her kiddo leotard, the adult one became more similar).

Nanoha's BJ is always rather similar, just getting new parts or accessory changes, the only deviation was the miniskirt+buttcape one, but that still retained the overall look of her basic robe design.
Other people's BJs also didn't change, did they Besides Fate which for some reason got the sonic and then the hot uniform. both so different. Maybe the latter was because the leotard was considered too weird for an adult TSAB officer - but then they gave her the silly adult sonic form that negated that.

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Yeah, I wonder why she would have had to change her jacket's design for the sake of public appearances.

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>Fate still calls Lindy Mommy as an adult

This is neither surprising nor out of character.

There are people that stop referring to their parents as what they are?

And to Chrono as Onii-chan
StrikerS Fate was so good

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Let's hope movie universe won't repeat StrikerS mistakes.

StrikerS biggest flaw was pacing so I'm optimistic movie format can handle that better.

Have you -seen- Reflection and Detonation?

I just wish it's a new story, or Force.

Imagine they redid THIS SCENE but it ended up being worse, but faggots would start to post that nu version because it is new!

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>Imagine they redid THIS SCENE but it ended up being worse, but faggots would start to post that nu version because it is new!
I would never do that myself.

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>I just wish it's a new story, or Force
This. Could we please move on with the franchise, at least before we need to have re-imaginings of the movie of A's and the cannon gets scattered even more to the bloody winds.

>I would never do that myself.
BUT THIS SCENE WAS BETTER IN TV TOO REEEEE
At least I think. Been few years seen I last saw the movie.

Yeah, it had worse animation but the tv version was better.

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Nanoha!
Um!

Pacing was one of the main issues but basically everything sucked.

I wonder if they will try to redo the space vampires plot one day.

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Such a shame that this whole concept of summoning ships to pilot never went anywhere.

They were obviously going that way with that picture of Nanoha in pilot's chair.

It seems like such an obvious way to expand the power levels without breaking the setting.

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Yeah I liked that concept, too bad people didn't trust in Force.

Because it was garbage. It had few good ideas but like 80% of it was complete trash including the entire plot.

People usually don't call their parents mommy.

But Nanoha told me it was normal.

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Just two best friends sleeping in a big bed, five feet apart.
My own headcanon: Nanoha is from a hotter world and her biology is a little different, so her body runs a little hot. So they end up moving away from each other at night.

I still call my parents mom and dad, I feel it's such a disconnect if I were to call them anything but. At least I can find Solace in best Nanoha character doing the same.

Is she saying "mommy" or "mom"? That's what was being brought up here.

You "meme" will never be a thing you cringy retard.

Please end your life.

I'm pretty sure that Nanoha wouldn't be able to leave Fate's nightly grab even if she tried her best. Fate instantly hugged on to Vivio when Nanoha moved their newly acquired daughter close, she must be used to do that.
Maybe that's why Nanoha only sleeps for 5 hours, she's too warm to sleep.

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Is this the dawn of a new Bitch-Kun?

You are "bitch-kun", Austin. It's a persona you made solely for the purpose of shitposting these threads. And telling you to stop spamming your off topic shipping cancer is in no way the same as what you do when you're pretending to be "bitch-kun".

That's just ACK, he's an angel compared to Bitch-kun, I'm actually happy to see him now that I think back of the old days with Bitch-kun literally shitposting on the hundreds every thread.

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You are replying to yourself, Austin. And again, you are the only person who thinks "bitch-kun" or "ack" is real. Both are things you made up for the sake of shitposting.

that's not the guy, I'm the one.
And it's not meme, it was one-off shitpost. And I fucking hope the creators don't mean it to be as it looks, sigh.

Seriously though wrt Yumina, WHY

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>Yukari recently said she does not want to play Nanoha anymore since it reminds her too much of her youth

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Source?

Nah, you try insanely hard to pretend your "memes" are a thing. And they never will be. And as always, you are the only person who acts like this.

I bet this happens a lot.

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There is no source because he is a massive faggot. Though I am worried that Yukari might not be feeling well, didn't she go AWOL a while ago?

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This is the main reason why I'm so torn about Vivid. On one hand characters are fun but on the other world building is atrocious. Especially the idiotic medieval Belka flashbacks.

Vivid Strike had the same problems.

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That pic reminds me of get huge Miura.webm

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Belka, multiverse/time travel making everything feel insignificant, book of darkness being the focus most of the time, are the worst things to happen to this franchise which is such a shame because I really like Nanoha as a character and the magic pew pew mecha girl aesthetics of the franchise.

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The worst thing to happen to Nanoha was the utterly idiotic and childish politics and world building in StrikerS.

Nanoha looked positively deranged here. It's funny how they would later fix this in future releases.

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Where is that manga wher Vivio gets fat? I couldn't find the chapter on mangakalot. There is a fuckton of nanoha manga.

It's a MekiMeki doujin, but I forgot the title. Just read all of them, you can't go wrong.

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It's a doujin.
exhentai.org/g/500991/1d3dac507a/

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Lots of StrikerS TV footage looked psycho.

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That fucking Subaru.

dynasty-scans.com/chapters/sorry_for_being_so_sweet
Yeah, can't unsee etc

What is the story behind sadpanda coming back? Do we know if it's going down again?

Her looking so seriously mad/sad was the best part of that scene and established that Nanoha is a serious person who does not tolerate insubordination. I always liked that darker side of Nanoha.

Basically, the admin collaborated with some anonymous helpers from cripplechan to transfer sadpanda to a new host.

I like the revised version more where it's clear that she's incredibly disappointed and is flashing back to her own mistakes, but at the same time doesn't look goddamned insane about it.

Do we know if It's only a temporary backup for people to save doujins?

You're bored of shitting on Gridman threads, I see.

She needs to commit more to Rib Day.

So far its up for good. But if this taught you anything it is that you have to backup the stuff you like on your HDD.

Thanks for the info.

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>Nanoha getting butthurt over Fate being a mama's girl with Lindy.

I love it.

Reminder that if you reply to shitposters you are giving them the attention they seek and thus enabling them.

So, outside of the main trio since those tend to tip the scales, who's everyone's favorite characters? I think I'd have to say Rein. She's really cute and fulfills a unique role in the Yagami family. She has big shoes to fill as Reinforce's successor but does her best and has a neat relationship with the rest of the Yagami family. She even gives off an air of being older than she actually is while still having a nice childish side, albeit not one as pronounced as Vita's. Funny, since Vita wanted her as a younger sister so she could feel like a senior. It's also cool how she can unison with more than just Hayate and is useful to all of the family members.

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Er wait, dynasty-scans.com/chapters/magical_girls_sweet_love_panic
Different mekimeki "sweet something" doujin
can't hurt to post Mekimeki tho.
I try to not rank, I like everyone, even the small parts like all those Section 6 girls. I have soft spot for Einhart since I started to read Vivid though, Signum too. In the movie, I liked Iris a lot. Sadly, Einhart for me was best in her early, serious and awkward mode.

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I like everyone a lot myself, but I do have some particular favorites nonetheless. For a series everyone bemoans the character count of I've found that I tend to like almost every character introduced eventually.

Einhart's a good girl, personally it was her awkwardness and how she slowly grew to be accustomed to friends while still being uneasy about social situations that got me attached to her. She has a good heart and always had one, but had no idea how to deal with people or her memories. She shut herself away to not hurt others, but it was that that hurt them most and she finally realized it and started taking steps forward.

I enjoyed Iris' mean mode a lot, and while I do still like her reformed self, I wish we had gotten to see just a bit more of her as a villain than we did.

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Outside of the main trio I love Vivio the most. I really want her to get involved in a more serious high stakes story eventually though.

Nanoha making everyone fat with her cooking is funny.
Tbh I'd rather see chubby Nanoha.

From the author of Hades Vandein's daughter is Einhart crack theory:

What if Al Hazard is Flonyard? Is the fluffurry world doomed?

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Are they actually visiting its past and everyone there is already dead for 1000 years in reality?

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I guess GoD technically did that

>dynasty-scans.com/chapters/magical_girls_sweet_love_panic
Thx user

Fucking Chantez, she's at it again.
That power is really something, isn't it. Imagine the things you could do with that.

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Signum has been and still is my favorite character the moment she entered the scene in A's. It hasn't been easy and I suffered a lot for it but ultimately I cannot avoid to like her. Even if she's not the strong stoic knight she used to be i also got hooked by her kindness, her efforts (regardless of how successful those are) her snarky sense of humour and the though camaraderie she started to show over time. I used to think she was perfect and accepting she isn't is one of the hardest things I've ever done as fan. Above perfection or strength Signum represents honesty, loyalty and honor. I can't always expect her to come out on top but I can always count on her giving her all to fight injustice.

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Based Signumfag

I was hooked from ep2 too. Hard to not with that voice. I was at first afraid the tall one of the knights will be a guy (didn't get the everybody is a girl nature of Nanoha yet, since S1 had Chrono and Yuuno), but that got sorted soon, also I guess I somehow missed her boobs.

Actually, Signum wasn't that big in the manga, interesting thing.

youtube.com/watch?v=8Ozj8IMA7VE

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Actually, I think there are two characters that caused me to repeatedly rewind the sound stages.

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>Actually, Signum wasn't that big in the manga, interesting thing
Yeah I also got surprised when I first read the Nanoha A's manga. For being a character so recognized by her "size", Signum was almost flat during her manga debut.

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Maybe in the anime we only see her after repeated treatment by Hayate improved her frontal defenses a bit.

It's the exact opposite.

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>Voice actors

Is there anything new on the horizon? Ron?

As for official announcements, we're waiting until January for the 15th Anniversary Lyrical Party which will almost certainly have something of note.

On Ron's end he's working on Vivid Life and just released a new volume of it

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not him but give him a break, realistically we should not expect scanlations every day/week/month/etc

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Vivid does the same thing, Nanoha is at home on work leave raising Vivio, while Fate is still working.

Yeah I hope that Ron's high output recently doesn't spike up expectations on him again. I don't want the guy to burn out right as he revived. These threads have become incredibly comfy again so waiting a while longer for more content won't be so bad at all.

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I want Rinne to sit on my face

>not mutually lesboimpregnate

That's consistent with canon, but more importantly that image is from an official publication and also stated by the writer. Fate is the stereotypical Japanese father that spends too much time working, Nanoha is the one closer to being a housewife.

I just want to drown myself in the smell of her sweat-soaked and used panties while she grinds down on my face forcefully in disgust

Not entirely sure how to correctly parse that question. But yes, there is hopefully more on the horizon from me.

Now's a good time for me. So are the threads.

Your concerns are valid. Some of them I can control. Some I cannot. It's partially up to you guys in a number of ways.

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I want to FUUCK FUUKA

You realize this pasta misses the entire point of Fate's character right? She has all of Alicia's memories from Alicia's perspective. She's such a good person specifically because she was "raised" in a loving fashion by Precia when she was still sane- albeit it never physically happened. To Fate whether it happened is only a practical matter, the reality is that the memories she has are just as good as if she herself were Alicia.

Oh shit. I've been waiting for this.

Nice, I always wanted to see that doujin translated. The other one y the same author with loli Nanoha in a wedding dress on the cover looks great too.

Stop being so mentally ill and obsessed with shitposting.

It was stated that Precia only tolerated her a little before she went apeshit. Fate is a good person but if we're being real about it, being told that your worthless trash by your mother will still do damage. Now factor in what you said. Fate has all of Alicia's memories but her mother still doesn't want her and despises her for being a failure. Imagine being a kid and dealing with that. Then factor in the crazy physical abuse and probably social isolation.

Fate probably won't have any mental issues as severe as what was described in the pasta, but it's said in that Vivid manga that she gets easily jealous and is always watching Nanoha. I wouldn't completely rule out abandonment issues.

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Gears of Destiny is the only time Fate's true feelings come out about Precia in the form of a Dark Fragment. She is way more broken and upset by how Precia treated her than she ever lets on otherwise.

The only thing that kept her together mentally before she met Nanoha were Alicia's memories. Her continuing to treat Precia as the mother that she can't forget is a coping mechanism.

The damage manifested in the fact that she was never able to recognize just how far gone Precia was. The jump between Alicia's Precia and Fate's Precia was so big she never comprehended a change took place at all, to her Precia was still the wonderful mother she'd always had but was extremely troubled by what was happening.

In any case I'm not trying to make overarching claims about her character, just that "Fate was never praised or lovingly touched" was, by her perspective, not the case at all. If anything as far as she knew she had a great life until relatively recently.

I wanna see Fate's recovery after being taken in by Lindy. She didn't even think of herself as a real person. Both Lindy and Crono had to reassure her that she was a real person. Just born in a different way from most people. We've gotten doujin about Nanoha recovering from the drone fuckery, but I'd love to see doujin about Fate learning to care about herself.

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The Sound Stages go into that for a short bit. After the dream within the Book of Darkness where Alicia sends her off and she denies the false reality, she finally accepts that her life as Fate, as a human being and not a failed clone, has begun. That's also when she finally truly accepts Lindy as her mother in the main continuity as well.

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Yeah that's totally fucked. One day your mom is loving and cherishes you. Then there's an accident and you wake up, your mom is there by your side sobbing. Then months go by and she gradually hates you. You don't know what you did wrong. You try to call her mom and she probably beats the shit out of you for the first time. Now you're not allowed to use your own name. Nothing you ever do is ever good enough. But you still love your mom.

Shit's fucked. If we're being real about this Fate was probably in therapy for awhile.

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Fate is a good girl ;_;

>no doujin where Fate molests Vivio due to some trauma-induced compulsion
Why live?

Let me correct that for you.
>tfw no doujin of Lindy taking advantage of Fate's mommy trauma and fucking she shit out of her starting from fourteen. And continuing to do that well into Fate and Nanoha's marriage.

>no doujin where the vivids use body transformation out in public and cluelessly get nanpa'd or into other adult situations

>No doujin where Vivio is in adult mode, let's down her hair, and drunk and lonely Nanoha mistakes her for Fate.

I don't get why it's NanoVivi for all the age gap doujinshi. I find it much more exciting for the angry mother bear factor if it's Fate or Hayate doing Vivio.

Movie 1st the Comics.

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Bring back Shinbo.

Fuck that's cool.

So Fate forcing Vivo down and fucking her? What do you mean by mother bear.

Why was Force cancelled in the first place? Was it not good?

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A shame the story within does not at all match up to the art. It's probably the single most pointless entry in the entire franchise.

Mother bear referring to the possibility of incurring Nanoha's wrath.

Trying to extend Nanoha into the manga medium was just a mistake in general.

I also like how Innocent(S) looks.

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>tsuzuki kicks off story with the heroes at a disadvantage and a protag mixup
>people drop it super early especially after signum gets injured
>no one picks it back up whenever section 6 is fully back in swing and is kicking ass left and right with the touma protag fakeout resolved
That's what happened. The (most importantly) Japanese and western reception were both weak at the start and it got effectively cancelled as a result. As notes a lot of the issue lay in the manga format as well, since chapters took so damn long to come out and people had to constantly monetarily support even the parts they didn't enjoy to get more. Tsuzuki's primary-type Nanoha storytelling is very ill suited for making people wait eons for the turnarounds he always writes in.

If they ever attempt it again, they've gotta get away from the weird alien Tokyo/LA Midchildan medieval shit and I don't know, actually explore the sci-fi aspect of the series. I'd rather see Fate or Nanoha on some alien world helping resolve some crisis then have more Mcmansion Midchilda shit.

Shitty art
Shitty male MC
Special neenerneenerneeener bullshit plot armor on the villains
2 separate groups of underdeveloped final fantasy reject villains who are evil because their disease forces them to be evil
Everyone jobbing

It's complicated. The manga had several interesting ideas and as a whole is actually not that bad but the horrible pacing and cliffhangers alongside some desicions alienated several fans.

The Innocent mangaka is fucking amazing at drawing cute lolis but their adults look atrociously bad. I kinda wish they got to handle the Reflection manga instead of just storyboarding it, they regularly make Nanoha doujins and love the series.

A's and A's to StrikerS was good. Some chapters of the StrikerS manga where also highlights.

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>2 separate groups of underdeveloped final fantasy reject villains who are evil because their disease forces them to be evil

God that eclipse shit was just amazingly bad. Book of darkness tier.

It’s fairly good on a binge read but god the release schedule fucked the pacing hard

What that user presumably meant was the main stories, not the THE COMICS format of narrative supplements which works extremely well for manga and can be finished up quickly. Force was trying to tell a longform full Nanoha story purely through manga chapters over what would have spiraled into a span of several years and was already dragging on realtime-wise despite just getting to the practical kickoff of things in reality.

Vivio has to hear and see her mom's faggotry all of the time.

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>Everyone jobbing
Actually read the manga before spouting memes you dumb faggot

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I get what he was going for, with one group putting up with the Eclipse and trying to live life as best they could while being forced to kill people and avoiding owning up to it when pushed on the subject, but they didn't turn out as likeable as the author probably intended with what was there so far. The other group was more or less full of assholes that were using the Eclipse as an excuse to go on mass murder sprees for fun as a contrast.

I just had a wild thought and imagined a crossover with World Trigger. There are a surprising number of similarities between the two.

I feel like I need to set up a drawthread request with Chika charging a cube-like Breaker with her Ibis.

>Book of darkness tier
the fuck you just said?

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This. After years of hating on it I read FORCE again in one sit and it's actually not that bad (still not as good as StrikerS but definitely bearable).

>Shitty art
I’ll grant you that it didn’t look great at the start but the art vastly improved later on
>Shitty male MC
Thoma is fine. Not the best protagonist but he does the role well enough and has cute interactions with the cast
>Special neenerneenerneeener bullshit plot armor on the villains
It’s literally just an excuse to give the protagonists new weapons and armour which negated the villains advantage
>2 separate groups of underdeveloped final fantasy reject villains who are evil because their disease forces them to be evil
Gee I wonder if the story is incomplete or something
>Everyone jobbing
Retard

Everyone is an exaggeration but a big chunk of characters jobbed in rapid succession.

We had:

Signum
Agito
Subaru
Isis
Nanoha
Hayate
Vita
Erio
Rein

The only members of the main ensemble who went unscratched were Fate, Teana and Caro. Everyone else was overwhelmed hard by Eclipse bullshit.

Are you talking about Vandein's EC mercenaries or the Grendel Family? The latter didn't even got to kill anyone on page. They're basically Nanohaverse's Team Rocket.

>It’s literally just an excuse to give the protagonists new weapons and armour which negated the villains advantage
I didn't liked this too much even if it makes sense. Their styles and devices were part of their identity for several episodes. Suddenly changing that and denying their old companions a chance to shine was harsh. It left a bitter taste.

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She also got canonically blacked and always plays a subordinate role in every one of her formal positions. At most she's a power bottom.

I feel like applying the term jobbing to literally any time a character loses a fight is a misuse of the term, but let’s tackle these.
>Signum
Fair. One of the few legitimate jobbing complaints.
>Agito
Arguable if that’s even jobbing since she was never a great solo fighter and was never treated as such by the narrative so her losing isn’t much of a job
>Subaru
Literally never happened. Subaru didn’t lose a single fight in Force. Granted I don’t think she ever won a fight either but that isn’t jobbing.
>Isis
You’re going to have to refresh my memory of her losing a straight up fight to job here
>Nanoha
No. She has one (1) (Uno) fight in all of Force and she didn’t lose. Struggled? Yes, but that’s not a job at all.
>Hayate
Considering that she and Curren never actually fought this not applicable. A literal bullshit backstab out of nowhere isn’t a job.
>Vita
>Erio
Fair. Although I would argue them jobbing to Curren wasn’t a bad thing. As the act of jobbing is meant to establish the villain as a serious threat. It’s only jobbing is overused or done egregiously is when it’s bad.
>Rein
Literally what?

>Fair. One of the few legitimate jobbing complaints.
And even then, she gets back up and wins hard against the one who got her.

The person she jobbed to was also so painfully obviously a rival character it's a wonder anyone was upset by the turn of events.

The ForceChads run this place now. Do not resist.

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This shit right here is why I avoid Force for so long. People taking problems and blowing them out of proportion to make the issues look bigger than they actually were. When I finally sat my ass down to read the manga and found it to be decent, I was pissed. Fuck you guys for misleading me for literal years, but I guess some of the blame is on me for believe things without evidence in the first place.

I'm almost certain it probably happened on the Japanese end as well. Kneejerk reactions from some readers leading other fans to not even try reading the manga or being dissuaded from liking it via groupthink.

You and me remember Budapest very differently. Subaru got schooled by Veyron on their first encounter, Isis got one shot by DeVille, Nanoha put up a nice fight but was ultimately defenseless in front of an unscatched Tohma and has to be saved by Subaru, Hayate got one shot by Curren, Vita and Erio got stomped while fighting two on one.

As for Agito they made a big deal of how she and Signum fight as one (even during the rematch) so any loss for Signum is a loss for Agito if she was involved.

I feel like I've said this about 5 times in the past month, but this may have been the best Nanoha thread we've had in years. They just keep getting better. Or maybe it's just my bias toward more Life TLs.

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We definitely remember their fight differently because I dont remember Subaru losing against Veyron at all. No, an antagonist putting up a fight against a protagonist is not a case of jobbing. Isis getting one shot is an interesting way to put it, as it makes it sound like she was BTFO straight up in one hit in a head to head fight, when in actuality DeVille got a lucky hit in from behind and she never fought him in the first place. Hell she wasn’t even knocked out by that blow. Same applies to Hayate getting backstabbed. It’s not jobbing.
>ultimately defenseless in front of an unscatched Tohma
Nice use of fancy wording to make the muddle the facts. Nanoha put up a much better fight than what you let on, even the Bible of the Silver Cross recognised her a credible threat. Subaru did jump in for the save yes, but that was for more thematic purposes as Subaru is more closely connected to Thoma than Nanoha is. Going to disagree on Agito since I don’t see her losing as a job at all.

Force autism did spring up at the end, but I suppose discussion is a good thing.

I think when it comes to this jobbing debate, anons have very different definitions on what counts as jobbing in the first place. If a baseline definition can’t be agreed upon then the argument goes nowhere.

I don't mind people arguing the merits of Force. It's an extremely important topic given that production has spent years shaping the franchise around not having to address it. By avoiding it at all costs, they're making it a very central focus for everyone else. So regardless of what anyone thinks about it, it's important.

>If a baseline definition can’t be agreed upon then the argument goes nowhere.
Agreed, I’ll just stop. It’s clear my definition of jobbing is far more strict than others, so the argument will end up talking in circles.
>production has spent years shaping the franchise around not having to address it.
I can only hope the next Lyrical event addresses it. Even if it’s an official cancellation to be replaced by I don’t know, Vivid StrikerS or something. That would be better than leaving the main timeline in limbo for over half a decade.

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Forgot to add to the post.

If you want to get to the specifics Nanoha got completely disarmed, the Fortress was destroyed as was her strike cannon, RH was useless in that situation and Tohma was in mint condition about to resume the assault on her. Nanoha was toast if it weren't for Subaru.

>If a baseline definition can’t be agreed upon then the argument goes nowhere
Agreed. Seems user and I cannot get to a common understanding of what jobbing is. The point is that most of the cast lost fights or where at clear disadvantage until the vaccine bullets were introduced thus allowing the heroes to nerf the Eclipse haxx.

ForceChads represent!

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The thing about getting upset about the protagonists being in a negative position but still pulling out some positives despite being able to say that they "lost" is that the start of A's did exactly the same thing but everyone loved A's in the end. Just it happened to a larger cast because that's where the series was at by the point of Force, and things were turning around just like A's.

>By avoiding it at all costs, they're making it a very central focus for everyone else
The subject of Force and it’s quality has been brought up quite a bit over the past year or so. I wonder if the same has happened in Japan. Reflection and Detonation did use Force equipment after all the subject must’ve come up.

>until the vaccine bullets were introduced thus allowing the heroes to nerf the Eclipse haxx.
Different user here but I’m pretty sure Signum pushed the nigger’s (can’t remember her name) shit in without Teana’s plot bullets

>Vivid StrikerS
Now that reminds me of when some anons threw around the idea of the Vivid plot crossing over into the Force story for some big climax. I wonder if that was why Vivid and Force were being published at the same time.

Good thread. Love this family.

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Manga was a mistake

Regardless of whether or not we autistically argue over Force, it’s better than dealing with the shitposter that hasn’t shown up in a while. Weird, but I hope it stays that way.

I wonder if Vivio ever gets bullied for being adopted.

With the friends Vivio keeps around that will probably lead to the bully becoming the bullied

>One of Vivio's mom is famous on multiple worlds, has several movies made about her.
>The other is possibly the fastest mage in history and uses rare lightning magic.

Who in their right mind would bully this kid?

Doesn't seem to be too spread of a knowledge. Rinne had no idea who Vivio's parents were.